From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Apr  1 06:05:08 2009
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 09:05:08 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] New PATH_SEP stuff makes Vimp2.0 unusable on my OS
 X machine
In-Reply-To: <20090401021831.GM27077@jg.home>
References: <49D2A3C1.3070904@tedpavlic.com> <20090401021831.GM27077@jg.home>
Message-ID: <49D36684.50402@tedpavlic.com>

> Use FF 3.1 (it's a requirement for 2.1, anyway). It's probably
> the solution to the other problem too, but I don't know why the
> other problem might occur.

No joy. With FF3.1b3:

=====
liberator: Loading script io.js: [Exception... "Component returned 
failure code: 0xc1f30001 (NS_ERROR_NOT_INITIALIZED) 
[nsILocalFile.append]"  nsresult: "0xc1f30001 
(NS_ERROR_NOT_INITIALIZED)"  location: "JS frame :: 
chrome://liberator/content/io.js :: anonymous :: line 1105"  data: no]
vimperator: TypeError:? IO.runtimePath is undefined::
fileName: "chrome://liberator/content/liberator.js"
lineNumber: 1248
message: "IO.runtimePath is undefined"
stack:  ([object Event])@chrome://liberator/content/liberator.js:1248

toString: function () error.toString()
vimperator:
vimperator: Loading module commands...
vimperator: Loading module options...
vimperator: Loading module mappings...
vimperator: Loading module buffer...
vimperator: Loading module events...
vimperator: Loading module commandline...
vimperator: Loading module statusline...
vimperator: Loading module editor...
vimperator: Loading module autocommands...
vimperator: Loading module io...
vimperator: Loading module completion...
vimperator: TypeError:? func is undefined::
fileName: "chrome://liberator/content/completion.js"
lineNumber: 1295
message: "func is undefined"
stack:  setFunctionCompleter([object Array],[object 
Array])@chrome://liberator/content/completion.js:1295
         ("completion")@chrome://liberator/content/io.js:389
 
("load_completion","completion")@chrome://liberator/content/liberator.js:659
 
loadModule("completion",Completion)@chrome://liberator/content/liberator.js:80
         ([object Event])@chrome://liberator/content/liberator.js:1269

toString: function () error.toString()
vimperator:
vimperator: Loading module search...
vimperator: Loading module bookmarks...
vimperator: Loading module history...
vimperator: Loading module tabs...
vimperator: Loading module marks...
vimperator: Loading module quickmarks...
vimperator: Loading module hints...
vimperator: loaded in 704 ms
=====

However, the JS error console is free of errors (though the first time I 
started FF3.1b3, it complained about a -foreground flag not being valid, 
but that didn't occur in the second run).

I do get this on the JS error console at the end after the "vimperator:" 
lines:
=====
SessionStore: The session file is invalid: TypeError: 
this._initialState.windows[0] is undefined
=====

I'm able to ":open" URLs, but the status bar is not rendered and my 
Vimperatorrc options are not being read.

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

   Please visit my ALS association page:
         http://web.alsa.org/goto/tedpavlic
   My family appreciates your support in the fight to defeat ALS.

From krasnal at 2-0.pl  Wed Apr  1 06:19:37 2009
From: krasnal at 2-0.pl (Andrzej Ostruszka)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:19:37 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 released
In-Reply-To: <49CEB27C.5070306@vimperator.org>
References: <49CEB27C.5070306@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <ab47ba170904010619p49ad345dq4ebb85f259c42f7f@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 01:27, Martin Stubenschrott
<stubenschrott at vimperator.org> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> finally we decided to release the 2.0 version of Vimperator
> which already found lots of new features and bug fixes.
[...]

Stupid question, do "casual users" are asked to follow vimperator.org
or just waiting for the plugin to notify about update is enough?

Best regards
Andrzej

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Apr  1 06:39:19 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:39:19 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Fwd: FAQ Bug
In-Reply-To: <b19a17c20904010540x3f0bafa2gc6a55049e2ba546d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b19a17c20904010540x3f0bafa2gc6a55049e2ba546d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904010639l4495a776y4086fcb54919d468@mail.gmail.com>

Forwarded to the mailing list, where such questions belong.

Your mapping does not work as there is no :autocmd to to remove the
pass through key again when switching to other tabs.

If multiple .* autocommands do not work, it's probably a bug (or is
that vim compatibility?)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Michael Jakl <jakl.michael at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:40 PM
Subject: FAQ Bug
To: maxauthority at vimperator.org


Hi,
you have a small bug in your FAQ entry concerning the autocmds:

:autocmd LocationChange .* :js modes.passAllKeys =
/mail\.google\.com/.test(buffer.URL)
:autocmd LocationChange .* :js modes.passAllKeys =
/www\.google\.com\/reader\/view/.test(buffer.URL)

This won't work because the last line overrides the first one correct
(works for me) would be:

:autocmd .* :js modes.passAllKeys=false
:autocmd LocationChange /mail\.google\.com/ :js modes.passAllKeys = true
:autocmd LocationChange /www\.google\.com\/reader\/view/ :js
modes.passAllKeys = true

I do have a question, though. Is it possible to remap the key for
leaving the Pass Through mode? Sometimes I'd like to use <Esc> without
leaving the p-t mode. Mapping it to F-something would be really great.

Cheers,
Michael

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Apr  1 06:44:05 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:44:05 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 released
In-Reply-To: <ab47ba170904010619p49ad345dq4ebb85f259c42f7f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49CEB27C.5070306@vimperator.org>
	<ab47ba170904010619p49ad345dq4ebb85f259c42f7f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904010644o5d725173o6ed9fc2eb0d532c4@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Andrzej Ostruszka <krasnal at 2-0.pl> wrote:
> Stupid question, do "casual users" are asked to follow vimperator.org
> or just waiting for the plugin to notify about update is enough?

downloading from vimperator.org is usually for early adopters as a
kind of "release candidate".
I submit the version at the same time to addons.mozilla.org, but they
usually take a few days
up to a few months for it to be passed. If we find really, really
really big problems, we will
probably release a 2.0.1 which will superseed 2.0 on AMo.

Once AMo accepts the 2.0 version, you will be auto-notified about the
update (which probably
will be 100% the same code people can download now from vimperator.org).

So it really depends how lazy one is if he likes waiting for auto
updates (which i expect
most people).

Hope that is enough information to base your decisions on :)

best regards,

Martin

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Apr  1 06:45:43 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:45:43 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] New PATH_SEP stuff makes Vimp2.0 unusable on my OS
	X machine
In-Reply-To: <49D36684.50402@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49D2A3C1.3070904@tedpavlic.com> <20090401021831.GM27077@jg.home>
	<49D36684.50402@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904010645q7f265a77x8f8a5580fbbdba87@mail.gmail.com>

That seems like a fucked up profile. Try to remove all
sessionstore.{js,bak} files from your profile.

I still don't know when that occurs, and even if it is our problem.
After removing those sessionstore
files, please also try again with FF3.0 and report back.

From jakl.michael at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 06:49:43 2009
From: jakl.michael at gmail.com (Michael Jakl)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:49:43 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] FAQ Bug
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904010639l4495a776y4086fcb54919d468@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b19a17c20904010540x3f0bafa2gc6a55049e2ba546d@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904010639l4495a776y4086fcb54919d468@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b19a17c20904010649s5b68627ao9e814877fc53945e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 15:39, Martin Stubenschrott
<maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
> Forwarded to the mailing list, where such questions belong.

Of course.

> Your mapping does not work as there is no :autocmd to to remove the
> pass through key again when switching to other tabs.

What about this line?
:autocmd .* :js modes.passAllKeys=false

> If multiple .* autocommands do not work, it's probably a bug (or is
> that vim compatibility?)

It did work, but only for the last autocmd. I imagined that vimperator
executes one autocmd after another, that would mean that the result of
the second autocmd .* would override the first (and I don't get
pass-through in GMail, only in Google Reader).

My "fix" was to disable passAllKeys on all sides and enable them on
certain sites (thus, it is important that ":autocmd .* :js
modes.passAllKeys=flase" is the first)

Anyway, it only works for me with my configuration, not with the one
given at the FAQ page.

Cheers,
Michael

From jakl.michael at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 06:59:25 2009
From: jakl.michael at gmail.com (Michael Jakl)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:59:25 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] FAQ Bug
In-Reply-To: <b19a17c20904010649s5b68627ao9e814877fc53945e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b19a17c20904010540x3f0bafa2gc6a55049e2ba546d@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904010639l4495a776y4086fcb54919d468@mail.gmail.com>
	<b19a17c20904010649s5b68627ao9e814877fc53945e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b19a17c20904010659t41366a4pb2ec3207817019cb@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 15:49, Michael Jakl <jakl.michael at gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyway, it only works for me with my configuration, not with the one
> given at the FAQ page.

Sille me, not on the FAQ page, on the Wiki:
http://vimperator.org/trac/wiki/Vimperator/Wiki

Cheers,
Michael

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Apr  1 07:37:41 2009
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 10:37:41 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] New PATH_SEP stuff makes Vimp2.0 unusable on my OS
 X machine
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904010645q7f265a77x8f8a5580fbbdba87@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49D2A3C1.3070904@tedpavlic.com> <20090401021831.GM27077@jg.home>
	<49D36684.50402@tedpavlic.com>
	<aaae92100904010645q7f265a77x8f8a5580fbbdba87@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49D37C35.5080405@tedpavlic.com>

> That seems like a fucked up profile. Try to remove all
> sessionstore.{js,bak} files from your profile.

I sent into that profile's directory and deleted the sessionstore.* 
files and restarted firefox under that profile. I received the same 
vimperator errors (minus the session complaint at the end).

(with 3.1; I haven't tested with 3.0 because I figured the same error 
with 3.1 would mean the same error with 3.0)

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

   Please visit my ALS association page:
         http://web.alsa.org/goto/tedpavlic
   My family appreciates your support in the fight to defeat ALS.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Apr  1 07:56:55 2009
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 10:56:55 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] New PATH_SEP stuff makes Vimp2.0 unusable on my OS
 X machine
In-Reply-To: <49D37C35.5080405@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49D2A3C1.3070904@tedpavlic.com> <20090401021831.GM27077@jg.home>
	<49D36684.50402@tedpavlic.com>
	<aaae92100904010645q7f265a77x8f8a5580fbbdba87@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D37C35.5080405@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49D380B7.3040406@tedpavlic.com>

I just tried...

*) Using ProfileManager to create a new clean profile

*) Installing Vimperator 2.0 from XPI off of the website -- it worked fine

*) Then I tried using the git repo, and it puked as usual

*) So I trashed the git repo and did a fresh git clone. Same problem.

*) So then I re-installed from XPI. Everything worked again.

Thoughts?

--Ted

On 4/1/09 10:37 AM, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>> That seems like a fucked up profile. Try to remove all
>> sessionstore.{js,bak} files from your profile.
>
> I sent into that profile's directory and deleted the sessionstore.*
> files and restarted firefox under that profile. I received the same
> vimperator errors (minus the session complaint at the end).
>
> (with 3.1; I haven't tested with 3.0 because I figured the same error
> with 3.1 would mean the same error with 3.0)
>

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

   Please visit my ALS association page:
         http://web.alsa.org/goto/tedpavlic
   My family appreciates your support in the fight to defeat ALS.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Apr  1 07:59:58 2009
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 10:59:58 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] New PATH_SEP stuff makes Vimp2.0 unusable on my OS
 X machine
In-Reply-To: <49D380B7.3040406@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49D2A3C1.3070904@tedpavlic.com> <20090401021831.GM27077@jg.home>
	<49D36684.50402@tedpavlic.com>
	<aaae92100904010645q7f265a77x8f8a5580fbbdba87@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D37C35.5080405@tedpavlic.com> <49D380B7.3040406@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49D3816E.8090402@tedpavlic.com>

> *) So then I re-installed from XPI. Everything worked again.

The first XPI that bombs is

http://download.vimperator.org/vimperator/nightly/vimperator_2.1a1pre_2009-03-29.xpi

Everything before that starts up fine.

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

   Please visit my ALS association page:
         http://web.alsa.org/goto/tedpavlic
   My family appreciates your support in the fight to defeat ALS.

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Apr  1 09:09:48 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:09:48 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] New PATH_SEP stuff makes Vimp2.0 unusable on my OS
	X machine
In-Reply-To: <49D3816E.8090402@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49D2A3C1.3070904@tedpavlic.com> <20090401021831.GM27077@jg.home>
	<49D36684.50402@tedpavlic.com>
	<aaae92100904010645q7f265a77x8f8a5580fbbdba87@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D37C35.5080405@tedpavlic.com> <49D380B7.3040406@tedpavlic.com>
	<49D3816E.8090402@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904010909h38fab4do8c6515bedabcc171@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the investigation, Ted.

Since that was the 2.1 branch which was merged, I am quite sure, Doug
knows what's the problem :)

PS: That's also a reason why I proposed Doug that checking for
config.defaultOptions should be optional,
as the fewer required items config has, the more rubst all liberator apps are.

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 09:12:08 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:12:08 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Fwd: FAQ Bug
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904010639l4495a776y4086fcb54919d468@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b19a17c20904010540x3f0bafa2gc6a55049e2ba546d@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904010639l4495a776y4086fcb54919d468@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090401161208.GN27077@jg.home>

On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 03:39:19PM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>Your mapping does not work as there is no :autocmd to to remove the
>pass through key again when switching to other tabs.

Not quite. It's that they step on eachother. The second 
autocommand will turn off passAllKeys from the first one on 
mail.google.com. I seem to recall mentioning that to the FAQ 
author on IRC, actually.

:autocmd LocationChange .* :js modes.passAllKeys = /mail\.google\.com|www\.google\.com\/reader\/view/.test(buffer.URL)

We really should support escaping new lines...

:autocmd LocationChange .* :js modes.passAllKeys = 
	\ /mail\.google\.com|www\.google\.com\/reader\/view/
	\ .test(buffer.URL)

How about:

js options.add(["rawsites"], "", "stringlist", "")
autocmd LocationChange .* :js modes.passAllKeys = options.get("rawsites").values.some(function(r) RegExp(r).test(buffer.URL))
se rawsites='mail\.google\.com,www\.google\.com/reader/view'

(assuming you have some sane quoting style enabled).

-- 
Kris Maglione

If the code and the comments disagree, then both are probably wrong.
	--attributed to Norm Schryer


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 09:14:02 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:14:02 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] New PATH_SEP stuff makes Vimp2.0 unusable on my	OS
	X machine
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904010909h38fab4do8c6515bedabcc171@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49D2A3C1.3070904@tedpavlic.com> <20090401021831.GM27077@jg.home>
	<49D36684.50402@tedpavlic.com>
	<aaae92100904010645q7f265a77x8f8a5580fbbdba87@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D37C35.5080405@tedpavlic.com> <49D380B7.3040406@tedpavlic.com>
	<49D3816E.8090402@tedpavlic.com>
	<aaae92100904010909h38fab4do8c6515bedabcc171@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090401161402.GO27077@jg.home>

On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 06:09:48PM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>PS: That's also a reason why I proposed Doug that checking for
>config.defaultOptions should be optional,
>as the fewer required items config has, the more rubst all liberator apps are.

I agree, but I think we should just add a config.__proto__.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Beauty is more important in computing than anywhere else in technology
because software is so complicated.  Beauty is the ultimate defence
against complexity.
	--David Gelernter


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 09:30:00 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:30:00 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [ANN] New Vimperator fork
Message-ID: <20090401163000.GP27077@jg.home>

Hi all,

I'm announcing my new Vimperator fork, Vimplosion 1.3. I've 
lately become increasingly agitated with certain aspects of Vimp 
development, and have sought to address them as such:

* Git as an VCS. Git is a new, unproven, difficult to understand 
   Version Control System. I've settled on the time honored, well 
   understood standard of CVS, by switching to Subversion.

* Substandard project hosting. I've decided to move to a 
   community hub, as opposed to private hosting. That means 
   Google Code, at this point.

* JavaScript. Need I say more? I know it's the language of 
   FireFox extension development, but it's rubbish. I'm actually 
   taking two steps to correct this. First, I've written a Scheme 
   to JavaScript compiler---in JavaScript. The Vimperator code 
   base will be gradually converted into pure scheme. The second 
   is that I've written an XPCOM component for the Lua 
   interperater, with which I'll experiment for now, perhaps 
   adopt in full later.

* Vim compatibility. Vim is rubbish. It's nice to preserve the 
   finger feel for avid Vim users, but we need to stop there. 
   Copying bugs is a capitol offence.

* Firefox. Vimplosion will run on XulRunner. We'll make no 
   attempt to support other Firefox extensions or UI features. 
   Extensions should be written as Vimplosion plugins, and follow 
   the Vimplosion UI model. If nothing else, this will obviate 
   some of the more innane feature requests and bug reports we 
   receive.

The fork's temporary URL:
http://tinyurl.com/7xet5

-- 
Kris Maglione

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not
sure about the universe.
	--Albert Einstein


From henri.ducrocq at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 12:50:28 2009
From: henri.ducrocq at gmail.com (Henri Ducrocq)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 20:50:28 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] [Vimplosion] [PATCH] Use WebKit instead of XulRunner
Message-ID: <391beaa80904011250l74d3c510xa291d69b783053c5@mail.gmail.com>

This patch allows Vimplosion to use WebKit instead of XulRunner.

Simply add this line to your vimplosionrc.scm:
    (set! *xulrunner-engine-path* "/usr/local/src/webkit-1.0b/") ;; the
trailing slash is important!

The only problem seems to be that some Firefox extensions somehow stopped
working after this change. This is probably a WebKit bug.


On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm announcing my new Vimperator fork, Vimplosion 1.3. I've lately become
> increasingly agitated with certain aspects of Vimp development, and have
> sought to address them as such:
>
> * Git as an VCS. Git is a new, unproven, difficult to understand  Version
> Control System. I've settled on the time honored, well  understood standard
> of CVS, by switching to Subversion.
>
> * Substandard project hosting. I've decided to move to a  community hub, as
> opposed to private hosting. That means  Google Code, at this point.
>
> * JavaScript. Need I say more? I know it's the language of  FireFox
> extension development, but it's rubbish. I'm actually  taking two steps to
> correct this. First, I've written a Scheme  to JavaScript compiler---in
> JavaScript. The Vimperator code  base will be gradually converted into pure
> scheme. The second  is that I've written an XPCOM component for the Lua
>  interperater, with which I'll experiment for now, perhaps  adopt in full
> later.
>
> * Vim compatibility. Vim is rubbish. It's nice to preserve the  finger feel
> for avid Vim users, but we need to stop there.  Copying bugs is a capitol
> offence.
>
> * Firefox. Vimplosion will run on XulRunner. We'll make no  attempt to
> support other Firefox extensions or UI features.  Extensions should be
> written as Vimplosion plugins, and follow  the Vimplosion UI model. If
> nothing else, this will obviate  some of the more innane feature requests
> and bug reports we  receive.
>
> The fork's temporary URL:
> http://tinyurl.com/7xet5
>
> --
> Kris Maglione
>
> Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not
> sure about the universe.
>        --Albert Einstein
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Wed Apr  1 17:12:10 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:12:10 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [ANN] New Vimperator fork
In-Reply-To: <20090401163000.GP27077@jg.home>
References: <20090401163000.GP27077@jg.home>
Message-ID: <49D402DA.50703@vimperator.org>

On 04/01/2009 06:30 PM, Kris Maglione wrote:

> * Git as an VCS. Git is a new, unproven, difficult to understand 
>    Version Control System. I've settled on the time honored, well 
>    understood standard of CVS, by switching to Subversion.

I start liking git, especially the tools are just great. git stash?
great idea. git blame? Fast and nice. etc.

> * Substandard project hosting. I've decided to move to a 
>    community hub, as opposed to private hosting. That means 
>    Google Code, at this point.

Trac sucks, we know that :) On the other hand. I think it looks
quite nice now (and yeah, I *am* proud of the new vimperator.org
intro page, although trac sucks again, and i don't seem to be able
to have a javascript/css mouseover for the <td>'s).

> * JavaScript. Need I say more? I know it's the language of 
>    FireFox extension development, but it's rubbish. I'm actually 
>    taking two steps to correct this. First, I've written a Scheme 
>    to JavaScript compiler---in JavaScript. The Vimperator code 
>    base will be gradually converted into pure scheme. The second 
>    is that I've written an XPCOM component for the Lua 
>    interperater, with which I'll experiment for now, perhaps 
>    adopt in full later.

Knowing you, that was the part when I really was sure, you meant
the fork seriously.

> * Vim compatibility. Vim is rubbish. It's nice to preserve the 
>    finger feel for avid Vim users, but we need to stop there. 
>    Copying bugs is a capitol offence.

I still think, this point is valid as e.g. I think supporting
~/.vimperator/plugins/ instead (or at least additionally) to
~/.vimperator/plugin/ would make more sense. On the other hand, I
think we probably would disagree when I would even think about
supporting XDG dirs (~/.config/ ~/.cache/) in the Linux vimperator.

> * Firefox. Vimplosion will run on XulRunner. We'll make no 
>    attempt to support other Firefox extensions or UI features. 
>    Extensions should be written as Vimplosion plugins, and follow 
>    the Vimplosion UI model. If nothing else, this will obviate 
>    some of the more innane feature requests and bug reports we 
>    receive.


Also a possible solution. I thought about that myself when conkeror
made the move to XulRunner, but given the fact that bundling/building/
distributing is much harder, and lack off addons.mozilla.org promotion
support would seriously hinder acceptance I think vimperator would
end up with conkeror's user share (which is hard to measure, but at
least google finds 369.000 docs about vimperator, where it just finds
49.000 about conkeror).

 
> The fork's temporary URL:
> http://tinyurl.com/7xet5


A perfect ending for a perfect post. I think I have never been fooled
for April that good, as I didn't realize it the whole 2-3 minutes reading
the mail before opening the link. And since i know you as usually being
honest about your opinions and not so much into joking, I would never
have expected such a great joke but was pleasently surprised. I think
it'll be very hard to top that next year, especially since i now might
think about the possibility to be fooled on April, 1st :)

Anyway, again congratulations for your post, and hope to also see more
of your commits :)

best regards,

Martin

From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Wed Apr  1 17:15:26 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:15:26 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [Vimplosion] [PATCH] Use WebKit instead of
	XulRunner
In-Reply-To: <391beaa80904011250l74d3c510xa291d69b783053c5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <391beaa80904011250l74d3c510xa291d69b783053c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49D4039E.8090709@vimperator.org>

On 04/01/2009 09:50 PM, Henri Ducrocq wrote:

> This patch allows Vimplosion to use WebKit instead of XulRunner.


Could you also port that patch from Vimplosion to Vimperator please?

A webkit based Vimp would probably be fine, although maybe with 
20-30 javascript heavy tabs i am not sure it would behave much
better than firefox, and now with my new 8 cores (with HT)/6gb
ram I think Firefox is actually quite snappy, haven't had felt
subjective laginess for a while now.

From henri.ducrocq at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 18:14:48 2009
From: henri.ducrocq at gmail.com (Henri Ducrocq)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 02:14:48 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] [Vimplosion] [PATCH] Use WebKit instead of
	XulRunner
In-Reply-To: <49D4039E.8090709@vimperator.org>
References: <391beaa80904011250l74d3c510xa291d69b783053c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D4039E.8090709@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <391beaa80904011814o15a936fbi2f215b834e13b20c@mail.gmail.com>

In truth I have no problems with Firefox performance, even though I only
have two cores on my laptop :(

Only when using completion (with complete=l) do I find Vimperator slightly
sluggish, in comparison to the display speed when typing in the normal FF
location bar.
However I suspect the FF code for displaying matches isn't pure
javascript...

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Martin Stubenschrott <
stubenschrott at vimperator.org> wrote:

> On 04/01/2009 09:50 PM, Henri Ducrocq wrote:
>
> > This patch allows Vimplosion to use WebKit instead of XulRunner.
>
>
> Could you also port that patch from Vimplosion to Vimperator please?
>
> A webkit based Vimp would probably be fine, although maybe with
> 20-30 javascript heavy tabs i am not sure it would behave much
> better than firefox, and now with my new 8 cores (with HT)/6gb
> ram I think Firefox is actually quite snappy, haven't had felt
> subjective laginess for a while now.
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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From ultrokevjr at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 19:10:18 2009
From: ultrokevjr at gmail.com (ultrokevjr)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:10:18 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] [Vimplosion] [PATCH] Use WebKit instead of
	XulRunner
In-Reply-To: <391beaa80904011814o15a936fbi2f215b834e13b20c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <391beaa80904011250l74d3c510xa291d69b783053c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D4039E.8090709@vimperator.org>
	<391beaa80904011814o15a936fbi2f215b834e13b20c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f0e729b0904011910h37f70da9tf120584151d171c4@mail.gmail.com>

It's will be more appreciated if vimperator can support seamonkey 2, and
it's also based on gecko 1.9 just like firefox3.

https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Gecko
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From lizhengs.mailinglists at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 01:22:43 2009
From: lizhengs.mailinglists at gmail.com (Zheng Li)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:22:43 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] How to call a function embedded in the address bar?
Message-ID: <49D475D3.5060007@gmail.com>

Hi, everyone,

I am a big fan of vimperator and like hiding the address bar forever.
Yet, other extensions such as Zotero place powerful click-on icons in
the address bar. Could someone tell me how to call the functions
associated with those icons? Thank you very much.

Yours,
Zheng
2009-4-2

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Apr  2 01:48:27 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:48:27 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] How to call a function embedded in the address bar?
In-Reply-To: <49D475D3.5060007@gmail.com>
References: <49D475D3.5060007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904020148q7745530sc1350169e146e5a4@mail.gmail.com>

You usually need some JavaScript knowledge and play with the DOM inspector.

Then you can call them with :javascript <foo> although the <foo> part
is not always
that easy for sombebody not knowing javascript.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Zheng Li
<lizhengs.mailinglists at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, everyone,
>
> I am a big fan of vimperator and like hiding the address bar forever.
> Yet, other extensions such as Zotero place powerful click-on icons in
> the address bar. Could someone tell me how to call the functions
> associated with those icons? Thank you very much.
>
> Yours,
> Zheng
> 2009-4-2
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Apr  2 01:53:21 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:53:21 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [Vimplosion] [PATCH] Use WebKit instead of
	XulRunner
In-Reply-To: <391beaa80904011814o15a936fbi2f215b834e13b20c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <391beaa80904011250l74d3c510xa291d69b783053c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D4039E.8090709@vimperator.org>
	<391beaa80904011814o15a936fbi2f215b834e13b20c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904020153o5d919791o150a0499c919f590@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/2 Henri Ducrocq <henri.ducrocq at gmail.com>:
> Only when using completion (with complete=l) do I find Vimperator slightly
> sluggish, in comparison to the display speed when typing in the normal FF
> location bar.
> However I suspect the FF code for displaying matches isn't pure
> javascript...

Yeah, complete=l performance was the main problem why we pushed the
release of 2.0 so far behind. But given the fact that it seemed unlikely to be
fixed anytime soon, I just had to release 2.0 at some time. Firefox 3.6pre
obviously seems to have some performance improvements in that regard,
but it still doesn't change the fact that the same completions in the address
bar is faster than with our :open prompt. Maybe I'll find some performance
improvement for that for Vimp 2.1, but the completion code is just a scary
beast which nobody seems to really want to touch.

As a workaround, you could try to minimize the number of days in your history
from 180 to let's say 30 or limit the max number of history entries with a
:set! switch.

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Apr  2 01:54:44 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:54:44 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [Vimplosion] [PATCH] Use WebKit instead of
	XulRunner
In-Reply-To: <3f0e729b0904011910h37f70da9tf120584151d171c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <391beaa80904011250l74d3c510xa291d69b783053c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D4039E.8090709@vimperator.org>
	<391beaa80904011814o15a936fbi2f215b834e13b20c@mail.gmail.com>
	<3f0e729b0904011910h37f70da9tf120584151d171c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904020154m1691c20u1a4ce24ebdbe6a5@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/2 ultrokevjr <ultrokevjr at gmail.com>:
> It's will be more appreciated if vimperator can support seamonkey 2, and
> it's also based on gecko 1.9 just like firefox3.
>
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Gecko

Probably wouldn't be that hard (not that i am doing the work, but a well written
patch would be accepted). On the other hand I don't see the real
advantage as the rendering core is the same, and vimperator does away most
of the GUI anyway, so why use a "Firefox with a slightly different GUI" aka
seamonkey?

From lizhengs.mailinglists at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 02:19:00 2009
From: lizhengs.mailinglists at gmail.com (Zheng Li)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 17:19:00 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] How to call a function embedded in the address bar?
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904020148q7745530sc1350169e146e5a4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49D475D3.5060007@gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904020148q7745530sc1350169e146e5a4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49D48304.4010109@gmail.com>

Hi, Martin Stubenschrott,

The addon page tells me the DOM inspector is not compatible with firefox
3.0 I am using.  Could you give me other advice? Thank you very much.

Zheng
2009-4-2
Martin Stubenschrott ??:
> You usually need some JavaScript knowledge and play with the DOM inspector.
>
> Then you can call them with :javascript <foo> although the <foo> part
> is not always
> that easy for sombebody not knowing javascript.
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Zheng Li
> <lizhengs.mailinglists at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Hi, everyone,
>>
>> I am a big fan of vimperator and like hiding the address bar forever.
>> Yet, other extensions such as Zotero place powerful click-on icons in
>> the address bar. Could someone tell me how to call the functions
>> associated with those icons? Thank you very much.
>>
>> Yours,
>> Zheng
>> 2009-4-2
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>   

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From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Apr  2 02:23:45 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:23:45 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] How to call a function embedded in the address bar?
In-Reply-To: <49D48304.4010109@gmail.com>
References: <49D475D3.5060007@gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904020148q7745530sc1350169e146e5a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D48304.4010109@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904020223l6bf7b7cfv4708d4884296d088@mail.gmail.com>

Ignore the version check, I am quite sure it will work with your FF
version as well.

Or read the source code from the other addons and extract the
javascript name which you have to call.
There is no way around of knowing enough javascript for that what you
want to do.

2009/4/2 Zheng Li <lizhengs.mailinglists at gmail.com>:
> Hi, Martin Stubenschrott,
>
> The addon page tells me the DOM inspector is not compatible with firefox 3.0
> I am using.? Could you give me other advice? Thank you very much.
>
> Zheng
> 2009-4-2
> Martin Stubenschrott ??:
>
> You usually need some JavaScript knowledge and play with the DOM inspector.
>
> Then you can call them with :javascript <foo> although the <foo> part
> is not always
> that easy for sombebody not knowing javascript.
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Zheng Li
> <lizhengs.mailinglists at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi, everyone,
>
> I am a big fan of vimperator and like hiding the address bar forever.
> Yet, other extensions such as Zotero place powerful click-on icons in
> the address bar. Could someone tell me how to call the functions
> associated with those icons? Thank you very much.
>
> Yours,
> Zheng
> 2009-4-2
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 02:26:16 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 05:26:16 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [Vimplosion] [PATCH] Use WebKit instead
	of	XulRunner
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904020153o5d919791o150a0499c919f590@mail.gmail.com>
References: <391beaa80904011250l74d3c510xa291d69b783053c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D4039E.8090709@vimperator.org>
	<391beaa80904011814o15a936fbi2f215b834e13b20c@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904020153o5d919791o150a0499c919f590@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090402092616.GA9048@jg.home>

On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 10:53:21AM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>Maybe I'll find some performance improvement for that for Vimp 
>2.1, but the completion code is  just a scary beast which 
>nobody seems to really want to touch.

I want to touch it. It's my favorite bit of code in all of 
Vimperator. My computer just happens to be useless for profiling 
Firefox at the moment, so I'm at an impasse.

>As a workaround, you could try to minimize the number of days in your history
>from 180 to let's say 30 or limit the max number of history entries with a
>:set! switch.

Don't think that will make a difference.

-- 
Kris Maglione

You can get into a habit of thought in which you enjoy making fun of
all those other people who don?t see things as clearly as you do.  We
have to guard carefully against it.
	--Carl Sagan


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 02:27:05 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 05:27:05 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [Vimplosion] [PATCH] Use WebKit instead
	of	XulRunner
In-Reply-To: <49D4039E.8090709@vimperator.org>
References: <391beaa80904011250l74d3c510xa291d69b783053c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D4039E.8090709@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <20090402092705.GB9048@jg.home>

On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 02:15:26AM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>A webkit based Vimp would probably be fine, although maybe with 
>20-30 javascript heavy tabs i am not sure it would behave much
>better than firefox, and now with my new 8 cores

Too bad Firefox is massively single-threaded and only actually 
runs on one of those cores.

-- 
Kris Maglione

I cannot agree with those who rank modesty among the virtues.  To the
logician all things should be seen exactly as they are, and to
underestimate one's self is as much a departure from truth as to
exaggerate one's own powers.
	--"Sherlock Holmes"


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 02:27:46 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 05:27:46 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [Vimplosion] [PATCH] Use WebKit instead
	of	XulRunner
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904020154m1691c20u1a4ce24ebdbe6a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <391beaa80904011250l74d3c510xa291d69b783053c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D4039E.8090709@vimperator.org>
	<391beaa80904011814o15a936fbi2f215b834e13b20c@mail.gmail.com>
	<3f0e729b0904011910h37f70da9tf120584151d171c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904020154m1691c20u1a4ce24ebdbe6a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090402092746.GC9048@jg.home>

On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 10:54:44AM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>Probably wouldn't be that hard (not that i am doing the work, but a well written
>patch would be accepted). On the other hand I don't see the real
>advantage as the rendering core is the same, and vimperator does away most
>of the GUI anyway, so why use a "Firefox with a slightly different GUI" aka
>seamonkey?

Because it has mailnews.

-- 
Kris Maglione

A programmer is a person who passes as an exacting expert on the basis
of being able to turn out, after innumerable punching, an infinite
series of incomprehensive answers calculated with micrometric
precisions from vague assumptions based on debatable figures taken
from inconclusive documents and carried out on instruments of
problematical accuracy by persons of dubious reliability and
questionable mentality for the avowed purpose of annoying and
confounding a hopelessly defenseless department that was unfortunate
enough to ask for the information in the first place.
	--IEEE Grid newsmagazine


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 02:32:39 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 05:32:39 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [ANN] New Vimperator fork
In-Reply-To: <49D402DA.50703@vimperator.org>
References: <20090401163000.GP27077@jg.home> <49D402DA.50703@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <20090402093239.GD9048@jg.home>

On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 02:12:10AM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>Trac sucks, we know that :) On the other hand. I think it looks
>quite nice now (and yeah, I *am* proud of the new vimperator.org
>intro page, although trac sucks again, and i don't seem to be able
>to have a javascript/css mouseover for the <td>'s).

Yep, *looks* nice, but still sucks. I wasn't being serious, 
though. Oh, but the new start page is scary.

>Knowing you, that was the part when I really was sure, you meant
>the fork seriously.

Yeah, I've seriously considered doing so with parenscript.

>I still think, this point is valid as e.g. I think supporting
>~/.vimperator/plugins/ instead (or at least additionally) to
>~/.vimperator/plugin/ would make more sense. On the other hand, I
>think we probably would disagree when I would even think about
>supporting XDG dirs (~/.config/ ~/.cache/) in the Linux vimperator.

I'd probably go a lot farther than that...

>Also a possible solution. I thought about that myself when conkeror
>made the move to XulRunner, but given the fact that bundling/building/
>distributing is much harder, and lack off addons.mozilla.org promotion
>support would seriously hinder acceptance I think vimperator would
>end up with conkeror's user share (which is hard to measure, but at
>least google finds 369.000 docs about vimperator, where it just finds
>49.000 about conkeror).

Honestly, I don't think switching to XulRunner is worth it. 
You're right, it'd alienate users (but keep them quiet). Plus, 
there are just some FF extensions worth having, i.e., Firebug.

>Anyway, again congratulations for your post, and hope to also see more
>of your commits :)

I try on those rare occasions when I have a spare moment to do 
all of those nice but unnecessary little things, like breathing.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Question with boldness even the existence of God; because if there be
one, He must approve the homage of Reason rather than that of
blindfolded Fear.
	--Thomas Jefferson


From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Apr  2 02:45:38 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:45:38 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [Vimplosion] [PATCH] Use WebKit instead of
	XulRunner
In-Reply-To: <20090402092705.GB9048@jg.home>
References: <391beaa80904011250l74d3c510xa291d69b783053c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D4039E.8090709@vimperator.org> <20090402092705.GB9048@jg.home>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904020245j1b4b9109j5174f9580011d8d4@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:
> Too bad Firefox is massively single-threaded and only actually runs on one
> of those cores.

But if a java or flash applet starts using 100% cpu again, i still
have a few cores left so not noticing
a slow firefox apart from the fan spinning faster.

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Apr  2 02:46:26 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:46:26 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [Vimplosion] [PATCH] Use WebKit instead of
	XulRunner
In-Reply-To: <20090402092746.GC9048@jg.home>
References: <391beaa80904011250l74d3c510xa291d69b783053c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D4039E.8090709@vimperator.org>
	<391beaa80904011814o15a936fbi2f215b834e13b20c@mail.gmail.com>
	<3f0e729b0904011910h37f70da9tf120584151d171c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904020154m1691c20u1a4ce24ebdbe6a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090402092746.GC9048@jg.home>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904020246m3b29bc32teece8d843ba248eb@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:
> Because it has mailnews.

People liking mailnews and vimperator should try muttator anyway,
which has better
keybindings than a vimperator on seamonkey.

From lizhengs.mailinglists at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 03:00:20 2009
From: lizhengs.mailinglists at gmail.com (Zheng Li)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:00:20 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] How to call a function embedded in the address bar?
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904020223l6bf7b7cfv4708d4884296d088@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49D475D3.5060007@gmail.com>	<aaae92100904020148q7745530sc1350169e146e5a4@mail.gmail.com>	<49D48304.4010109@gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904020223l6bf7b7cfv4708d4884296d088@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49D48CB4.6030606@gmail.com>

Hi, Martin Stubenschrott,

Thank you very much for your advice.  DOM inspector is cool. I have
located the function I want. :-)    

Zheng
2009-4-2

Martin Stubenschrott ??:
> Ignore the version check, I am quite sure it will work with your FF
> version as well.
>
> Or read the source code from the other addons and extract the
> javascript name which you have to call.
> There is no way around of knowing enough javascript for that what you
> want to do.
>
> 2009/4/2 Zheng Li <lizhengs.mailinglists at gmail.com>:
>   
>> Hi, Martin Stubenschrott,
>>
>> The addon page tells me the DOM inspector is not compatible with firefox 3.0
>> I am using.  Could you give me other advice? Thank you very much.
>>
>> Zheng
>> 2009-4-2
>> Martin Stubenschrott ??:
>>
>> You usually need some JavaScript knowledge and play with the DOM inspector.
>>
>> Then you can call them with :javascript <foo> although the <foo> part
>> is not always
>> that easy for sombebody not knowing javascript.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Zheng Li
>> <lizhengs.mailinglists at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi, everyone,
>>
>> I am a big fan of vimperator and like hiding the address bar forever.
>> Yet, other extensions such as Zotero place powerful click-on icons in
>> the address bar. Could someone tell me how to call the functions
>> associated with those icons? Thank you very much.
>>
>> Yours,
>> Zheng
>> 2009-4-2
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>>
>>
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>>
>>
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From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Apr  2 07:03:21 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 16:03:21 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [ANN] New Vimperator fork
In-Reply-To: <20090402093239.GD9048@jg.home>
References: <20090401163000.GP27077@jg.home> <49D402DA.50703@vimperator.org>
	<20090402093239.GD9048@jg.home>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904020703vf84fb55i7039658537c384bb@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, but the new start page is scary.

Something in particular you dislike? Or is it just too
colorful/distracting/large? Or don't think
a girl does fit well as the picture for a software project?

What would others improve in http://vimperator.org or is the new
design acceptable for
others or do some even like it?

--
Martin

PS: IE8 is finally the first IE which shows that page correctly
(opera, firefox3, chrome, etc.
all work well).

From ginkgo_w at yahoo.com.cn  Thu Apr  2 07:05:43 2009
From: ginkgo_w at yahoo.com.cn (ginkgo_w)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:05:43 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Can vimperator set the default firefox startup page
	with blank??
In-Reply-To: <49D48CB4.6030606@gmail.com>
References: <49D475D3.5060007@gmail.com>	<aaae92100904020148q7745530sc1350169e146e5a4@mail.gmail.com>	<49D48304.4010109@gmail.com>	<aaae92100904020223l6bf7b7cfv4708d4884296d088@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D48CB4.6030606@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49D4C637.2070604@yahoo.com.cn>

Hello everyone,
  I used to set the firefox startup page the blank page. From the edit
-> prefence -> main. But when I use the vimperator it auto set the open
the last open pages. Even I change the option, when vimperator restart.
It  set to the last pages auto.
  Is there some way can set this from the vimperator config file.

regard
ginkgo


From nickp at developernotes.com  Thu Apr  2 07:34:17 2009
From: nickp at developernotes.com (Nick Parker)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:34:17 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Can vimperator set the default firefox startup
	page with blank??
In-Reply-To: <49D4C637.2070604@yahoo.com.cn>
References: <49D475D3.5060007@gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904020148q7745530sc1350169e146e5a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D48304.4010109@gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904020223l6bf7b7cfv4708d4884296d088@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D48CB4.6030606@gmail.com> <49D4C637.2070604@yahoo.com.cn>
Message-ID: <cf06edfd0904020734k7a78133eo3c49eff983f7a5fc@mail.gmail.com>

ginkgo,

Add the following to your _vimperatorrc file:

:set! browser.startup.page=1

Nick Parker
www.developernotes.com


On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:05 AM, ginkgo_w <ginkgo_w at yahoo.com.cn> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>  I used to set the firefox startup page the blank page. From the edit
> -> prefence -> main. But when I use the vimperator it auto set the open
> the last open pages. Even I change the option, when vimperator restart.
> It  set to the last pages auto.
>  Is there some way can set this from the vimperator config file.
>
> regard
> ginkgo
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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From jonathan at greenbriardrive.com  Thu Apr  2 07:53:32 2009
From: jonathan at greenbriardrive.com (Jonathan Wilner)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:53:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Vimperator] [ANN] New Vimperator fork
References: <20090401163000.GP27077@jg.home> <49D402DA.50703@vimperator.org>
	<20090402093239.GD9048@jg.home>
	<aaae92100904020703vf84fb55i7039658537c384bb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20090402T144421-156@post.gmane.org>


Martin Stubenschrott <maxauthority at ...> writes:

> 
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at ...> wrote:
> > Oh, but the new start page is scary.
> 
> Something in particular you dislike? Or is it just too
> colorful/distracting/large? Or don't think
> a girl does fit well as the picture for a software project?
> 
> What would others improve in http://vimperator.org or is the new
> design acceptable for
> others or do some even like it?

While it definitely looks very slick, the girl doesn't help describe Vimperator
to the visitor. Isn't the goal of the site is to attract users and developers?
You are losing a lot of space that could help sell the message with a screenshot
(like before) or a clear call to action like download or help improve the product

(Unless this is an April Fool's Joke, then ignore. :-) )






> --
> Martin
> 
> PS: IE8 is finally the first IE which shows that page correctly
> (opera, firefox3, chrome, etc.
> all work well).
> 





From ginkgo_w at yahoo.com.cn  Thu Apr  2 08:11:09 2009
From: ginkgo_w at yahoo.com.cn (ginkgo_w)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:11:09 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Can vimperator set the default firefox
 startup	page with blank??
In-Reply-To: <cf06edfd0904020734k7a78133eo3c49eff983f7a5fc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49D475D3.5060007@gmail.com>	<aaae92100904020148q7745530sc1350169e146e5a4@mail.gmail.com>	<49D48304.4010109@gmail.com>	<aaae92100904020223l6bf7b7cfv4708d4884296d088@mail.gmail.com>	<49D48CB4.6030606@gmail.com>
	<49D4C637.2070604@yahoo.com.cn>
	<cf06edfd0904020734k7a78133eo3c49eff983f7a5fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49D4D58D.40508@yahoo.com.cn>

Thank you Nick, for your quick reply.
as I try the number
1 is home page
0 is blank page

I like to use 0.


Nick Parker wrote:
> ginkgo,
> 
> Add the following to your _vimperatorrc file:
> 
> :set! browser.startup.page=1
> 
> Nick Parker
> www.developernotes.com <http://www.developernotes.com>
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:05 AM, ginkgo_w <ginkgo_w at yahoo.com.cn
> <mailto:ginkgo_w at yahoo.com.cn>> wrote:
> 
>     Hello everyone,
>      I used to set the firefox startup page the blank page. From the edit
>     -> prefence -> main. But when I use the vimperator it auto set the open
>     the last open pages. Even I change the option, when vimperator restart.
>     It  set to the last pages auto.
>      Is there some way can set this from the vimperator config file.
> 
>     regard
>     ginkgo
> 
>     _______________________________________________
>     Vimperator mailing list
>     Vimperator at mozdev.org <mailto:Vimperator at mozdev.org>
>     https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator



From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Apr  2 08:29:00 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:29:00 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [ANN] New Vimperator fork
In-Reply-To: <loom.20090402T144421-156@post.gmane.org>
References: <20090401163000.GP27077@jg.home> <49D402DA.50703@vimperator.org>
	<20090402093239.GD9048@jg.home>
	<aaae92100904020703vf84fb55i7039658537c384bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20090402T144421-156@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904020829t2f61595ftb0d05372ed651d92@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Jonathan Wilner
<jonathan at greenbriardrive.com> wrote:
> While it definitely looks very slick, the girl doesn't help describe Vimperator
> to the visitor. Isn't the goal of the site is to attract users and developers?

The goal of the page is to show people which "products" we have. And the girl
is due to Doug who said he'd be running away if the page looked too "corporate",
so I chose that sexy girl as our "banner" which one wouldn't probably see on
www.microsoft.com or www.adobe.com. And since vimperator labs should be a
fun product, why not go with some sexy woman? :)

> You are losing a lot of space that could help sell the message with a screenshot
> (like before)

There was never a screenshot on vimperator.org, just on
vimperator.org/trac/Vimperator

A vimperator screenshot also would not fit there, as the intro page is
about vimperator
labs which provides more than just vimperator. So one would need to produce an
artificial picture with just the concepts of liberator apps.

>  or a clear call to action like download or help improve the product

Having 3 products now, it wouldn't make sense to have 3 download buttons. And
there is a call to action below that green box.

> (Unless this is an April Fool's Joke, then ignore. :-) )

Nope, no joke here - Kris took this opportunity for him.

If somebody wants to provide other ideas for the intro page, feel free
to play around
in the wiki sandbox and tell me about it.

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Apr  2 08:30:15 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:30:15 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Can vimperator set the default firefox startup
	page with blank??
In-Reply-To: <49D4D58D.40508@yahoo.com.cn>
References: <49D475D3.5060007@gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904020148q7745530sc1350169e146e5a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D48304.4010109@gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904020223l6bf7b7cfv4708d4884296d088@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D48CB4.6030606@gmail.com> <49D4C637.2070604@yahoo.com.cn>
	<cf06edfd0904020734k7a78133eo3c49eff983f7a5fc@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D4D58D.40508@yahoo.com.cn>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904020830h4fb422aak53d509c76cdc3112@mail.gmail.com>

Or use ZQ to quit, not saving the session.
ZZ saves the session (as does the X button in the title bar).

From henri.ducrocq at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 08:48:00 2009
From: henri.ducrocq at gmail.com (Henri Ducrocq)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 16:48:00 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] [ANN] New Vimperator fork
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904020829t2f61595ftb0d05372ed651d92@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090401163000.GP27077@jg.home> <49D402DA.50703@vimperator.org>
	<20090402093239.GD9048@jg.home>
	<aaae92100904020703vf84fb55i7039658537c384bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20090402T144421-156@post.gmane.org>
	<aaae92100904020829t2f61595ftb0d05372ed651d92@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <391beaa80904020848x6f7fc51bk5708ee650bdf5eb4@mail.gmail.com>

Martin you should believe more in yourself, the new page is great! :)

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Martin Stubenschrott <
maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Jonathan Wilner
> <jonathan at greenbriardrive.com> wrote:
> > While it definitely looks very slick, the girl doesn't help describe
> Vimperator
> > to the visitor. Isn't the goal of the site is to attract users and
> developers?
>
> The goal of the page is to show people which "products" we have. And the
> girl
> is due to Doug who said he'd be running away if the page looked too
> "corporate",
> so I chose that sexy girl as our "banner" which one wouldn't probably see
> on
> www.microsoft.com or www.adobe.com. And since vimperator labs should be a
> fun product, why not go with some sexy woman? :)
>
> > You are losing a lot of space that could help sell the message with a
> screenshot
> > (like before)
>
> There was never a screenshot on vimperator.org, just on
> vimperator.org/trac/Vimperator
>
> A vimperator screenshot also would not fit there, as the intro page is
> about vimperator
> labs which provides more than just vimperator. So one would need to produce
> an
> artificial picture with just the concepts of liberator apps.
>
> >  or a clear call to action like download or help improve the product
>
> Having 3 products now, it wouldn't make sense to have 3 download buttons.
> And
> there is a call to action below that green box.
>
> > (Unless this is an April Fool's Joke, then ignore. :-) )
>
> Nope, no joke here - Kris took this opportunity for him.
>
> If somebody wants to provide other ideas for the intro page, feel free
> to play around
> in the wiki sandbox and tell me about it.
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 09:40:57 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:40:57 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [ANN] New Vimperator fork
In-Reply-To: <loom.20090402T144421-156@post.gmane.org>
References: <20090401163000.GP27077@jg.home> <49D402DA.50703@vimperator.org>
	<20090402093239.GD9048@jg.home>
	<aaae92100904020703vf84fb55i7039658537c384bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20090402T144421-156@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20090402164057.GE9048@jg.home>

On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 02:53:32PM +0000, Jonathan Wilner wrote:
>While it definitely looks very slick, the girl doesn't help 
>describe Vimperator to the visitor. Isn't the goal of the site 
>is to attract users and developers?  You are losing a lot of 
>space that could help sell the message with a screenshot (like 
>before) or a clear call to action like download or help improve 
>the product 

Yeah, that's pretty much it. It looks nice, but it just doesn't 
seem to fit the liberator theme at all. When I first saw it, I 
wondered whether I was at the wrong wite. Plus, I feel like I've 
seen it somewhere before (iPod commercial), which kind of 
dampens our brand appeal.

-- 
Kris Maglione

If we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as lines
produced but as lines spent.
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 09:40:57 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:40:57 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [ANN] New Vimperator fork
In-Reply-To: <loom.20090402T144421-156@post.gmane.org>
References: <20090401163000.GP27077@jg.home> <49D402DA.50703@vimperator.org>
	<20090402093239.GD9048@jg.home>
	<aaae92100904020703vf84fb55i7039658537c384bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20090402T144421-156@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20090402164057.GE9048@jg.home>

On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 02:53:32PM +0000, Jonathan Wilner wrote:
>While it definitely looks very slick, the girl doesn't help 
>describe Vimperator to the visitor. Isn't the goal of the site 
>is to attract users and developers?  You are losing a lot of 
>space that could help sell the message with a screenshot (like 
>before) or a clear call to action like download or help improve 
>the product 

Yeah, that's pretty much it. It looks nice, but it just doesn't 
seem to fit the liberator theme at all. When I first saw it, I 
wondered whether I was at the wrong wite. Plus, I feel like I've 
seen it somewhere before (iPod commercial), which kind of 
dampens our brand appeal.

-- 
Kris Maglione

If we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as lines
produced but as lines spent.
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


From Daniel.Trstenjak at online.de  Thu Apr  2 11:38:24 2009
From: Daniel.Trstenjak at online.de (Daniel Trstenjak)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 20:38:24 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [ANN] New Vimperator fork
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904020829t2f61595ftb0d05372ed651d92@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090401163000.GP27077@jg.home> <49D402DA.50703@vimperator.org>
	<20090402093239.GD9048@jg.home>
	<aaae92100904020703vf84fb55i7039658537c384bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20090402T144421-156@post.gmane.org>
	<aaae92100904020829t2f61595ftb0d05372ed651d92@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090402183824.GB5976@laptop>


Hi Martin,

> And since vimperator labs should be a fun product, why not go with some sexy woman? :)

I've absolutely nothing against sexy women, but using a woman as
decoration this way is typical for some kind of man. And I don't want to
be accounted as such a man. 

Martin, I don't think that you're this kind of guy, but that's my association
seeing this picture.


Greetings,
Daniel

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Apr  2 12:04:27 2009
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:04:27 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] New PATH_SEP stuff makes Vimp2.0 unusable on my OS
 X machine
In-Reply-To: <20090401161402.GO27077@jg.home>
References: <49D2A3C1.3070904@tedpavlic.com> <20090401021831.GM27077@jg.home>
	<49D36684.50402@tedpavlic.com>
	<aaae92100904010645q7f265a77x8f8a5580fbbdba87@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D37C35.5080405@tedpavlic.com> <49D380B7.3040406@tedpavlic.com>
	<49D3816E.8090402@tedpavlic.com>
	<aaae92100904010909h38fab4do8c6515bedabcc171@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090401161402.GO27077@jg.home>
Message-ID: <49D50C3B.8000009@tedpavlic.com>

>> PS: That's also a reason why I proposed Doug that checking for
>> config.defaultOptions should be optional,
>> as the fewer required items config has, the more rubst all liberator apps are.
>
> I agree, but I think we should just add a config.__proto__.

So a fix for this problem will be commit'd sometime in the future, right?

Is there something I can do to prevent it from occurring on my system?

Thanks --
Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

   Please visit my ALS association page:
         http://web.alsa.org/goto/tedpavlic
   My family appreciates your support in the fight to defeat ALS.

From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Thu Apr  2 12:16:20 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:16:20 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] New PATH_SEP stuff makes Vimp2.0 unusable on my OS
 X machine
In-Reply-To: <49D50C3B.8000009@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49D2A3C1.3070904@tedpavlic.com>
	<20090401021831.GM27077@jg.home>	<49D36684.50402@tedpavlic.com>	<aaae92100904010645q7f265a77x8f8a5580fbbdba87@mail.gmail.com>	<49D37C35.5080405@tedpavlic.com>
	<49D380B7.3040406@tedpavlic.com>	<49D3816E.8090402@tedpavlic.com>	<aaae92100904010909h38fab4do8c6515bedabcc171@mail.gmail.com>	<20090401161402.GO27077@jg.home>
	<49D50C3B.8000009@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49D50F04.4000607@vimperator.org>

On 04/02/2009 09:04 PM, Ted Pavlic wrote:

>>> PS: That's also a reason why I proposed Doug that checking for
>>> config.defaultOptions should be optional,
>>> as the fewer required items config has, the more rubst all liberator apps are.
>>
>> I agree, but I think we should just add a config.__proto__.
> 
> So a fix for this problem will be commit'd sometime in the future, right?
> 
> Is there something I can do to prevent it from occurring on my system?

The config change obviously did not have something to do with your problem.

According to durka42 from IRC, 

[20:37:19]      durka42 | Error: Component returned failure code: 0xc1f30001 (NS_ERROR_NOT_INITIALIZED)
                          [nsILocalFile.path]
[20:37:19]      durka42 | Source file: chrome://liberator/content/io.js
[20:37:19]      durka42 | Line: 1106

is the problem, and yeah, who added that complex code anyway?
Isn't just setting the separator to / or \ depending on has("win32")
good enough?

--
Martin

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Apr  2 12:37:32 2009
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:37:32 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] New PATH_SEP stuff makes Vimp2.0 unusable on my OS
 X machine
In-Reply-To: <49D50F04.4000607@vimperator.org>
References: <49D2A3C1.3070904@tedpavlic.com>
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> According to durka42 from IRC,
>
> [20:37:19]      durka42 | Error: Component returned failure code: 0xc1f30001 (NS_ERROR_NOT_INITIALIZED)
>                            [nsILocalFile.path]
> [20:37:19]      durka42 | Source file: chrome://liberator/content/io.js
> [20:37:19]      durka42 | Line: 1106
>
> is the problem, and yeah, who added that complex code anyway?
> Isn't just setting the separator to / or \ depending on has("win32")
> good enough?

That's what I was saying when I started this thread. The new PATH_SEP stuff:

=====
commit 228198545aea0119bd4829f221d594f87532af6a
Author: Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com>
Date:   Wed Dec 24 13:22:54 2008 -0500

      Cleanup io.js with relation to path separators
=====

seems to be breaking things (creating "foo" and testing the result and 
all that mess). It would be easy to remove it, but the commit message 
says it's a "Cleanup"... so I figured it was... um... better. <?>

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

   Please visit my ALS association page:
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From eyolf at oestrem.com  Thu Apr  2 13:02:31 2009
From: eyolf at oestrem.com (Eyolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8strem?=)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 22:02:31 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [ANN] New Vimperator fork
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904020703vf84fb55i7039658537c384bb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090401163000.GP27077@jg.home> <49D402DA.50703@vimperator.org>
	<20090402093239.GD9048@jg.home>
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Message-ID: <20090402200231.GA19677@eyo>

On 02.04.2009 (16:03), Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Oh, but the new start page is scary.
> 
> Something in particular you dislike? Or is it just too
> colorful/distracting/large? Or don't think
> a girl does fit well as the picture for a software project?
> 
> What would others improve in http://vimperator.org or is the new
> design acceptable for
> others or do some even like it?

Since you ask, I don't mind the chick so much as the background (although
it does seem like an unnecessary chauvinist element, as others have also
mentioned).  The green doesn't fit well in with the orange/gray, and the
full red/green/blue around the boxes bring in yet another colour profile.

But most of all, I'd get rid of that liquid-war-like thing in the
background -- it's probably the least vim-like thing I've ever seen :)

Eyolf

-- 
There exists no separation between gods and men:
one blends softly casual into the other.

  -- Proverbs of Muad'dib

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 13:18:10 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 16:18:10 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] New PATH_SEP stuff makes Vimp2.0 unusable on my	OS
	X machine
In-Reply-To: <49D513FC.4010303@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49D36684.50402@tedpavlic.com>
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On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 03:37:32PM -0400, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> seems to be breaking things (creating "foo" and testing the result and  
> all that mess). It would be easy to remove it, but the commit message  
> says it's a "Cleanup"... so I figured it was... um... better. <?>

It was. Look at the diff. The previous code was a mess, as I 
recall. It had checks for WINDOWS everywhere. And some things 
had to change, because we needed path separators for storage.jsm 
before the io module was initialized. As for just checking 
has("win32"), yes, that's fine, except that nsILocalFile already 
knows which path separators to use on whatever systems it runs 
on, so it just seemed logical to try to use them. I don't really 
forsee Vimperator running on any non-win32 systems that don't 
use / as a path separator, but it just seemed like the Right 
Way. I'm not sure why that code doesn't work on OS X. It works 
fine on other Unices and on Wine, of not Windows.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Fast, fat computers breed slow, lazy programmers.
	--Robert Hummel


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 13:19:30 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 16:19:30 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [ANN] New Vimperator fork
In-Reply-To: <20090402200231.GA19677@eyo>
References: <20090401163000.GP27077@jg.home> <49D402DA.50703@vimperator.org>
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On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 10:02:31PM +0200, Eyolf ?strem wrote:
>But most of all, I'd get rid of that liquid-war-like thing in the
>background -- it's probably the least vim-like thing I've ever seen :)

Seconded. It's very un-Vim.

-- 
Kris Maglione

You needed a cool name to put on a T-shirt, and you needed a T-shirt
to give to people.  It was part of getting people excited enough to
work 70 hours a week.
	--Erich Ringewald of Apple


From chousuke at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 14:21:40 2009
From: chousuke at gmail.com (Jarkko Oranen)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 00:21:40 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] New PATH_SEP stuff makes Vimp2.0 unusable on my	OS
	X machine
In-Reply-To: <20090402201810.GF9048@jg.home>
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On 2 Apr 2009, at 23:18, Kris Maglione wrote:
<snip>
> use on whatever systems it runs on, so it just seemed logical to try  
> to use them. I don't really forsee Vimperator running on any non- 
> win32 systems that don't use / as a path separator, but it just  
> seemed like the Right Way. I'm not sure why that code doesn't work  
> on OS X. It works fine on other Unices and on Wine, of not Windows.


Based on a bit of experimentation, it seems the file object isn't  
autoinitialised on OS X to anything. If I call file.initWithPath("/")  
it starts working, but... That kind of defeats the purpose of the code.

I replaced the path detection code with a simple IO.PATH_SEP =  
WINDOWS? "\\" : "/"; and now Firefox starts up just fine without  
warnings.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Apr  2 14:26:36 2009
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 17:26:36 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] New PATH_SEP stuff makes Vimp2.0 unusable on my OS
 X machine
In-Reply-To: <20090402201810.GF9048@jg.home>
References: <49D36684.50402@tedpavlic.com>
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> Way. I'm not sure why that code doesn't work on OS X. It works
> fine on other Unices and on Wine, of not Windows.

Are you sure it always will?

I get the impression from MDC:

https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Code_snippets/File_I%2F%2FO

That files need to be initialized (e.g., with "initWithPath" or 
"initWithFile") before it can be appended. In fact, doing...

:js yourfile = services.create("file");
:js yourfile.append("foo");

throws the error on OS X. However,

:js myfile = services.create("file");
:js myfile.initWithPath("/");
:js myfile.append("foo");

works fine.

I'm not sure this is a bug in OS X; maybe it's a bug in Linux and 
Windows. <?>

(also, I notice that that code snippets page gives the impression that 
it's legit for file.path to return "C:\..." rather than "\..."; that 
would be bad for the present implementation)

Isn't there a way to use an existing nsILocalFile? Are there other files 
that definitely must be open that could be tested?

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

   Please visit my ALS association page:
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From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Apr  2 14:31:52 2009
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 17:31:52 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] New PATH_SEP stuff makes Vimp2.0 unusable on my OS
 X machine
In-Reply-To: <49D52D8C.1060800@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49D36684.50402@tedpavlic.com>
	<aaae92100904010645q7f265a77x8f8a5580fbbdba87@mail.gmail.com>
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> :js myfile.initWithPath("/");

I think Firefox will throw an exception if you use the wrong path separator.

Couldn't we just initWithPath("/") and catch an exception and use a 
different path separator otherwise?

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

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From chousuke at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 14:32:45 2009
From: chousuke at gmail.com (Jarkko Oranen)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 00:32:45 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] New PATH_SEP stuff makes Vimp2.0 unusable on my OS
	X machine
In-Reply-To: <49D52D8C.1060800@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49D36684.50402@tedpavlic.com>
	<aaae92100904010645q7f265a77x8f8a5580fbbdba87@mail.gmail.com>
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On 3 Apr 2009, at 00:26, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>
> Isn't there a way to use an existing nsILocalFile? Are there other  
> files that definitely must be open that could be tested?

Looks like there is:  from <https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Code_snippets/File_I%2f%2fO#Getting_special_files 
 >:

"The special __LOCATION__ builtin will return an nsIFile of the  
component file"

It's a better hack than the current one, at least.

--
Jarkko

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 14:19:27 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:19:27 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] New PATH_SEP stuff makes Vimp2.0 unusable on my	OS
	X machine
In-Reply-To: <B6C0A4C0-ECC1-494B-B667-8D7A5283D7C2@gmail.com>
References: <49D380B7.3040406@tedpavlic.com> <49D3816E.8090402@tedpavlic.com>
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On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 12:32:45AM +0300, Jarkko Oranen wrote:
> "The special __LOCATION__ builtin will return an nsIFile of the  
> component file"
>
> It's a better hack than the current one, at least.

Not really, because it would return a path like "C:\". We'll 
just have to test for Windows explicitly.

-- 
Kris Maglione

The camel has evolved to be relatively self-sufficient.  On the other
hand, the camel has not evolved to smell good.  Neither has Perl.
	--Larry Wall


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Apr  2 14:42:16 2009
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 17:42:16 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] New PATH_SEP stuff makes Vimp2.0 unusable on my OS
 X machine
In-Reply-To: <20090402211927.GH9048@jg.home>
References: <49D380B7.3040406@tedpavlic.com> <49D3816E.8090402@tedpavlic.com>
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Again, can't you just test for an initWithPath("/") exception?

Seems to work on my machine.

--Ted

> Not really, because it would return a path like "C:\". We'll
> just have to test for Windows explicitly.
>

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

   Please visit my ALS association page:
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 14:40:24 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:40:24 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] New PATH_SEP stuff makes Vimp2.0 unusable on my	OS
	X machine
In-Reply-To: <49D53138.1040405@tedpavlic.com>
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On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 05:42:16PM -0400, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> Again, can't you just test for an initWithPath("/") exception?

That makes the assumption that all machines that don't use '/' 
as a path separator use '\' instead. We may as well just test 
for Windows.

-- 
Kris Maglione

A smart terminal is not a smartass terminal, but rather a terminal you
can educate.
	-- Rob Pike


From chousuke at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 15:34:55 2009
From: chousuke at gmail.com (Jarkko Oranen)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 01:34:55 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] 'laststatus' misbehaviour?
Message-ID: <5A365592-65F3-459B-B1BC-32BE1AC9F341@gmail.com>

I'm wondering what the purpose of the 'laststatus' option in liberator  
is.
It doesn't seem to ever be read in the liberator source files, and in  
addition to that, the StatusLine constructor in ui.js is misbehaving.

It sets the statusbar collapsed attribute to "true" with a promise to  
restore it later, but that never happens, so in essence it ignores the  
default setting. (unless the user explicitly does :set ls = 2 after  
vimperator has started)

It seems to me that all the "ls" option accomplishes is hiding the  
statusbar, which can already be accomplished via other means. It's  
even more confusing that there are two attributes (collapsed and  
hidden) that hide the status bar...

Perhaps remove this option altogether? At the very least, the  
StatusLine constructor shouldn't set statusBar.collapsed = true; by  
default.

--
Jarkko

From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Thu Apr  2 15:41:42 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 00:41:42 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [ANN] New Vimperator fork
In-Reply-To: <20090402201930.GG9048@jg.home>
References: <20090401163000.GP27077@jg.home>
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On 04/02/2009 10:19 PM, Kris Maglione wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 10:02:31PM +0200, Eyolf ?strem wrote:
>> Since you ask, I don't mind the chick so much as the background (although
>> it does seem like an unnecessary chauvinist element, as others have also
>> mentioned).

I know the picture is a little chauvinist but never thought it would
really disturb people - and not just because the main target audience of
vimperator is male anyway.

People who know me from IRC or the mailing list probably know, that I
regard tolerance as a very, very important principle and also believe
that everybody should have the same rights, no matter which gender,
sexual orientation, skin color, etc. one has. However, I also love
good jokes, even if they are political incorrect (I am still a HUGE
fan of al bundy (married... with children)). It's the same that I really
love violent movies/computer games with lot of blood and gore - but I
really detest violence in real life.
And since the Internet is just a virtual platform, I thought showing
some chauvinism as kind of a "joke" in a fun project would be
regarded with some smile instead of all the boring web sites which all
just look the same.

>>  The green doesn't fit well in with the orange/gray, and the
>> full red/green/blue around the boxes bring in yet another colour profile.

I first tried to change that picture to orange, but later I really
prefered the more colorful look.

>>But most of all, I'd get rid of that liquid-war-like thing in the
>>background

Actually I think those bubbles makes it rather look like a girl
dancing in a discotheque and therefore not concentrating the whole
appearance of the background on the girl itself, but for me on the
scene of a dancing girl.

Moreover, I just took that picture from 

http://www.publicdomainpictures.net/view-image.php?image=202&jazyk=EN

because it is under 'public domain' license, and i do not want to get
troubles for the copyright and I am not a good artist myself so i
could create a better one.

>> -- it's probably the least vim-like thing I've ever seen :)
> 
> Seconded. It's very un-Vim.

And since when do you, Kris, care about vim-like? I thought you'd
rather drop some compatibility? And while vim and vimperator share
lots of keybindings/commands, vimperator has always tried to make
the UI look much more modern (favicons, autocompletions, gradients, etc.)
why not also make the homepage graphically more pleasing?

--
Martin

From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Thu Apr  2 15:46:45 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 00:46:45 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] 'laststatus' misbehaviour?
In-Reply-To: <5A365592-65F3-459B-B1BC-32BE1AC9F341@gmail.com>
References: <5A365592-65F3-459B-B1BC-32BE1AC9F341@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49D54055.8080705@vimperator.org>

On 04/03/2009 12:34 AM, Jarkko Oranen wrote:

> Perhaps remove this option altogether? At the very least, the  
> StatusLine constructor shouldn't set statusBar.collapsed = true; by  
> default.


Vimperator initially hides all content and only shows it later. The reason
is that when I wrote the code, without that initializing there could
be a split second, where it would show the statusbar (or tabbar, or toolbar
or whatever) even for people who have turned them off in their RC file.

This is surely no usability problem, it just looked stupid and therefore
we hide all UI initially and show them when parsing the options, which
does not seem to have any visual problems, no matter which options the
users has in his RC file.

From chousuke at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 15:52:11 2009
From: chousuke at gmail.com (Jarkko Oranen)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 01:52:11 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] 'laststatus' misbehaviour?
In-Reply-To: <49D54055.8080705@vimperator.org>
References: <5A365592-65F3-459B-B1BC-32BE1AC9F341@gmail.com>
	<49D54055.8080705@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <B13F3FB6-E679-4BDA-859E-BC2A88723C57@gmail.com>

On 3 Apr 2009, at 01:46, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
> Vimperator initially hides all content and only shows it later. The  
> reason
> is that when I wrote the code, without that initializing there could
> be a split second, where it would show the statusbar (or tabbar, or  
> toolbar
> or whatever) even for people who have turned them off in their RC  
> file.
>
> This is surely no usability problem, it just looked stupid and  
> therefore
> we hide all UI initially and show them when parsing the options, which
> does not seem to have any visual problems, no matter which options the
> users has in his RC file.

I think the problem appears exactly when the user does not have a set  
laststatus=2
in his rc file. In this case, it should use the default, but there  
seems to be no point in the code where this is checked and  
the .collapsed attribute is set to false again, so users relying on  
the default get the wrong behaviour.

The reason why it works if the rc file contains the :set call is that  
it triggers the setter, which ensures that the attribute is set to  
false.

--
Jarkko



From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Thu Apr  2 15:58:03 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 00:58:03 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] New PATH_SEP stuff makes Vimp2.0 unusable on my OS
 X machine
In-Reply-To: <49D53138.1040405@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49D380B7.3040406@tedpavlic.com>
	<49D3816E.8090402@tedpavlic.com>	<aaae92100904010909h38fab4do8c6515bedabcc171@mail.gmail.com>	<20090401161402.GO27077@jg.home>
	<49D50C3B.8000009@tedpavlic.com>	<49D50F04.4000607@vimperator.org>
	<49D513FC.4010303@tedpavlic.com>	<20090402201810.GF9048@jg.home>
	<49D52D8C.1060800@tedpavlic.com>	<B6C0A4C0-ECC1-494B-B667-8D7A5283D7C2@gmail.com>	<20090402211927.GH9048@jg.home>
	<49D53138.1040405@tedpavlic.com>
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On 04/02/2009 11:42 PM, Ted Pavlic wrote:

> Again, can't you just test for an initWithPath("/") exception?
> 
> Seems to work on my machine.
> 
> --Ted
> 
>> Not really, because it would return a path like "C:\". We'll
>> just have to test for Windows explicitly.
>>
> 


Doing a:

> grep PATH_SEP -r .
./common/content/io.js:    function replacePathSep(path) path.replace("/", IO.PATH_SEP, "g");
./common/content/io.js:IO.PATH_SEP = (function () {
./common/content/io.js:    if (!relative && RegExp("~(?:$|[/" + util.escapeRegex(IO.PATH_SEP) + "])").test(path))
./common/content/io.js:    return path.replace("/", IO.PATH_SEP, "g");

shows, PATH_SEP is used inside function IO() { ... } anyway, so I think
just declaring it inside IO { ... } with:

get pathSeperator() ... { has("win32") ... } is proably better. I really don't like
usage of exceptions for non-exceptional things. That reminds me of some terrible
java code i have seen...

--
Martin

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 15:58:06 2009
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 01:58:06 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] [ANN] New Vimperator fork
In-Reply-To: <20090402093239.GD9048@jg.home>
References: <20090401163000.GP27077@jg.home> <49D402DA.50703@vimperator.org>
	<20090402093239.GD9048@jg.home>
Message-ID: <880dece00904021558j5f3d9061ma0e51c259967d056@mail.gmail.com>

> Honestly, I don't think switching to XulRunner is worth it. You're right,
> it'd alienate users (but keep them quiet). Plus, there are just some FF
> extensions worth having, i.e., Firebug.
>

If the idea every comes up again in a serious manner, then let me say this:
Vimperator cannot compete with the many terrific plugins for Firefox.
Nor should it try. There are many Firefox plugins that I use that I
expect would never become Vimperator plugins. I would actually be
angry if I had to start choosing between Vimperator or my 20+ other
extensions.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 16:10:51 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 19:10:51 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] New PATH_SEP stuff makes Vimp2.0 unusable on my	OS
	X machine
In-Reply-To: <49D542FB.2050501@vimperator.org>
References: <20090401161402.GO27077@jg.home> <49D50C3B.8000009@tedpavlic.com>
	<49D50F04.4000607@vimperator.org> <49D513FC.4010303@tedpavlic.com>
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	<B6C0A4C0-ECC1-494B-B667-8D7A5283D7C2@gmail.com>
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	<49D542FB.2050501@vimperator.org>
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On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 12:58:03AM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>shows, PATH_SEP is used inside function IO() { ... } anyway, so I think
>just declaring it inside IO { ... } with:
>
>get pathSeperator() ... { has("win32") ... } is proably better. I really don't like
>usage of exceptions for non-exceptional things. That reminds me of some terrible
>java code i have seen...

Using a getter is unnecessary, but it's not just used inside of 
io, it's used in class functions on IO that are needed before 
the instance is initialized.

-- 
Kris Maglione

The string is a stark data structure and everywhere it is passed there
is duplication.  It is a perfect vehicle for hiding information.
	--Alan J. Perlis


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 16:14:50 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 19:14:50 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [ANN] New Vimperator fork
In-Reply-To: <49D53F26.1020904@vimperator.org>
References: <20090401163000.GP27077@jg.home> <49D402DA.50703@vimperator.org>
	<20090402093239.GD9048@jg.home>
	<aaae92100904020703vf84fb55i7039658537c384bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090402200231.GA19677@eyo> <20090402201930.GG9048@jg.home>
	<49D53F26.1020904@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <20090402231450.GK9048@jg.home>

On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 12:41:42AM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>> Seconded. It's very un-Vim.
>
>And since when do you, Kris, care about vim-like? I thought you'd
>rather drop some compatibility? And while vim and vimperator share
>lots of keybindings/commands, vimperator has always tried to make
>the UI look much more modern (favicons, autocompletions, gradients, etc.)
>why not also make the homepage graphically more pleasing?

I don't care so much about Vim as about consistency. 
Vimperator's UI is, overall, utilitarian and minimalistic. 
Almost no graphics, no rounded edges, no unnecessary UI 
elements. Even the logo is minimalist. It doesn't seem to mesh 
with a 70s acid trip.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to
build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying
to produce bigger and better idiots.  So far, the Universe is winning.
	--Rich Cook


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 16:16:07 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 19:16:07 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] 'laststatus' misbehaviour?
In-Reply-To: <5A365592-65F3-459B-B1BC-32BE1AC9F341@gmail.com>
References: <5A365592-65F3-459B-B1BC-32BE1AC9F341@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090402231607.GL9048@jg.home>

On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 01:34:55AM +0300, Jarkko Oranen wrote:
> It seems to me that all the "ls" option accomplishes is hiding the  
> statusbar, which can already be accomplished via other means. It's even 
> more confusing that there are two attributes (collapsed and hidden) that 
> hide the status bar...

It's for vim compatibility. ls=1 would actually be useful.

-- 
Kris Maglione

The computing scientist's main challenge is not to get confused by the
complexities of his own making.
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 16:17:24 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 19:17:24 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] 'laststatus' misbehaviour?
In-Reply-To: <B13F3FB6-E679-4BDA-859E-BC2A88723C57@gmail.com>
References: <5A365592-65F3-459B-B1BC-32BE1AC9F341@gmail.com>
	<49D54055.8080705@vimperator.org>
	<B13F3FB6-E679-4BDA-859E-BC2A88723C57@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090402231724.GM9048@jg.home>

On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 01:52:11AM +0300, Jarkko Oranen wrote:
> I think the problem appears exactly when the user does not have a set  
> laststatus=2
> in his rc file. In this case, it should use the default, but there seems 
> to be no point in the code where this is checked and the .collapsed 
> attribute is set to false again, so users relying on the default get the 
> wrong behaviour.

Ah, I'd noticed that when testing with wine, but I thought it 
was wine related. Hadn't considered it was that I had no 
.vimperatorrc.

-- 
Kris Maglione

If the designers of X Windows built cars, there would be no fewer than
five steering wheels hidden about the cockpit, none of which followed
the same principles ? but you?d be able to shift gears with your car
stereo.  Useful feature that.
	--Marcus J. Ranum, DEC


From henri.ducrocq at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 17:15:21 2009
From: henri.ducrocq at gmail.com (Henri Ducrocq)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 01:15:21 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] [ANN] New Vimperator fork
In-Reply-To: <20090402231450.GK9048@jg.home>
References: <20090401163000.GP27077@jg.home> <49D402DA.50703@vimperator.org>
	<20090402093239.GD9048@jg.home>
	<aaae92100904020703vf84fb55i7039658537c384bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090402200231.GA19677@eyo> <20090402201930.GG9048@jg.home>
	<49D53F26.1020904@vimperator.org> <20090402231450.GK9048@jg.home>
Message-ID: <391beaa80904021715j218ffafeg432a9f03397f7460@mail.gmail.com>

It does mesh: Bill Joy mentioned in some interview he experimented with LSD
around 1976, which happens to be the year he started vi.
vimperator -> vim -> vi -> bill joy -> lsd in the 70s -> image on
vimperator.org, that's not even 6 degrees of separation.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 12:41:42AM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>
>> Seconded. It's very un-Vim.
>>>
>>
>> And since when do you, Kris, care about vim-like? I thought you'd
>> rather drop some compatibility? And while vim and vimperator share
>> lots of keybindings/commands, vimperator has always tried to make
>> the UI look much more modern (favicons, autocompletions, gradients, etc.)
>> why not also make the homepage graphically more pleasing?
>>
>
> I don't care so much about Vim as about consistency. Vimperator's UI is,
> overall, utilitarian and minimalistic. Almost no graphics, no rounded edges,
> no unnecessary UI elements. Even the logo is minimalist. It doesn't seem to
> mesh with a 70s acid trip.
>
> --
> Kris Maglione
>
> Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to
> build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying
> to produce bigger and better idiots.  So far, the Universe is winning.
>        --Rich Cook
>
>
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From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Apr  2 17:18:20 2009
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:18:20 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] New PATH_SEP stuff makes Vimp2.0 unusable on my OS
 X machine
In-Reply-To: <49D542FB.2050501@vimperator.org>
References: <49D380B7.3040406@tedpavlic.com>
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OT: Following the git discussion in the other thread...

>> grep PATH_SEP -r .

git grep PATH_SEP

works pretty well too.

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

   Please visit my ALS association page:
         http://web.alsa.org/goto/tedpavlic
   My family appreciates your support in the fight to defeat ALS.

From ultrokevjr at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 18:13:58 2009
From: ultrokevjr at gmail.com (ultrokevjr)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 09:13:58 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] [Vimplosion] [PATCH] Use WebKit instead of
	XulRunner
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904020154m1691c20u1a4ce24ebdbe6a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <391beaa80904011250l74d3c510xa291d69b783053c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D4039E.8090709@vimperator.org>
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On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Martin Stubenschrott <
maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:

> 2009/4/2 ultrokevjr <ultrokevjr at gmail.com>:
> > It's will be more appreciated if vimperator can support seamonkey 2, and
> > it's also based on gecko 1.9 just like firefox3.
> >
> > https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Gecko
>
> Probably wouldn't be that hard (not that i am doing the work, but a well
> written
> patch would be accepted). On the other hand I don't see the real
> advantage as the rendering core is the same, and vimperator does away most
> of the GUI anyway, so why use a "Firefox with a slightly different GUI" aka
> seamonkey?
>
>
Probably just for more faster speed, less resources consum and more stable
in my opinion, at the same time it's rare for me to use mail and chat et al
in seamonkey.  Of course, extensions for seamonkey 1|2 are much less than
firefox also. :)
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 18:21:06 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 21:21:06 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [Vimplosion] [PATCH] Use WebKit instead
	of	XulRunner
In-Reply-To: <3f0e729b0904021813j791c3659r6cba6ed68ea6325a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <391beaa80904011250l74d3c510xa291d69b783053c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D4039E.8090709@vimperator.org>
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	<3f0e729b0904011910h37f70da9tf120584151d171c4@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20090403012106.GN9048@jg.home>

On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 09:13:58AM +0800, ultrokevjr wrote:
>Probably just for more faster speed, less resources consum and more stable
>in my opinion, at the same time it's rare for me to use mail and chat et al
>in seamonkey.  Of course, extensions for seamonkey 1|2 are much less than
>firefox also. :)

In my experience, it's the opposite. At least, the idea of 
Firefox was to create a leaner, simpler browser than Seamonkey. 
At the begining, it was certainly that, but it's definately 
grown over time.

-- 
Kris Maglione

[As for the <BLINK> tag,] it was a joke, okay?  If we thought it would
actually be used, we wouldn't have written it!
	--Mark Andreessen


From ultrokevjr at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 19:43:03 2009
From: ultrokevjr at gmail.com (ultrokevjr)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 10:43:03 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] [Vimplosion] [PATCH] Use WebKit instead of
	XulRunner
In-Reply-To: <20090403012106.GN9048@jg.home>
References: <391beaa80904011250l74d3c510xa291d69b783053c5@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 09:13:58AM +0800, ultrokevjr wrote:
>
>> Probably just for more faster speed, less resources consum and more stable
>> in my opinion, at the same time it's rare for me to use mail and chat et
>> al
>> in seamonkey.  Of course, extensions for seamonkey 1|2 are much less than
>> firefox also. :)
>>
>
> In my experience, it's the opposite. At least, the idea of Firefox was to
> create a leaner, simpler browser than Seamonkey. At the begining, it was
> certainly that, but it's definately grown over time.
>
>
Firefox performances much better on microsoft platforms than linux, however,
it doesn't occurs to seamonkey, seamonkey series always performance better
than firefox under linux both speed, resources consum and stable, maybe
partly for community based seamonkey not so eager to add somethings like
firefox need to fight for market with ie. And parts of seamonkey just call
for different profiles just like OOo.
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 22:33:14 2009
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 08:33:14 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] [ANN] New Vimperator fork
In-Reply-To: <391beaa80904021715j218ffafeg432a9f03397f7460@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090401163000.GP27077@jg.home> <49D402DA.50703@vimperator.org>
	<20090402093239.GD9048@jg.home>
	<aaae92100904020703vf84fb55i7039658537c384bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090402200231.GA19677@eyo> <20090402201930.GG9048@jg.home>
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	<391beaa80904021715j218ffafeg432a9f03397f7460@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00904022233x77bb33c5ubd9c8d48220da78e@mail.gmail.com>

> It does mesh: Bill Joy mentioned in some interview he experimented with LSD
> around 1976, which happens to be the year he started vi.
> vimperator -> vim -> vi -> bill joy -> lsd in the 70s -> image on
> vimperator.org, that's not even 6 degrees of separation.
>

How long has _that_ image been there? I firmly disagree (not that I
have a say in the matter). I love women as much as the next guy, but
mixing sex and software is a no-no.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Thu Apr  2 23:11:27 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 08:11:27 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] New PATH_SEP stuff makes Vimp2.0 unusable on my OS
 X machine
In-Reply-To: <49D555CC.3010702@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49D380B7.3040406@tedpavlic.com>	<49D3816E.8090402@tedpavlic.com>	<aaae92100904010909h38fab4do8c6515bedabcc171@mail.gmail.com>	<20090401161402.GO27077@jg.home>	<49D50C3B.8000009@tedpavlic.com>	<49D50F04.4000607@vimperator.org>	<49D513FC.4010303@tedpavlic.com>	<20090402201810.GF9048@jg.home>	<49D52D8C.1060800@tedpavlic.com>	<B6C0A4C0-ECC1-494B-B667-8D7A5283D7C2@gmail.com>	<20090402211927.GH9048@jg.home>	<49D53138.1040405@tedpavlic.com>
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On 04/03/2009 02:18 AM, Ted Pavlic wrote:

> git grep PATH_SEP
> 
> works pretty well too.


Ah right, but at least in my version, the found string
is not colored red which it is with the normal "grep"
although i have set all UI to be colored for git too.

--
Martin

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Apr  3 01:14:05 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 10:14:05 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [ANN] New Vimperator fork
In-Reply-To: <391beaa80904021715j218ffafeg432a9f03397f7460@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090401163000.GP27077@jg.home> <49D402DA.50703@vimperator.org>
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	<20090402200231.GA19677@eyo> <20090402201930.GG9048@jg.home>
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	<391beaa80904021715j218ffafeg432a9f03397f7460@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:15 AM, Henri Ducrocq <henri.ducrocq at gmail.com> wrote:
> It does mesh: Bill Joy mentioned in some interview he experimented with LSD
> around 1976, which happens to be the year he started vi.
> vimperator -> vim -> vi -> bill joy -> lsd in the 70s -> image on
> vimperator.org, that's not even 6 degrees of separation.

Haha, great comparison :) Have to note that down...

And hell, although i personally do not take drugs or would recommend
it to anybody,
I would still not mind projects making jokes or using images of drugs on their
homepage, but probably my type of fun/jokes/freedom of speech does not please
so many people here...

From ylmao at mail.ustc.edu.cn  Fri Apr  3 02:28:56 2009
From: ylmao at mail.ustc.edu.cn (=?gb2312?B?w6vs2ui0?=)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 17:28:56 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
Message-ID: <438751041.07263@ustc.edu.cn>

Hi, all,

         I updated my vimperator to version 2.0 today. But the multi-line
tab becomes one line. And the mouse click has no effect. The multi-line is
one function of tab mix plus. Here is my system and firefox addon list:

 

System: windows xp pro SP3

Firefox addons:

         Adblock plus 1.0.1

         Backword 2.0.1.1

         Boss Key 0.1.8

         Download Statusbar 0.9.6.4

         FlashGot 1.1.8.5

         IE Tab 1.5.20090207

         Microsoft >net Framework Assistant 1.0

         PC Sync 2 Synchronisation Extension 1.0.0.685

         Tab Mix Plus 0.3.7.3

         Vimperator 2.0

 

         I think the new version of Vimperator is not compatible with the
Tab Mix Plus. Please check this problem. Thank you all.

 

Mao Yilu

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From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Apr  3 02:59:39 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 11:59:39 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <438751041.07263@ustc.edu.cn>
References: <438751041.07263@ustc.edu.cn>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904030259k24e0400dlc75fefe4c84a0441@mail.gmail.com>

Tab Mix Plus is yet another extension which has problems with the new
tab numbers (there is also a bug report for some tab sidebar plugin as
well).

I will probably disable tab numbers for vimp 2.1, unless we find a way
to only load the code when really used (or fix it otherwise, which
seems quite impossible).

There are lots of other plugins which do the same as TMP though, but
yeah, since TMP is quite popular, i think we should fix that soon to
not piss off too many users. :(

2009/4/3 ??? <ylmao at mail.ustc.edu.cn>:
> Hi, all,
>
> ???????? I updated my vimperator to version 2.0 today. But the multi-line
> tab becomes one line. And the mouse click has no effect. The multi-line is
> one function of tab mix plus. Here is my system and firefox addon list:
>
>
>
> System: windows xp pro SP3
>
> Firefox addons:
>
> ???????? Adblock plus 1.0.1
>
> ???????? Backword 2.0.1.1
>
> ???????? Boss Key 0.1.8
>
> ???????? Download Statusbar 0.9.6.4
>
> ???????? FlashGot 1.1.8.5
>
> ???????? IE Tab 1.5.20090207
>
> ???????? Microsoft >net Framework Assistant 1.0
>
> ???????? PC Sync 2 Synchronisation Extension 1.0.0.685
>
> ???????? Tab Mix Plus 0.3.7.3
>
> ???????? Vimperator 2.0
>
>
>
> ???????? I think the new version of Vimperator is not compatible with the
> Tab Mix Plus. Please check this problem. Thank you all.
>
>
>
> Mao Yilu
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>

From Thomas.Svensen at microsoft.com  Fri Apr  3 03:22:19 2009
From: Thomas.Svensen at microsoft.com (Thomas Svensen)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 11:22:19 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904030259k24e0400dlc75fefe4c84a0441@mail.gmail.com>
References: <438751041.07263@ustc.edu.cn>
	<aaae92100904030259k24e0400dlc75fefe4c84a0441@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC1AA184FFC8@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>

I love the tab numbers, especially since they work so well together with the faviconize addon.
I would be really sorry to see them disappear with 2.1.

Just my 2 cents.

Regards,

Thomas

-----Original Message-----
From: vimperator-bounces at mozdev.org [mailto:vimperator-bounces at mozdev.org] On Behalf Of Martin Stubenschrott
Sent: 3. april 2009 12:00
To: vimperator at mozdev.org
Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus

Tab Mix Plus is yet another extension which has problems with the new
tab numbers (there is also a bug report for some tab sidebar plugin as
well).

I will probably disable tab numbers for vimp 2.1, unless we find a way
to only load the code when really used (or fix it otherwise, which
seems quite impossible).

There are lots of other plugins which do the same as TMP though, but
yeah, since TMP is quite popular, i think we should fix that soon to
not piss off too many users. :(

2009/4/3 ??? <ylmao at mail.ustc.edu.cn>:
> Hi, all,
>
>          I updated my vimperator to version 2.0 today. But the multi-line
> tab becomes one line. And the mouse click has no effect. The multi-line is
> one function of tab mix plus. Here is my system and firefox addon list:
>
>
>
> System: windows xp pro SP3
>
> Firefox addons:
>
>          Adblock plus 1.0.1
>
>          Backword 2.0.1.1
>
>          Boss Key 0.1.8
>
>          Download Statusbar 0.9.6.4
>
>          FlashGot 1.1.8.5
>
>          IE Tab 1.5.20090207
>
>          Microsoft >net Framework Assistant 1.0
>
>          PC Sync 2 Synchronisation Extension 1.0.0.685
>
>          Tab Mix Plus 0.3.7.3
>
>          Vimperator 2.0
>
>
>
>          I think the new version of Vimperator is not compatible with the
> Tab Mix Plus. Please check this problem. Thank you all.
>
>
>
> Mao Yilu
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>
_______________________________________________
Vimperator mailing list
Vimperator at mozdev.org
https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Apr  3 03:43:26 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:43:26 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC1AA184FFC8@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
References: <438751041.07263@ustc.edu.cn>
	<aaae92100904030259k24e0400dlc75fefe4c84a0441@mail.gmail.com>
	<3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC1AA184FFC8@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904030343p290c967ar4d093b096f6be92b@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, seems lots of people like them, and they are actually well done,
but it just seems it has so many problems for people and since they
are off by default, I think more people will see negative effects of
them without any advantage.

Therefore I have to look more into the code to see, if the XBL binding
can just be enabled if one really shows the tab numbers, so both
parties would be happy.

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Apr  3 04:04:35 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 13:04:35 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC1AA184FFC8@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
References: <438751041.07263@ustc.edu.cn>
	<aaae92100904030259k24e0400dlc75fefe4c84a0441@mail.gmail.com>
	<3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC1AA184FFC8@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904030404y19ec9ca6j3d745330392d7ff6@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Thomas Svensen
<Thomas.Svensen at microsoft.com> wrote:
> I love the tab numbers, especially since they work so well together with the faviconize addon.

who needs a faviconize addon? I :set! my minTabWidth (and/or
clipwidth, can't remember) to 20,
:set! the tabCloseButton to 0 (for just the active tab), and they
collapse to favicons only anyway
when room gets small, but show some text, if the room is there in the tab bar.

From dpb at driftaway.org  Fri Apr  3 05:27:19 2009
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 15:27:19 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904030259k24e0400dlc75fefe4c84a0441@mail.gmail.com>
References: <438751041.07263@ustc.edu.cn>
	<aaae92100904030259k24e0400dlc75fefe4c84a0441@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230904030527k186df513i17a0e34f67852176@mail.gmail.com>

TMP has been broken with Vimperator long before the tab numbers came
into Vimperator. It's quite a known issue that TMP is incompatible
with Vimperator.

--
Daniel

2009/4/3 Martin Stubenschrott <maxauthority at vimperator.org>:
> Tab Mix Plus is yet another extension which has problems with the new
> tab numbers (there is also a bug report for some tab sidebar plugin as
> well).
>
> I will probably disable tab numbers for vimp 2.1, unless we find a way
> to only load the code when really used (or fix it otherwise, which
> seems quite impossible).
>
> There are lots of other plugins which do the same as TMP though, but
> yeah, since TMP is quite popular, i think we should fix that soon to
> not piss off too many users. :(
>
> 2009/4/3 ??? <ylmao at mail.ustc.edu.cn>:
>> Hi, all,
>>
>>          I updated my vimperator to version 2.0 today. But the multi-line
>> tab becomes one line. And the mouse click has no effect. The multi-line is
>> one function of tab mix plus. Here is my system and firefox addon list:
>>
>>
>>
>> System: windows xp pro SP3
>>
>> Firefox addons:
>>
>>          Adblock plus 1.0.1
>>
>>          Backword 2.0.1.1
>>
>>          Boss Key 0.1.8
>>
>>          Download Statusbar 0.9.6.4
>>
>>          FlashGot 1.1.8.5
>>
>>          IE Tab 1.5.20090207
>>
>>          Microsoft >net Framework Assistant 1.0
>>
>>          PC Sync 2 Synchronisation Extension 1.0.0.685
>>
>>          Tab Mix Plus 0.3.7.3
>>
>>          Vimperator 2.0
>>
>>
>>
>>          I think the new version of Vimperator is not compatible with the
>> Tab Mix Plus. Please check this problem. Thank you all.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mao Yilu
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Apr  3 05:41:26 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 14:41:26 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230904030527k186df513i17a0e34f67852176@mail.gmail.com>
References: <438751041.07263@ustc.edu.cn>
	<aaae92100904030259k24e0400dlc75fefe4c84a0441@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904030527k186df513i17a0e34f67852176@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904030541v7f420456l8306c6424cbe5032@mail.gmail.com>

Oh ok, thought it was due to the tab numbers.
This is certainly a good point for retaining tab numbers, but we'll
see how many more bug reports we receive about tab related things :)

2009/4/3 Daniel Bainton <dpb at driftaway.org>:
> TMP has been broken with Vimperator long before the tab numbers came
> into Vimperator. It's quite a known issue that TMP is incompatible
> with Vimperator.
>
> --
> Daniel
>
> 2009/4/3 Martin Stubenschrott <maxauthority at vimperator.org>:
>> Tab Mix Plus is yet another extension which has problems with the new
>> tab numbers (there is also a bug report for some tab sidebar plugin as
>> well).
>>
>> I will probably disable tab numbers for vimp 2.1, unless we find a way
>> to only load the code when really used (or fix it otherwise, which
>> seems quite impossible).
>>
>> There are lots of other plugins which do the same as TMP though, but
>> yeah, since TMP is quite popular, i think we should fix that soon to
>> not piss off too many users. :(
>>
>> 2009/4/3 ??? <ylmao at mail.ustc.edu.cn>:
>>> Hi, all,
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?I updated my vimperator to version 2.0 today. But the multi-line
>>> tab becomes one line. And the mouse click has no effect. The multi-line is
>>> one function of tab mix plus. Here is my system and firefox addon list:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> System: windows xp pro SP3
>>>
>>> Firefox addons:
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?Adblock plus 1.0.1
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?Backword 2.0.1.1
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?Boss Key 0.1.8
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?Download Statusbar 0.9.6.4
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?FlashGot 1.1.8.5
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?IE Tab 1.5.20090207
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?Microsoft >net Framework Assistant 1.0
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?PC Sync 2 Synchronisation Extension 1.0.0.685
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?Tab Mix Plus 0.3.7.3
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?Vimperator 2.0
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?I think the new version of Vimperator is not compatible with the
>>> Tab Mix Plus. Please check this problem. Thank you all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mao Yilu
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Vimperator mailing list
>>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From fb at intoxicatedmind.net  Fri Apr  3 06:15:08 2009
From: fb at intoxicatedmind.net (Frank Blendinger)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 15:15:08 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904030541v7f420456l8306c6424cbe5032@mail.gmail.com>
References: <438751041.07263@ustc.edu.cn>
	<aaae92100904030259k24e0400dlc75fefe4c84a0441@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904030527k186df513i17a0e34f67852176@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904030541v7f420456l8306c6424cbe5032@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090403131508.GP4047@intoxicatedmind.net>

Hi.

On Fri 2009-04-03 14:41, Martin Stubenschrott <maxauthority at vimperator.org> proclaimed:
> Oh ok, thought it was due to the tab numbers.
> This is certainly a good point for retaining tab numbers, but we'll
> see how many more bug reports we receive about tab related things :)

That's good to hear, as I also like the tab numbers very much and hope
they will stay.


Greetings,
Frank

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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 06:26:29 2009
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 16:26:29 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox crashing,
	extensions not working after update to Vimperator 	2.0 from 1.2
Message-ID: <880dece00904030626h4778574cn92b88c53a5b863f2@mail.gmail.com>

I am on Firefox 3.0.8 and Vimperator was updated to version 2.0 this
morning. Now, I have frequent crashes, and some other extensions seem
to have problems. For instance, the Tree Style Tab [1] extension can
no longer collapse tab hierarchies.

Additionally, I am getting this error on startup:
Error detected while processing /home/hardy1/.vimperatorrc
line 5:
E492: Not an editor command: #:map <C-e> :js
util.copyToClipboard(content.document.location.host.replace(/^www\./,"").replace(/co.il$/,"coil").replace(/\./,"-"),
true)<CR>gi<C-v>@dotancohen.com

This is the contents of .vimperatorrc:
set guioptions=m
:map d <Nop>

:map Y :js util.copyToClipboard(content.document.location.host, true)<CR>
#:map <C-e> :js
util.copyToClipboard(content.document.location.host.replace(/^www\./,"").replace(/co.il$/,"coil").replace(/\./,"-"),
true)<CR>gi<C-v>@dotancohen.com

:map <C-e> :js util.copyToClipboard(content.document.location.host.replace(/^www\./,"").replace(/(co|net|org)\.([a-z]*)$/,"$1$2").replace(/\./g,"-"),
true)<CR>gi<C-v>@dotancohen.com

:noremap n njj


Where should I start troubleshooting? Thanks!

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 06:34:49 2009
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 16:34:49 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox crashing,
	extensions not working after update to 	Vimperator 2.0 from 1.2
In-Reply-To: <880dece00904030626h4778574cn92b88c53a5b863f2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00904030626h4778574cn92b88c53a5b863f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00904030634l2112f775g7649250206ea7cd3@mail.gmail.com>

This link should have been in the previous mail:

[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5890

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 06:39:54 2009
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 00:39:54 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox crashing,
	extensions not working after 	update to Vimperator 2.0 from 1.2
In-Reply-To: <880dece00904030626h4778574cn92b88c53a5b863f2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00904030626h4778574cn92b88c53a5b863f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0904030639h3b198d63ve420a522d86cc6ee@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/4/09, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am on Firefox 3.0.8 and Vimperator was updated to version 2.0 this
>  morning. Now, I have frequent crashes, and some other extensions seem
>  to have problems. For instance, the Tree Style Tab [1] extension can
>  no longer collapse tab hierarchies.

This is known. See  #201

>  Additionally, I am getting this error on startup:
>  Error detected while processing /home/hardy1/.vimperatorrc
>  line 5:
>  E492: Not an editor command: #:map <C-e> :js
>  util.copyToClipboard(content.document.location.host.replace(/^www\./,"").replace(/co.il$/,"coil").replace(/\./,"-"),
>  true)<CR>gi<C-v>@dotancohen.com

Well it's not an editor command, " is the comment character.

<snip>

Regards,
Doug

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 07:22:02 2009
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 17:22:02 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox crashing,
	extensions not working after 	update to Vimperator 2.0 from 1.2
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0904030639h3b198d63ve420a522d86cc6ee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00904030626h4778574cn92b88c53a5b863f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0904030639h3b198d63ve420a522d86cc6ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00904030722l428ae4fdu4f7478bc1f9e587f@mail.gmail.com>

> This is known. See ?#201
>

Thanks, I will look at that.

>> ?Additionally, I am getting this error on startup:
>> ?Error detected while processing /home/hardy1/.vimperatorrc
>> ?line 5:
>> ?E492: Not an editor command: #:map <C-e> :js
>> ?util.copyToClipboard(content.document.location.host.replace(/^www\./,"").replace(/co.il$/,"coil").replace(/\./,"-"),
>> ?true)<CR>gi<C-v>@dotancohen.com
>
> Well it's not an editor command, " is the comment character.
>

How should I deal with this? Single quotes? Escape it? I'm swamped
with studies at the moment and I have about 30 important tabs open, so
I really cannot be experimenting right now.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

From thekearnman at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 07:27:08 2009
From: thekearnman at gmail.com (Kearn Holliday)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 16:27:08 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] context sensitive mapping
Message-ID: <a420ef190904030727u29229890m1b4408e6f5b1dcea@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

is it possible to make custom mappings specific to an url, or domain? that
is, the mappings are only defined whilst viewing a certain website.

Thanks,
Kearn.
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From rrdh at gmx.net  Fri Apr  3 07:52:36 2009
From: rrdh at gmx.net (Robert)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:52:36 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] feature request: Momentum
Message-ID: <49D622B4.10400@gmx.net>

Hey, well, you know. Hit J once to start scrolling down slowly (like one 
pixel at a time), hit J again to increase speed (~ [count]J ), hit K to 
decrease or even reverse direction, hit esc-key to stop, some other key 
to pause. I think it would be a much nicer way to scroll pages than 
jumping one line, waiting for a split second and then jumping more 
lines, which is slow and/or tiring to the eye.

Obviously I don't know, if this has been discussed before, so I thought 
I'd just kind of through it in.


From pmidden at gmx.net  Fri Apr  3 08:04:57 2009
From: pmidden at gmx.net (Philipp Middendorf)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 17:04:57 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] feature request: Momentum
In-Reply-To: <49D622B4.10400@gmx.net>
References: <49D622B4.10400@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20090403170457.59c6a349@gmx.net>

I know this type of scrolling and I've always found it extremely
difficult to read stuff that way, especially since tft displays tend to
blur smoothly scrolling text. Personally, I consider C-f and C-b
sufficient. 

On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:52:36 +0200
Robert <rrdh at gmx.net> wrote:

> Hey, well, you know. Hit J once to start scrolling down slowly (like
> one pixel at a time), hit J again to increase speed (~ [count]J ),
> hit K to decrease or even reverse direction, hit esc-key to stop,
> some other key to pause. I think it would be a much nicer way to
> scroll pages than jumping one line, waiting for a split second and
> then jumping more lines, which is slow and/or tiring to the eye.
> 
> Obviously I don't know, if this has been discussed before, so I
> thought I'd just kind of through it in.

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Apr  3 08:09:48 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 17:09:48 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] context sensitive mapping
In-Reply-To: <a420ef190904030727u29229890m1b4408e6f5b1dcea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a420ef190904030727u29229890m1b4408e6f5b1dcea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904030809j59b6a237j71e8421b67f9a04@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think :map <buffer> does work yet, but you can emulate it with:

:autocmd LocationChange .* ...

but you need some javascript knowledge for finding out, what the ...
should be, sorry.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Kearn Holliday <thekearnman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> is it possible to make custom mappings specific to an url, or domain? that
> is, the mappings are only defined whilst viewing a certain website.
>
> Thanks,
> Kearn.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>

From ylmao at mail.ustc.edu.cn  Fri Apr  3 08:45:35 2009
From: ylmao at mail.ustc.edu.cn (Mao Yilu)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 23:45:35 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <438762578.25291@ustc.edu.cn>
References: <438751041.07263@ustc.edu.cn><aaae92100904030259k24e0400dlc75fefe4c84a0441@mail.gmail.com><dd9711230904030527k186df513i17a0e34f67852176@mail.gmail.com>
	<438762578.25291@ustc.edu.cn>
Message-ID: <438773661.09965@ustc.edu.cn>

Thank you. Is there a simple way to make things work? Maybe by some settings to Tab Mix Plus?

-----Original Message-----
From: vimperator-bounces at mozdev.org [mailto:vimperator-bounces at mozdev.org] On Behalf Of Martin Stubenschrott
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:41 PM
To: vimperator at mozdev.org
Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus

Oh ok, thought it was due to the tab numbers.
This is certainly a good point for retaining tab numbers, but we'll
see how many more bug reports we receive about tab related things :)

2009/4/3 Daniel Bainton <dpb at driftaway.org>:
> TMP has been broken with Vimperator long before the tab numbers came
> into Vimperator. It's quite a known issue that TMP is incompatible
> with Vimperator.
>
> --
> Daniel
>
> 2009/4/3 Martin Stubenschrott <maxauthority at vimperator.org>:
>> Tab Mix Plus is yet another extension which has problems with the new
>> tab numbers (there is also a bug report for some tab sidebar plugin as
>> well).
>>
>> I will probably disable tab numbers for vimp 2.1, unless we find a way
>> to only load the code when really used (or fix it otherwise, which
>> seems quite impossible).
>>
>> There are lots of other plugins which do the same as TMP though, but
>> yeah, since TMP is quite popular, i think we should fix that soon to
>> not piss off too many users. :(
>>
>> 2009/4/3 ??? <ylmao at mail.ustc.edu.cn>:
>>> Hi, all,
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?I updated my vimperator to version 2.0 today. But the multi-line
>>> tab becomes one line. And the mouse click has no effect. The multi-line is
>>> one function of tab mix plus. Here is my system and firefox addon list:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> System: windows xp pro SP3
>>>
>>> Firefox addons:
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?Adblock plus 1.0.1
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?Backword 2.0.1.1
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?Boss Key 0.1.8
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?Download Statusbar 0.9.6.4
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?FlashGot 1.1.8.5
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?IE Tab 1.5.20090207
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?Microsoft >net Framework Assistant 1.0
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?PC Sync 2 Synchronisation Extension 1.0.0.685
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?Tab Mix Plus 0.3.7.3
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?Vimperator 2.0
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ? ? ? ? ?I think the new version of Vimperator is not compatible with the
>>> Tab Mix Plus. Please check this problem. Thank you all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mao Yilu
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Vimperator mailing list
>>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 09:44:52 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:44:52 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <44B79EF0250B4E419C4722439C1D5D34@xiaomao>
References: <9E459AE1A3D044838B4EDF6016E24439@xiaomao>
	<44B79EF0250B4E419C4722439C1D5D34@xiaomao>
Message-ID: <20090403164452.GO9048@jg.home>

On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 11:45:35PM +0800, Mao Yilu wrote:
>Thank you. Is there a simple way to make things work? Maybe by some settings to Tab Mix Plus?

Yes, don't use Tab Mix Plus. Tab Kit or Tab Control will do 
what you need.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Technology is dominated by two types of people: Those who understand
what they do not manage.  Those who manage what they do not
understand.
	--Putt's Law


From dotancohen at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 14:08:14 2009
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 00:08:14 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <20090403164452.GO9048@jg.home>
References: <9E459AE1A3D044838B4EDF6016E24439@xiaomao>
	<44B79EF0250B4E419C4722439C1D5D34@xiaomao>
	<20090403164452.GO9048@jg.home>
Message-ID: <880dece00904031408o111b2ed9n23f2a3ec48792598@mail.gmail.com>

> Yes, don't use Tab Mix Plus. Tab Kit or Tab Control will do what you need.
>

As I noted in another thread (before I got to this one), Tree Style
Tab is also affected by Vimperator 2.0. So the problems are not unique
to Tab Mix Plus.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 13:51:24 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 16:51:24 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <880dece00904031408o111b2ed9n23f2a3ec48792598@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9E459AE1A3D044838B4EDF6016E24439@xiaomao>
	<44B79EF0250B4E419C4722439C1D5D34@xiaomao>
	<20090403164452.GO9048@jg.home>
	<880dece00904031408o111b2ed9n23f2a3ec48792598@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090403205124.GP9048@jg.home>

On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 12:08:14AM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>As I noted in another thread (before I got to this one), Tree Style
>Tab is also affected by Vimperator 2.0. So the problems are not unique
>to Tab Mix Plus.

Tree Style Tabs doesn't like the binding we use for tab 
numbering. Tab Mix Plus is just badly written (worse for the 
fact that it's principally an amalgamation of older plugins by 
different authors).

-- 
Kris Maglione

Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.


From dougkearns at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 17:14:30 2009
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:14:30 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox crashing,
	extensions not working after 	update to Vimperator 2.0 from 1.2
In-Reply-To: <880dece00904030722l428ae4fdu4f7478bc1f9e587f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00904030626h4778574cn92b88c53a5b863f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0904030639h3b198d63ve420a522d86cc6ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904030722l428ae4fdu4f7478bc1f9e587f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0904031714j7d66c65bka83b155b0794c381@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/4/09, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

>  > Well it's not an editor command, " is the comment character.
>  >
>
>
> How should I deal with this? Single quotes? Escape it? I'm swamped
>  with studies at the moment and I have about 30 important tabs open, so
>  I really cannot be experimenting right now.

I'm not sure I understand.  That line is failing because "#" is not
the comment character so use '"' instead.  Change the # to "

Doug

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 17:16:48 2009
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:16:48 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] feature request: Momentum
In-Reply-To: <49D622B4.10400@gmx.net>
References: <49D622B4.10400@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0904031716s3ca21697r6e73defdf2b62998@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/4/09, Robert <rrdh at gmx.net> wrote:
> Hey, well, you know. Hit J once to start scrolling down slowly (like one
> pixel at a time), hit J again to increase speed (~ [count]J ), hit K to
> decrease or even reverse direction, hit esc-key to stop, some other key to
> pause. I think it would be a much nicer way to scroll pages than jumping one
> line, waiting for a split second and then jumping more lines, which is slow
> and/or tiring to the eye.
>
>  Obviously I don't know, if this has been discussed before, so I thought I'd
> just kind of through it in.

My thoughts...yuck!

It's not hard to implement though so write a plugin.

Doug

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 17:33:29 2009
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:33:29 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] context sensitive mapping
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904030809j59b6a237j71e8421b67f9a04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a420ef190904030727u29229890m1b4408e6f5b1dcea@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904030809j59b6a237j71e8421b67f9a04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0904031733j28102c56vd658ef7c7c53f5c6@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/4/09, Martin Stubenschrott <maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
> I don't think :map <buffer> does work yet, but you can emulate it with:
>
>  :autocmd LocationChange .* ...
>
>  but you need some javascript knowledge for finding out, what the ...
>  should be, sorry.


Well that's not really what :map <buffer> is for anyway.

An example using autocommands:

:au LocationChange .* :silent unmap T
:au LocationChange www\.google\.com :map T :echo "T"<CR>

Doug

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 17:35:09 2009
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:35:09 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <438773661.09965@ustc.edu.cn>
References: <438751041.07263@ustc.edu.cn>
	<aaae92100904030259k24e0400dlc75fefe4c84a0441@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904030527k186df513i17a0e34f67852176@mail.gmail.com>
	<438762578.25291@ustc.edu.cn> <438773661.09965@ustc.edu.cn>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0904031735l306f7f2emf01714f63264cd76@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/4/09, Mao Yilu <ylmao at mail.ustc.edu.cn> wrote:
> Thank you. Is there a simple way to make things work? Maybe by some settings to Tab Mix Plus?

Yes, either on the ML or in Trac there's a setting disable the feature
causing the problem.

However, Kris probably has the best advice.

Doug

From ben at benatkin.com  Fri Apr  3 18:09:15 2009
From: ben at benatkin.com (Ben Atkin)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 18:09:15 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] command-k and the search box (with the toolbar on)
Message-ID: <38c3133a0904031809x66fdb8d6sa0937b5ffb0eff39@mail.gmail.com>

I use vimperator on my mac with the toolbar on. I keep pressing Command-k to
try to go to the search box, out of habit, but it doesn't work. I use other
browsers all of the time so this habit is unlikely to change. When I press
Command-K it focuses the search box and then goes back to the window area.

How do I make it stay in the search box when I press command-K? Ideally I
would like to get vimperator to just not interfere with command-K.

I have successfully made an xpi for vimperator with the source in the git
repo.

Any pointers are appreciated.

Sincerely,

Benjamin M. Atkin
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 19:13:28 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 22:13:28 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0904031735l306f7f2emf01714f63264cd76@mail.gmail.com>
References: <438751041.07263@ustc.edu.cn>
	<aaae92100904030259k24e0400dlc75fefe4c84a0441@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904030527k186df513i17a0e34f67852176@mail.gmail.com>
	<438762578.25291@ustc.edu.cn> <438773661.09965@ustc.edu.cn>
	<644fc65e0904031735l306f7f2emf01714f63264cd76@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090404021328.GR9048@jg.home>

On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 11:35:09AM +1100, Doug Kearns wrote:
>Yes, either on the ML or in Trac there's a setting disable the feature
>causing the problem.
>
>However, Kris probably has the best advice.

Nope, the Tab Mix Plus problem is a weird one, not to do with 
the tab numbers. I looked into it once, but I don't remember the 
cause. Just don't use it.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Perspective is worth 80 IQ points.
	--Alan Kay


From dougkearns at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 19:43:57 2009
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 13:43:57 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <20090404021328.GR9048@jg.home>
References: <438751041.07263@ustc.edu.cn>
	<aaae92100904030259k24e0400dlc75fefe4c84a0441@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904030527k186df513i17a0e34f67852176@mail.gmail.com>
	<438762578.25291@ustc.edu.cn> <438773661.09965@ustc.edu.cn>
	<644fc65e0904031735l306f7f2emf01714f63264cd76@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090404021328.GR9048@jg.home>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0904031943j667ac446h3697df5e3728fc5a@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/4/09, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 11:35:09AM +1100, Doug Kearns wrote:
>
> > Yes, either on the ML or in Trac there's a setting disable the feature
> > causing the problem.
> >
> > However, Kris probably has the best advice.
> >
>
>  Nope, the Tab Mix Plus problem is a weird one, not to do with the tab
> numbers. I looked into it once, but I don't remember the cause. Just don't
> use it.

That's the advice I was referring to. :)

Doug

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Apr  4 02:29:14 2009
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:29:14 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <20090403205124.GP9048@jg.home>
References: <9E459AE1A3D044838B4EDF6016E24439@xiaomao>
	<44B79EF0250B4E419C4722439C1D5D34@xiaomao>
	<20090403164452.GO9048@jg.home>
	<880dece00904031408o111b2ed9n23f2a3ec48792598@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090403205124.GP9048@jg.home>
Message-ID: <880dece00904040229x19751d6n9b1a3a1f67524fc7@mail.gmail.com>

> Tree Style Tabs doesn't like the binding we use for tab numbering. Tab Mix
> Plus is just badly written (worse for the fact that it's principally an
> amalgamation of older plugins by different authors).
>

Do you have specifics, Kris? Tree Style Tab is essential to my
workflow, so I am currently without Vimperator until the issue is
resolved. I will write to the author of TST if you can provide
details, or it might even be better to not play "broken telephone" and
have him contact you or Martin directly.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Apr  4 02:33:28 2009
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:33:28 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox crashing,
	extensions not working after 	update to Vimperator 2.0 from 1.2
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0904031714j7d66c65bka83b155b0794c381@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00904030626h4778574cn92b88c53a5b863f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0904030639h3b198d63ve420a522d86cc6ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904030722l428ae4fdu4f7478bc1f9e587f@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0904031714j7d66c65bka83b155b0794c381@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00904040233u4db857cdq940f82c8a272b52c@mail.gmail.com>

> I'm not sure I understand. ?That line is failing because "#" is not
> the comment character so use '"' instead. ?Change the # to "
>

I see, thanks. There were a few versions of that code as I was
experimenting with, and I thought that I was commenting out the unused
versions.

In any case, I cannot use Vimperator at the moment (incompatibilities
with another extension and Vimp 2.0) so I will troubleshoot this
further in a few weeks when I have the time to invest in it.

Thanks!

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

From ahlstromcj at gmail.com  Sat Apr  4 05:00:58 2009
From: ahlstromcj at gmail.com (Chris Ahlstrom)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 08:00:58 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox crashing,
	extensions not working after	update to Vimperator 2.0 from 1.2
In-Reply-To: <880dece00904040233u4db857cdq940f82c8a272b52c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00904030626h4778574cn92b88c53a5b863f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0904030639h3b198d63ve420a522d86cc6ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904030722l428ae4fdu4f7478bc1f9e587f@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0904031714j7d66c65bka83b155b0794c381@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904040233u4db857cdq940f82c8a272b52c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090404120058.GC22156@mlsrock.launchmodem.com>

-------- Dotan Cohen 12:33 Sat 04 Apr      --------

>In any case, I cannot use Vimperator at the moment (incompatibilities
>with another extension and Vimp 2.0) so I will troubleshoot this
>further in a few weeks when I have the time to invest in it.

Why can't you just install the older version and use that for awhile?

-- 
Q:	What does it say on the bottom of Coke cans in North Dakota?
A:	Open other end.

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Apr  4 06:46:52 2009
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 16:46:52 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox crashing,
	extensions not working after 	update to Vimperator 2.0 from 1.2
In-Reply-To: <20090404120058.GC22156@mlsrock.launchmodem.com>
References: <880dece00904030626h4778574cn92b88c53a5b863f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0904030639h3b198d63ve420a522d86cc6ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904030722l428ae4fdu4f7478bc1f9e587f@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0904031714j7d66c65bka83b155b0794c381@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904040233u4db857cdq940f82c8a272b52c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090404120058.GC22156@mlsrock.launchmodem.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00904040646t5426ccddp6e2b3495116aafa4@mail.gmail.com>

> Why can't you just install the older version and use that for awhile?
>

I did, but Firefox has no way of declaring that a particular extension
should _not_ be upgraded. So if I stick with Vimperator 1.2 then I
cannot update _any_ extensions.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

From ahlstromcj at gmail.com  Sat Apr  4 08:39:59 2009
From: ahlstromcj at gmail.com (Chris Ahlstrom)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:39:59 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox crashing,
	extensions not working after	update to Vimperator 2.0 from 1.2
In-Reply-To: <880dece00904040646t5426ccddp6e2b3495116aafa4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00904030626h4778574cn92b88c53a5b863f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0904030639h3b198d63ve420a522d86cc6ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904030722l428ae4fdu4f7478bc1f9e587f@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0904031714j7d66c65bka83b155b0794c381@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904040233u4db857cdq940f82c8a272b52c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090404120058.GC22156@mlsrock.launchmodem.com>
	<880dece00904040646t5426ccddp6e2b3495116aafa4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090404153959.GA25355@mlsrock.launchmodem.com>

-------- Dotan Cohen 16:46 Sat 04 Apr      --------

>> Why can't you just install the older version and use that for awhile?
>>
>
>I did, but Firefox has no way of declaring that a particular extension
>should _not_ be upgraded. So if I stick with Vimperator 1.2 then I
>cannot update _any_ extensions.

Remove it reinstall.  (A pain, I admit.)

-- 
In a museum in Havana, there are two skulls of Christopher Columbus,
"one when he was a boy and one when he was a man."
		-- Mark Twain

From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Sat Apr  4 10:05:29 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:05:29 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] command-k and the search box (with the toolbar on)
In-Reply-To: <38c3133a0904031809x66fdb8d6sa0937b5ffb0eff39@mail.gmail.com>
References: <38c3133a0904031809x66fdb8d6sa0937b5ffb0eff39@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49D79359.2060606@vimperator.org>

On 04/04/2009 03:09 AM, Ben Atkin wrote:

> How do I make it stay in the search box when I press command-K? Ideally
> I would like to get vimperator to just not interfere with command-K.


Focus handling is quite weird in Firefox, although they are at least
working on a full rewrite of it.

Until then you might have luck with:

:map <C-k> /

which searches the vimperator way.

Not perfect, but i gave up working around firefox focus bugs, if anyone
is interested in a patch, please do it :)

--
Martin

From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Sat Apr  4 10:06:52 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:06:52 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] context sensitive mapping
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0904031733j28102c56vd658ef7c7c53f5c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a420ef190904030727u29229890m1b4408e6f5b1dcea@mail.gmail.com>	<aaae92100904030809j59b6a237j71e8421b67f9a04@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0904031733j28102c56vd658ef7c7c53f5c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49D793AC.5010108@vimperator.org>

On 04/04/2009 02:33 AM, Doug Kearns wrote:

> On 4/4/09, Martin Stubenschrott <maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote: 
> An example using autocommands:
> 
> :au LocationChange .* :silent unmap T
> :au LocationChange www\.google\.com :map T :echo "T"<CR>


So autocommands are always issued in the order they are defined, so this
is guaranteed to work?

From ben at benatkin.com  Sat Apr  4 10:49:03 2009
From: ben at benatkin.com (Ben Atkin)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 10:49:03 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] command-k and the search box (with the toolbar on)
In-Reply-To: <49D79359.2060606@vimperator.org>
References: <38c3133a0904031809x66fdb8d6sa0937b5ffb0eff39@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D79359.2060606@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <38c3133a0904041049k189235a3uc3cadd4027cc27e3@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for your response. This works for Ctrl-K for me, but I'm using a Mac
OS X system and am trying to remap the command key. Do you know how I
represent a command key combination? I tried both <Cmd-k> and <Command-k>
but both are accepted but neither works. I also tried <Cmd-.> and
<Command-.> with the same result.

Also, what I'm looking for isn't a page search but a web search. That's what
Ctrl-K on non-mac platforms and Command-K on mac platforms do. Your example
set me in the right direction, though. I mapped <C-k> to ":open g ".

Perhaps I can just retrain myself to use C-k.

Ben

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Martin Stubenschrott <
stubenschrott at vimperator.org> wrote:

> On 04/04/2009 03:09 AM, Ben Atkin wrote:
>
> > How do I make it stay in the search box when I press command-K? Ideally
> > I would like to get vimperator to just not interfere with command-K.
>
>
> Focus handling is quite weird in Firefox, although they are at least
> working on a full rewrite of it.
>
> Until then you might have luck with:
>
> :map <C-k> /
>
> which searches the vimperator way.
>
> Not perfect, but i gave up working around firefox focus bugs, if anyone
> is interested in a patch, please do it :)
>
> --
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Sat Apr  4 11:46:23 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 20:46:23 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] command-k and the search box (with the toolbar on)
In-Reply-To: <38c3133a0904041049k189235a3uc3cadd4027cc27e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <38c3133a0904031809x66fdb8d6sa0937b5ffb0eff39@mail.gmail.com>	<49D79359.2060606@vimperator.org>
	<38c3133a0904041049k189235a3uc3cadd4027cc27e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49D7AAFF.5040202@vimperator.org>

On 04/04/2009 07:49 PM, Ben Atkin wrote:

> Thanks for your response. This works for Ctrl-K for me, but I'm using a
> Mac OS X system and am trying to remap the command key. Do you know how
> I represent a command key combination? I tried both <Cmd-k> and
> <Command-k> but both are accepted but neither works. I also tried
> <Cmd-.> and <Command-.> with the same result.


If something works, then :map <M-k> (M for meta), but haven't tried.
Please report back. If that doesn't work, we really don't support
mapping command with vimperator yet (and no idea if it actually
could be supported).

From ben at benatkin.com  Sat Apr  4 11:50:26 2009
From: ben at benatkin.com (Ben Atkin)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:50:26 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] command-k and the search box (with the toolbar on)
In-Reply-To: <49D7AAFF.5040202@vimperator.org>
References: <38c3133a0904031809x66fdb8d6sa0937b5ffb0eff39@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D79359.2060606@vimperator.org>
	<38c3133a0904041049k189235a3uc3cadd4027cc27e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D7AAFF.5040202@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <38c3133a0904041150q7df63d9dud7f7f04ce7e9b5ed@mail.gmail.com>

<M-k> does the trick! Thanks.

Might be nice to have a documentation section which shows how to do these
types of key bindings. Not sure where it would go, though.

Ben

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Martin Stubenschrott <
stubenschrott at vimperator.org> wrote:

> On 04/04/2009 07:49 PM, Ben Atkin wrote:
>
> > Thanks for your response. This works for Ctrl-K for me, but I'm using a
> > Mac OS X system and am trying to remap the command key. Do you know how
> > I represent a command key combination? I tried both <Cmd-k> and
> > <Command-k> but both are accepted but neither works. I also tried
> > <Cmd-.> and <Command-.> with the same result.
>
>
> If something works, then :map <M-k> (M for meta), but haven't tried.
> Please report back. If that doesn't work, we really don't support
> mapping command with vimperator yet (and no idea if it actually
> could be supported).
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
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From ben at benatkin.com  Sat Apr  4 11:53:07 2009
From: ben at benatkin.com (Ben Atkin)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:53:07 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] command-k and the search box (with the toolbar on)
In-Reply-To: <38c3133a0904041150q7df63d9dud7f7f04ce7e9b5ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <38c3133a0904031809x66fdb8d6sa0937b5ffb0eff39@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D79359.2060606@vimperator.org>
	<38c3133a0904041049k189235a3uc3cadd4027cc27e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D7AAFF.5040202@vimperator.org>
	<38c3133a0904041150q7df63d9dud7f7f04ce7e9b5ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38c3133a0904041153y52499ect5e25a06d2b99ec60@mail.gmail.com>

I just noticed -- even though it works, the menu bar in OS X still flashes
to indicate that the key combination has been pressed. This might not be
fixable, and probably isn't a big deal anyways.

Ben

On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Ben Atkin <ben at benatkin.com> wrote:

> <M-k> does the trick! Thanks.
>
> Might be nice to have a documentation section which shows how to do these
> types of key bindings. Not sure where it would go, though.
>
> Ben
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Martin Stubenschrott <
> stubenschrott at vimperator.org> wrote:
>
>> On 04/04/2009 07:49 PM, Ben Atkin wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks for your response. This works for Ctrl-K for me, but I'm using a
>> > Mac OS X system and am trying to remap the command key. Do you know how
>> > I represent a command key combination? I tried both <Cmd-k> and
>> > <Command-k> but both are accepted but neither works. I also tried
>> > <Cmd-.> and <Command-.> with the same result.
>>
>>
>> If something works, then :map <M-k> (M for meta), but haven't tried.
>> Please report back. If that doesn't work, we really don't support
>> mapping command with vimperator yet (and no idea if it actually
>> could be supported).
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>
>
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From conrad.irwin at googlemail.com  Sat Apr  4 15:57:23 2009
From: conrad.irwin at googlemail.com (Conrad Irwin)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 23:57:23 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Pause on hinting
Message-ID: <1238885843.4759.12.camel@localhost>

Hi,

It seems that Vimperator adds a 500ms pause before following any hint.

There are two reasons for this, firstly it gives nice visual feedback as
the place you are going to is green; and secondly it means that if the
user types more hint than is necessary the further characters are
ignored.

With experimentation, I find that a value of 200ms is enough to give
both of the above features, (though if we could fix the hint system to
absorb trailing characters, 100ms is enough to see the green flash)
should I reduce this value for everyone to make vimperator feel more
responsive?

If you want to fiddle with the value, modify the 500 on this line.

common/content/hints.js:545
        let timeout = followFirst || events.feedingKeys ? 0 : 500;


Conrad


From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Sat Apr  4 16:11:19 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 01:11:19 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Pause on hinting
In-Reply-To: <1238885843.4759.12.camel@localhost>
References: <1238885843.4759.12.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <49D7E917.8090101@vimperator.org>

On 04/05/2009 12:57 AM, Conrad Irwin wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> It seems that Vimperator adds a 500ms pause before following any hint.
> 
> There are two reasons for this, firstly it gives nice visual feedback as
> the place you are going to is green; and secondly it means that if the
> user types more hint than is necessary the further characters are
> ignored.
> 
> With experimentation, I find that a value of 200ms is enough to give
> both of the above features, (though if we could fix the hint system to
> absorb trailing characters, 100ms is enough to see the green flash)
> should I reduce this value for everyone to make vimperator feel more
> responsive?
> 
> If you want to fiddle with the value, modify the 500 on this line.
> 
> common/content/hints.js:545
>         let timeout = followFirst || events.feedingKeys ? 0 : 500;


I'd rather raise that timeout to 1 second than decreasing it ;)

While both your points are correct, the main reason is really that typing
"fmore" does not raise an :open re    prompt, when "m" makes the link already
unique.

That would be a possible useful option though, although the main reason
that i have not added it yet is that we already have a 'hinttimeout'
and another 'hint'*'timeout' might be confusing.

However, if you manage to let's say follow the link after 100ms but disallow
the input for 1 second (500ms really is just a compromise for the 2 reasons
for this delay), i think that would be the best solution which would improve
both advantages of the delay without adding yet another hint-option.

--
Martin

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Sat Apr  4 17:54:47 2009
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 10:54:47 +1000
Subject: [Vimperator] context sensitive mapping
In-Reply-To: <49D793AC.5010108@vimperator.org>
References: <a420ef190904030727u29229890m1b4408e6f5b1dcea@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904030809j59b6a237j71e8421b67f9a04@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0904031733j28102c56vd658ef7c7c53f5c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D793AC.5010108@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0904041754v58012656s33c1508d4969510@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/5/09, Martin Stubenschrott <stubenschrott at vimperator.org> wrote:
> On 04/04/2009 02:33 AM, Doug Kearns wrote:
>
>  > On 4/4/09, Martin Stubenschrott <maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
>
> > An example using autocommands:
>  >
>  > :au LocationChange .* :silent unmap T
>  > :au LocationChange www\.google\.com :map T :echo "T"<CR>
>
>
>
> So autocommands are always issued in the order they are defined, so this
>  is guaranteed to work?

Yes.

Doug

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sat Apr  4 18:03:28 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 21:03:28 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <880dece00904040229x19751d6n9b1a3a1f67524fc7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9E459AE1A3D044838B4EDF6016E24439@xiaomao>
	<44B79EF0250B4E419C4722439C1D5D34@xiaomao>
	<20090403164452.GO9048@jg.home>
	<880dece00904031408o111b2ed9n23f2a3ec48792598@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090403205124.GP9048@jg.home>
	<880dece00904040229x19751d6n9b1a3a1f67524fc7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090405010328.GS9048@jg.home>

On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 12:29:14PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>Do you have specifics, Kris? Tree Style Tab is essential to my
>workflow, so I am currently without Vimperator until the issue is
>resolved. I will write to the author of TST if you can provide
>details, or it might even be better to not play "broken telephone" and
>have him contact you or Martin directly.

:js styles.removeSheet(true, "tab-binding")

-- 
Kris Maglione

I did say something along the lines of "C makes it easy to shoot
yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows
your whole leg off."
	--Bjarne Stroustrup


From ylmao at mail.ustc.edu.cn  Sat Apr  4 18:30:06 2009
From: ylmao at mail.ustc.edu.cn (Mao Yilu)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 09:30:06 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] wanna a new feature
Message-ID: <438895144.18086@ustc.edu.cn>

Hi, all,

         I wanna a new feature of vimperator. I usually want to select a batch of hyperlinks, and these numbers assigned to these hyperlinks are consecutive. Maybe there will be a new extended hint mode to do this job. Thank you.

 

Mao Yilu

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From jacobchappelle at gmail.com  Sat Apr  4 22:48:21 2009
From: jacobchappelle at gmail.com (Jacob)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 22:48:21 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] [ANN] New Vimperator fork
In-Reply-To: <20090401163000.GP27077@jg.home>
References: <20090401163000.GP27077@jg.home>
Message-ID: <3ec81ae0904042248v4ea37c20n2a49656103fe1218@mail.gmail.com>

Well... I'm glad this was an April Fool's joke...! hahaha..! omg Scheme..?!
SCHEME..?! I thought..... wtf.!? Why don't we just get it over with prolog
and see how many developers are left... haha.... good one...
Jacob


On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm announcing my new Vimperator fork, Vimplosion 1.3. I've lately become
> increasingly agitated with certain aspects of Vimp development, and have
> sought to address them as such:
>
> * Git as an VCS. Git is a new, unproven, difficult to understand  Version
> Control System. I've settled on the time honored, well  understood standard
> of CVS, by switching to Subversion.
>
> * Substandard project hosting. I've decided to move to a  community hub, as
> opposed to private hosting. That means  Google Code, at this point.
>
> * JavaScript. Need I say more? I know it's the language of  FireFox
> extension development, but it's rubbish. I'm actually  taking two steps to
> correct this. First, I've written a Scheme  to JavaScript compiler---in
> JavaScript. The Vimperator code  base will be gradually converted into pure
> scheme. The second  is that I've written an XPCOM component for the Lua
>  interperater, with which I'll experiment for now, perhaps  adopt in full
> later.
>
> * Vim compatibility. Vim is rubbish. It's nice to preserve the  finger feel
> for avid Vim users, but we need to stop there.  Copying bugs is a capitol
> offence.
>
> * Firefox. Vimplosion will run on XulRunner. We'll make no  attempt to
> support other Firefox extensions or UI features.  Extensions should be
> written as Vimplosion plugins, and follow  the Vimplosion UI model. If
> nothing else, this will obviate  some of the more innane feature requests
> and bug reports we  receive.
>
> The fork's temporary URL:
> http://tinyurl.com/7xet5
>
> --
> Kris Maglione
>
> Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not
> sure about the universe.
>        --Albert Einstein
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Vimperator at mozdev.org
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From scott.rostrup at googlemail.com  Sat Apr  4 08:13:56 2009
From: scott.rostrup at googlemail.com (Scott Rostrup)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:13:56 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Bmarks bug firefox 3.1 beta 3
Message-ID: <d16bc1e30904040813v76ae1af5xd77f5489cac9a6f3@mail.gmail.com>

Problem: :bmarks doesn't do anything
System: Firefox 3.1 beta 3, linux
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From michael at sotto.be  Sun Apr  5 04:28:56 2009
From: michael at sotto.be (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBl_Willemot?=)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 13:28:56 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] wanna a new feature
In-Reply-To: <438895144.18086@ustc.edu.cn>
References: <438895144.18086@ustc.edu.cn>
Message-ID: <68dc9e6f0904050428o4a560028nb07fa06c3309cba1@mail.gmail.com>

I've had the same need last week:
I used a macro to work around the missing feature.
qq<C-CR>nq
/keyword
10 at q

(nice side effect :  you can choose max number of opened links)


On 05/04/2009, Mao Yilu <ylmao at mail.ustc.edu.cn> wrote:
> Hi, all,
>
>          I wanna a new feature of vimperator. I usually want to select a
> batch of hyperlinks, and these numbers assigned to these hyperlinks are
> consecutive. Maybe there will be a new extended hint mode to do this job.
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Mao Yilu
>
>


-- 
Micha?l Willemot
michael at sotto.be
http://www.sotto.be

From moneylcj at foxmail.com  Sun Apr  5 05:14:03 2009
From: moneylcj at foxmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?bW9uZXlsY2o=?=)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 20:14:03 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] [SPAM] How can i use use a image as scroll unit when
	moving in	buffer?
Message-ID: <tencent_53C1F7A1433EAFB45B6D3810@qq.com>

It's a good choice to use image as scroll unit when we are browsing web page which contain many iamges. How can i do it with vimperator?
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From dpb at driftaway.org  Sun Apr  5 11:57:13 2009
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 21:57:13 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox crashing,
	extensions not working after 	update to Vimperator 2.0 from 1.2
In-Reply-To: <880dece00904040646t5426ccddp6e2b3495116aafa4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00904030626h4778574cn92b88c53a5b863f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0904030639h3b198d63ve420a522d86cc6ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904030722l428ae4fdu4f7478bc1f9e587f@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0904031714j7d66c65bka83b155b0794c381@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904040233u4db857cdq940f82c8a272b52c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090404120058.GC22156@mlsrock.launchmodem.com>
	<880dece00904040646t5426ccddp6e2b3495116aafa4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230904051157n1020445as90dabb127beccfda@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/4 Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>:
>> Why can't you just install the older version and use that for awhile?
>>
>
> I did, but Firefox has no way of declaring that a particular extension
> should _not_ be upgraded. So if I stick with Vimperator 1.2 then I
> cannot update _any_ extensions.

Install the xpi from vimperator.org, and it wont even suggest an
upgrade. Only using addons.mozilla.org will suggest to upgrade it.

--
Daniel

From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Sun Apr  5 12:05:35 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 21:05:35 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox crashing,
 extensions not working after  update to Vimperator 2.0 from 1.2
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230904051157n1020445as90dabb127beccfda@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00904030626h4778574cn92b88c53a5b863f2@mail.gmail.com>	<644fc65e0904030639h3b198d63ve420a522d86cc6ee@mail.gmail.com>	<880dece00904030722l428ae4fdu4f7478bc1f9e587f@mail.gmail.com>	<644fc65e0904031714j7d66c65bka83b155b0794c381@mail.gmail.com>	<880dece00904040233u4db857cdq940f82c8a272b52c@mail.gmail.com>	<20090404120058.GC22156@mlsrock.launchmodem.com>	<880dece00904040646t5426ccddp6e2b3495116aafa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904051157n1020445as90dabb127beccfda@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49D900FF.4040807@vimperator.org>

On 04/05/2009 08:57 PM, Daniel Bainton wrote:

> Install the xpi from vimperator.org, and it wont even suggest an
> upgrade. Only using addons.mozilla.org will suggest to upgrade it.


That is not right, because:

1.) I moved the download link on the vimperator.org page to the AMo
xpi in the hope to have all download stats combined on AMo's stat
page.

2.) Even if not, it still should suggest updates from AMo, as the
xpi does not have a update url in the install.rdf, then it checks
AMo to see if there are updates for vimperator.

From dpb at driftaway.org  Sun Apr  5 12:08:39 2009
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 22:08:39 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] [ANN] New Vimperator fork
In-Reply-To: <3ec81ae0904042248v4ea37c20n2a49656103fe1218@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090401163000.GP27077@jg.home>
	<3ec81ae0904042248v4ea37c20n2a49656103fe1218@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230904051208w3515cc25k999e45deb82f704a@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/5 Jacob <jacobchappelle at gmail.com>:
> Well... I'm glad this was an April Fool's joke...! hahaha..! omg Scheme..?!
> SCHEME..?! I thought..... wtf.!? Why don't we just get it over with prolog
> and see how many developers are left... haha.... good one...
> Jacob

Please don't start with language-wars here. The same thing can be said
for Javascript too, come on, who sane person would use that... I'm
glad all we developers are mad. :)

--
Daniel

> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm announcing my new Vimperator fork, Vimplosion 1.3. I've lately become
>> increasingly agitated with certain aspects of Vimp development, and have
>> sought to address them as such:
>>
>> * Git as an VCS. Git is a new, unproven, difficult to understand ?Version
>> Control System. I've settled on the time honored, well ?understood standard
>> of CVS, by switching to Subversion.
>>
>> * Substandard project hosting. I've decided to move to a ?community hub,
>> as opposed to private hosting. That means ?Google Code, at this point.
>>
>> * JavaScript. Need I say more? I know it's the language of ?FireFox
>> extension development, but it's rubbish. I'm actually ?taking two steps to
>> correct this. First, I've written a Scheme ?to JavaScript compiler---in
>> JavaScript. The Vimperator code ?base will be gradually converted into pure
>> scheme. The second ?is that I've written an XPCOM component for the Lua
>> ?interperater, with which I'll experiment for now, perhaps ?adopt in full
>> later.
>>
>> * Vim compatibility. Vim is rubbish. It's nice to preserve the ?finger
>> feel for avid Vim users, but we need to stop there. ?Copying bugs is a
>> capitol offence.
>>
>> * Firefox. Vimplosion will run on XulRunner. We'll make no ?attempt to
>> support other Firefox extensions or UI features. ?Extensions should be
>> written as Vimplosion plugins, and follow ?the Vimplosion UI model. If
>> nothing else, this will obviate ?some of the more innane feature requests
>> and bug reports we ?receive.
>>
>> The fork's temporary URL:
>> http://tinyurl.com/7xet5
>>
>> --
>> Kris Maglione
>>
>> Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not
>> sure about the universe.
>> ? ? ? ?--Albert Einstein
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Sun Apr  5 12:09:28 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 21:09:28 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [SPAM] How can i use use a image as scroll unit
 when moving in	buffer?
In-Reply-To: <tencent_53C1F7A1433EAFB45B6D3810@qq.com>
References: <tencent_53C1F7A1433EAFB45B6D3810@qq.com>
Message-ID: <49D901E8.1000001@vimperator.org>

On 04/05/2009 02:14 PM, moneylcj wrote:

> It's a good choice to use image as scroll unit when we are browsing web
> page which contain many iamges. How can i do it with vimperator?


Next to impossible to do in a generic way, especially when dealing with frames.

On the TODO we also have ideas for ]h to go to the next header and such things,
but nobody tried to do it yet, so we don't know how feasible it really is.

I am sure, that could be done with a vimperator plugin as well, so you
might try to get that code running first.

--
Martin

From dpb at driftaway.org  Sun Apr  5 12:17:43 2009
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 22:17:43 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox crashing,
	extensions not working after 	update to Vimperator 2.0 from 1.2
In-Reply-To: <49D900FF.4040807@vimperator.org>
References: <880dece00904030626h4778574cn92b88c53a5b863f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0904030639h3b198d63ve420a522d86cc6ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904030722l428ae4fdu4f7478bc1f9e587f@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0904031714j7d66c65bka83b155b0794c381@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904040233u4db857cdq940f82c8a272b52c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090404120058.GC22156@mlsrock.launchmodem.com>
	<880dece00904040646t5426ccddp6e2b3495116aafa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904051157n1020445as90dabb127beccfda@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D900FF.4040807@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <dd9711230904051217k361c6342wdc2a90cae840b111@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/5 Martin Stubenschrott <stubenschrott at vimperator.org>:
> On 04/05/2009 08:57 PM, Daniel Bainton wrote:
>
>> Install the xpi from vimperator.org, and it wont even suggest an
>> upgrade. Only using addons.mozilla.org will suggest to upgrade it.
>
>
> That is not right, because:
>
> 1.) I moved the download link on the vimperator.org page to the AMo
> xpi in the hope to have all download stats combined on AMo's stat
> page.

Well it IS in the "other versions" link. ;)

> 2.) Even if not, it still should suggest updates from AMo, as the
> xpi does not have a update url in the install.rdf, then it checks
> AMo to see if there are updates for vimperator.
> _______________________________________________
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> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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From moneylcj at foxmail.com  Sun Apr  5 18:51:32 2009
From: moneylcj at foxmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?bW9uZXlsY2o=?=)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 09:51:32 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator can't switch into QuickHintMode when
	multibyte-ime is opening.
Message-ID: <tencent_5B9923D218CB429650B8CD98@qq.com>

Vimperator can't switch into QuickHintMode when multibyte-ime is opening.

I want to switch into QuickHintMode by type 'f' When my
multibyte-ime is opening,but the vimperator has no response
except giving the "Follow Hint:" message on command line.
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From mftian at gmail.com  Sun Apr  5 18:55:40 2009
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 09:55:40 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator can't switch into QuickHintMode when
	multibyte-ime is opening.
In-Reply-To: <tencent_5B9923D218CB429650B8CD98@qq.com>
References: <tencent_5B9923D218CB429650B8CD98@qq.com>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0904051855s6fdde0f7s56f38aa489279259@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/6 moneylcj <moneylcj at foxmail.com>:
> Vimperator can't switch into QuickHintMode when multibyte-ime is opening.
>
> I want to switch into QuickHintMode by type 'f' When my
> multibyte-ime is opening,but the vimperator has no response
> except giving the "Follow Hint:" message on command line.

If the "Follow Hint:" message is in the command line then you are
already in QuickHintMode. Do you mean that the hints are missing?

--Xie

>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>

From moneylcj at foxmail.com  Sun Apr  5 19:49:54 2009
From: moneylcj at foxmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?bW9uZXlsY2o=?=)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:49:54 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator can't switch into QuickHintMode
	whenmultibyte-ime is opening.
Message-ID: <tencent_11A854DE3C3F03A122F9A31A@qq.com>

I typed the unique number which calculated by vimperator after the "Follow Hint:" and then type <Enter>,but there was no response.  
 
 
------------------ Original ------------------
From:  "Xie&Tian"<mftian at gmail.com>;
Date:  Mon, Apr 6, 2009 09:55 AM
To:  "vimperator"<vimperator at mozdev.org>;
Subject:  Re: [Vimperator] Vimperator can't switch into QuickHintMode whenmultibyte-ime is opening.
 
2009/4/6 moneylcj <moneylcj at foxmail.com>:
> Vimperator can't switch into QuickHintMode when multibyte-ime is opening.
>
> I want to switch into QuickHintMode by type 'f' When my
> multibyte-ime is opening,but the vimperator has no response
> except giving the "Follow Hint:" message on command line.

If the "Follow Hint:" message is in the command line then you are
already in QuickHintMode. Do you mean that the hints are missing?

--Xie

>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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>
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From mftian at gmail.com  Sun Apr  5 20:13:16 2009
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 11:13:16 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator can't switch into QuickHintMode
	whenmultibyte-ime is opening.
In-Reply-To: <tencent_11A854DE3C3F03A122F9A31A@qq.com>
References: <tencent_11A854DE3C3F03A122F9A31A@qq.com>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0904052013q1675891aq63cc8d89a301c97c@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/6 moneylcj <moneylcj at foxmail.com>:
> I typed the unique number which calculated by vimperator after the "Follow
> Hint:" and then type <Enter>,but there was no response.

Usually if the right number is typed, <Enter> is not needed because
Vimperator will follow the link automatically. Maybe your IME had
eaten your input and Vimperator got nothing. Under Linux and with some
IMEs on Windows this happens a lot.

-- Xie

>
>
> ------------------ Original ------------------
> From:? "Xie&Tian"<mftian at gmail.com>;
> Date:? Mon, Apr 6, 2009 09:55 AM
> To:? "vimperator"<vimperator at mozdev.org>;
> Subject:? Re: [Vimperator] Vimperator can't switch into QuickHintMode
> whenmultibyte-ime is opening.
>
> 2009/4/6 moneylcj <moneylcj at foxmail.com>:
>> Vimperator can't switch into QuickHintMode when multibyte-ime is opening.
>>
>> I want to switch into QuickHintMode by type 'f' When my
>> multibyte-ime is opening,but the vimperator has no response
>> except giving the "Follow Hint:" message on command line.
>
> If the "Follow Hint:" message is in the command line then you are
> already in QuickHintMode. Do you mean that the hints are missing?
>
> --Xie
>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
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> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>

From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 01:17:43 2009
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:17:43 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Pause on hinting
In-Reply-To: <49D7E917.8090101@vimperator.org>
References: <1238885843.4759.12.camel@localhost>
	<49D7E917.8090101@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <d5baa8100904060117n1aaac821uc23099fe92ec22f6@mail.gmail.com>

hi Conrad

Also note you can do

:set followhints=1

to influence the hint following: if set, the first highlighted link is
followed after hitting return. It is also possible to tab to the next
and then hit return.

In this way a user can decide if it wants to wait and see what is
followed by waiting to hit the return or to hit return right away.
This might be a convenient solution to your problem. Try it out...

regards, Ruud

From dpb at driftaway.org  Mon Apr  6 04:57:13 2009
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 14:57:13 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Smashing
Message-ID: <dd9711230904060457i40e2f9d3ke99b748634fd4ecf@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all!

Now you have a chance to help us a tiny bit, even if you don't know
javascript/xul programming.

I created a temporary wiki page [1] to list all the current bugs for
Vimperator in our trac, that also lists the versions of Vimperator
they relate to. What I'd like to see is this list cleaned, for someone
to test all the pre 2.0 version bugs to see if they still exist in 2.0
or not.

So if there's someone on this list with some spare time that wants to
help us a bit, please go through some of the bugs on that page and
change the version to 2.0 or close them, depending if they're still
valid or not. :)

Thanks!

[1] http://vimperator.org/trac/wiki/BugSmashing

--
Daniel

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Apr  6 07:37:06 2009
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 10:37:06 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] New PATH_SEP stuff makes Vimp2.0 unusable on my OS
 X machine
In-Reply-To: <49D5A88F.4010604@vimperator.org>
References: <49D380B7.3040406@tedpavlic.com>	<49D3816E.8090402@tedpavlic.com>	<aaae92100904010909h38fab4do8c6515bedabcc171@mail.gmail.com>	<20090401161402.GO27077@jg.home>	<49D50C3B.8000009@tedpavlic.com>	<49D50F04.4000607@vimperator.org>	<49D513FC.4010303@tedpavlic.com>	<20090402201810.GF9048@jg.home>	<49D52D8C.1060800@tedpavlic.com>	<B6C0A4C0-ECC1-494B-B667-8D7A5283D7C2@gmail.com>	<20090402211927.GH9048@jg.home>	<49D53138.1040405@tedpavlic.com>
	<49D542FB.2050501@vimperator.org> <49D555CC.3010702@tedpavlic.com>
	<49D5A88F.4010604@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <49DA1392.8030905@tedpavlic.com>

>> git grep PATH_SEP
>> works pretty well too.
> Ah right, but at least in my version, the found string
> is not colored red which it is with the normal "grep"
> although i have set all UI to be colored for git too.

At least with my version (1.6.2.1.214.ge986c, but I haven't upgraded for 
a while),

	git grep --color PATH_SEP

gives the desired result (just as with "normal" grep).

Adding...

[alias]
	gr = grep --color

or...

[color]
	grep = true

to your ~/.gitconfig will make "git gr" (or "git grep", in the latter 
case) give you what you want all the time. Do a "man git-config" and 
search for color.ui for a more interesting option.

(side note: Mercurial has a "defaults" section that allows for 
alias-less per-command defaults. At the moment, git lacks this 
functionality. That being said, provided that it has diff.* and color.* 
configuration sections, there are few other per-command defaults that 
you probably would want to use in your gitconfig without an alias)

	--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

   Please visit my ALS association page:
         http://web.alsa.org/goto/tedpavlic
   My family appreciates your support in the fight to defeat ALS.

From chm.duquesne at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 08:32:44 2009
From: chm.duquesne at gmail.com (Christophe-Marie Duquesne)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:32:44 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Copying rss feed url
Message-ID: <8ccc3510904060832x37234681vf9c50825cd49f05a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Browsing the archive of this ML, I could not find anything but
':pageinfo' for knowing the url of the embedded rss feeds of a page.
Now is there a way to copy this url (or to "click" on the link of the
rss feed?) without the mouse? This would be a great feature...

Cheers,
Christophe-Marie Duquesne

From mftian at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 08:37:30 2009
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 23:37:30 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Copying rss feed url
In-Reply-To: <8ccc3510904060832x37234681vf9c50825cd49f05a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8ccc3510904060832x37234681vf9c50825cd49f05a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0904060837j72d8b120v89a11079e175fad0@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/6 Christophe-Marie Duquesne <chm.duquesne at gmail.com>:
> Hi,
>
> Browsing the archive of this ML, I could not find anything but
> ':pageinfo' for knowing the url of the embedded rss feeds of a page.

You can access the help entry for ':pageinfo' by ":help :pageinfo".

> Now is there a way to copy this url (or to "click" on the link of the
> rss feed?) without the mouse? This would be a great feature...
>
> Cheers,
> Christophe-Marie Duquesne
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From chm.duquesne at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 08:50:24 2009
From: chm.duquesne at gmail.com (Christophe-Marie Duquesne)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:50:24 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Copying rss feed url
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0904060837j72d8b120v89a11079e175fad0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8ccc3510904060832x37234681vf9c50825cd49f05a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904060837j72d8b120v89a11079e175fad0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8ccc3510904060850o19f8735je789071c88921aa4@mail.gmail.com>

Sure, I know that. I am asking if there is a way to copy the rss url.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/4/6 Christophe-Marie Duquesne <chm.duquesne at gmail.com>:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Browsing the archive of this ML, I could not find anything but
>> ':pageinfo' for knowing the url of the embedded rss feeds of a page.
>
> You can access the help entry for ':pageinfo' by ":help :pageinfo".
>
>> Now is there a way to copy this url (or to "click" on the link of the
>> rss feed?) without the mouse? This would be a great feature...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Christophe-Marie Duquesne
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>



-- 
Christophe-Marie Duquesne

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 08:56:25 2009
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:56:25 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Copying rss feed url
In-Reply-To: <8ccc3510904060850o19f8735je789071c88921aa4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8ccc3510904060832x37234681vf9c50825cd49f05a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<a28ffaac0904060837j72d8b120v89a11079e175fad0@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8ccc3510904060850o19f8735je789071c88921aa4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa5421130904060856h1b24c3baxbd61396bc2669f29@mail.gmail.com>

if install another addon is not a problem, try "better greader".

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 17:50, Christophe-Marie Duquesne
<chm.duquesne at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sure, I know that. I am asking if there is a way to copy the rss url.
>
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2009/4/6 Christophe-Marie Duquesne <chm.duquesne at gmail.com>:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Browsing the archive of this ML, I could not find anything but
>>> ':pageinfo' for knowing the url of the embedded rss feeds of a page.
>>
>> You can access the help entry for ':pageinfo' by ":help :pageinfo".
>>
>>> Now is there a way to copy this url (or to "click" on the link of the
>>> rss feed?) without the mouse? This would be a great feature...
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Christophe-Marie Duquesne
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Vimperator mailing list
>>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Christophe-Marie Duquesne
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Mon Apr  6 09:24:22 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 18:24:22 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Copying rss feed url
In-Reply-To: <aa5421130904060856h1b24c3baxbd61396bc2669f29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8ccc3510904060832x37234681vf9c50825cd49f05a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904060837j72d8b120v89a11079e175fad0@mail.gmail.com>
	<8ccc3510904060850o19f8735je789071c88921aa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa5421130904060856h1b24c3baxbd61396bc2669f29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904060924y296e23dav81f58e140c94255c@mail.gmail.com>

Well, maybe you can just select the text and then do a ctrl-v, ctrl-c.

Or maybe Y works to copy the selection there.

To be honest, all main devs just use Linux, which features easy
copy'n paste with selection/middleclick.

If you ask for a way to copy the RSS url easily with keyboard only...
There isn't and probably won't be unless somebody writes a plugin
who does all sorts of copying.

From chm.duquesne at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 09:43:47 2009
From: chm.duquesne at gmail.com (Christophe-Marie Duquesne)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 18:43:47 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Copying rss feed url
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904060924y296e23dav81f58e140c94255c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8ccc3510904060832x37234681vf9c50825cd49f05a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904060837j72d8b120v89a11079e175fad0@mail.gmail.com>
	<8ccc3510904060850o19f8735je789071c88921aa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa5421130904060856h1b24c3baxbd61396bc2669f29@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904060924y296e23dav81f58e140c94255c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8ccc3510904060943y4e07e820vb8cac734d5de7540@mail.gmail.com>

And like all main devs, I use gnu linux too, (I even bet I'm far from
being the only one to use a tiling wm ;) ). I just wanted to know if
that was featured.

Thanks!

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Martin Stubenschrott
<maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
> Well, maybe you can just select the text and then do a ctrl-v, ctrl-c.
>
> Or maybe Y works to copy the selection there.
>
> To be honest, all main devs just use Linux, which features easy
> copy'n paste with selection/middleclick.
>
> If you ask for a way to copy the RSS url easily with keyboard only...
> There isn't and probably won't be unless somebody writes a plugin
> who does all sorts of copying.
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>



-- 
Christophe-Marie Duquesne

From fb at intoxicatedmind.net  Mon Apr  6 13:10:03 2009
From: fb at intoxicatedmind.net (Frank Blendinger)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 22:10:03 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Copying rss feed url
In-Reply-To: <8ccc3510904060943y4e07e820vb8cac734d5de7540@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8ccc3510904060832x37234681vf9c50825cd49f05a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904060837j72d8b120v89a11079e175fad0@mail.gmail.com>
	<8ccc3510904060850o19f8735je789071c88921aa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa5421130904060856h1b24c3baxbd61396bc2669f29@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904060924y296e23dav81f58e140c94255c@mail.gmail.com>
	<8ccc3510904060943y4e07e820vb8cac734d5de7540@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090406201003.GQ4047@intoxicatedmind.net>

Hi.

On Mon 2009-04-06 18:43, Christophe-Marie Duquesne
<chm.duquesne at gmail.com> proclaimed:
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Martin Stubenschrott
> <maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
> > To be honest, all main devs just use Linux, which features easy
> > copy'n paste with selection/middleclick.

Some might still prefer the keyboard. At least I do.


> > If you ask for a way to copy the RSS url easily with keyboard only...
> > There isn't and probably won't be unless somebody writes a plugin
> > who does all sorts of copying.
>
> And like all main devs, I use gnu linux too, (I even bet I'm far from
> being the only one to use a tiling wm ;) ). I just wanted to know if
> that was featured.

:pa and ;F works to open feeds in a new tab. I am wondering why the
other hint modes don't work for the output of :pa.

Still, you could do the ugly :pa ;F gt y d thing...


Greetings,
Frank

-- 
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 13:23:17 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:23:17 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Copying rss feed url
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904060924y296e23dav81f58e140c94255c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8ccc3510904060832x37234681vf9c50825cd49f05a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904060837j72d8b120v89a11079e175fad0@mail.gmail.com>
	<8ccc3510904060850o19f8735je789071c88921aa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa5421130904060856h1b24c3baxbd61396bc2669f29@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904060924y296e23dav81f58e140c94255c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090406202306.GA11905@jg.home>

On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 06:24:22PM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>If you ask for a way to copy the RSS url easily with keyboard only...
>There isn't and probably won't be unless somebody writes a plugin
>who does all sorts of copying.

If the URIs were links (as they probably should be), one could 
just use ;y.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Question with boldness even the existence of God; because if there be
one, He must approve the homage of Reason rather than that of
blindfolded Fear.
	--Thomas Jefferson


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 13:26:18 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:26:18 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Copying rss feed url
In-Reply-To: <20090406202306.GA11905@jg.home>
References: <8ccc3510904060832x37234681vf9c50825cd49f05a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904060837j72d8b120v89a11079e175fad0@mail.gmail.com>
	<8ccc3510904060850o19f8735je789071c88921aa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa5421130904060856h1b24c3baxbd61396bc2669f29@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904060924y296e23dav81f58e140c94255c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090406202306.GA11905@jg.home>
Message-ID: <20090406202618.GB11905@jg.home>

On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 04:23:17PM -0400, Kris Maglione wrote:
> If the URIs were links (as they probably should be), one could just use 
> ;y.

Let me revise that. If template.highlightURL set the href 
attribute properly, one could use ;y.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Part of the reason so many companies continue to develop software
using variations of waterfall is the misconception that the analysis
phase of waterfall completes the design and the rest of the process is
just non-creative execution of programming skills.
	--Steven Gordon


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 21:03:11 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 00:03:11 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Bmarks bug firefox 3.1 beta 3
In-Reply-To: <d16bc1e30904040813v76ae1af5xd77f5489cac9a6f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d16bc1e30904040813v76ae1af5xd77f5489cac9a6f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090407040311.GA6654@jg.home>

On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 11:13:56AM -0400, Scott Rostrup wrote:
>Problem: :bmarks doesn't do anything
>System: Firefox 3.1 beta 3, linux

Works for me.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off.
	--Nigel Calder, former editor of New Scientist


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 21:19:26 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 00:19:26 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Pause on hinting
In-Reply-To: <49D7E917.8090101@vimperator.org>
References: <1238885843.4759.12.camel@localhost>
	<49D7E917.8090101@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <20090407041926.GB6654@jg.home>

On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 01:11:19AM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>While both your points are correct, the main reason is really that typing
>"fmore" does not raise an :open re    prompt, when "m" makes the link already
>unique.

I always stop typing after the first flash (or beep for the more 
aurally wanton of you), so 200ms seems more than enough. One 
second would drive me to really fork.

-- 
Kris Maglione

It's always good to take an orthogonal view of something.  It develops
ideas.
	--Ken Thompson


From gary.katsevman at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 21:18:31 2009
From: gary.katsevman at gmail.com (Gary Katsevman)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 00:18:31 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Pause on hinting
In-Reply-To: <20090407041926.GB6654@jg.home>
References: <1238885843.4759.12.camel@localhost>
	<49D7E917.8090101@vimperator.org> <20090407041926.GB6654@jg.home>
Message-ID: <97265dfa0904062118w45495224ub69301a055ed12c5@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps making it into an option?

(Also, hi, new to the list, but been lurking on IRC for a while as gkatsev)

------------------------
Gary Katsevman
Computer Science Undergraduate
Northeastern University
gkatsev at ccs.neu.edu
gary.katsevman.com



On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 00:19, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 01:11:19AM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>>
>> While both your points are correct, the main reason is really that typing
>> "fmore" does not raise an :open re ? ?prompt, when "m" makes the link
>> already
>> unique.
>
> I always stop typing after the first flash (or beep for the more aurally
> wanton of you), so 200ms seems more than enough. One second would drive me
> to really fork.
>
> --
> Kris Maglione
>
> It's always good to take an orthogonal view of something. ?It develops
> ideas.
> ? ? ? ?--Ken Thompson
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 02:55:41 2009
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 11:55:41 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <20090403164452.GO9048@jg.home>
References: <9E459AE1A3D044838B4EDF6016E24439@xiaomao>
	<44B79EF0250B4E419C4722439C1D5D34@xiaomao>
	<20090403164452.GO9048@jg.home>
Message-ID: <d5baa8100904070255v5627c8cflcee7cf6db1ea0741@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Yes, don't use Tab Mix Plus. Tab Kit or Tab Control will do
> what you need.


Wrong. Tab kit even makes xulrunner-stub eat all my cpu under certain
circumstances.
Maybe some people don't like tab mix plus, _I_ do. Tab Kit and Tab
Control are tab related plugins too, but their functionality is only a
fraction of what tab mix plus offers. They don't do what I need.
I will reenable Tab mix plus even though the tabs are not clickable
anymore, because I like it as much as vimperator. I really really hope
there will come a day that tab mix plus and vimperator don't bite each
other any more.

regards, Ruud

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Tue Apr  7 03:34:49 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:34:49 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <d5baa8100904070255v5627c8cflcee7cf6db1ea0741@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9E459AE1A3D044838B4EDF6016E24439@xiaomao>
	<44B79EF0250B4E419C4722439C1D5D34@xiaomao>
	<20090403164452.GO9048@jg.home>
	<d5baa8100904070255v5627c8cflcee7cf6db1ea0741@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904070334s72153043r8b7abce53be5fc22@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone who uses TMP at least investigated WHY they clash? Seems
it's not a tab numbers problem, but what is it?

From conrad.irwin at googlemail.com  Tue Apr  7 04:23:00 2009
From: conrad.irwin at googlemail.com (Conrad Irwin)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 12:23:00 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904070334s72153043r8b7abce53be5fc22@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9E459AE1A3D044838B4EDF6016E24439@xiaomao>
	<44B79EF0250B4E419C4722439C1D5D34@xiaomao>
	<20090403164452.GO9048@jg.home>
	<d5baa8100904070255v5627c8cflcee7cf6db1ea0741@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904070334s72153043r8b7abce53be5fc22@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1239103380.10126.15.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 12:34 +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
> Has anyone who uses TMP at least investigated WHY they clash? Seems
> it's not a tab numbers problem, but what is it?
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator

Having installed TMP to see what the fuss was about, the only problem I
had (not being able to click on tabs) was solved with:

:js styles.removeSheet(true, "tab-binding")


Conrad



From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Tue Apr  7 04:30:07 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:30:07 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <1239103380.10126.15.camel@localhost>
References: <9E459AE1A3D044838B4EDF6016E24439@xiaomao>
	<44B79EF0250B4E419C4722439C1D5D34@xiaomao>
	<20090403164452.GO9048@jg.home>
	<d5baa8100904070255v5627c8cflcee7cf6db1ea0741@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904070334s72153043r8b7abce53be5fc22@mail.gmail.com>
	<1239103380.10126.15.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904070430g189028b9r5a8f3e72c2a65754@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Conrad Irwin
<conrad.irwin at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Having installed TMP to see what the fuss was about, the only problem I
> had (not being able to click on tabs) was solved with:
>
> :js styles.removeSheet(true, "tab-binding")

Ok, then thank you very much, it IS a numbered tabs problem. I think
we can just workaround it,
by not styles.addSheet("tab-binding") until the user sets go+=[nN].
This would please both
users, "normal" ones which use lots of other extensions but probably
don't use numbered tabs,
and those who really live "inside" vimperator and who enable numbered
tabs but don't care
about TMP etc. as those features are usually superseeded by vimperator anyway.

Thanks for the investigation, I hope to find time the next days, and
might even release a 2.0.1
or 2.1 although we would need more testing of the current development
version to not have
such highly visible bugs again.

From ahlstromcj at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 04:40:33 2009
From: ahlstromcj at gmail.com (Chris Ahlstrom)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:40:33 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <1239103380.10126.15.camel@localhost>
References: <9E459AE1A3D044838B4EDF6016E24439@xiaomao>
	<44B79EF0250B4E419C4722439C1D5D34@xiaomao>
	<20090403164452.GO9048@jg.home>
	<d5baa8100904070255v5627c8cflcee7cf6db1ea0741@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904070334s72153043r8b7abce53be5fc22@mail.gmail.com>
	<1239103380.10126.15.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <20090407114033.GA16760@mlsrock.launchmodem.com>

-------- Conrad Irwin 12:23 Tue 07 Apr      --------

>Having installed TMP to see what the fuss was about, the only problem I
>had (not being able to click on tabs) was solved with:
>
>:js styles.removeSheet(true, "tab-binding")

I have a question that I'm probably about the Nth dolt to have asked:

   Where can I find a printable document that serves as a reference manual
   for all of the vimperator commands and options?

Something I can thumb through at leisure.

Thanks!

-- 
If you laid all of our laws end to end, there would be no end.
		-- Mark Twain

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Tue Apr  7 04:46:49 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:46:49 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <20090407114033.GA16760@mlsrock.launchmodem.com>
References: <9E459AE1A3D044838B4EDF6016E24439@xiaomao>
	<44B79EF0250B4E419C4722439C1D5D34@xiaomao>
	<20090403164452.GO9048@jg.home>
	<d5baa8100904070255v5627c8cflcee7cf6db1ea0741@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904070334s72153043r8b7abce53be5fc22@mail.gmail.com>
	<1239103380.10126.15.camel@localhost>
	<20090407114033.GA16760@mlsrock.launchmodem.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904070446g5f56752n80e026bd228a4772@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromcj at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?Where can I find a printable document that serves as a reference manual
> ?for all of the vimperator commands and options?

if you just want to know the available commands/mappings use :visuage
and :exusage.

Otherwise you have to manually open all *.html files from inside the
XPI and print them.

Doug had a 90% working patch of something like :help all, but i think
he didn't get around
to finish the latest 10%, especially since we were/are not sure about
which doc format
we use internally.

From ahlstromcj at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 04:57:20 2009
From: ahlstromcj at gmail.com (Chris Ahlstrom)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:57:20 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904070446g5f56752n80e026bd228a4772@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9E459AE1A3D044838B4EDF6016E24439@xiaomao>
	<44B79EF0250B4E419C4722439C1D5D34@xiaomao>
	<20090403164452.GO9048@jg.home>
	<d5baa8100904070255v5627c8cflcee7cf6db1ea0741@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904070334s72153043r8b7abce53be5fc22@mail.gmail.com>
	<1239103380.10126.15.camel@localhost>
	<20090407114033.GA16760@mlsrock.launchmodem.com>
	<aaae92100904070446g5f56752n80e026bd228a4772@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090407115720.GA18670@mlsrock.launchmodem.com>

-------- Martin Stubenschrott 13:46 Tue 07 Apr      --------

>On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromcj at gmail.com> wrote:
>> ??Where can I find a printable document that serves as a reference manual
>> ??for all of the vimperator commands and options?
>
>if you just want to know the available commands/mappings use :visuage
>and :exusage.
>
>Otherwise you have to manually open all *.html files from inside the
>XPI and print them.
>
>Doug had a 90% working patch of something like :help all, but i think
>he didn't get around
>to finish the latest 10%, especially since we were/are not sure about
>which doc format
>we use internally.

I've found doxygen to be useful.  It's meant for source code, but you can
also make standalone documents out of it.  It's a form of lightweight
markup, but it can generate one big PDF file (with the help of texlive)
with hyperlinks.

I can send a sample, though I imagine changing doc formats would be no fun.

-- 
The naked truth of it is, I have no shirt.
		-- William Shakespeare, "Love's Labour's Lost"

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 05:19:18 2009
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:19:18 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <20090407115720.GA18670@mlsrock.launchmodem.com>
References: <9E459AE1A3D044838B4EDF6016E24439@xiaomao>
	<44B79EF0250B4E419C4722439C1D5D34@xiaomao>
	<20090403164452.GO9048@jg.home>
	<d5baa8100904070255v5627c8cflcee7cf6db1ea0741@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904070334s72153043r8b7abce53be5fc22@mail.gmail.com>
	<1239103380.10126.15.camel@localhost>
	<20090407114033.GA16760@mlsrock.launchmodem.com>
	<aaae92100904070446g5f56752n80e026bd228a4772@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090407115720.GA18670@mlsrock.launchmodem.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00904070519s3d24347asfcf229b3934d6d9c@mail.gmail.com>

> I've found doxygen to be useful. ?It's meant for source code, but you can
> also make standalone documents out of it. ?It's a form of lightweight
> markup, but it can generate one big PDF file (with the help of texlive)
> with hyperlinks.
>
> I can send a sample, though I imagine changing doc formats would be no fun.
>

I would also like to suggest markdown, which has the advantage of
retaining it's formatting in ASCII format:
http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/

There are parsers for it in most programming languages (the original
is in Perl, but there are ports to Python, PHP, and many other
languages) to export Markdown to HTML, PDF, ODF, DOC, LaTeX, and
countless others.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

From vimperator at vanhoecke.org  Tue Apr  7 06:16:51 2009
From: vimperator at vanhoecke.org (Guido Van Hoecke)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:16:51 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <1239103380.10126.15.camel@localhost>
References: <9E459AE1A3D044838B4EDF6016E24439@xiaomao><44B79EF0250B4E419C4722439C1D5D34@xiaomao><20090403164452.GO9048@jg.home><d5baa8100904070255v5627c8cflcee7cf6db1ea0741@mail.gmail.com><aaae92100904070334s72153043r8b7abce53be5fc22@mail.gmail.com>
	<1239103380.10126.15.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <49DB5243.3090900@vanhoecke.org>

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Conrad Irwin wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 12:34 +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>> Has anyone who uses TMP at least investigated WHY they clash? Seems
>> it's not a tab numbers problem, but what is it?
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
> Having installed TMP to see what the fuss was about, the only problem I
> had (not being able to click on tabs) was solved with:
>
> :js styles.removeSheet(true, "tab-binding")

There is also a problem with appearance of close tab buttons. When tmp
and vimp are both enabled, they do not appear. With only one of them
(either tmp or vimp) the tab close buttons do appear. I thought that I
needed to mention this conflict. (I don??t suffer from it. When I do want
to close a tab with the mouse, I use a middle-click, so no prob.)

Guido

- --
Beware of a tall black man with one blond shoe.

http://vanhoecke.org ... and go2 places!

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From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 06:25:49 2009
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:25:49 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <49DB5243.3090900@vanhoecke.org>
References: <9E459AE1A3D044838B4EDF6016E24439@xiaomao>
	<44B79EF0250B4E419C4722439C1D5D34@xiaomao>
	<20090403164452.GO9048@jg.home>
	<d5baa8100904070255v5627c8cflcee7cf6db1ea0741@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904070334s72153043r8b7abce53be5fc22@mail.gmail.com>
	<1239103380.10126.15.camel@localhost> <49DB5243.3090900@vanhoecke.org>
Message-ID: <d5baa8100904070625v60678260i9c8de94a0758cf0b@mail.gmail.com>

And there is another thing concerning tmp that keeps bothering me
since I have installed the latest vimperator:

when I have many tabs open so that they don't fit on one tab bar row,
they are not showed anymore, although I have enabled 'multiple rows'.
This was no problem with vimp 1.2.
I have not dived into it; can other tmp users confirm this behaviour?

regards, Ruud

From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 06:29:30 2009
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:29:30 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <d5baa8100904070625v60678260i9c8de94a0758cf0b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9E459AE1A3D044838B4EDF6016E24439@xiaomao>
	<44B79EF0250B4E419C4722439C1D5D34@xiaomao>
	<20090403164452.GO9048@jg.home>
	<d5baa8100904070255v5627c8cflcee7cf6db1ea0741@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904070334s72153043r8b7abce53be5fc22@mail.gmail.com>
	<1239103380.10126.15.camel@localhost> <49DB5243.3090900@vanhoecke.org>
	<d5baa8100904070625v60678260i9c8de94a0758cf0b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d5baa8100904070629t9f2fa1dqc0d3a5bce86b15d5@mail.gmail.com>

> when I have many tabs open so that they don't fit on one tab bar row,
> they are not showed anymore, although I have enabled 'multiple rows'.\

This should be: only tabs that fit on the first row are showed. New
tabs are not showed anymore.

Ruud

From conrad.irwin at googlemail.com  Tue Apr  7 06:29:46 2009
From: conrad.irwin at googlemail.com (Conrad Irwin)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:29:46 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <49DB5243.3090900@vanhoecke.org>
References: <9E459AE1A3D044838B4EDF6016E24439@xiaomao>
	<44B79EF0250B4E419C4722439C1D5D34@xiaomao><20090403164452.GO9048@jg.home>
	<d5baa8100904070255v5627c8cflcee7cf6db1ea0741@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904070334s72153043r8b7abce53be5fc22@mail.gmail.com>
	<1239103380.10126.15.camel@localhost> <49DB5243.3090900@vanhoecke.org>
Message-ID: <1239110986.10126.23.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 15:16 +0200, Guido Van Hoecke wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Conrad Irwin wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 12:34 +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
> >> Has anyone who uses TMP at least investigated WHY they clash? Seems
> >> it's not a tab numbers problem, but what is it?
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Vimperator mailing list
> >> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> >> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> >
> > Having installed TMP to see what the fuss was about, the only problem I
> > had (not being able to click on tabs) was solved with:
> >
> > :js styles.removeSheet(true, "tab-binding")
> 
> There is also a problem with appearance of close tab buttons. When tmp
> and vimp are both enabled, they do not appear. With only one of them
> (either tmp or vimp) the tab close buttons do appear. I thought that I
> needed to mention this conflict. (I don??t suffer from it. When I do want
> to close a tab with the mouse, I use a middle-click, so no prob.)
> 
> Guido
> 

Also fixed by 

:js styles.removeSheet(true, "tab-binding")

Conrad


From conrad.irwin at googlemail.com  Tue Apr  7 06:30:08 2009
From: conrad.irwin at googlemail.com (Conrad Irwin)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:30:08 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <d5baa8100904070625v60678260i9c8de94a0758cf0b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9E459AE1A3D044838B4EDF6016E24439@xiaomao>
	<44B79EF0250B4E419C4722439C1D5D34@xiaomao>
	<20090403164452.GO9048@jg.home>
	<d5baa8100904070255v5627c8cflcee7cf6db1ea0741@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904070334s72153043r8b7abce53be5fc22@mail.gmail.com>
	<1239103380.10126.15.camel@localhost> <49DB5243.3090900@vanhoecke.org>
	<d5baa8100904070625v60678260i9c8de94a0758cf0b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1239111008.10126.24.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 15:25 +0200, ruud grosmann wrote:
> And there is another thing concerning tmp that keeps bothering me
> since I have installed the latest vimperator:
> 
> when I have many tabs open so that they don't fit on one tab bar row,
> they are not showed anymore, although I have enabled 'multiple rows'.
> This was no problem with vimp 1.2.
> I have not dived into it; can other tmp users confirm this behaviour?
> 
> regards, Ruud

Also fixed by

:js styles.removeSheet(true, "tab-binding")

and then closing or opening a tab.

Conrad


From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 07:56:48 2009
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:56:48 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox crashing,
	extensions not working after 	update to Vimperator 2.0 from 1.2
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230904051217k361c6342wdc2a90cae840b111@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00904030626h4778574cn92b88c53a5b863f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0904030639h3b198d63ve420a522d86cc6ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904030722l428ae4fdu4f7478bc1f9e587f@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0904031714j7d66c65bka83b155b0794c381@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904040233u4db857cdq940f82c8a272b52c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090404120058.GC22156@mlsrock.launchmodem.com>
	<880dece00904040646t5426ccddp6e2b3495116aafa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904051157n1020445as90dabb127beccfda@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D900FF.4040807@vimperator.org>
	<dd9711230904051217k361c6342wdc2a90cae840b111@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00904070756u29417e6cq29e32ce7a3b3a8af@mail.gmail.com>

Some more info. This is what I get when I start Firefox with Vimperator 2.0:
(firefox:19406): atk-bridge-WARNING **: AT_SPI_REGISTRY was not
started at session startup.

(firefox:19406): atk-bridge-WARNING **: IOR not set.

(firefox:19406): atk-bridge-WARNING **: Could not locate registry

(firefox:19406): atk-bridge-WARNING **: AT_SPI_REGISTRY was not
started at session startup.

(firefox:19406): atk-bridge-WARNING **: IOR not set.

(firefox:19406): atk-bridge-WARNING **: Could not locate registry
** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
Segmentation fault
$


Firefox stays open for about 10 seconds, then crashes. This is
reliable whether I start clicking on things and using the browser or
just let it sit there open. These are my extensions:

All-in-One Sidebar
AutoAuth
CookieCuller
FireGestures
Flashblock
Link Alert
Locationbar Limit
Locationbar2
Menu Editor
No Squint
OpenBook
repagination
Scrapbook
Stylish
Tab History
TagSifter
Tiny Menu
Tree Style Tabs
Web Developer
Wired-Marker

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Tue Apr  7 08:07:17 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 17:07:17 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox crashing,
	extensions not working after 	update to Vimperator 2.0 from 1.2
In-Reply-To: <880dece00904070756u29417e6cq29e32ce7a3b3a8af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00904030626h4778574cn92b88c53a5b863f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904030722l428ae4fdu4f7478bc1f9e587f@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0904031714j7d66c65bka83b155b0794c381@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904040233u4db857cdq940f82c8a272b52c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090404120058.GC22156@mlsrock.launchmodem.com>
	<880dece00904040646t5426ccddp6e2b3495116aafa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904051157n1020445as90dabb127beccfda@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D900FF.4040807@vimperator.org>
	<dd9711230904051217k361c6342wdc2a90cae840b111@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904070756u29417e6cq29e32ce7a3b3a8af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904070807n13080fbesf3fdc1b40b5fb5d5@mail.gmail.com>

There doesn't seem to be a hint to vimperator in this log. I also have
seen such crashes occasionally, and usually deleting sessionstore.*
from your firefox profile helps.
Please try that, or even a new profile. If that's too much work, try
at least to disable vimperator, and see if the crashes go away/start
again when vimp is disabled.

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 08:26:25 2009
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:26:25 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox crashing,
	extensions not working after 	update to Vimperator 2.0 from 1.2
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904070807n13080fbesf3fdc1b40b5fb5d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00904030626h4778574cn92b88c53a5b863f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0904031714j7d66c65bka83b155b0794c381@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904040233u4db857cdq940f82c8a272b52c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090404120058.GC22156@mlsrock.launchmodem.com>
	<880dece00904040646t5426ccddp6e2b3495116aafa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904051157n1020445as90dabb127beccfda@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D900FF.4040807@vimperator.org>
	<dd9711230904051217k361c6342wdc2a90cae840b111@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904070756u29417e6cq29e32ce7a3b3a8af@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904070807n13080fbesf3fdc1b40b5fb5d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00904070826q45b76c5fi4528210e07a1ada3@mail.gmail.com>

> There doesn't seem to be a hint to vimperator in this log. I also have
> seen such crashes occasionally, and usually deleting sessionstore.*
> from your firefox profile helps.

Thank you, Martin, deleting the sessionstore file helped.

> Please try that, or even a new profile. If that's too much work, try
> at least to disable vimperator, and see if the crashes go away/start
> again when vimp is disabled.

At the time, disabling Vimperator was the only way to use Firefox.
That is why I pinned the blame on Vimperator!

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 08:30:36 2009
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:30:36 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <20090405010328.GS9048@jg.home>
References: <9E459AE1A3D044838B4EDF6016E24439@xiaomao>
	<44B79EF0250B4E419C4722439C1D5D34@xiaomao>
	<20090403164452.GO9048@jg.home>
	<880dece00904031408o111b2ed9n23f2a3ec48792598@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090403205124.GP9048@jg.home>
	<880dece00904040229x19751d6n9b1a3a1f67524fc7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090405010328.GS9048@jg.home>
Message-ID: <880dece00904070830o4d12b933pf6a8673aa4cb73a3@mail.gmail.com>

> :js styles.removeSheet(true, "tab-binding")
>

While this helps with the tab display issues, I still do not get the
hierarchy arrows in Tree Style Tab. Thus, if a hierarchy is collapsed
then I have no visual indicator that there are tabs under the current
tab. This is a Big Deal? for my workflow. Is there a workaround / fix?

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

From conrad.irwin at googlemail.com  Tue Apr  7 09:51:16 2009
From: conrad.irwin at googlemail.com (Conrad Irwin)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:51:16 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <880dece00904070830o4d12b933pf6a8673aa4cb73a3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9E459AE1A3D044838B4EDF6016E24439@xiaomao>
	<44B79EF0250B4E419C4722439C1D5D34@xiaomao>
	<20090403164452.GO9048@jg.home>
	<880dece00904031408o111b2ed9n23f2a3ec48792598@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090403205124.GP9048@jg.home>
	<880dece00904040229x19751d6n9b1a3a1f67524fc7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090405010328.GS9048@jg.home>
	<880dece00904070830o4d12b933pf6a8673aa4cb73a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1239123076.10126.83.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 18:30 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > :js styles.removeSheet(true, "tab-binding")
> >
> 
> While this helps with the tab display issues, I still do not get the
> hierarchy arrows in Tree Style Tab. Thus, if a hierarchy is collapsed
> then I have no visual indicator that there are tabs under the current
> tab. This is a Big Deal? for my workflow. Is there a workaround / fix?
> 

Interestingly enough, this seems to only be a problem with all three of
Tree Style Tab, Tab Mix Plus and Vimperator (for me anyway). TST+vimp
works, TST+TMP works, TST+TMP+Vimp doesn't.

Conrad


From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 10:42:45 2009
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 20:42:45 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug Report: Vimperator and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <1239123076.10126.83.camel@localhost>
References: <9E459AE1A3D044838B4EDF6016E24439@xiaomao>
	<44B79EF0250B4E419C4722439C1D5D34@xiaomao>
	<20090403164452.GO9048@jg.home>
	<880dece00904031408o111b2ed9n23f2a3ec48792598@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090403205124.GP9048@jg.home>
	<880dece00904040229x19751d6n9b1a3a1f67524fc7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090405010328.GS9048@jg.home>
	<880dece00904070830o4d12b933pf6a8673aa4cb73a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1239123076.10126.83.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <880dece00904071042r476d6790w8e67ffd09ebe46ce@mail.gmail.com>

> Interestingly enough, this seems to only be a problem with all three of
> Tree Style Tab, Tab Mix Plus and Vimperator (for me anyway). TST+vimp
> works, TST+TMP works, TST+TMP+Vimp doesn't.
>

No, Conrad, I do not have Tab Mix Plus installed, yet I still have the
issue with the hierarchy indicators of Tree Style Tab.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 12:06:01 2009
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:06:01 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Possible error in release notes
Message-ID: <880dece00904071206q7d5cb412w4c395e3d49a5d463@mail.gmail.com>

In the Vimperator 2.0 release notes it is stated:
add "r", "l", and "b" to 'guioptions' to toggle the scrollbars.

However, the command ":set go+=l" returns this error:
E474: Invalid argument: l

Should that be only "r" and "b", which return the Right and Bottom scrollbars?

By the way, I typed ":help go" at the CLI to find help for the GUI
Options, but that brought me to the go command. So some improvement in
this regard (where the help command takes the user) would be nice.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Tue Apr  7 12:41:30 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:41:30 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Possible error in release notes
In-Reply-To: <880dece00904071206q7d5cb412w4c395e3d49a5d463@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00904071206q7d5cb412w4c395e3d49a5d463@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49DBAC6A.9050008@vimperator.org>

On 04/07/2009 09:06 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:

> In the Vimperator 2.0 release notes it is stated:
> add "r", "l", and "b" to 'guioptions' to toggle the scrollbars.
> 
> However, the command ":set go+=l" returns this error:
> E474: Invalid argument: l
> 
> Should that be only "r" and "b", which return the Right and Bottom scrollbars?

Probably. I have not written that code, though.

> By the way, I typed ":help go" at the CLI to find help for the GUI
> Options, but that brought me to the go command. So some improvement in
> this regard (where the help command takes the user) would be nice.

No, that's 100% the expected behavior, as there exists a "go" mapping.
If you just want to search options, do a :help 'go'.

If there is no command labelled "go', we still open the help for the
option 'go', so that's really a feature, not a bug.

--
Martin


From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 12:44:01 2009
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:44:01 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Possible error in release notes
In-Reply-To: <49DBAC6A.9050008@vimperator.org>
References: <880dece00904071206q7d5cb412w4c395e3d49a5d463@mail.gmail.com>
	<49DBAC6A.9050008@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <880dece00904071244i137252beh514c890dd3c0f759@mail.gmail.com>

> No, that's 100% the expected behavior, as there exists a "go" mapping.
> If you just want to search options, do a :help 'go'.
>
> If there is no command labelled "go', we still open the help for the
> option 'go', so that's really a feature, not a bug.
>

So, if the user wants to open the help for ":set go+=*" how should he do that?

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 12:54:33 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:54:33 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Possible error in release notes
In-Reply-To: <880dece00904071206q7d5cb412w4c395e3d49a5d463@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00904071206q7d5cb412w4c395e3d49a5d463@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090407195433.GC6654@jg.home>

On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:06:01PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>However, the command ":set go+=l" returns this error:
>E474: Invalid argument: l

No, you can only have l or r, not both.

-- 
Kris Maglione

If you think your management doesn't know what it's doing or that your
organisation turns out low-quality software crap that embarrasses you,
then leave.
	--Edward Yourdon


From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 12:46:56 2009
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:46:56 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Possible error in release notes
In-Reply-To: <20090407195433.GC6654@jg.home>
References: <880dece00904071206q7d5cb412w4c395e3d49a5d463@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090407195433.GC6654@jg.home>
Message-ID: <880dece00904071246i755a9138wcb7e36cf96897a99@mail.gmail.com>

> No, you can only have l or r, not both.
>

Some Hebrew websites have the scrollbar on the left side, not the right side.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 13:02:19 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 16:02:19 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Possible error in release notes
In-Reply-To: <880dece00904071246i755a9138wcb7e36cf96897a99@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00904071206q7d5cb412w4c395e3d49a5d463@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090407195433.GC6654@jg.home>
	<880dece00904071246i755a9138wcb7e36cf96897a99@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090407200219.GD6654@jg.home>

On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:46:56PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>Some Hebrew websites have the scrollbar on the left side, not the right side.

Firefox, by default, places the scrollbar depending on the 
direction of the content text. With Vimperator 2.0+ running, it 
should be placed depending on the value of 'go', regardless.

-- 
Kris Maglione

A programmer is a person who passes as an exacting expert on the basis
of being able to turn out, after innumerable punching, an infinite
series of incomprehensive answers calculated with micrometric
precisions from vague assumptions based on debatable figures taken
from inconclusive documents and carried out on instruments of
problematical accuracy by persons of dubious reliability and
questionable mentality for the avowed purpose of annoying and
confounding a hopelessly defenseless department that was unfortunate
enough to ask for the information in the first place.
	--IEEE Grid newsmagazine


From ginkgo_w at yahoo.com.cn  Tue Apr  7 18:44:15 2009
From: ginkgo_w at yahoo.com.cn (ginkgo_w)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:44:15 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Possible error in release notes
In-Reply-To: <880dece00904071206q7d5cb412w4c395e3d49a5d463@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00904071206q7d5cb412w4c395e3d49a5d463@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49DC016F.3060601@yahoo.com.cn>

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> In the Vimperator 2.0 release notes it is stated:
> add "r", "l", and "b" to 'guioptions' to toggle the scrollbars.
> 
> However, the command ":set go+=l" returns this error:
> E474: Invalid argument: l
> 
> Should that be only "r" and "b", which return the Right and Bottom scrollbars?
> 
> By the way, I typed ":help go" at the CLI to find help for the GUI
> Options, but that brought me to the go command. So some improvement in
> this regard (where the help command takes the user) would be nice.
> 
help 'go' will give you want


From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 19:06:23 2009
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 05:06:23 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Possible error in release notes
In-Reply-To: <49DC016F.3060601@yahoo.com.cn>
References: <880dece00904071206q7d5cb412w4c395e3d49a5d463@mail.gmail.com>
	<49DC016F.3060601@yahoo.com.cn>
Message-ID: <880dece00904071906g2b3ee8a9sb781503bf84c7283@mail.gmail.com>

> help 'go' will give you want
>

Nice, thanks!

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

From mftian at gmail.com  Wed Apr  8 01:45:10 2009
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 16:45:10 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Chinese translation of Vimperator docs is finished
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0904080138w172b7265k8f0b213aadd567ef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0903300927w6f913138q7ad5148984d042af@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090331001611.GJ27077@jg.home>
	<a28ffaac0903301750r53193a4fud7053f805394cc32@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090331010423.GK27077@jg.home>
	<a28ffaac0904080138w172b7265k8f0b213aadd567ef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0904080145g7c9cda7rc0bde2c112fd2dd0@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/8 Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com>:
> 2009/3/31 Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com>:
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 08:50:15AM +0800, Xie&Tian wrote:
>>>
>>> erf ... Kris, did you forget the attachment?
>>
>> No, long story. This is my third try, and was supposed to say:
>>
>> See liberator.git/contrib/
>
> Hi Kris
>
> Thanks for your "asciidoc" file but unfortunately it didn't work. I
> digged a little bit on Asciidoc and hacked it myself. The attached
> python file successfully compiled the translated docs and should work
> fine with the unicode issue.
>
>
> -- Xie
>
>>
>> --
>> Kris Maglione
>>
>> A program that produces incorrect results twice as fast is infinitely
>> slower.
>> ? ? ? ?--John Osterhout
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>

My hack is based on Asciidoc v8.2.7. It seems it's been blocked by the
mailing list. I attached the patch file instead.
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From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Apr  8 02:10:10 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:10:10 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Chinese translation of Vimperator docs is finished
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0904080145g7c9cda7rc0bde2c112fd2dd0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0903300927w6f913138q7ad5148984d042af@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090331001611.GJ27077@jg.home>
	<a28ffaac0903301750r53193a4fud7053f805394cc32@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090331010423.GK27077@jg.home>
	<a28ffaac0904080138w172b7265k8f0b213aadd567ef@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904080145g7c9cda7rc0bde2c112fd2dd0@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com> wrote:
> My hack is based on Asciidoc v8.2.7. It seems it's been blocked by the
> mailing list. I attached the patch file instead.

Did you talk to the asciidoc maintainers? Might be nice to have such a patch
upstream.

And since you seem to know how to program, do you want to code support
for ~/.vimperator/doc/*.html in vimperator, so distribution of localized doc
files becomes easier? :) I am not sure if we really need a ~/.vimperator/doc/cn/
sub-directory, do people really want different locales on one installation?

--
Martin

From mftian at gmail.com  Wed Apr  8 02:57:27 2009
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:57:27 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Chinese translation of Vimperator docs is finished
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904080210u4829002dn676239017410476c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0903300927w6f913138q7ad5148984d042af@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090331001611.GJ27077@jg.home>
	<a28ffaac0903301750r53193a4fud7053f805394cc32@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090331010423.GK27077@jg.home>
	<a28ffaac0904080138w172b7265k8f0b213aadd567ef@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904080145g7c9cda7rc0bde2c112fd2dd0@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904080210u4829002dn676239017410476c@mail.gmail.com>
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2009/4/8 Martin Stubenschrott <maxauthority at vimperator.org>:
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> My hack is based on Asciidoc v8.2.7. It seems it's been blocked by the
>> mailing list. I attached the patch file instead.
>
> Did you talk to the asciidoc maintainers? Might be nice to have such a patch
> upstream.
>
> And since you seem to know how to program, do you want to code support
> for ~/.vimperator/doc/*.html in vimperator, so distribution of localized doc
> files becomes easier? :) I am not sure if we really need a ~/.vimperator/doc/cn/
> sub-directory, do people really want different locales on one installation?

I'm planning to add a command ":installdoc" to ease to installation of
localized documentation. I hope the patch would be available in a
week.

On the other hand, the zipped zh-CN docs package is about 175kb. After
"make xpi", the generated vimperator xpi file(with English and Chinese
docs) is about 730kb. Since a lot of addons are over 1mb in size, I
don't think one xpi with multiple locales is a problem.

-- Xie

>
> --
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Apr  8 03:14:00 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 12:14:00 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Chinese translation of Vimperator docs is finished
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0904080257m3ca4dd50y856a9e3c47906abf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0903300927w6f913138q7ad5148984d042af@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090331001611.GJ27077@jg.home>
	<a28ffaac0903301750r53193a4fud7053f805394cc32@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090331010423.GK27077@jg.home>
	<a28ffaac0904080138w172b7265k8f0b213aadd567ef@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904080145g7c9cda7rc0bde2c112fd2dd0@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904080210u4829002dn676239017410476c@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904080257m3ca4dd50y856a9e3c47906abf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904080314i33ed6471y8091a1a4a29ceeca@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm planning to add a command ":installdoc" to ease to installation of
> localized documentation. I hope the patch would be available in a
> week.

I am not sure what that command does, but wouldn't be unzipping chinese-docs.zip
to ~/.vimperator/doc/ be good enough?

> On the other hand, the zipped zh-CN docs package is about 175kb. After
> "make xpi", the generated vimperator xpi file(with English and Chinese
> docs) is about 730kb. Since a lot of addons are over 1mb in size, I
> don't think one xpi with multiple locales is a problem.

It is not a problem now, but maybe in future we'll have japanese, german,
french etc. localization, and imagine having just 10 localized versions
would proabably make a 5MB XPI out of 200KB source code (and 150KB english
docs).

Another problem might be that user contributed localized docs can quickly
become out of date or are unfinished. Therefore I think there are many
users which use a localized Firefox, as that's usually of great quality and
up to date, people might just prefer an English vimperator with up-to-date
and complete docs over localized versions of the docs. With the manual
install process of vimperator docs, the user keeps full control which language
he prefers.

From mftian at gmail.com  Wed Apr  8 04:34:43 2009
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 19:34:43 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Chinese translation of Vimperator docs is finished
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904080314i33ed6471y8091a1a4a29ceeca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0903300927w6f913138q7ad5148984d042af@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090331001611.GJ27077@jg.home>
	<a28ffaac0903301750r53193a4fud7053f805394cc32@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090331010423.GK27077@jg.home>
	<a28ffaac0904080138w172b7265k8f0b213aadd567ef@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904080145g7c9cda7rc0bde2c112fd2dd0@mail.gmail.com>
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	<aaae92100904080314i33ed6471y8091a1a4a29ceeca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0904080434y31ef47eu1a96d804463da815@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/8 Martin Stubenschrott <maxauthority at vimperator.org>:
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm planning to add a command ":installdoc" to ease to installation of
>> localized documentation. I hope the patch would be available in a
>> week.
>
> I am not sure what that command does, but wouldn't be unzipping chinese-docs.zip
> to ~/.vimperator/doc/ be good enough?
>
>> On the other hand, the zipped zh-CN docs package is about 175kb. After
>> "make xpi", the generated vimperator xpi file(with English and Chinese
>> docs) is about 730kb. Since a lot of addons are over 1mb in size, I
>> don't think one xpi with multiple locales is a problem.
>
> It is not a problem now, but maybe in future we'll have japanese, german,
> french etc. localization, and imagine having just 10 localized versions
> would proabably make a 5MB XPI out of 200KB source code (and 150KB english
> docs).
>
> Another problem might be that user contributed localized docs can quickly
> become out of date or are unfinished. Therefore I think there are many
> users which use a localized Firefox, as that's usually of great quality and
> up to date, people might just prefer an English vimperator with up-to-date
> and complete docs over localized versions of the docs. With the manual
> install process of vimperator docs, the user keeps full control which language
> he prefers.

That's right, and there will always be some lost of information during
translation. Users who use a localized Firefox may want to switch back
to English Vimperator docs temporarily for a particular help entry.
This is where manually installed localized docs could be helpful,
because the Firefox localization mechanism wouldn't allow this.

I sugguest that the 'helpfile' option be used to indicate the locale
of docs. The possible values of 'helpfile' option depends on
":installdoc" command. The entrance file of help docs should always be
"intro.html".

":installdoc" does two things:
 1. unzip the downloaded docs to the right directory
 2. register the installed locale so that it's available to 'helpfile' option
(maybe with [!], it could uninstall the specified docs)

By default, "helpfile" would be "en".

> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Apr  8 08:27:42 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:27:42 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Chinese translation of Vimperator docs is finished
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0904080434y31ef47eu1a96d804463da815@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0903300927w6f913138q7ad5148984d042af@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090331001611.GJ27077@jg.home>
	<a28ffaac0903301750r53193a4fud7053f805394cc32@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090331010423.GK27077@jg.home>
	<a28ffaac0904080138w172b7265k8f0b213aadd567ef@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904080145g7c9cda7rc0bde2c112fd2dd0@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904080210u4829002dn676239017410476c@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904080257m3ca4dd50y856a9e3c47906abf@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904080314i33ed6471y8091a1a4a29ceeca@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904080434y31ef47eu1a96d804463da815@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090408152742.GA19587@jg.home>

On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 07:34:43PM +0800, Xie&Tian wrote:
>":installdoc" does two things:
> 1. unzip the downloaded docs to the right directory
> 2. register the installed locale so that it's available to 'helpfile' option
>(maybe with [!], it could uninstall the specified docs)
>
>By default, "helpfile" would be "en".

I'd prefer :h -lang=en-US ...

The default should probably be from 'locale', which should 
probably default to Firefox's locale.

-- 
Kris Maglione

UNIX is simple.  It just takes a genius to understand its simplicity.
	--Dennis Ritchie


From mftian at gmail.com  Wed Apr  8 08:47:51 2009
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 23:47:51 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Chinese translation of Vimperator docs is finished
In-Reply-To: <20090408152742.GA19587@jg.home>
References: <a28ffaac0903300927w6f913138q7ad5148984d042af@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0903301750r53193a4fud7053f805394cc32@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090331010423.GK27077@jg.home>
	<a28ffaac0904080138w172b7265k8f0b213aadd567ef@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904080145g7c9cda7rc0bde2c112fd2dd0@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904080210u4829002dn676239017410476c@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904080257m3ca4dd50y856a9e3c47906abf@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904080314i33ed6471y8091a1a4a29ceeca@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904080434y31ef47eu1a96d804463da815@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090408152742.GA19587@jg.home>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0904080847i408516ecwe053880f3235b81b@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/8 Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com>:
> On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 07:34:43PM +0800, Xie&Tian wrote:
>>
>> ":installdoc" does two things:
>> 1. unzip the downloaded docs to the right directory
>> 2. register the installed locale so that it's available to 'helpfile'
>> option
>> (maybe with [!], it could uninstall the specified docs)
>>
>> By default, "helpfile" would be "en".
>
> I'd prefer :h -lang=en-US ...
>
> The default should probably be from 'locale', which should probably default
> to Firefox's locale.

Year, perhaps another option 'locale' or 'lang' is better for this job.

For standard Vimperator xpi, the documentations are in English and no
localized docs would be shipped with it. "en" is the only available
value in that case.

>
> --
> Kris Maglione
>
> UNIX is simple. ?It just takes a genius to understand its simplicity.
> ? ? ? ?--Dennis Ritchie
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From scott.rostrup at googlemail.com  Wed Apr  8 19:51:09 2009
From: scott.rostrup at googlemail.com (Scott Rostrup)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 22:51:09 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Bmarks bug firefox 3.1 beta 3
In-Reply-To: <20090407040311.GA6654@jg.home>
References: <d16bc1e30904040813v76ae1af5xd77f5489cac9a6f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090407040311.GA6654@jg.home>
Message-ID: <d16bc1e30904081951y6ab551b8ma3f8b8dd8521be1e@mail.gmail.com>

yeah sorry,
I thought I was safe after I'd encountered the problem on 3 separate days
but I just tried again now and it worked fine...
On the plus side its gotten me reading this mailing list
Cheers
Scott



On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 11:13:56AM -0400, Scott Rostrup wrote:
>
>> Problem: :bmarks doesn't do anything
>> System: Firefox 3.1 beta 3, linux
>>
>
> Works for me.
>
> --
> Kris Maglione
>
> Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off.
>        --Nigel Calder, former editor of New Scientist
>
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From mftian at gmail.com  Wed Apr  8 01:38:32 2009
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 16:38:32 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Chinese translation of Vimperator docs is finished
In-Reply-To: <20090331010423.GK27077@jg.home>
References: <a28ffaac0903300927w6f913138q7ad5148984d042af@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090331001611.GJ27077@jg.home>
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2009/3/31 Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com>:
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 08:50:15AM +0800, Xie&Tian wrote:
>>
>> erf ... Kris, did you forget the attachment?
>
> No, long story. This is my third try, and was supposed to say:
>
> See liberator.git/contrib/

Hi Kris

Thanks for your "asciidoc" file but unfortunately it didn't work. I
digged a little bit on Asciidoc and hacked it myself. The attached
python file successfully compiled the translated docs and should work
fine with the unicode issue.


-- Xie

>
> --
> Kris Maglione
>
> A program that produces incorrect results twice as fast is infinitely
> slower.
> ? ? ? ?--John Osterhout
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
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From eigensolver at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 09:20:59 2009
From: eigensolver at gmail.com (eigensolver at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 12:20:59 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] mapping the minus and the space key
Message-ID: <slrngts83b.bb0.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>

Hi, 

Is there a way to map the minus "-" key?  By default it seems to be
mapped to zoom out (zo), and I can't seem to be able to remap it.

Similarly, I can't seem to map the space key either.

I'm using Vimperator 2.0.  I think it used to work in Vimperator 1.2.

Thanks,
Yozo



From brian.neradt at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 14:00:42 2009
From: brian.neradt at gmail.com (Brian Neradt)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:00:42 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Why isn't tabbing through :bmarks implemented
Message-ID: <8657908f0904091400h7709e7e8m843806f736352a88@mail.gmail.com>

I love vimperator.

I do have a curiosity though.  I notice in the faq the comment
about bmarks being for viewing and not actually selecting bookmarks.
I'm curious about why it was designed that way.  Why not allow tabbing
through the bmarks menu (and the history menu, etc.)?  That would
(I think) make interfacing with that menu a lot easier.  As it is, I
have to click on the link with my mouse.  Perhaps tabbing is difficult
to implement?  I'm just curious.

Thanks,

-- 
"Though a righteous man falls seven times, he rises again,
but the wicked are brought down by calamity."
 ~ Proverbs 24:16

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 14:35:41 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:35:41 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Why isn't tabbing through :bmarks implemented
In-Reply-To: <8657908f0904091400h7709e7e8m843806f736352a88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8657908f0904091400h7709e7e8m843806f736352a88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090409213541.GB19587@jg.home>

On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 04:00:42PM -0500, Brian Neradt wrote:
>I do have a curiosity though.  I notice in the faq the comment
>about bmarks being for viewing and not actually selecting bookmarks.
>I'm curious about why it was designed that way.  Why not allow tabbing
>through the bmarks menu (and the history menu, etc.)?  That would
>(I think) make interfacing with that menu a lot easier.  As it is, I
>have to click on the link with my mouse.  Perhaps tabbing is difficult
>to implement?  I'm just curious.

That's what :o is for. Use ;f if you want to open them.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Lisp has jokingly been called "the most intelligent way to misuse a
computer".  I think that description is a great compliment because it
transmits the full flavor of liberation: it has assisted a number of
our most gifted fellow humans in thinking previously impossible
thoughts.
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra, CACM, 15:10


From informationeagle at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 20:11:30 2009
From: informationeagle at gmail.com (Edward Gomez)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 20:11:30 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox crashing,
	extensions not working after 	update to Vimperator 2.0 from 1.2
In-Reply-To: <880dece00904070826q45b76c5fi4528210e07a1ada3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00904030626h4778574cn92b88c53a5b863f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904040233u4db857cdq940f82c8a272b52c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090404120058.GC22156@mlsrock.launchmodem.com>
	<880dece00904040646t5426ccddp6e2b3495116aafa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904051157n1020445as90dabb127beccfda@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D900FF.4040807@vimperator.org>
	<dd9711230904051217k361c6342wdc2a90cae840b111@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904070756u29417e6cq29e32ce7a3b3a8af@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904070807n13080fbesf3fdc1b40b5fb5d5@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904070826q45b76c5fi4528210e07a1ada3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9917f4490904092011m1c445bcam39dd091964004a03@mail.gmail.com>

I have the same problem and deleting the sessionstore file did not help.  I
have seen another post regarding this same issue elsewhere and unfortunately
it was not resolved there.  Firefox crashes on startup but does not crash
when I disable Vimperator.  I have removed the .vimperatorrc file and
disabled my other extensions with no success.  The crash can be avoided by
clicking on other sites immediately after startup (about 5 or 6 seconds).
The crash always occurs while the statusbar says waiting for csi.gstatic.com.
I hope this helps find the problem as I really like Vimperator.

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote:

> > There doesn't seem to be a hint to vimperator in this log. I also have
> > seen such crashes occasionally, and usually deleting sessionstore.*
> > from your firefox profile helps.
>
> Thank you, Martin, deleting the sessionstore file helped.
>
> > Please try that, or even a new profile. If that's too much work, try
> > at least to disable vimperator, and see if the crashes go away/start
> > again when vimp is disabled.
>
> At the time, disabling Vimperator was the only way to use Firefox.
> That is why I pinned the blame on Vimperator!
>
> --
> Dotan Cohen
>
> http://what-is-what.com
> http://gibberish.co.il
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
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From brian.neradt at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 20:30:16 2009
From: brian.neradt at gmail.com (Brian Neradt)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 22:30:16 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Why isn't tabbing through :bmarks implemented
In-Reply-To: <20090409213541.GB19587@jg.home>
References: <8657908f0904091400h7709e7e8m843806f736352a88@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090409213541.GB19587@jg.home>
Message-ID: <20090410033016.GA554@firebush.local>

Thanks for the reply.

> That's what :o is for. 

Yeah, I understand that :o can perform this function, but are we
saying that there would be no added benefit to making the bmarks
menu tab-able?

Here's an example use case of mine:
I use python's library reference site often.  I have a bookmark for
it.  To access that, currently I would do the following:

:bmarks python

Boom, there's the single python related bookmark I'd like to go to.
There could be others, but in my case at home there's just one.
What I do now is click on the link to open that reference.  In other
words, I feel I need to use the mouse. :(

Now, if I'm understanding you right (and maybe I'm not - please
correct me if I'm wrong), are you suggesting that I use the bmarks
menu, find the link for the bookmark I want, then type ':o python' and
tab to get the menu from there (which for me brings up over a dozen
references), and find out of that list the bookmark I want?  It's hard
to pick it out of the list.  Most of those references I don't want
usually, but are in my history.

So, again, back to my question.  Why not make :bmarks a menu one can
tab through to select the desired link?

> Use ;f if you want to open them.

It could be that I'm misunderstanding here...I thought ;f makes frames
selectable?  Does that relate to bookmarks somehow.  I think the faq
references something about ; having more functionality to select stuff
in the cvs version.  Is that what you're referring to?

Again, thanks for taking the time to reply!

On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 05:35:41PM -0400, Kris Maglione wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 04:00:42PM -0500, Brian Neradt wrote:
> >I do have a curiosity though.  I notice in the faq the comment
> >about bmarks being for viewing and not actually selecting bookmarks.
> >I'm curious about why it was designed that way.  Why not allow tabbing
> >through the bmarks menu (and the history menu, etc.)?  That would
> >(I think) make interfacing with that menu a lot easier.  As it is, I
> >have to click on the link with my mouse.  Perhaps tabbing is difficult
> >to implement?  I'm just curious.
> 
> That's what :o is for. Use ;f if you want to open them.
> 
> -- 
> Kris Maglione
> 
> Lisp has jokingly been called "the most intelligent way to misuse a
> computer".  I think that description is a great compliment because it
> transmits the full flavor of liberation: it has assisted a number of
> our most gifted fellow humans in thinking previously impossible
> thoughts.
> 	--Edsger W. Dijkstra, CACM, 15:10
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator

-- 
Brian Neradt
www.theneradts.com

"Though a righteous man falls seven times, he rises again,
but the wicked are brought down by calamity."
~ Proverbs 24:16

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 20:52:25 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 23:52:25 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Why isn't tabbing through :bmarks implemented
In-Reply-To: <20090410033016.GA554@firebush.local>
References: <8657908f0904091400h7709e7e8m843806f736352a88@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090409213541.GB19587@jg.home>
	<20090410033016.GA554@firebush.local>
Message-ID: <20090410035225.GC19587@jg.home>

On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 10:30:16PM -0500, Brian Neradt wrote:
>Yeah, I understand that :o can perform this function, but are we
>saying that there would be no added benefit to making the bmarks
>menu tab-able?

It's tabbable, but it won't open what you select. If you want 
that, use :bmarks!

>Now, if I'm understanding you right (and maybe I'm not - please
>correct me if I'm wrong), are you suggesting that I use the bmarks
>menu, find the link for the bookmark I want, then type ':o python' and
>tab to get the menu from there (which for me brings up over a dozen
>references), and find out of that list the bookmark I want?  It's hard
>to pick it out of the list.  Most of those references I don't want
>usually, but are in my history.

:o will complete your bookmarks for you.

>> Use ;f if you want to open them.
>
>It could be that I'm misunderstanding here...I thought ;f makes frames
>selectable?  Does that relate to bookmarks somehow.  I think the faq
>references something about ; having more functionality to select stuff
>in the cvs version.  Is that what you're referring to?

Obviously, I meant ;o

-- 
Kris Maglione

I cannot agree with those who rank modesty among the virtues.  To the
logician all things should be seen exactly as they are, and to
underestimate one's self is as much a departure from truth as to
exaggerate one's own powers.
	--"Sherlock Holmes"


From brian.neradt at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 21:02:39 2009
From: brian.neradt at gmail.com (Brian Neradt)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 23:02:39 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Why isn't tabbing through :bmarks implemented
In-Reply-To: <20090410035225.GC19587@jg.home>
References: <8657908f0904091400h7709e7e8m843806f736352a88@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090409213541.GB19587@jg.home>
	<20090410033016.GA554@firebush.local>
	<20090410035225.GC19587@jg.home>
Message-ID: <20090410040239.GB554@firebush.local>

> Obviously, I meant ;o

Well, that is really helpful actually.  Thanks for this (:bmarks, then
;o to use the hints function).

> It's tabbable, but it won't open what you select. If you want 
> that, use :bmarks!

And that's what I'm wondering - are there plans to make the :bmarks
menu selectable?  I (at least) think it would be helpful.

Thanks Kris.

On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 11:52:25PM -0400, Kris Maglione wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 10:30:16PM -0500, Brian Neradt wrote:
> >Yeah, I understand that :o can perform this function, but are we
> >saying that there would be no added benefit to making the bmarks
> >menu tab-able?
> 
> It's tabbable, but it won't open what you select. If you want 
> that, use :bmarks!
> 
> >Now, if I'm understanding you right (and maybe I'm not - please
> >correct me if I'm wrong), are you suggesting that I use the bmarks
> >menu, find the link for the bookmark I want, then type ':o python' and
> >tab to get the menu from there (which for me brings up over a dozen
> >references), and find out of that list the bookmark I want?  It's hard
> >to pick it out of the list.  Most of those references I don't want
> >usually, but are in my history.
> 
> :o will complete your bookmarks for you.
> 
> >>Use ;f if you want to open them.
> >
> >It could be that I'm misunderstanding here...I thought ;f makes frames
> >selectable?  Does that relate to bookmarks somehow.  I think the faq
> >references something about ; having more functionality to select stuff
> >in the cvs version.  Is that what you're referring to?
> 
> Obviously, I meant ;o
> 
> -- 
> Kris Maglione
> 
> I cannot agree with those who rank modesty among the virtues.  To the
> logician all things should be seen exactly as they are, and to
> underestimate one's self is as much a departure from truth as to
> exaggerate one's own powers.
> 	--"Sherlock Holmes"
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator

-- 
Brian Neradt
www.theneradts.com

"Though a righteous man falls seven times, he rises again,
but the wicked are brought down by calamity."
~ Proverbs 24:16

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 21:51:36 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 00:51:36 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Why isn't tabbing through :bmarks implemented
In-Reply-To: <20090410040239.GB554@firebush.local>
References: <8657908f0904091400h7709e7e8m843806f736352a88@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090409213541.GB19587@jg.home>
	<20090410033016.GA554@firebush.local>
	<20090410035225.GC19587@jg.home>
	<20090410040239.GB554@firebush.local>
Message-ID: <20090410045136.GD19587@jg.home>

On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 11:02:39PM -0500, Brian Neradt wrote:
>And that's what I'm wondering - are there plans to make the :bmarks
>menu selectable?  I (at least) think it would be helpful.

Hun? It *is* selectable. If you want it to open what you select, 
use :bmarks!

-- 
Kris Maglione

Controlling complexity is the essence of computer programming.
	--Brian Kernigan


From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Fri Apr 10 01:04:32 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:04:32 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Why isn't tabbing through :bmarks implemented
In-Reply-To: <20090410040239.GB554@firebush.local>
References: <8657908f0904091400h7709e7e8m843806f736352a88@mail.gmail.com>	<20090409213541.GB19587@jg.home>	<20090410033016.GA554@firebush.local>	<20090410035225.GC19587@jg.home>
	<20090410040239.GB554@firebush.local>
Message-ID: <49DEFD90.4080602@vimperator.org>

On 04/10/2009 06:02 AM, Brian Neradt wrote:

>> Obviously, I meant ;o
> And that's what I'm wondering - are there plans to make the :bmarks
> menu selectable?  I (at least) think it would be helpful.

No immediate plans, but now as I am thinking about it, it wouldn't
probably hurt to allow <Tab> to select <a> in the output when the "Press
ENTER or type command to continue" prompt is open. We "special case" ;o
etc. in this mode as well.

So if somebody writes a patch for it, why not? It's really an often
asked feature and wouldn't hurt users not using it.

--
Martin

From fb at intoxicatedmind.net  Fri Apr 10 01:13:54 2009
From: fb at intoxicatedmind.net (Frank Blendinger)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:13:54 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Editing existing bookmarks
Message-ID: <20090410081354.GX4047@intoxicatedmind.net>

Hi,

are there any plans for editing bookmarks with Vimperator? When I am on
a page that I have bookmarked, Vimperator recognizes this, and displays
the heart symbol. But when I press `a', I will get the ``:bmark'' line
with the current URL, but not the title from my bookmark, but from the
page, and also without the tags I might have set. I guess this is also
true for keywords, I have not tried that.

I would prefer to have the data from my bookmark instead, or have at
least a variant of `a' (`e' maybe?) that does that.

The main reason I would like to have this, is that I change the tags for
some bookmarks from time to time. I use a special tag ``readlater'' for
pages that I don't have time to read now, so I bookmark them to avoid
keeping a lot of tabs open. When I have the time, I use ``:bmarks -T
readlater'' to access them. After reading a page, I want to remove the
``readlater'' tag, but often I have set other tags, which I want to
keep. So a quick way for removing that particular tag would be great. At
the moment, I have check which tags my bookmarks has, remove the
bookmark, and add it again, entering all tags (except the ``readlater''
tag) a second time (tab completion is a great help here, but it is
inconvenient nevertheless). I also have to change the title again, if I
was not happy with the original title.


Btw., I just noticed that ``:bmarks foo'' will only list bookmarks with
``foo'' in the URL, but not those which have ``foo'' in the title, as
the help says. Could someone confirm this? I will file a bug report
then.


Greetings,
Frank

-- 
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From henri.ducrocq at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 01:29:57 2009
From: henri.ducrocq at gmail.com (Henri Ducrocq)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:29:57 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox crashing,
	extensions not working after 	update to Vimperator 2.0 from 1.2
In-Reply-To: <9917f4490904092011m1c445bcam39dd091964004a03@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00904030626h4778574cn92b88c53a5b863f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090404120058.GC22156@mlsrock.launchmodem.com>
	<880dece00904040646t5426ccddp6e2b3495116aafa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904051157n1020445as90dabb127beccfda@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D900FF.4040807@vimperator.org>
	<dd9711230904051217k361c6342wdc2a90cae840b111@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904070756u29417e6cq29e32ce7a3b3a8af@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <391beaa80904100129j7b57d26atfebfcd2fe0c14b2@mail.gmail.com>

Or you might be experiencing the old bug related to the bookmarks service.
In that case you would fix it by adding
    :set nopreload=1
to your .vimperatorrc.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Edward Gomez <informationeagle at gmail.com>wrote:

> I have the same problem and deleting the sessionstore file did not help.  I
> have seen another post regarding this same issue elsewhere and unfortunately
> it was not resolved there.  Firefox crashes on startup but does not crash
> when I disable Vimperator.  I have removed the .vimperatorrc file and
> disabled my other extensions with no success.  The crash can be avoided by
> clicking on other sites immediately after startup (about 5 or 6 seconds).
> The crash always occurs while the statusbar says waiting for
> csi.gstatic.com.  I hope this helps find the problem as I really like
> Vimperator.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > There doesn't seem to be a hint to vimperator in this log. I also have
>> > seen such crashes occasionally, and usually deleting sessionstore.*
>> > from your firefox profile helps.
>>
>> Thank you, Martin, deleting the sessionstore file helped.
>>
>> > Please try that, or even a new profile. If that's too much work, try
>> > at least to disable vimperator, and see if the crashes go away/start
>> > again when vimp is disabled.
>>
>> At the time, disabling Vimperator was the only way to use Firefox.
>> That is why I pinned the blame on Vimperator!
>>
>> --
>> Dotan Cohen
>>
>> http://what-is-what.com
>> http://gibberish.co.il
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Apr 10 01:54:10 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:54:10 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox crashing,
	extensions not working after 	update to Vimperator 2.0 from 1.2
In-Reply-To: <391beaa80904100129j7b57d26atfebfcd2fe0c14b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00904030626h4778574cn92b88c53a5b863f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904040646t5426ccddp6e2b3495116aafa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904051157n1020445as90dabb127beccfda@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D900FF.4040807@vimperator.org>
	<dd9711230904051217k361c6342wdc2a90cae840b111@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904070756u29417e6cq29e32ce7a3b3a8af@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904070807n13080fbesf3fdc1b40b5fb5d5@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904070826q45b76c5fi4528210e07a1ada3@mail.gmail.com>
	<9917f4490904092011m1c445bcam39dd091964004a03@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Henri Ducrocq <henri.ducrocq at gmail.com> wrote:
> Or you might be experiencing the old bug related to the bookmarks service.
> In that case you would fix it by adding
> ??? :set nopreload=1

It's just :set nopreload

But thanks a lot! I actually wanted to disable that before releasing
2.0 by default.

I think it's time for a 2.1 with all the tab fixes and :set nopreload
by default soon.

--
Martin

From nemolivier at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 01:56:24 2009
From: nemolivier at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Olivier_Gu=E9ry?=)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 08:56:24 +0000
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox crashing,
	extensions not working after 	update to Vimperator 2.0 from 1.2
In-Reply-To: <391beaa80904100129j7b57d26atfebfcd2fe0c14b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00904030626h4778574cn92b88c53a5b863f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904040646t5426ccddp6e2b3495116aafa4@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904051157n1020445as90dabb127beccfda@mail.gmail.com>
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	<dd9711230904051217k361c6342wdc2a90cae840b111@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904070756u29417e6cq29e32ce7a3b3a8af@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904070807n13080fbesf3fdc1b40b5fb5d5@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904070826q45b76c5fi4528210e07a1ada3@mail.gmail.com>
	<9917f4490904092011m1c445bcam39dd091964004a03@mail.gmail.com>
	<391beaa80904100129j7b57d26atfebfcd2fe0c14b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c2c86e70904100156r54048c3jb01f54d421faf278@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/10 Henri Ducrocq <henri.ducrocq at gmail.com>:
> Or you might be experiencing the old bug related to the bookmarks service.
> In that case you would fix it by adding
> ??? :set nopreload=1
> to your .vimperatorrc.

I was about to say that. Note that it?s boring :?the first time you
need completion after launch, it takes time to complete. But no more
bug?!

O.

> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Edward Gomez <informationeagle at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I have the same problem and deleting the sessionstore file did not help.
>> I have seen another post regarding this same issue elsewhere and
>> unfortunately it was not resolved there.? Firefox crashes on startup but
>> does not crash when I disable Vimperator.? I have removed the .vimperatorrc
>> file and disabled my other extensions with no success.? The crash can be
>> avoided by clicking on other sites immediately after startup (about 5 or 6
>> seconds).? The crash always occurs while the statusbar says waiting for
>> csi.gstatic.com.? I hope this helps find the problem as I really like
>> Vimperator.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > There doesn't seem to be a hint to vimperator in this log. I also have
>>> > seen such crashes occasionally, and usually deleting sessionstore.*
>>> > from your firefox profile helps.
>>>
>>> Thank you, Martin, deleting the sessionstore file helped.
>>>
>>> > Please try that, or even a new profile. If that's too much work, try
>>> > at least to disable vimperator, and see if the crashes go away/start
>>> > again when vimp is disabled.
>>>
>>> At the time, disabling Vimperator was the only way to use Firefox.
>>> That is why I pinned the blame on Vimperator!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dotan Cohen
>>>
>>> http://what-is-what.com
>>> http://gibberish.co.il
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Vimperator mailing list
>>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>



-- 
[Message tap? sur un clavier B?po : http://www.clavier-dvorak.org ]
http://nemolivier.blogspot.com

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Apr 10 02:00:44 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:00:44 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Editing existing bookmarks
In-Reply-To: <20090410081354.GX4047@intoxicatedmind.net>
References: <20090410081354.GX4047@intoxicatedmind.net>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904100200h600c5725lfc790a35fdccfb4b@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Frank Blendinger
<fb at intoxicatedmind.net> wrote:
> are there any plans for editing bookmarks with Vimperator? When I am on
> a page that I have bookmarked, Vimperator recognizes this, and displays
> the heart symbol. But when I press `a', I will get the ``:bmark'' line
> with the current URL, but not the title from my bookmark, but from the
> page, and also without the tags I might have set. I guess this is also
> true for keywords, I have not tried that.

Mhm, sounds like a good addition, please file an official feature request
(website currently down, but hopefully soon up again), so it's not forgotten.

> I would prefer to have the data from my bookmark instead, or have at
> least a variant of `a' (`e' maybe?) that does that.

Aeh no, that would be a really poor UI, nothing wrong with chaning 'a'.

> Btw., I just noticed that ``:bmarks foo'' will only list bookmarks with
> ``foo'' in the URL, but not those which have ``foo'' in the title, as
> the help says. Could someone confirm this? I will file a bug report
> then.

Right! Good catch. Please also add a bug report for this.

Thanks for the good input,

Marin

From fb at intoxicatedmind.net  Fri Apr 10 02:22:36 2009
From: fb at intoxicatedmind.net (Frank Blendinger)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:22:36 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Editing existing bookmarks
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904100200h600c5725lfc790a35fdccfb4b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090410081354.GX4047@intoxicatedmind.net>
	<aaae92100904100200h600c5725lfc790a35fdccfb4b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090410092236.GY4047@intoxicatedmind.net>

Hi.

On Fri 2009-04-10 11:00, Martin Stubenschrott
<maxauthority at vimperator.org> proclaimed:
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Frank Blendinger
> <fb at intoxicatedmind.net> wrote:
> > are there any plans for editing bookmarks with Vimperator? When I am on
> > a page that I have bookmarked, Vimperator recognizes this, and displays
> > the heart symbol. But when I press `a', I will get the ``:bmark'' line
> > with the current URL, but not the title from my bookmark, but from the
> > page, and also without the tags I might have set. I guess this is also
> > true for keywords, I have not tried that.
> 
> Mhm, sounds like a good addition, please file an official feature request
> (website currently down, but hopefully soon up again), so it's not forgotten.
> 
> > I would prefer to have the data from my bookmark instead, or have at
> > least a variant of `a' (`e' maybe?) that does that.
> 
> Aeh no, that would be a really poor UI, nothing wrong with chaning 'a'.
> 
> > Btw., I just noticed that ``:bmarks foo'' will only list bookmarks with
> > ``foo'' in the URL, but not those which have ``foo'' in the title, as
> > the help says. Could someone confirm this? I will file a bug report
> > then.
> 
> Right! Good catch. Please also add a bug report for this.

Alright, I will do soon when the website is up again.


Greetings,
Frank

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From brian.neradt at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 08:11:32 2009
From: brian.neradt at gmail.com (Brian Neradt)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:11:32 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Why isn't tabbing through :bmarks implemented
In-Reply-To: <20090410045136.GD19587@jg.home>
References: <8657908f0904091400h7709e7e8m843806f736352a88@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090409213541.GB19587@jg.home> <20090410033016.GA554@firebush.local>
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	<20090410045136.GD19587@jg.home>
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> Hun? It *is* selectable. If you want it to open what you select, use
> :bmarks!

The menu isn't selectable.  You're right in saying that the bookmarks that
the :bmarks command presents are selectable via '!', but the interface
to the :bmarks menu doesn't allow selecting an item and following the
presented entry.  ':open' and ':tabopen' present selectable menus, but
':bmarks' doesn't.  All I'm observing is that changing the ':bmarks'
menu to have the same interface as the ':open' command would surely
be appreciated by many.  But, it could be that I'm missing something.
Is there a reason to avoid a change like this?

Now, I'm not a developer of this tool (as I see that you are, Kris -
thank you).  The developers obviously have a right to develop the tool
as they see fit.  I'm just making what I hope is a helpful observation
as a user.  I'll continue using awesome vimperator either way.

Thanks!

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 11:02:39PM -0500, Brian Neradt wrote:
>>
>> And that's what I'm wondering - are there plans to make the :bmarks
>> menu selectable? ?I (at least) think it would be helpful.
>
> Hun? It *is* selectable. If you want it to open what you select, use
> :bmarks!
>
> --
> Kris Maglione
>
> Controlling complexity is the essence of computer programming.
> ? ? ? ?--Brian Kernigan
>
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 ~ Proverbs 24:16

From informationeagle at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 08:55:42 2009
From: informationeagle at gmail.com (Edward Gomez)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 08:55:42 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox crashing,
	extensions not working after 	update to Vimperator 2.0 from 1.2
In-Reply-To: <5c2c86e70904100156r54048c3jb01f54d421faf278@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00904030626h4778574cn92b88c53a5b863f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904051157n1020445as90dabb127beccfda@mail.gmail.com>
	<49D900FF.4040807@vimperator.org>
	<dd9711230904051217k361c6342wdc2a90cae840b111@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00904070756u29417e6cq29e32ce7a3b3a8af@mail.gmail.com>
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	<9917f4490904092011m1c445bcam39dd091964004a03@mail.gmail.com>
	<391beaa80904100129j7b57d26atfebfcd2fe0c14b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70904100156r54048c3jb01f54d421faf278@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9917f4490904100855j3741ba1y5fecee88eb21a40e@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks all, ":set nopreload" seems to have taken care of the problem.

2009/4/10 Olivier Gu?ry <nemolivier at gmail.com>

> 2009/4/10 Henri Ducrocq <henri.ducrocq at gmail.com>:
> > Or you might be experiencing the old bug related to the bookmarks
> service.
> > In that case you would fix it by adding
> >     :set nopreload=1
> > to your .vimperatorrc.
>
> I was about to say that. Note that it?s boring : the first time you
> need completion after launch, it takes time to complete. But no more
> bug !
>
> O.
>
> > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Edward Gomez <
> informationeagle at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I have the same problem and deleting the sessionstore file did not help.
> >> I have seen another post regarding this same issue elsewhere and
> >> unfortunately it was not resolved there.  Firefox crashes on startup but
> >> does not crash when I disable Vimperator.  I have removed the
> .vimperatorrc
> >> file and disabled my other extensions with no success.  The crash can be
> >> avoided by clicking on other sites immediately after startup (about 5 or
> 6
> >> seconds).  The crash always occurs while the statusbar says waiting for
> >> csi.gstatic.com.  I hope this helps find the problem as I really like
> >> Vimperator.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > There doesn't seem to be a hint to vimperator in this log. I also
> have
> >>> > seen such crashes occasionally, and usually deleting sessionstore.*
> >>> > from your firefox profile helps.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you, Martin, deleting the sessionstore file helped.
> >>>
> >>> > Please try that, or even a new profile. If that's too much work, try
> >>> > at least to disable vimperator, and see if the crashes go away/start
> >>> > again when vimp is disabled.
> >>>
> >>> At the time, disabling Vimperator was the only way to use Firefox.
> >>> That is why I pinned the blame on Vimperator!
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Dotan Cohen
> >>>
> >>> http://what-is-what.com
> >>> http://gibberish.co.il
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Vimperator mailing list
> >>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> >>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> >> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> >>
> >
> >
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> > Vimperator at mozdev.org
> > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> >
> >
>
>
>
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From snaka.gml at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 21:34:14 2009
From: snaka.gml at gmail.com (Nakamatsu Shinji)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:34:14 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] [SPAM] How can i use use a image as scroll unit
	when moving in buffer?
In-Reply-To: <tencent_53C1F7A1433EAFB45B6D3810@qq.com>
References: <tencent_53C1F7A1433EAFB45B6D3810@qq.com>
Message-ID: <1b9889850904112134k45d84403t1ea08b0d32b4cec3@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure followings are your expectation  ?

I am using the Minibuffer + LDRize(userscript), and
'ldrize_cooperation.js'(vimperator plugin).
LDRize supports Flickr, tumblr, and FFFFOUND..etc and various site.
And, you can add the configuration  of a site specific structure on
the Wiki (A worldwide user is shared with the configuration) or local
script. (configuration named 'SITEINFO')
"ldrize_cooperation.js" is a plug-in that enable to control the
collision of the key mapping of LDRize and vimperator to use both
cooperatively.

There are relevant  links as follows.

- Minibuffer (*)
  http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/11759
- LDRize
  http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/11562
- ldrize_cooperation.js
  http://coderepos.org/share/browser/lang/javascript/vimperator-plugins/trunk/ldrize_cooperation.js

I recommend AutoPagerize also.

- AutoPagerize
  http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/8551



I'not sure it's your expectings...

2009/4/5 moneylcj <moneylcj at foxmail.com>:
> It's a good choice to use image as scroll unit when we are browsing web page
> which contain many iamges. How can i do it with vimperator?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>

From jedahu at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 17:31:09 2009
From: jedahu at gmail.com (Jeremy Hughes)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:31:09 +1200
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] Fix for asciidoc
Message-ID: <49E287CD.5090706@gmail.com>

Prior to this patch "make xpi" fails with the following:

    FAILED: options.txt: line 775: illegal style name: c]:hi Bell 
display: none;[c

---
  vimperator/locale/en-US/options.txt |    4 ++--
  1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)

diff --git a/vimperator/locale/en-US/options.txt 
b/vimperator/locale/en-US/options.txt
index 32904c2..7e6e98f 100644
--- a/vimperator/locale/en-US/options.txt
+++ b/vimperator/locale/en-US/options.txt
@@ -768,8 +768,8 @@ ____
  Use visual bell instead of beeping on errors. The visual bell style is
  controlled by [c]:hi Bell[c].

-To disable both the audible and visual bells use [c]:set visualbell[c] and
-[c]:hi Bell display: none;[c]
+To disable both the audible and visual bells use [c]:set visualbell[c]
+and [c]:hi Bell display: none;[c]
  ____


-- 
1.6.2.2


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Apr 13 06:21:27 2009
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:21:27 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] Fix for asciidoc
In-Reply-To: <49E287CD.5090706@gmail.com>
References: <49E287CD.5090706@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49E33C57.7040407@tedpavlic.com>

> Prior to this patch "make xpi" fails with the following:
>
>      FAILED: options.txt: line 775: illegal style name: c]:hi Bell
> display: none;[c

I cannot confirm this error. On my system, there is no problem.

What version of asciidoc are you using? Based on the simplicity of your 
patch (moving "and" to the next line), I have a feeling you've uncovered 
a bug in asciidoc (not in options.txt).

Personally, I'd rather not patch options.txt in this way just to correct 
a bug in some versions of asciidoc. If we must patch it this way, there 
should be at least some commenting around the fix to indicate that the 
line cannot start with [c]. Otherwise, someone will do something like 
gqap and not even realize that he is reverting your patch.

Best --
Ted

> -To disable both the audible and visual bells use [c]:set visualbell[c] and
> -[c]:hi Bell display: none;[c]
> +To disable both the audible and visual bells use [c]:set visualbell[c]
> +and [c]:hi Bell display: none;[c]


-- 
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From snaka.gml at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 10:46:44 2009
From: snaka.gml at gmail.com (Nakamatsu Shinji)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:46:44 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] context sensitive mapping
In-Reply-To: <a420ef190904030727u29229890m1b4408e6f5b1dcea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a420ef190904030727u29229890m1b4408e6f5b1dcea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1b9889850904131046l351ad97ia4501e7116af50d9@mail.gmail.com>

How about 'localkeymode.js' plugin.
- URL: http://coderepos.org/share/browser/lang/javascript/vimperator-plugins/trunk/localkeymode.js

You can configure the mapping for the specific site as follows.(in
.vimperatorrc)
----
let g:localkeymode_enable = "true"
javascript <<EOM
//[ [url regexp, [ [removekeys], [key, command/function,
{noremap:true, count: true, ...}], ... ]], ... ]
liberator.globalVariables.localKeyMappings=
[
  [ Url_RegExp,
    [ key, command/function, {extra} ],
    [...]
  ],
  [/www\.hoge\.com/, [
    ['h l'],                  // Temprary deleted mappings (separate by blank)
    [['1','0'], ':open http://www.google.com'],
    ['e', '<C-v>?', {noremap:true}],
    ['q', 'd', {noremap:true}],
  ],
];
EOM
----


2009/4/3 Kearn Holliday <thekearnman at gmail.com>:
> Hi,
>
> is it possible to make custom mappings specific to an url, or domain? that
> is, the mappings are only defined whilst viewing a certain website.
>
> Thanks,
> Kearn.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>

From whitelynx at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 18:25:31 2009
From: whitelynx at gmail.com (David Bronke)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:25:31 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Fix for bug when focusing an element with
	contentEditable=true [patch attached]
Message-ID: <d0b79b10904141825g1980fdd5u58214c2ed8efae89@mail.gmail.com>

I came across a bug in Vimperator: when an element has the contentEditable
property set to true, it is editable in Firefox and most other modern
browsers, but Vimperator will not enter INPUT or TEXTAREA mode when the
focus changes to an element with this property. I opened ticket #240 (
http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/240) for the bug earlier today, and I just
attached a patch to fix it; that patch is also attached to this email.

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From dpb at driftaway.org  Tue Apr 14 22:38:45 2009
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:38:45 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Fix for bug when focusing an element with
	contentEditable=true [patch attached]
In-Reply-To: <d0b79b10904141825g1980fdd5u58214c2ed8efae89@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d0b79b10904141825g1980fdd5u58214c2ed8efae89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230904142238ld6e7193qcc62914527d2a9@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/15 David Bronke <whitelynx at gmail.com>:
> I came across a bug in Vimperator: when an element has the contentEditable
> property set to true, it is editable in Firefox and most other modern
> browsers, but Vimperator will not enter INPUT or TEXTAREA mode when the
> focus changes to an element with this property. I opened ticket #240
> (http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/240) for the bug earlier today, and I
> just attached a patch to fix it; that patch is also attached to this email.

Added the patch to the git repo. Thanks.

This doesn't help with selecting such elements though...

--
Daniel

From luxgladius at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 04:56:26 2009
From: luxgladius at gmail.com (Luke Powell)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 06:56:26 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Opening multiple bookmarks in tabs
Message-ID: <b41047010904150456i4918cdd0x386df12b5965b3cb@mail.gmail.com>

Just discovered Vimperator and I'm really enjoying it. However, one of the
thigns I liked to do previously was open a "group mark" in tabs, i.e. I'd
have a folder "News Sites" on my Bookmark Toolbar, and I'd just right click
to "Open All In Tabs". Is there a way to do this in Vimperator, or would I
need to set up a mapping or script?

Thanks,

Luke Powell
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From fb at intoxicatedmind.net  Wed Apr 15 05:03:58 2009
From: fb at intoxicatedmind.net (Frank Blendinger)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:03:58 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Opening multiple bookmarks in tabs
In-Reply-To: <b41047010904150456i4918cdd0x386df12b5965b3cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b41047010904150456i4918cdd0x386df12b5965b3cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090415120358.GI20618@intoxicatedmind.net>

Hi.

On Wed 2009-04-15 06:56, Luke Powell <luxgladius at gmail.com> proclaimed:
> Just discovered Vimperator and I'm really enjoying it. However, one of the
> thigns I liked to do previously was open a "group mark" in tabs, i.e. I'd
> have a folder "News Sites" on my Bookmark Toolbar, and I'd just right click
> to "Open All In Tabs". Is there a way to do this in Vimperator, or would I
> need to set up a mapping or script?

While there might be other ways, I would suggest giving the bookmarks a
unique tag for group:

    :bmark ... -tags=group_news

You can then open them all with:

    :bmarks! -T group_news

HTH.


Greetings,
Frank

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From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Wed Apr 15 11:16:37 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:16:37 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Opening multiple bookmarks in tabs
In-Reply-To: <20090415120358.GI20618@intoxicatedmind.net>
References: <b41047010904150456i4918cdd0x386df12b5965b3cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090415120358.GI20618@intoxicatedmind.net>
Message-ID: <49E62485.1090102@vimperator.org>

On 04/15/2009 02:03 PM, Frank Blendinger wrote:

> While there might be other ways, I would suggest giving the bookmarks a
> unique tag for group:


I would suggest using quickmarks for this:

:qmark a site1, site2, site3

now open them with goa (-> go open a) or with gta in a new tab.

But Frank's solution is also nice

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 11:19:41 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:19:41 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Opening multiple bookmarks in tabs
In-Reply-To: <49E62485.1090102@vimperator.org>
References: <b41047010904150456i4918cdd0x386df12b5965b3cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090415120358.GI20618@intoxicatedmind.net>
	<49E62485.1090102@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <20090415181941.GA9100@jg.home>

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 08:16:37PM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>I would suggest using quickmarks for this:
>
>:qmark a site1, site2, site3

Eww.

-- 
Kris Maglione

If the lessons of history teach us anything it is that nobody learns
the lessons that history teaches us.


From whitelynx at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 14:09:15 2009
From: whitelynx at gmail.com (David Bronke)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:09:15 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Fix for bug when focusing an element with
	contentEditable=true [patch attached]
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230904142238ld6e7193qcc62914527d2a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d0b79b10904141825g1980fdd5u58214c2ed8efae89@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904142238ld6e7193qcc62914527d2a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d0b79b10904151409p914c2d8o8f94acde7730244b@mail.gmail.com>

What do you mean by selecting? Editing in an element with contentEditable
works fine for me with this patch applied...

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 00:38, Daniel Bainton <dpb at driftaway.org> wrote:

> 2009/4/15 David Bronke <whitelynx at gmail.com>:
> > I came across a bug in Vimperator: when an element has the
> contentEditable
> > property set to true, it is editable in Firefox and most other modern
> > browsers, but Vimperator will not enter INPUT or TEXTAREA mode when the
> > focus changes to an element with this property. I opened ticket #240
> > (http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/240) for the bug earlier today, and I
> > just attached a patch to fix it; that patch is also attached to this
> email.
>
> Added the patch to the git repo. Thanks.
>
> This doesn't help with selecting such elements though...
>
> --
> Daniel
> _______________________________________________
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From dpb at driftaway.org  Wed Apr 15 23:17:11 2009
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:17:11 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Fix for bug when focusing an element with
	contentEditable=true [patch attached]
In-Reply-To: <d0b79b10904151409p914c2d8o8f94acde7730244b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d0b79b10904141825g1980fdd5u58214c2ed8efae89@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904142238ld6e7193qcc62914527d2a9@mail.gmail.com>
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To go to the div, the easiest way is to click on it with the mouse.
Hints doesn't work for it, that's what I meant.

--
Daniel

2009/4/16 David Bronke <whitelynx at gmail.com>:
> What do you mean by selecting? Editing in an element with contentEditable
> works fine for me with this patch applied...
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 00:38, Daniel Bainton <dpb at driftaway.org> wrote:
>>
>> 2009/4/15 David Bronke <whitelynx at gmail.com>:
>> > I came across a bug in Vimperator: when an element has the
>> > contentEditable
>> > property set to true, it is editable in Firefox and most other modern
>> > browsers, but Vimperator will not enter INPUT or TEXTAREA mode when the
>> > focus changes to an element with this property. I opened ticket #240
>> > (http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/240) for the bug earlier today, and I
>> > just attached a patch to fix it; that patch is also attached to this
>> > email.
>>
>> Added the patch to the git repo. Thanks.
>>
>> This doesn't help with selecting such elements though...
>>
>> --
>> Daniel
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>
>
> --
> David H. Bronke
> Vice President of Project Development
> G33X Nexus Entertainment
> http://www.g33xnexus.com/
>
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From bwyatt1 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 16 10:38:23 2009
From: bwyatt1 at gmail.com (Bill Wyatt)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:38:23 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Disable titlestring && wildoptions=auto
Message-ID: <926e83650904161038l592fb19cp8a953ee2e4ecc3e2@mail.gmail.com>

I have two unrelated questions:

1. I'm somewhat fond of the Firesomething plugin, which randomly changes the
title string to things like "Mozilla Waterbadger" and "Mozilla Sunostrich".
Before I started using Vimperator this simple plugin consistently added
much-needed levity to my day, but I've been living without it because
Vimperator has no option for NOT setting the title string.  'set
titlestring=Mozilla\ Firefox' isn't good enough.  It overwrites whatever
title Firesomething has come up with.  I'm willing to hack a little, and
I've opened up the vimperator.jar file, bug haven't had any luck finding
'settitle' or 'titlestring' in the javascript.  Could somebody point me to a
simple way to disable the setting of the title in Vimperator?

2. I was instantly amazed by Vimperator's wildoptions=auto. Completion as
you type on the command-line is amazing!  Type ':set guioptions=' and
instantly see all the valid options.  Does anyone know how to make Vim
behave like that?  And to clarify, I'm talking about command mode (starts
with ':'), not insert-mode Ctrl-X stuff.

Thanks,
Bill
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr 16 11:33:02 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:33:02 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Disable titlestring && wildoptions=auto
In-Reply-To: <926e83650904161038l592fb19cp8a953ee2e4ecc3e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <926e83650904161038l592fb19cp8a953ee2e4ecc3e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090416183302.GB9100@jg.home>

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 01:38:23PM -0400, Bill Wyatt wrote:
>1. I'm somewhat fond of the Firesomething plugin, which randomly changes the
>title string to things like "Mozilla Waterbadger" and "Mozilla Sunostrich".
>Before I started using Vimperator this simple plugin consistently added
>much-needed levity to my day, but I've been living without it because
>Vimperator has no option for NOT setting the title string.  'set
>titlestring=Mozilla\ Firefox' isn't good enough.  It overwrites whatever
>title Firesomething has come up with.  I'm willing to hack a little, and
>I've opened up the vimperator.jar file, bug haven't had any luck finding
>'settitle' or 'titlestring' in the javascript.  Could somebody point me to a
>simple way to disable the setting of the title in Vimperator?

Not much you can do about this. You can get rid of the 
"titlestring" option in content/config.js. I think you'd be 
better off just writing a one-liner to randomly set the 
titlestring yourself, though.

>2. I was instantly amazed by Vimperator's wildoptions=auto. Completion as
>you type on the command-line is amazing!  Type ':set guioptions=' and
>instantly see all the valid options.  Does anyone know how to make Vim
>behave like that?  And to clarify, I'm talking about command mode (starts
>with ':'), not insert-mode Ctrl-X stuff.

Yes, for $1500.00, I'll implement it for you. Otherwise, nope.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Are you quite sure that all those bells and whistles, all those
wonderful facilities of your so called powerful programming languages,
belong to the solution set rather than the problem set?
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


From whitelynx at gmail.com  Thu Apr 16 12:09:50 2009
From: whitelynx at gmail.com (David Bronke)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:09:50 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Fix for bug when focusing an element with
	contentEditable=true [patch attached]
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230904152317m6aebf02dv98ec0965e0c55b0c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d0b79b10904141825g1980fdd5u58214c2ed8efae89@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904142238ld6e7193qcc62914527d2a9@mail.gmail.com>
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Aah, ok. I've never used hints, although I really should... I get sick of
using the mouse pretty fast. I'll see about coding up a patch to fix that as
well. (although, there's no guarantees as to when I'll be able to do it)

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 01:17, Daniel Bainton <dpb at driftaway.org> wrote:

> To go to the div, the easiest way is to click on it with the mouse.
> Hints doesn't work for it, that's what I meant.
>
> --
> Daniel
>
> 2009/4/16 David Bronke <whitelynx at gmail.com>:
> > What do you mean by selecting? Editing in an element with contentEditable
> > works fine for me with this patch applied...
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 00:38, Daniel Bainton <dpb at driftaway.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> 2009/4/15 David Bronke <whitelynx at gmail.com>:
> >> > I came across a bug in Vimperator: when an element has the
> >> > contentEditable
> >> > property set to true, it is editable in Firefox and most other modern
> >> > browsers, but Vimperator will not enter INPUT or TEXTAREA mode when
> the
> >> > focus changes to an element with this property. I opened ticket #240
> >> > (http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/240) for the bug earlier today,
> and I
> >> > just attached a patch to fix it; that patch is also attached to this
> >> > email.
> >>
> >> Added the patch to the git repo. Thanks.
> >>
> >> This doesn't help with selecting such elements though...
> >>
> >> --
> >> Daniel
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Vimperator mailing list
> >> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> >> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > David H. Bronke
> > Vice President of Project Development
> > G33X Nexus Entertainment
> > http://www.g33xnexus.com/
> >
> >
> v3sw5/7Hhw5/6ln4pr6Ock3ma7u7+8Lw3/7Tm3l6+7Gi2e4t4Mb7Hen5g8+9ORPa22s6MSr7p6
> > hackerkey.com
> > Support Web Standards! http://www.webstandards.org/
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Vimperator mailing list
> > Vimperator at mozdev.org
> > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>



-- 
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G33X Nexus Entertainment
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From whitelynx at gmail.com  Thu Apr 16 12:45:20 2009
From: whitelynx at gmail.com (David Bronke)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:45:20 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Fix for bug when focusing an element with
	contentEditable=true [patch attached]
In-Reply-To: <d0b79b10904161209r23801b6dsda83a1ac11b5adc9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d0b79b10904141825g1980fdd5u58214c2ed8efae89@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904142238ld6e7193qcc62914527d2a9@mail.gmail.com>
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It seems that the correct way to do that is with the 'hinttags' setting,
which is just an XPath query. On my copy of Vimperator, it defaults to
"//*[@onclick
or @onmouseover or @onmousedown or @onmouseup or @oncommand or @class='lk'
or @role='link'] | //input[not(@type='hidden')] | //a | //area | //iframe |
textarea | //button | //select | //xhtml:input[not(@type='hidden')] |
//xhtml:a | //xhtml:area | //xhtml:iframe | //xhtml:textarea |
//xhtml:button | //xhtml:select"; to be able to select things with
contenteditable, i added "or @contenteditable" to the end of the first
square-bracket group. (after "@role='link'") You'll probably also want to do
the same with the 'extendedhinttags' setting, so that you can use
contenteditable elements with the ';' command as well as with 'f' and 'F'.

Would it make sense to add this to the default values for 'hinttags' and
'extendedhinttags'?

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 14:09, David Bronke <whitelynx at gmail.com> wrote:

> Aah, ok. I've never used hints, although I really should... I get sick of
> using the mouse pretty fast. I'll see about coding up a patch to fix that as
> well. (although, there's no guarantees as to when I'll be able to do it)
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 01:17, Daniel Bainton <dpb at driftaway.org> wrote:
>
>> To go to the div, the easiest way is to click on it with the mouse.
>> Hints doesn't work for it, that's what I meant.
>>
>> --
>> Daniel
>>
>> 2009/4/16 David Bronke <whitelynx at gmail.com>:
>> > What do you mean by selecting? Editing in an element with
>> contentEditable
>> > works fine for me with this patch applied...
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 00:38, Daniel Bainton <dpb at driftaway.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 2009/4/15 David Bronke <whitelynx at gmail.com>:
>> >> > I came across a bug in Vimperator: when an element has the
>> >> > contentEditable
>> >> > property set to true, it is editable in Firefox and most other modern
>> >> > browsers, but Vimperator will not enter INPUT or TEXTAREA mode when
>> the
>> >> > focus changes to an element with this property. I opened ticket #240
>> >> > (http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/240) for the bug earlier today,
>> and I
>> >> > just attached a patch to fix it; that patch is also attached to this
>> >> > email.
>> >>
>> >> Added the patch to the git repo. Thanks.
>> >>
>> >> This doesn't help with selecting such elements though...
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Daniel
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Vimperator mailing list
>> >> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> >> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > David H. Bronke
>> > Vice President of Project Development
>> > G33X Nexus Entertainment
>> > http://www.g33xnexus.com/
>> >
>> >
>> v3sw5/7Hhw5/6ln4pr6Ock3ma7u7+8Lw3/7Tm3l6+7Gi2e4t4Mb7Hen5g8+9ORPa22s6MSr7p6
>> > hackerkey.com
>> > Support Web Standards! http://www.webstandards.org/
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Vimperator mailing list
>> > Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>
>
>
> --
> David H. Bronke
> Vice President of Project Development
> G33X Nexus Entertainment
> http://www.g33xnexus.com/
>
> v3sw5/7Hhw5/6ln4pr6Ock3ma7u7+8Lw3/7Tm3l6+7Gi2e4t4Mb7Hen5g8+9ORPa22s6MSr7p6
> hackerkey.com
> Support Web Standards! http://www.webstandards.org/
>



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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr 16 13:01:21 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:01:21 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Fix for bug when focusing an element
	with	contentEditable=true [patch attached]
In-Reply-To: <d0b79b10904161245w4080cd4am810b233c30b2da6a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d0b79b10904141825g1980fdd5u58214c2ed8efae89@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904142238ld6e7193qcc62914527d2a9@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20090416200121.GC9100@jg.home>

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 02:45:20PM -0500, David Bronke wrote:
>Would it make sense to add this to the default values for 'hinttags' and
>'extendedhinttags'?

No, not really. contentEditable is heritable, which has several 
practical implications. The first is that one can't be certain 
whether or not an element's content is editable by the presence 
or absence of the attribute alone (especially given that the 
value may be "false", or "inherit"). The other is that one still 
needs a way to judge which sub-elements of an editable element 
it would be desirable to focus (divs, links, images, ...). Since 
I've never seen any real world use of the property in the wild, 
I can't even guess at the usefulness of any given XPath.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.
	--Leonardo da Vinci


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr 16 13:23:01 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:23:01 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Disable titlestring && wildoptions=auto
In-Reply-To: <20090416183302.GB9100@jg.home>
References: <926e83650904161038l592fb19cp8a953ee2e4ecc3e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090416183302.GB9100@jg.home>
Message-ID: <20090416202301.GD9100@jg.home>

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 02:33:02PM -0400, Kris Maglione wrote:
> Not much you can do about this. You can get rid of the "titlestring" 
> option in content/config.js. I think you'd be better off just writing a 
> one-liner to randomly set the titlestring yourself, though.

Here:

:js function rand(key) {let p=options.getPref("extensions.firesomething.lists." + key).split("|"); return p[Math.round(Math.random() * (p.length-1))]}; options.titlestring = "Mozilla " + rand("prefixes") + rand("names")

(requires "Firesomething" to be installed, would be a 
three-liner otherwise)

> Yes, for $1500.00, I'll implement it for you. Otherwise, nope.

P.S. If you knew me, you would understand that this was 
facetious. I would never touch Vim's source for such a paltry 
sum.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Some problems are so complex that you have to be highly intelligent
and well informed just to be undecided about them.
	--Laurence J. Peter


From bwyatt1 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 16 13:51:54 2009
From: bwyatt1 at gmail.com (Bill Wyatt)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:51:54 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Disable titlestring && wildoptions=auto
In-Reply-To: <20090416202301.GD9100@jg.home>
References: <926e83650904161038l592fb19cp8a953ee2e4ecc3e2@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20090416183302.GB9100@jg.home> <20090416202301.GD9100@jg.home>
Message-ID: <926e83650904161351l3a268ef4v13225fdb4bd85ac9@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 02:33:02PM -0400, Kris Maglione wrote:
>
>> Not much you can do about this. You can get rid of the "titlestring"
>> option in content/config.js. I think you'd be better off just writing a
>> one-liner to randomly set the titlestring yourself, though.
>>
>
> Here:
>
> :js function rand(key) {let
> p=options.getPref("extensions.firesomething.lists." + key).split("|");
> return p[Math.round(Math.random() * (p.length-1))]}; options.titlestring =
> "Mozilla " + rand("prefixes") + rand("names")
>
> (requires "Firesomething" to be installed, would be a three-liner
> otherwise)
>

I removed the option from config.js and it works.  Thanks for your time on
my minor amusement.


>
>
>  Yes, for $1500.00, I'll implement it for you. Otherwise, nope.
>>
>
> P.S. If you knew me, you would understand that this was facetious. I would
> never touch Vim's source for such a paltry sum.
>

I agree.  A true vimmer would demand far more.
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From whitelynx at gmail.com  Thu Apr 16 14:17:20 2009
From: whitelynx at gmail.com (David Bronke)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:17:20 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Fix for bug when focusing an element with
	contentEditable=true [patch attached]
In-Reply-To: <20090416200121.GC9100@jg.home>
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Ok, changing that to "@contenteditable='true'" works. According to the spec
at
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/editing.html#contenteditable,
sub-elements of a contenteditable should be editable only if their
contenteditable attribute is 'inherit' or 'true', so those should be the
ones that show up with hints. However, if we allow those to show up as
hints, it will generate a large number of unneeded hints in certain cases,
like a syntax-highlighted contenteditable. (which is what I'm making) I
don't really see the point in giving child elements inside a contenteditable
hints; if we did want to, adding " |
//*[@contenteditable='true']/*[@contenteditable='inherit']" gets us half-way
there, but we also have to test for the absence of the contenteditable
property. (since 'inherit' is the missing value default)

Would we be able to just add "@contenteditable='true'" for now, and it can
be changed later if there is some need to hint children of a
contenteditable? (keep in mind, children that have contenteditable
explicitly set to 'true' will be hinted with this already)

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 15:01, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 02:45:20PM -0500, David Bronke wrote:
>
>> Would it make sense to add this to the default values for 'hinttags' and
>> 'extendedhinttags'?
>>
>
> No, not really. contentEditable is heritable, which has several practical
> implications. The first is that one can't be certain whether or not an
> element's content is editable by the presence or absence of the attribute
> alone (especially given that the value may be "false", or "inherit"). The
> other is that one still needs a way to judge which sub-elements of an
> editable element it would be desirable to focus (divs, links, images, ...).
> Since I've never seen any real world use of the property in the wild, I
> can't even guess at the usefulness of any given XPath.
>
> --
> Kris Maglione
>
> Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.
>        --Leonardo da Vinci
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>



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Vice President of Project Development
G33X Nexus Entertainment
http://www.g33xnexus.com/

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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr 16 15:18:30 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:18:30 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Fix for bug when focusing an element
	with	contentEditable=true [patch attached]
In-Reply-To: <d0b79b10904161417m7576859g4fc3b40a74981067@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d0b79b10904141825g1980fdd5u58214c2ed8efae89@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904142238ld6e7193qcc62914527d2a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0b79b10904151409p914c2d8o8f94acde7730244b@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904152317m6aebf02dv98ec0965e0c55b0c@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0b79b10904161209r23801b6dsda83a1ac11b5adc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<d0b79b10904161245w4080cd4am810b233c30b2da6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090416200121.GC9100@jg.home>
	<d0b79b10904161417m7576859g4fc3b40a74981067@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090416221830.GE9100@jg.home>

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 04:17:20PM -0500, David Bronke wrote:
>Ok, changing that to "@contenteditable='true'" works. According 
>to the spec at ... sub-elements of a contenteditable should be 
>editable only if their  contenteditable attribute is 'inherit' 
>or 'true', so those should be the ones that show up with hints. 

The missing value default is the default value even if the 
attribute is not present. So, any elements without the attribute 
automatically inherit it. Even if that weren't the case, Gecko 
doesn't implement HTML 5, so that spec is irrelevant. The 
behavior is actually copied from IE, and is nevertheless as 
noted above.

We should certainly allow focusing of sub elements, especially 
block elements and table cells. But, it's not remotely simple, 
and I personally don't care to implement it. Adding 
@contenteditable='true' is probably good enough, but I won't 
commit it.

-- 
Kris Maglione

I think conventional languages are for the birds.  They're just
extensions of the von Neumann computer, and they keep our noses in the
dirt of dealing with individual words and computing addresses, and
doing all kinds of silly things like that, things that we've picked up
from programming for computers; we've built them into programming
languages; we've built them into Fortran; we've built them in PL/1;
we've built them into almost every language.
	--John Backus


From moneylcj at foxmail.com  Fri Apr 17 01:01:55 2009
From: moneylcj at foxmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?bW9uZXlsY2o=?=)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:01:55 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] How to add custom mode?
Message-ID: <tencent_1C4C96AB78F5395D77AC3F41@qq.com>

everyone:

I want to add a "IMAGEMODE" mode to vimpertor,"c" will be used to start this
mode. "k" is mapped to my function in "IMAGEMODE". My source is:


modes.addMode("IMAGEMODE");
mappings.add([modes.NORMAL],["c"],
    "Start Image Mode",
    function(){alert("start image mode");});

mappings.addUserMap(
    ["IMAGEMODE"],
    ['k'],
    'ImageScroll Back',
    function () ImageScrollBack()
);


It doesn't work. I am not family with vimpertor develope. How can i do it.
thanks.
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From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Apr 17 01:18:33 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:18:33 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Disable titlestring && wildoptions=auto
In-Reply-To: <926e83650904161351l3a268ef4v13225fdb4bd85ac9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <926e83650904161038l592fb19cp8a953ee2e4ecc3e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090416183302.GB9100@jg.home> <20090416202301.GD9100@jg.home>
	<926e83650904161351l3a268ef4v13225fdb4bd85ac9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904170118u134f9e1fuea7eb468bc503d96@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Bill Wyatt <bwyatt1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> P.S. If you knew me, you would understand that this was facetious. I would
>> never touch Vim's source for such a paltry sum.
>
> I agree.? A true vimmer would demand far more.

No, he meant that you should look into vim's source code. After digging through
20.000 lines of misc2.c with often 3 character variable names, you
have enough :)

--
Martin

From andrew at pimlott.net  Fri Apr 17 01:43:15 2009
From: andrew at pimlott.net (Andrew Pimlott)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:43:15 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] Disable titlestring && wildoptions=auto
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904170118u134f9e1fuea7eb468bc503d96@mail.gmail.com>
References: <926e83650904161038l592fb19cp8a953ee2e4ecc3e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090416183302.GB9100@jg.home> <20090416202301.GD9100@jg.home>
	<926e83650904161351l3a268ef4v13225fdb4bd85ac9@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904170118u134f9e1fuea7eb468bc503d96@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090417084315.GX11701@pimlott.net>

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:18:33AM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
> No, he meant that you should look into vim's source code. After digging through
> 20.000 lines of misc2.c with often 3 character variable names, you
> have enough :)

Oh come on, vim has some of the nicest C code I've seen in a large
program, commented, organized, with basic algorithms and data structures
documented.  I found it quite easy to hack.  At least, the parts Bram
wrote--other parts were disasters.

Andrew

From bunnyfly at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 16 08:51:35 2009
From: bunnyfly at googlemail.com (bunnyfly)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:51:35 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] Wikipedia Grabs <c-h> and <c-p>
Message-ID: <8de0c5760904160851p22a460dejcf66793f27121f44@mail.gmail.com>

Hi - so I have c-h assigned to gT (previous tab). It works great, but when
I'm on a wikipedia page and c-h away from it, it switches tabs, but then, in
the background, the wiki site changes to it's "revision history" of the page
it was on. So I looked through help, saw that c-p is another "Previous tab"
command. I tried that, but now the wiki site changes to the page's
"printable" version. This happens on wikipedia, but also on other wikis like
the Vim Tips wiki.

Is there a way around this? Is it just a bug? Thanks.
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From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Apr 17 03:14:23 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:14:23 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] How to add custom mode?
In-Reply-To: <tencent_1C4C96AB78F5395D77AC3F41@qq.com>
References: <tencent_1C4C96AB78F5395D77AC3F41@qq.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904170314i2779e91cw769b1705e90e7060@mail.gmail.com>

You need modes.addMode(...); See modes.js for more details.

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:01 AM, moneylcj <moneylcj at foxmail.com> wrote:
> everyone:
>
> I want to add a "IMAGEMODE" mode to vimpertor,"c" will be used to start this
> mode. "k" is mapped to my function in "IMAGEMODE". My source is:
>
>
> modes.addMode("IMAGEMODE");
> mappings.add([modes.NORMAL],["c"],
> ??? "Start Image Mode",
> ??? function(){alert("start image mode");});
>
> mappings.addUserMap(
> ??? ["IMAGEMODE"],
> ??? ['k'],
> ??? 'ImageScroll Back',
> ??? function () ImageScrollBack()
> );
>
>
> It doesn't work. I am not family with vimpertor develope. How can i do it.
> thanks.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Apr 17 03:15:40 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:15:40 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Wikipedia Grabs <c-h> and <c-p>
In-Reply-To: <8de0c5760904160851p22a460dejcf66793f27121f44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8de0c5760904160851p22a460dejcf66793f27121f44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904170315y628cd4b2n562d452deb8869b9@mail.gmail.com>

I think this is a known bug only on MacOS.
Disable access keys with :set! ... somehow, and it'll work.

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Apr 17 05:46:57 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:46:57 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] How to add custom mode?
In-Reply-To: <tencent_1C4C96AB78F5395D77AC3F41@qq.com>
References: <tencent_1C4C96AB78F5395D77AC3F41@qq.com>
Message-ID: <20090417124657.GF9100@jg.home>

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 04:01:55PM +0800, moneylcj wrote:
  modes.addMode("IMAGEMODE");
  mappings.add([modes.NORMAL],["c"],
      "Start Image Mode",
      function(){alert("start image mode");});
  
  mappings.addUserMap(
-    ["IMAGEMODE"],
+    [modes.IMAGEMODE],
      ['k'],
      'ImageScroll Back',
      function () ImageScrollBack()
  );


-- 
Kris Maglione

And the users exclaimed with a laugh and a taunt: "It's just what we
asked for but not what we want."


From fb at intoxicatedmind.net  Fri Apr 17 06:38:46 2009
From: fb at intoxicatedmind.net (Frank Blendinger)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:38:46 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] How to add custom mode?
In-Reply-To: <tencent_1C4C96AB78F5395D77AC3F41@qq.com>
References: <tencent_1C4C96AB78F5395D77AC3F41@qq.com>
Message-ID: <20090417133846.GB30360@intoxicatedmind.net>

Hi.

On Fri 2009-04-17 16:01, moneylcj <moneylcj at foxmail.com> proclaimed:
> I want to add a "IMAGEMODE" mode to vimpertor,"c" will be used to start this
> mode. "k" is mapped to my function in "IMAGEMODE". My source is:

This image mode sounds interesting. It would be nice if shared it on
this list when you get it working.


Greetings,
Frank

-- 
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From teramako at gmail.com  Fri Apr 17 08:13:22 2009
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:13:22 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] [Patch]For Tree Style Tab and Tab Mix Plus
Message-ID: <6eebba490904170813m41bc8fc7hb07ebaec3217f9a5@mail.gmail.com>

hi

I'm trying to fix the following progrems

#171 (Vimperator 2.0 beta2 + Tab Mix Plus breaks tabs) ? vimperator labs
http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/171

#201 (Tree Style Tab extension view is not hierarchical) ? vimperator labs
http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/201

and now successed to reach almost compatibility.
please review the attached patches.

Notes:
 * I tested on only Windows.
 * Bug: TabMixPlus overwrites the value of TabNumber label with the
value of loading progress meter

best regards.
----
teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/
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From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Fri Apr 17 08:29:51 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:29:51 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [Patch]For Tree Style Tab and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <6eebba490904170813m41bc8fc7hb07ebaec3217f9a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6eebba490904170813m41bc8fc7hb07ebaec3217f9a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49E8A06F.4070804@vimperator.org>

Hi,

On 04/17/2009 05:13 PM, M.Terada wrote:

> I'm trying to fix the following progrems

That's good and thanks for the patch.

> Notes:
>  * I tested on only Windows.


Can somebody test on linux/mac?

The general problem I have with this patch is that I don't like
supporting old craft, and this just adds quite a lot of code
for an old unsupported platform. On the other hand, these
addons are quite popular, but we could also wait for them
to drop the old FX2 compatibility code in future, than adding
old code ourself.

What do others think about this issue? What's better?

--
Martin

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Apr 17 08:35:53 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:35:53 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [Patch]For Tree Style Tab and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <49E8A06F.4070804@vimperator.org>
References: <6eebba490904170813m41bc8fc7hb07ebaec3217f9a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49E8A06F.4070804@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <20090417153553.GG9100@jg.home>

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 05:29:51PM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>The general problem I have with this patch is that I don't like
>supporting old craft, and this just adds quite a lot of code
>for an old unsupported platform. On the other hand, these
>addons are quite popular, but we could also wait for them
>to drop the old FX2 compatibility code in future, than adding
>old code ourself.
>
>What do others think about this issue? What's better?

I'm personally opposed to these kinds of compatiblity hacks, 
especially when they make the code orders of magnitude more 
complex to support one or two extensions. In this case, 
especially, I'm opposed because they work fine with Vimperator, 
sans one feature---a feature which doesn't make sense with Tree 
Style Tabs, and which only conflicts with Tab Mix Plus because 
it's badly written.

-- 
Kris Maglione

It's a curious thing about our industry: not only do we not learn from
our mistakes, we also don't learn from our successes.
	--Keith Braithwaite


From bunnyfly at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 17 09:13:13 2009
From: bunnyfly at googlemail.com (bunnyfly)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:13:13 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] Wikipedia Grabs <c-h> and <c-p> [SOLVED]
Message-ID: <8de0c5760904170913l56fff271k79faee6ecde4f1e3@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Martin! I searched for access keys and adding this to .vimperatorrc
fixed it:

set! ui.key.contentAccess=3

Thanks again ^_^
] chloe [



> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:15:40 +0200
> From: Martin Stubenschrott <maxauthority at vimperator.org>
> Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Wikipedia Grabs <c-h> and <c-p>
> To: vimperator at mozdev.org
> Message-ID:
>        <aaae92100904170315y628cd4b2n562d452deb8869b9 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> I think this is a known bug only on MacOS.
> Disable access keys with :set! ... somehow, and it'll work.
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From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Apr 17 09:21:44 2009
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:21:44 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Wikipedia Grabs <c-h> and <c-p>
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904170315y628cd4b2n562d452deb8869b9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8de0c5760904160851p22a460dejcf66793f27121f44@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904170315y628cd4b2n562d452deb8869b9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49E8AC98.4000202@tedpavlic.com>

> I think this is a known bug only on MacOS.
> Disable access keys with :set! ... somehow, and it'll work.

Yes. See

http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/102

and/or

http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/98


Other relevant links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Ui.key.contentAccess

http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html#keys

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=471283


--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

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From moneylcj at foxmail.com  Fri Apr 17 23:17:31 2009
From: moneylcj at foxmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?bW9uZXlsY2o=?=)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:17:31 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] share vimperator plugin -- IMAGEMODE. Now you can use
	image as unit to scroll buffer .
Message-ID: <tencent_38128C0A27BF71057002D4FF@qq.com>

download the iamgemode.js, put it in vimpertor plugin directory.
and then restart your vimpertor.

open this test page http://www.booto.net/?p=2321.

type "c" into IMAGEMODE
type "j" "k" "gg" "G" to scroll
type "s" to save
type "f" "x" to zoom image if you already installed Image Zoom addon
type "b" "h" "d" then scroll again you will have surprise.
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From fb at intoxicatedmind.net  Sat Apr 18 02:50:00 2009
From: fb at intoxicatedmind.net (Frank Blendinger)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:50:00 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] share vimperator plugin -- IMAGEMODE. Now you
	can	use image as unit to scroll buffer .
In-Reply-To: <tencent_38128C0A27BF71057002D4FF@qq.com>
References: <tencent_38128C0A27BF71057002D4FF@qq.com>
Message-ID: <20090418095000.GA6258@intoxicatedmind.net>

Hi.

On Sat 2009-04-18 14:17, moneylcj <moneylcj at foxmail.com> proclaimed:
> download the iamgemode.js, put it in vimpertor plugin directory.
> and then restart your vimpertor.

Either my MUA is broken or you attached an empty attachment.


Greetings,
Frank

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From daning106 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 02:00:31 2009
From: daning106 at gmail.com (Wang Ning)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:00:31 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] how to realize the url suggestion with vimperator?
Message-ID: <49EAE82F.2030204@gmail.com>

Hi,

Thanks for this greate software vimperator, I can't surf the net without it.

I have a suggestion. When I type 'o' to open a web site, can it just
suggest the properly url I want, like firefox address field do? For
instance, I vistied ubuntuforums.org before. When I type "o ubuntu" the
bottom bar suggest "ubuntuforum.org ubuntu.com ubuntugeek.com" something
like this. Then I can get my target url quickly.

Is that possible?

Thanks.

From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Sun Apr 19 02:23:24 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 11:23:24 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] how to realize the url suggestion with vimperator?
In-Reply-To: <49EAE82F.2030204@gmail.com>
References: <49EAE82F.2030204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49EAED8C.20707@vimperator.org>

On 04/19/2009 11:00 AM, Wang Ning wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Thanks for this greate software vimperator, I can't surf the net without it.
> 
> I have a suggestion. When I type 'o' to open a web site, can it just
> suggest the properly url I want, like firefox address field do? For
> instance, I vistied ubuntuforums.org before. When I type "o ubuntu" the
> bottom bar suggest "ubuntuforum.org ubuntu.com ubuntugeek.com" something
> like this. Then I can get my target url quickly.
> 
> Is that possible?


Just press (and keep pressing) <Tab>

You can also try :set wildoptions=auto

From arian.kuschki at gmail.com  Fri Apr 17 10:37:30 2009
From: arian.kuschki at gmail.com (Arian Kuschki)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:37:30 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] How to call a function embedded in the address bar?
Message-ID: <ca6e88f00904171037h7f35e45du10a9176be8a41c42@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Zheng,

it would be great if you could tell me how you solved your Zotero problem
(i.e. what javascript you use to call the Zotero functions).

Thanks
Arian
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From tibi at tiborius.net  Fri Apr 17 18:06:49 2009
From: tibi at tiborius.net (Tibor =?UTF-8?B?Q3PDtmfDtnI=?=)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 03:06:49 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] patch: change buffer order -- most recently used
Message-ID: <87d4bau5w6.wl%tibi@tiborius.net>

Hi!

This small patch allows you to set an option ('taborder') so that the
order of buffers changes: the most recently used buffer is always the
first one.  My goal was to get an Emacs-like behavior (for that in the
switch-to-other-buffer dialogue the current buffer should be omitted
in the listing, but that is subject of another patch).

This patch is kind of ugly.  People using the tab-bar probably won't
like this, because it changes the order of the tabs all the time.  I
chose a string variable for 'taborder' so other ordering options may
be used in future (maybe "alphabetical"?).  I personally really only
care for this order so I'd be happy with a boolean 'tabordermru'
option as well.

Please note that this is my first patch for vimperator.  As such it
may not be optimal and I may have missed something, so please bear
with me.  Feel free to make changes as desired.

Cheers,
Tibor

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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 08:14:50 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 11:14:50 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] patch: change buffer order -- most recently used
In-Reply-To: <87d4bau5w6.wl%tibi@tiborius.net>
References: <87d4bau5w6.wl%tibi@tiborius.net>
Message-ID: <20090419151450.GA9643@jg.home>

On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 03:06:49AM +0200, Tibor Cs?g?r wrote:
>This small patch allows you to set an option ('taborder') so that the
>order of buffers changes: the most recently used buffer is always the
>first one.  My goal was to get an Emacs-like behavior (for that in the
>switch-to-other-buffer dialogue the current buffer should be omitted
>in the listing, but that is subject of another patch).

Nice, but I think this is probably better as a plugin.


-- 
Kris Maglione

Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without
reason and imitation without benefit.
	--George Santayana


From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Sun Apr 19 14:22:29 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:22:29 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] patch: change buffer order -- most recently used
In-Reply-To: <20090419151450.GA9643@jg.home>
References: <87d4bau5w6.wl%tibi@tiborius.net> <20090419151450.GA9643@jg.home>
Message-ID: <49EB9615.3060006@vimperator.org>

On 04/19/2009 05:14 PM, Kris Maglione wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 03:06:49AM +0200, Tibor Cs?g?r wrote:
>>This small patch allows you to set an option ('taborder') so that the
>>order of buffers changes: the most recently used buffer is always the
>>first one.  My goal was to get an Emacs-like behavior (for that in the
>>switch-to-other-buffer dialogue the current buffer should be omitted
>>in the listing, but that is subject of another patch).
> 
> Nice, but I think this is probably better as a plugin.

I guess so too in the meanwhile, because afaik firefox 3.5, 3.6, 4.0 or
whatever will try to do something like that by default, making that code
kinda obsolete, therefore better as a plugin which should hopefully
be possible, haven't investigated that fully.

From dsjkvf at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 22:28:10 2009
From: dsjkvf at gmail.com (dsjkvf)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:28:10 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] HINTS style
Message-ID: <495cbab10904192228n2ce8affdq693f8c7a78a453ec@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Could someone help me with enlarging Hints' font size? I've tried something
like :hi -append Hint {font-size:20px}, but with no success, unfortunately.

thank you.


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From michael at sotto.be  Sun Apr 19 23:02:15 2009
From: michael at sotto.be (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBl_Willemot?=)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 08:02:15 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] HINTS style
In-Reply-To: <495cbab10904192228n2ce8affdq693f8c7a78a453ec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <495cbab10904192228n2ce8affdq693f8c7a78a453ec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68dc9e6f0904192302w442985fbocc5b9d6744609829@mail.gmail.com>

Try

:hi hint <Tab>
then edit the presented existing value and hit <CR>

Grtz,
Micha?l

-- 
Micha?l Willemot
michael at sotto.be
http://www.sotto.be

From dsjkvf at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 00:05:09 2009
From: dsjkvf at gmail.com (dsjkvf)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:05:09 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] HINTS style
In-Reply-To: <68dc9e6f0904192302w442985fbocc5b9d6744609829@mail.gmail.com>
References: <495cbab10904192228n2ce8affdq693f8c7a78a453ec@mail.gmail.com> 
	<68dc9e6f0904192302w442985fbocc5b9d6744609829@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <495cbab10904200005n345eb6fy29045e099ee223b8@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 09:02, Micha?l Willemot <michael at sotto.be> wrote:
> Try
> :hi hint <Tab>
> then edit the presented existing value and hit <CR>

when I press <Tab> I only receive the following:
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8751/hitns.jpg and no suggested
completions with any kind of value.


-- 
dsjvkf

From michael at sotto.be  Mon Apr 20 00:17:44 2009
From: michael at sotto.be (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBl_Willemot?=)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:17:44 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] HINTS style
In-Reply-To: <495cbab10904200005n345eb6fy29045e099ee223b8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <495cbab10904192228n2ce8affdq693f8c7a78a453ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<68dc9e6f0904192302w442985fbocc5b9d6744609829@mail.gmail.com>
	<495cbab10904200005n345eb6fy29045e099ee223b8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68dc9e6f0904200017h1ae722eaj2ce7c7b0ec91fe87@mail.gmail.com>

try
:hi hint<space><tab>

On 20/04/2009, dsjkvf <dsjkvf at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 09:02, Micha?l Willemot <michael at sotto.be> wrote:
>> Try
>> :hi hint <Tab>
>> then edit the presented existing value and hit <CR>
>
> when I press <Tab> I only receive the following:
> http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8751/hitns.jpg and no suggested
> completions with any kind of value.
>
>
> --
> dsjvkf
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>


-- 
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michael at sotto.be
http://www.sotto.be

From fb at intoxicatedmind.net  Mon Apr 20 00:18:24 2009
From: fb at intoxicatedmind.net (Frank Blendinger)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:18:24 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] HINTS style
In-Reply-To: <495cbab10904200005n345eb6fy29045e099ee223b8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <495cbab10904192228n2ce8affdq693f8c7a78a453ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<68dc9e6f0904192302w442985fbocc5b9d6744609829@mail.gmail.com>
	<495cbab10904200005n345eb6fy29045e099ee223b8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090420071824.GG6258@intoxicatedmind.net>

Hi.

On Mon 2009-04-20 10:05, dsjkvf <dsjkvf at gmail.com> proclaimed:
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 09:02, Micha?l Willemot <michael at sotto.be> wrote:
> > Try
> > :hi hint <Tab>
> > then edit the presented existing value and hit <CR>
> 
> when I press <Tab> I only receive the following:
> http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8751/hitns.jpg and no suggested
> completions with any kind of value.

Don't forget the space after ``Hint''.


Greetings,
Frank

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From dsjkvf at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 00:22:15 2009
From: dsjkvf at gmail.com (dsjkvf)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:22:15 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] HINTS style
In-Reply-To: <68dc9e6f0904200017h1ae722eaj2ce7c7b0ec91fe87@mail.gmail.com>
References: <495cbab10904192228n2ce8affdq693f8c7a78a453ec@mail.gmail.com> 
	<68dc9e6f0904192302w442985fbocc5b9d6744609829@mail.gmail.com> 
	<495cbab10904200005n345eb6fy29045e099ee223b8@mail.gmail.com> 
	<68dc9e6f0904200017h1ae722eaj2ce7c7b0ec91fe87@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <495cbab10904200022j2de08256hdb93a9f7110ff113@mail.gmail.com>

> try
> :hi hint<space><tab>

brilliant, thank you, Micha?l and Frank :)


-- 
dsjkvf

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 04:05:46 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 07:05:46 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] HINTS style
In-Reply-To: <495cbab10904192228n2ce8affdq693f8c7a78a453ec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <495cbab10904192228n2ce8affdq693f8c7a78a453ec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090420110546.GA21675@jg.home>

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 08:28:10AM +0300, dsjkvf wrote:
>Could someone help me with enlarging Hints' font size? I've tried something
>like :hi -append Hint {font-size:20px}, but with no success, unfortunately.

Leave out the braces.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Technology is dominated by two types of people: Those who understand
what they do not manage.  Those who manage what they do not
understand.
	--Putt's Law


From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Mon Apr 20 04:35:47 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:35:47 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] patch: change buffer order -- most recently used
In-Reply-To: <49EB9615.3060006@vimperator.org>
References: <87d4bau5w6.wl%tibi@tiborius.net> <20090419151450.GA9643@jg.home>
	<49EB9615.3060006@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904200435m4f41291exde2e858c4178f5bc@mail.gmail.com>

One of the main caveats of this patch is that it doesn't work for
middleclick opening
of tabs (which is probably the most often used one - at least by me).

From teramako at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 05:02:04 2009
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:02:04 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] [Patch]For Tree Style Tab and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <49E8A06F.4070804@vimperator.org>
References: <6eebba490904170813m41bc8fc7hb07ebaec3217f9a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49E8A06F.4070804@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <6eebba490904200502m5d61c725ubd206b62b804c7ff@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

My friend who is TreeStyleTab author and gave me the hints of creating
that patches said that ...

----quote------
> The general problem I have with this patch is that I don't like
> supporting old craft, and this just adds quite a lot of code
> for an old unsupported platform. On the other hand, these
> addons are quite popular, but we could also wait for them
> to drop the old FX2 compatibility code in future, than adding
> old code ourself.

He misunderstood the will of the library "tabFx2Compatible.*". The
library is completely designed for Firefox 3 addons.

By the patch introduced by
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=387345 we lost
extensibility of tabs. To insert our custom elements to tabs, now we
MUST use custom binding like vimperator.

However, if we wish to use multiple addons which include tab features
together, they MUST conflict because they madly scramble to apply
their each binding.

So, to develop tab addons without conflict, I designed the library.
The library only provides extensibility to Firefox 3 tabs, equivalent
of Firefox 2's. Using the library and inserting custom elements via
DOM operations dynamically, we developers can make our tab addons
compatible to others. That is good for not only us but end users.
----quote------

I agree with the opinion

best regards.
----
teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/




On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 00:29, Martin Stubenschrott
<stubenschrott at vimperator.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 04/17/2009 05:13 PM, M.Terada wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to fix the following progrems
>
> That's good and thanks for the patch.
>
>> Notes:
>> ?* I tested on only Windows.
>
>
> Can somebody test on linux/mac?
>
> The general problem I have with this patch is that I don't like
> supporting old craft, and this just adds quite a lot of code
> for an old unsupported platform. On the other hand, these
> addons are quite popular, but we could also wait for them
> to drop the old FX2 compatibility code in future, than adding
> old code ourself.
>
> What do others think about this issue? What's better?
>
> --
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 06:48:48 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:48:48 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [Patch]For Tree Style Tab and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <6eebba490904200502m5d61c725ubd206b62b804c7ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6eebba490904170813m41bc8fc7hb07ebaec3217f9a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49E8A06F.4070804@vimperator.org>
	<6eebba490904200502m5d61c725ubd206b62b804c7ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090420134848.GB21675@jg.home>

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 09:02:04PM +0900, M.Terada wrote:
>So, to develop tab addons without conflict, I designed the library.
>The library only provides extensibility to Firefox 3 tabs, equivalent
>of Firefox 2's. Using the library and inserting custom elements via
>DOM operations dynamically, we developers can make our tab addons
>compatible to others. That is good for not only us but end users.

That makes sense.

-- 
Kris Maglione

The wireless telegraph is not difficult to understand.  The ordinary
telegraph is like a very long cat.  You pull the tail in New York, and
it meows in Los Angeles.  The wireless is the same, only without the
cat.
	--Albert Einstein


From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Mon Apr 20 07:18:17 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:18:17 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [Patch]For Tree Style Tab and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <20090420134848.GB21675@jg.home>
References: <6eebba490904170813m41bc8fc7hb07ebaec3217f9a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49E8A06F.4070804@vimperator.org>
	<6eebba490904200502m5d61c725ubd206b62b804c7ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090420134848.GB21675@jg.home>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904200718g725396d0qd60aecb3e8cb5f2d@mail.gmail.com>

Is that Tab "library" already in widespread use by tab addon authors
or does that just fix that single extension? (as TMP should work with
vimp git anyway, unless users have tab numbers).

From jan.h.xie at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 08:05:00 2009
From: jan.h.xie at gmail.com (Jan)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:05:00 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] [Patch]For Tree Style Tab and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <49E8A06F.4070804@vimperator.org>
References: <6eebba490904170813m41bc8fc7hb07ebaec3217f9a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49E8A06F.4070804@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <20090420150500.GA380@aiur>

* Martin Stubenschrott <stubenschrott at vimperator.org> [2009-04-17 17:29:51 +0200]:

> Can somebody test on linux/mac?

Works well here.

archlinux on macbook 5,1
firefox 3.0.8

Thanks,
Jan


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From mftian at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 10:22:20 2009
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:22:20 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] localized docs support for Vimperator
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0904201022l44bc5eaaqc89d00c66a0c00e4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all

Attached is a patch file for localized documentation support for
Vimperator. With this patch, doc files of languages other than English
can be used. It adds two commands:

    :instdoc [a]docfile[a]

and

    :rmdoc

to install and remove localized help files. Detailed info is in a new
help file: localization.txt.

Also, a new option has been added to allow switching back to English docs:

    'localdoc' 'ld'

A few doc and conf files are updated.

It's still incomplete though, as in Tutorials I've no idea where is
the right place to put the section 'localization'. Also my English is
limited, feel free to correct it when necessary.  Thanks.

-- Xie
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|localization| +

Localized help files could be installed and removed.

|:instd| |:instdoc| +
||:instd[oc] [a]docfile[a]|| +
________________________________________________________________________________
Install a zipped package of localized Vimperator documentation. The content of
the zip file will be extracted at _~/.vimperator/doc_ .
________________________________________________________________________________


|:rmd| |:rmdoc| +
||:rmd[oc]|| +
________________________________________________________________________________
Remove the installed localized documentation. If there is no localized docs
installed, nothing will happen.
________________________________________________________________________________

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From mftian at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 10:29:09 2009
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:29:09 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] localized docs support for Vimperator
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0904201022l44bc5eaaqc89d00c66a0c00e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0904201022l44bc5eaaqc89d00c66a0c00e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0904201029o30128018pbd1fadffb9d4539a@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/21 Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com>:
> Hi all
>
> Attached is a patch file for localized documentation support for
> Vimperator. With this patch, doc files of languages other than English
> can be used. It adds two commands:
>
> ? ?:instdoc [a]docfile[a]
>
> and
>
> ? ?:rmdoc
>
> to install and remove localized help files. Detailed info is in a new
> help file: localization.txt.
>
> Also, a new option has been added to allow switching back to English docs:
>
> ? ?'localdoc' 'ld'
>
> A few doc and conf files are updated.
>
> It's still incomplete though, as in Tutorials I've no idea where is
> the right place to put the section 'localization'. Also my English is
> limited, feel free to correct it when necessary. ?Thanks.
>
> -- Xie
>

This patch has been tested under Windows and Linux, with Firefox 3.1b3
and 3.08. I don't have a mac so it's behavior under mac is not
guaranteed.

-- Xie

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 10:29:38 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:29:38 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] localized docs support for Vimperator
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0904201022l44bc5eaaqc89d00c66a0c00e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0904201022l44bc5eaaqc89d00c66a0c00e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090420172938.GC21675@jg.home>

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 01:22:20AM +0800, Xie&Tian wrote:
>Attached is a patch file for localized documentation support for
>Vimperator. With this patch, doc files of languages other than English
>can be used. It adds two commands:
>
>    :instdoc [a]docfile[a]
>
>and
>
>    :rmdoc
>
>to install and remove localized help files. Detailed info is in a new
>help file: localization.txt.

I think this is a good idea, and seems well written. The only 
suggestion I have is that it should be able to automatically 
fetch locales from vimperator.org when given a locale or 
language name (and it should be able to list the available 
locales), and it should probably be able to automatically update 
such packages when Vimperator is updated (or just when they 
change).

-- 
Kris Maglione

Organizations which design systems are constrained to produce designs
which are copies of the communication structures of these
organizations.  (For example, if you have four groups working on a
compiler, you?ll get a 4-pass compiler)
	--Conway?s Law


From pfpearson at mchsi.com  Mon Apr 20 12:46:55 2009
From: pfpearson at mchsi.com (pfpearson at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:46:55 +0000
Subject: [Vimperator] New user, newbie question about bookmarks?
Message-ID: <042020091946.15046.49ECD12F0006218400003AC6223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF02019C9D0E0A9F009F@mchsi.com>

I just discovered vimperator last Friday and already love it.  If my questions are too "newbie" please forgive me.  If "RTFM" is the best answer, that's OK; just please let me know where to find the "fine manual" ;-)

My main confusion is with using the bookmarks I've already set in Firefox. As documented, the :bmarks command only shows the bookmarks, and does have the option to follow them.

I tried using :open -tags, but couldn't get vimperator to recognize the tag that I applied to the existing bookmark (the tag was added using the Firefox Bookmarks editor).  It kept taking me to google.

Do I have to use QuickMarks to get easy access to the few bookmarks that I use often?

Also on the subject of bookmarks, how hard would it be to just open the HTML file that Firefox uses for it's bookmarks?  Then I could use vimperator's *excellent* HTML viewing features to follow the bookmark of interest. 

--
Paul F. Pearson
We all laugh in the same language



From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 12:50:57 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:50:57 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] New user, newbie question about bookmarks?
In-Reply-To: <042020091946.15046.49ECD12F0006218400003AC6223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF02019C9D0E0A9F009F@mchsi.com>
References: <042020091946.15046.49ECD12F0006218400003AC6223245003003010CD2079C080C03BF02019C9D0E0A9F009F@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20090420195057.GD21675@jg.home>

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 07:46:55PM +0000, pfpearson at mchsi.com wrote:
>I just discovered vimperator last Friday and already love it.  
>If my questions are too "newbie" please forgive me.  If "RTFM" 
>is the best answer, that's OK; just please let me know where to 
>find the "fine manual" ;-)

:help

>My main confusion is with using the bookmarks I've already set 
>in Firefox. As documented, the :bmarks command only shows the 
>bookmarks, and does have the option to follow them.

:bmarks!
:h ;
;o

Also,
:h 'cpt'

>Do I have to use QuickMarks to get easy access to the few 
>bookmarks that I use often?

No, just use :open

>Also on the subject of bookmarks, how hard would it be to just 
>open the HTML file that Firefox uses for it's bookmarks?  Then 
>I could use vimperator's *excellent* HTML viewing features to 
>follow the bookmark of interest. 

It wouldn't be hard, if it used an html file, which it doesn't. 
If you want an HTML view, use :bmarks (which is just that).

-- 
Kris Maglione

Fast, fat computers breed slow, lazy programmers.
	--Robert Hummel


From mftian at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 20:26:00 2009
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:26:00 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] localized docs support for Vimperator
In-Reply-To: <20090420172938.GC21675@jg.home>
References: <a28ffaac0904201022l44bc5eaaqc89d00c66a0c00e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090420172938.GC21675@jg.home>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0904202026j561e893epe0e5f920b41ba8c7@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/21 Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com>:
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 01:22:20AM +0800, Xie&Tian wrote:
>>
>> Attached is a patch file for localized documentation support for
>> Vimperator. With this patch, doc files of languages other than English
>> can be used. It adds two commands:
>>
>> ? :instdoc [a]docfile[a]
>>
>> and
>>
>> ? :rmdoc
>>
>> to install and remove localized help files. Detailed info is in a new
>> help file: localization.txt.
>
> I think this is a good idea, and seems well written. The only suggestion I
> have is that it should be able to automatically fetch locales from
> vimperator.org when given a locale or language name (and it should be able
> to list the available locales), and it should probably be able to
> automatically update such packages when Vimperator is updated (or just when
> they change).

Thank you for your advice, Kris. If it could install localized docs
online, vimperator.org will expose a webservice api, right?

>
> --
> Kris Maglione
>
> Organizations which design systems are constrained to produce designs
> which are copies of the communication structures of these
> organizations. ?(For example, if you have four groups working on a
> compiler, you?ll get a 4-pass compiler)
> ? ? ? ?--Conway?s Law
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 20:43:39 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:43:39 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] localized docs support for Vimperator
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0904202026j561e893epe0e5f920b41ba8c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0904201022l44bc5eaaqc89d00c66a0c00e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090420172938.GC21675@jg.home>
	<a28ffaac0904202026j561e893epe0e5f920b41ba8c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090421034339.GE21675@jg.home>

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:26:00AM +0800, Xie&Tian wrote:
>Thank you for your advice, Kris. If it could install localized docs
>online, vimperator.org will expose a webservice api, right?

Well, I don't think we really need an API, so much as a 
directory structure...

/dist/vimperator/docs/INDEX
/dist/vimperator/docs/$version/INDEX
/dist/vimperator/docs/$version/$lang/ChangeLog
/dist/vimperator/docs/$version/$lang/$revision.jar

or something like that. The index files would be formatted 
something like:

/INDEX:
2.0
2.0.1

/$version/INDEX:
zh-CN Chinese Simplified (????)

-- 
Kris Maglione

The key to performance is elegance, not battalions of special cases.
	--Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy


From mftian at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 20:57:07 2009
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:57:07 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] localized docs support for Vimperator
In-Reply-To: <20090421034339.GE21675@jg.home>
References: <a28ffaac0904201022l44bc5eaaqc89d00c66a0c00e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090420172938.GC21675@jg.home>
	<a28ffaac0904202026j561e893epe0e5f920b41ba8c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090421034339.GE21675@jg.home>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0904202057g535979exdb8f71405a5af3b1@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/21 Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com>:
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:26:00AM +0800, Xie&Tian wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for your advice, Kris. If it could install localized docs
>> online, vimperator.org will expose a webservice api, right?
>
> Well, I don't think we really need an API, so much as a directory
> structure...
>
> /dist/vimperator/docs/INDEX
> /dist/vimperator/docs/$version/INDEX
> /dist/vimperator/docs/$version/$lang/ChangeLog
> /dist/vimperator/docs/$version/$lang/$revision.jar
>
> or something like that. The index files would be formatted something like:
>
> /INDEX:
> 2.0
> 2.0.1
>
> /$version/INDEX:
> zh-CN Chinese Simplified (????)
>

Good idea, problem solved. Plus, I'll preserve the ability to install
docs from local file system in case of bad network.

> --
> Kris Maglione
>
> The key to performance is elegance, not battalions of special cases.
> ? ? ? ?--Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Tue Apr 21 01:47:49 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:47:49 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] localized docs support for Vimperator
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0904201022l44bc5eaaqc89d00c66a0c00e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0904201022l44bc5eaaqc89d00c66a0c00e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904210147v285b3e21t7e924bebfb55d4c2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!

first of all, thanks a lot for this patch, seems nicely written, and
soon to be mergable!

Just a few comments:

1.)
let zipReader =
Cc["@mozilla.org/libjar/zip-reader;1"].createInstance(Ci.nsIZipReader);
should be services.create("zip") (which needs to be added to
services.js, but that should be simple.

2.)
if (file.exists())
+                    {
+                        liberator.echomsg(file.leafName + ": file
already exists!", 2);
+                        continue;
+                    }

shouldn't we just overwrite (updated) localized docs?

3.)
+                let dir = io.getFile(IO.runtimePath);
+                dir.append("doc");
+                if (!dir.exists() || !dir.isDirectory())
+                    return;

Should be io.getRuntimeDirectories("doc"). Attention: that might
return more than
1 directory.

4.)
Is there a fallback? It would be nice, if there is no localized
doc/search.html e.g., it would
still use chrome://.../search.html

5.)
Since the user must install the localized docs by hand, I don't think we need a
localdoc option. We might use :help! bla though for forcing english help.

6.)
Without Kris comment about autofetching, I would have proposed to
reuse :source helpfile.zip
instead of :insthelp and drop :rmhelp altogether. I am not sure how
expensive autofetching is,
and if people really want additional things to be auto-downloaded
automatically (and I don't like
many more options for such things). What's the opinion of others here?
The problem of autoupdating is, that at the time we release a new vimp
version, i am quite sure
localizers will need a few more days to release updated docs. So a
simple check when vimperator
was updated will probably not be enough, and i surely will not check
for updated docs at every
startup of vimperator.

Anyway, once we sort out these small things, localizing will be easy
for all parties (users, developers,
localizers) while not bloating vimperator.

--
Martin

From teramako at gmail.com  Tue Apr 21 04:06:09 2009
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:06:09 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] [Patch]For Tree Style Tab and Tab Mix Plus
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904200718g725396d0qd60aecb3e8cb5f2d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6eebba490904170813m41bc8fc7hb07ebaec3217f9a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49E8A06F.4070804@vimperator.org>
	<6eebba490904200502m5d61c725ubd206b62b804c7ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090420134848.GB21675@jg.home>
	<aaae92100904200718g725396d0qd60aecb3e8cb5f2d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6eebba490904210406q47925915sf93022b5985432d1@mail.gmail.com>

> Is that Tab "library" already in widespread use by tab addon authors
> or does that just fix that single extension? (as TMP should work with
> vimp git anyway, unless users have tab numbers).
probably not...
I think that "library" used by only TreeStyleTab author.
so that patches have a risk conflict between Vimperator and the other
extension...
----
teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/




On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 23:18, Martin Stubenschrott
<maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
> Is that Tab "library" already in widespread use by tab addon authors
> or does that just fix that single extension? (as TMP should work with
> vimp git anyway, unless users have tab numbers).
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From mftian at gmail.com  Tue Apr 21 07:55:36 2009
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:55:36 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] localized docs support for Vimperator
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904210147v285b3e21t7e924bebfb55d4c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0904201022l44bc5eaaqc89d00c66a0c00e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904210147v285b3e21t7e924bebfb55d4c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0904210755q75eab991l106b7fb0789ae856@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/21 Martin Stubenschrott <maxauthority at vimperator.org>:
> Hi!
>
> first of all, thanks a lot for this patch, seems nicely written, and
> soon to be mergable!
>
> Just a few comments:
>
> 1.)
> let zipReader =
> Cc["@mozilla.org/libjar/zip-reader;1"].createInstance(Ci.nsIZipReader);
> should be services.create("zip") (which needs to be added to
> services.js, but that should be simple.
>
> 2.)
> if (file.exists())
> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?{
> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?liberator.echomsg(file.leafName + ": file
> already exists!", 2);
> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?continue;
> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?}
>
> shouldn't we just overwrite (updated) localized docs?
>
> 3.)
> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?let dir = io.getFile(IO.runtimePath);
> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?dir.append("doc");
> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?if (!dir.exists() || !dir.isDirectory())
> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?return;
>
> Should be io.getRuntimeDirectories("doc"). Attention: that might
> return more than
> 1 directory.
>
> 4.)
> Is there a fallback? It would be nice, if there is no localized
> doc/search.html e.g., it would
> still use chrome://.../search.html
>
> 5.)
> Since the user must install the localized docs by hand, I don't think we need a
> localdoc option. We might use :help! bla though for forcing english help.
>
> 6.)
> Without Kris comment about autofetching, I would have proposed to
> reuse :source helpfile.zip
> instead of :insthelp and drop :rmhelp altogether. I am not sure how
> expensive autofetching is,
> and if people really want additional things to be auto-downloaded
> automatically (and I don't like
> many more options for such things). What's the opinion of others here?
> The problem of autoupdating is, that at the time we release a new vimp
> version, i am quite sure
> localizers will need a few more days to release updated docs. So a
> simple check when vimperator
> was updated will probably not be enough, and i surely will not check
> for updated docs at every
> startup of vimperator.
>
> Anyway, once we sort out these small things, localizing will be easy
> for all parties (users, developers,
> localizers) while not bloating vimperator.
>
> --
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

Thanks for your comments, Martin. About auto-fetching, Kris' advice is
feasible, using ajax to get available localized docs and download and
install the one user chooses automatically. With the patch I
previously attached, one needs to manually download the package and
install it.

On the other side, auto-updating does not seem to be promising. So far
I've no idea how to implement this feature.

-- Xie

From lizhengs.mailinglists at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 03:36:25 2009
From: lizhengs.mailinglists at gmail.com (Zheng Li)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:36:25 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Xmarks(bookmarks) conflicts with vimperator?
Message-ID: <49EEF329.7060501@gmail.com>

Hi,everyone,
In some unclear situations, I cannot add bookmarks by pressing 'a' when
Xmarks is active. Does everyone encounter this problem?
Best wishes
Zheng
2009-4-22

From mftian at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 04:28:35 2009
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:28:35 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Xmarks(bookmarks) conflicts with vimperator?
In-Reply-To: <49EEF329.7060501@gmail.com>
References: <49EEF329.7060501@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0904220428j6b11f65cr3a06774c345c541c@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/22 Zheng Li <lizhengs.mailinglists at gmail.com>:
> Hi,everyone,
> In some unclear situations, I cannot add bookmarks by pressing 'a' when
> Xmarks is active. Does everyone encounter this problem?
> Best wishes
> Zheng
> 2009-4-22
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

If it is not repeatable, it's really hard to tell.

-- Xie

From pfpearson at mchsi.com  Wed Apr 22 08:38:24 2009
From: pfpearson at mchsi.com (pfpearson at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:38:24 +0000
Subject: [Vimperator] (no subject)
Message-ID: <042220091538.18516.49EF39F0000BDF6400004854223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF02019C9D0E0A9F009F@mchsi.com>

Hi, Kris.  Thanks for the help.

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:50:57 -0400, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 07:46:55PM +0000, pfpearson at mchsi.com wrote:
>>please let me know where to 
>>find the "fine manual" ;-)
>
>:help

Thanks.  I'd found that already (and it's quite useful!)

>>My main confusion is with using the bookmarks I've already set 
>>in Firefox. As documented, the :bmarks command only shows the 
>>bookmarks, and does have the option to follow them.
>
>:bmarks!
>:h ;
>;o

;o is *exactly* what I was looking for. It wasn't clear to me from the docs that ;o would work on the bookmarks.  I'd tried :f and it hadn't worked.  Am I overlooking something in the docs that says ;o works in the bookmarks?
 
>:h 'cpt'

Ahh.  I'd meant to read up on complete and forgotten to. I'll try using that, too.

>>Also on the subject of bookmarks, how hard would it be to just 
>>open the HTML file that Firefox uses for it's bookmarks?  Then 
>
>It wouldn't be hard, if it used an html file, which it doesn't. 
>If you want an HTML view, use :bmarks (which is just that).

Yeah, when I was Googling for the location of the bookmark file (after I posted my questions), I saw that Firefox no longer uses HTML as the bookmark format.  Sorry for the uninformed question.

Again, I *love* vimperator.  My coworkers think I'm nuts, but it really makes life nice.

--
Paul F. Pearson
We all laugh in the same language


From eigensolver at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 08:50:52 2009
From: eigensolver at gmail.com (Y. Hida)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:50:52 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] mapping the minus and the space key
References: <slrngts83b.bb0.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>
Message-ID: <slrnguuf6s.ufn.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>

On 2009-04-09, eigensolver wrote:
> Is there a way to map the minus "-" key?  By default it seems to be
> mapped to zoom out (zo), and I can't seem to be able to remap it.
>
> Similarly, I can't seem to map the space key either.
>
> I'm using Vimperator 2.0.  I think it used to work in Vimperator 1.2.

I'm pinging this just to make sure mail didn't get lost somewhere :-)

-Yozo




From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 11:28:06 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:28:06 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] mapping the minus and the space key
In-Reply-To: <slrnguuf6s.ufn.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>
References: <slrngts83b.bb0.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>
	<slrnguuf6s.ufn.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>
Message-ID: <20090422181137.GA7672@jg.home>

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 11:50:52AM -0400, Y. Hida wrote:
>On 2009-04-09, eigensolver wrote:
>> Is there a way to map the minus "-" key?  By default it seems to be
>> mapped to zoom out (zo), and I can't seem to be able to remap it.
>>
>> Similarly, I can't seem to map the space key either.
>>
>> I'm using Vimperator 2.0.  I think it used to work in Vimperator 1.2.
>
>I'm pinging this just to make sure mail didn't get lost somewhere :-)

<Minus>, <Space>

-- 
Kris Maglione

If you don't think carefully, you might think that programming is just
typing statements in a programming language.
	--Ward Cunningham


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 11:28:06 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:28:06 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] mapping the minus and the space key
In-Reply-To: <slrnguuf6s.ufn.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>
References: <slrngts83b.bb0.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>
	<slrnguuf6s.ufn.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>
Message-ID: <20090422181137.GA7672@jg.home>

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 11:50:52AM -0400, Y. Hida wrote:
>On 2009-04-09, eigensolver wrote:
>> Is there a way to map the minus "-" key?  By default it seems to be
>> mapped to zoom out (zo), and I can't seem to be able to remap it.
>>
>> Similarly, I can't seem to map the space key either.
>>
>> I'm using Vimperator 2.0.  I think it used to work in Vimperator 1.2.
>
>I'm pinging this just to make sure mail didn't get lost somewhere :-)

<Minus>, <Space>

-- 
Kris Maglione

If you don't think carefully, you might think that programming is just
typing statements in a programming language.
	--Ward Cunningham


From vimperator at vanhoecke.org  Wed Apr 22 11:43:41 2009
From: vimperator at vanhoecke.org (Guido Van Hoecke)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:43:41 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] email adres coiffeur
Message-ID: <49EF655D.7090700@vanhoecke.org>

p3,

Adres is etienne_roels at telenet.be

Guido

--
For there are moments when one can neither think nor feel.  And if one
can neither think nor feel, she thought, where is one?
                -- Virginia Woolf, "To the Lighthouse"

[Quoted in "VMS Internals and Data Structures", V4.4, when
referring to powerfail recovery.]

http://vanhoecke.org ... and go2 places!


From vimperator at vanhoecke.org  Wed Apr 22 11:57:25 2009
From: vimperator at vanhoecke.org (Guido Van Hoecke)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:57:25 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] email adres coiffeur
In-Reply-To: <49EF655D.7090700@vanhoecke.org>
References: <49EF655D.7090700@vanhoecke.org>
Message-ID: <49EF6895.4010404@vanhoecke.org>

I'm so sorry. I have been tricked by Thunderbird's 'Folder account'
extension. I was mailing while in my vimperator folder, so it got sent
to the mailing list, and it used my vimperator email address.

Sorry for the noise,

Guido

--
You are fighting for survival in your own sweet and gentle way.

http://vanhoecke.org ... and go2 places!


From eigensolver at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 12:18:43 2009
From: eigensolver at gmail.com (Y. Hida)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:18:43 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] mapping the minus and the space key
References: <slrngts83b.bb0.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>
	<slrnguuf6s.ufn.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>
	<20090422181137.GA7672@jg.home>
Message-ID: <slrnguurcj.kh8.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>

On 2009-04-22, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 11:50:52AM -0400, Y. Hida wrote:
>>On 2009-04-09, eigensolver wrote:
>>> Is there a way to map the minus "-" key?  By default it seems to be
>>> mapped to zoom out (zo), and I can't seem to be able to remap it.
>>>
>>> Similarly, I can't seem to map the space key either.
>>>
>>> I'm using Vimperator 2.0.  I think it used to work in Vimperator 1.2.
>>
>>I'm pinging this just to make sure mail didn't get lost somewhere :-)
>
><Minus>, <Space>
>

Hmm, it doesn't seem to work for me.  For example, 

  :map <Minus> <C-b>

seem to have no effect.  Hitting the minus still zooms out, even
though :map shows that it is mapped to <C-b>.

-Yozo

  



From jayhill at jayhill.net  Thu Apr 23 12:14:41 2009
From: jayhill at jayhill.net (J Hill)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:14:41 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] _vimperatorrc mappings in caret/normal/visual modes
Message-ID: <002101c9c447$f542af00$dfc80d00$@net>

I use a Dvorak keyboard layout, so in order to keep basic navigation keys on
the home row, right hand, I remap a number of keys using :noremap in a
_vimeratorrc file.

 

This works fine in the default mode, while navigating pages, but the
mappings aren't carried over into caret and visual modes.

 

Is this expected behaviour?  Any suggestions?  

 

Thank you!

 

Jay

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From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Thu Apr 23 12:27:19 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:27:19 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] _vimperatorrc mappings in caret/normal/visual modes
In-Reply-To: <002101c9c447$f542af00$dfc80d00$@net>
References: <002101c9c447$f542af00$dfc80d00$@net>
Message-ID: <49F0C117.9040705@vimperator.org>

On 04/23/2009 09:14 PM, J Hill wrote:

> This works fine in the default mode, while navigating pages, but the
> mappings aren?t carried over into caret and visual modes.
> 
> Is this expected behaviour?  Any suggestions? 


It is expected, but we do not have a :caretmap function.

Kris suggested changing the things to :map -modes=normal,caret ...
etc. if we ever do it (i am still not sure about this
"non-compatible" idea), it would be easier.

--
Martin

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr 23 12:30:54 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:30:54 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] _vimperatorrc mappings in caret/normal/visual	modes
In-Reply-To: <002101c9c447$f542af00$dfc80d00$@net>
References: <002101c9c447$f542af00$dfc80d00$@net>
Message-ID: <20090423193054.GB3524@jg.home>

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 03:14:41PM -0400, J Hill wrote:
>This works fine in the default mode, while navigating pages, but the
>mappings aren't carried over into caret and visual modes.
>
>Is this expected behaviour?  Any suggestions?  

Yes, it's the intended behavior. :map is for normal mode. 
There's currently no way to assign mappings for caret mode 
(which is, in part, because none of the devs use it, and in part 
because our mapping syntax is carried over from vim).

-- 
Kris Maglione

TeX has found at least one bug in every Pascal compiler it's been run
on, I think, and at least two in every C compiler.
	--Donald Knuth


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr 23 12:31:34 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:31:34 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] _vimperatorrc mappings in caret/normal/visual	modes
In-Reply-To: <49F0C117.9040705@vimperator.org>
References: <002101c9c447$f542af00$dfc80d00$@net>
	<49F0C117.9040705@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <20090423193134.GC3524@jg.home>

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 09:27:19PM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>Kris suggested changing the things to :map -modes=normal,caret ...
>etc. if we ever do it (i am still not sure about this
>"non-compatible" idea), it would be easier.

It's not incompatible either.

-- 
Kris Maglione

You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to
your grandmother.
	--Albert Einstein


From moneylcj at foxmail.com  Thu Apr 23 21:11:20 2009
From: moneylcj at foxmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?bW9uZXlsY2o=?=)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:11:20 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] I don't want to use TEXTAREA mode while i am editing
	in textarea. How can i do it?
Message-ID: <tencent_11F4DC43731DE1B12925E6A8@qq.com>


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From nathan.neff at gmail.com  Thu Apr 23 22:00:26 2009
From: nathan.neff at gmail.com (Nathan Neff)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:00:26 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Font Size
Message-ID: <211769420904232200o68e28a11x8dee7e67d16f32c5@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I would like to know how to increase the font size that's displayed
at the bottom of the browser in Vimperator.

I downloaded the .vimp files from

http://github.com/VoQn/vimperator-colorscheme/tree/master

And I like the font size, but don't like the colors.

How can I just increase the font size of the text that's displayed in
the Vimperator section of the browser?

Note:  I tried copying the 'default.vimp' to 'mysettings.vimp', then
using :colo mysettings.vimp from the command line, but Vimperator 2.0
just echoes the contents of the vimp file, and doesn't change
anything.

All I want to do is increase the font that's the Vimperator displays.

Thanks in advance.

--Nate

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr 23 22:08:49 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 01:08:49 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Font Size
In-Reply-To: <211769420904232200o68e28a11x8dee7e67d16f32c5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <211769420904232200o68e28a11x8dee7e67d16f32c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090424050849.GD3524@jg.home>

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:00:26AM -0500, Nathan Neff wrote:
>Hello,
>Note:  I tried copying the 'default.vimp' to 'mysettings.vimp', then
>using :colo mysettings.vimp from the command line, but Vimperator 2.0
>just echoes the contents of the vimp file, and doesn't change
>anything.

Why?

>All I want to do is increase the font that's the Vimperator displays.

:h highlight

:hi -a StatusLine font-size: 120%;

-- 
Kris Maglione

Testing can only prove the presence of bugs, not their absence.
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


From mftian at gmail.com  Thu Apr 23 23:32:54 2009
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:32:54 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] localized docs support for Vimperator
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0904210755q75eab991l106b7fb0789ae856@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0904201022l44bc5eaaqc89d00c66a0c00e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904210147v285b3e21t7e924bebfb55d4c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904210755q75eab991l106b7fb0789ae856@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0904232332t67517f15m4957821ab5950fc7@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/21 Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com>:
> 2009/4/21 Martin Stubenschrott <maxauthority at vimperator.org>:
>> Hi!
>>
>> first of all, thanks a lot for this patch, seems nicely written, and
>> soon to be mergable!
>>
>> Just a few comments:
>>
>> 1.)
>> let zipReader =
>> Cc["@mozilla.org/libjar/zip-reader;1"].createInstance(Ci.nsIZipReader);
>> should be services.create("zip") (which needs to be added to
>> services.js, but that should be simple.
>>
>> 2.)
>> if (file.exists())
>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?{
>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?liberator.echomsg(file.leafName + ": file
>> already exists!", 2);
>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?continue;
>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?}
>>
>> shouldn't we just overwrite (updated) localized docs?
>>
>> 3.)
>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?let dir = io.getFile(IO.runtimePath);
>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?dir.append("doc");
>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?if (!dir.exists() || !dir.isDirectory())
>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?return;
>>
>> Should be io.getRuntimeDirectories("doc"). Attention: that might
>> return more than
>> 1 directory.
>>
>> 4.)
>> Is there a fallback? It would be nice, if there is no localized
>> doc/search.html e.g., it would
>> still use chrome://.../search.html
>>
>> 5.)
>> Since the user must install the localized docs by hand, I don't think we need a
>> localdoc option. We might use :help! bla though for forcing english help.
>>
>> 6.)
>> Without Kris comment about autofetching, I would have proposed to
>> reuse :source helpfile.zip
>> instead of :insthelp and drop :rmhelp altogether. I am not sure how
>> expensive autofetching is,
>> and if people really want additional things to be auto-downloaded
>> automatically (and I don't like
>> many more options for such things). What's the opinion of others here?
>> The problem of autoupdating is, that at the time we release a new vimp
>> version, i am quite sure
>> localizers will need a few more days to release updated docs. So a
>> simple check when vimperator
>> was updated will probably not be enough, and i surely will not check
>> for updated docs at every
>> startup of vimperator.
>>
>> Anyway, once we sort out these small things, localizing will be easy
>> for all parties (users, developers,
>> localizers) while not bloating vimperator.
>>
>> --
>> Martin
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>
> Thanks for your comments, Martin. About auto-fetching, Kris' advice is
> feasible, using ajax to get available localized docs and download and
> install the one user chooses automatically. With the patch I
> previously attached, one needs to manually download the package and
> install it.
>
> On the other side, auto-updating does not seem to be promising. So far
> I've no idea how to implement this feature.
>
> -- Xie
>

Here comes the new patch.

":instdoc" will now fetch available locales from
http://download.vimperator.org/vimperator/doc/$VERSION/INDEX and will
download the one user chooses at
http://download.vimperator.org/vimperator/doc/$VERSION/$LOCALE/doc.zip.
If [!] is specified, it accepts an argument of local doc package, just
like the old patch.

":rmdoc" command remains unchanged. "localdoc" option is removed.

":help!" will now open English help if localized docs have been
installed. There is still no fallback mechanism but we can prevent the
404 error by making sure the integrality of every package.

Documentations for changes above have been update. Feel free to make
any comment. Thanks.

-- Xie
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HEADER

|localization| +

Localized help files could be installed and removed.

|:instd| |:instdoc| +
||:instd[oc][!] [a]locale[a]|| +
________________________________________________________________________________
Install localized help files. Doc packages in different languages for different 
Vimperator versions are placed at http://download.vimperator.org/vimperator/doc/
This command will auto-fetch the available locales and download and install the 
one user chooses.

With [!], the argument should be path to a local doc package.

Doc files will be at the first directory in 'runtimepath' option.
________________________________________________________________________________


|:rmd| |:rmdoc| +
||:rmd[oc]|| +
________________________________________________________________________________
Remove the installed localized documentation. All _doc_ subdirectory in 
directories specified by 'runtimepath' option will be removed.
________________________________________________________________________________

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From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Fri Apr 24 00:11:12 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:11:12 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] I don't want to use TEXTAREA mode while i am
 editing in textarea. How can i do it?
In-Reply-To: <tencent_11F4DC43731DE1B12925E6A8@qq.com>
References: <tencent_11F4DC43731DE1B12925E6A8@qq.com>
Message-ID: <49F16610.1010406@vimperator.org>

TEXTAREA is really an optional feature.

Just don't press ctrl-t or don't :set insertmode.

From nathan.neff at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 11:13:14 2009
From: nathan.neff at gmail.com (Nathan Neff)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:13:14 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Font Size
In-Reply-To: <20090424050849.GD3524@jg.home>
References: <211769420904232200o68e28a11x8dee7e67d16f32c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090424050849.GD3524@jg.home>
Message-ID: <211769420904241113h7432235en19d35ca154b4530a@mail.gmail.com>

>> Hello,
>> Note:  I tried copying the 'default.vimp' to 'mysettings.vimp', then
>> using :colo mysettings.vimp from the command line, but Vimperator 2.0
>> just echoes the contents of the vimp file, and doesn't change
>> anything.
>
> Why?

I wanted to create my own "vimp" settings.  Am I way off base?
Why does Vimperator echo the contents when I say :colo mysettings.vimp?

> :hi -a StatusLine font-size: 120%;
Thanks.

By the way Kris -- WMII is awesome (awesome the adjective, not the
windowmanager :-)

Good to see you on the Vimperator mailing list.

--Nate

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:00:26AM -0500, Nathan Neff wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>> Note: ?I tried copying the 'default.vimp' to 'mysettings.vimp', then
>> using :colo mysettings.vimp from the command line, but Vimperator 2.0
>> just echoes the contents of the vimp file, and doesn't change
>> anything.
>
> Why?
>
>> All I want to do is increase the font that's the Vimperator displays.
>
> :h highlight
>
> :hi -a StatusLine font-size: 120%;
>
> --
> Kris Maglione
>
> Testing can only prove the presence of bugs, not their absence.
> ? ? ? ?--Edsger W. Dijkstra
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 11:49:00 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:49:00 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Font Size
In-Reply-To: <211769420904241113h7432235en19d35ca154b4530a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <211769420904232200o68e28a11x8dee7e67d16f32c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090424050849.GD3524@jg.home>
	<211769420904241113h7432235en19d35ca154b4530a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090424184900.GE3524@jg.home>

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 01:13:14PM -0500, Nathan Neff wrote:
>I wanted to create my own "vimp" settings.  Am I way off base?
>Why does Vimperator echo the contents when I say :colo mysettings.vimp?

It shouldn't. Try leaving out the .vimp.

You don't need to duplicate the defaults. Just enter the values 
that you want to change.

>By the way Kris -- WMII is awesome (awesome the adjective, not the
>windowmanager :-)

Thanks. Maybe you'd be interested in this:

http://vimperator.org/trac/attachment/ticket/79/wmii.vimp

-- 
Kris Maglione

Do not worry about your difficulties in mathematics, I assure you that
mine are greater.
	--Albert Einstein


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Apr 24 12:09:28 2009
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:09:28 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Google Code goes for Mercurial
Message-ID: <49F20E68.4090406@tedpavlic.com>

I thought some people on this list might find this interesting:


Google Code Blog: Mercurial support for Project Hosting on Google Code

http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2009/04/mercurial-support-for-project-hosting.html

======
We are happy to announce that Project Hosting on Google Code now 
supports the Mercurial version control system in addition to Subversion. 
This is being initially rolled out as a preview release to a few invited 
users on a per-project basis, so that we can iron out the kinks before 
making this available to the general public.
======

======
While there were several DVCSs that we could support, our decision to 
support Mercurial was based on two key reasons. The primary reason was 
to support our large base of existing Subversion users that want to use 
a distributed version control system. For these users we felt that 
Mercurial had the lowest barrier to adoption because of its similar 
command set, great documentation (including a great online book), and 
excellent tools such as Tortoise Hg. Second, given that Google Code's 
infrastructure is built for HTTP-based services, we found that Mercurial 
had the best protocol and performance characteristics for HTTP support. 
For more information, see our analysis.
======

(on a different note, Python recently decided to move to Mercurial)


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

   Please visit my ALS association page:
         http://web.alsa.org/goto/tedpavlic
   My family appreciates your support in the fight to defeat ALS.

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 12:16:50 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:16:50 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Google Code goes for Mercurial
In-Reply-To: <49F20E68.4090406@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49F20E68.4090406@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20090424191650.GF3524@jg.home>

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 03:09:28PM -0400, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> I thought some people on this list might find this interesting:
>
>
> Google Code Blog: Mercurial support for Project Hosting on Google Code
>
> http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2009/04/mercurial-support-for-project-hosting.html
>
> ======
> We are happy to announce that Project Hosting on Google Code now  
> supports the Mercurial version control system in addition to Subversion.  
> This is being initially rolled out as a preview release to a few invited  
> users on a per-project basis, so that we can iron out the kinks before  
> making this available to the general public.
> ======

Thank the gods.

P.S. Why the hell do people post messages to 
vimperator at mozdev.mozdev.org?

-- 
Kris Maglione

It is practically impossible to teach good programming style to
students that have had prior exposure to Basic; as potential
programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration.
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Apr 24 12:24:12 2009
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:24:12 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Google Code goes for Mercurial
In-Reply-To: <20090424191650.GF3524@jg.home>
References: <49F20E68.4090406@tedpavlic.com> <20090424191650.GF3524@jg.home>
Message-ID: <49F211DC.5000607@tedpavlic.com>

> P.S. Why the hell do people post messages to
> vimperator at mozdev.mozdev.org?

Other people have posted messages to that address (I'm not sure why), 
and then that address gets into my address book, and my e-mail client 
picks that one without me noticing.

(I actually thought I've seen that address in a "From" or "Reply-To" at 
least once, and that may have caused it)

So I think there was one bad apple that spoiled the bunch. Since then, 
people post to that address without noticing.

Why does it even work?

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

   Please visit my ALS association page:
         http://web.alsa.org/goto/tedpavlic
   My family appreciates your support in the fight to defeat ALS.

From eigensolver at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 14:15:28 2009
From: eigensolver at gmail.com (Y. Hida)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:15:28 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] mapping the minus and the space key
References: <slrngts83b.bb0.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>
	<slrnguuf6s.ufn.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>
	<20090422181137.GA7672@jg.home>
	<slrnguurcj.kh8.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>
Message-ID: <slrngv4avg.6im.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>

On 2009-04-22, Y. Hida <eigensolver at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2009-04-22, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 11:50:52AM -0400, Y. Hida wrote:
>>>On 2009-04-09, eigensolver wrote:
>>>> Is there a way to map the minus "-" key?  By default it seems to be
>>>> mapped to zoom out (zo), and I can't seem to be able to remap it.
>>>>
>>>> Similarly, I can't seem to map the space key either.
>>>>
>>>> I'm using Vimperator 2.0.  I think it used to work in Vimperator 1.2.
>>>
>>>I'm pinging this just to make sure mail didn't get lost somewhere :-)
>>
>><Minus>, <Space>
>>
>
> Hmm, it doesn't seem to work for me.  For example, 
>
>  :map <Minus> <C-b>
>
> seem to have no effect.  Hitting the minus still zooms out, even
> though :map shows that it is mapped to <C-b>.
>

OK, I've figured out the minus key.  One needs to do 

  :map -- - <C-b>

Note the "--" to finish the option arguments.


I haven't figured out how to map space, but it probably have to do with
the lines in common/events.js:

  // XXX: ugly hack for now pass certain keys to Firefox as they are without beeping
  // also fixes key navigation in combo boxes, submitting forms, etc.
  // FIXME: breaks iabbr for now --mst
  if (((config.name == "Xulmus"  || config.name == "Vimperator") && liberator.mode == modes.NORMAL || liberator.mode == modes.INSERT))
  {
      if (key == "<Return>")
          return false;
      else if (key == "<Space>" || key == "<Up>" || key == "<Down>")
          return false;
  }

I can't just remove the "<space>" from this code; I guess <Space> needs
to be passed to Firefox directly?  I've just started browsing around, so
I may be totally off...

-Yozo



From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 14:33:49 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:33:49 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] mapping the minus and the space key
In-Reply-To: <slrngv4avg.6im.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>
References: <slrngts83b.bb0.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>
	<slrnguuf6s.ufn.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>
	<20090422181137.GA7672@jg.home>
	<slrnguurcj.kh8.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>
	<slrngv4avg.6im.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>
Message-ID: <20090424213349.GG3524@jg.home>

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 05:15:28PM -0400, Y. Hida wrote:
>OK, I've figured out the minus key.  One needs to do 
>
>  :map -- - <C-b>
>
>Note the "--" to finish the option arguments.

<Minus> should work. Our key table should probably be a lot more 
extensive.

>
>I haven't figured out how to map space, but it probably have to do with
>the lines in common/events.js:
>
>  // XXX: ugly hack for now pass certain keys to Firefox as they are without beeping
>  // also fixes key navigation in combo boxes, submitting forms, etc.
>  // FIXME: breaks iabbr for now --mst
>  if (((config.name == "Xulmus"  || config.name == "Vimperator") && liberator.mode == modes.NORMAL || liberator.mode == modes.INSERT))
>  {
>      if (key == "<Return>")
>          return false;
>      else if (key == "<Space>" || key == "<Up>" || key == "<Down>")
>          return false;
>  }
>
>I can't just remove the "<space>" from this code; I guess <Space> needs
>to be passed to Firefox directly?  I've just started browsing around, so
>I may be totally off...

Yep, that should be fixed. Thanks.

-- 
Kris Maglione

If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research,
would it?
	--Albert Einstein


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 14:33:49 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:33:49 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] mapping the minus and the space key
In-Reply-To: <slrngv4avg.6im.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>
References: <slrngts83b.bb0.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>
	<slrnguuf6s.ufn.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>
	<20090422181137.GA7672@jg.home>
	<slrnguurcj.kh8.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>
	<slrngv4avg.6im.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>
Message-ID: <20090424213349.GG3524@jg.home>

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 05:15:28PM -0400, Y. Hida wrote:
>OK, I've figured out the minus key.  One needs to do 
>
>  :map -- - <C-b>
>
>Note the "--" to finish the option arguments.

<Minus> should work. Our key table should probably be a lot more 
extensive.

>
>I haven't figured out how to map space, but it probably have to do with
>the lines in common/events.js:
>
>  // XXX: ugly hack for now pass certain keys to Firefox as they are without beeping
>  // also fixes key navigation in combo boxes, submitting forms, etc.
>  // FIXME: breaks iabbr for now --mst
>  if (((config.name == "Xulmus"  || config.name == "Vimperator") && liberator.mode == modes.NORMAL || liberator.mode == modes.INSERT))
>  {
>      if (key == "<Return>")
>          return false;
>      else if (key == "<Space>" || key == "<Up>" || key == "<Down>")
>          return false;
>  }
>
>I can't just remove the "<space>" from this code; I guess <Space> needs
>to be passed to Firefox directly?  I've just started browsing around, so
>I may be totally off...

Yep, that should be fixed. Thanks.

-- 
Kris Maglione

If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research,
would it?
	--Albert Einstein


From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Fri Apr 24 14:52:33 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:52:33 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] mapping the minus and the space key
In-Reply-To: <20090424213349.GG3524@jg.home>
References: <slrngts83b.bb0.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>	<slrnguuf6s.ufn.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>	<20090422181137.GA7672@jg.home>	<slrnguurcj.kh8.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>	<slrngv4avg.6im.eigensolver@chardonnay.vinyard.ath.cx>
	<20090424213349.GG3524@jg.home>
Message-ID: <49F234A1.7050102@vimperator.org>

On 04/24/2009 11:33 PM, Kris Maglione wrote:

>>I can't just remove the "<space>" from this code; I guess <Space> needs
>>to be passed to Firefox directly?  I've just started browsing around, so
>>I may be totally off...
> 
> Yep, that should be fixed. Thanks.


Well yes, but not so easy. Space is deliberatly passed through to allow
activation of buttons/checkboxes, etc. - but we might still just add
a new mappings.add(...) which passes them through, rather than having
them hardcoded in events.js

From se at netmute.org  Sat Apr 25 04:59:27 2009
From: se at netmute.org (Simon Ernst)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:59:27 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] uzbl - A browser that adheres to the unix philosophy.
Message-ID: <20090425115927.GA5375@bumblebee.local>

Hi list,

maybe this could be interesting to some of you.
http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=70700

I like Vimperator very much, although i don't like Firefox at all. It's
slow, it's huge and it's not very stable.

I have a dream ;-) It would be very cool to have something like
Vimperator that is based on uzbl in the near future.

-- 
- Simon Ernst - http://netmute.org


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sat Apr 25 05:53:23 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 08:53:23 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] uzbl - A browser that adheres to the
	unix	philosophy.
In-Reply-To: <20090425115927.GA5375@bumblebee.local>
References: <20090425115927.GA5375@bumblebee.local>
Message-ID: <20090425125323.GA3087@jg.home>

On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 01:59:27PM +0200, Simon Ernst wrote:
>I like Vimperator very much, although i don't like Firefox at all. It's
>slow, it's huge and it's not very stable.

Amen.

>I have a dream ;-) It would be very cool to have something like
>Vimperator that is based on uzbl in the near future.

Excellent, but:

>NOTE:
>- My c skills are very rusty, it will take me a while to get back up to speed

doesn't sound very promising.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Beauty is more important in computing than anywhere else in technology
because software is so complicated.  Beauty is the ultimate defence
against complexity.
	--David Gelernter


From se at netmute.org  Sat Apr 25 07:19:11 2009
From: se at netmute.org (Simon Ernst)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:19:11 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] uzbl - A browser that adheres to the
	unix	philosophy.
In-Reply-To: <20090425125323.GA3087@jg.home>
References: <20090425115927.GA5375@bumblebee.local>
	<20090425125323.GA3087@jg.home>
Message-ID: <20090425141911.GA7634@bumblebee.local>

On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 08:53:23AM -0400, Kris Maglione wrote:
> Excellent, but:
>> - My c skills are very rusty, it will take me a while to get back up to 
>> speed
> doesn't sound very promising.

Well, at least he's honest :-)

I hope that other devs will join that project, so i'll keep on spreading
the word.

It would be nice to have at least one browser that doesn't suck
completely.

-- 
- Simon Ernst - http://netmute.org


From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Sat Apr 25 07:51:26 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:51:26 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] uzbl - A browser that adheres to the
	unix	philosophy.
In-Reply-To: <20090425141911.GA7634@bumblebee.local>
References: <20090425115927.GA5375@bumblebee.local>	<20090425125323.GA3087@jg.home>
	<20090425141911.GA7634@bumblebee.local>
Message-ID: <49F3236E.1040500@vimperator.org>

On 04/25/2009 04:19 PM, Simon Ernst wrote:

> It would be nice to have at least one browser that doesn't suck
> completely.


Of course, but uzbl has the full potential to also suck.
It reminds me so much of DWM which i am sure lots of people here like, but
I personally think this pseudo-elitism sucks even more.

Right, vimperator sucks because firefox is a memory hog and sometimes slow, I'd
surely would like to see a new "small" browser, which thinks about how people
interact with the browser, and makes surfing easy (just think of Ubiquity, a
great Firefox project imho).

But not even having tabs or bookmarks (not that i use them much), is just retarded.
Ok, Kris will disagree, but I think having such things integrated allows MUCH
more integration, than relying on a WM, which has to deal with all windows.
It also sucks, because you HAVE to configure it to use it. This wasn't a problem
for me until I took a fulltime job, and in my freetime i prefer other things
than just configuring all my apps. I still like if they are configurable and
extensible, but any app which can't be used usefully out-of-the-box is just
broken by design for me.

Anyway, i wish uzbl lots of luck, but it'd be much better if Daniel's browser idea
became reality. I am quite sure he can do a nice small browser too, which does
not suck.

--
Martin

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sat Apr 25 10:35:27 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:35:27 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] uzbl - A browser that adheres to the
	unix	philosophy.
In-Reply-To: <49F3236E.1040500@vimperator.org>
References: <20090425115927.GA5375@bumblebee.local>
	<20090425125323.GA3087@jg.home>
	<20090425141911.GA7634@bumblebee.local>
	<49F3236E.1040500@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <20090425173527.GB3087@jg.home>

On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 04:51:26PM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>Of course, but uzbl has the full potential to also suck.
>It reminds me so much of DWM which i am sure lots of people here like, but
>I personally think this pseudo-elitism sucks even more.

It's not so much the pseudo-elitism as the dogmatic idealism.

>Right, vimperator sucks because firefox is a memory hog and sometimes slow,

s/sometimes/always/, in my experience.

>But not even having tabs or bookmarks (not that i use them much), is just retarded.
>Ok, Kris will disagree, but I think having such things integrated allows MUCH
>more integration, than relying on a WM, which has to deal with all windows.
>It also sucks, because you HAVE to configure it to use it. This wasn't a problem
>for me until I took a fulltime job, and in my freetime i prefer other things
>than just configuring all my apps. I still like if they are configurable and
>extensible, but any app which can't be used usefully out-of-the-box is just
>broken by design for me.

It really doesn't take that much configuration. Fluxbox/Openbox 
do tabbing with virtually no configuration. It's easy enough for 
people to create stock configs for other WMs, so no matter what 
you use, you have a browser that matches your usage model 
(KDE/Gnome users will obviously not want a Unixy browser, 
anyway).

That said, I don't think that the uzbl model is powerful enough 
on its own, though I suspect that it may be possible to create a 
very usable interface for (say) wmii or ion with just the 
infrastructure already present (well, wmii's menu really needs 
to be Scheme extensible, but I might be compelled to do that 
given the right set of circumstances). It'd be a hell of a lot 
faster, too.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Beauty is more important in computing than anywhere else in technology
because software is so complicated.  Beauty is the ultimate defence
against complexity.
	--David Gelernter


From nathan.neff at gmail.com  Sat Apr 25 19:29:43 2009
From: nathan.neff at gmail.com (Nathan Neff)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 21:29:43 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Font Size
In-Reply-To: <20090424184900.GE3524@jg.home>
References: <211769420904232200o68e28a11x8dee7e67d16f32c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090424050849.GD3524@jg.home>
	<211769420904241113h7432235en19d35ca154b4530a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090424184900.GE3524@jg.home>
Message-ID: <211769420904251929i2f3e0653j11de47fd0e8ba90c@mail.gmail.com>

> Thanks. Maybe you'd be interested in this:
>
> http://vimperator.org/trac/attachment/ticket/79/wmii.vimp

Kris, I when I say ":colo wmii" I get this error:

wmii.vimp:40 TypeError: ctl.match(/^normcolors.*$/m) is null

I'm using Firefox 3.0.9 on OSX.

--Nate

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 01:13:14PM -0500, Nathan Neff wrote:
>>
>> I wanted to create my own "vimp" settings. ?Am I way off base?
>> Why does Vimperator echo the contents when I say :colo mysettings.vimp?
>
> It shouldn't. Try leaving out the .vimp.
>
> You don't need to duplicate the defaults. Just enter the values that you
> want to change.
>
>> By the way Kris -- WMII is awesome (awesome the adjective, not the
>> windowmanager :-)
>
> Thanks. Maybe you'd be interested in this:
>
> http://vimperator.org/trac/attachment/ticket/79/wmii.vimp
>
> --
> Kris Maglione
>
> Do not worry about your difficulties in mathematics, I assure you that
> mine are greater.
> ? ? ? ?--Albert Einstein
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From mftian at gmail.com  Sat Apr 25 19:33:25 2009
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:33:25 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] localized docs support for Vimperator
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0904232332t67517f15m4957821ab5950fc7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0904201022l44bc5eaaqc89d00c66a0c00e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904210147v285b3e21t7e924bebfb55d4c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904210755q75eab991l106b7fb0789ae856@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904232332t67517f15m4957821ab5950fc7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0904251933v1eba0272j260309015f355c7b@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/24 Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com>:
> 2009/4/21 Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com>:
>> 2009/4/21 Martin Stubenschrott <maxauthority at vimperator.org>:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> first of all, thanks a lot for this patch, seems nicely written, and
>>> soon to be mergable!
>>>
>>> Just a few comments:
>>>
>>> 1.)
>>> let zipReader =
>>> Cc["@mozilla.org/libjar/zip-reader;1"].createInstance(Ci.nsIZipReader);
>>> should be services.create("zip") (which needs to be added to
>>> services.js, but that should be simple.
>>>
>>> 2.)
>>> if (file.exists())
>>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?{
>>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?liberator.echomsg(file.leafName + ": file
>>> already exists!", 2);
>>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?continue;
>>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?}
>>>
>>> shouldn't we just overwrite (updated) localized docs?
>>>
>>> 3.)
>>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?let dir = io.getFile(IO.runtimePath);
>>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?dir.append("doc");
>>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?if (!dir.exists() || !dir.isDirectory())
>>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?return;
>>>
>>> Should be io.getRuntimeDirectories("doc"). Attention: that might
>>> return more than
>>> 1 directory.
>>>
>>> 4.)
>>> Is there a fallback? It would be nice, if there is no localized
>>> doc/search.html e.g., it would
>>> still use chrome://.../search.html
>>>
>>> 5.)
>>> Since the user must install the localized docs by hand, I don't think we need a
>>> localdoc option. We might use :help! bla though for forcing english help.
>>>
>>> 6.)
>>> Without Kris comment about autofetching, I would have proposed to
>>> reuse :source helpfile.zip
>>> instead of :insthelp and drop :rmhelp altogether. I am not sure how
>>> expensive autofetching is,
>>> and if people really want additional things to be auto-downloaded
>>> automatically (and I don't like
>>> many more options for such things). What's the opinion of others here?
>>> The problem of autoupdating is, that at the time we release a new vimp
>>> version, i am quite sure
>>> localizers will need a few more days to release updated docs. So a
>>> simple check when vimperator
>>> was updated will probably not be enough, and i surely will not check
>>> for updated docs at every
>>> startup of vimperator.
>>>
>>> Anyway, once we sort out these small things, localizing will be easy
>>> for all parties (users, developers,
>>> localizers) while not bloating vimperator.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Martin
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Vimperator mailing list
>>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for your comments, Martin. About auto-fetching, Kris' advice is
>> feasible, using ajax to get available localized docs and download and
>> install the one user chooses automatically. With the patch I
>> previously attached, one needs to manually download the package and
>> install it.
>>
>> On the other side, auto-updating does not seem to be promising. So far
>> I've no idea how to implement this feature.
>>
>> -- Xie
>>
>
> Here comes the new patch.
>
> ":instdoc" will now fetch available locales from
> http://download.vimperator.org/vimperator/doc/$VERSION/INDEX and will
> download the one user chooses at
> http://download.vimperator.org/vimperator/doc/$VERSION/$LOCALE/doc.zip.
> If [!] is specified, it accepts an argument of local doc package, just
> like the old patch.
>
> ":rmdoc" command remains unchanged. "localdoc" option is removed.
>
> ":help!" will now open English help if localized docs have been
> installed. There is still no fallback mechanism but we can prevent the
> 404 error by making sure the integrality of every package.
>
> Documentations for changes above have been update. Feel free to make
> any comment. Thanks.
>
> -- Xie
>

Any comment for this new patch?

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sat Apr 25 19:39:32 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:39:32 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] localized docs support for Vimperator
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0904251933v1eba0272j260309015f355c7b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0904201022l44bc5eaaqc89d00c66a0c00e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904210147v285b3e21t7e924bebfb55d4c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904210755q75eab991l106b7fb0789ae856@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904232332t67517f15m4957821ab5950fc7@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904251933v1eba0272j260309015f355c7b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090426023932.GC3087@jg.home>

On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 10:33:25AM +0800, Xie&Tian wrote:
>Any comment for this new patch?

Yes, but I haven't gotten around to posting it. I've made a few 
changes, but overall, I'd recommend adopting it if Martin and 
Doug agree, and dpb updates vimperator.org (and perhaps gives 
the devs ftp access). The only major suggestion I have is that, 
ideally we should use the download manager or something similar 
for the downloads (so, e.g., they can be cancelled). I don't 
think that it's an immediate necessity, though, and I'd be happy 
to accept it with my few minor changes.

All that being said, please ignore all that's been said until I 
actually do post my minor changes, because I haven't gone 
through the entire diff, and they may turn into major changes.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Lisp has jokingly been called "the most intelligent way to misuse a
computer".  I think that description is a great compliment because it
transmits the full flavor of liberation: it has assisted a number of
our most gifted fellow humans in thinking previously impossible
thoughts.
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra, CACM, 15:10


From marco.rucci at gmail.com  Sun Apr 26 08:04:58 2009
From: marco.rucci at gmail.com (Marco Rucci)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 15:04:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Vimperator] JavaScript for Google Bookmark(let)
References: <18846aef0802201351p5a60995by10693b556e109070@mail.gmail.com>
	<ab47ba170802201430k67adc707mc5941b9b70bfc1ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<47C1668B.60708@gmx.net>
	<18846aef0802240704u74e1c424p5a51b71c91b1fdb7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20090426T145707-497@post.gmane.org>

cRaig Forrester <treehead at ...> writes:

> 
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Martin Stubenschrott
> <stubenschrott at ...> wrote:
> > Andrzej Ostruszka wrote:
> >
> >  > I'm not the best person to answer since I don't know JavaScript but I
> >  > made for exactly this purpose the following mapping:
> >  > map gb :javascript
> >  >
loadURI("http://www.google.com/bookmarks/mark?op=edit&bkmk="+encodeURIComponent(vimperator.buffer.URL)+"&title="+vimperator.buffer.title)<CR>
> >
> >  That's the obvious solution, yeah :)
> >
> >  However, in :javascript, "vimperator." is the default namespace, so you
> >  can also write buffer.URL instead of vimperator.buffer.URL there.
> >
> 
> javascript <<EOF
> gmark = function(){var
>
a=window,b=document,c=encodeURIComponent,d=a.open("http://www.google.com/bookmarks/mark?op=edit&output=popup&bkmk="+c(buffer.URL)+"&title="+c(buffer.title),"bkmk_popup","left="+((a.screenX||a.screenLeft)+10)+",top="+((a.screenY||a.screenTop)+10)+",height=420px,width=550px,resizable=1,alwaysRaised=1");a.setTimeout(function(){d.focus()},300)};
> EOF
> 
> map gb :js gmark()<CR>
> 
> That worked.  It appears that Firefox was assuming the proper context
> for everything  but the URL.  Without "buffer.URL" I kept getting the
> "chrome://..." instead of the current URL.
> 
> cRaig
> 
> EOM
> 

For anyone using the gmarks[1] firefox extension (that I find very useful,
especially for managing hyerarchical labels) a simple and faster solution for
adding/editing bookmarks is with:

map gb :emenu GMarks.Add/Edit Bookmark<CR>

Bye, Marco.

[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2888



From dpb at driftaway.org  Sun Apr 26 11:13:07 2009
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:13:07 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] localized docs support for Vimperator
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0904251933v1eba0272j260309015f355c7b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0904201022l44bc5eaaqc89d00c66a0c00e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904210147v285b3e21t7e924bebfb55d4c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904210755q75eab991l106b7fb0789ae856@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904232332t67517f15m4957821ab5950fc7@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904251933v1eba0272j260309015f355c7b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230904261113v1971dc30md8a3df2d273b8af9@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/26 Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com>:
> 2009/4/24 Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com>:
>> 2009/4/21 Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com>:
>>> 2009/4/21 Martin Stubenschrott <maxauthority at vimperator.org>:
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> first of all, thanks a lot for this patch, seems nicely written, and
>>>> soon to be mergable!
>>>>
>>>> Just a few comments:
>>>>
>>>> 1.)
>>>> let zipReader =
>>>> Cc["@mozilla.org/libjar/zip-reader;1"].createInstance(Ci.nsIZipReader);
>>>> should be services.create("zip") (which needs to be added to
>>>> services.js, but that should be simple.
>>>>
>>>> 2.)
>>>> if (file.exists())
>>>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?{
>>>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?liberator.echomsg(file.leafName + ": file
>>>> already exists!", 2);
>>>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?continue;
>>>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?}
>>>>
>>>> shouldn't we just overwrite (updated) localized docs?
>>>>
>>>> 3.)
>>>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?let dir = io.getFile(IO.runtimePath);
>>>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?dir.append("doc");
>>>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?if (!dir.exists() || !dir.isDirectory())
>>>> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?return;
>>>>
>>>> Should be io.getRuntimeDirectories("doc"). Attention: that might
>>>> return more than
>>>> 1 directory.
>>>>
>>>> 4.)
>>>> Is there a fallback? It would be nice, if there is no localized
>>>> doc/search.html e.g., it would
>>>> still use chrome://.../search.html
>>>>
>>>> 5.)
>>>> Since the user must install the localized docs by hand, I don't think we need a
>>>> localdoc option. We might use :help! bla though for forcing english help.
>>>>
>>>> 6.)
>>>> Without Kris comment about autofetching, I would have proposed to
>>>> reuse :source helpfile.zip
>>>> instead of :insthelp and drop :rmhelp altogether. I am not sure how
>>>> expensive autofetching is,
>>>> and if people really want additional things to be auto-downloaded
>>>> automatically (and I don't like
>>>> many more options for such things). What's the opinion of others here?
>>>> The problem of autoupdating is, that at the time we release a new vimp
>>>> version, i am quite sure
>>>> localizers will need a few more days to release updated docs. So a
>>>> simple check when vimperator
>>>> was updated will probably not be enough, and i surely will not check
>>>> for updated docs at every
>>>> startup of vimperator.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, once we sort out these small things, localizing will be easy
>>>> for all parties (users, developers,
>>>> localizers) while not bloating vimperator.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Martin
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Vimperator mailing list
>>>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>>>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your comments, Martin. About auto-fetching, Kris' advice is
>>> feasible, using ajax to get available localized docs and download and
>>> install the one user chooses automatically. With the patch I
>>> previously attached, one needs to manually download the package and
>>> install it.
>>>
>>> On the other side, auto-updating does not seem to be promising. So far
>>> I've no idea how to implement this feature.
>>>
>>> -- Xie
>>>
>>
>> Here comes the new patch.
>>
>> ":instdoc" will now fetch available locales from
>> http://download.vimperator.org/vimperator/doc/$VERSION/INDEX and will
>> download the one user chooses at
>> http://download.vimperator.org/vimperator/doc/$VERSION/$LOCALE/doc.zip.
>> If [!] is specified, it accepts an argument of local doc package, just
>> like the old patch.
>>
>> ":rmdoc" command remains unchanged. "localdoc" option is removed.
>>
>> ":help!" will now open English help if localized docs have been
>> installed. There is still no fallback mechanism but we can prevent the
>> 404 error by making sure the integrality of every package.
>>
>> Documentations for changes above have been update. Feel free to make
>> any comment. Thanks.
>>
>> -- Xie
>>
>
> Any comment for this new patch?

I won't accept this approach to my server. It'll hammer the server
when people use completions for it, atleast when using wop=auto.

I vote for manually installing the doc packages.

--
Daniel

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sun Apr 26 11:26:56 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:26:56 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] localized docs support for Vimperator
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230904261113v1971dc30md8a3df2d273b8af9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0904201022l44bc5eaaqc89d00c66a0c00e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904210147v285b3e21t7e924bebfb55d4c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904210755q75eab991l106b7fb0789ae856@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904232332t67517f15m4957821ab5950fc7@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904251933v1eba0272j260309015f355c7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904261113v1971dc30md8a3df2d273b8af9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090426182656.GD3087@jg.home>

On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 09:13:07PM +0300, Daniel Bainton wrote:
>I won't accept this approach to my server. It'll hammer the server
>when people use completions for it, atleast when using wop=auto.
>
>I vote for manually installing the doc packages.

No it won't. The first change I made was to cache the request, 
so at most it'll generate one request per :instdoc invocation 
(which I expect will be rare). If that's not acceptable, we can 
always host the docs on Google Code or mozdev.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Technology is dominated by two types of people: Those who understand
what they do not manage.  Those who manage what they do not
understand.
	--Putt's Law


From dpb at driftaway.org  Sun Apr 26 11:33:59 2009
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:33:59 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] localized docs support for Vimperator
In-Reply-To: <20090426182656.GD3087@jg.home>
References: <a28ffaac0904201022l44bc5eaaqc89d00c66a0c00e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904210147v285b3e21t7e924bebfb55d4c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904210755q75eab991l106b7fb0789ae856@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904232332t67517f15m4957821ab5950fc7@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904251933v1eba0272j260309015f355c7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904261113v1971dc30md8a3df2d273b8af9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090426182656.GD3087@jg.home>
Message-ID: <dd9711230904261133v2fa23037l3ad0089a837e03d9@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/26 Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com>:
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 09:13:07PM +0300, Daniel Bainton wrote:
>>
>> I won't accept this approach to my server. It'll hammer the server
>> when people use completions for it, atleast when using wop=auto.
>>
>> I vote for manually installing the doc packages.
>
> No it won't. The first change I made was to cache the request, so at most
> it'll generate one request per :instdoc invocation (which I expect will be
> rare). If that's not acceptable, we can always host the docs on Google Code
> or mozdev.

I was commenting on the patch on the list. Not some private edition
you have on your computer.

--
Daniel

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sun Apr 26 11:35:53 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:35:53 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] localized docs support for Vimperator
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230904261133v2fa23037l3ad0089a837e03d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0904201022l44bc5eaaqc89d00c66a0c00e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904210147v285b3e21t7e924bebfb55d4c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904210755q75eab991l106b7fb0789ae856@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904232332t67517f15m4957821ab5950fc7@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904251933v1eba0272j260309015f355c7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904261113v1971dc30md8a3df2d273b8af9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090426182656.GD3087@jg.home>
	<dd9711230904261133v2fa23037l3ad0089a837e03d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090426183553.GE3087@jg.home>

On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 09:33:59PM +0300, Daniel Bainton wrote:
>I was commenting on the patch on the list. Not some private edition
>you have on your computer.

Actually, you commented on the approach, not on the patch.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Beauty is more important in computing than anywhere else in technology
because software is so complicated.  Beauty is the ultimate defence
against complexity.
	--David Gelernter


From dpb at driftaway.org  Sun Apr 26 11:38:27 2009
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:38:27 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] localized docs support for Vimperator
In-Reply-To: <20090426183553.GE3087@jg.home>
References: <a28ffaac0904201022l44bc5eaaqc89d00c66a0c00e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904210147v285b3e21t7e924bebfb55d4c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904210755q75eab991l106b7fb0789ae856@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904232332t67517f15m4957821ab5950fc7@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904251933v1eba0272j260309015f355c7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904261113v1971dc30md8a3df2d273b8af9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090426182656.GD3087@jg.home>
	<dd9711230904261133v2fa23037l3ad0089a837e03d9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090426183553.GE3087@jg.home>
Message-ID: <dd9711230904261138k2e125cdfsb34932b0a22104d8@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/26 Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com>:
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 09:33:59PM +0300, Daniel Bainton wrote:
>>
>> I was commenting on the patch on the list. Not some private edition
>> you have on your computer.
>
> Actually, you commented on the approach, not on the patch.

The approach in the patch posted on the list.

--
Daniel

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sun Apr 26 11:44:28 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:44:28 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] localized docs support for Vimperator
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230904261138k2e125cdfsb34932b0a22104d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0904201022l44bc5eaaqc89d00c66a0c00e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904210147v285b3e21t7e924bebfb55d4c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904210755q75eab991l106b7fb0789ae856@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904232332t67517f15m4957821ab5950fc7@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0904251933v1eba0272j260309015f355c7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230904261113v1971dc30md8a3df2d273b8af9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090426182656.GD3087@jg.home>
	<dd9711230904261133v2fa23037l3ad0089a837e03d9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090426183553.GE3087@jg.home>
	<dd9711230904261138k2e125cdfsb34932b0a22104d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090426184428.GF3087@jg.home>

On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 09:38:27PM +0300, Daniel Bainton wrote:
>> Actually, you commented on the approach, not on the patch.
>
>The approach in the patch posted on the list.

Alright, but I hardly think that adding one line and changing a 
dozen characters constitutes a change of approach.

-- 
Kris Maglione

If you think your management doesn't know what it's doing or that your
organisation turns out low-quality software crap that embarrasses you,
then leave.
	--Edward Yourdon


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Apr 27 05:32:30 2009
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:32:30 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Google Code goes for Mercurial
In-Reply-To: <49F20E68.4090406@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49F20E68.4090406@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49F5A5DE.9040907@tedpavlic.com>

On a related note...

> Google Code Blog: Mercurial support for Project Hosting on Google Code


For those who need a translation table between git and Mercurial, see 
the reference:

http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/index.cgi/GitConcepts

There is a nice "conversion table" at the bottom of it (for the most 
common commands).


For those who need to convert from Git to Mercurial, you can do that 
with native Mercurial. See:

http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/index.cgi/ConvertExtension


For those who need to convert from Mercurial to Git, see:

http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/InterfacesFrontendsAndTools

Search for "Mercurial" and look in the section "Intearction with other 
Revision Control Systems."


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

   Please visit my ALS association page:
         http://web.alsa.org/goto/tedpavlic
   My family appreciates your support in the fight to defeat ALS.

From rubynando at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 28 08:49:59 2009
From: rubynando at yahoo.com (Nando Sanchez)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:49:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2 performance issues with latest Firefox
	version
Message-ID: <117433.50917.qm@web63302.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi all! I had to rollback to Vimperator 1.2 after using Vimperator 2 for while, because Firefox was just too slow to be usefull, and was failing (it needed to restart) very often. If any body knows a workaround for these problems, please let me know.

Rgds,

Nando



      
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From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Tue Apr 28 09:02:09 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:02:09 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2 performance issues with latest
	Firefox version
In-Reply-To: <117433.50917.qm@web63302.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <117433.50917.qm@web63302.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904280902t237653d3o2cb2ae22296f974f@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Nando Sanchez <rubynando at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi all! I had to rollback to Vimperator 1.2 after using Vimperator 2 for
> while, because Firefox was just too slow to be usefull, and was failing (it
> needed to restart) very often. If any body knows a workaround for these
> problems, please let me know.

probably you want

:set nopreload
:set complete=b
:set wildoptions=


in your .vimperatorrc.

From zhechev.zhecho at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 09:02:29 2009
From: zhechev.zhecho at gmail.com (zhechev.zhecho at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:02:29 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] getting weather info recently with vimperator script?
Message-ID: <1240934549.10091.61.camel@moon>

Hi, 

I'm looking for a solution to get recently some information from web
page. Is it possible to make vimperator do it for me?, to browse and
complete 2 or 3 pages (to populate fields with coordinates and do post
request) and display information. 



thank you in advance!



From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Tue Apr 28 09:23:39 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:23:39 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] getting weather info recently with vimperator
	script?
In-Reply-To: <1240934549.10091.61.camel@moon>
References: <1240934549.10091.61.camel@moon>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904280923u23e1b40n8118a81060390df1@mail.gmail.com>

Should be scriptable, or when it works, macros are made for these things, but
you'll have to be creative to find keys which will always do the same thing
(follow link 45 is NOT a good idea).

:help macros

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 09:47:08 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:47:08 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] getting weather info recently with
	vimperator	script?
In-Reply-To: <1240934549.10091.61.camel@moon>
References: <1240934549.10091.61.camel@moon>
Message-ID: <20090428164708.GA7948@jg.home>

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 07:02:29PM +0300, zhechev.zhecho at gmail.com wrote:
>I'm looking for a solution to get recently some information from web
>page. Is it possible to make vimperator do it for me?, to browse and
>complete 2 or 3 pages (to populate fields with coordinates and do post
>request) and display information. 

Short answer, no. Long answer, yes, if you know JavaScript, DOM, 
XPath, and HTML, and have some time to throw at it.

-- 
Kris Maglione

You're bound to be unhappy if you optimize everything.
	--Donald Knuth


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 09:48:43 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:48:43 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2 performance issues with
	latest	Firefox version
In-Reply-To: <117433.50917.qm@web63302.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <117433.50917.qm@web63302.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090428164843.GB7948@jg.home>

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 08:49:59AM -0700, Nando Sanchez wrote:
>Hi all! I had to rollback to Vimperator 1.2 after using 
>Vimperator 2 for while, because Firefox was just too slow to be 
>usefull, and was failing (it needed to restart) very often. If 
>any body knows a workaround for these problems, please let me 
>know.

Yes, it's a sad state of affairs. I'm certainly responsible for 
part of it, but I can't do much, since I have the same problems 
with Vimperator 1.2 and have, therefore, no place to start 
looking.

-- 
Kris Maglione

There are two ways of constructing a software design.  One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies.  And the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies.
	--C.A.R. Hoare


From nathan.neff at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 10:33:21 2009
From: nathan.neff at gmail.com (Nathan Neff)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:33:21 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] "Plus" sign in Status Bar?
Message-ID: <211769420904281033i77c69c13h313be966e0fe7210@mail.gmail.com>

What does the plus sign in the Status Bar mean?

I have a screenshot here:

http://notesmine.com/_detail/vimperator_plus_sign.png

Can't find it anywhere in the help file.

Thanks,
--Nate

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 10:36:57 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:36:57 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] "Plus" sign in Status Bar?
In-Reply-To: <211769420904281033i77c69c13h313be966e0fe7210@mail.gmail.com>
References: <211769420904281033i77c69c13h313be966e0fe7210@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090428173657.GC7948@jg.home>

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:33:21PM -0500, Nathan Neff wrote:
>What does the plus sign in the Status Bar mean?

FAQ.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Fast, fat computers breed slow, lazy programmers.
	--Robert Hummel


From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Tue Apr 28 11:50:30 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:50:30 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] remove preload option?
Message-ID: <49F74FF6.3060702@vimperator.org>

Hi all,

your quick input is needed. I want to release vimp 2.1 soon, and
since it causes lots of crashes and isn't really needed anyway,
since we default to complete=l which does not benefit by preloading
bookmarks and history into an internal vimperator array, what's
the best for the preload option.

I'd like to remove it entirely, but if LOTS of people here speak
up, that they really need it, i might leave it in, with nopreload
the default.

Any other options/commands which you think, could be removed for
vimperator 2.1?

--
Martin

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 11:55:37 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:55:37 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] remove preload option?
In-Reply-To: <49F74FF6.3060702@vimperator.org>
References: <49F74FF6.3060702@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <20090428185537.GD7948@jg.home>

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 08:50:30PM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>I'd like to remove it entirely, but if LOTS of people here speak
>up, that they really need it, i might leave it in, with nopreload
>the default.

Honestly, it doesn't even make sense as an option of the default 
is false. If you want to keep it, it should be a command.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Lovers of problem solving, they are apt to play chess at lunch or
doodle in algebra over cocktails, speak an esoteric language that some
suspect is just their way of mystifying outsiders.  Deeply concerned
about logic and sensitive to its breakdown in everyday life, they
often annoy friends by asking them to rephrase their questions more
logically.
	--Time Magazine in 1965


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Tue Apr 28 12:00:46 2009
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:00:46 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] getting weather info recently with vimperator
	script?
In-Reply-To: <1240934549.10091.61.camel@moon>
References: <1240934549.10091.61.camel@moon>
Message-ID: <49F7525E.1080709@tedpavlic.com>

> I'm looking for a solution to get recently some information from web
> page. Is it possible to make vimperator do it for me?, to browse and
> complete 2 or 3 pages (to populate fields with coordinates and do post
> request) and display information.

In most cases, such pages (weather pages) may accept both POSTed data 
and "GETted" data. Find out the names of the variables that they use and 
construct a URL on the fly. You can use Vimperator to do this, but in 
the case of only having to populate one variable, you can use a smart 
bookmark in Firefox...

http://my.url.com/get_weather?zip=%s

then doing...

o bookmarkkeyword zipcode

would lookup your weather info (e.g., "weather 43017" would tell me the 
weather in Dublin, OH).

--Ted

P.S.

I'm not sure, but Firefox may come packaged with such a smart bookmark 
for weather.com loaded under the "weather" keyword.

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

   Please visit my ALS association page:
         http://web.alsa.org/goto/tedpavlic
   My family appreciates your support in the fight to defeat ALS.

From rubynando at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 28 17:23:41 2009
From: rubynando at yahoo.com (Nando Sanchez)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:23:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2 performance issues with latest Firefox
	version
Message-ID: <481385.3203.qm@web63305.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the tips! The nopreload option fixed the problems.



      
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From moneylcj at foxmail.com  Tue Apr 28 20:05:58 2009
From: moneylcj at foxmail.com (=?gbk?B?bW9uZXlsY2o=?=)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:05:58 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] =?gbk?b?InNldGxvY2FsIG5leHRwYXR0ZXJuPc/C0ru34iIgcmVz?=
 =?gbk?q?ponse_TypeError=3A_value_is_null_=2E_why=3F?=
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From mftian at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 20:20:18 2009
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:20:18 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator]
	=?utf-8?b?InNldGxvY2FsIG5leHRwYXR0ZXJuPeS4i+S4gA==?=
	=?utf-8?q?=E5=B0=81=22_response_TypeError=3A_value_is_null_=2E_why?=
	=?utf-8?q?=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <tencent_46BC60B55B4B55C41B0E998A@qq.com>
References: <tencent_46BC60B55B4B55C41B0E998A@qq.com>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0904282020x6633473duf855b24288386ced@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/29 moneylcj <moneylcj at foxmail.com>:
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>

"nextpattern" accepts XPATH string. The official wiki page may help
you: http://vimperator.org/trac/wiki/Vimperator/Wiki

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 20:32:33 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:32:33 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator]
	=?utf-8?b?InNldGxvY2FsIG5leHRwYXR0ZXJuPeS4i+S4gA==?=
	=?utf-8?q?=E5=B0=81=22_response_TypeError=3A_value_is_null_=2E_why?=
	=?utf-8?q?=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0904282020x6633473duf855b24288386ced@mail.gmail.com>
References: <tencent_46BC60B55B4B55C41B0E998A@qq.com>
	<a28ffaac0904282020x6633473duf855b24288386ced@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090429033233.GE7948@jg.home>

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:20:18AM +0800, Xie&Tian wrote:
>"nextpattern" accepts XPATH string. The official wiki page may help
>you: http://vimperator.org/trac/wiki/Vimperator/Wiki

It excepts a regexp, but setlocal is broken. Don't use it.

-- 
Kris Maglione

If you think your management doesn't know what it's doing or that your
organisation turns out low-quality software crap that embarrasses you,
then leave.
	--Edward Yourdon

From mark.frost at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 07:56:38 2009
From: mark.frost at gmail.com (Mark Frost)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:56:38 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Summary of Ticket #167 (completion slowdown)
Message-ID: <c84892940904290756k34d2fae9va9b72372b99d703a@mail.gmail.com>

Kris requested a summary of the long stringy jumble that makes up the log of
Ticket 167 and I thought I would take a shot:

>From what I can see we have two issues wrapped in one:

1. Completions in 2.0 are slower than completions in 1.2:  People with
rather snappy systems are reporting slow population of the results list
while they are typing.

2. Completions are incorrect when typing quickly:
   a. with wildoptions=auto typing quickly then pressing tab will select the
first match of a substring of what was typed.  For Example: Typing o
+read<TAB> will select the first match for "r" "re" or "rea".
   b. with wildoptions= pressing <TAB>+<ENTER> rapidly will search for the
string entered instead of using the first completion result.

Changes to wildmode, complete and wildoptions help to aleviate the symptoms
somewhat but do not seem to resolve the issue.  Kris hinted at the reasons
for the slow completion behavior:

"the location bar uses a specialized interface, [so] we can't follow its
example. The main difficulty is deciding when to wait for results, when to
throw away the result set, when to request results, etc. The difficulty
seems less for the location bar because, as I recall, it's implemented
mostly in C++, at a lower level than the interface provided to
JavaScript?<http://vimperator.org/trac/wiki/JavaScript>consumers."

I hope this is helpful in some way,
Mark Frost

-- 
"My goal is to look more like a golfer and less like a man being attacked by
bees."
--Thomas Meyer
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From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Apr 29 08:37:31 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:37:31 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Summary of Ticket #167 (completion slowdown)
In-Reply-To: <c84892940904290756k34d2fae9va9b72372b99d703a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c84892940904290756k34d2fae9va9b72372b99d703a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904290837p54c0cd6bq743fe38e4eed7598@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Mark Frost <mark.frost at gmail.com> wrote:
> Kris requested a summary of the long stringy jumble that makes up the log of
> Ticket 167 and I thought I would take a shot:
>
> From what I can see we have two issues wrapped in one:

Very good summary, exactly these two (actually 3 with quickly pressing
<tab><enter>)
things are the problem.

@Kris: Because you complained about trac. You might not know it, but
if you ask Daniel (dpb),
he can put you on an auto-CC list, which will get a mail for ALL
comments to the trac. It turned
out to be really useful for me, I am sure he'll put you on that list
as well, if you want.

From chousuke at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 14:15:38 2009
From: chousuke at gmail.com (Jarkko Oranen)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:15:38 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Extremely choppy scrolling with j/k using latest git
Message-ID: <EE7DA6EE-8102-4123-BD8F-95A5D8CC3D6D@gmail.com>

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Hello.

I noticed that using the latest git, scrolling with j and k in Firefox  
(3.5b4, OS X 10.5.6. Didn't test other versions) becomes extremely  
laggy, even on very lightweight webpages. I have :noremap j 4j and  
similarly for k, if that is relevant.

Backing out Kris' eventqueue patch (commit  33e5d33e) seems to fix it.  
I have no idea why it causes vimperator to become so laggy.

I also have another, probably unrelated issue with completion... for  
some reason, I can't tabcomplete :set variables anymore... I have no  
idea when this happened.

- --
Jarkko
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 14:32:30 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:32:30 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Extremely choppy scrolling with j/k using
	latest	git
In-Reply-To: <EE7DA6EE-8102-4123-BD8F-95A5D8CC3D6D@gmail.com>
References: <EE7DA6EE-8102-4123-BD8F-95A5D8CC3D6D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090429213230.GF7948@jg.home>

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:15:38AM +0300, Jarkko Oranen wrote:
> Backing out Kris' eventqueue patch (commit  33e5d33e) seems to fix it. I 
> have no idea why it causes vimperator to become so laggy.

Hm, I did that for the opposite reason: it was laggy without it.

-- 
Kris Maglione

If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be
the process of putting them in.
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


From chousuke at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 14:42:31 2009
From: chousuke at gmail.com (Jarkko Oranen)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:42:31 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Extremely choppy scrolling with j/k using
	latest	git
In-Reply-To: <20090429213230.GF7948@jg.home>
References: <EE7DA6EE-8102-4123-BD8F-95A5D8CC3D6D@gmail.com>
	<20090429213230.GF7948@jg.home>
Message-ID: <827A096C-E222-43BE-9E41-D19DE6E100AF@gmail.com>

On 30 Apr 2009, at 00:32, Kris Maglione wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:15:38AM +0300, Jarkko Oranen wrote:
>> Backing out Kris' eventqueue patch (commit  33e5d33e) seems to fix  
>> it. I have no idea why it causes vimperator to become so laggy.
>
> Hm, I did that for the opposite reason: it was laggy without it.

... Interesting. I wonder if it's just papering over a bug somewhere  
else. Unfortunately, I know next to nothing about Firefox or  
Vimperator internals, so I can't even make an educated guess.

Still, Firefox is basically unusable for me without reverting that  
change, so something needs to be done. I'll help in debugging if you  
can tell me what I should be looking for. :/

--
Jarkko
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From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Wed Apr 29 16:51:03 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:51:03 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Extremely choppy scrolling with j/k using latest
 git
In-Reply-To: <20090429213230.GF7948@jg.home>
References: <EE7DA6EE-8102-4123-BD8F-95A5D8CC3D6D@gmail.com>
	<20090429213230.GF7948@jg.home>
Message-ID: <49F8E7E7.4060602@vimperator.org>

On 04/29/2009 11:32 PM, Kris Maglione wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:15:38AM +0300, Jarkko Oranen wrote:
>> Backing out Kris' eventqueue patch (commit  33e5d33e) seems to fix it. I 
>> have no idea why it causes vimperator to become so laggy.
> 
> Hm, I did that for the opposite reason: it was laggy without it.


For me, this commit (i think at least this commit) makes :open completion
MUCH faster, it's nearly instant for all my test which i run and fixes most
complaints we have seen for the open prompt.

However, I just noticed another bug with the new :open

try (with set wop=auto, probably also without):

:open facexxxxxxx<tab><bs><bs><bs><bs><bs><bs><bs>:

After <tab> it gets into <waiting> state, but it doesn't reset
the tab index after pressing backspace, so once you get back to
"face" you get "facebook.com" completed (well, in case you surfed
to that site).

-
Martin

PS: :noremap j 4j always seemed a little choppy for me. On my - quite fast -
pc i therefore use :noremap j jjjj which is a little more like smooth scrolling
without having to actually enable it.

PPS: And yes, :set completions seem to be broken, no idea since when of if
this commit was the cause.

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 17:26:20 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:26:20 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Extremely choppy scrolling with j/k using
	latest	git
In-Reply-To: <49F8E7E7.4060602@vimperator.org>
References: <EE7DA6EE-8102-4123-BD8F-95A5D8CC3D6D@gmail.com>
	<20090429213230.GF7948@jg.home> <49F8E7E7.4060602@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <20090430002620.GG7948@jg.home>

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 01:51:03AM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>After <tab> it gets into <waiting> state, but it doesn't reset
>the tab index after pressing backspace, so once you get back to
>"face" you get "facebook.com" completed (well, in case you surfed
>to that site).

Yes, completion is *soo* much faster now.

-- 
Kris Maglione

I do not believe in the immortality of the individual, and I consider
ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority
behind it.
	--Albert Einstein


From chousuke at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 00:42:17 2009
From: chousuke at gmail.com (Jarkko Oranen)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:42:17 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Extremely choppy scrolling with j/k using
	latest	git
In-Reply-To: <20090430002620.GG7948@jg.home>
References: <EE7DA6EE-8102-4123-BD8F-95A5D8CC3D6D@gmail.com>
	<20090429213230.GF7948@jg.home> <49F8E7E7.4060602@vimperator.org>
	<20090430002620.GG7948@jg.home>
Message-ID: <7616FBBF-79C2-44B5-B2B5-22FA922BBB8D@gmail.com>


On 30 Apr 2009, at 03:26, Kris Maglione wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 01:51:03AM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>> After <tab> it gets into <waiting> state, but it doesn't reset
>> the tab index after pressing backspace, so once you get back to
>> "face" you get "facebook.com" completed (well, in case you surfed
>> to that site).
>
> Yes, completion is *soo* much faster now.

Indeed, it seems to be. The hack you added seems to also have fixed  
the sluggishness!
I think it'd be prudent to add a comment that clarifies why it's like  
that, though. It's not exactly obvious.

IMO the real problem is having a function that takes "true" or "false"  
as a parameter in the first place*, but... It happens.

Anyway, thanks for the fix. And the completion one too. :)

(* acceptable if the function only sets a flag somewhere to either  
value)

--
Jarkko
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From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Apr 30 01:29:55 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:29:55 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Extremely choppy scrolling with j/k using latest
	git
In-Reply-To: <7616FBBF-79C2-44B5-B2B5-22FA922BBB8D@gmail.com>
References: <EE7DA6EE-8102-4123-BD8F-95A5D8CC3D6D@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <aaae92100904300129g75918408p57c80d817a77ad97@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Jarkko Oranen <chousuke at gmail.com> wrote:
> IMO the real problem is having a function that takes "true" or "false" as a
> parameter in the first place*, but... It happens.

Hehe, seems someone has a good understanding about API design :)

I could really recommend every developer to read:

http://doc.trolltech.com/qq/qq13-apis.html

I think they have lots of good points, also for developing non Qt/C++ APIs.
I also like their view on side effects. Something like PrintPath() should never
modify any internal variables which could have side effects.

Currently, our vimperator API doesn't follow those 6 characteristics
in all cases.
but it should whenever possible.

--
Martin

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Apr 30 01:32:52 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:32:52 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Extremely choppy scrolling with j/k using latest
	git
In-Reply-To: <20090430002620.GG7948@jg.home>
References: <EE7DA6EE-8102-4123-BD8F-95A5D8CC3D6D@gmail.com>
	<20090429213230.GF7948@jg.home> <49F8E7E7.4060602@vimperator.org>
	<20090430002620.GG7948@jg.home>
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:26 AM, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>> After <tab> it gets into <waiting> state, but it doesn't reset
>> the tab index after pressing backspace, so once you get back to
>> "face" you get "facebook.com" completed (well, in case you surfed
>> to that site).
>
> Yes, completion is *soo* much faster now.

Either I didn't get your joke, or you didn't consider my bug report as a real
bug but a feature... (which it is not, it's a bug).

Anyway, thanks a lot for your *HACK*, I think with that, I'll release
2.1 quite soon.
I am just thinking, whether we should merge the localized docs patch
before that,
or after that.

From dpb at driftaway.org  Thu Apr 30 01:38:58 2009
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:38:58 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Extremely choppy scrolling with j/k using latest
	git
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904300132i4712676dj509493292061c6b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EE7DA6EE-8102-4123-BD8F-95A5D8CC3D6D@gmail.com>
	<20090429213230.GF7948@jg.home> <49F8E7E7.4060602@vimperator.org>
	<20090430002620.GG7948@jg.home>
	<aaae92100904300132i4712676dj509493292061c6b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230904300138v460300e6v4c68819b3abb9f3d@mail.gmail.com>

2009/4/30 Martin Stubenschrott <maxauthority at vimperator.org>:
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:26 AM, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> After <tab> it gets into <waiting> state, but it doesn't reset
>>> the tab index after pressing backspace, so once you get back to
>>> "face" you get "facebook.com" completed (well, in case you surfed
>>> to that site).
>>
>> Yes, completion is *soo* much faster now.
>
> Either I didn't get your joke, or you didn't consider my bug report as a real
> bug but a feature... (which it is not, it's a bug).
>
> Anyway, thanks a lot for your *HACK*, I think with that, I'll release
> 2.1 quite soon.
> I am just thinking, whether we should merge the localized docs patch
> before that,
> or after that.

I'd say after. Needs to have some testing.

--
Daniel

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Apr 30 05:22:55 2009
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:22:55 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] New tab "+" and tab numbering when tabs get deleted
Message-ID: <49F9981F.4040403@tedpavlic.com>

This might be an old issue, but I've noticed that since using Vimperator 
on FF3.5, the tab bar has been behaving a little strangely.

In particular, the *first* time I open Vimperator, the tab that gets 
loaded is on the *LEFT* of the "+" (new tab) tab. Any new tabs I create 
pop in on the right of the "+" tab. This behavior occurs in both OS X 
and Windows.


More strangely (and only on OS X), as I delete tabs, they keep their 
number. For example, right now (on OS X) I'm looking at a window that 
has a single tab numbered "2". Every new window I open after that has 
the new tab "+" tab in the right place, but the tabs still don't get 
renumbered after they're deleted.

Is this all working as desired? I haven't checked to see if my 
.vimperatorrc is playing a role.

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

   Please visit my ALS association page:
         http://web.alsa.org/goto/tedpavlic
   My family appreciates your support in the fight to defeat ALS.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Apr 30 05:27:34 2009
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:27:34 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] New tab "+" and tab numbering when tabs get deleted
In-Reply-To: <49F9981F.4040403@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49F9981F.4040403@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49F99936.1010208@tedpavlic.com>

> More strangely (and only on OS X), as I delete tabs, they keep their

This strange numbering now occurs in Windows too (since I've upgraded to 
FF3.5b4; the numbering worked as before on FF3.5b3...or was it b2...)

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

   Please visit my ALS association page:
         http://web.alsa.org/goto/tedpavlic
   My family appreciates your support in the fight to defeat ALS.

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 05:42:48 2009
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:42:48 +1000
Subject: [Vimperator] New tab "+" and tab numbering when tabs get deleted
In-Reply-To: <49F9981F.4040403@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49F9981F.4040403@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0904300542w68651b50pe7f0641cdb5359c0@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/30/09, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
> This might be an old issue, but I've noticed that since using Vimperator on
> FF3.5, the tab bar has been behaving a little strangely.

I've seen this once too but haven't investigated.

Doug

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Apr 30 05:54:08 2009
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:54:08 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] New tab "+" and tab numbering when tabs get deleted
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0904300542w68651b50pe7f0641cdb5359c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49F9981F.4040403@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0904300542w68651b50pe7f0641cdb5359c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100904300554q641332e1vdb2f4c317e8f4cd9@mail.gmail.com>

I have seen that too, I just hope it doesn't exist with go-=[nN]

BTW: Are you really back, Doug? :)

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Apr 30 12:04:52 2009
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:04:52 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] New tab "+" and tab numbering when tabs get deleted
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100904300554q641332e1vdb2f4c317e8f4cd9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49F9981F.4040403@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0904300542w68651b50pe7f0641cdb5359c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904300554q641332e1vdb2f4c317e8f4cd9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49F9F654.1060503@tedpavlic.com>

> I have seen that too, I just hope it doesn't exist with go-=[nN]

After creating four tabs and deleting the third, I get three tabs 
numbered 1, 2, and 4. When I click on one of the other tabs, the numbers 
*then* get updated properly to 1, 2, and 3.

So some even that updates those numbers isn't getting fired off when 
tabs are deleted. It's only getting fired off when tabs are focused. 
Perhaps this is a bug in 3.5b4. <?>

Because the problem is only with the display, going to the tabs by 
number goes to the proper tab (and once it gets focused, the displayed 
numbers get updated properly).

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

   Please visit my ALS association page:
         http://web.alsa.org/goto/tedpavlic
   My family appreciates your support in the fight to defeat ALS.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Apr 30 12:06:11 2009
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:06:11 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] New tab "+" and tab numbering when tabs get deleted
In-Reply-To: <49F9F654.1060503@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49F9981F.4040403@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0904300542w68651b50pe7f0641cdb5359c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904300554q641332e1vdb2f4c317e8f4cd9@mail.gmail.com>
	<49F9F654.1060503@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49F9F6A3.6090109@tedpavlic.com>

>> I have seen that too, I just hope it doesn't exist with go-=[nN]

All of that being said, any thoughts on why the "+" shows up on the 
wrong side of the first tab? It's like the tab bar is getting generated 
in the wrong order... Like the first tab gets created before the "+" tab 
gets created.

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

   Please visit my ALS association page:
         http://web.alsa.org/goto/tedpavlic
   My family appreciates your support in the fight to defeat ALS.

From stubenschrott at vimperator.org  Thu Apr 30 12:12:42 2009
From: stubenschrott at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:12:42 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] New tab "+" and tab numbering when tabs get deleted
In-Reply-To: <49F9F6A3.6090109@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49F9981F.4040403@tedpavlic.com>	<644fc65e0904300542w68651b50pe7f0641cdb5359c0@mail.gmail.com>	<aaae92100904300554q641332e1vdb2f4c317e8f4cd9@mail.gmail.com>	<49F9F654.1060503@tedpavlic.com>
	<49F9F6A3.6090109@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49F9F82A.4090204@vimperator.org>

On 04/30/2009 09:06 PM, Ted Pavlic wrote:

>>> I have seen that too, I just hope it doesn't exist with go-=[nN]
> 
> All of that being said, any thoughts on why the "+" shows up on the 
> wrong side of the first tab? It's like the tab bar is getting generated 
> in the wrong order... Like the first tab gets created before the "+" tab 
> gets created.


Another bug which only happens when guioptions+=[nN].

Works fine without it, but i seriously gave up fixing all those issues. I am
glad, however, if people using tab numbers may fix it, so that it at least works fine
with a default firefox (3.5).

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 14:03:26 2009
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:03:26 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] New tab "+" and tab numbering when tabs get	deleted
In-Reply-To: <49F9F82A.4090204@vimperator.org>
References: <49F9981F.4040403@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0904300542w68651b50pe7f0641cdb5359c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100904300554q641332e1vdb2f4c317e8f4cd9@mail.gmail.com>
	<49F9F654.1060503@tedpavlic.com> <49F9F6A3.6090109@tedpavlic.com>
	<49F9F82A.4090204@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <20090430210326.GA7947@jg.home>

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 09:12:42PM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>Another bug which only happens when guioptions+=[nN].
>
>Works fine without it, but i seriously gave up fixing all those issues. I am
>glad, however, if people using tab numbers may fix it, so that it at least works fine
>with a default firefox (3.5).

It must have something to do with Tab(Open|Close) events not 
firing, as far as the numbering is concerned. As for opening to 
the right of the plus, who knows? We don't have any say as to 
where the tabs open, we just use the standard browser.loadOneTab 
interface. Perhaps some extension is culpable? At any rate, I 
don't have a "+" tab, so I wouldn't notice.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age 18.
	--Albert Einstein