From eyolf at oestrem.com  Wed Oct  1 01:22:16 2008
From: eyolf at oestrem.com (Eyolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8strem?=)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:22:16 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] For some reason vimperator doesn't work at all
In-Reply-To: <3ec81ae0809301858s64dcdb3cn1114f080d65c6b56@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fb3648c60809300726g45da58f4x456c987b301239bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ec81ae0809300755m3dbf552bq421b4d0e44d070f@mail.gmail.com>
	<fb3648c60809300802k6ff87674y8ecf80db912a0817@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ec81ae0809301858s64dcdb3cn1114f080d65c6b56@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081001082216.GA25420@eyo>

On 30.09.2008 (18:58), Jacob wrote:
> I have one Ubuntu 8.04 with Vimperator installed on a Toshiba a100 laptop
> which gets this same problem with Firefox 3.0.3 and version 2.0.17. I have
> not been able to narrow down the issue yet, but no commands work whatsoever.
> Vimperator seems to be stuck in insert mode. I have no other plugins
> installed. However on an AMD64 desktop machine running Ubuntu 8.04 and
> Firefox 2.0.17 and Firefox 3.0.3 with Vimperator installed on both it works
> just fine. Also no other plugins installed except Firebug. Has anyone
> overcome this issue before? I really want to use Vimperator.

Same problem here. Solved it by downgrading to an earlier version. Not a
permanent solution, though :)


Eyolf
 
> Jake
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:02 AM, fREW Schmidt <frioux at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > At home (where it worked) Ubuntu and Firefox 3.0.3, and here at work
> > Windows XP SP3 with Firefox 3.0.3.  Here are my extensions if that might
> > matter:
> >
> > AdBlock Plus 0.7.5.5
> > All-in-One Gestures 0.19.1
> > Better Gmail 2 0.6.1
> > ChromaTabs Plus 2.1
> > CSRF Protector 0.1
> > Delicious Bookmarks 2.0.104
> > DownThemAll! 1.0.3
> > Fast Dial 2.11
> > FaviconizeTab 0.9.8.2
> > Firebug 1.2.1
> > Forcastfox 0.9.7.7
> > Gmail Notifier 0.6.3.8
> > Googe Notebook 1.0.0.22
> > Greasemonkey 0.8.20080609.0
> > keyconfig 20080929
> > Pencil 1.0.3
> > Rainbow for Firebug 0.7
> > Read it Later 0.9821
> > Tab Mix Plus 0.3.7pre.080728
> > Ubuquity 0.1.1
> > Vimperator 1.2
> > YSlow 0.9.5b2
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Jacob <jacobchappelle at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> What OS are you running? and which browser + version?
> >>
> >>
> >> Jake
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:26 AM, fREW Schmidt <frioux at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>  So I installed vimperator at home and I had no issues; it worked
> >>> great.  So I came to work this morning and installed the plugin, restarted
> >>> firefox, and then h/j and gt/gT don't work.  Also the bars at the top are
> >>> still visible.  The only difference is that the bar at the bottom is black
> >>> and white, but I can't type any :commands.  Any thoughts on what the problem
> >>> could be?
> >>>
> >>> -fREW
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Vimperator mailing list
> >>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> >>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Vimperator mailing list
> >> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> >> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Vimperator mailing list
> > Vimperator at mozdev.org
> > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> >
> >

> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator


-- 
A Dublin lawyer died in poverty and many barristers of the city subscribed to
a fund for his funeral.  The Lord Chief Justice of Orbury was asked to donate
a shilling.  "Only a shilling?" exclaimed the man. "Only a shilling to bury
an attorney?  Here's a guinea; go and bury twenty of them."

From kenneth at kmiles.co.uk  Wed Oct  1 07:29:31 2008
From: kenneth at kmiles.co.uk (Kenneth Miles)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:29:31 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Vimperator] Statusline query
Message-ID: <1f3863faf6a562f9bc416dfe2344b153.squirrel@kmiles.co.uk>

Can someone please explain the meaning of the following after a web
address on the status line.

[+-&#10084;]

Thanks in advance, Kenneth
http://kmiles.co.uk


From groovecircle at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 18:42:38 2008
From: groovecircle at gmail.com (Doug Thompson)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:42:38 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] Looks like another really good program I can't use
	because it isn't coherently exlplained.
Message-ID: <647436bb0810011842i1dc38824g6a1391c5654419c3@mail.gmail.com>

For the most part, from what  I'v e been able to make out from the
info on this vimperater thing and it looks like something I could
really use, ..BUT...
one of the most important and basic features I need---using links or
bookmarks to quickly navigate to websites is completely lacking here,
and I know it's possible with the program...It's bad writing that
makes no sense and does nothing to help me understand how to select
and use a bookmark to navigate to a web page.

And then there are quicklinks--maybe that's even better, but I'll be
damned if I know, I can't make any of it work with every crazy
interpretation I can get out of the gobbledygook directions given!  I
guess, as excited about this program as I started out being I'm just
giving up because someone just didn't think it was important to
explain simple things coherently.

I'm pissed though because it's part of a much larger problem.... this
shit is EVERYWHERE! In

From martinsteer at maxi.net.au  Wed Oct  1 22:40:32 2008
From: martinsteer at maxi.net.au (Martin Steer)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:40:32 +1000
Subject: [Vimperator] Looks like another really good program I can't use
	because it isn't coherently exlplained.
In-Reply-To: <647436bb0810011842i1dc38824g6a1391c5654419c3@mail.gmail.com>
	(Doug Thompson's message of "Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:42:38 -0700")
References: <647436bb0810011842i1dc38824g6a1391c5654419c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87skrfo8q7.fsf@maxi.net.au>

"Doug Thompson" <groovecircle at gmail.com> writes:

> For the most part, from what  I'v e been able to make out from the
> info on this vimperater thing and it looks like something I could
> really use, ..BUT...
> one of the most important and basic features I need---using links or
> bookmarks to quickly navigate to websites is completely lacking here,
> and I know it's possible with the program...It's bad writing that
> makes no sense and does nothing to help me understand how to select
> and use a bookmark to navigate to a web page.

Two ways to find the help you need: type ":h bookmarks" to go there
directly, or use F1 (fn-1), which will open the vimperator page. In the
list of topics there is the following entry:

Marks: Using bookmarks, QuickMarks, history and local marks.

The "using bookmarks" section is actually about setting them. I'm
guessing that what you're asking about is how to use them once they're
set. There may be better ways, but I just type "o" (= ": open") and then
type something pertinent, relying on completion to pick up the bookmark.

Typing ":h completion" will give you a little bit of info about that.

>
> And then there are quicklinks--maybe that's even better, but I'll be
> damned if I know, I can't make any of it work with every crazy
> interpretation I can get out of the gobbledygook directions given!  I
> guess, as excited about this program as I started out being I'm just
> giving up because someone just didn't think it was important to
> explain simple things coherently.
>

Vimperator is a very good piece of software, which of course has some
eccentricities. As the name suggests, it will seem less strange to
someone who is accustomed to vim. The reason I use it is because I like
to do things from the keyboard (rather than using e.g. a mouse), and for
that purpose it is far better than anything else I have tried.

> I'm pissed though because it's part of a much larger problem.... this
> shit is EVERYWHERE! In

But not here. My advice is to have another look at the help pages. If
they don't in fact help, ask nicely on this list.

--
Martin

From chemaja at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 05:11:46 2008
From: chemaja at gmail.com (B)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 22:11:46 +1000
Subject: [Vimperator] Broken Firefox tab behaviour caused by Vimperator?
Message-ID: <27051a9c0810020511q24ec7e95k50c962211f243889@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I was happily running Vimperator 1.2 on Firefox 3.0.3 (Windows XP
Professional SP3, under limited user account), until I noticed that under
Vimperator, Gmail Chat windows did not open in a separate window when
"popped-out"; they instead opened as a new tab under the main Vimperator
window.

As I couldn't find a fix for this, I disabled Vimperator, but the behaviour
persisted. So, I uninstalled Vimperator and restarted Firefox, but still,
this behaviour persists.

What's worse is that regular Firefox tabs are now broken: closing the second
last tab doesn't close the tab bar (a single tab by default does not show a
tab bar under Firefox), and closing the last tab does not close the Firefox
window (the last tab's content goes away but a blank tab remains).

Two questions, listed in order of importance:
1) How can I restore the normal Firefox tab behaviour without deleting my
Firefox profile?
2) How can I make Vimperator play nice with Google Chat "pop-out" chat
windows?


Thanks,
Billy.
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From dougkearns at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 08:49:14 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:49:14 +1000
Subject: [Vimperator] Broken Firefox tab behaviour caused by Vimperator?
In-Reply-To: <27051a9c0810020511q24ec7e95k50c962211f243889@mail.gmail.com>
References: <27051a9c0810020511q24ec7e95k50c962211f243889@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0810020849w21fd5700i9a1907291bf1f157@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:11 PM, B <chemaja at gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>

> Two questions, listed in order of importance:
> 1) How can I restore the normal Firefox tab behaviour without deleting my
> Firefox profile?

Set these back to their default or your preferred value.
browser.link.open_newwindow.restriction
browser.link.open_newwindow

> 2) How can I make Vimperator play nice with Google Chat "pop-out" chat
> windows?

:help popups

Doug

From stubenschrott at gmx.net  Thu Oct  2 15:15:55 2008
From: stubenschrott at gmx.net (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:15:55 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Statusline query
In-Reply-To: <1f3863faf6a562f9bc416dfe2344b153.squirrel@kmiles.co.uk>
References: <1f3863faf6a562f9bc416dfe2344b153.squirrel@kmiles.co.uk>
Message-ID: <48E5481B.6030300@gmx.net>

On 2008-10-01 16:29, Kenneth Miles wrote:

> Can someone please explain the meaning of the following after a web
> address on the status line.
> 
> [+-&#10084;]

+ means you can go back, - go forward, the heart means the page is
bookmarked.

From groszek at onet.pl  Thu Oct  2 13:27:57 2008
From: groszek at onet.pl (Mateusz Grochowski)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:27:57 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] editor vim and urxvt
In-Reply-To: <20080925090506.GA31498@easter-eggs.com>
References: <20080925090506.GA31498@easter-eggs.com>
Message-ID: <48E52ECD.8040604@onet.pl>

> When using 
> 
> :set editor=gvim -f -> it works.
> :set editor=urxvt -e vim -f -> it works
> 
> :set editor=urxvtc -e vim -f it does-nt work
> :set editor=urxvtcd -e vim -f it does-nt work
> 
> In fact for urxvtc and urxvtcd vim open /tmp/vimperator.tmp in 
> edition mode but the file is empty.

It is not a bug. Actually, if you think for a moment about it, it is 
pretty obvious what happens here (if you know how urxvtc/urxvtd work).

> As urxvtc and urxvtcd connect to a deamon "urxvtd" to start
> faster perharps they open before the tmp file is populate...

Actually, it's exactly the opposite :)

Your browser creates a temporary file, runs the application you 
specified as your preferred editor, then waits until this application 
exits, so that it can get the edited contents of the temp file and then 
delete it.

Now when you run gvim or a normal terminal emulator, everything works 
fine. But urxvtc does _NOT_ run shell/vim itself. It signals the urxvtd 
daemon to do the real work (create a terminal with specified 
parameters), then it exits IMMEDIATELY. Thus, vimp detects that urxvtc 
has exited, and reads back and deletes the temp file. All well before 
urxvtd is able to start a terminal window with vim inside.

If you want to use urxvtc+vim as your preferred editor, you will have to 
wrap them up in a shell script that runs urxvtc and waits for vim to 
exit before it exits itself. Use something like this (a crude example, I 
know):

#!/bin/bash

TMPDIR=/tmp
TMPFILEPREFIX=urxvtc-wrapper

if [ "$1" == "-nested" ]; then
    fifo="$2"
    trap "echo >$fifo" EXIT
    shift 2
    "$@"
else
    fifo="$TMPDIR/$TMPFILEPREFIX-$$"
    if mkfifo "$fifo"; then
       if urxvtc -e "$0" -nested "$fifo" "$@"; then
          read <"$fifo"
       fi
       rm "$fifo"
    fi
fi
# END OF FILE

Name this file something like "urxvtc_wait_for", place it in 
/usr/local/bin, make it executable, then do
:set editor=urxvtc_wait_for vim -f

Hope this helps

Matt

From chemaja at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 16:09:30 2008
From: chemaja at gmail.com (B)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:09:30 +1000
Subject: [Vimperator] Broken Firefox tab behaviour caused by Vimperator?
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0810020849w21fd5700i9a1907291bf1f157@mail.gmail.com>
References: <27051a9c0810020511q24ec7e95k50c962211f243889@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0810020849w21fd5700i9a1907291bf1f157@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27051a9c0810021609h6b30aeaja1b21f7563b89b7a@mail.gmail.com>

> Set these back to their default or your preferred value.
> browser.link.open_newwindow.restriction
> browser.link.open_newwindow

Hi Doug. Via about:config, I set these back to their default (2 and 3,
respectively) and restarted Firefox, but the behaviour persists.

Note I still have not re-installed Vimperator (I would like to fix the tab
behaviour first).

What else could it be?
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From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Oct  2 18:27:24 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:27:24 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Cntrl+I on OS X
Message-ID: <48E574FC.5030305@tedpavlic.com>

I feel like this has been addressed on the mailing list, but I can't 
find it.

Is the problem with the "editor" setting on OS/X fixable? Or is it a 
problem with Firefox as a whole?

I've tried setting it to an explicit path (e.g., /usr/local/bin/gvim and 
/usr/local/bin/gvim -f). When I do that, the box flashes grey and then 
yellow. If I don't give a full path, it seems to just flash yellow.

Fixable? Or not ever an option on OS X?

Thanks --
Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From dpb at driftaway.org  Thu Oct  2 22:47:17 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:47:17 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Cntrl+I on OS X
In-Reply-To: <48E574FC.5030305@tedpavlic.com>
References: <48E574FC.5030305@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230810022247i5ebcb367ia7f7f403ee131136@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/3 Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>:
> I feel like this has been addressed on the mailing list, but I can't find
> it.
>
> Is the problem with the "editor" setting on OS/X fixable? Or is it a problem
> with Firefox as a whole?
>
> I've tried setting it to an explicit path (e.g., /usr/local/bin/gvim and
> /usr/local/bin/gvim -f). When I do that, the box flashes grey and then
> yellow. If I don't give a full path, it seems to just flash yellow.
>
> Fixable? Or not ever an option on OS X?

http://vimperator.cutup.org/index.php?title=Tips_and_Tricks#Using_external_editor_on_Mac_OS_X

That is how I did it.

--
Daniel

From dpb at driftaway.org  Thu Oct  2 22:54:23 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:54:23 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Broken Firefox tab behaviour caused by Vimperator?
In-Reply-To: <27051a9c0810021609h6b30aeaja1b21f7563b89b7a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <27051a9c0810020511q24ec7e95k50c962211f243889@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0810020849w21fd5700i9a1907291bf1f157@mail.gmail.com>
	<27051a9c0810021609h6b30aeaja1b21f7563b89b7a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230810022254q98ec11ek3e816e4edab7a30@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/3 B <chemaja at gmail.com>:
>> Set these back to their default or your preferred value.
>> browser.link.open_newwindow.restriction
>> browser.link.open_newwindow
>
> Hi Doug. Via about:config, I set these back to their default (2 and 3,
> respectively) and restarted Firefox, but the behaviour persists.
>
> Note I still have not re-installed Vimperator (I would like to fix the tab
> behaviour first).
> What else could it be?

Open the Firefox preferences and go to the Tabs tab. Using the right
options there will fix most of your problems.

--
Daniel

From chemaja at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 01:45:55 2008
From: chemaja at gmail.com (B)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 18:45:55 +1000
Subject: [Vimperator] Broken Firefox tab behaviour caused by Vimperator?
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230810022254q98ec11ek3e816e4edab7a30@mail.gmail.com>
References: <27051a9c0810020511q24ec7e95k50c962211f243889@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0810020849w21fd5700i9a1907291bf1f157@mail.gmail.com>
	<27051a9c0810021609h6b30aeaja1b21f7563b89b7a@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230810022254q98ec11ek3e816e4edab7a30@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27051a9c0810030145y1dccd70al188f748352a3b143@mail.gmail.com>

> Open the Firefox preferences and go to the Tabs tab. Using the right
> options there will fix most of your problems.

Deselecting the "always show the tab bar" option fixed the tab
behaviour problem. Interestingly, the Google Chat pop-out problem has
also somehow gone away.

My theory is that installing Vimperator caused the above Firefox tab
option to be selected, but uninstalling did not deselect it. I have no
theory for what solved the pop-out problem.

Thanks Doug and Daniel; I am now better equipped for my next venture
into the land of Vimperator! :-)



Billy.

From dpb at driftaway.org  Fri Oct  3 01:57:45 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:57:45 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Broken Firefox tab behaviour caused by Vimperator?
In-Reply-To: <27051a9c0810030145y1dccd70al188f748352a3b143@mail.gmail.com>
References: <27051a9c0810020511q24ec7e95k50c962211f243889@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0810020849w21fd5700i9a1907291bf1f157@mail.gmail.com>
	<27051a9c0810021609h6b30aeaja1b21f7563b89b7a@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230810022254q98ec11ek3e816e4edab7a30@mail.gmail.com>
	<27051a9c0810030145y1dccd70al188f748352a3b143@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230810030157u1741ae7naafae3614f4635f5@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/3 B <chemaja at gmail.com>:
>> Open the Firefox preferences and go to the Tabs tab. Using the right
>> options there will fix most of your problems.
>
> Deselecting the "always show the tab bar" option fixed the tab
> behaviour problem. Interestingly, the Google Chat pop-out problem has
> also somehow gone away.
>
> My theory is that installing Vimperator caused the above Firefox tab
> option to be selected, but uninstalling did not deselect it. I have no
> theory for what solved the pop-out problem.
>
> Thanks Doug and Daniel; I am now better equipped for my next venture
> into the land of Vimperator! :-)


Yeah, Vimperator overrides some of the firefox options by default. It
doesn't save the original options anywhere, so it's impossible to
reset them to what they were.

Can extensions even do stuff on "uninstall"?

--
Daniel

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 04:06:12 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 21:06:12 +1000
Subject: [Vimperator] Broken Firefox tab behaviour caused by Vimperator?
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230810030157u1741ae7naafae3614f4635f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <27051a9c0810020511q24ec7e95k50c962211f243889@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0810020849w21fd5700i9a1907291bf1f157@mail.gmail.com>
	<27051a9c0810021609h6b30aeaja1b21f7563b89b7a@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230810022254q98ec11ek3e816e4edab7a30@mail.gmail.com>
	<27051a9c0810030145y1dccd70al188f748352a3b143@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230810030157u1741ae7naafae3614f4635f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0810030406p58be3fb6t2f056e4c6a0632b9@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/3/08, Daniel Bainton <dpb at driftaway.org> wrote:

<snip>

>  Can extensions even do stuff on "uninstall"?

Short answer - yes.

http://developer.mozilla.org/En/Enhanced_Extension_Installation

Doug

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Oct  3 05:27:37 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:27:37 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Cntrl+I on OS X
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230810022247i5ebcb367ia7f7f403ee131136@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48E574FC.5030305@tedpavlic.com>
	<dd9711230810022247i5ebcb367ia7f7f403ee131136@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E60FB9.2000900@tedpavlic.com>

>> Fixable? Or not ever an option on OS X?
> 
> http://vimperator.cutup.org/index.php?title=Tips_and_Tricks#Using_external_editor_on_Mac_OS_X
> 
> 
> That is how I did it.

Your solution is:


:set editor=open -W -n -t


Is this an OS X 10.5 thing? My (OS X 10.4) open doesn't have a -W or a 
-n option. :(

I don't understand why open (i.e., /usr/bin/open) works for you but not 
mvim directly.

Thanks --
Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Oct  3 05:37:25 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:37:25 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] :help completion funniness
Message-ID: <48E61205.3010508@tedpavlic.com>

I'm running vimperator built from the changesets stored at the Mercurial 
clone of the main source repo. This problem seemed to start after a 
batch of changesets a little while ago, but I haven't isolated a 
particular changeset that's the source of the problem.

In my .vimperatorrc, I have:

:set wildoptions=auto
:set cpt=l

which causes my "open" commands to complete like Firefox's URL bar does. 
  However, the "wildoptions=auto" seems to make my ":help" completions 
do really funny things. For example, I tried to type

	:help editor

but it printed on the command line as

	:help edittotor

If I type (not even that quickly):

	:help e(space)

where that (space) is a space, I get things like (these are actual 
examples):

	:help   e
	:help ee
	:help  e e(space)

etc.

	I only see this problem with help completion. My URL completion seems 
to work fine.

	Thoughts?
	--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From pbrugier at easter-eggs.com  Fri Oct  3 09:12:18 2008
From: pbrugier at easter-eggs.com (Pascal Brugier)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 18:12:18 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] editor vim and urxvt
Message-ID: <20081003161218.GB16284@easter-eggs.com>

Hi,

thanks a lot for your explanation Mateusz.

I'll continue to use urxvt & vim for vimpreartor editor it'll be
easiest :).

Best regards.

From groovecircle at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 10:09:29 2008
From: groovecircle at gmail.com (Doug Thompson)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:09:29 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] Looks like another really good program I can't use
	because it isn't coherently exlplained.
In-Reply-To: <87skrfo8q7.fsf@maxi.net.au>
References: <647436bb0810011842i1dc38824g6a1391c5654419c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<87skrfo8q7.fsf@maxi.net.au>
Message-ID: <647436bb0810031009s603f4921n6644053af630b833@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry about my irate email. I guess what I was frustrated about, to be
more clear, is the fact that the instructions were written with no
regard for readers who are just average pc users. By that, I mean
computer literate enough to browse the net, use basic programs, that
sort of thing, but not know term such as used in the vim instructions
like "mapping" and "buffers".

I don't even know where to look those words up! It's just a pet peeve
for me  with software downloads when terms are used and no glossary or
explanation of those terms are used for people unfamiliar with them.
It seems like some kind of common misconception among people writing
manual material for software that everyone using a pc and interested
in the software has a full education in computers!  If that's so, it
needs to be changed. Writers of software instructions need to include
explanations of terms possibly unfamiliar to the average pc user. Why
make good software exclusive to people with extensive computer
knowledge when a little extra trouble to make the instructions
understandable would make it available even to ignoramuses like me?

Some good instructions I've stumbled upon have a glossary and each
word in the glossary used in the instructions is a link to the
corresponding  explanation in the glossary.

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Martin Steer <martinsteer at maxi.net.au> wrote:
> "Doug Thompson" <groovecircle at gmail.com> writes:
>
>> For the most part, from what  I'v e been able to make out from the
>> info on this vimperater thing and it looks like something I could
>> really use, ..BUT...
>> one of the most important and basic features I need---using links or
>> bookmarks to quickly navigate to websites is completely lacking here,
>> and I know it's possible with the program...It's bad writing that
>> makes no sense and does nothing to help me understand how to select
>> and use a bookmark to navigate to a web page.
>
> Two ways to find the help you need: type ":h bookmarks" to go there
> directly, or use F1 (fn-1), which will open the vimperator page. In the
> list of topics there is the following entry:
>
> Marks: Using bookmarks, QuickMarks, history and local marks.
>
> The "using bookmarks" section is actually about setting them. I'm
> guessing that what you're asking about is how to use them once they're
> set. There may be better ways, but I just type "o" (= ": open") and then
> type something pertinent, relying on completion to pick up the bookmark.
>
> Typing ":h completion" will give you a little bit of info about that.
>
>>
>> And then there are quicklinks--maybe that's even better, but I'll be
>> damned if I know, I can't make any of it work with every crazy
>> interpretation I can get out of the gobbledygook directions given!  I
>> guess, as excited about this program as I started out being I'm just
>> giving up because someone just didn't think it was important to
>> explain simple things coherently.
>>
>
> Vimperator is a very good piece of software, which of course has some
> eccentricities. As the name suggests, it will seem less strange to
> someone who is accustomed to vim. The reason I use it is because I like
> to do things from the keyboard (rather than using e.g. a mouse), and for
> that purpose it is far better than anything else I have tried.
>
>> I'm pissed though because it's part of a much larger problem.... this
>> shit is EVERYWHERE! In
>
> But not here. My advice is to have another look at the help pages. If
> they don't in fact help, ask nicely on this list.
>
> --
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From groovecircle at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 10:28:14 2008
From: groovecircle at gmail.com (Doug Thompson)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:28:14 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] Looks like another really good program I can't use
	because it isn't coherently exlplained.
In-Reply-To: <647436bb0810031009s603f4921n6644053af630b833@mail.gmail.com>
References: <647436bb0810011842i1dc38824g6a1391c5654419c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<87skrfo8q7.fsf@maxi.net.au>
	<647436bb0810031009s603f4921n6644053af630b833@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <647436bb0810031028o76476770m12881a4eaaee369b@mail.gmail.com>

OK, could you please tell me what is meant in the bookmarks help where
it says: "The following items are interpreted."  I have no clue what
is meant by "interpreted"

I just have no clue what's interpreting what as what for what..
Actually better yet, could you maybe just tell me how to get my FF
bookmarks bar back without having to reopen it every time I open the
browser? That would solve the whole problem. I like Vim, but I'd
really love it if I just had quick access to my bookmarks.
Thanx

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Doug Thompson <groovecircle at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry about my irate email. I guess what I was frustrated about, to be
> more clear, is the fact that the instructions were written with no
> regard for readers who are just average pc users. By that, I mean
> computer literate enough to browse the net, use basic programs, that
> sort of thing, but not know term such as used in the vim instructions
> like "mapping" and "buffers".
>
> I don't even know where to look those words up! It's just a pet peeve
> for me  with software downloads when terms are used and no glossary or
> explanation of those terms are used for people unfamiliar with them.
> It seems like some kind of common misconception among people writing
> manual material for software that everyone using a pc and interested
> in the software has a full education in computers!  If that's so, it
> needs to be changed. Writers of software instructions need to include
> explanations of terms possibly unfamiliar to the average pc user. Why
> make good software exclusive to people with extensive computer
> knowledge when a little extra trouble to make the instructions
> understandable would make it available even to ignoramuses like me?
>
> Some good instructions I've stumbled upon have a glossary and each
> word in the glossary used in the instructions is a link to the
> corresponding  explanation in the glossary.
>
> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Martin Steer <martinsteer at maxi.net.au> wrote:
>> "Doug Thompson" <groovecircle at gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> For the most part, from what  I'v e been able to make out from the
>>> info on this vimperater thing and it looks like something I could
>>> really use, ..BUT...
>>> one of the most important and basic features I need---using links or
>>> bookmarks to quickly navigate to websites is completely lacking here,
>>> and I know it's possible with the program...It's bad writing that
>>> makes no sense and does nothing to help me understand how to select
>>> and use a bookmark to navigate to a web page.
>>
>> Two ways to find the help you need: type ":h bookmarks" to go there
>> directly, or use F1 (fn-1), which will open the vimperator page. In the
>> list of topics there is the following entry:
>>
>> Marks: Using bookmarks, QuickMarks, history and local marks.
>>
>> The "using bookmarks" section is actually about setting them. I'm
>> guessing that what you're asking about is how to use them once they're
>> set. There may be better ways, but I just type "o" (= ": open") and then
>> type something pertinent, relying on completion to pick up the bookmark.
>>
>> Typing ":h completion" will give you a little bit of info about that.
>>
>>>
>>> And then there are quicklinks--maybe that's even better, but I'll be
>>> damned if I know, I can't make any of it work with every crazy
>>> interpretation I can get out of the gobbledygook directions given!  I
>>> guess, as excited about this program as I started out being I'm just
>>> giving up because someone just didn't think it was important to
>>> explain simple things coherently.
>>>
>>
>> Vimperator is a very good piece of software, which of course has some
>> eccentricities. As the name suggests, it will seem less strange to
>> someone who is accustomed to vim. The reason I use it is because I like
>> to do things from the keyboard (rather than using e.g. a mouse), and for
>> that purpose it is far better than anything else I have tried.
>>
>>> I'm pissed though because it's part of a much larger problem.... this
>>> shit is EVERYWHERE! In
>>
>> But not here. My advice is to have another look at the help pages. If
>> they don't in fact help, ask nicely on this list.
>>
>> --
>> Martin
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 12:30:27 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 05:30:27 +1000
Subject: [Vimperator] Looks like another really good program I can't use
	because it isn't coherently exlplained.
In-Reply-To: <647436bb0810031028o76476770m12881a4eaaee369b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <647436bb0810011842i1dc38824g6a1391c5654419c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<87skrfo8q7.fsf@maxi.net.au>
	<647436bb0810031009s603f4921n6644053af630b833@mail.gmail.com>
	<647436bb0810031028o76476770m12881a4eaaee369b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0810031230x236f195er5222466ed082b284@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 3:28 AM, Doug Thompson <groovecircle at gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, could you please tell me what is meant in the bookmarks help where
> it says: "The following items are interpreted."  I have no clue what
> is meant by "interpreted"

It means that the :bmark command "understands" those options.

E.g.  When entering the following on the command-line the first is
understood while the second is not which results in an error message
being displayed.

:bmark -keyword=abc
:bmark -badoption=abc

> I just have no clue what's interpreting what as what for what..
> Actually better yet, could you maybe just tell me how to get my FF
> bookmarks bar back without having to reopen it every time I open the
> browser? That would solve the whole problem. I like Vim, but I'd
> really love it if I just had quick access to my bookmarks.

Type the following.

:set guioptions+=b

then

:mkvimperatorrc

The first command will restore your bookmarks bar and the second will
write this setting to your user configuration file, called an RC file
and named .vimperatorrc (or _vimperatorrc on Windows), which is stored in
your home directory.  This file is read every time Firefox/Vimperator is
started so that the bookmarks bar setting will always be applied.

See the following for more details for more details. :)

:help 'guioptions'
:help :mkvimperatorrc
:help startup

Regards,
Doug

From mccolingrath at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 11:03:47 2008
From: mccolingrath at gmail.com (Colin McGrath)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:03:47 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Looks like another really good program I can't use
	because it isn't coherently exlplained.
In-Reply-To: <647436bb0810031028o76476770m12881a4eaaee369b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <647436bb0810011842i1dc38824g6a1391c5654419c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<87skrfo8q7.fsf@maxi.net.au>
	<647436bb0810031009s603f4921n6644053af630b833@mail.gmail.com>
	<647436bb0810031028o76476770m12881a4eaaee369b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a4c1b48c0810031103j165909bajf18de5de5aec5290@mail.gmail.com>

When you are using the Vimperator addon in Firefox, you can display the
bookmarks by typing:  :set go=b
("go" is short for guioptions, b stands for bookmarks, (m stands for
menubar, T for toolbar), so to see the menubar, Toolbar and your bookmarks,
you'd type:  :set go=mTb)

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Doug Thompson <groovecircle at gmail.com>wrote:

> OK, could you please tell me what is meant in the bookmarks help where
> it says: "The following items are interpreted."  I have no clue what
> is meant by "interpreted"
>
> I just have no clue what's interpreting what as what for what..
> Actually better yet, could you maybe just tell me how to get my FF
> bookmarks bar back without having to reopen it every time I open the
> browser? That would solve the whole problem. I like Vim, but I'd
> really love it if I just had quick access to my bookmarks.
> Thanx
>
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Doug Thompson <groovecircle at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Sorry about my irate email. I guess what I was frustrated about, to be
> > more clear, is the fact that the instructions were written with no
> > regard for readers who are just average pc users. By that, I mean
> > computer literate enough to browse the net, use basic programs, that
> > sort of thing, but not know term such as used in the vim instructions
> > like "mapping" and "buffers".
> >
> > I don't even know where to look those words up! It's just a pet peeve
> > for me  with software downloads when terms are used and no glossary or
> > explanation of those terms are used for people unfamiliar with them.
> > It seems like some kind of common misconception among people writing
> > manual material for software that everyone using a pc and interested
> > in the software has a full education in computers!  If that's so, it
> > needs to be changed. Writers of software instructions need to include
> > explanations of terms possibly unfamiliar to the average pc user. Why
> > make good software exclusive to people with extensive computer
> > knowledge when a little extra trouble to make the instructions
> > understandable would make it available even to ignoramuses like me?
> >
> > Some good instructions I've stumbled upon have a glossary and each
> > word in the glossary used in the instructions is a link to the
> > corresponding  explanation in the glossary.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Martin Steer <martinsteer at maxi.net.au>
> wrote:
> >> "Doug Thompson" <groovecircle at gmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >>> For the most part, from what  I'v e been able to make out from the
> >>> info on this vimperater thing and it looks like something I could
> >>> really use, ..BUT...
> >>> one of the most important and basic features I need---using links or
> >>> bookmarks to quickly navigate to websites is completely lacking here,
> >>> and I know it's possible with the program...It's bad writing that
> >>> makes no sense and does nothing to help me understand how to select
> >>> and use a bookmark to navigate to a web page.
> >>
> >> Two ways to find the help you need: type ":h bookmarks" to go there
> >> directly, or use F1 (fn-1), which will open the vimperator page. In the
> >> list of topics there is the following entry:
> >>
> >> Marks: Using bookmarks, QuickMarks, history and local marks.
> >>
> >> The "using bookmarks" section is actually about setting them. I'm
> >> guessing that what you're asking about is how to use them once they're
> >> set. There may be better ways, but I just type "o" (= ": open") and then
> >> type something pertinent, relying on completion to pick up the bookmark.
> >>
> >> Typing ":h completion" will give you a little bit of info about that.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> And then there are quicklinks--maybe that's even better, but I'll be
> >>> damned if I know, I can't make any of it work with every crazy
> >>> interpretation I can get out of the gobbledygook directions given!  I
> >>> guess, as excited about this program as I started out being I'm just
> >>> giving up because someone just didn't think it was important to
> >>> explain simple things coherently.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Vimperator is a very good piece of software, which of course has some
> >> eccentricities. As the name suggests, it will seem less strange to
> >> someone who is accustomed to vim. The reason I use it is because I like
> >> to do things from the keyboard (rather than using e.g. a mouse), and for
> >> that purpose it is far better than anything else I have tried.
> >>
> >>> I'm pissed though because it's part of a much larger problem.... this
> >>> shit is EVERYWHERE! In
> >>
> >> But not here. My advice is to have another look at the help pages. If
> >> they don't in fact help, ask nicely on this list.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Martin
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Vimperator mailing list
> >> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> >> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> >>
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>



-- 
Colin
Woody Allen  - "Life doesn't imitate art, it imitates bad television."
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From kenneth at kmiles.co.uk  Fri Oct  3 12:51:45 2008
From: kenneth at kmiles.co.uk (Kenneth Miles)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 20:51:45 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator Digest, Vol 19, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.19.1223060422.44409.vimperator@mozdev.org>
References: <mailman.19.1223060422.44409.vimperator@mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <c16903ea00d393468941e4106feaa4b9.squirrel@kmiles.co.uk>


> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:28:14 -0700
> From: "Doug Thompson" <groovecircle at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Looks like another really good program I
> 	can't use	because it isn't coherently exlplained.
> To: vimperator at mozdev.org
> Message-ID:
> 	<647436bb0810031028o76476770m12881a4eaaee369b at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> OK, could you please tell me what is meant in the bookmarks help where
> it says: "The following items are interpreted."  I have no clue what
> is meant by "interpreted"
>
> I just have no clue what's interpreting what as what for what..
> Actually better yet, could you maybe just tell me how to get my FF
> bookmarks bar back without having to reopen it every time I open the
> browser? That would solve the whole problem. I like Vim, but I'd
> really love it if I just had quick access to my bookmarks.
> Thanx

:set go=b

Regards, Kenneth.


From groovecircle at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 13:35:33 2008
From: groovecircle at gmail.com (Doug Thompson)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:35:33 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] Looks like another really good program I can't use
	because it isn't coherently exlplained.
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0810031230x236f195er5222466ed082b284@mail.gmail.com>
References: <647436bb0810011842i1dc38824g6a1391c5654419c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<87skrfo8q7.fsf@maxi.net.au>
	<647436bb0810031009s603f4921n6644053af630b833@mail.gmail.com>
	<647436bb0810031028o76476770m12881a4eaaee369b@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0810031230x236f195er5222466ed082b284@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <647436bb0810031335yec3a744xf13e257becfb0e32@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you much! I think I can make this thing work for me now. I just
got so confused trying to understand the stuff!  I'm sure a good
course in computers would make it all crystal clear, but everything
I've had to teach myself. Thanx again though for quickly answering my
questions.


On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Doug Kearns <dougkearns at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 3:28 AM, Doug Thompson <groovecircle at gmail.com> wrote:
>> OK, could you please tell me what is meant in the bookmarks help where
>> it says: "The following items are interpreted."  I have no clue what
>> is meant by "interpreted"
>
> It means that the :bmark command "understands" those options.
>
> E.g.  When entering the following on the command-line the first is
> understood while the second is not which results in an error message
> being displayed.
>
> :bmark -keyword=abc
> :bmark -badoption=abc
>
>> I just have no clue what's interpreting what as what for what..
>> Actually better yet, could you maybe just tell me how to get my FF
>> bookmarks bar back without having to reopen it every time I open the
>> browser? That would solve the whole problem. I like Vim, but I'd
>> really love it if I just had quick access to my bookmarks.
>
> Type the following.
>
> :set guioptions+=b
>
> then
>
> :mkvimperatorrc
>
> The first command will restore your bookmarks bar and the second will
> write this setting to your user configuration file, called an RC file
> and named .vimperatorrc (or _vimperatorrc on Windows), which is stored in
> your home directory.  This file is read every time Firefox/Vimperator is
> started so that the bookmarks bar setting will always be applied.
>
> See the following for more details for more details. :)
>
> :help 'guioptions'
> :help :mkvimperatorrc
> :help startup
>
> Regards,
> Doug
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From jacobchappelle at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 13:43:17 2008
From: jacobchappelle at gmail.com (Jacob)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:43:17 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] Looks like another really good program I can't use
	because it isn't coherently exlplained.
In-Reply-To: <647436bb0810031009s603f4921n6644053af630b833@mail.gmail.com>
References: <647436bb0810011842i1dc38824g6a1391c5654419c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<87skrfo8q7.fsf@maxi.net.au>
	<647436bb0810031009s603f4921n6644053af630b833@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3ec81ae0810031343r6e4ff600x5f141b578b2914d4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Doug,


"It seems like some kind of common misconception among people writing manual
material for software that everyone using a pc and interested in the
software has a full education in computers! If that's so, it needs to be
changed. Writers of software instructions need to include explanations of
terms possibly unfamiliar to the average pc user. Why make good software
exclusive to people with extensive computer knowledge when a little extra
trouble to make the instructions understandable would make it available even
to ignoramuses like me?"

Vim is not made for the average PC user, it is made for programmers; people
who have a full education in computers, programming, engineering, and
software development. I would recommend mastering Vim first before diving
head on into Vimperator. It is definitely not for everyone.


Jake


On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Doug Thompson <groovecircle at gmail.com>wrote:

> Sorry about my irate email. I guess what I was frustrated about, to be
> more clear, is the fact that the instructions were written with no
> regard for readers who are just average pc users. By that, I mean
> computer literate enough to browse the net, use basic programs, that
> sort of thing, but not know term such as used in the vim instructions
> like "mapping" and "buffers".
>
> I don't even know where to look those words up! It's just a pet peeve
> for me  with software downloads when terms are used and no glossary or
> explanation of those terms are used for people unfamiliar with them.
> It seems like some kind of common misconception among people writing
> manual material for software that everyone using a pc and interested
> in the software has a full education in computers!  If that's so, it
> needs to be changed. Writers of software instructions need to include
> explanations of terms possibly unfamiliar to the average pc user. Why
> make good software exclusive to people with extensive computer
> knowledge when a little extra trouble to make the instructions
> understandable would make it available even to ignoramuses like me?
>
> Some good instructions I've stumbled upon have a glossary and each
> word in the glossary used in the instructions is a link to the
> corresponding  explanation in the glossary.
>
> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Martin Steer <martinsteer at maxi.net.au>
> wrote:
> > "Doug Thompson" <groovecircle at gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >> For the most part, from what  I'v e been able to make out from the
> >> info on this vimperater thing and it looks like something I could
> >> really use, ..BUT...
> >> one of the most important and basic features I need---using links or
> >> bookmarks to quickly navigate to websites is completely lacking here,
> >> and I know it's possible with the program...It's bad writing that
> >> makes no sense and does nothing to help me understand how to select
> >> and use a bookmark to navigate to a web page.
> >
> > Two ways to find the help you need: type ":h bookmarks" to go there
> > directly, or use F1 (fn-1), which will open the vimperator page. In the
> > list of topics there is the following entry:
> >
> > Marks: Using bookmarks, QuickMarks, history and local marks.
> >
> > The "using bookmarks" section is actually about setting them. I'm
> > guessing that what you're asking about is how to use them once they're
> > set. There may be better ways, but I just type "o" (= ": open") and then
> > type something pertinent, relying on completion to pick up the bookmark.
> >
> > Typing ":h completion" will give you a little bit of info about that.
> >
> >>
> >> And then there are quicklinks--maybe that's even better, but I'll be
> >> damned if I know, I can't make any of it work with every crazy
> >> interpretation I can get out of the gobbledygook directions given!  I
> >> guess, as excited about this program as I started out being I'm just
> >> giving up because someone just didn't think it was important to
> >> explain simple things coherently.
> >>
> >
> > Vimperator is a very good piece of software, which of course has some
> > eccentricities. As the name suggests, it will seem less strange to
> > someone who is accustomed to vim. The reason I use it is because I like
> > to do things from the keyboard (rather than using e.g. a mouse), and for
> > that purpose it is far better than anything else I have tried.
> >
> >> I'm pissed though because it's part of a much larger problem.... this
> >> shit is EVERYWHERE! In
> >
> > But not here. My advice is to have another look at the help pages. If
> > they don't in fact help, ask nicely on this list.
> >
> > --
> > Martin
> > _______________________________________________
> > Vimperator mailing list
> > Vimperator at mozdev.org
> > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
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From stubenschrott at gmx.net  Fri Oct  3 15:09:36 2008
From: stubenschrott at gmx.net (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:09:36 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Looks like another really good program I can't use
 because it isn't coherently exlplained.
In-Reply-To: <3ec81ae0810031343r6e4ff600x5f141b578b2914d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <647436bb0810011842i1dc38824g6a1391c5654419c3@mail.gmail.com>	<87skrfo8q7.fsf@maxi.net.au>	<647436bb0810031009s603f4921n6644053af630b833@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ec81ae0810031343r6e4ff600x5f141b578b2914d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E69820.3000603@gmx.net>

On 2008-10-03 22:43, Jacob wrote:
> Vim is not made for the average PC user, it is made for programmers;
> people who have a full education in computers, programming, engineering,
> and software development. I would recommend mastering Vim first before
> diving head on into Vimperator. It is definitely not for everyone.

Thanks, i couldn't have written it better :) Actually, while not being
as good as vim yet, I think the vimperator documentation is precise and
exactly telling what is going on. For people who have a high degree of
technical understanding any other - not-so-exact - documentation would
be less useful.

That being said, :help tutorial is a nice way to learn the most basic
things in a more non-formal language. We should try to improve this
tutorial so also people without a PhD in computer science can master
vimperator :)

--
Martin

From groovecircle at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 16:59:46 2008
From: groovecircle at gmail.com (Doug Thompson)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:59:46 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] Looks like another really good program I can't use
	because it isn't coherently exlplained.
In-Reply-To: <3ec81ae0810031343r6e4ff600x5f141b578b2914d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <647436bb0810011842i1dc38824g6a1391c5654419c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<87skrfo8q7.fsf@maxi.net.au>
	<647436bb0810031009s603f4921n6644053af630b833@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ec81ae0810031343r6e4ff600x5f141b578b2914d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <647436bb0810031659q665478dbh8a07c71ede1f1e9b@mail.gmail.com>

Well but see, now there, I think your wrong...I mean if you just want
it to be for educated computer users, fine, but I'm not an educated
computer user, but just with the little bit of additional explanation
you were able to give me I am at least enjoying the luxury now of
moving around much easier without all the mouse reaching!

I've tried other mouseless navigation software and they worked like
crap. This works very well though! I'm sure this stuff isn't so hard
to understand, it's just a matter of translating the academia to
layman terms.

As technical as it seems to be though, I doubt I'll use it for
anything other than a way to tell my mouse to piss off, but, you know,
there's a lot to be said 4 that! Especially when the wrist pain sets
in!

Anyway, good job on the program! Try to make it accessible to as many
as possible, cuz it does work great!

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Jacob <jacobchappelle at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Doug,
>
>
> "It seems like some kind of common misconception among people writing manual
> material for software that everyone using a pc and interested in the
> software has a full education in computers! If that's so, it needs to be
> changed. Writers of software instructions need to include explanations of
> terms possibly unfamiliar to the average pc user. Why make good software
> exclusive to people with extensive computer knowledge when a little extra
> trouble to make the instructions understandable would make it available even
> to ignoramuses like me?"
>
> Vim is not made for the average PC user, it is made for programmers; people
> who have a full education in computers, programming, engineering, and
> software development. I would recommend mastering Vim first before diving
> head on into Vimperator. It is definitely not for everyone.
>
>
> Jake
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Doug Thompson <groovecircle at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry about my irate email. I guess what I was frustrated about, to be
>> more clear, is the fact that the instructions were written with no
>> regard for readers who are just average pc users. By that, I mean
>> computer literate enough to browse the net, use basic programs, that
>> sort of thing, but not know term such as used in the vim instructions
>> like "mapping" and "buffers".
>>
>> I don't even know where to look those words up! It's just a pet peeve
>> for me  with software downloads when terms are used and no glossary or
>> explanation of those terms are used for people unfamiliar with them.
>> It seems like some kind of common misconception among people writing
>> manual material for software that everyone using a pc and interested
>> in the software has a full education in computers!  If that's so, it
>> needs to be changed. Writers of software instructions need to include
>> explanations of terms possibly unfamiliar to the average pc user. Why
>> make good software exclusive to people with extensive computer
>> knowledge when a little extra trouble to make the instructions
>> understandable would make it available even to ignoramuses like me?
>>
>> Some good instructions I've stumbled upon have a glossary and each
>> word in the glossary used in the instructions is a link to the
>> corresponding  explanation in the glossary.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Martin Steer <martinsteer at maxi.net.au>
>> wrote:
>> > "Doug Thompson" <groovecircle at gmail.com> writes:
>> >
>> >> For the most part, from what  I'v e been able to make out from the
>> >> info on this vimperater thing and it looks like something I could
>> >> really use, ..BUT...
>> >> one of the most important and basic features I need---using links or
>> >> bookmarks to quickly navigate to websites is completely lacking here,
>> >> and I know it's possible with the program...It's bad writing that
>> >> makes no sense and does nothing to help me understand how to select
>> >> and use a bookmark to navigate to a web page.
>> >
>> > Two ways to find the help you need: type ":h bookmarks" to go there
>> > directly, or use F1 (fn-1), which will open the vimperator page. In the
>> > list of topics there is the following entry:
>> >
>> > Marks: Using bookmarks, QuickMarks, history and local marks.
>> >
>> > The "using bookmarks" section is actually about setting them. I'm
>> > guessing that what you're asking about is how to use them once they're
>> > set. There may be better ways, but I just type "o" (= ": open") and then
>> > type something pertinent, relying on completion to pick up the bookmark.
>> >
>> > Typing ":h completion" will give you a little bit of info about that.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> And then there are quicklinks--maybe that's even better, but I'll be
>> >> damned if I know, I can't make any of it work with every crazy
>> >> interpretation I can get out of the gobbledygook directions given!  I
>> >> guess, as excited about this program as I started out being I'm just
>> >> giving up because someone just didn't think it was important to
>> >> explain simple things coherently.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Vimperator is a very good piece of software, which of course has some
>> > eccentricities. As the name suggests, it will seem less strange to
>> > someone who is accustomed to vim. The reason I use it is because I like
>> > to do things from the keyboard (rather than using e.g. a mouse), and for
>> > that purpose it is far better than anything else I have tried.
>> >
>> >> I'm pissed though because it's part of a much larger problem.... this
>> >> shit is EVERYWHERE! In
>> >
>> > But not here. My advice is to have another look at the help pages. If
>> > they don't in fact help, ask nicely on this list.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Martin
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Vimperator mailing list
>> > Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>

From eyolf at oestrem.com  Fri Oct  3 17:40:57 2008
From: eyolf at oestrem.com (Eyolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8strem?=)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 02:40:57 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Looks like another really good program I can't	use
	because it isn't coherently exlplained.
In-Reply-To: <647436bb0810031659q665478dbh8a07c71ede1f1e9b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <647436bb0810011842i1dc38824g6a1391c5654419c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<87skrfo8q7.fsf@maxi.net.au>
	<647436bb0810031009s603f4921n6644053af630b833@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ec81ae0810031343r6e4ff600x5f141b578b2914d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<647436bb0810031659q665478dbh8a07c71ede1f1e9b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081004004057.GA27510@eyo>

On 03.10.2008 (16:59), Doug Thompson wrote:
> Well but see, now there, I think your wrong...I mean if you just want
> it to be for educated computer users, fine, but I'm not an educated
> computer user, but just with the little bit of additional explanation
> you were able to give me I am at least enjoying the luxury now of
> moving around much easier without all the mouse reaching!

I'm sure you're right -- to a certain point. There are two kinds of
"expert" documentation for (potentially) complicated software. One is the
kind where the developers say, "this is very complicated, and if you're not
up to that, we don't want you around" (the awesome window manager comes to
mind, where it is explicitly stated (using slightly different words) that
"if you're so stupid you don't know how to program in Lua, you might as
well go hang yourself, or at least stay away from our very exclusive
program"). Vimperator, on the other hand, is very well documented. Sure,
it's a complex piece of software with loads of functionality which may be
beyond what most people will need, but it's there for you if you want it,
and the descriptions of the various features are precise and comprehensive
(albeit concise). Spend 20 minutes on the help files, and you will not only
be able to use the program more efficiently, you will also have learned
something that will benefit you next time around. Sure, it is written in a
certain style, but it IS accessible and helpful even to people without a
degree in computer science, only some patience and comprehension. 

For the record, my degree is in musicology, not in CS. :)

Eyolf
> 
> I've tried other mouseless navigation software and they worked like crap.
> This works very well though! I'm sure this stuff isn't so hard to
> understand, it's just a matter of translating the academia to layman
> terms.
> 
> As technical as it seems to be though, I doubt I'll use it for anything
> other than a way to tell my mouse to piss off, but, you know, there's a
> lot to be said 4 that! Especially when the wrist pain sets in!
> 
> Anyway, good job on the program! Try to make it accessible to as many as
> possible, cuz it does work great!
> 
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Jacob <jacobchappelle at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Doug,
> >
> >
> > "It seems like some kind of common misconception among people writing
> > manual material for software that everyone using a pc and interested in
> > the software has a full education in computers! If that's so, it needs
> > to be changed. Writers of software instructions need to include
> > explanations of terms possibly unfamiliar to the average pc user. Why
> > make good software exclusive to people with extensive computer
> > knowledge when a little extra trouble to make the instructions
> > understandable would make it available even to ignoramuses like me?"
> >
> > Vim is not made for the average PC user, it is made for programmers;
> > people who have a full education in computers, programming,
> > engineering, and software development. I would recommend mastering Vim
> > first before diving head on into Vimperator. It is definitely not for
> > everyone.
> >
> >
> > Jake
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Doug Thompson <groovecircle at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Sorry about my irate email. I guess what I was frustrated about, to be
> >> more clear, is the fact that the instructions were written with no
> >> regard for readers who are just average pc users. By that, I mean
> >> computer literate enough to browse the net, use basic programs, that
> >> sort of thing, but not know term such as used in the vim instructions
> >> like "mapping" and "buffers".
> >>
> >> I don't even know where to look those words up! It's just a pet peeve
> >> for me  with software downloads when terms are used and no glossary or
> >> explanation of those terms are used for people unfamiliar with them.
> >> It seems like some kind of common misconception among people writing
> >> manual material for software that everyone using a pc and interested
> >> in the software has a full education in computers!  If that's so, it
> >> needs to be changed. Writers of software instructions need to include
> >> explanations of terms possibly unfamiliar to the average pc user. Why
> >> make good software exclusive to people with extensive computer
> >> knowledge when a little extra trouble to make the instructions
> >> understandable would make it available even to ignoramuses like me?
> >>
> >> Some good instructions I've stumbled upon have a glossary and each
> >> word in the glossary used in the instructions is a link to the
> >> corresponding  explanation in the glossary.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Martin Steer
> >> <martinsteer at maxi.net.au> wrote:
> >> > "Doug Thompson" <groovecircle at gmail.com> writes:
> >> >
> >> >> For the most part, from what  I'v e been able to make out from the
> >> >> info on this vimperater thing and it looks like something I could
> >> >> really use, ..BUT...  one of the most important and basic features
> >> >> I need---using links or bookmarks to quickly navigate to websites
> >> >> is completely lacking here, and I know it's possible with the
> >> >> program...It's bad writing that makes no sense and does nothing to
> >> >> help me understand how to select and use a bookmark to navigate to
> >> >> a web page.
> >> >
> >> > Two ways to find the help you need: type ":h bookmarks" to go there
> >> > directly, or use F1 (fn-1), which will open the vimperator page. In
> >> > the list of topics there is the following entry:
> >> >
> >> > Marks: Using bookmarks, QuickMarks, history and local marks.
> >> >
> >> > The "using bookmarks" section is actually about setting them. I'm
> >> > guessing that what you're asking about is how to use them once
> >> > they're set. There may be better ways, but I just type "o" (= ":
> >> > open") and then type something pertinent, relying on completion to
> >> > pick up the bookmark.
> >> >
> >> > Typing ":h completion" will give you a little bit of info about
> >> > that.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> And then there are quicklinks--maybe that's even better, but I'll
> >> >> be damned if I know, I can't make any of it work with every crazy
> >> >> interpretation I can get out of the gobbledygook directions given!
> >> >> I guess, as excited about this program as I started out being I'm
> >> >> just giving up because someone just didn't think it was important
> >> >> to explain simple things coherently.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Vimperator is a very good piece of software, which of course has
> >> > some eccentricities. As the name suggests, it will seem less strange
> >> > to someone who is accustomed to vim. The reason I use it is because
> >> > I like to do things from the keyboard (rather than using e.g. a
> >> > mouse), and for that purpose it is far better than anything else I
> >> > have tried.
> >> >
> >> >> I'm pissed though because it's part of a much larger problem....
> >> >> this shit is EVERYWHERE! In
> >> >
> >> > But not here. My advice is to have another look at the help pages.
> >> > If they don't in fact help, ask nicely on this list.
> >> >
> >> > -- Martin _______________________________________________ Vimperator
> >> > mailing list Vimperator at mozdev.org
> >> > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________ Vimperator mailing
> >> list Vimperator at mozdev.org
> >> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________ Vimperator mailing list
> > Vimperator at mozdev.org
> > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________ Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> 

-- My doctorate's in Literature, but it seems like a pretty good pulse to
me.

From groovecircle at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 19:15:08 2008
From: groovecircle at gmail.com (Doug Thompson)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:15:08 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] Looks like another really good program I can't use
	because it isn't coherently exlplained.
In-Reply-To: <20081004004057.GA27510@eyo>
References: <647436bb0810011842i1dc38824g6a1391c5654419c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<87skrfo8q7.fsf@maxi.net.au>
	<647436bb0810031009s603f4921n6644053af630b833@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ec81ae0810031343r6e4ff600x5f141b578b2914d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<647436bb0810031659q665478dbh8a07c71ede1f1e9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081004004057.GA27510@eyo>
Message-ID: <647436bb0810031915o64aa8825u2ae2b941dfe98ee@mail.gmail.com>

Trust me, if 20 minutes on the help files was all I needed we wouldn't
be having this conversation. It wasn't not reading, it was not
understanding words that are not familiar to me because I don't have a
computer degree words which, however could easily be included in a
glossary of terms. Probably if I had that I would have figured most of
this stuff out with just my high school education!

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Eyolf ?strem <eyolf at oestrem.com> wrote:
> On 03.10.2008 (16:59), Doug Thompson wrote:
>> Well but see, now there, I think your wrong...I mean if you just want
>> it to be for educated computer users, fine, but I'm not an educated
>> computer user, but just with the little bit of additional explanation
>> you were able to give me I am at least enjoying the luxury now of
>> moving around much easier without all the mouse reaching!
>
> I'm sure you're right -- to a certain point. There are two kinds of
> "expert" documentation for (potentially) complicated software. One is the
> kind where the developers say, "this is very complicated, and if you're not
> up to that, we don't want you around" (the awesome window manager comes to
> mind, where it is explicitly stated (using slightly different words) that
> "if you're so stupid you don't know how to program in Lua, you might as
> well go hang yourself, or at least stay away from our very exclusive
> program"). Vimperator, on the other hand, is very well documented. Sure,
> it's a complex piece of software with loads of functionality which may be
> beyond what most people will need, but it's there for you if you want it,
> and the descriptions of the various features are precise and comprehensive
> (albeit concise). Spend 20 minutes on the help files, and you will not only
> be able to use the program more efficiently, you will also have learned
> something that will benefit you next time around. Sure, it is written in a
> certain style, but it IS accessible and helpful even to people without a
> degree in computer science, only some patience and comprehension.
>
> For the record, my degree is in musicology, not in CS. :)
>
> Eyolf
>>
>> I've tried other mouseless navigation software and they worked like crap.
>> This works very well though! I'm sure this stuff isn't so hard to
>> understand, it's just a matter of translating the academia to layman
>> terms.
>>
>> As technical as it seems to be though, I doubt I'll use it for anything
>> other than a way to tell my mouse to piss off, but, you know, there's a
>> lot to be said 4 that! Especially when the wrist pain sets in!
>>
>> Anyway, good job on the program! Try to make it accessible to as many as
>> possible, cuz it does work great!
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Jacob <jacobchappelle at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Doug,
>> >
>> >
>> > "It seems like some kind of common misconception among people writing
>> > manual material for software that everyone using a pc and interested in
>> > the software has a full education in computers! If that's so, it needs
>> > to be changed. Writers of software instructions need to include
>> > explanations of terms possibly unfamiliar to the average pc user. Why
>> > make good software exclusive to people with extensive computer
>> > knowledge when a little extra trouble to make the instructions
>> > understandable would make it available even to ignoramuses like me?"
>> >
>> > Vim is not made for the average PC user, it is made for programmers;
>> > people who have a full education in computers, programming,
>> > engineering, and software development. I would recommend mastering Vim
>> > first before diving head on into Vimperator. It is definitely not for
>> > everyone.
>> >
>> >
>> > Jake
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Doug Thompson <groovecircle at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Sorry about my irate email. I guess what I was frustrated about, to be
>> >> more clear, is the fact that the instructions were written with no
>> >> regard for readers who are just average pc users. By that, I mean
>> >> computer literate enough to browse the net, use basic programs, that
>> >> sort of thing, but not know term such as used in the vim instructions
>> >> like "mapping" and "buffers".
>> >>
>> >> I don't even know where to look those words up! It's just a pet peeve
>> >> for me  with software downloads when terms are used and no glossary or
>> >> explanation of those terms are used for people unfamiliar with them.
>> >> It seems like some kind of common misconception among people writing
>> >> manual material for software that everyone using a pc and interested
>> >> in the software has a full education in computers!  If that's so, it
>> >> needs to be changed. Writers of software instructions need to include
>> >> explanations of terms possibly unfamiliar to the average pc user. Why
>> >> make good software exclusive to people with extensive computer
>> >> knowledge when a little extra trouble to make the instructions
>> >> understandable would make it available even to ignoramuses like me?
>> >>
>> >> Some good instructions I've stumbled upon have a glossary and each
>> >> word in the glossary used in the instructions is a link to the
>> >> corresponding  explanation in the glossary.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Martin Steer
>> >> <martinsteer at maxi.net.au> wrote:
>> >> > "Doug Thompson" <groovecircle at gmail.com> writes:
>> >> >
>> >> >> For the most part, from what  I'v e been able to make out from the
>> >> >> info on this vimperater thing and it looks like something I could
>> >> >> really use, ..BUT...  one of the most important and basic features
>> >> >> I need---using links or bookmarks to quickly navigate to websites
>> >> >> is completely lacking here, and I know it's possible with the
>> >> >> program...It's bad writing that makes no sense and does nothing to
>> >> >> help me understand how to select and use a bookmark to navigate to
>> >> >> a web page.
>> >> >
>> >> > Two ways to find the help you need: type ":h bookmarks" to go there
>> >> > directly, or use F1 (fn-1), which will open the vimperator page. In
>> >> > the list of topics there is the following entry:
>> >> >
>> >> > Marks: Using bookmarks, QuickMarks, history and local marks.
>> >> >
>> >> > The "using bookmarks" section is actually about setting them. I'm
>> >> > guessing that what you're asking about is how to use them once
>> >> > they're set. There may be better ways, but I just type "o" (= ":
>> >> > open") and then type something pertinent, relying on completion to
>> >> > pick up the bookmark.
>> >> >
>> >> > Typing ":h completion" will give you a little bit of info about
>> >> > that.
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And then there are quicklinks--maybe that's even better, but I'll
>> >> >> be damned if I know, I can't make any of it work with every crazy
>> >> >> interpretation I can get out of the gobbledygook directions given!
>> >> >> I guess, as excited about this program as I started out being I'm
>> >> >> just giving up because someone just didn't think it was important
>> >> >> to explain simple things coherently.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Vimperator is a very good piece of software, which of course has
>> >> > some eccentricities. As the name suggests, it will seem less strange
>> >> > to someone who is accustomed to vim. The reason I use it is because
>> >> > I like to do things from the keyboard (rather than using e.g. a
>> >> > mouse), and for that purpose it is far better than anything else I
>> >> > have tried.
>> >> >
>> >> >> I'm pissed though because it's part of a much larger problem....
>> >> >> this shit is EVERYWHERE! In
>> >> >
>> >> > But not here. My advice is to have another look at the help pages.
>> >> > If they don't in fact help, ask nicely on this list.
>> >> >
>> >> > -- Martin _______________________________________________ Vimperator
>> >> > mailing list Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> >> > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>> >> >
>> >> _______________________________________________ Vimperator mailing
>> >> list Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> >> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________ Vimperator mailing list
>> > Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________ Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>
> -- My doctorate's in Literature, but it seems like a pretty good pulse to
> me.
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From schlachthausfunf at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 21:33:48 2008
From: schlachthausfunf at gmail.com (Jan Snyder)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 00:33:48 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] vim
Message-ID: <ff6a3a910810032133o41cdf8c5p5f43c789af13a7a8@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:15 PM,  <vimperator-request at mozdev.org> wrote:
>> Vim is not made for the average PC user, it is made for programmers;
>> people who have a full education in computers, programming, engineering,
>> and software development. I would recommend mastering Vim first before
>> diving head on into Vimperator. It is definitely not for everyone.
>
> Thanks, i couldn't have written it better :) Actually, while not being
> as good as vim yet, I think the vimperator documentation is precise and
> exactly telling what is going on. For people who have a high degree of
> technical understanding any other - not-so-exact - documentation would
> be less useful.
>
> That being said, :help tutorial is a nice way to learn the most basic
> things in a more non-formal language. We should try to improve this
> tutorial so also people without a PhD in computer science can master
> vimperator :)
>
> --
> Martin
>

Vim isn't so hard. As you say, just go through vim tutorial and it's
fairly straight forward to pick up.  It's just one of those things you
have to read about before using and modify with an "rc" config file.
Of course if you don't use a config file it will be fairly unusable
out of the box.  I find most quality programs have an rc file. In
Linux I have them all in one folder called backup with symlinks to
them in other folders, so to back them up I just copy the backup
folder with it's symlinks and put it into a archive and then mail it
to my gmail account. That way if my linux gets messed up or I upgrade
my config settings are safe.

-Jan

From dpb at driftaway.org  Fri Oct  3 23:14:55 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:14:55 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] :help completion funniness
In-Reply-To: <48E61205.3010508@tedpavlic.com>
References: <48E61205.3010508@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230810032314l25409038rc33d72362f48042d@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/3 Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>:
> I'm running vimperator built from the changesets stored at the Mercurial
> clone of the main source repo. This problem seemed to start after a batch of
> changesets a little while ago, but I haven't isolated a particular changeset
> that's the source of the problem.
>
> In my .vimperatorrc, I have:
>
> :set wildoptions=auto
> :set cpt=l
>
> which causes my "open" commands to complete like Firefox's URL bar does.
>  However, the "wildoptions=auto" seems to make my ":help" completions do
> really funny things. For example, I tried to type
>
>        :help editor
>
> but it printed on the command line as
>
>        :help edittotor
>
> If I type (not even that quickly):
>
>        :help e(space)
>
> where that (space) is a space, I get things like (these are actual
> examples):
>
>        :help   e
>        :help ee
>        :help  e e(space)
>
> etc.
>
>        I only see this problem with help completion. My URL completion seems
> to work fine.
>
>        Thoughts?
>        --Ted

This seems to be a Mac OS X issue only, I've been having it too. Works
fine with Linux though and I have no idea why it does it.

--
Daniel

From dpb at driftaway.org  Fri Oct  3 23:27:18 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:27:18 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Looks like another really good program I can't use
	because it isn't coherently exlplained.
In-Reply-To: <48E69820.3000603@gmx.net>
References: <647436bb0810011842i1dc38824g6a1391c5654419c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<87skrfo8q7.fsf@maxi.net.au>
	<647436bb0810031009s603f4921n6644053af630b833@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ec81ae0810031343r6e4ff600x5f141b578b2914d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<48E69820.3000603@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <dd9711230810032327h1cd55be1vd4fe4145f801474b@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/4 Martin Stubenschrott <stubenschrott at gmx.net>:
> That being said, :help tutorial is a nice way to learn the most basic
> things in a more non-formal language. We should try to improve this
> tutorial so also people without a PhD in computer science can master
> vimperator :)

Oh come on.. I haven't studied computer science and still I get it
all. I've just self-taught everything myself. ;) (Well, ok, my company
"trained" me for 6 months to be a professional linux developer, but I
didn't learn *that* much new stuff there... <.<)

--
Daniel

From stubenschrott at gmx.net  Sat Oct  4 02:08:14 2008
From: stubenschrott at gmx.net (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 11:08:14 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Looks like another really good program I can't use
 because it isn't coherently exlplained.
In-Reply-To: <647436bb0810031915o64aa8825u2ae2b941dfe98ee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <647436bb0810011842i1dc38824g6a1391c5654419c3@mail.gmail.com>	<87skrfo8q7.fsf@maxi.net.au>	<647436bb0810031009s603f4921n6644053af630b833@mail.gmail.com>	<3ec81ae0810031343r6e4ff600x5f141b578b2914d4@mail.gmail.com>	<647436bb0810031659q665478dbh8a07c71ede1f1e9b@mail.gmail.com>	<20081004004057.GA27510@eyo>
	<647436bb0810031915o64aa8825u2ae2b941dfe98ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48E7327E.10603@gmx.net>

On 2008-10-04 04:15, Doug Thompson wrote:

> Trust me, if 20 minutes on the help files was all I needed we wouldn't
> be having this conversation. It wasn't not reading, it was not
> understanding words that are not familiar to me because I don't have a
> computer degree words which, however could easily be included in a
> glossary of terms. Probably if I had that I would have figured most of
> this stuff out with just my high school education!

Can you give examples of the documentation or special words which were
especially hard for you to understand? It's not that we don't want to
improve the docs when it's written badly (badly doesn't mean technical
though).

--
Martin

From martinsteer at maxi.net.au  Sat Oct  4 03:35:06 2008
From: martinsteer at maxi.net.au (Martin Steer)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:35:06 +1000
Subject: [Vimperator] Looks like another really good program I can't use
	because it isn't coherently exlplained.
In-Reply-To: <3ec81ae0810031343r6e4ff600x5f141b578b2914d4@mail.gmail.com>
	(Jacob's message of "Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:43:17 -0700")
References: <647436bb0810011842i1dc38824g6a1391c5654419c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<87skrfo8q7.fsf@maxi.net.au>
	<647436bb0810031009s603f4921n6644053af630b833@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ec81ae0810031343r6e4ff600x5f141b578b2914d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87vdw8a0iv.fsf@maxi.net.au>

Jacob <jacobchappelle at gmail.com> writes:

>
> "It seems like some kind of common misconception among people writing
> manual material for software that everyone using a pc and interested
> in the software has a full education in computers! If that's so, it
> needs to be changed. Writers of software instructions need to include
> explanations of terms possibly unfamiliar to the average pc user. Why
> make good software exclusive to people with extensive computer
> knowledge when a little extra trouble to make the instructions
> understandable would make it available even to ignoramuses like me?"
>
> Vim is not made for the average PC user, it is made for programmers;
> people who have a full education in computers, programming,
> engineering, and software development. I would recommend mastering Vim
> first before diving head on into Vimperator. It is definitely not for
> everyone.
>

Well, I would say that vim is far harder to come to terms with than
vimperator. It was vimperator that led me to give vim another try.

In terms of the dominant GUI paradigm, vimperator is peculiar, so yes,
not for everyone. But a web browser's still a web browser. The way to
learn it is to use it. No technical education required, just
persistence.

--
Martin

From groovecircle at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 07:51:04 2008
From: groovecircle at gmail.com (Doug Thompson)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:51:04 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] Looks like another really good program I can't use
	because it isn't coherently exlplained.
In-Reply-To: <48E7327E.10603@gmx.net>
References: <647436bb0810011842i1dc38824g6a1391c5654419c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<87skrfo8q7.fsf@maxi.net.au>
	<647436bb0810031009s603f4921n6644053af630b833@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ec81ae0810031343r6e4ff600x5f141b578b2914d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<647436bb0810031659q665478dbh8a07c71ede1f1e9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081004004057.GA27510@eyo>
	<647436bb0810031915o64aa8825u2ae2b941dfe98ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<48E7327E.10603@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <647436bb0810040751g2c1ba3e5y3be8ee8f063e1953@mail.gmail.com>

I understand where using technical language can be the only way to
explain something  precisely, but a glossary of terms can definitely
go a long way toward helping those less fortunate in the education
dept, The words that come to mind off the bat that I didn't understand
were, "buffers", "mappings"  and it seems like some things were just
stated  in a technical way that was hard to understand.  I'm sure any
word that's definition is too computer specific to likely be found in
the dictionary would be a good one to include in a glossary.

I'm only using vim for what I assume it's chief purpose is--as a
system of mouseless navigation. I'm interested in what other uses it
has as well. Is there any online documentation or tutorials you know
of that might help me understand it better? I know it's somewhat
complicated, but what I've learned so far has been serving me well!
Definitely beats the crap out of other mousless nav programs I've
used. One seemed to always put numbers on every element on the screen
except the one I wanted to sellect! Drove me nuts! I gave up on it
after that till I found vim.

On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 2:08 AM, Martin Stubenschrott
<stubenschrott at gmx.net> wrote:
> On 2008-10-04 04:15, Doug Thompson wrote:
>
>> Trust me, if 20 minutes on the help files was all I needed we wouldn't
>> be having this conversation. It wasn't not reading, it was not
>> understanding words that are not familiar to me because I don't have a
>> computer degree words which, however could easily be included in a
>> glossary of terms. Probably if I had that I would have figured most of
>> this stuff out with just my high school education!
>
> Can you give examples of the documentation or special words which were
> especially hard for you to understand? It's not that we don't want to
> improve the docs when it's written badly (badly doesn't mean technical
> though).
>
> --
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 08:58:57 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 01:58:57 +1000
Subject: [Vimperator] Looks like another really good program I can't use
	because it isn't coherently exlplained.
In-Reply-To: <647436bb0810040751g2c1ba3e5y3be8ee8f063e1953@mail.gmail.com>
References: <647436bb0810011842i1dc38824g6a1391c5654419c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<87skrfo8q7.fsf@maxi.net.au>
	<647436bb0810031009s603f4921n6644053af630b833@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ec81ae0810031343r6e4ff600x5f141b578b2914d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<647436bb0810031659q665478dbh8a07c71ede1f1e9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081004004057.GA27510@eyo>
	<647436bb0810031915o64aa8825u2ae2b941dfe98ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<48E7327E.10603@gmx.net>
	<647436bb0810040751g2c1ba3e5y3be8ee8f063e1953@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0810040858g5b1a625erb9a570494a331be@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Doug Thompson <groovecircle at gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

> I'm only using vim for what I assume it's chief purpose is--as a
> system of mouseless navigation.

I may be misunderstanding you but your last couple of messages seem to
suggest that you're not aware of the difference between Vim the text
editor and Vimperator the Firefox extension.

Vim (http://www.vim.org/) is a text editor.  One of the "Big Two" in
Geekdom, the other being Emacs (http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/).

Vimperator, what you're using here, is a Firefox extension _heavily_
inspired by Vim and it's user interface.  As such it should be easy to
pick up if you are a Vim user (the target audience) but if not I imagine
it would be quite difficult.

<snip>

Regards,
Doug

From jim at jimrandomh.org  Sun Oct  5 12:45:21 2008
From: jim at jimrandomh.org (Jim Babcock)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:45:21 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, and Ctrl+Z
Message-ID: <186902680810051245t294a6887hdf1d5db29bf7da87@mail.gmail.com>

Right now, vimperator remaps both Ctrl+C (from 'copy' to 'cancel') and
Ctrl+V (from 'paste' to 'pass-through'). On Linux, the preferred
method of copy/paste is with the middle mouse button, so this is not a
problem. On Windows, this is a user-interface disaster and it badly
needs to be fixed.

There are three places you might copy from: text from a Web page, text
from a form field, and text from an external application. There are
two places you might copy to: into a form field, and into an external
application. The address and command bars work like form fields.
 Copying from...
    A web page: 'Y' works, '^C' doesn't
    Form field: 'Y' doesn't work, '^C' does
    Extern application: 'Y' doesn't work, '^C' does
 Copying to...
    Form field: '^V' doesn't work, '^V,^V' does
    External application: '^V' works, '^V,^V' pastes twice
Or, seen another way
      Copy  Paste
Page  Y     N/A
Form  ^C    ^V,^V
App   ^C    ^V
Ordinary users won't memorize that table. They'll never figure it out,
because it's not documented explicitly, and they wouldn't read it even
if it was. Instead, they'll use the right-click menu, the only thing
that works everywhere. In fact, a few weeks after I started using
Vimperator, I caught myself doing just that, in a completely unrelated
application, something I had never done before.

We need to restore ^C and ^V to their original, rightful functions as
copy and paste, which means displacing the ^C=cancel and
^V=pass-through hotkeys. In fact, both of these hotkeys are unique to
vimperator and do not appear in vim. ^V means 'block visual' in vim,
which doesn't apply in vimperator, so pass-through can be easily
assigned to some other key. I suggest backslash in command mode and
ctrl+backslash in both command and insert modes. That leaves ^C. I
think that should be moved to ^S. This has two good mnemonics: it's
'stop', and it's also the Unix hotkey for XOFF, which is useless but
semantically similar. ^S is currently "save page as" in vimperator,
which is rarely used and can still be accessed with :save or :saveas.

Undo is also broken; it was ^Z, but ^Z is not pass-through mode and
there's no way to undo edits in a form field without using the mouse.
I see no reason not to move that to another hotkey, especially since
^Z in vim means suspend, which is completely unrelated, and
unexpectedly finding yourself in pass-through mode is extremely
disorienting. I can't think of a non-arbitrary hotkey to change this
to, but ^Z was pretty arbitrary in the first place, so any unused
hotkey will do.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Oct  6 05:35:11 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:35:11 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] :help completion funniness
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230810032314l25409038rc33d72362f48042d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48E61205.3010508@tedpavlic.com>
	<dd9711230810032314l25409038rc33d72362f48042d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48EA05FF.2080201@tedpavlic.com>

> This seems to be a Mac OS X issue only, I've been having it too. Works
> fine with Linux though and I have no idea why it does it.

Hm. I'm running a pretty slow Mac (1.67 GHz Powerbook G4 with OS X 
10.4). Do you think that might have anything to do with it? I have a 
feeling it does *not* because I seem to get the problem regardless of 
how fast I type.

I'm *sure* that this problem was introduced *recently*. I guess I just 
need to go back through all the changesets until I can find the one that 
did it. :(

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Oct  6 05:36:51 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:36:51 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Fast copying of link location?
Message-ID: <48EA0663.80702@tedpavlic.com>

Right now I can hit "f" (or "F") and type in a link that I want to *GO 
TO* on a page.

It would be nice if I could do the same for a link that I wanted to 
*COPY*. That is, I still have to use my mouse to right-click on a link 
and go to "Copy Link Location."

Does Vimperator currently have the ability to access "Copy Link 
Location" similar to how it does fast links?

(I'd comb through the help documentation, but as discussed in a previous 
thread, ":help" doesn't work on a Mac with vimperator)

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Oct  6 05:38:30 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:38:30 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Fast copying of link location?
In-Reply-To: <48EA0663.80702@tedpavlic.com>
References: <48EA0663.80702@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <48EA06C6.5020107@tedpavlic.com>

Nevermind... I found it now. By typing ":help f" very very slowly (to 
prevent the Vimperator-OSX bug), I was able to find what I needed.

;y

Thanks --
Ted

Ted Pavlic wrote:
> Right now I can hit "f" (or "F") and type in a link that I want to *GO 
> TO* on a page.
> 
> It would be nice if I could do the same for a link that I wanted to 
> *COPY*. That is, I still have to use my mouse to right-click on a link 
> and go to "Copy Link Location."
> 
> Does Vimperator currently have the ability to access "Copy Link 
> Location" similar to how it does fast links?
> 
> (I'd comb through the help documentation, but as discussed in a previous 
> thread, ":help" doesn't work on a Mac with vimperator)
> 
> --Ted
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From dpb at driftaway.org  Mon Oct  6 07:34:40 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:34:40 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] :help completion funniness
In-Reply-To: <48EA05FF.2080201@tedpavlic.com>
References: <48E61205.3010508@tedpavlic.com>
	<dd9711230810032314l25409038rc33d72362f48042d@mail.gmail.com>
	<48EA05FF.2080201@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230810060734g643d106ena6dec435f8565dc2@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/6 Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>:
>> This seems to be a Mac OS X issue only, I've been having it too. Works
>> fine with Linux though and I have no idea why it does it.
>
> Hm. I'm running a pretty slow Mac (1.67 GHz Powerbook G4 with OS X 10.4). Do
> you think that might have anything to do with it? I have a feeling it does
> *not* because I seem to get the problem regardless of how fast I type.

No, that shouldn't be it. I have an intel Macbook from a year ago and
I get it too.

> I'm *sure* that this problem was introduced *recently*. I guess I just need
> to go back through all the changesets until I can find the one that did it.
> :(

I've had it for quite a while already...

--
Daniel

From teramako at gmail.com  Mon Oct  6 09:55:01 2008
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:55:01 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] Makefile.common is wrong
Message-ID: <6eebba490810060955q221cf476k1bf5057551605b6e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

In resend days, src/content/buffer.xhtml was added.
But Makefile.common is not modefied.

here is a patch.

--
Index: Makefile.common
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/vimperator/src/Makefile.common,v
retrieving revision 1.6
diff -u -r1.6 Makefile.common
--- Makefile.common	14 Sep 2008 07:54:16 -0000	1.6
+++ Makefile.common	6 Oct 2008 16:50:33 -0000
@@ -16,6 +16,7 @@
 			     -o -path '*.css'	\
 			     -o -path '*.xul'	\
 			     -o -path '*.html'	\
+			     -o -path '*.xhtml'	\
 			   \)			\
 		}
 JAR_DIRS      = $(foreach f,${JAR_FILES},$(dir $f))


-- 
teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Oct  6 12:15:38 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:15:38 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] "Added :sty chrome to style" (changeset 530c13cc1ade)
	breaks Firefox
Message-ID: <48EA63DA.4070801@tedpavlic.com>

I've been pulling down the Mercurial clone of the Vimperator mirror. 
Today I grabbed a batch of changes from the last few days, and these 
changes broke Firefox on both Windows and OS X. Firefox starts and seems 
to get "stuck" before it executes the .vimperatorrc file. I can *type* 
at the command line, but it never registers my <return> keypress.

I rolled things back until things started working, and I found that the 
offending changeset was:

=====
2008-10-06  maglione  <maglione>

         * src/chrome.manifest, src/content/bookmarks.js,
         src/content/buffer.js, src/content/liberator.js,
         src/content/muttator.xul, src/content/muttatorcompose.xul,
         src/content/tabs.js, src/content/ui.js, src/content/util.js,
         src/content/vimperator.xul:
         Added :sty chrome to style the main window, moved a bunch of inline
         styles to CSS, fixed some completion bugs, removed
         util.blankDocument
         [530c13cc1ade]
=====

Has anyone else noticed that Vimperator ceases to start up after this "fix"?

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From stubenschrott at gmx.net  Mon Oct  6 14:29:37 2008
From: stubenschrott at gmx.net (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:29:37 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Makefile.common is wrong
In-Reply-To: <6eebba490810060955q221cf476k1bf5057551605b6e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6eebba490810060955q221cf476k1bf5057551605b6e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48EA8341.7070605@gmx.net>

Thanks, applied.

@Ted: if you read this, does that fix your build? (you'll probably have
to wait till tomorrow for it to show up in the nightlies)


On 2008-10-06 18:55, M.Terada wrote:

> Hi
> 
> In resend days, src/content/buffer.xhtml was added.
> But Makefile.common is not modefied.
> 
> here is a patch.
> 
> --
> Index: Makefile.common
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /cvs/vimperator/src/Makefile.common,v
> retrieving revision 1.6
> diff -u -r1.6 Makefile.common
> --- Makefile.common	14 Sep 2008 07:54:16 -0000	1.6
> +++ Makefile.common	6 Oct 2008 16:50:33 -0000
> @@ -16,6 +16,7 @@
>  			     -o -path '*.css'	\
>  			     -o -path '*.xul'	\
>  			     -o -path '*.html'	\
> +			     -o -path '*.xhtml'	\
>  			   \)			\
>  		}
>  JAR_DIRS      = $(foreach f,${JAR_FILES},$(dir $f))
> 
> 



From w.l.fischer at googlemail.com  Mon Oct  6 14:56:49 2008
From: w.l.fischer at googlemail.com (W)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:56:49 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimbox
Message-ID: <4b5d137a0810061456n6cf87c4ay810ac55751bcf5b0@mail.gmail.com>

Martin wrote:

> Jan Snyder wrote:
>
> > It would be interesting to see a full vim desktop environment. Maybe
> > like a combo of vim and fluxbox or gnome. Fluxbox would definitely be
> > more interesting with a vim command line. I've been using vim to do
> > webdesign so vimperator is very cool.
>
> Well, most vimperator users use tiling window managers, which make much
> more sense than using Fluxbox or the like.
>
> Most popular are:
> * awesome
> * wmii
> * dwm
> some users also still use ion3 afaik.
>
> All of the above alread feature vim-like keybindings out of the box, so
> try any of these.
>
> And also make sure to check-out muttator.mozdev.org, which is just like
> Vimperator but for handling mail and rss.

Two more vi-like programs come to my mind:

bash: with 'set -o vi', you can edit the command line with vi compatible keys
mutt: textmode mailer for un*x (although not very vi compatible)

There was also a text mode browser which supported vi-like movement
keys, but I forgot its name. Does anyone know of more programs that
would contribute to building a vimbox?
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From stubenschrott at gmx.net  Mon Oct  6 15:47:26 2008
From: stubenschrott at gmx.net (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:47:26 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, and Ctrl+Z
In-Reply-To: <186902680810051245t294a6887hdf1d5db29bf7da87@mail.gmail.com>
References: <186902680810051245t294a6887hdf1d5db29bf7da87@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48EA957E.8010608@gmx.net>

hi,

Thanks for this long and very good post, i agree with most of your
points (and even i have :noremap <C-v> <C-v><C-v> etc. in my windows
version at work).

It's not so easy to get rid of the keys, however. "I" was deliberately
changed to ctrl-v because:
*) i wanted the same in key in both normal as in insert mode
*) ctrl-v IS used in vim for some similar thing, but just in insert
mode.

ctrl-c is even harder to get rid off, as <esc> is used for something
else and there needs to be a way to stop loading the page.

ctrl-z: well, i changed it from ctrl-q recently as too many people
complained. changing to ctrl-s might work for vimperator, but i got so
used to the semantics of ctrl-s in muttator (save in archive, similarly
to s and S) that i don't really want to move it to ctrl-s.

That said, i know that overrideing those keys sucks for windows users,
it's just that i want the same bindings on all platforms, but haven't
found useful keys which are still free (with ctrl-z it's even 4 keys, i
just don't think we'll find it).

since all ctrl-c,v/z don't do something really important in vimperator,
I think resorting to the :noremap method works best.

any other solutions?

Martin

On 2008-10-05 21:45, Jim Babcock wrote:

> Right now, vimperator remaps both Ctrl+C (from 'copy' to 'cancel') and
> Ctrl+V (from 'paste' to 'pass-through'). On Linux, the preferred
> method of copy/paste is with the middle mouse button, so this is not a
> problem. On Windows, this is a user-interface disaster and it badly
> needs to be fixed.
> 
> There are three places you might copy from: text from a Web page, text
> from a form field, and text from an external application. There are
> two places you might copy to: into a form field, and into an external
> application. The address and command bars work like form fields.
>  Copying from...
>     A web page: 'Y' works, '^C' doesn't
>     Form field: 'Y' doesn't work, '^C' does
>     Extern application: 'Y' doesn't work, '^C' does
>  Copying to...
>     Form field: '^V' doesn't work, '^V,^V' does
>     External application: '^V' works, '^V,^V' pastes twice
> Or, seen another way
>       Copy  Paste
> Page  Y     N/A
> Form  ^C    ^V,^V
> App   ^C    ^V
> Ordinary users won't memorize that table. They'll never figure it out,
> because it's not documented explicitly, and they wouldn't read it even
> if it was. Instead, they'll use the right-click menu, the only thing
> that works everywhere. In fact, a few weeks after I started using
> Vimperator, I caught myself doing just that, in a completely unrelated
> application, something I had never done before.
> 
> We need to restore ^C and ^V to their original, rightful functions as
> copy and paste, which means displacing the ^C=cancel and
> ^V=pass-through hotkeys. In fact, both of these hotkeys are unique to
> vimperator and do not appear in vim. ^V means 'block visual' in vim,
> which doesn't apply in vimperator, so pass-through can be easily
> assigned to some other key. I suggest backslash in command mode and
> ctrl+backslash in both command and insert modes. That leaves ^C. I
> think that should be moved to ^S. This has two good mnemonics: it's
> 'stop', and it's also the Unix hotkey for XOFF, which is useless but
> semantically similar. ^S is currently "save page as" in vimperator,
> which is rarely used and can still be accessed with :save or :saveas.
> 
> Undo is also broken; it was ^Z, but ^Z is not pass-through mode and
> there's no way to undo edits in a form field without using the mouse.
> I see no reason not to move that to another hotkey, especially since
> ^Z in vim means suspend, which is completely unrelated, and
> unexpectedly finding yourself in pass-through mode is extremely
> disorienting. I can't think of a non-arbitrary hotkey to change this
> to, but ^Z was pretty arbitrary in the first place, so any unused
> hotkey will do.
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> 



From coolcd05a at gmail.com  Mon Oct  6 18:34:42 2008
From: coolcd05a at gmail.com (Alan CHENG)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:34:42 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator]  Multibyte characters problem when using :!
Message-ID: <56096cc30810061834n7a34481dn9ed9ada51e521cf3@mail.gmail.com>

hi all,

I tried to control xmms2 in Vimperator. However, I found  there is something
wrong when using multibyte characters as arguments. For example:

:!xmms2 mlib search artist:?*

I don't have this problem when using xmms2 in mlterm.

This problem is not limited to xmms2. Even a simple command 'ls' could
demonstrate this:

1st: Create a file called ??.txt in your home directory
2nd: Type ':!ls ?* ' in vimperator

The following message will show up:

------------------------------------------------
ls: invalid option --
Try `ls --help' for more information
------------------------------------------------.

I also tried to use both single (') and double quotes (") around it. But
these steps don't help.

Does anybody know how to fix this?


Alan
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From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Oct  6 18:37:45 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:37:45 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Makefile.common is wrong
In-Reply-To: <48EA8341.7070605@gmx.net>
References: <6eebba490810060955q221cf476k1bf5057551605b6e@mail.gmail.com>
	<48EA8341.7070605@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <48EABD69.3030102@tedpavlic.com>

> @Ted: if you read this, does that fix your build? (you'll probably have
> to wait till tomorrow for it to show up in the nightlies)

That seems to fix it! I did an hg pull to tip a190edff3b8d ("fixed 
muttador style display") and everything works well.

Thanks! --
Ted

P.S.

That pull included "fixed XPI generation, thanks teramako" 
(30b3f0b22360). I'm GUESSING that was the fix.


> 
> On 2008-10-06 18:55, M.Terada wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>>
>> In resend days, src/content/buffer.xhtml was added.
>> But Makefile.common is not modefied.
>>
>> here is a patch.
>>
>> --
>> Index: Makefile.common
>> ===================================================================
>> RCS file: /cvs/vimperator/src/Makefile.common,v
>> retrieving revision 1.6
>> diff -u -r1.6 Makefile.common
>> --- Makefile.common	14 Sep 2008 07:54:16 -0000	1.6
>> +++ Makefile.common	6 Oct 2008 16:50:33 -0000
>> @@ -16,6 +16,7 @@
>>  			     -o -path '*.css'	\
>>  			     -o -path '*.xul'	\
>>  			     -o -path '*.html'	\
>> +			     -o -path '*.xhtml'	\
>>  			   \)			\
>>  		}
>>  JAR_DIRS      = $(foreach f,${JAR_FILES},$(dir $f))
>>
>>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Oct  6 18:41:15 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:41:15 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] :help completion funniness
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230810060734g643d106ena6dec435f8565dc2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48E61205.3010508@tedpavlic.com>
	<dd9711230810032314l25409038rc33d72362f48042d@mail.gmail.com>
	<48EA05FF.2080201@tedpavlic.com>
	<dd9711230810060734g643d106ena6dec435f8565dc2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48EABE3B.6060308@tedpavlic.com>

This problem *appears* to be fixed as of the "hg pull" I just did.

Daniel Bainton wrote:
> 2008/10/6 Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>:
>>> This seems to be a Mac OS X issue only, I've been having it too. Works
>>> fine with Linux though and I have no idea why it does it.
>> Hm. I'm running a pretty slow Mac (1.67 GHz Powerbook G4 with OS X 10.4). Do
>> you think that might have anything to do with it? I have a feeling it does
>> *not* because I seem to get the problem regardless of how fast I type.
> 
> No, that shouldn't be it. I have an intel Macbook from a year ago and
> I get it too.
> 
>> I'm *sure* that this problem was introduced *recently*. I guess I just need
>> to go back through all the changesets until I can find the one that did it.
>> :(
> 
> I've had it for quite a while already...
> 
> --
> Daniel
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From dpb at driftaway.org  Mon Oct  6 23:08:13 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:08:13 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, and Ctrl+Z
In-Reply-To: <48EA957E.8010608@gmx.net>
References: <186902680810051245t294a6887hdf1d5db29bf7da87@mail.gmail.com>
	<48EA957E.8010608@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <dd9711230810062308s7b99031cr987654663f0cfb23@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/7 Martin Stubenschrott <stubenschrott at gmx.net>:
> It's not so easy to get rid of the keys, however. "I" was deliberately
> changed to ctrl-v because:
> *) i wanted the same in key in both normal as in insert mode
> *) ctrl-v IS used in vim for some similar thing, but just in insert
> mode.

"I" never did what ctrl-v does, I think ctrl-v has always been ctrl-v
in Vimperator.
"I" was changed to ctrl-q and then to ctrl-z.

;)

--
Daniel

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 00:56:16 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:56:16 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Scrolling during search
Message-ID: <880dece00810070056o76555311y8484fefe9b433c4d@mail.gmail.com>

When seraching on a page with the "/" function, I cannot scroll the
page with the arrow keys nor with the Page[Up|Down] buttons. Is this
intentional behaviour? Often I need to scroll without loosing the
search (the ability to F3 to the next occurrence or add letters.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?

?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From dpb at driftaway.org  Tue Oct  7 02:25:07 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:25:07 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Scrolling during search
In-Reply-To: <880dece00810070056o76555311y8484fefe9b433c4d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00810070056o76555311y8484fefe9b433c4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230810070225y175a2578qee5570867c6f3b63@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/7 Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>:
> When seraching on a page with the "/" function, I cannot scroll the
> page with the arrow keys nor with the Page[Up|Down] buttons. Is this
> intentional behaviour? Often I need to scroll without loosing the
> search (the ability to F3 to the next occurrence or add letters.

Press enter after you've made the search, and 'n' to get to the next
occurrence ('N' to previous). To add letters, use / and <up> and then
add them.

--
Daniel

From mftian at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 02:30:40 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:30:40 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, and Ctrl+Z
In-Reply-To: <186902680810051245t294a6887hdf1d5db29bf7da87@mail.gmail.com>
References: <186902680810051245t294a6887hdf1d5db29bf7da87@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0810070230l195e557aocf8634e9185d1690@mail.gmail.com>

I think your idea is great, but *nix traditions are worth insisting. I
suggest that at least in command-line mode <C-c>/<C-v>/<C-z> for
copy/past/undo respectively should work.

<C-s> for "cancel" is good, and the key "s"/"S" can be remap to
":save"/":saveas" so that saving a webpage won't be too tricky

2008/10/6 Jim Babcock <jim at jimrandomh.org>

> Right now, vimperator remaps both Ctrl+C (from 'copy' to 'cancel') and
> Ctrl+V (from 'paste' to 'pass-through'). On Linux, the preferred
> method of copy/paste is with the middle mouse button, so this is not a
> problem. On Windows, this is a user-interface disaster and it badly
> needs to be fixed.
>
> There are three places you might copy from: text from a Web page, text
> from a form field, and text from an external application. There are
> two places you might copy to: into a form field, and into an external
> application. The address and command bars work like form fields.
>  Copying from...
>    A web page: 'Y' works, '^C' doesn't
>    Form field: 'Y' doesn't work, '^C' does
>    Extern application: 'Y' doesn't work, '^C' does
>  Copying to...
>    Form field: '^V' doesn't work, '^V,^V' does
>    External application: '^V' works, '^V,^V' pastes twice
> Or, seen another way
>      Copy  Paste
> Page  Y     N/A
> Form  ^C    ^V,^V
> App   ^C    ^V
> Ordinary users won't memorize that table. They'll never figure it out,
> because it's not documented explicitly, and they wouldn't read it even
> if it was. Instead, they'll use the right-click menu, the only thing
> that works everywhere. In fact, a few weeks after I started using
> Vimperator, I caught myself doing just that, in a completely unrelated
> application, something I had never done before.
>
> We need to restore ^C and ^V to their original, rightful functions as
> copy and paste, which means displacing the ^C=cancel and
> ^V=pass-through hotkeys. In fact, both of these hotkeys are unique to
> vimperator and do not appear in vim. ^V means 'block visual' in vim,
> which doesn't apply in vimperator, so pass-through can be easily
> assigned to some other key. I suggest backslash in command mode and
> ctrl+backslash in both command and insert modes. That leaves ^C. I
> think that should be moved to ^S. This has two good mnemonics: it's
> 'stop', and it's also the Unix hotkey for XOFF, which is useless but
> semantically similar. ^S is currently "save page as" in vimperator,
> which is rarely used and can still be accessed with :save or :saveas.
>
> Undo is also broken; it was ^Z, but ^Z is not pass-through mode and
> there's no way to undo edits in a form field without using the mouse.
> I see no reason not to move that to another hotkey, especially since
> ^Z in vim means suspend, which is completely unrelated, and
> unexpectedly finding yourself in pass-through mode is extremely
> disorienting. I can't think of a non-arbitrary hotkey to change this
> to, but ^Z was pretty arbitrary in the first place, so any unused
> hotkey will do.
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
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From mftian at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 02:40:07 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:40:07 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Multibyte characters problem when using :!
In-Reply-To: <56096cc30810061834n7a34481dn9ed9ada51e521cf3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56096cc30810061834n7a34481dn9ed9ada51e521cf3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0810070240j187d3a11qd3607c39a3fe101a@mail.gmail.com>

My "ls" command works fine with chinese characters. In fact in the
command-line mode my Vimperator works fine

but I kinda have the same "multibyte character" problem. When I type "f" and
try to type some characters to locate a hint, Vimperator just don't accept
multibype characters and my IME was ignored. My suggestion is that at this
situation Vimperator could enter a special mode that accept the input in the
textarea that accept normal command.

2008/10/7 Alan CHENG <coolcd05a at gmail.com>

> hi all,
>
> I tried to control xmms2 in Vimperator. However, I found  there is
> something wrong when using multibyte characters as arguments. For example:
>
> :!xmms2 mlib search artist:?*
>
> I don't have this problem when using xmms2 in mlterm.
>
> This problem is not limited to xmms2. Even a simple command 'ls' could
> demonstrate this:
>
> 1st: Create a file called ??.txt in your home directory
> 2nd: Type ':!ls ?* ' in vimperator
>
> The following message will show up:
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> ls: invalid option --
> Try `ls --help' for more information
> ------------------------------------------------.
>
> I also tried to use both single (') and double quotes (") around it. But
> these steps don't help.
>
> Does anybody know how to fix this?
>
>
> Alan
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 04:26:48 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 13:26:48 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Scrolling during search
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230810070225y175a2578qee5570867c6f3b63@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00810070056o76555311y8484fefe9b433c4d@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230810070225y175a2578qee5570867c6f3b63@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00810070426u5d35bffcj32f4fa9b44cbccfd@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/7 Daniel Bainton <dpb at driftaway.org>:
> 2008/10/7 Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>:
>> When seraching on a page with the "/" function, I cannot scroll the
>> page with the arrow keys nor with the Page[Up|Down] buttons. Is this
>> intentional behaviour? Often I need to scroll without loosing the
>> search (the ability to F3 to the next occurrence or add letters.
>
> Press enter after you've made the search, and 'n' to get to the next
> occurrence ('N' to previous). To add letters, use / and <up> and then
> add them.
>

Thanks, Daniel. This seems more like a work around than a solution,
but it will do for now. I will file a bug on it.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?

?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From dpb at driftaway.org  Tue Oct  7 04:48:15 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:48:15 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Scrolling during search
In-Reply-To: <880dece00810070426u5d35bffcj32f4fa9b44cbccfd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00810070056o76555311y8484fefe9b433c4d@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230810070225y175a2578qee5570867c6f3b63@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00810070426u5d35bffcj32f4fa9b44cbccfd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230810070448o4e8c7cdaj5032edee063d668b@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/7 Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>:
> 2008/10/7 Daniel Bainton <dpb at driftaway.org>:
>> 2008/10/7 Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>:
>>> When seraching on a page with the "/" function, I cannot scroll the
>>> page with the arrow keys nor with the Page[Up|Down] buttons. Is this
>>> intentional behaviour? Often I need to scroll without loosing the
>>> search (the ability to F3 to the next occurrence or add letters.
>>
>> Press enter after you've made the search, and 'n' to get to the next
>> occurrence ('N' to previous). To add letters, use / and <up> and then
>> add them.
>>
>
> Thanks, Daniel. This seems more like a work around than a solution,
> but it will do for now. I will file a bug on it.

It'll probably be resolved as WONTFIX, as using the arrows in a / is a
feature to scroll the search history. And using F3 is just a Firefox
binding, and no way a Vimperator thing. It works just like in Vim,
which is what Vimperator aims at. Though pgup/pgdown doesn't seem to
scroll the search history like in Vim, that should be fixed...

--
Daniel

From coolcd05a at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 06:22:30 2008
From: coolcd05a at gmail.com (Alan CHENG)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:22:30 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Multibyte characters problem when using :!
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0810070240j187d3a11qd3607c39a3fe101a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56096cc30810061834n7a34481dn9ed9ada51e521cf3@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0810070240j187d3a11qd3607c39a3fe101a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56096cc30810070622x7558c20di1fc3034713237928@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Xie&Tian

Do you try using Chinese as arguments? I don't have problem showing Chinese
characters if I issue :!ls. However, I do  have problem with using Chinese
characters as arguments of the command ls.

As for the multibyte hyperlink hint problem, yes, I have the same issue as
you have pointed. However, I have got used to use number hints.  :)


Alan

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com> wrote:

> My "ls" command works fine with chinese characters. In fact in the
> command-line mode my Vimperator works fine
>
> but I kinda have the same "multibyte character" problem. When I type "f"
> and try to type some characters to locate a hint, Vimperator just don't
> accept multibype characters and my IME was ignored. My suggestion is that at
> this situation Vimperator could enter a special mode that accept the input
> in the textarea that accept normal command.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 08:46:44 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:46:44 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Scrolling during search
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230810070448o4e8c7cdaj5032edee063d668b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00810070056o76555311y8484fefe9b433c4d@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230810070225y175a2578qee5570867c6f3b63@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00810070426u5d35bffcj32f4fa9b44cbccfd@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230810070448o4e8c7cdaj5032edee063d668b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00810070846o2a0c4eeeye3cf639054575586@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/7 Daniel Bainton <dpb at driftaway.org>:
> It'll probably be resolved as WONTFIX, as using the arrows in a / is a
> feature to scroll the search history. And using F3 is just a Firefox
> binding, and no way a Vimperator thing. It works just like in Vim,
> which is what Vimperator aims at. Though pgup/pgdown doesn't seem to
> scroll the search history like in Vim, that should be fixed...
>

I see. I will google about ways to scroll during a search in VIM, and
if there is a method that lends well to web browsing then I will see
about doing something similar in Vimperator. Thanks!

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?

?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From delugeag at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 10:20:43 2008
From: delugeag at gmail.com (tiot)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:20:43 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator]  Dvorak Layout and digits with shift
Message-ID: <5c4a06bf0810071020k6e0fafacr93e01f8889863d5e@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

I'm a French user of Vimperator, I really like it but I have some problems :

1) I use a dvorak way layout

It's fr-dvorak-bepo (layout could be see here :
http://www.clavier-dvorak.org/wiki/images/Layout-1.0rc1-simplifiee.png
). So the HJKL are not at the same place, notice that it's the same
problem with the dvorak-us. Map command is my friend but it doesn't
work with the TEXT AREA mode.

So it will be possible to map all key in all mode ? (I modify the
editor.js but it's not easy for everybody)

2) I must type shift with numbers

Some layout like azerty haven't the digit directly. It's annoying for
the quickhints, it's the same case for the fr-dvorak-bepo so I add :

 if (/^[",?,?,\(,\),@,\+,\-,\/,\*]$/.test(key) && !escapeNumbers)
                    {
                        switch (key)
			{
				case "\"":
					key = "1";
					break;
				case "?":
					key = "2";
					break;
				case "?":
					key = "3";
					break;
				case "(":
					key = "4";
					break;
				case ")":
					key = "5";
					break;
				case "@":
					key = "6";
					break;
				case "+":
					key = "7";
					break;
				case "-":
					key = "8";
					break;
				case "/":
					key = "9";
					break;
				case "*":
					key = "0";
					break;
				default:
					liberator.beep();
					return;
			}
		   }


before if (/^[0-9]$/.test(key) && !escapeNumbers) in hints.js

I know it's not really beautiful but it works. My programming skills
are equal to my English skills so I don't knows how I could put this
code in a Scripts.
If someone could help me?

Thank you,



-- 
Guillaume DELUGEARD

From schlachthausfunf at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 12:05:10 2008
From: schlachthausfunf at gmail.com (Jan Snyder)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:05:10 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Operator
Message-ID: <ff6a3a910810071205o26da1208n653751811f68d964@mail.gmail.com>

My firefox was on the skitz with crashing at flash videos, so I
switched to opera but wanted vimperator functionality, and I found
this site:

http://my.opera.com/Blazeix/blog/2008/07/04/vimperator-for-opera

It could be interesting to see a vimperator for other browsers like
Konqueror and Opera. The above link documents an interesting addition
to Opera, but it still lacks thi colon command line functionality and
dealing with links. I often hit "o" in vimperator for "open" then the
first 3 letters of a link I have such as gmail, then tab for surfing
to the link.  This opera version of vimperator lacks this
functionality though.

From mftian at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 07:18:54 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:18:54 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Multibyte characters problem when using :!
In-Reply-To: <56096cc30810070622x7558c20di1fc3034713237928@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56096cc30810061834n7a34481dn9ed9ada51e521cf3@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0810070240j187d3a11qd3607c39a3fe101a@mail.gmail.com>
	<56096cc30810070622x7558c20di1fc3034713237928@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0810070718i7e56aefbof48ab4917bb6a6d@mail.gmail.com>

"ls" command accepts arguments? I didn't find that on the F1 help page

2008/10/7 Alan CHENG <coolcd05a at gmail.com>

> Hi, Xie&Tian
>
> Do you try using Chinese as arguments? I don't have problem showing Chinese
> characters if I issue :!ls. However, I do  have problem with using Chinese
> characters as arguments of the command ls.
>
> As for the multibyte hyperlink hint problem, yes, I have the same issue as
> you have pointed. However, I have got used to use number hints.  :)
>
>
> Alan
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My "ls" command works fine with chinese characters. In fact in the
>> command-line mode my Vimperator works fine
>>
>> but I kinda have the same "multibyte character" problem. When I type "f"
>> and try to type some characters to locate a hint, Vimperator just don't
>> accept multibype characters and my IME was ignored. My suggestion is that at
>> this situation Vimperator could enter a special mode that accept the input
>> in the textarea that accept normal command.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>
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From casey.manion at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 16:31:46 2008
From: casey.manion at gmail.com (Casey Manion)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:31:46 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] [Plus - Heart ]
Message-ID: <66dd0ce40810071631k1692523ay7fbaa622c0a855@mail.gmail.com>

What's the plus [+] and the heart [?] mean on the status bar ?

FF3, Windows XP, ...

Thanks [+-?],

Casey

From dan at peeron.com  Tue Oct  7 16:50:27 2008
From: dan at peeron.com (Dan Boger)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:50:27 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] [Plus - Heart ]
In-Reply-To: <66dd0ce40810071631k1692523ay7fbaa622c0a855@mail.gmail.com>
References: <66dd0ce40810071631k1692523ay7fbaa622c0a855@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ced6c8e30810071650u74966252g1f2f8e3a2d4c20c8@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Casey Manion <casey.manion at gmail.com> wrote:

> What's the plus [+] and the heart [?] mean on the status bar ?


It means you have the current page bookmarked.


-- 
Dan Boger
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From coolcd05a at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 17:05:56 2008
From: coolcd05a at gmail.com (Alan CHENG)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:05:56 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Multibyte characters problem when using :!
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0810070718i7e56aefbof48ab4917bb6a6d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56096cc30810061834n7a34481dn9ed9ada51e521cf3@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0810070240j187d3a11qd3607c39a3fe101a@mail.gmail.com>
	<56096cc30810070622x7558c20di1fc3034713237928@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0810070718i7e56aefbof48ab4917bb6a6d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56096cc30810071705m4ca241cfrec7c76a86f744135@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, sorry for not being clear. When issuing :!{cmd} , Vimperator would call
the external command {cmd} to run. Try to use ':!ls
A-File-With-Chinese-Name'  to list a file with Chinese characters (or other
multibyte characters) in its name in your home directory to see if it is
correctly showed up. I would like to know if this is a specific case in my
computer or a bug in Vimperator.

In my case, if I issue  :!LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8 ls ?.log

---------------------------------------------------------------------
ls: cannot access ?.log: No such file or directory
---------------------------------------------------------------------


If i issue :!LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8 ls ??.txt

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ls: invalid option -- ? Try `ls --help' for more information.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


This is my locale information:

LANG=zh_TW.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE=zh_TW.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC="zh_TW.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="zh_TW.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="zh_TW.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="zh_TW.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES=zh_TW.UTF-8
LC_PAPER="zh_TW.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="zh_TW.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="zh_TW.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="zh_TW.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="zh_TW.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="zh_TW.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=


Alan

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com> wrote:

> "ls" command accepts arguments? I didn't find that on the F1 help page
>
> 2008/10/7 Alan CHENG <coolcd05a at gmail.com>
>
>> Hi, Xie&Tian
>>
>>
>> Do you try using Chinese as arguments? I don't have problem showing
>> Chinese characters if I issue :!ls. However, I do  have problem with using
>> Chinese characters as arguments of the command ls.
>>
>> As for the multibyte hyperlink hint problem, yes, I have the same issue as
>> you have pointed. However, I have got used to use number hints.  :)
>>
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>
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From mftian at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 19:44:24 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:44:24 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Multibyte characters problem when using :!
In-Reply-To: <56096cc30810071705m4ca241cfrec7c76a86f744135@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56096cc30810061834n7a34481dn9ed9ada51e521cf3@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0810070240j187d3a11qd3607c39a3fe101a@mail.gmail.com>
	<56096cc30810070622x7558c20di1fc3034713237928@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0810070718i7e56aefbof48ab4917bb6a6d@mail.gmail.com>
	<56096cc30810071705m4ca241cfrec7c76a86f744135@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0810071944v5afe62b8lcda637e448064d8a@mail.gmail.com>

pity that I'm using Vimperator under Windows. Though the command :pwd works,
I tried :!dir and nothing happened -_-

2008/10/8 Alan CHENG <coolcd05a at gmail.com>

> Oh, sorry for not being clear. When issuing :!{cmd} , Vimperator would call
> the external command {cmd} to run. Try to use ':!ls
> A-File-With-Chinese-Name'  to list a file with Chinese characters (or other
> multibyte characters) in its name in your home directory to see if it is
> correctly showed up. I would like to know if this is a specific case in my
> computer or a bug in Vimperator.
>
> In my case, if I issue  :!LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8 ls ?.log
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> ls: cannot access ?.log: No such file or directory
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> If i issue :!LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8 ls ??.txt
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ls: invalid option -- ? Try `ls --help' for more information.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> This is my locale information:
>
> LANG=zh_TW.UTF-8
> LC_CTYPE=zh_TW.UTF-8
> LC_NUMERIC="zh_TW.UTF-8"
> LC_TIME="zh_TW.UTF-8"
> LC_COLLATE="zh_TW.UTF-8"
> LC_MONETARY="zh_TW.UTF-8"
> LC_MESSAGES=zh_TW.UTF-8
> LC_PAPER="zh_TW.UTF-8"
> LC_NAME="zh_TW.UTF-8"
> LC_ADDRESS="zh_TW.UTF-8"
> LC_TELEPHONE="zh_TW.UTF-8"
> LC_MEASUREMENT="zh_TW.UTF-8"
> LC_IDENTIFICATION="zh_TW.UTF-8"
> LC_ALL=
>
>
> Alan
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "ls" command accepts arguments? I didn't find that on the F1 help page
>>
>> 2008/10/7 Alan CHENG <coolcd05a at gmail.com>
>>
>>> Hi, Xie&Tian
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you try using Chinese as arguments? I don't have problem showing
>>> Chinese characters if I issue :!ls. However, I do  have problem with using
>>> Chinese characters as arguments of the command ls.
>>>
>>> As for the multibyte hyperlink hint problem, yes, I have the same issue
>>> as you have pointed. However, I have got used to use number hints.  :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Vimperator mailing list
>>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>
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From dougkearns at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 19:50:49 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:50:49 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] Scrolling during search
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230810070448o4e8c7cdaj5032edee063d668b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00810070056o76555311y8484fefe9b433c4d@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230810070225y175a2578qee5570867c6f3b63@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00810070426u5d35bffcj32f4fa9b44cbccfd@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230810070448o4e8c7cdaj5032edee063d668b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0810071950x47db343atd7b37fdcbcb75527@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Daniel Bainton <dpb at driftaway.org> wrote:
> Though pgup/pgdown doesn't seem to
> scroll the search history like in Vim, that should be fixed...

Done...if bodgily.

Doug

From dpb at driftaway.org  Wed Oct  8 00:54:03 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:54:03 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Multibyte characters problem when using :!
In-Reply-To: <56096cc30810071705m4ca241cfrec7c76a86f744135@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56096cc30810061834n7a34481dn9ed9ada51e521cf3@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0810070240j187d3a11qd3607c39a3fe101a@mail.gmail.com>
	<56096cc30810070622x7558c20di1fc3034713237928@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0810070718i7e56aefbof48ab4917bb6a6d@mail.gmail.com>
	<56096cc30810071705m4ca241cfrec7c76a86f744135@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230810080054k5fd1da9ap21e8e3f694bc8adb@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/8 Alan CHENG <coolcd05a at gmail.com>:
> Oh, sorry for not being clear. When issuing :!{cmd} , Vimperator would call
> the external command {cmd} to run. Try to use ':!ls
> A-File-With-Chinese-Name'  to list a file with Chinese characters (or other
> multibyte characters) in its name in your home directory to see if it is
> correctly showed up. I would like to know if this is a specific case in my
> computer or a bug in Vimperator.

It's not just you. I tested it, it gives me the same.

--
Daniel

From teramako at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 05:52:39 2008
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:52:39 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] Makefile.common is wrong
In-Reply-To: <48EABD69.3030102@tedpavlic.com>
References: <6eebba490810060955q221cf476k1bf5057551605b6e@mail.gmail.com>
	<48EA8341.7070605@gmx.net> <48EABD69.3030102@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <6eebba490810080552p5ae32182gd8db7c8600e1ce80@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Today,  Makefile.common and chrome.manifest was not modified
althogh liberator.xul and vimperator.dtd were added, yessterday.

Please apply the below
------------------------------------------

Index: Makefile.common
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/vimperator/src/Makefile.common,v
retrieving revision 1.7
diff -u -r1.7 Makefile.common
--- Makefile.common	6 Oct 2008 21:28:44 -0000	1.7
+++ Makefile.common	8 Oct 2008 12:41:57 -0000
@@ -17,6 +17,7 @@
 			     -o -path '*.xul'	\
 			     -o -path '*.html'	\
  			     -o -path '*.xhtml'	\
+ 			     -o -path '*.dtd'	\
 			   \)			\
 		}
 JAR_DIRS      = $(foreach f,${JAR_FILES},$(dir $f))
Index: chrome.manifest
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/vimperator/src/chrome.manifest,v
retrieving revision 1.8
diff -u -r1.8 chrome.manifest
--- chrome.manifest	5 Oct 2008 23:38:31 -0000	1.8
+++ chrome.manifest	8 Oct 2008 12:41:57 -0000
@@ -4,4 +4,5 @@
 locale	 vimperator en-US locale/en-US/
 skin vimperator classic/1.0 skin/
 overlay chrome://browser/content/browser.xul
chrome://vimperator/content/vimperator.xul
+overlay chrome://vimperator/content/vimperator.xul
chrome://vimperator/content/liberator.xul

-----------------------------

Best regards
-- 
teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/

From teramako at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 06:59:37 2008
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 22:59:37 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] Fix a progrem set! completion is not match
	"no..."
Message-ID: <6eebba490810080659i6bd5333ayf5fee6af3c376f5f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I occured that set! (set firefox preferences) completion was not match "no...",
when I inputed ":set! noscript" and hit <Tab>.

I think It doesn't need to remove the first "no" or "inv" string .

Index: options.js
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/vimperator/src/content/options.js,v
retrieving revision 1.129
diff -u -r1.129 options.js
--- options.js	8 Oct 2008 06:09:39 -0000	1.129
+++ options.js	8 Oct 2008 13:53:25 -0000
@@ -664,10 +664,6 @@
             completer: function (filter, special, count, modifiers)
             {
                 var optionCompletions = [];
-                var prefix = filter.match(/^no|inv/) || "";
-
-                if (prefix)
-                    filter = filter.replace(prefix, "");

                 if (special) // list completions for about:config entries
                 {
@@ -695,6 +691,11 @@
                     return [0,
liberator.completion.filter(optionCompletions, filter)];
                 }

+                var prefix = filter.match(/^no|inv/) || "";
+
+                if (prefix)
+                    filter = filter.replace(prefix, "");
+
                 var scope = liberator.options.OPTION_SCOPE_BOTH;
                 if (modifiers && modifiers.scope)
                     scope = modifiers.scope;

Best regards
-- 
teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/

From coolcd05a at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 17:39:41 2008
From: coolcd05a at gmail.com (Alan CHENG)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:39:41 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Multibyte characters problem when using :!
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230810080054k5fd1da9ap21e8e3f694bc8adb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56096cc30810061834n7a34481dn9ed9ada51e521cf3@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0810070240j187d3a11qd3607c39a3fe101a@mail.gmail.com>
	<56096cc30810070622x7558c20di1fc3034713237928@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0810070718i7e56aefbof48ab4917bb6a6d@mail.gmail.com>
	<56096cc30810071705m4ca241cfrec7c76a86f744135@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230810080054k5fd1da9ap21e8e3f694bc8adb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56096cc30810081739n4edbac2eh2aacdff91ae99178@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for your reply, Daniel.

Since I can't find a workaround to input multibyte arguments in Vimperator,
before it is fixed, I think I had better use 'Run:' feature provided by my
window manager instead of issuing commands in firefox.


On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Daniel Bainton <dpb at driftaway.org> wrote:

> 2008/10/8 Alan CHENG <coolcd05a at gmail.com>:
> > Oh, sorry for not being clear. When issuing :!{cmd} , Vimperator would
> call
> > the external command {cmd} to run. Try to use ':!ls
> > A-File-With-Chinese-Name'  to list a file with Chinese characters (or
> other
> > multibyte characters) in its name in your home directory to see if it is
> > correctly showed up. I would like to know if this is a specific case in
> my
> > computer or a bug in Vimperator.
>
> It's not just you. I tested it, it gives me the same.
>
> --
> Daniel
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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From anekos at snca.net  Thu Oct  9 07:55:10 2008
From: anekos at snca.net (anekos)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:55:10 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] [Patch] 2 problems ("]f" "[f" and ex-command
	completion)
Message-ID: <d61793b50810090755q6562c704y896b7ac806d53d9a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi.

I found and fixed 2 problems.

[1. "]f" "[f" commands cannot work]
liberator.buffer.shiftFrameFocus fail.

[2. ex-command completion bug]
the key sequence for reproducing.
  ":buffer!<Tab>"
-> The input character string is destroyed.

Please review and consider applying these patches.

diff -r 9650634d7e97 src/content/buffer.js
--- a/src/content/buffer.js	Thu Oct 09 04:58:29 2008 +0200
+++ b/src/content/buffer.js	Thu Oct 09 23:40:34 2008 +0900
@@ -1534,9 +1534,8 @@

             // add the frame indicator
             var doc = frames[next].document;
-            var indicator =
-                <div id="liberator-frame-indicator"/>;
-            doc.body.appendChild(liberator.util.xmlToDom(indicator));
+            var indicator = liberator.util.xmlToDom(<div
id="liberator-frame-indicator"/>, doc);
+            doc.body.appendChild(indicator);

             // remove the frame indicator
             setTimeout(function () { doc.body.removeChild(indicator); }, 500);
diff -r 9650634d7e97 src/content/completion.js
--- a/src/content/completion.js	Thu Oct 09 04:58:29 2008 +0200
+++ b/src/content/completion.js	Thu Oct 09 23:40:34 2008 +0900
@@ -819,7 +819,7 @@
             var command = liberator.commands.get(cmd);
             if (command && command.completer)
             {
-                matches = str.match(/^:*\d*\w+!?\s+/);
+                matches = str.match(/^:*\d*\w+[\s!]\s*/);
                 exLength = matches ? matches[0].length : 0;
                 [start, completions] = command.completer.call(this,
args, special);
             }


-- 
anekos
http://snca.net/
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/nokturnalmortum/

From mchalkley at mail.com  Thu Oct  9 09:43:15 2008
From: mchalkley at mail.com (Mark Chalkley)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:43:15 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
Message-ID: <20081009164315.7A32C49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

I see that "numbered tabs" is shown as an item under consideration on the
TODO page...  I'm not sure if this is exactly what's meant, but I'd love
to see a small number in the upper left corner of each tab, to make it
easy to jump to specific tabs without having to type a unique buffer
identifier or count them...

Mark
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From patroclo7 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  9 09:47:15 2008
From: patroclo7 at gmail.com (Giorgio Lando)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 18:47:15 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
In-Reply-To: <20081009164315.7A32C49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081009164315.7A32C49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <20081009164715.GE20997@clarabella.clarabella>

On gio 09/10/08, 11:43, Mark Chalkley wrote:
> I see that "numbered tabs" is shown as an item under consideration on the
> TODO page...  I'm not sure if this is exactly what's meant, but I'd love
> to see a small number in the upper left corner of each tab, to make it
> easy to jump to specific tabs without having to type a unique buffer
> identifier or count them...

You could be interested to know that in recent releases the "Fancy
Numbered Tabs" addon works fine with vimperator. It does something similar to
what you want (actually the number replaces the close button)
Giorgio Lando

From mchalkley at mail.com  Thu Oct  9 11:18:11 2008
From: mchalkley at mail.com (Mark Chalkley)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 13:18:11 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
Message-ID: <20081009181811.07D4549B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

 Thanks for the info!  I didn't know about that one, so I just installed
it - it's interesting, but it only shows a number if the close 'x' is
visible.  If I've got that few tabs, I can remember the numbers,
actually... ;)

I do a lot of research, so I frequently have 4 or 5 windows open with a
dozen or more tabs in each window, so it would be a HUGE time-saver to
have the tab number visible (even if it replaced the icon...)  Any other
options?

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Giorgio Lando"
  To: vimperator at mozdev.org
  Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
  Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 18:47:15 +0200


  On gio 09/10/08, 11:43, Mark Chalkley wrote:
  > I see that "numbered tabs" is shown as an item under consideration
  on the
  > TODO page... I'm not sure if this is exactly what's meant, but I'd
  love
  > to see a small number in the upper left corner of each tab, to make
  it
  > easy to jump to specific tabs without having to type a unique
  buffer
  > identifier or count them...

  You could be interested to know that in recent releases the "Fancy
  Numbered Tabs" addon works fine with vimperator. It does something
  similar to
  what you want (actually the number replaces the close button)
  Giorgio Lando
  _______________________________________________
  Vimperator mailing list
  Vimperator at mozdev.org
  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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From stubenschrott at gmx.net  Thu Oct  9 16:32:32 2008
From: stubenschrott at gmx.net (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:32:32 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [Patch] 2 problems ("]f" "[f" and
	ex-command	completion)
In-Reply-To: <d61793b50810090755q6562c704y896b7ac806d53d9a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d61793b50810090755q6562c704y896b7ac806d53d9a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48EE9490.20402@gmx.net>

Thanks, applied.

Had to reformat the patch, as the lines wrapped at 80 chars, you might want to attach it in future rather.

anyway, thanks a lot,

Martin

On 2008-10-09 16:55, anekos wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> I found and fixed 2 problems.
> 
> [1. "]f" "[f" commands cannot work]
> liberator.buffer.shiftFrameFocus fail.
> 
> [2. ex-command completion bug]
> the key sequence for reproducing.
>   ":buffer!<Tab>"
> -> The input character string is destroyed.
> 
> Please review and consider applying these patches.
> 
> diff -r 9650634d7e97 src/content/buffer.js
> --- a/src/content/buffer.js	Thu Oct 09 04:58:29 2008 +0200
> +++ b/src/content/buffer.js	Thu Oct 09 23:40:34 2008 +0900
> @@ -1534,9 +1534,8 @@
> 
>              // add the frame indicator
>              var doc = frames[next].document;
> -            var indicator =
> -                <div id="liberator-frame-indicator"/>;
> -            doc.body.appendChild(liberator.util.xmlToDom(indicator));
> +            var indicator = liberator.util.xmlToDom(<div
> id="liberator-frame-indicator"/>, doc);
> +            doc.body.appendChild(indicator);
> 
>              // remove the frame indicator
>              setTimeout(function () { doc.body.removeChild(indicator); }, 500);
> diff -r 9650634d7e97 src/content/completion.js
> --- a/src/content/completion.js	Thu Oct 09 04:58:29 2008 +0200
> +++ b/src/content/completion.js	Thu Oct 09 23:40:34 2008 +0900
> @@ -819,7 +819,7 @@
>              var command = liberator.commands.get(cmd);
>              if (command && command.completer)
>              {
> -                matches = str.match(/^:*\d*\w+!?\s+/);
> +                matches = str.match(/^:*\d*\w+[\s!]\s*/);
>                  exLength = matches ? matches[0].length : 0;
>                  [start, completions] = command.completer.call(this,
> args, special);
>              }
> 
> 



From jpboodhoo at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 03:24:25 2008
From: jpboodhoo at gmail.com (Jean-Paul Boodhoo)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:24:25 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Any Changes to the Gmail frames issue?
Message-ID: <8c0cf4110810100324n55fb8cc9lcbd1eba89f76b86e@mail.gmail.com>

Just a quick shout out to the group to see if there have been any updates to
the issues the Vimperator (latest) and Firefox 2.0 seem to have with apps
like gmail. Having to continually click on the screen to  have pass through
mode work is a big pain.

Thanks,

JP
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From anekos at snca.net  Fri Oct 10 03:34:30 2008
From: anekos at snca.net (anekos)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:34:30 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] [Patch] 2 problems ("]f" "[f" and ex-command
	completion)
In-Reply-To: <48EE9490.20402@gmx.net>
References: <d61793b50810090755q6562c704y896b7ac806d53d9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<48EE9490.20402@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <d61793b50810100334v6d1f59a7r26d0cd1f0d595483@mail.gmail.com>

> Had to reformat the patch, as the lines wrapped at 80 chars, you might want to attach it in future rather.
Sorry, and Thank you for your advice.

-- 
anekos
http://snca.net/
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/nokturnalmortum/

From jpboodhoo at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 03:48:11 2008
From: jpboodhoo at gmail.com (Jean-Paul Boodhoo)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:48:11 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator Teaser Video
Message-ID: <8c0cf4110810100348y5f7f3a36r130afa89288a77ac@mail.gmail.com>

A couple of months ago I put together a quick screencast demonstrating the
usage of Vimperator. There is no talking. I just used ScreenFlow with
keyboard shortcut & key recognition on. There is also some pretty cool music
provided by Andy Hunter.

I have had some pretty good feedback from the video (comments and offline).
It could be another resource to point people to if they are curious about
what the usage of it looks like!!

You can find the post here (the link to the video is in the blog post):

http://blog.jpboodhoo.com/VimperatorTeaserScreencast.aspx

God Bless,

JP
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From dpb at driftaway.org  Fri Oct 10 04:20:14 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:20:14 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
In-Reply-To: <20081009181811.07D4549B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081009181811.07D4549B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230810100420u7edae1e7lc2f98d36532d4ae0@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/9 Mark Chalkley <mchalkley at mail.com>:
> Thanks for the info!  I didn't know about that one, so I just installed it -
> it's interesting, but it only shows a number if the close 'x' is visible.
> If I've got that few tabs, I can remember the numbers, actually... ;)
>
> I do a lot of research, so I frequently have 4 or 5 windows open with a
> dozen or more tabs in each window, so it would be a HUGE time-saver to have
> the tab number visible (even if it replaced the icon...)  Any other options?

I just have the whole tab bar hidden and use 'b'.

--
Daniel

From mftian at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 04:37:43 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:37:43 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
In-Reply-To: <20081009181811.07D4549B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081009181811.07D4549B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0810100437n7b8c1787h998d67e93500f6e8@mail.gmail.com>

'Fancy Numbered Tabs' is great but it can only deal with no more than 8 tabs

2008/10/10 Mark Chalkley <mchalkley at mail.com>

>  Thanks for the info!  I didn't know about that one, so I just installed it
> - it's interesting, but it only shows a number if the close 'x' is visible.
> If I've got that few tabs, I can remember the numbers, actually... ;)
>
> I do a lot of research, so I frequently have 4 or 5 windows open with a
> dozen or more tabs in each window, so it would be a HUGE time-saver to have
> the tab number visible (even if it replaced the icon...)  Any other options?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Giorgio Lando"
> To: vimperator at mozdev.org
> Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 18:47:15 +0200
>
>
> On gio 09/10/08, 11:43, Mark Chalkley wrote:
> > I see that "numbered tabs" is shown as an item under consideration on the
> > TODO page... I'm not sure if this is exactly what's meant, but I'd love
> > to see a small number in the upper left corner of each tab, to make it
> > easy to jump to specific tabs without having to type a unique buffer
> > identifier or count them...
>
> You could be interested to know that in recent releases the "Fancy
> Numbered Tabs" addon works fine with vimperator. It does something similar
> to
> what you want (actually the number replaces the close button)
> Giorgio Lando
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>
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From mchalkley at mail.com  Fri Oct 10 04:46:33 2008
From: mchalkley at mail.com (Mark Chalkley)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:46:33 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
Message-ID: <20081010114633.9224F83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

 I do that sometimes, but having the visual cues to the tabs available
are usually too handy to be worth the savings in screen real estate, to
me.

And it seems to me that the numbers would sure save a LOT of keystrokes,
which is kind of the whole idea behind Vimperator:  efficiency (well, at
least, that's my reason for using it)...

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Daniel Bainton"
  To: vimperator at mozdev.org
  Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
  Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:20:14 +0300


  2008/10/9 Mark Chalkley :
  > Thanks for the info! I didn't know about that one, so I just
  installed it -
  > it's interesting, but it only shows a number if the close 'x' is
  visible.
  > If I've got that few tabs, I can remember the numbers, actually...
  ;)
  >
  > I do a lot of research, so I frequently have 4 or 5 windows open
  with a
  > dozen or more tabs in each window, so it would be a HUGE time-saver
  to have
  > the tab number visible (even if it replaced the icon...) Any other
  options?

  I just have the whole tab bar hidden and use 'b'.

  --
  Daniel
  _______________________________________________
  Vimperator mailing list
  Vimperator at mozdev.org
  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 05:19:16 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:19:16 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0810100437n7b8c1787h998d67e93500f6e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081009181811.07D4549B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<a28ffaac0810100437n7b8c1787h998d67e93500f6e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00810100519x34714de8n5d46d861679f525c@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/10 Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com>:
> 'Fancy Numbered Tabs' is great but it can only deal with no more than 8 tabs
>

It also requires the Close Button to be visible, which I have a
problem with. I would love to see the numbers on the tabs as part of
Vimperator. At the least, it would save us from installing Yet Another
Extension, with compatibility issues and whatnot.

Slightly OT: What other efficiency extensions do Vimperator users use?
I use Tree Style Tabs, which is what is keeping me on Firefox from
Opera. CookieCuller, Scrapbook, and TagSifter are great efficiency /
organizational tools as well (I have ~20 extensions, but those are the
must-haves).

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?

?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Oct 10 06:03:17 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:03:17 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator Teaser Video
In-Reply-To: <8c0cf4110810100348y5f7f3a36r130afa89288a77ac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8c0cf4110810100348y5f7f3a36r130afa89288a77ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48EF5295.2030005@tedpavlic.com>

Thanks for pointing out the "It's All Text!" plugin! That helps to solve 
the problem with Vimperator being unable to open a text editor in OS X 10.4.

Now... given that "It's All Text!" has no trouble starting MacVim, why 
can't Vimperator?

--Ted

Jean-Paul Boodhoo wrote:
> A couple of months ago I put together a quick screencast demonstrating 
> the usage of Vimperator. There is no talking. I just used ScreenFlow 
> with keyboard shortcut & key recognition on. There is also some pretty 
> cool music provided by Andy Hunter.
> 
> I have had some pretty good feedback from the video (comments and 
> offline). It could be another resource to point people to if they are 
> curious about what the usage of it looks like!!
> 
> You can find the post here (the link to the video is in the blog post):
> 
> http://blog.jpboodhoo.com/VimperatorTeaserScreencast.aspx
> 
> God Bless,
> 
> JP
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From rogutes at googlemail.com  Fri Oct 10 06:08:01 2008
From: rogutes at googlemail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Rogut=C4=97s?=)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:08:01 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
In-Reply-To: <880dece00810100519x34714de8n5d46d861679f525c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081009181811.07D4549B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<a28ffaac0810100437n7b8c1787h998d67e93500f6e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00810100519x34714de8n5d46d861679f525c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081010130801.GA4236@ugu.dokeda.lt>

Dotan Cohen (2008-10-10 14:19):
> 2008/10/10 Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com>:
> > 'Fancy Numbered Tabs' is great but it can only deal with no more than 8 tabs
> >
> 
> It also requires the Close Button to be visible, which I have a
> problem with. I would love to see the numbers on the tabs as part of
> Vimperator. At the least, it would save us from installing Yet Another
> Extension, with compatibility issues and whatnot.

It could be done with css (e.g. added to userChrome.css), but I can't
get it to work for XUL (even though it works for HTML). Any ideas why
the css property 'content' and css counters do not work when styling the
interface? [1]

[1] http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=856245


-- 
Rogut?s

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 06:14:42 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:14:42 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
In-Reply-To: <20081010130801.GA4236@ugu.dokeda.lt>
References: <20081009181811.07D4549B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<a28ffaac0810100437n7b8c1787h998d67e93500f6e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00810100519x34714de8n5d46d861679f525c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081010130801.GA4236@ugu.dokeda.lt>
Message-ID: <880dece00810100614s7e70a7fbx682c87b318991a2e@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/10 Rogut?s <rogutes at googlemail.com>:
> It could be done with css (e.g. added to userChrome.css), but I can't
> get it to work for XUL (even though it works for HTML). Any ideas why
> the css property 'content' and css counters do not work when styling the
> interface? [1]
>
> [1] http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=856245
>

You might wan to open up the 'Fancy Numbered Tabs' extension and see
how he does it. I had considere trying to modfy that extension as a
project, but I just do not have the time to learn the skilz (two
babies, in the middle of university degree, work,... poor excuses I
know!)

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?

?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Oct 10 06:30:40 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:30:40 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Repeating with "."
Message-ID: <48EF5900.4020805@tedpavlic.com>

It seems like it would be natural to have a "." in Vimperator. For 
example, I might want to move from frame to frame to frame, stopping in 
each frame. Rather than typing "]f" every time, I could hit "." after 
the first one.

Is there a reason why "." hasn't been implemented? It feels like it's 
been left out for a reason. Is it because it's too hard to define what 
the "last" command is?

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Oct 10 07:16:57 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:16:57 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Mapping % to work like in Vim
Message-ID: <48EF63D9.4010905@tedpavlic.com>

Vimperator already has gg and G, but it interprets "count" to be %.

In Vim, you can navigate to %'s of the document by using "%" (that is, 
"35%").

Is there some value (for consistency) to aliasing "%" to "G" when it 
follows a number in command mode?

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From mftian at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 08:15:43 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:15:43 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Repeating with "."
In-Reply-To: <48EF5900.4020805@tedpavlic.com>
References: <48EF5900.4020805@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0810100815o6dcbcea6q77218f5a9f1db69e@mail.gmail.com>

yeah, I miss this feature too. Maybe with a start and an end command, "."
could be used to perform some pre-recorded macro

2008/10/10 Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

> It seems like it would be natural to have a "." in Vimperator. For example,
> I might want to move from frame to frame to frame, stopping in each frame.
> Rather than typing "]f" every time, I could hit "." after the first one.
>
> Is there a reason why "." hasn't been implemented? It feels like it's been
> left out for a reason. Is it because it's too hard to define what the "last"
> command is?
>
> --Ted
>
> --
> Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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From mftian at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 08:53:35 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:53:35 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] FastDial access patch
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0810100853h75376d08n27b4acdbcfb9da7@mail.gmail.com>

I've been spending a great time with Vimperator, but with current version
(1.0, last modified in 2008.8.16) I just can't access "FastDial" as easy as
before, and I heard others complain about it. So I add a few lines to
liberator.js to add two commands:

fd / fastdial: Open FastDial shortcut in current buffer
(You can always open FastDial page in new buffer using Ctrl+T)

---------------------
in liberator.js, after line 936:

$ diff --normal liberator.js liberator.js.orig
938,949d937
<             var _extmgr = Components.classes["@
mozilla.org/extensions/manager;1
"].getService(Components.interfaces.nsIExtensionManager);
<             var _fastdial = _extmgr.getItemForID("
fastdial at telega.phpnet.us");

<             if(_fastdial)
<             {
<                 liberator.commands.add(["fd", "fastdial"],
<                     "Open FastDial shortcut in current buffer",
<                     function()
<                     {
<
liberator.open("chrome://fastdial/content/fastdial.html",
liberator.CURRENT_TAB);
<                     });
<             }
<

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Please consider adding this feature, thanks
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From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Oct 10 10:00:11 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:00:11 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] FastDial access patch
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0810100853h75376d08n27b4acdbcfb9da7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0810100853h75376d08n27b4acdbcfb9da7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48EF8A1B.3060100@tedpavlic.com>

Wouldn't this be better as a plugin rather than a patch? Then those with 
FastDial could just install the Vimperator plugin.

It seems like a bad idea to clutter the main Vimperator source with 
addon-specific features.

--Ted

Xie&Tian wrote:
> I've been spending a great time with Vimperator, but with current 
> version (1.0, last modified in 2008.8.16) I just can't access
> "FastDial" as easy as before, and I heard others complain about it.
> So I add a few lines to liberator.js to add two commands:
> 
> fd / fastdial: Open FastDial shortcut in current buffer (You can
> always open FastDial page in new buffer using Ctrl+T)
> 
> --------------------- in liberator.js, after line 936:
> 
> $ diff --normal liberator.js liberator.js.orig 938,949d937 <
> var _extmgr = Components.classes["@mozilla.org/extensions/manager;1 
> <http://mozilla.org/extensions/manager;1>"].getService(Components.interfaces.nsIExtensionManager);
>  <             var _fastdial = 
> _extmgr.getItemForID("fastdial at telega.phpnet.us 
> <mailto:fastdial at telega.phpnet.us>");
> 
> <             if(_fastdial) <             { <
> liberator.commands.add(["fd", "fastdial"], <
> "Open FastDial shortcut in current buffer", <
> function() <                     { < 
> liberator.open("chrome://fastdial/content/fastdial.html", 
> liberator.CURRENT_TAB); <                     }); <             } <
> 
> ---------------------
> 
> Please consider adding this feature, thanks
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ Vimperator mailing
> list Vimperator at mozdev.org 
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From mftian at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 10:13:43 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:13:43 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] FastDial access patch
In-Reply-To: <48EF8A1B.3060100@tedpavlic.com>
References: <a28ffaac0810100853h75376d08n27b4acdbcfb9da7@mail.gmail.com>
	<48EF8A1B.3060100@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0810101013u3cce1ed3nd58fdb845c8dd05c@mail.gmail.com>

yeah, plug-in is a good idea but I'm using version 1.0 and I didn't receive
any update from firefox about Vimperator and I can't find the latest
document from Vimperator official site. I don't even have a plug-in
directory here on my machine T.T

2008/10/11 Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

> Wouldn't this be better as a plugin rather than a patch? Then those with
> FastDial could just install the Vimperator plugin.
>
> It seems like a bad idea to clutter the main Vimperator source with
> addon-specific features.
>
> --Ted
>
> Xie&Tian wrote:
>
>> I've been spending a great time with Vimperator, but with current version
>> (1.0, last modified in 2008.8.16) I just can't access
>> "FastDial" as easy as before, and I heard others complain about it.
>> So I add a few lines to liberator.js to add two commands:
>>
>> fd / fastdial: Open FastDial shortcut in current buffer (You can
>> always open FastDial page in new buffer using Ctrl+T)
>>
>> --------------------- in liberator.js, after line 936:
>>
>> $ diff --normal liberator.js liberator.js.orig 938,949d937 <
>> var _extmgr = Components.classes["@mozilla.org/extensions/manager;1 <
>> http://mozilla.org/extensions/manager;1
>> >"].getService(Components.interfaces.nsIExtensionManager);
>>  <             var _fastdial = _extmgr.getItemForID("
>> fastdial at telega.phpnet.us <mailto:fastdial at telega.phpnet.us>");
>>
>> <             if(_fastdial) <             { <
>> liberator.commands.add(["fd", "fastdial"], <
>> "Open FastDial shortcut in current buffer", <
>> function() <                     { <
>> liberator.open("chrome://fastdial/content/fastdial.html",
>> liberator.CURRENT_TAB); <                     }); <             } <
>>
>> ---------------------
>>
>> Please consider adding this feature, thanks
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________ Vimperator mailing
>> list Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>
> --
> Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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From drsmall at mycroftserver.homelinux.org  Fri Oct 10 10:31:41 2008
From: drsmall at mycroftserver.homelinux.org (Dr Small)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:31:41 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] A minor complaint
Message-ID: <20081010173141.6577C4BC31B@mycroftserver.homelinux.org>

Greetings,
I just joined this list to find out some more information on Vimperator and 
to join those that enjoy this great addon also. 

I have a slight problem (and perhaps I am missing something) that occurs at 
odd times while browsing. I like to browse without my mouse alot of the 
time, but occasionally I will close a buffer (:q) and it automatically takes 
me back to the previous tab. From here, I can not execute any commands, 
(from the command line, or keyboard shortcuts) until I grab my mouse and 
click on the page. 

Is this normal behavior? Or do I have some setting set incorrectly that is 
affecting this? I am running ArchLinux with Openbox. It seems like the 
window goes out of focus and I can no longer run Vimperator in Firefox until 
I click on the page. 

By all means, I love everything else about Vimperator. It has made my 
browsing experience much more the pleasant. I have all toolbars off, to make 
my browsing screen taller, too. 

Well, if anyone can answer my questions, I would be much oblidged! 

 -----------
Dr Small <drsmall at mycroftserver.homelinux.org>
(GPG Key: 8640534A)

From teramako at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 17:33:12 2008
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:33:12 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] Fix javascript completion returns wrong lists
	when function name is "$"
Message-ID: <6eebba490810101733k1217e23apd34816192265ba5e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I love ":echo" , ":js" commands.
javascript completion is very good.
But ...

I'm using a vimperator plugin which defines "liberator.$" function.
when I type ":echo $("foo")." and <tab>,
completion is outputed a completion list of String, althogh the list
of function return value.

Please review and apply the below patch

--- completion.js	2008-10-11 09:17:34.000000000 +0900
+++ tmp/completion.js	2008-10-11 09:20:00.000000000 +0900
@@ -292,7 +292,7 @@
                     {
                         case "(":
                             /* Function call, or if/while/for/... */
-                            if (/\w/.test(lastNonwhite))
+                            if (/[\w$]/.test(lastNonwhite))
                             {
                                 top[FUNCTIONS].push(i);
                                 top[STATEMENTS].pop();


-- 
teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/

From benisty.e at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 18:35:52 2008
From: benisty.e at gmail.com (Emmanuel Benisty)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:35:52 +0700
Subject: [Vimperator] A minor complaint
In-Reply-To: <20081010173141.6577C4BC31B@mycroftserver.homelinux.org>
References: <20081010173141.6577C4BC31B@mycroftserver.homelinux.org>
Message-ID: <c1f41c620810101835n68564c47y5033701aaf5a532c@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

> but occasionally I will close a buffer (:q) and it automatically takes
> me back to the previous tab. From here, I can not execute any commands,
> (from the command line, or keyboard shortcuts) until I grab my mouse and
> click on the page.

i have noticed the same behavior. when i have several tabs open and
use d to close them one by one, i'll lose focus when exactly 2 tabs
remain.

> I am running ArchLinux with Openbox.

Exactly the same setup here.

cheers.

From mftian at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 20:57:09 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:57:09 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] plugin loading failed
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0810102057i694a088ckf1d8bcd34322848b@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to Ted of the idea to pack my code as a plugin. I put them into a js
file under %HOME%/vimperator/plugin but when Vimperator starts it failed to
load it. Here is the error message:

vimperator: C:\Documents and
Settings\Sycre\vimperator\plugin\colortab.js:undefined: Error opening input
stream (invalid filename?)

-- threw by: e.echoerr = file.path + ":" + e.lineNumber + ": " + e;

I checked through the startup routine and found nothing unusual. It seems
that nsIJSSubScriptLoader.loadSubScript method just didn't accept the file.
I tried replacing the slashes but still didn't work. Any ideas?
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From dougkearns at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 21:01:59 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:01:59 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] Mapping % to work like in Vim
In-Reply-To: <48EF63D9.4010905@tedpavlic.com>
References: <48EF63D9.4010905@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0810102101p1707b103tfd0044b59026741e@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 1:16 AM, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
> Vimperator already has gg and G, but it interprets "count" to be %.
>
> In Vim, you can navigate to %'s of the document by using "%" (that is,
> "35%").
>
> Is there some value (for consistency) to aliasing "%" to "G" when it follows
> a number in command mode?

I think so, I'll add it.

Thanks,
Doug

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 23:02:48 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:02:48 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
Message-ID: <20081011060248.GD11409@jg.home>

Here's a patch against HEAD to add numbered tabs. I'm not 
going to commit it without discussion. As for CSS :before and 
content: not working, it's because XUL uses a different box 
model than HTML, and Gecko isn't setup to handle them at the 
moment. Fancy Numbered Tabs... You don't even want to know how 
it works. It'll make you cry, really (aside from restyling the 
tabs every 5 milliseconds, the CSS... well, there's a reason 
it supports only 8 tabs).

-- 
Kris Maglione

When in doubt, use brute force.
	--Ken Thompson

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Index: content/bindings.xml
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/vimperator/src/content/bindings.xml,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -u -r1.1 bindings.xml
--- content/bindings.xml	9 Oct 2008 17:41:45 -0000	1.1
+++ content/bindings.xml	11 Oct 2008 05:56:44 -0000
@@ -1,6 +1,14 @@
 <?xml version="1.0"?>
 
+<!DOCTYPE bindings [
+<!ENTITY % tabBrowserDTD SYSTEM "chrome://browser/locale/tabbrowser.dtd" >
+%tabBrowserDTD;
+<!ENTITY % globalDTD SYSTEM "chrome://global/locale/global.dtd">
+%globalDTD;
+]>
+
 <bindings xmlns="http://www.mozilla.org/xbl"
+          xmlns:xul="http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul"
 	  xmlns:xbl="http://www.mozilla.org/xbl"
 	  xmlns:html="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
 
@@ -10,6 +18,16 @@
             <children/>
         </content>
     </binding>
+    <binding id="tab"
+             extends="chrome://browser/content/tabbrowser.xml#tabbrowser-tab">
+        <content chromedir="&locale.dir;"
+                 closetabtext="&closeTab.label;">
+            <xul:image xbl:inherits="validate,src=image" class="tab-icon-image"/>
+            <xul:label xbl:inherits="value=ordinal" class="liberator-tab-number"/>
+            <xul:label flex="1" xbl:inherits="value=label,crop,accesskey" class="tab-text"/>
+            <xul:toolbarbutton anonid="close-button" tabindex="-1" class="tab-close-button"/>
+        </content>
+    </binding>
     <binding id="compitem-td">
         <!-- No white space. The table is white-space: pre; :( -->
         <content><html:span class="compitem-td-span"><children/></html:span></content>
Index: content/ui.js
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/vimperator/src/content/ui.js,v
retrieving revision 1.157
diff -u -r1.157 ui.js
--- content/ui.js	10 Oct 2008 17:29:40 -0000	1.157
+++ content/ui.js	11 Oct 2008 05:56:44 -0000
@@ -1591,6 +1591,10 @@
                 return;
             }
 
+            let tabs = getBrowser().mTabs;
+            for (let i = 0; i < tabs.length; i++)
+                tabs[i].setAttribute("ordinal", i + 1);
+
             if (!currentIndex || typeof currentIndex != "number")
                 currentIndex = liberator.tabs.index() + 1;
             if (!totalTabs || typeof currentIndex != "number")
Index: skin/liberator.css
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/vimperator/src/skin/liberator.css,v
retrieving revision 1.6
diff -u -r1.6 liberator.css
--- skin/liberator.css	10 Oct 2008 04:43:09 -0000	1.6
+++ skin/liberator.css	11 Oct 2008 05:56:44 -0000
@@ -120,6 +120,14 @@
 @-moz-document 
     url-prefix(chrome://) {
 
+.tabbrowser-tab {
+    -moz-binding: url(chrome://liberator/content/bindings.xml#tab);
+}
+.liberator-tab-number {
+    font-weight: bold;
+    padding-right: .3ex;
+}
+
 #liberator-container  {
     font-family: monospace;
 }


From mftian at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 23:10:18 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:10:18 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
In-Reply-To: <20081011060248.GD11409@jg.home>
References: <20081011060248.GD11409@jg.home>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0810102310v60c87f46jd20c86781630edaa@mail.gmail.com>

not really. FancyNumberedTabs refreshes the tab 5ms after some tab is
closed. The sad point is those numbers are actually pictures. Maybe we can
override the close button of the tab with normal buttons labeled numbers

2008/10/11 Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com>

> Here's a patch against HEAD to add numbered tabs. I'm not going to commit
> it without discussion. As for CSS :before and content: not working, it's
> because XUL uses a different box model than HTML, and Gecko isn't setup to
> handle them at the moment. Fancy Numbered Tabs... You don't even want to
> know how it works. It'll make you cry, really (aside from restyling the tabs
> every 5 milliseconds, the CSS... well, there's a reason it supports only 8
> tabs).
>
> --
> Kris Maglione
>
> When in doubt, use brute force.
>        --Ken Thompson
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 23:26:15 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:26:15 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0810102310v60c87f46jd20c86781630edaa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081011060248.GD11409@jg.home>
	<a28ffaac0810102310v60c87f46jd20c86781630edaa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081011062615.GE11409@jg.home>

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 02:10:18PM +0800, Xie&Tian wrote:
>not really. FancyNumberedTabs refreshes the tab 5ms after some tab is
>closed. The sad point is those numbers are actually pictures. Maybe we can
>override the close button of the tab with normal buttons labeled numbers

The proverbial we can do more or less as we wish. As far as I'm 
concerned, the close tab button is assinine (unless you happen 
to leave your middle mouse button mapped to paste, in which case 
it has some value). Even so, I'd rather not see mine except on 
hover. I'd prefer to lay the text over the favicon, but without 
some way to outline it, it's a bad idea (I know this, of course, 
because I've tried it. There probably is a way, either with SVG 
or canvas).

-- 
Kris Maglione

Lisp has jokingly been called "the most intelligent way to misuse a
computer".  I think that description is a great compliment because it
transmits the full flavor of liberation: it has assisted a number of
our most gifted fellow humans in thinking previously impossible
thoughts.
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra, CACM, 15:10


From dougkearns at gmail.com  Sat Oct 11 06:57:21 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:57:21 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] Repeating with "."
In-Reply-To: <48EF5900.4020805@tedpavlic.com>
References: <48EF5900.4020805@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0810110657l5edb3e5fya19f59aae52ec586@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
> It seems like it would be natural to have a "." in Vimperator. For example,
> I might want to move from frame to frame to frame, stopping in each frame.
> Rather than typing "]f" every time, I could hit "." after the first one.
>
> Is there a reason why "." hasn't been implemented? It feels like it's been
> left out for a reason. Is it because it's too hard to define what the "last"
> command is?

No, that is trivial, of course.  I think the reality is that none of us
has bothered to determine exactly what should and shouldn't be
considered a repeatable command.  "." in Vim is not as pervasive as you
suggest.  For example, ]f can be considered as a rough equivalent of an
object motion command and these are not repeatable in Vim via ".".

That said it looks like you've spurred Kris on enough to make a start
and "." is now in the repo - thanks Kris.

Doug

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Sat Oct 11 07:09:28 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 01:09:28 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
In-Reply-To: <20081011060248.GD11409@jg.home>
References: <20081011060248.GD11409@jg.home>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0810110709w5b68ef97n8798807234ae3160@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:
> Here's a patch against HEAD to add numbered tabs. I'm not going to commit it
> without discussion. As for CSS :before and content: not working, it's
> because XUL uses a different box model than HTML, and Gecko isn't setup to
> handle them at the moment. Fancy Numbered Tabs... You don't even want to
> know how it works. It'll make you cry, really (aside from restyling the tabs
> every 5 milliseconds, the CSS... well, there's a reason it supports only 8
> tabs).

We had an admittedly less elegant solution many moons ago that Martin
rejected on performance grounds.

Now, while the renumbering with this patch is certainly observable it
doesn't bother me in the least and I think it's more than worth
committing.  Hopefully, this could be included with at least a basic
implementation of 'guitablabel'.

Martin, what do you think?

Regards,
Doug

PS. I think I'll run with this either way. Nice work! :)

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Sat Oct 11 07:12:27 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 01:12:27 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] Repeating with "."
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0810100815o6dcbcea6q77218f5a9f1db69e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48EF5900.4020805@tedpavlic.com>
	<a28ffaac0810100815o6dcbcea6q77218f5a9f1db69e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0810110712n56142e4i736d014f363c0b91@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 2:15 AM, Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com> wrote:
> yeah, I miss this feature too. Maybe with a start and an end command, "."
> could be used to perform some pre-recorded macro

Are you not aware of the current macro commands? See :help repeat

Doug

From stubenschrott at gmx.net  Sat Oct 11 08:38:45 2008
From: stubenschrott at gmx.net (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:38:45 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] FastDial access patch
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0810101013u3cce1ed3nd58fdb845c8dd05c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0810100853h75376d08n27b4acdbcfb9da7@mail.gmail.com>	<48EF8A1B.3060100@tedpavlic.com>
	<a28ffaac0810101013u3cce1ed3nd58fdb845c8dd05c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48F0C885.8090903@gmx.net>

Yeah, a plugin is the way to go for this.

Look at http://vimperator.mozdev.org/scripts.html which should help you
how to write/install vimperator scripts.

--
Martin

From stubenschrott at gmx.net  Sat Oct 11 08:47:00 2008
From: stubenschrott at gmx.net (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:47:00 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] Fix javascript completion returns wrong
 lists	when function name is "$"
In-Reply-To: <6eebba490810101733k1217e23apd34816192265ba5e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6eebba490810101733k1217e23apd34816192265ba5e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48F0CA74.8060308@gmx.net>

Should be fixed, please report back.

From stubenschrott at gmx.net  Sat Oct 11 08:48:05 2008
From: stubenschrott at gmx.net (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:48:05 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] A minor complaint
In-Reply-To: <c1f41c620810101835n68564c47y5033701aaf5a532c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081010173141.6577C4BC31B@mycroftserver.homelinux.org>
	<c1f41c620810101835n68564c47y5033701aaf5a532c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48F0CAB5.6030201@gmx.net>

On 2008-10-11 03:35, Emmanuel Benisty wrote:

> hi,
> 
>> but occasionally I will close a buffer (:q) and it automatically takes
>> me back to the previous tab. From here, I can not execute any commands,
>> (from the command line, or keyboard shortcuts) until I grab my mouse and
>> click on the page.
> 
> i have noticed the same behavior. when i have several tabs open and
> use d to close them one by one, i'll lose focus when exactly 2 tabs
> remain.

I also noticed that sometimes, but pressing <esc> usually works for me.
(Unless a java/flash applet has focus, there is really nothing we can do
against this).


From milezv at yandex.ru  Sat Oct 11 08:57:14 2008
From: milezv at yandex.ru (Konstantin)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:57:14 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] [new plugin] useragent.js
Message-ID: <48F0CCDA.5020508@yandex.ru>

FYI: I've just commited new plugin useragent.js to CVS (vimperator/www/scripts).


/*
  * useragent.js
  *
  *  Vimperator plugin to set UserAgent string.
  *
  *  @author Konstantin Stepanov <milezv at yandex.ru>
  *  @version 0.1
  *
  *    Copyright 2008 Konstantin Stepanov <milezv at yandex.ru>
  *    Compatible with Vimperator 2.0pre or higher.  Requires Firefox 3.
  *
  *    Idea is taken from User Agent Switch Firefox addon
  *    by Chris Pederick [http://chrispederick.com/]
  */

/*****************************************************************************

USAGE

	:adduseragent "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0)" -t "MSIE7" -p Win32 -an 
"Microsoft Internet Explorer" -av "4.0 (complatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0)"
		create new UserAgent definition (MS IE 7 on Windows Vista)

	:set useragent=MSIE7
		set browser UserAgent string

	:set useragent=
		reset browser UserAgent string to default

	:listuseragents
		list already added UserAgent definitions

	:deluseragent MSIE7
		remove UserAgent definition

COMMANDS

:adduseragent
:addua

	Create new UserAgent definition to be used later.

	Syntax:
		:addua "User-agent string" [-title defname] [-appname name] [-appversion version]
				[-platform platform] [-vendor vendor] [-subvendor subvendor]

	Available options:

		-title/-t
			Name of UserAgent definition, used to set useragent option.
			Defaults to UserAgent string.

		-appname/-an
		-appversion/-appver/-av
			Application name and version to report to servers.

		-platform/-p
			Platform to report to servers (e.g. Win32, Unix etc.)

		-vendor/-v
		-subvendor/-sv
			Vendor and subvendor strings to report to servers.

	Notes:

		UserAgent string is required parameter, all other options
		are optional and if not set, defaults to default browser
		values (so if platform is not set, Firefox will report
		its real platform). The only exception is title value,
		which is not reported anywhere, but just for user convinience.
		Title defaults to UserAgent string, but it's recommended
		to keep it short and descriptive (e.g. IE7, Opera9 etc.)
		because it is used to set useragent option and remove it
		with :deluseragent command.

:deluseragent
:delua

	Remove UserAgent definition.

	Syntax:
		:delua defname

	Notes:
		Use this command to remove UserAgent definition.
		defname is the title of UserAgent definition defined
		with -title option of :newuseragent command.
		If it was not set, it's equal to UserAgent string.

:listuseragents
:listua

	List UserAgent definitions added with :adduseragent.

	Syntax:
		:listua

OPTIONS

'useragent'
'ua'

	Set used UserAgent definition. Set it to empty string
	to restore browser defaults.

	Syntax:
		:set ua=[defname]

NOTES

	At the moment the plugin was written plugins from ~/.vimperator/plugin
	directory are loaded *after* .vimperatorrc processing, so
	you can't just write :adduseragent commands into your
	.vimperatorrc file to configure it.

	This plugin is written to be sourced only once, any subsequent
	loads of the plugin will do nothing, and so will not reset
	already set plugin options.

	So to configure your own UserAgent definitions in .vimperatorrc
	file you can write something like this:

	source ~/.vimperator/plugin/useragent.js " load UserAgent plugin
	adduseragent "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0)" -t "MSIE7" -p Win32 -an 
"Microsoft Internet Explorer" -av "4.0 (complatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0)"
	adduseragent "Mozilla/4.8 [en] (Windows NT 6.0; U)" -t "NS4" -p Win32 -an "Netscape" -av 
"Mozilla/4.8 [en] (Windows NT 6.0; U)"
	adduseragent "Opera/9.25 (Windows NT 6.0; U; en)" -t "Opera" -p Win32 -an "Opera" -av "9.25 
(Windows NT 6.0; U; en)"

	This code works for me, defining UserAgents for IE7, Netscape 4.8
	and Opera 9.25 under Windows Vista, so you can as well copy-paste
	this part into you .vimperatorrc and enjoy this plugin :)


-- 
Konstantin Stepanov
Web Developer

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Sat Oct 11 09:01:06 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:01:06 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] [new plugin] useragent.js
In-Reply-To: <48F0CCDA.5020508@yandex.ru>
References: <48F0CCDA.5020508@yandex.ru>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0810110901n4a4630edl41252ac6acb85f6e@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 2:57 AM, Konstantin <milezv at yandex.ru> wrote:
> FYI: I've just commited new plugin useragent.js to CVS
> (vimperator/www/scripts).

This should be very handy,  and excellent documentation as always. :)

Thanks,
Doug

From milezv at yandex.ru  Sat Oct 11 09:02:12 2008
From: milezv at yandex.ru (Konstantin)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:02:12 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] colortab vimperator plugin
In-Reply-To: <200810101540.58360.seeschloss@seos.fr>
References: <200810101540.58360.seeschloss@seos.fr>
Message-ID: <48F0CE04.1040007@yandex.ru>

Thanks for the catch.
Fixed & commited.

SeeSchloss wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Just to let you know that using a * instead of the + at the end of the 
> validator regular expression allows users to /remove/ the background colour, 
> which the current expression does not allow, and I think it would be a nice 
> feature.
> 
> I don't think this needs a diff, but if you would like one, I can provide it 
> ;)
> 
> 
> Matthieu
> 

-- 
Konstantin Stepanov
Web Developer

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sat Oct 11 09:40:21 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:40:21 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [new plugin] useragent.js
In-Reply-To: <48F0CCDA.5020508@yandex.ru>
References: <48F0CCDA.5020508@yandex.ru>
Message-ID: <20081011164021.GF11409@jg.home>

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 06:57:14PM +0300, Konstantin wrote:
> 	At the moment the plugin was written plugins from ~/.vimperator/plugin
> 	directory are loaded *after* .vimperatorrc processing, so
> 	you can't just write :adduseragent commands into your
> 	.vimperatorrc file to configure it.

Very nice. Regarding the above, I've added a :loadplugins 
command that can be called from .vimperatorrc to ensure that 
plugins are loaded when it's sourced.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad
judgement.
	--Fred Brooks


From drsmall at mycroftserver.homelinux.org  Sat Oct 11 10:47:22 2008
From: drsmall at mycroftserver.homelinux.org (Dr Small)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:47:22 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] A minor complaint
In-Reply-To: <48F0CAB5.6030201@gmx.net>
References: <20081010173141.6577C4BC31B@mycroftserver.homelinux.org>
	<c1f41c620810101835n68564c47y5033701aaf5a532c@mail.gmail.com>
	<48F0CAB5.6030201@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20081011174722.3B8394BC31C@mycroftserver.homelinux.org>

I have tried pressing ESC too, but to no avail. And, since I have flash 
disabled by default, it can't have focus. Besides, the times it happens, I 
have never had any flash on a page. 

 -----------
Dr Small <drsmall at mycroftserver.homelinux.org>
(GPG Key: 8640534A) 


Martin Stubenschrott writes: 

> On 2008-10-11 03:35, Emmanuel Benisty wrote: 
> 
>> hi, 
>> 
>>> but occasionally I will close a buffer (:q) and it automatically takes
>>> me back to the previous tab. From here, I can not execute any commands,
>>> (from the command line, or keyboard shortcuts) until I grab my mouse and
>>> click on the page.
>> 
>> i have noticed the same behavior. when i have several tabs open and
>> use d to close them one by one, i'll lose focus when exactly 2 tabs
>> remain.
> 
> I also noticed that sometimes, but pressing <esc> usually works for me.
> (Unless a java/flash applet has focus, there is really nothing we can do
> against this). 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sat Oct 11 11:45:55 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:45:55 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0810110709w5b68ef97n8798807234ae3160@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081011060248.GD11409@jg.home>
	<644fc65e0810110709w5b68ef97n8798807234ae3160@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081011184555.GA9261@jg.home>

On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 01:09:28AM +1100, Doug Kearns wrote:
>We had an admittedly less elegant solution many moons ago that Martin
>rejected on performance grounds.
>
>Now, while the renumbering with this patch is certainly observable it
>doesn't bother me in the least and I think it's more than worth
>committing.  Hopefully, this could be included with at least a basic
>implementation of 'guitablabel'.

This shouldn't have any performance problems. I've updated it, 
but it's still very tentative. If you and Martin agree, I'll 
commit it as is, for now. It adds a 'taboptions' option, which 
should really probably be either part of guioptions or a special 
formatter for 'guitablabel'. Actually, in all, the option is 
kind of lame. You can get better control of the close button 
with a pref, and hiding the label is just silly.

Anyway, you now have the option to put the label over the image, 
with a shadow, and :hi classes:

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4749/shotzw7.png

-- 
Kris Maglione

And the users exclaimed with a laugh and a taunt: "It's just what we
asked for but not what we want."

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Index: content/bindings.xml
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/vimperator/src/content/bindings.xml,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -u -r1.1 bindings.xml
--- content/bindings.xml	9 Oct 2008 17:41:45 -0000	1.1
+++ content/bindings.xml	11 Oct 2008 18:41:44 -0000
@@ -1,6 +1,14 @@
 <?xml version="1.0"?>
 
+<!DOCTYPE bindings [
+<!ENTITY % tabBrowserDTD SYSTEM "chrome://browser/locale/tabbrowser.dtd" >
+%tabBrowserDTD;
+<!ENTITY % globalDTD SYSTEM "chrome://global/locale/global.dtd">
+%globalDTD;
+]>
+
 <bindings xmlns="http://www.mozilla.org/xbl"
+          xmlns:xul="http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul"
 	  xmlns:xbl="http://www.mozilla.org/xbl"
 	  xmlns:html="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
 
@@ -10,6 +18,23 @@
             <children/>
         </content>
     </binding>
+    <binding id="tab"
+             extends="chrome://browser/content/tabbrowser.xml#tabbrowser-tab">
+        <content chromedir="&locale.dir;"
+                 closetabtext="&closeTab.label;">
+            <xul:stack class="liberator-tab-stack">
+                <xul:image xbl:inherits="validate,src=image" class="tab-icon-image hl-TabIcon"/>
+                <xul:vbox>
+                    <xul:spring flex="1"/>
+                    <xul:label xbl:inherits="value=ordinal" class="hl-TabIconNumber"/>
+                    <xul:spring flex="1"/>
+                </xul:vbox>
+            </xul:stack>
+            <xul:label xbl:inherits="value=ordinal" class="hl-TabNumber"/>
+            <xul:label flex="1" xbl:inherits="value=label,crop,accesskey" class="tab-text hl-TabText"/>
+            <xul:toolbarbutton anonid="close-button" tabindex="-1" class="tab-close-button hl-TabClose"/>
+        </content>
+    </binding>
     <binding id="compitem-td">
         <!-- No white space. The table is white-space: pre; :( -->
         <content><html:span class="compitem-td-span"><children/></html:span></content>
Index: content/buffer.js
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/vimperator/src/content/buffer.js,v
retrieving revision 1.146
diff -u -r1.146 buffer.js
--- content/buffer.js	11 Oct 2008 14:41:09 -0000	1.146
+++ content/buffer.js	11 Oct 2008 18:41:44 -0000
@@ -36,8 +36,8 @@
 
     const highlightClasses = ["Boolean", "ErrorMsg", "Filter", "Function", "InfoMsg", "Keyword",
             "LineNr", "ModeMsg", "MoreMsg", "Normal", "Null", "Number", "Object", "Question",
-            "StatusLine", "StatusLineBroken", "StatusLineSecure", "String", "Tag",
-            "Title", "URL", "WarningMsg",
+            "StatusLine", "StatusLineBroken", "StatusLineSecure", "String", "TabClose", "TabIcon",
+            "TabIconNumber", "TabNumber", "TabText", "Tag", "Title", "URL", "WarningMsg",
             ["Hint",   ".liberator-hint",     "*"],
             ["Search", ".__liberator-search", "*"],
             ["Bell",   "#liberator-visualbell"],
Index: content/liberator.js
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/vimperator/src/content/liberator.js,v
retrieving revision 1.126
diff -u -r1.126 liberator.js
--- content/liberator.js	11 Oct 2008 16:40:08 -0000	1.126
+++ content/liberator.js	11 Oct 2008 18:41:44 -0000
@@ -80,25 +80,40 @@
 
                     return value;
                 },
-                completer: function (filter)
-                {
-                    return [
+                completer: function (filter) [
                         ["m", "Menubar"],
                         ["T", "Toolbar"],
                         ["b", "Bookmark bar"]
-                    ];
-                },
-                validator: function (value)
-                {
-                    var regex = "[^";
-
-                    for (let option in liberator.config.guioptions)
-                        regex += option.toString();
-
-                    return !(new RegExp(regex + "]").test(value));
-                }
+                    ],
+                validator: function (value) Array.every(value, function (c) c in liberator.config.guioptions),
             });
 
+        if (liberator.has("tabs"))
+        {
+            const opts = [
+                ["n", "Tab number", null, ".hl-TabNumber"],
+                ["N", "Tab number over icon", null, ".hl-TabIconNumber"],
+                ["l", "Tab label", null, ".hl-TabText"],
+                ["c", "Tab close button", null, ".hl-TabClose"]
+            ];
+            liberator.options.add(["taboptions", "to"],
+                "Show or hide certain tab bar elements",
+                "charlist", "Nlc",
+                {
+                    setter: function (value)
+                    {
+                        let classes = opts.filter(function (o) value.indexOf(o[0]) == -1)
+                                          .map(function (a) a[3])
+                        if (!classes.length)
+                            liberator.storage.styles.removeSheet("taboptions", null, null, null, true);
+                        else
+                            liberator.storage.styles.addSheet("taboptions", "chrome://*", classes.join(",") + "{ display: none; }", true, true);
+                    },
+                    completer: function (filter) opts,
+                    validator: function (value) Array.every(value, function (c) opts.some(function (a) a[0] == c)),
+                });
+        }
+
         liberator.options.add(["helpfile", "hf"],
             "Name of the main help file",
             "string", "intro.html");
Index: content/ui.js
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/vimperator/src/content/ui.js,v
retrieving revision 1.159
diff -u -r1.159 ui.js
--- content/ui.js	11 Oct 2008 16:37:57 -0000	1.159
+++ content/ui.js	11 Oct 2008 18:41:45 -0000
@@ -1593,6 +1593,10 @@
                 return;
             }
 
+            let tabs = getBrowser().mTabs;
+            for (let i = 0; i < tabs.length; i++)
+                tabs[i].setAttribute("ordinal", i + 1);
+
             if (!currentIndex || typeof currentIndex != "number")
                 currentIndex = liberator.tabs.index() + 1;
             if (!totalTabs || typeof currentIndex != "number")
Index: content/vimperator.js
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/vimperator/src/content/vimperator.js,v
retrieving revision 1.120
diff -u -r1.120 vimperator.js
--- content/vimperator.js	7 Oct 2008 15:32:48 -0000	1.120
+++ content/vimperator.js	11 Oct 2008 18:41:45 -0000
@@ -33,7 +33,7 @@
 
     /*** optional options, there are checked for existance and a fallback provided  ***/
     features: ["bookmarks", "hints", "history", "marks", "quickmarks", "session", "tabs", "windows"],
-    defaults: { guioptions: "" },
+    defaults: { guioptions: "N" },
     guioptions: { m: ["toolbar-menubar"], T: ["nav-bar"], b: ["PersonalToolbar"] },
 
     get visualbellWindow() getBrowser().mPanelContainer,
Index: skin/liberator.css
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/vimperator/src/skin/liberator.css,v
retrieving revision 1.6
diff -u -r1.6 liberator.css
--- skin/liberator.css	10 Oct 2008 04:43:09 -0000	1.6
+++ skin/liberator.css	11 Oct 2008 18:41:45 -0000
@@ -120,6 +120,22 @@
 @-moz-document 
     url-prefix(chrome://) {
 
+.tabbrowser-tab {
+    -moz-binding: url(chrome://liberator/content/bindings.xml#tab);
+}
+
+.hl-TabIconNumber {
+    font-weight: bold;
+    text-shadow: black -1px 0 1px, black 0 1px 1px, black 1px 0 1px, black 0 -1px 1px;
+    text-align: center;
+    color: white;
+}
+
+.hl-TabNumber {
+    font-weight: bold;
+    padding-right: .3ex;
+}
+
 #liberator-container  {
     font-family: monospace;
 }

From mchalkley at mail.com  Sat Oct 11 20:05:30 2008
From: mchalkley at mail.com (Mark Chalkley)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:05:30 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
Message-ID: <20081012030530.8756883985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

 Awesome!  That looks _precisely_ like what I was hoping for - I'm
looking forward to it being in the snapshot...

Thanks very much for being willing to add this feature.  How difficult
would it be to not require the <return> after b<number> if it's not
ambiguous, just like f<number> works?

Mark

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Kris Maglione"
  To: vimperator at mozdev.org
  Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
  Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:45:55 -0400


  On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 01:09:28AM +1100, Doug Kearns wrote:
  > We had an admittedly less elegant solution many moons ago that
  Martin
  > rejected on performance grounds.
  >
  > Now, while the renumbering with this patch is certainly observable
  it
  > doesn't bother me in the least and I think it's more than worth
  > committing. Hopefully, this could be included with at least a basic
  > implementation of 'guitablabel'.

  This shouldn't have any performance problems. I've updated it, but
  it's still very tentative. If
  you and Martin agree, I'll commit it as is, for now. It adds a
  'taboptions' option, which should
  really probably be either part of guioptions or a special formatter
  for 'guitablabel'. Actually,
  in all, the option is kind of lame. You can get better control of the
  close button with a pref,
  and hiding the label is just silly.

  Anyway, you now have the option to put the label over the image, with
  a shadow, and :hi classes:

  http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4749/shotzw7.png

  -- Kris Maglione

  And the users exclaimed with a laugh and a taunt: "It's just what we
  asked for but not what we want."

  _______________________________________________
  Vimperator mailing list
  Vimperator at mozdev.org
  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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From stubenschrott at gmx.net  Sun Oct 12 00:28:27 2008
From: stubenschrott at gmx.net (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:28:27 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
In-Reply-To: <20081012030530.8756883985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081012030530.8756883985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <48F1A71B.3010300@gmx.net>

On 2008-10-12 05:05, Mark Chalkley wrote:

> Awesome!  That looks _precisely_ like what I was hoping for - I'm
> looking forward to it being in the snapshot...
> 
> Thanks very much for being willing to add this feature.  How difficult
> would it be to not require the <return> after b<number> if it's not
> ambiguous, just like f<number> works?

It would be special casing the :buffer prompt, which i don't like, use
12gt if you want to go to the 12th tab or
:map b gt
to use 12b

--
Martin

From mftian at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 01:18:37 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:18:37 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
In-Reply-To: <48F1A71B.3010300@gmx.net>
References: <20081012030530.8756883985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<48F1A71B.3010300@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0810120118y490a5fa8hb81cd9c12fcea07c@mail.gmail.com>

Why not make this patch an independent add-on that can work with Vimperator.
I mean other firefox users may need this feature and it would reduce the
complexity of Vimperator.

2008/10/12 Martin Stubenschrott <stubenschrott at gmx.net>

> On 2008-10-12 05:05, Mark Chalkley wrote:
>
> > Awesome!  That looks _precisely_ like what I was hoping for - I'm
> > looking forward to it being in the snapshot...
> >
> > Thanks very much for being willing to add this feature.  How difficult
> > would it be to not require the <return> after b<number> if it's not
> > ambiguous, just like f<number> works?
>
> It would be special casing the :buffer prompt, which i don't like, use
> 12gt if you want to go to the 12th tab or
> :map b gt
> to use 12b
>
> --
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
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From dougkearns at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 04:39:05 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:39:05 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0810120118y490a5fa8hb81cd9c12fcea07c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081012030530.8756883985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<48F1A71B.3010300@gmx.net>
	<a28ffaac0810120118y490a5fa8hb81cd9c12fcea07c@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com> wrote:
> Why not make this patch an independent add-on that can work with Vimperator.
> I mean other firefox users may need this feature and it would reduce the
> complexity of Vimperator.

Martin's not interested in that course.

The better question might be why don't you pull it out and package
separately if you think it's worthwhile? ;-)  It's largely
self-contained and would be a pretty straight forward project.

Doug

From mchalkley at mail.com  Sun Oct 12 07:40:12 2008
From: mchalkley at mail.com (Mark Chalkley)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:40:12 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs - sort of...
Message-ID: <20081012144012.A59CA83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

 WARNING - "noise level" content alert - stop here if you're easily
inclined to feel your time is being wasted...

My only comment (and I am keeping in mind that I'm in the category of a
"beggar" here, and hence have no right to be "choosy") in connection with
the two choices presented so far (as I understand them) is that clearly
demonstrable improvement in efficiency is about the only "leverage" you
have in winning "converts" to things like Vimperator, which require a
substantial investment of time to overcome the learning curve.  I'm a big
proponent of ViEmu (viemu.com) where I work (and no, I have no vested
interest in the product), because it provides a great deal of Vim
functionality within Visual Studio (as I'm sure most subscribers to this
list already know), but it's a tough sell because a lifetime of
productivity gain is hard to see when you're staring a few weeks of
substantially lowered productivity in the face, especially when you're up
against deadlines right now.

I'm running long here, I know, but if you can show (in the tutorial,
even) that Vimperator makes you a lot more productive (not just look cool
- ;) ), I think you'll stand a lot better chance of getting people to go
a little farther down the path of learning Vimperator.  I know this from
personal experience, too, because, even though I've only been using it a
month or so (and I don't have a lot of spare time to delve deeply into
it, either), I've been "selling" it to people at work, but 3 out of 4
give up less than 5 minutes into the learning process and never make it
far enough that they're seeing the huge advantages.  In big projects,
"evangelists" or "salespersons" are hired, but that's practical here, so
the product has to sell itself.  What's going to "sell" it, except
productivity gains?  Maybe a whiz-bang "Why Vimperator?" section on the
homepage that includes something like the "teaser" movie, or some other
way of communicating the message that they NEED Vimperator to live a
richer, more satisfying life, would be useful...  And let's not forget
that it's entirely possible that many people who will never have a need
for Vim, or ViEmu, or even know they exist, would benefit hugely from
Vimperator - so stating that Vimperator is the greatest thing since
sliced bread because it provides a Vim-like experience within Firefox
meant something useful to me, but it won't to most people, even if they
need Vimperator and don't know it...

So, connecting the dots, I think (though, as I said at the outset, I'm
not pretending that my opinion is valuable in this context) that the
numbered tabs, while certainly useful outside of Vimperator, are
potentially a big enough productivity gain, that it's worth a little
something to have in its internal "bag of tricks".  Who knows?  There
might be one or two people who reap a lifetime of productivity gains
because they got interested in Vimperator's numbered tabs...  (Ok, not
likely, but you at least see the point I'm trying to make - and if you
made it this far into this diatribe, you've got too much time on your
hands, or a morbid curiousity of some sort...)

Mark - Sorry for the verbosity, but I edited a lot out already.... :D

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Doug Kearns"
  To: vimperator at mozdev.org
  Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
  Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:39:05 +1100


  On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Xie&Tian wrote:
  > Why not make this patch an independent add-on that can work with
  Vimperator.
  > I mean other firefox users may need this feature and it would
  reduce the
  > complexity of Vimperator.

  Martin's not interested in that course.

  The better question might be why don't you pull it out and package
  separately if you think it's worthwhile? ;-) It's largely
  self-contained and would be a pretty straight forward project.

  Doug
  _______________________________________________
  Vimperator mailing list
  Vimperator at mozdev.org
  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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From mftian at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 08:24:26 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:24:26 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs - sort of...
In-Reply-To: <20081012144012.A59CA83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081012144012.A59CA83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0810120824tc03420dycb7edd3db586d47c@mail.gmail.com>

well, I'd say maybe you have taken all these too seriously. if it is for
money, most people in the mail-list wouldn't be here.

2008/10/12 Mark Chalkley <mchalkley at mail.com>

>  WARNING - "noise level" content alert - stop here if you're easily
> inclined to feel your time is being wasted...
>
> My only comment (and I am keeping in mind that I'm in the category of a
> "beggar" here, and hence have no right to be "choosy") in connection with
> the two choices presented so far (as I understand them) is that clearly
> demonstrable improvement in efficiency is about the only "leverage" you have
> in winning "converts" to things like Vimperator, which require a substantial
> investment of time to overcome the learning curve.  I'm a big proponent of
> ViEmu (viemu.com) where I work (and no, I have no vested interest in the
> product), because it provides a great deal of Vim functionality within
> Visual Studio (as I'm sure most subscribers to this list already know), but
> it's a tough sell because a lifetime of productivity gain is hard to see
> when you're staring a few weeks of substantially lowered productivity in the
> face, especially when you're up against deadlines right now.
>
> I'm running long here, I know, but if you can show (in the tutorial, even)
> that Vimperator makes you a lot more productive (not just look cool - ;) ),
> I think you'll stand a lot better chance of getting people to go a little
> farther down the path of learning Vimperator.  I know this from personal
> experience, too, because, even though I've only been using it a month or so
> (and I don't have a lot of spare time to delve deeply into it, either), I've
> been "selling" it to people at work, but 3 out of 4 give up less than 5
> minutes into the learning process and never make it far enough that they're
> seeing the huge advantages.  In big projects, "evangelists" or
> "salespersons" are hired, but that's practical here, so the product has to
> sell itself.  What's going to "sell" it, except productivity gains?  Maybe a
> whiz-bang "Why Vimperator?" section on the homepage that includes something
> like the "teaser" movie, or some other way of communicating the message that
> they NEED Vimperator to live a richer, more satisfying life, would be
> useful...  And let's not forget that it's entirely possible that many people
> who will never have a need for Vim, or ViEmu, or even know they exist, would
> benefit hugely from Vimperator - so stating that Vimperator is the greatest
> thing since sliced bread because it provides a Vim-like experience within
> Firefox meant something useful to me, but it won't to most people, even if
> they need Vimperator and don't know it...
>
> So, connecting the dots, I think (though, as I said at the outset, I'm not
> pretending that my opinion is valuable in this context) that the numbered
> tabs, while certainly useful outside of Vimperator, are potentially a big
> enough productivity gain, that it's worth a little something to have in its
> internal "bag of tricks".  Who knows?  There might be one or two people who
> reap a lifetime of productivity gains because they got interested in
> Vimperator's numbered tabs...  (Ok, not likely, but you at least see the
> point I'm trying to make - and if you made it this far into this diatribe,
> you've got too much time on your hands, or a morbid curiousity of some
> sort...)
>
> Mark - Sorry for the verbosity, but I edited a lot out already.... :D
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Kearns"
> To: vimperator at mozdev.org
> Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:39:05 +1100
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Xie&Tian wrote:
> > Why not make this patch an independent add-on that can work with
> Vimperator.
> > I mean other firefox users may need this feature and it would reduce the
> > complexity of Vimperator.
>
> Martin's not interested in that course.
>
> The better question might be why don't you pull it out and package
> separately if you think it's worthwhile? ;-) It's largely
> self-contained and would be a pretty straight forward project.
>
> Doug
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ginkgo_w at yahoo.com.cn  Sun Oct 12 08:24:41 2008
From: ginkgo_w at yahoo.com.cn (ginkgo_w)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:24:41 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] how to switch between the vimperator mode
Message-ID: <48F216B9.9010507@yahoo.com.cn>

Hello everyone,
    I am a newbie for the vimperator. I notice there are some modes in
the vimperator. I know the normal mode, caret mode and the visual mode.
when I press "i" I into the caret mode, then press "v" I enter the
visual mode.
But I want to know how to into the Insert Mode.
Someone who knows, please help me.

If you can explain how to switch between other mode is better

regard
ginkgo


From mchalkley at mail.com  Sun Oct 12 08:32:41 2008
From: mchalkley at mail.com (Mark Chalkley)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:32:41 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs - sort of...
Message-ID: <20081012153241.62C8283BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

 I didn't mean to imply that anyone here was interested in Vimperator for
the money, but most of us are employed, and if Vimperator helps us in our
work, so much the better, right?  Every little bit helps...

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Xie&Tian"
  To: vimperator at mozdev.org
  Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs - sort of...
  Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:24:26 +0800

  well, I'd say maybe you have taken all these too seriously. if it is
  for money, most people in the mail-list wouldn't be here.

  2008/10/12 Mark Chalkley <mchalkley at mail.com>

    WARNING - "noise level" content alert - stop here if you're
    easily inclined to feel your time is being wasted...

    My only comment (and I am keeping in mind that I'm in the
    category of a "beggar" here, and hence have no right to be
    "choosy") in connection with the two choices presented so far (as
    I understand them) is that clearly demonstrable improvement in
    efficiency is about the only "leverage" you have in winning
    "converts" to things like Vimperator, which require a substantial
    investment of time to overcome the learning curve.  I'm a big
    proponent of ViEmu (viemu.com) where I work (and no, I have no
    vested interest in the product), because it provides a great deal
    of Vim functionality within Visual Studio (as I'm sure most
    subscribers to this list already know), but it's a tough sell
    because a lifetime of productivity gain is hard to see when
    you're staring a few weeks of substantially lowered productivity
    in the face, especially when you're up against deadlines right
    now.

    I'm running long here, I know, but if you can show (in the
    tutorial, even) that Vimperator makes you a lot more productive
    (not just look cool - ;) ), I think you'll stand a lot better
    chance of getting people to go a little farther down the path of
    learning Vimperator.  I know this from personal experience, too,
    because, even though I've only been using it a month or so (and I
    don't have a lot of spare time to delve deeply into it, either),
    I've been "selling" it to people at work, but 3 out of 4 give up
    less than 5 minutes into the learning process and never make it
    far enough that they're seeing the huge advantages.  In big
    projects, "evangelists" or "salespersons" are hired, but that's
    practical here, so the product has to sell itself.  What's going
    to "sell" it, except productivity gains?  Maybe a whiz-bang "Why
    Vimperator?" section on the homepage that includes something like
    the "teaser" movie, or some other way of communicating the
    message that they NEED Vimperator to live a richer, more
    satisfying life, would be useful...  And let's not forget that
    it's entirely possible that many people who will never have a
    need for Vim, or ViEmu, or even know they exist, would benefit
    hugely from Vimperator - so stating that Vimperator is the
    greatest thing since sliced bread because it provides a Vim-like
    experience within Firefox meant something useful to me, but it
    won't to most people, even if they need Vimperator and don't know
    it...

    So, connecting the dots, I think (though, as I said at the
    outset, I'm not pretending that my opinion is valuable in this
    context) that the numbered tabs, while certainly useful outside
    of Vimperator, are potentially a big enough productivity gain,
    that it's worth a little something to have in its internal "bag
    of tricks".  Who knows?  There might be one or two people who
    reap a lifetime of productivity gains because they got interested
    in Vimperator's numbered tabs...  (Ok, not likely, but you at
    least see the point I'm trying to make - and if you made it this
    far into this diatribe, you've got too much time on your hands,
    or a morbid curiousity of some sort...)

    Mark - Sorry for the verbosity, but I edited a lot out
    already.... :D

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Doug Kearns"
      To: vimperator at mozdev.org
      Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
      Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:39:05 +1100


      On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Xie&Tian wrote:
      > Why not make this patch an independent add-on that can work
      with Vimperator.
      > I mean other firefox users may need this feature and it
      would reduce the
      > complexity of Vimperator.

      Martin's not interested in that course.

      The better question might be why don't you pull it out and
      package
      separately if you think it's worthwhile? ;-) It's largely
      self-contained and would be a pretty straight forward
      project.

      Doug
      _______________________________________________
      Vimperator mailing list
      Vimperator at mozdev.org
      https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator



    _______________________________________________
    Vimperator mailing list
    Vimperator at mozdev.org
    https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator



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From mftian at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 08:33:49 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:33:49 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] how to switch between the vimperator mode
In-Reply-To: <48F216B9.9010507@yahoo.com.cn>
References: <48F216B9.9010507@yahoo.com.cn>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0810120833m17450819t9d869b4a3d6c62d@mail.gmail.com>

when the textareas in the webpage get focus, which means that you can type
something in it, you are in 'insert mode' (you'll see --INSERT-- )

2008/10/12 ginkgo_w <ginkgo_w at yahoo.com.cn>

> Hello everyone,
>    I am a newbie for the vimperator. I notice there are some modes in
> the vimperator. I know the normal mode, caret mode and the visual mode.
> when I press "i" I into the caret mode, then press "v" I enter the
> visual mode.
> But I want to know how to into the Insert Mode.
> Someone who knows, please help me.
>
> If you can explain how to switch between other mode is better
>
> regard
> ginkgo
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 13:25:01 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:25:01 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0810120439n49e8cf59i77e892bcd8aa5aef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081012030530.8756883985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<48F1A71B.3010300@gmx.net>
	<a28ffaac0810120118y490a5fa8hb81cd9c12fcea07c@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0810120439n49e8cf59i77e892bcd8aa5aef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00810121325k4ef6c134j5a55db3478b70677@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/12 Doug Kearns <dougkearns at gmail.com>:
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why not make this patch an independent add-on that can work with Vimperator.
>> I mean other firefox users may need this feature and it would reduce the
>> complexity of Vimperator.
>
> Martin's not interested in that course.
>
> The better question might be why don't you pull it out and package
> separately if you think it's worthwhile? ;-)  It's largely
> self-contained and would be a pretty straight forward project.
>

I should point out that another aspect of Vimperator has been
requested as a separate addon for as long as Vimperator has been
around: Numbered Links.

Truth is, that feature is the reason that I started using Vimperator
(I am not a VIM user), and I am now glad that it was not made into a
separate addon. I now use most of the Vimperator features and I love
it.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?

?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From ginkgo_w at yahoo.com.cn  Sun Oct 12 17:50:01 2008
From: ginkgo_w at yahoo.com.cn (wang epson)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:50:01 +0800 (CST)
Subject: [Vimperator] =?gb2312?b?u9i4tKO6IFJlOiAgaG93IHRvIHN3aXRjaCBiZXR3?=
 =?gb2312?b?ZWVuIHRoZSB2aW1wZXJhdG9yIG1vZGU=?=
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0810120833m17450819t9d869b4a3d6c62d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <768720.28101.qm@web15903.mail.cnb.yahoo.com>

Just use the "gi" command to focus the input???

--- Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com>??:

> when the textareas in the webpage get focus, which
> means that you can type
> something in it, you are in 'insert mode' (you'll
> see --INSERT-- )
> 
> 2008/10/12 ginkgo_w <ginkgo_w at yahoo.com.cn>
> 
> > Hello everyone,
> >    I am a newbie for the vimperator. I notice
> there are some modes in
> > the vimperator. I know the normal mode, caret mode
> and the visual mode.
> > when I press "i" I into the caret mode, then press
> "v" I enter the
> > visual mode.
> > But I want to know how to into the Insert Mode.
> > Someone who knows, please help me.
> >
> > If you can explain how to switch between other
> mode is better
> >
> > regard
> > ginkgo
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Vimperator mailing list
> > Vimperator at mozdev.org
> > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> 



      ___________________________________________________________ 
 ???????????? 
http://cn.mail.yahoo.com/

From mchalkley at mail.com  Sun Oct 12 17:58:38 2008
From: mchalkley at mail.com (Mark Chalkley)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:58:38 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
Message-ID: <20081013005844.79B0884576@mozdev.mozdev.org>

That's a VERY interesting observation, and it seems to illustrate the point I was trying to bring up earlier: more people can and should benefit from Vimperator's feature set than will ever even use a text editor (beyond Notepad, perhaps), much less Vim...

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:25 PM
To: vimperator at mozdev.org
Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs

2008/10/12 Doug Kearns <dougkearns at gmail.com>:
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why not make this patch an independent add-on that can work with Vimperator.
>> I mean other firefox users may need this feature and it would reduce the
>> complexity of Vimperator.
>
> Martin's not interested in that course.
>
> The better question might be why don't you pull it out and package
> separately if you think it's worthwhile? ;-)  It's largely
> self-contained and would be a pretty straight forward project.
>

I should point out that another aspect of Vimperator has been
requested as a separate addon for as long as Vimperator has been
around: Numbered Links.

Truth is, that feature is the reason that I started using Vimperator
(I am not a VIM user), and I am now glad that it was not made into a
separate addon. I now use most of the Vimperator features and I love
it.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?

?-?-?-?-?-?-?
_______________________________________________
Vimperator mailing list
Vimperator at mozdev.org
https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator


From jhdl at gmx.net  Mon Oct 13 04:11:25 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:11:25 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Broken after commit "with (liberator)"?
Message-ID: <20081013111125.GB32032@case.a42.local>

Hi,

being a long time absent, I decided to update vimperator to the last
development (cvs) version (Date:  Mon Oct 13 03:28:27 2008 +0000).

But that doesn't work for me, so I narrowed to the last working
version of the cvs-repro. For me it is the commit:

(I've a local git mirror of the cvs-repro)

  *  commit 48e12464da4cc3a92a096935bb4c5d49fc80eecf
     Author: maglione <maglione>
     Date:   Sun Oct 12 21:40:23 2008 +0000

        Fix history cache


The commit which will break 'my' vimperator is:

  * commit cc4a70eea9d751056049e75b483be7e7823e1e9d
    Author: maglione <maglione>
    Date:   Mon Oct 13 00:50:03 2008 +0000

        with (liberator)

The errors I get with this commit are like this:

  * pressing <H> (back in history):
    Processing keypress event: TypeError: history.stepTo is not a function

  * pressing <M><0> works, :qma<TAB><TAB> -> qmarks  works too, but then
    hitting <RET> agian:
    Processing keypress event: str.substr is not a function

  * pressing <f> or <F> ...:
    Processing keypress event: hints.show is not a function

  * <gt>,<gT> for example works


:version
Vimperator 2.0pre (created: 2008/10/13 10:08:49) running on:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.3) Gecko/2008092816
Iceweasel/3.0.3 (Debian-3.0.3-2)

(cvs-commit 'with (liberator)')

This commit breaks the following commits too:

  *  commit 6973c152910fd06b06d56d9ab1d2df27d768670a
     Author: dougkearns <dougkearns>
     Date:   Mon Oct 13 03:28:27 2008 +0000

         remove the space between tags in :bmarks output

  *  commit e917c780d745d4abf882a21c3e1b1f102007739b
     Author: maglione <maglione>
     Date:   Mon Oct 13 01:29:57 2008 +0000

         Fix ^L and liberator.editor


Do I miss something or is it a bug? The breaking commit has many
changes in many files, that it makes it very different for me to check
it for the bug.

:r! git log --no-color --stat -1 HEAD^^
commit cc4a70eea9d751056049e75b483be7e7823e1e9d
Author: maglione <maglione>
Date:   Mon Oct 13 00:50:03 2008 +0000

    with (liberator)

 src/content/addressbook.js |   40 ++--
 src/content/bookmarks.js   |  274 +++++++++++-----------
 src/content/buffer.js      |  552 +++++++++++++++++++++---------------------
 src/content/commands.js    |   64 +++---
 src/content/completion.js  |  114 +++++-----
 src/content/editor.js      |  339 +++++++++++++-------------
 src/content/events.js      |  567 ++++++++++++++++++++++----------------------
 src/content/find.js        |  112 +++++-----
 src/content/hints.js       |  181 +++++++-------
 src/content/io.js          |  171 +++++++-------
 src/content/liberator.js   |   16 +-
 src/content/mail.js        |  350 ++++++++++++++--------------
 src/content/mappings.js    |  130 +++++------
 src/content/modes.js       |  110 ++++-----
 src/content/muttator.js    |   44 ++--
 src/content/options.js     |  215 +++++++++---------
 src/content/tabs.js        |  284 +++++++++++-----------
 src/content/template.js    |   16 +-
 src/content/ui.js          |  335 +++++++++++++-------------
 src/content/util.js        |   24 +-
 src/content/vimperator.js  |  134 ++++++------
 21 files changed, 2025 insertions(+), 2047 deletions(-)

cu
Juergen


From jhdl at gmx.net  Mon Oct 13 04:19:09 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:19:09 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Broken after commit "with (liberator)"?
In-Reply-To: <20081013111125.GB32032@case.a42.local>
References: <20081013111125.GB32032@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: <20081013111909.GC32032@case.a42.local>

Quoting Juergen Descher <jhdl at gmx.net> (Mo, 13 Okt 2008, 13:11:25):
> Do I miss something or is it a bug? The breaking commit has many
> changes in many files, that it makes it very different for me to check
s/different/difficult/

From jhdl at gmx.net  Mon Oct 13 04:46:01 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:46:01 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Fix hints mapping to work with the
	with	(liberator) change
In-Reply-To: <20081013111125.GB32032@case.a42.local>
References: <20081013111125.GB32032@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: <20081013114601.GD32032@case.a42.local>

Inspired from the last commit of 'dpb', here is a fix for the hints
mappings.

cu
Juergen



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From dougkearns at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 04:50:21 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:50:21 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] Broken after commit "with (liberator)"?
In-Reply-To: <20081013111125.GB32032@case.a42.local>
References: <20081013111125.GB32032@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0810130450tb7f2979kff5a51a932779ea2@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Juergen Descher <jhdl at gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> being a long time absent, I decided to update vimperator to the last
> development (cvs) version (Date:  Mon Oct 13 03:28:27 2008 +0000).
>
> But that doesn't work for me, so I narrowed to the last working
> version of the cvs-repro. For me it is the commit:

We're aware of the problem, please don't spend any further time trying
to track it down.  I suggest you just go with an earlier build until
it is sorted out.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Doug

From jhdl at gmx.net  Mon Oct 13 04:59:05 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:59:05 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Broken after commit "with (liberator)"?
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0810130450tb7f2979kff5a51a932779ea2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081013111125.GB32032@case.a42.local>
	<644fc65e0810130450tb7f2979kff5a51a932779ea2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081013115905.GE32032@case.a42.local>

Quoting Doug Kearns <dougkearns at gmail.com> (Mo, 13 Okt 2008, 22:50:21):
> We're aware of the problem, please don't spend any further time trying
> to track it down.  I suggest you just go with an earlier build until
> it is sorted out.
 
Thanks for the quick response!

Juergen


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Oct 13 07:09:00 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:09:00 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Repeating with "."
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0810110712n56142e4i736d014f363c0b91@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48EF5900.4020805@tedpavlic.com>
	<a28ffaac0810100815o6dcbcea6q77218f5a9f1db69e@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0810110712n56142e4i736d014f363c0b91@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48F3567C.8050108@tedpavlic.com>

It was ":help repeat" that caused me to post this message. I was 
surprised that "." wasn't addressed anywhere in the repeat support.

--Ted

Doug Kearns wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 2:15 AM, Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> yeah, I miss this feature too. Maybe with a start and an end command, "."
>> could be used to perform some pre-recorded macro
> 
> Are you not aware of the current macro commands? See :help repeat
> 
> Doug
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Oct 13 08:39:04 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:39:04 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Repeating with "."
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0810110657l5edb3e5fya19f59aae52ec586@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48EF5900.4020805@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0810110657l5edb3e5fya19f59aae52ec586@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48F36B98.9070405@tedpavlic.com>

> No, that is trivial, of course.  I think the reality is that none of us
> has bothered to determine exactly what should and shouldn't be
> considered a repeatable command.  "." in Vim is not as pervasive as you
> suggest.  For example, ]f can be considered as a rough equivalent of an
> object motion command and these are not repeatable in Vim via ".".

That's a good point. I hadn't thought of that. I wouldn't ever want "." 
to execute the Vim equivalent of "]f", but I might naturally want that 
in Vimperator. But I might execute a few screen movement commands or 
even play around with some text fields before my next "]f". How would 
Vimperator know that "." should redo the "]f" and not the other commands?

Maybe Vimperator-"." is a Pandora's box.

> That said it looks like you've spurred Kris on enough to make a start
> and "." is now in the repo - thanks Kris.

That will be interesting to see. Cool.

--Ted


> Doug
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Oct 13 08:47:13 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:47:13 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] search-and-replace plugin
In-Reply-To: <48624C21.6040602@gmx.net>
References: <486247D9.8020000@exigenservices.com> <48624C21.6040602@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <48F36D81.1020903@tedpavlic.com>

It appears like ranges:

:%s/test/junk/

don't currently work with searchreplace.js. That is, it tells me that a 
range is not allowed. However, searchreplace.js's documentation (i.e., 
the comments at the top of the script) imply that ranges *should* be 
able to work.

What is the current state of this script? Are ranges allowed? Or will 
that require more work to be done within Vimperator 2.0pre?

Thanks --
Ted

P.S.

This functionality is very nice.

Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
> Konstantin Stepanov wrote:
> 
>> Its 1.2pre vimperator compatible incarnation of my search & replace
>> plugin, implementing :substitute vim command.
> 
> Thanks for the plugin, hopefully some people will like it. Although,
> I'd like that behavior to be directly inside of vimperator (in
> content/editor.js).
> 
> If you want that feature to become standard in all vimperators, I
> would propose this:
> 
> *) changing :s!/.../ to that: - :s/a/b/ just replaces the last
> focused textfield - :%s/a/b/ replaces all text fields, just like vim 
> This would require some changes to the command parser, so it might be
> too difficult. But then I would propose to change the defaults and
> have :s/a/b replace just the last field and :s!/a/b/ to replace all
> fields, this would be more similar to vim's behavior at least.
> 
> *) need some documentation in locale/en-US/various.txt or even better
> in a new file locale/en-US/editing.txt
> 
> *) If possible, change if (...) { to if (...)\n { and ' to " for
> quoting strings.
> 
> Well, but I can understand that this is too much work for you, maybe
> somebody else wants this feature as a core of vimperator and being
> maintained by me in future, so he can do the changes and send me a
> patch rather than a plugin.
> 
> Good work,
> 
> Martin _______________________________________________ Vimperator
> mailing list Vimperator at mozdev.org 
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Oct 13 09:35:36 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:35:36 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
In-Reply-To: <20081011060248.GD11409@jg.home>
References: <20081011060248.GD11409@jg.home>
Message-ID: <48F378D8.80501@tedpavlic.com>

The version of this patch that is currently committed to the repo only 
works on Windows (and Linux?). It has no impact on the Mac. I have:

:set go=bTnN

in my .vimperatorrc. That same guioptions line in Windows gives me the 
tab number in front of the tab title, but it makes no difference on OS X.

 From what I understand, Firefox uses different XUL when running on OS X 
in order make Firefox look more like OS X apps.


(additionally, the "N" guioption doesn't seem to do anything on my 
Windows machine. The tab close box remains on the corner of each tab. It 
doesn't get clobbered by a number)


NOTE: The Fancy Numbered Tabs plugin works on both OS X and Windows 
without any special preparation.


--Ted




Kris Maglione wrote:
> Here's a patch against HEAD to add numbered tabs. I'm not 
> going to commit it without discussion. As for CSS :before and 
> content: not working, it's because XUL uses a different box 
> model than HTML, and Gecko isn't setup to handle them at the 
> moment. Fancy Numbered Tabs... You don't even want to know how 
> it works. It'll make you cry, really (aside from restyling the 
> tabs every 5 milliseconds, the CSS... well, there's a reason 
> it supports only 8 tabs).
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Oct 13 09:50:29 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:50:29 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Plugins not autoloading on OS X
Message-ID: <48F37C55.3010709@tedpavlic.com>

For some reason, I need to put an explicit:

:loadplugins

in my .vimperatorrc to get my plugins to load on OS X. If I omit the 
line, the plugins just don't load. However, with the *exact same* 
vimperatorrc on Windows, all the plugins load.

On OS X, if I do

	:set loadplugins?

I get

	loadplugins

out. So the correct OPTION is set... It's just getting ignored on OS X.

	Thoughts?
	--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From mchalkley at mail.com  Mon Oct 13 10:08:09 2008
From: mchalkley at mail.com (Mark Chalkley)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:08:09 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20081013170813.2DA0449B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

I'm trying to build Vimperator from source, but can't - I've pasted the
output below.  Sorry to bother the list with this, but I wanted to test
the latest, with the numbered tabs, and the liberator fix, but the
snapshot is too old.  I'm afraid I haven't done any XPI development, just
Python, Perl, and a little C#...


D:\Workspace\Vimperator\vimperator.git\src>make xpi
'make' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

D:\Workspace\Vimperator\vimperator.git\src>make xpi
process_begin: CreateProcess(NULL, uname -s, ...) failed.
File not found - *CVS*
process_begin: CreateProcess(NULL, uname -s, ...) failed.
File not found - *CVS*
File not found - *CVS*
process_begin: CreateProcess(NULL, uname -s, ...) failed.
File not found - *CVS*
File not found - *CVS*
process_begin: CreateProcess(NULL, uname -s, ...) failed.
File not found - *CVS*
File not found - *CVS*
File not found - *CVS*
File not found - *CVS*
process_begin: CreateProcess(NULL, uname -s, ...) failed.
The syntax of the command is incorrect.
make: *** [build.2.0pre./xpi/.] Error 1
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From mchalkley at mail.com  Mon Oct 13 10:26:29 2008
From: mchalkley at mail.com (Mark Chalkley)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:26:29 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Building from src
Message-ID: <20081013172630.4599F83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

 I'm trying to build Vimperator from source.  I've pasted the output
below.  I'm afraid I haven't built any XPI's before - my experience (for
the last 10 years or so, anyway) has been with Perl, Python and .NET
stuff.  I'm assuming I need to define a CVS path or something.  Sorry to
bug you guys with this...

D:\Workspace\Vimperator\vimperator.git\src>make xpi
process_begin: CreateProcess(NULL, uname -s, ...) failed.
File not found - *CVS*
process_begin: CreateProcess(NULL, uname -s, ...) failed.
File not found - *CVS*
File not found - *CVS*
process_begin: CreateProcess(NULL, uname -s, ...) failed.
File not found - *CVS*
File not found - *CVS*
process_begin: CreateProcess(NULL, uname -s, ...) failed.
File not found - *CVS*
File not found - *CVS*
File not found - *CVS*
File not found - *CVS*
process_begin: CreateProcess(NULL, uname -s, ...) failed.
The syntax of the command is incorrect.
make: *** [build.2.0pre./xpi/.] Error 1
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From jhdl at gmx.net  Mon Oct 13 11:35:28 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:35:28 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Building from src
In-Reply-To: <20081013172630.4599F83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081013172630.4599F83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <20081013183528.GF32032@case.a42.local>

Hi Mark,

Quoting Mark Chalkley <mchalkley at mail.com> (Mo, 13 Okt 2008, 12:26:29):
>  I'm trying to build Vimperator from source.  I've pasted the output
[...]
> D:\Workspace\Vimperator\vimperator.git\src>make xpi
> process_begin: CreateProcess(NULL, uname -s, ...) failed.
> File not found - *CVS*

You're using windows - right? Do you have such commands like
find, uname, date, pwd ... I don't know. If not, you can try cygwin
  http://www.cygwin.com/ 

>From the wiki: 
  "a collection of tools originally developed by Cygnus Solutions to
  provide in Microsoft Windows a command line and programming interface
  familiar to Unix users."

And you'll need at least asciidoc >8.x to build the doc-files.

I'm using linux and I do not have win, so this is simply a guesswork.

HTH
Juergen

From mchalkley at mail.com  Mon Oct 13 11:55:20 2008
From: mchalkley at mail.com (Mark Chalkley)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:55:20 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Building from src
Message-ID: <20081013185520.5E12D49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

 Yes, using Windoze...  Thanks for the reply.  I do have cygwin
installed, as well as asciidocs and cvs...

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Juergen Descher"
  To: vimperator at mozdev.org
  Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Building from src
  Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:35:28 +0200


  Hi Mark,

  Quoting Mark Chalkley (Mo, 13 Okt 2008, 12:26:29):
  > I'm trying to build Vimperator from source. I've pasted the output
  [...]
  > D:\Workspace\Vimperator\vimperator.git\src>make xpi
  > process_begin: CreateProcess(NULL, uname -s, ...) failed.
  > File not found - *CVS*

  You're using windows - right? Do you have such commands like
  find, uname, date, pwd ... I don't know. If not, you can try cygwin
  http://www.cygwin.com/

  > From the wiki:
  "a collection of tools originally developed by Cygnus Solutions to
  provide in Microsoft Windows a command line and programming interface
  familiar to Unix users."

  And you'll need at least asciidoc >8.x to build the doc-files.

  I'm using linux and I do not have win, so this is simply a guesswork.

  HTH
  Juergen
  _______________________________________________
  Vimperator mailing list
  Vimperator at mozdev.org
  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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From kaz at ogawakaz.com  Mon Oct 13 12:19:18 2008
From: kaz at ogawakaz.com (Guilherme Kazuo Ogawa)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:19:18 -0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Building from src
In-Reply-To: <20081013185520.5E12D49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081013185520.5E12D49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <13b69f3e0810131219q5cc4c828xba6bc55d56c1ab8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark, I've built vimperator on cygwin a number of times. The command line

D:\Workspace\Vimperator\vimperator.git\src>make xpi

makes me suspicious you're not using the actual cygwin environment to
make, because normally it'll display

/cygdrive/d/Workspace/Vimperator/vimperator.git/src $ make xpi

or something close to that. If you want to use microsoft's shell,
you'll have to play around with some paths, probably.

Kazuo


On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Mark Chalkley <mchalkley at mail.com> wrote:
> Yes, using Windoze...  Thanks for the reply.  I do have cygwin installed, as
> well as asciidocs and cvs...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Juergen Descher"
> To: vimperator at mozdev.org
> Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Building from src
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:35:28 +0200
>
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Quoting Mark Chalkley (Mo, 13 Okt 2008, 12:26:29):
>> I'm trying to build Vimperator from source. I've pasted the output
> [...]
>> D:\Workspace\Vimperator\vimperator.git\src>make xpi
>> process_begin: CreateProcess(NULL, uname -s, ...) failed.
>> File not found - *CVS*
>
> You're using windows - right? Do you have such commands like
> find, uname, date, pwd ... I don't know. If not, you can try cygwin
> http://www.cygwin.com/
>
>> From the wiki:
> "a collection of tools originally developed by Cygnus Solutions to
> provide in Microsoft Windows a command line and programming interface
> familiar to Unix users."
>
> And you'll need at least asciidoc >8.x to build the doc-files.
>
> I'm using linux and I do not have win, so this is simply a guesswork.
>
> HTH
> Juergen
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>

From jhdl at gmx.net  Mon Oct 13 12:22:48 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:22:48 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Building from src
In-Reply-To: <20081013185520.5E12D49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081013185520.5E12D49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <20081013192248.GG32032@case.a42.local>

Try this in a cygwin shell in $VIMPERATOR-SRC/

  find content skin -type f -a ! -path '*CVS*' -a -path '*.jsm'

and look for errors. You can just look into the Makefile.common and
check the included commands 'by hand'.

BTW, this "! -path '*CVS*'" just excludes the CVS directories.

No win users here?

From mchalkley at mail.com  Mon Oct 13 12:57:58 2008
From: mchalkley at mail.com (Mark Chalkley)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:57:58 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Building from src
Message-ID: <20081013195758.836EE83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

 Kazuo and Juergen,

You both gave me useful info in tracking this down - I wasn't running
make from the cwgwin environment, but I am now and I'm still getting
essentially the same error:

Mark at CHALKLEY-LAPTOP /cygdrive/d/workspace/vimperator/vimperator.git/src
$ make xpi
File not found - *CVS*
File not found - *CVS*
File not found - *CVS*
File not found - *CVS*
File not found - *CVS*
File not found - *CVS*
File not found - *CVS*
File not found - *CVS*
File not found - *CVS*
The syntax of the command is incorrect.
make: *** [build.2.0pre.CYGWIN_NT-6.0/xpi/.] Error 1

Mark at CHALKLEY-LAPTOP /cygdrive/d/workspace/vimperator/vimperator.git/src
$ 

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Guilherme Kazuo Ogawa"
  To: vimperator at mozdev.org
  Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Building from src
  Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:19:18 -0200


  Hi Mark, I've built vimperator on cygwin a number of times. The
  command line

  D:\Workspace\Vimperator\vimperator.git\src>make xpi

  makes me suspicious you're not using the actual cygwin environment to
  make, because normally it'll display

  /cygdrive/d/Workspace/Vimperator/vimperator.git/src $ make xpi

  or something close to that. If you want to use microsoft's shell,
  you'll have to play around with some paths, probably.

  Kazuo


  On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Mark Chalkley wrote:
  > Yes, using Windoze... Thanks for the reply. I do have cygwin
  installed, as
  > well as asciidocs and cvs...
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Juergen Descher"
  > To: vimperator at mozdev.org
  > Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Building from src
  > Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:35:28 +0200
  >
  >
  > Hi Mark,
  >
  > Quoting Mark Chalkley (Mo, 13 Okt 2008, 12:26:29):
  >> I'm trying to build Vimperator from source. I've pasted the output
  > [...]
  >> D:\Workspace\Vimperator\vimperator.git\src>make xpi
  >> process_begin: CreateProcess(NULL, uname -s, ...) failed.
  >> File not found - *CVS*
  >
  > You're using windows - right? Do you have such commands like
  > find, uname, date, pwd ... I don't know. If not, you can try cygwin
  > http://www.cygwin.com/
  >
  >> From the wiki:
  > "a collection of tools originally developed by Cygnus Solutions to
  > provide in Microsoft Windows a command line and programming
  interface
  > familiar to Unix users."
  >
  > And you'll need at least asciidoc >8.x to build the doc-files.
  >
  > I'm using linux and I do not have win, so this is simply a
  guesswork.
  >
  > HTH
  > Juergen
  > _______________________________________________
  > Vimperator mailing list
  > Vimperator at mozdev.org
  > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
  >
  >
  > _______________________________________________
  > Vimperator mailing list
  > Vimperator at mozdev.org
  > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
  >
  >
  _______________________________________________
  Vimperator mailing list
  Vimperator at mozdev.org
  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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From kaz at ogawakaz.com  Mon Oct 13 15:33:34 2008
From: kaz at ogawakaz.com (Guilherme Kazuo Ogawa)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:33:34 -0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Building from src
In-Reply-To: <20081013195758.836EE83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081013195758.836EE83BE2@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <13b69f3e0810131533y1f8162b9p2f98b7e4f9e8d1a8@mail.gmail.com>

I tried it out right now on cygwin getting sources from the git mirror
on driftaway.org. It really doesn't have the CVS directory, but there
was no problem building it, either.

I tried make jar, make xpi, make clean && make jar, make clean && make
xpi and they all worked fine. My cygwin was updated last week so it's
pretty up to date. I'm running cygwin on an XP that's up to date, too.

Kazuo


On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Mark Chalkley <mchalkley at mail.com> wrote:
> Kazuo and Juergen,
>
> You both gave me useful info in tracking this down - I wasn't running make
> from the cwgwin environment, but I am now and I'm still getting essentially
> the same error:
>
> Mark at CHALKLEY-LAPTOP /cygdrive/d/workspace/vimperator/vimperator.git/src
> $ make xpi
> File not found - *CVS*
> File not found - *CVS*
> File not found - *CVS*
> File not found - *CVS*
> File not found - *CVS*
> File not found - *CVS*
> File not found - *CVS*
> File not found - *CVS*
> File not found - *CVS*
> The syntax of the command is incorrect.
> make: *** [build.2.0pre.CYGWIN_NT-6.0/xpi/.] Error 1
>
> Mark at CHALKLEY-LAPTOP /cygdrive/d/workspace/vimperator/vimperator.git/src
> $
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Guilherme Kazuo Ogawa"
> To: vimperator at mozdev.org
> Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Building from src
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:19:18 -0200
>
>
> Hi Mark, I've built vimperator on cygwin a number of times. The command line
>
> D:\Workspace\Vimperator\vimperator.git\src>make xpi
>
> makes me suspicious you're not using the actual cygwin environment to
> make, because normally it'll display
>
> /cygdrive/d/Workspace/Vimperator/vimperator.git/src $ make xpi
>
> or something close to that. If you want to use microsoft's shell,
> you'll have to play around with some paths, probably.
>
> Kazuo
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Mark Chalkley wrote:
>> Yes, using Windoze... Thanks for the reply. I do have cygwin installed, as
>> well as asciidocs and cvs...
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Juergen Descher"
>> To: vimperator at mozdev.org
>> Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Building from src
>> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:35:28 +0200
>>
>>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> Quoting Mark Chalkley (Mo, 13 Okt 2008, 12:26:29):
>>> I'm trying to build Vimperator from source. I've pasted the output
>> [...]
>>> D:\Workspace\Vimperator\vimperator.git\src>make xpi
>>> process_begin: CreateProcess(NULL, uname -s, ...) failed.
>>> File not found - *CVS*
>>
>> You're using windows - right? Do you have such commands like
>> find, uname, date, pwd ... I don't know. If not, you can try cygwin
>> http://www.cygwin.com/
>>
>>> From the wiki:
>> "a collection of tools originally developed by Cygnus Solutions to
>> provide in Microsoft Windows a command line and programming interface
>> familiar to Unix users."
>>
>> And you'll need at least asciidoc >8.x to build the doc-files.
>>
>> I'm using linux and I do not have win, so this is simply a guesswork.
>>
>> HTH
>> Juergen
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>

From mftian at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 17:51:02 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:51:02 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] buffers/ls command
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0810131751v555d2026sa6c223ec65126226@mail.gmail.com>

When doing buffers/ls command several times continuously, the results will
stack together instead of clearing out the old one. Is it a bug?
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From mchalkley at mail.com  Mon Oct 13 19:17:50 2008
From: mchalkley at mail.com (Mark Chalkley)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:17:50 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Building from src
Message-ID: <20081014021750.8AEED49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

 Very strange.  I just updated my cygwin, reinstalled git, and re-cloned
the repository, but I get the exact same errors...

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Guilherme Kazuo Ogawa"
  To: vimperator at mozdev.org
  Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Building from src
  Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:33:34 -0200


  I tried it out right now on cygwin getting sources from the git
  mirror
  on driftaway.org. It really doesn't have the CVS directory, but there
  was no problem building it, either.

  I tried make jar, make xpi, make clean && make jar, make clean &&
  make
  xpi and they all worked fine. My cygwin was updated last week so it's
  pretty up to date. I'm running cygwin on an XP that's up to date,
  too.

  Kazuo


  On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Mark Chalkley wrote:
  > Kazuo and Juergen,
  >
  > You both gave me useful info in tracking this down - I wasn't
  running make
  > from the cwgwin environment, but I am now and I'm still getting
  essentially
  > the same error:
  >
  > Mark at CHALKLEY-LAPTOP
  /cygdrive/d/workspace/vimperator/vimperator.git/src
  > $ make xpi
  > File not found - *CVS*
  > File not found - *CVS*
  > File not found - *CVS*
  > File not found - *CVS*
  > File not found - *CVS*
  > File not found - *CVS*
  > File not found - *CVS*
  > File not found - *CVS*
  > File not found - *CVS*
  > The syntax of the command is incorrect.
  > make: *** [build.2.0pre.CYGWIN_NT-6.0/xpi/.] Error 1
  >
  > Mark at CHALKLEY-LAPTOP
  /cygdrive/d/workspace/vimperator/vimperator.git/src
  > $
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Guilherme Kazuo Ogawa"
  > To: vimperator at mozdev.org
  > Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Building from src
  > Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:19:18 -0200
  >
  >
  > Hi Mark, I've built vimperator on cygwin a number of times. The
  command line
  >
  > D:\Workspace\Vimperator\vimperator.git\src>make xpi
  >
  > makes me suspicious you're not using the actual cygwin environment
  to
  > make, because normally it'll display
  >
  > /cygdrive/d/Workspace/Vimperator/vimperator.git/src $ make xpi
  >
  > or something close to that. If you want to use microsoft's shell,
  > you'll have to play around with some paths, probably.
  >
  > Kazuo
  >
  >
  > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Mark Chalkley wrote:
  >> Yes, using Windoze... Thanks for the reply. I do have cygwin
  installed, as
  >> well as asciidocs and cvs...
  >>
  >> ----- Original Message -----
  >> From: "Juergen Descher"
  >> To: vimperator at mozdev.org
  >> Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Building from src
  >> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:35:28 +0200
  >>
  >>
  >> Hi Mark,
  >>
  >> Quoting Mark Chalkley (Mo, 13 Okt 2008, 12:26:29):
  >>> I'm trying to build Vimperator from source. I've pasted the
  output
  >> [...]
  >>> D:\Workspace\Vimperator\vimperator.git\src>make xpi
  >>> process_begin: CreateProcess(NULL, uname -s, ...) failed.
  >>> File not found - *CVS*
  >>
  >> You're using windows - right? Do you have such commands like
  >> find, uname, date, pwd ... I don't know. If not, you can try
  cygwin
  >> http://www.cygwin.com/
  >>
  >>> From the wiki:
  >> "a collection of tools originally developed by Cygnus Solutions to
  >> provide in Microsoft Windows a command line and programming
  interface
  >> familiar to Unix users."
  >>
  >> And you'll need at least asciidoc >8.x to build the doc-files.
  >>
  >> I'm using linux and I do not have win, so this is simply a
  guesswork.
  >>
  >> HTH
  >> Juergen
  >> _______________________________________________
  >> Vimperator mailing list
  >> Vimperator at mozdev.org
  >> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
  >>
  >>
  >> _______________________________________________
  >> Vimperator mailing list
  >> Vimperator at mozdev.org
  >> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
  >>
  >>
  > _______________________________________________
  > Vimperator mailing list
  > Vimperator at mozdev.org
  > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
  >
  >
  > _______________________________________________
  > Vimperator mailing list
  > Vimperator at mozdev.org
  > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
  >
  >
  _______________________________________________
  Vimperator mailing list
  Vimperator at mozdev.org
  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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From marffin at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 19:28:49 2008
From: marffin at gmail.com (Xilybne)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:28:49 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] tabnumber in problem with TreeStyleTab
Message-ID: <b63926740810131928jee637feva8d42efb7dd5791c@mail.gmail.com>

hi, I've been using Vimperator for a while. Just now I checked out the cvs
and found that the newly added tabnumber doesn't work very well with another
extension TreeStyleTab. The reason is that they both try to extend the
tabbrowser-tab by XBL. Here I suggest if it is possible to give an option
that could disable the binding with the new tabbrowser-tab so they could get
along well? I really like Vimperator and TreeStyleTab both
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 19:37:15 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:37:15 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] tabnumber in problem with TreeStyleTab
In-Reply-To: <b63926740810131928jee637feva8d42efb7dd5791c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b63926740810131928jee637feva8d42efb7dd5791c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081014023715.GB3635@jg.home>

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:28:49AM +0800, Xilybne wrote:
>hi, I've been using Vimperator for a while. Just now I checked out the cvs
>and found that the newly added tabnumber doesn't work very well with another
>extension TreeStyleTab. The reason is that they both try to extend the
>tabbrowser-tab by XBL. Here I suggest if it is possible to give an option
>that could disable the binding with the new tabbrowser-tab so they could get
>along well? I really like Vimperator and TreeStyleTab both

I rather think the feature will need some reworking. It *is* 
possible to enable the binding optionally, but, unfortunately, 
it would require writing a separate stylesheet. I'll think about 
how to make it work. For now, you can comment out the line in 
liberator.css, but that's about it.


-- 
Kris Maglione

Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability.
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


From redkazuo at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 18:17:29 2008
From: redkazuo at gmail.com (Guilherme Kazuo Ogawa)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:17:29 -0200
Subject: [Vimperator] buffers/ls command
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0810131751v555d2026sa6c223ec65126226@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0810131751v555d2026sa6c223ec65126226@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <13b69f3e0810131817t440c2e18h3cf65d4b80b8b09d@mail.gmail.com>

Vim has the same behavior, so I guess not. :)


On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com> wrote:
> When doing buffers/ls command several times continuously, the results will
> stack together instead of clearing out the old one. Is it a bug?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>

From stubenschrott at gmx.net  Mon Oct 13 23:37:57 2008
From: stubenschrott at gmx.net (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:37:57 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Building from src
In-Reply-To: <20081014021750.8AEED49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081014021750.8AEED49B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <48F43E45.4000203@gmx.net>

On 2008-10-14 04:17, Mark Chalkley wrote:

> Very strange.  I just updated my cygwin, reinstalled git, and re-cloned
> the repository, but I get the exact same errors...

Did you also update "make", "sed" and "perl" which are required to build?

--
Martin

From dpb at driftaway.org  Tue Oct 14 00:26:44 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:26:44 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
In-Reply-To: <48F378D8.80501@tedpavlic.com>
References: <20081011060248.GD11409@jg.home> <48F378D8.80501@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230810140026g48eac5f8v89291e39fe06f2a8@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/13 Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>:
> The version of this patch that is currently committed to the repo only works
> on Windows (and Linux?). It has no impact on the Mac. I have:
>
> :set go=bTnN
>
> in my .vimperatorrc. That same guioptions line in Windows gives me the tab
> number in front of the tab title, but it makes no difference on OS X.
>
> From what I understand, Firefox uses different XUL when running on OS X in
> order make Firefox look more like OS X apps.
>
>
> (additionally, the "N" guioption doesn't seem to do anything on my Windows
> machine. The tab close box remains on the corner of each tab. It doesn't get
> clobbered by a number)
>
>
> NOTE: The Fancy Numbered Tabs plugin works on both OS X and Windows without
> any special preparation.

Patches are always welcome. ;)

--
Daniel

From dpb at driftaway.org  Tue Oct 14 00:31:25 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:31:25 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20081013170813.2DA0449B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081013170813.2DA0449B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230810140031j25629a0ak6829808a820bc885@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/13 Mark Chalkley <mchalkley at mail.com>:
> I'm trying to build Vimperator from source, but can't - I've pasted the
> output below.  Sorry to bother the list with this, but I wanted to test the
> latest, with the numbered tabs, and the liberator fix, but the snapshot is
> too old.  I'm afraid I haven't done any XPI development, just Python, Perl,
> and a little C#...
>
>
> D:\Workspace\Vimperator\vimperator.git\src>make xpi
> 'make' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
> operable program or batch file.
>
> D:\Workspace\Vimperator\vimperator.git\src>make xpi
> process_begin: CreateProcess(NULL, uname -s, ...) failed.
> File not found - *CVS*
> process_begin: CreateProcess(NULL, uname -s, ...) failed.
> File not found - *CVS*
> File not found - *CVS*
> process_begin: CreateProcess(NULL, uname -s, ...) failed.
> File not found - *CVS*
> File not found - *CVS*
> process_begin: CreateProcess(NULL, uname -s, ...) failed.
> File not found - *CVS*
> File not found - *CVS*
> File not found - *CVS*
> File not found - *CVS*
> process_begin: CreateProcess(NULL, uname -s, ...) failed.
> The syntax of the command is incorrect.
> make: *** [build.2.0pre./xpi/.] Error 1

Building it in Windows isn't supported, sorry. :/

--
Daniel

From jhdl at gmx.net  Tue Oct 14 00:37:13 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:37:13 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Broken after commit "with (liberator)"?
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0810130450tb7f2979kff5a51a932779ea2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081013111125.GB32032@case.a42.local>
	<644fc65e0810130450tb7f2979kff5a51a932779ea2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081014073713.GA6472@case.a42.local>

Hi Doug,

Quoting Doug Kearns <dougkearns at gmail.com> (Mo, 13 Okt 2008, 22:50:21):
> 
> We're aware of the problem, please don't spend any further time trying

Please, could you drop a line here, and/or a expressive commit message
when the problem is (mainly) solved?


BTW, doing such big changes, why don't do it on a (experimental)
branch? If vimperator gets unusable because of heavy changes, (without
any note about it - sorry if I missed that) you might loose some
faithful beta tester ;>

If something like this happens, you could revert the last commits on
the 'devel' branch - which seems to be the main, master, trunk or
whatever you call it - and put them onto its own branch to solve the
problem, finally merge it back into the master ... Yes, this forces
some extra work and communication with the developers, I know.

Regards
Juergen

From dpb at driftaway.org  Tue Oct 14 00:41:57 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:41:57 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Broken after commit "with (liberator)"?
In-Reply-To: <20081014073713.GA6472@case.a42.local>
References: <20081013111125.GB32032@case.a42.local>
	<644fc65e0810130450tb7f2979kff5a51a932779ea2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081014073713.GA6472@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: <dd9711230810140041pba3e89bwfd3b9cc456df3ef4@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/14 Juergen Descher <jhdl at gmx.net>:
> Hi Doug,
>
> Quoting Doug Kearns <dougkearns at gmail.com> (Mo, 13 Okt 2008, 22:50:21):
>>
>> We're aware of the problem, please don't spend any further time trying
>
> Please, could you drop a line here, and/or a expressive commit message
> when the problem is (mainly) solved?
>
>
> BTW, doing such big changes, why don't do it on a (experimental)
> branch? If vimperator gets unusable because of heavy changes, (without
> any note about it - sorry if I missed that) you might loose some
> faithful beta tester ;>
>
> If something like this happens, you could revert the last commits on
> the 'devel' branch - which seems to be the main, master, trunk or
> whatever you call it - and put them onto its own branch to solve the
> problem, finally merge it back into the master ... Yes, this forces
> some extra work and communication with the developers, I know.

Because working with branches in CVS is a pain in the ass. (Well,
working with CVS any other way too..)

Hopefully we're moving to git sometime in the near future that will
enable the use of branches much more easily.

--
Daniel

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 00:48:19 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:48:19 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Broken after commit "with (liberator)"?
In-Reply-To: <20081014073713.GA6472@case.a42.local>
References: <20081013111125.GB32032@case.a42.local>
	<644fc65e0810130450tb7f2979kff5a51a932779ea2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081014073713.GA6472@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: <20081014074819.GC3635@jg.home>

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 09:37:13AM +0200, Juergen Descher wrote:
>BTW, doing such big changes, why don't do it on a (experimental)
>branch? If vimperator gets unusable because of heavy changes, (without
>any note about it - sorry if I missed that) you might loose some
>faithful beta tester ;>
>
>If something like this happens, you could revert the last commits on
>the 'devel' branch - which seems to be the main, master, trunk or
>whatever you call it - and put them onto its own branch to solve the
>problem, finally merge it back into the master ... Yes, this forces
>some extra work and communication with the developers, I know.

Because CVS is an outdated heap of rubbish, and branching and 
merging is the equivalent of a self-administered root canal. 
This actually wasn't a major change, but it was late when I 
comitted it, so it didn't get all of the requisite checks. I 
actually fixed some bugs in the process. More, you should expect 
the development head of anything to break from time to time. 
The development head is not for beta testers, betas are for beta 
testers. The development head is for developers and enthusiasts 
who don't mind getting their hands dirty.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.
	--Leonardo da Vinci


From dpb at driftaway.org  Tue Oct 14 00:57:06 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:57:06 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Broken after commit "with (liberator)"?
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2008/10/14 Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com>:
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 09:37:13AM +0200, Juergen Descher wrote:
>>
>> BTW, doing such big changes, why don't do it on a (experimental)
>> branch? If vimperator gets unusable because of heavy changes, (without
>> any note about it - sorry if I missed that) you might loose some
>> faithful beta tester ;>
>>
>> If something like this happens, you could revert the last commits on
>> the 'devel' branch - which seems to be the main, master, trunk or
>> whatever you call it - and put them onto its own branch to solve the
>> problem, finally merge it back into the master ... Yes, this forces
>> some extra work and communication with the developers, I know.
>
> Because CVS is an outdated heap of rubbish, and branching and merging is the
> equivalent of a self-administered root canal. This actually wasn't a major
> change, but it was late when I comitted it, so it didn't get all of the
> requisite checks. I actually fixed some bugs in the process. More, you
> should expect the development head of anything to break from time to time.
> The development head is not for beta testers, betas are for beta testers.
> The development head is for developers and enthusiasts who don't mind
> getting their hands dirty.

We don't put out any betas though, so dunno what they can test... :)

--
Daniel

From jhdl at gmx.net  Tue Oct 14 01:12:39 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:12:39 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Broken after commit "with (liberator)"?
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Quoting Daniel Bainton <dpb at driftaway.org> (Di, 14 Okt 2008, 10:41:57):
> 2008/10/14 Juergen Descher <jhdl at gmx.net>:
> > [...]
> 
> Because working with branches in CVS is a pain in the ass. (Well,
> working with CVS any other way too..)

I see, ACK! Cause of that I have a local 'git-clone' for tracking the
changes, it's just fine :)

> Hopefully we're moving to git sometime in the near future that will
> enable the use of branches much more easily.

It's very simple, just import the CVS repro with git-cvsimport into a
git repro, and host it for example on: http://repo.or.cz. Make a last
commit to the CVS with a message that describes the change to git and
you're fine. The git commands needed for the way you and the trackers
are using CVS can be counted by the fingers of one hand ;>

Regards
Juergen

From jhdl at gmx.net  Tue Oct 14 01:20:04 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:20:04 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Broken after commit "with (liberator)"?
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Quoting Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> (Di, 14 Okt 2008, 03:48:19):
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 09:37:13AM +0200, Juergen Descher wrote:
>> BTW, doing such big changes, why don't do it on a (experimental)
>> branch? If vimperator gets unusable because of heavy changes, (without
>> any note about it - sorry if I missed that) you might loose some
>> faithful beta tester ;>
>>
>> If something like this happens, you could revert the last commits on
>> the 'devel' branch - which seems to be the main, master, trunk or
>> whatever you call it - and put them onto its own branch to solve the
>> problem, finally merge it back into the master ... Yes, this forces
>> some extra work and communication with the developers, I know.
>
> Because CVS is an outdated heap of rubbish, and branching and merging is 
> the equivalent of a self-administered root canal. This actually wasn't a 
> major change, but it was late when I comitted it, so it didn't get all of 
> the requisite checks. I actually fixed some bugs in the process. More, 
> you should expect the development head of anything to break from time to 
> time. The development head is not for beta testers, betas are for beta  
> testers. The development head is for developers and enthusiasts who don't 
> mind getting their hands dirty.

Please, keep in mind: I didn't want to blame anyone of the gread
developers! I like vimperator very much and I like to be 'nearly' in
sync with your great work too! So, that what I said here are my 2
cents of a happy user, having a prospect of the users side.

Regards
Juergen

From mchalkley at mail.com  Tue Oct 14 03:38:21 2008
From: mchalkley at mail.com (Mark Chalkley)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 05:38:21 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Building under Windows not supported...
Message-ID: <20081014103821.96E2549B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

 Thanks - that explains that.  So those who successfully built it under
Windows were using a different repository?

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Daniel Bainton"
  To: vimperator at mozdev.org
  Subject: Re: [Vimperator] (no subject)
  Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:31:25 +0300


  Building it in Windows isn't supported, sorry. :/

  --
  Daniel
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From mchalkley at mail.com  Tue Oct 14 04:43:13 2008
From: mchalkley at mail.com (Mark Chalkley)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:43:13 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Snapshots for us poor Windoze users...
Message-ID: <20081014114314.3384683985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Since us poor Windoze users (and fwiw, I'd use Linux myself if my
employment permitted it...) can't build Vimperator, is there a snapshot
repository of xpi's that's updated more often than once per day?  I don't
mean to be ungrateful, but yesterday's and today's snapshots are broken
('f|F' doesn't work, for example), and I gather from the commit log that
it's been fixed...

In any case, it would seem to be of some value to the development process
for us Windows stepchildren to be able to test the current build, too...
;)

Mark
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From dpb at driftaway.org  Tue Oct 14 04:48:25 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:48:25 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Building under Windows not supported...
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Wasn't thinking about Cygwin at that time, and didn't notice the other
thread before replying.

It should work with Cygwin if you have all the right tools needed
there (but still, not *officially* supported..)

--
Daniel

2008/10/14 Mark Chalkley <mchalkley at mail.com>:
> Thanks - that explains that.  So those who successfully built it under
> Windows were using a different repository?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Bainton"
> To: vimperator at mozdev.org
> Subject: Re: [Vimperator] (no subject)
> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:31:25 +0300
>
>
> Building it in Windows isn't supported, sorry. :/
>
> --
> Daniel
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

From dpb at driftaway.org  Tue Oct 14 04:52:56 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:52:56 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Snapshots for us poor Windoze users...
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2008/10/14 Mark Chalkley <mchalkley at mail.com>:
> Since us poor Windoze users (and fwiw, I'd use Linux myself if my employment
> permitted it...) can't build Vimperator, is there a snapshot repository of
> xpi's that's updated more often than once per day?  I don't mean to be
> ungrateful, but yesterday's and today's snapshots are broken ('f|F' doesn't
> work, for example), and I gather from the commit log that it's been fixed...
>
> In any case, it would seem to be of some value to the development process
> for us Windows stepchildren to be able to test the current build, too... ;)

The snapshots are build from CVS HEAD, which is highly developed. It
breaks now and then and there's really nothing we can do about that.
If a snapshot is broken, use an older snapshot that works.

Atleast I wont provide more than one per day. Does *any* project
provide snapshots more often? They're called "nightly snapshots" for a
reason, that is, they are built once a "night".

--
Daniel

From mftian at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 05:02:44 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:02:44 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Snapshots for us poor Windoze users...
In-Reply-To: <20081014114314.3384683985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081014114314.3384683985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
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If you really want to use the latest version and are familiar with firefox
extension development, just checkout the cvs and modify chrome.manifest and
install.rdf, and update your original one to make Vimperator run. This is
not the best choice but at least it works

2008/10/14 Mark Chalkley <mchalkley at mail.com>

> Since us poor Windoze users (and fwiw, I'd use Linux myself if my
> employment permitted it...) can't build Vimperator, is there a snapshot
> repository of xpi's that's updated more often than once per day?  I don't
> mean to be ungrateful, but yesterday's and today's snapshots are broken
> ('f|F' doesn't work, for example), and I gather from the commit log that
> it's been fixed...
>
> In any case, it would seem to be of some value to the development process
> for us Windows stepchildren to be able to test the current build, too... ;)
>
> Mark
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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From mftian at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 05:34:54 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:34:54 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] [feature proposal] tabsearch
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0810140534r491f02c5q1eefa58c74408562@mail.gmail.com>

I ran into an idea about the way one can select a tab: search it just like
search text in a webpage, and I looked up in the official add-on site and
found one which does exactly what I've described:

http://www.semicomplete.com/projects/firefox-tabsearch

This could be a great alternative to numbered-tab
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From dougkearns at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 05:43:17 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:43:17 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] Broken after commit "with (liberator)"?
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On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Juergen Descher <jhdl at gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi Doug,
>
> Quoting Doug Kearns <dougkearns at gmail.com> (Mo, 13 Okt 2008, 22:50:21):
>>
>> We're aware of the problem, please don't spend any further time trying
>
> Please, could you drop a line here, and/or a expressive commit message
> when the problem is (mainly) solved?
>
>
> BTW, doing such big changes, why don't do it on a (experimental)
> branch? If vimperator gets unusable because of heavy changes, (without
> any note about it - sorry if I missed that) you might loose some
> faithful beta tester ;>

Heh, don't shoot the messenger! ;-)

Doug

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 05:45:44 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:45:44 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] Building under Windows not supported...
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On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Daniel Bainton <dpb at driftaway.org> wrote:
> Wasn't thinking about Cygwin at that time, and didn't notice the other
> thread before replying.
>
> It should work with Cygwin if you have all the right tools needed
> there (but still, not *officially* supported..)

Just confirming that it does, in fact, build on Cygwin and has done so
for as long as I can remember.

Doug

From dpb at driftaway.org  Tue Oct 14 06:16:21 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:16:21 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] [feature proposal] tabsearch
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2008/10/14 Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com>:
> I ran into an idea about the way one can select a tab: search it just like
> search text in a webpage, and I looked up in the official add-on site and
> found one which does exactly what I've described:
>
> http://www.semicomplete.com/projects/firefox-tabsearch

Sounds just like what 'b' does in Vimperator if you have set
wildoptions=auto.. <.<

--
Daniel

From jhdl at gmx.net  Tue Oct 14 06:45:43 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:45:43 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Broken after commit "with (liberator)"?
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Quoting Doug Kearns <dougkearns at gmail.com> (Di, 14 Okt 2008, 23:43:17):
[...] 
> Heh, don't shoot the messenger! ;-)

 ... and do not shoot any deputy
 Ooh, ooh, ooh Yeah

LOL
> 

From mftian at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 06:47:14 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:47:14 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] [feature proposal] tabsearch
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Message-ID: <a28ffaac0810140647p73dfe8fehf4278a3a35fc2ffc@mail.gmail.com>

I really didn't get that from the help...

2008/10/14 Daniel Bainton <dpb at driftaway.org>

> 2008/10/14 Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com>:
> > I ran into an idea about the way one can select a tab: search it just
> like
> > search text in a webpage, and I looked up in the official add-on site and
> > found one which does exactly what I've described:
> >
> > http://www.semicomplete.com/projects/firefox-tabsearch
>
> Sounds just like what 'b' does in Vimperator if you have set
> wildoptions=auto.. <.<
>
> --
> Daniel
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 06:56:16 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:56:16 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Snapshots for us poor Windoze users...
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0810140502u5130fcd4gd567739acf0b8f05@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081014114314.3384683985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<a28ffaac0810140502u5130fcd4gd567739acf0b8f05@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081014135616.GD3635@jg.home>

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 08:02:44PM +0800, Xie&Tian wrote:
>If you really want to use the latest version and are familiar with firefox
>extension development, just checkout the cvs and modify chrome.manifest and
>install.rdf, and update your original one to make Vimperator run. This is
>not the best choice but at least it works

There you're wrong. That is the best choice. Pull down a copy 
from CVS, copy the generated docs from a jar, don't modify 
anything, and stick e text file in your extensions directory 
pointing to $CVS_root/src

-- 
Kris Maglione

Mostly, when you see programmers, they aren't doing anything.  One of
the attractive things about programmers is that you cannot tell
whether or not they are working simply by looking at them.  Very often
they're sitting there seemingly drinking coffee and gossiping, or just
staring into space.  What the programmer is trying to do is get a
handle on all the individual and unrelated ideas that are scampering
around in his head.
	--Charles M. Strauss


From mchalkley at mail.com  Tue Oct 14 07:14:15 2008
From: mchalkley at mail.com (Mark Chalkley)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:14:15 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Snapshots for us poor Windoze users...
Message-ID: <20081014141415.7EB5C83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

 I am not familial with xpi development, so I already gave up and went
back to the 10/12 snapshot, so as not to 1) waste any more of the list's
time, and 2) waste any more of my time (it's not that I don't have the
inclination to learn xpi development, it just doesn't work within the
constraints of other priorities at the moment - I have an employer to
keep happy).

However, I would like to be able to stay on the bleeding edge of
Vimperator development (it's a HUGELY fantastic tool, to me), so if I
understood your message correctly, building it isn't even necessary?  If
that's the case, if you have time at some point, can you elaborate just a
bit more on the 2nd and 3rd steps: "copy the generated docs from a jar,
don't modify anything, and stick e text file in your extensions directory
pointing to $CVS_root/src"...

Otherwise, I'll revert to my original plan of giving up (for now, at
least)...

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Kris Maglione"
  To: vimperator at mozdev.org
  Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Snapshots for us poor Windoze users...
  Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:56:16 -0400


  On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 08:02:44PM +0800, Xie&Tian wrote:
  > If you really want to use the latest version and are familiar with
  firefox
  > extension development, just checkout the cvs and modify
  chrome.manifest and
  > install.rdf, and update your original one to make Vimperator run.
  This is
  > not the best choice but at least it works

  There you're wrong. That is the best choice. Pull down a copy from
  CVS, copy the generated docs
  from a jar, don't modify anything, and stick e text file in your
  extensions directory pointing
  to $CVS_root/src

  -- Kris Maglione

  Mostly, when you see programmers, they aren't doing anything. One of
  the attractive things about programmers is that you cannot tell
  whether or not they are working simply by looking at them. Very often
  they're sitting there seemingly drinking coffee and gossiping, or
  just
  staring into space. What the programmer is trying to do is get a
  handle on all the individual and unrelated ideas that are scampering
  around in his head.
  --Charles M. Strauss

  _______________________________________________
  Vimperator mailing list
  Vimperator at mozdev.org
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 07:39:37 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:39:37 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Snapshots for us poor Windoze users...
In-Reply-To: <20081014141415.7EB5C83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
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On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 09:14:15AM -0500, Mark Chalkley wrote:
>However, I would like to be able to stay on the bleeding edge of
>Vimperator development (it's a HUGELY fantastic tool, to me), so if I
>understood your message correctly, building it isn't even necessary?  If
>that's the case, if you have time at some point, can you elaborate just a
>bit more on the 2nd and 3rd steps: "copy the generated docs from a jar,
>don't modify anything, and stick e text file in your extensions directory
>pointing to $CVS_root/src"...

If you unzip the xpi, you'll find a chrome directory, with a 
file content.jar in it. Unzip that, and in the locale/en_US 
directory, you'll find the generated docs. Copy them to the 
src/locale/en_US directory of wherever you've put the CVS root. 
Then, find your FF profile directory. Something like 
"C:\Documents and Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\lkj2kl32.Default\extensions\"
There'll be a directory there called vimperator at mozdev.org, if 
you've vimperator installed already. Remove it, and create a 
text file instead, and in that text file, put the path to your 
CVS checkout, i.e., C:\CVS\vimperator\src

-- 
Kris Maglione

The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should therefore be
regarded as a criminal offense.
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


From mftian at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 07:52:28 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:52:28 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Snapshots for us poor Windoze users...
In-Reply-To: <20081014141415.7EB5C83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081014141415.7EB5C83985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
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the 'xpi' file and 'jar' file are actually zip files, so rename them with
'zip' extension if you have trouble unzip them

2008/10/14 Mark Chalkley <mchalkley at mail.com>

>  I am not familial with xpi development, so I already gave up and went back
> to the 10/12 snapshot, so as not to 1) waste any more of the list's time,
> and 2) waste any more of my time (it's not that I don't have the inclination
> to learn xpi development, it just doesn't work within the constraints of
> other priorities at the moment - I have an employer to keep happy).
>
> However, I would like to be able to stay on the bleeding edge of Vimperator
> development (it's a HUGELY fantastic tool, to me), so if I understood your
> message correctly, building it isn't even necessary?  If that's the case, if
> you have time at some point, can you elaborate just a bit more on the 2nd
> and 3rd steps: "copy the generated docs from a jar, don't modify anything,
> and stick e text file in your extensions directory pointing to
> $CVS_root/src"...
>
> Otherwise, I'll revert to my original plan of giving up (for now, at
> least)...
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kris Maglione"
> To: vimperator at mozdev.org
> Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Snapshots for us poor Windoze users...
> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:56:16 -0400
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 08:02:44PM +0800, Xie&Tian wrote:
> > If you really want to use the latest version and are familiar with
> firefox
> > extension development, just checkout the cvs and modify chrome.manifest
> and
> > install.rdf, and update your original one to make Vimperator run. This is
> > not the best choice but at least it works
>
> There you're wrong. That is the best choice. Pull down a copy from CVS,
> copy the generated docs
> from a jar, don't modify anything, and stick e text file in your extensions
> directory pointing
> to $CVS_root/src
>
> -- Kris Maglione
>
> Mostly, when you see programmers, they aren't doing anything. One of
> the attractive things about programmers is that you cannot tell
> whether or not they are working simply by looking at them. Very often
> they're sitting there seemingly drinking coffee and gossiping, or just
> staring into space. What the programmer is trying to do is get a
> handle on all the individual and unrelated ideas that are scampering
> around in his head.
> --Charles M. Strauss
>
> _______________________________________________
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> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>
>
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From mchalkley at mail.com  Tue Oct 14 08:29:30 2008
From: mchalkley at mail.com (Mark Chalkley)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:29:30 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Snapshots for us poor Windoze users...
Message-ID: <20081014152930.E5ECD83986@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

 That worked - thank you!

Mark

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Kris Maglione"
  To: vimperator at mozdev.org
  Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Snapshots for us poor Windoze users...
  Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:39:37 -0400


  On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 09:14:15AM -0500, Mark Chalkley wrote:
  > However, I would like to be able to stay on the bleeding edge of
  > Vimperator development (it's a HUGELY fantastic tool, to me), so if
  I
  > understood your message correctly, building it isn't even
  necessary? If
  > that's the case, if you have time at some point, can you elaborate
  just a
  > bit more on the 2nd and 3rd steps: "copy the generated docs from a
  jar,
  > don't modify anything, and stick e text file in your extensions
  directory
  > pointing to $CVS_root/src"...

  If you unzip the xpi, you'll find a chrome directory, with a file
  content.jar in it. Unzip that,
  and in the locale/en_US directory, you'll find the generated docs.
  Copy them to the
  src/locale/en_US directory of wherever you've put the CVS root. Then,
  find your FF profile
  directory. Something like "C:\Documents and Settings\Application
  Data\Mozilla\Firefox\lkj2kl32.Default\extensions\"
  There'll be a directory there called vimperator at mozdev.org, if you've
  vimperator installed
  already. Remove it, and create a text file instead, and in that text
  file, put the path to your
  CVS checkout, i.e., C:\CVS\vimperator\src

  -- Kris Maglione

  The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should therefore be
  regarded as a criminal offense.
  --Edsger W. Dijkstra

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From makoto.kaworu at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 06:42:45 2008
From: makoto.kaworu at gmail.com (Makoto kAworu)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:42:45 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] improved hint for french pages
Message-ID: <200810151542.45260.makoto.kaworu@gmail.com>

Hi !
I had some troubles to navigate with hint on french (speacking, not .fr) 
websites. the vimperator's hint don't understand accentuate letter like ??? 
for example. I wrote a one-line patch that seems to work very well (for me). I 
really don't know if it'll break something. If you could apply it, it would be 
really nice for french (speaking) people :)

Thanks.
Perrin Alexandre.

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From dpb at driftaway.org  Wed Oct 15 09:27:02 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:27:02 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] multibyte hints support in the future?
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0810150916q3860cbdbl921b9a0759385d9e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0810150916q3860cbdbl921b9a0759385d9e@mail.gmail.com>
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2008/10/15 Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com>:
> Hi.
>
> As this topic has been discussed in the mailing-list, is there a plan for
> multibyte hints support in future versions? Thanks


You should have mailed the list instead of me...

There are no plans for that, as none of the developers need it.
Someone who needs them could make a plugin or a patch for it.

--
Daniel

From nemolivier at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 09:27:43 2008
From: nemolivier at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Olivier_Gu=C3=A9ry?=)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:27:43 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] improved hint for french pages
In-Reply-To: <200810151542.45260.makoto.kaworu@gmail.com>
References: <200810151542.45260.makoto.kaworu@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c2c86e70810150927u115ddba5w3a2cf1c0a6686e7f@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/15 Makoto kAworu <makoto.kaworu at gmail.com>:
> Hi !
> I had some troubles to navigate with hint on french (speacking, not .fr)
> websites. the vimperator's hint don't understand accentuate letter like ???
> for example. I wrote a one-line patch that seems to work very well (for me). I
> really don't know if it'll break something. If you could apply it, it would be
> really nice for french (speaking) people :)
>
> Thanks.
> Perrin Alexandre.

Accentuated letters works here in hint mode with last CVS (with no patch)

But like tiot, I'd like to be able to remap the <Ctrl>T mode, and hint mode.

Olivier.



-- 
[Message tap? sur un clavier B?po : http://www.clavier-dvorak.org ]
http://nemolivier.blogspot.com

From Daniel.Trstenjak at online.de  Wed Oct 15 10:57:14 2008
From: Daniel.Trstenjak at online.de (Daniel Trstenjak)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:57:14 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] improved hint for french pages
In-Reply-To: <200810151542.45260.makoto.kaworu@gmail.com>
References: <200810151542.45260.makoto.kaworu@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081015175714.GB6222@laptop>


Hi Perrin,

what kind/version of 'hints.js' have you got?

I can't find the function 'getNextHintText' in the current cvs version
nor in the whole vimperator source.


Greetings,
Daniel

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Oct 15 12:25:09 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:25:09 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Broken after commit "with (liberator)"?
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0810130450tb7f2979kff5a51a932779ea2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081013111125.GB32032@case.a42.local>
	<644fc65e0810130450tb7f2979kff5a51a932779ea2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48F64395.6020300@tedpavlic.com>

> We're aware of the problem, please don't spend any further time trying
> to track it down.  I suggest you just go with an earlier build until
> it is sorted out.
> 

For the list's sake (i.e., the non-developers), I'm pretty sure that 
everything is "sorted out" now, right?

That is, as of my most recent pull and update, the hints work again 
(yay). (though I now get a funny "No mappings found." message on startup)

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Oct 15 13:32:25 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:32:25 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Broken after commit "with (liberator)"?
In-Reply-To: <48F64395.6020300@tedpavlic.com>
References: <20081013111125.GB32032@case.a42.local>
	<644fc65e0810130450tb7f2979kff5a51a932779ea2@mail.gmail.com>
	<48F64395.6020300@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <48F65359.2000908@tedpavlic.com>

I take that back. If you want your plugins to work, better stick to the 
old version...

	hg update -r 2211 -C

 From hg log -r 2211:

2211   923766d03263   2008-10-12 23:40 +0200   maglione
   Fix history cache

(so use 923766d03263 instead of 2211 to be safe)

It's exciting to see all of the development after changeset 923766d03263 
(though I'm sure most if it has to do with muttador).

--Ted


Ted Pavlic wrote:
>> We're aware of the problem, please don't spend any further time trying
>> to track it down.  I suggest you just go with an earlier build until
>> it is sorted out.
>>
> 
> For the list's sake (i.e., the non-developers), I'm pretty sure that 
> everything is "sorted out" now, right?
> 
> That is, as of my most recent pull and update, the hints work again 
> (yay). (though I now get a funny "No mappings found." message on startup)
> 
> --Ted
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From milezv at yandex.ru  Thu Oct 16 02:12:50 2008
From: milezv at yandex.ru (Konstantin Stepanov)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:12:50 +0400
Subject: [Vimperator] user commands
In-Reply-To: <20080928003300.GA7782@b2j>
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From cbill.lam at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 07:05:27 2008
From: cbill.lam at gmail.com (bill lam)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:05:27 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] user commands
In-Reply-To: <341661224148370@webmail44.yandex.ru>
References: <20080928003300.GA7782@b2j> <341661224148370@webmail44.yandex.ru>
Message-ID: <20081016140527.GA7168@b2j>

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008, Konstantin Stepanov wrote:

> :map <A-o> :open http://192.168.1.1 <CR>
> :map <C-b> :sidebar Bookmarks<CR>
> 

Thank you Konstantin, this work very well.

-- 
regards,
====================================================
GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24
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From makoto.kaworu at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 10:59:35 2008
From: makoto.kaworu at gmail.com (Makoto kAworu)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:59:35 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] improved hint for french pages
In-Reply-To: <20081015175714.GB6222@laptop>
References: <200810151542.45260.makoto.kaworu@gmail.com>
	<20081015175714.GB6222@laptop>
Message-ID: <200810161959.35793.makoto.kaworu@gmail.com>

On Wednesday 15 October 2008 19:57:14 Daniel Trstenjak wrote:
> Hi Perrin,
>
> what kind/version of 'hints.js' have you got?
>
> I can't find the function 'getNextHintText' in the current cvs version
> nor in the whole vimperator source.
>
>
> Greetings,
> Daniel

Hi Daniel,
I did clone the hg repository. I don't know if it's out of date, or if it 
isn't sync with the CVS, but the hints.js is not the same (not even in the 
same path).
I did co and build the latest CVS version and as Olivier Gu?ry says it works 
very well with accentuated letters. Thanks to you and Olivier.

Regards,
Perrin Alexandre.

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 12:36:48 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:36:48 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] improved hint for french pages
In-Reply-To: <200810161959.35793.makoto.kaworu@gmail.com>
References: <200810151542.45260.makoto.kaworu@gmail.com>
	<20081015175714.GB6222@laptop>
	<200810161959.35793.makoto.kaworu@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081016193648.GA21578@jg.home>

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 07:59:35PM +0200, Makoto kAworu wrote:
>Hi Daniel,
>I did clone the hg repository. I don't know if it's out of date, or if it 
>isn't sync with the CVS, but the hints.js is not the same (not even in the 
>same path).
>I did co and build the latest CVS version and as Olivier Gu?ry says it works 
>very well with accentuated letters. Thanks to you and Olivier.

The hg repository doesn't, unfortunately, remove files that were 
removed from cvs. I suspect that you're looking at 
chrome/content/hints.js, rather than content/hints.js, the 
former of which is ancient, and a ghost of the latter.

-- 
Kris Maglione

APL is a mistake, carried through to perfection.  It is the language
of the future for the programming techniques of the past: it creates a
new generation of coding bums.
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


From rogutes at googlemail.com  Fri Oct 17 03:20:23 2008
From: rogutes at googlemail.com (rogutes at googlemail.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:20:23 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Numbered tabs
In-Reply-To: <48F1A71B.3010300@gmx.net>
References: <20081012030530.8756883985@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
	<48F1A71B.3010300@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20081017102023.GA5662@ugu.dokeda.lt>

Martin Stubenschrott (2008-10-12 09:28):
> On 2008-10-12 05:05, Mark Chalkley wrote:
> 
> > Awesome!  That looks _precisely_ like what I was hoping for - I'm
> > looking forward to it being in the snapshot...
> > 
> > Thanks very much for being willing to add this feature.  How difficult
> > would it be to not require the <return> after b<number> if it's not
> > ambiguous, just like f<number> works?
> 
> It would be special casing the :buffer prompt, which i don't like, use
> 12gt if you want to go to the 12th tab or
> :map b gt
> to use 12b

:map e gt
works fine for going to every tab but the first:

* 4e goes to the fourth tab
* 4gt goes to the fourth tab

* 1e goes one tab forward
* 1gt goes to the first tab
                  ^^^^^
A mapping bug?

-- 
Rogut?s

From steve at grommit.com  Fri Oct 17 11:59:50 2008
From: steve at grommit.com (Stephen Lau)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:59:50 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] snipurl (snurl/snipr) plugin for vimperator
Message-ID: <48F8E0A6.2090306@grommit.com>

I just threw together the attached plugin for Vimperator.  It takes the 
current buffer's URL and automatically generates a SnipURL (an 
abbreviated/short URL service like TinyURL) for it and copies it to the 
clipboard automatically.

I find it extremely useful, hopefully others do too :-)

cheers,
steve

-- 
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From mahefa.randimbisoa at gmail.com  Sat Oct 18 04:01:49 2008
From: mahefa.randimbisoa at gmail.com (mahefa randimbisoa)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:01:49 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] snipurl (snurl/snipr) plugin for vimperator
In-Reply-To: <48F8E0A6.2090306@grommit.com>
References: <48F8E0A6.2090306@grommit.com>
Message-ID: <2ba1fac40810180401l32a88bd6k608167820ce11e5d@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like a is.gd version

is.gd is shorter :)

http://is.gd/

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Stephen Lau <steve at grommit.com> wrote:
> I just threw together the attached plugin for Vimperator.  It takes the
> current buffer's URL and automatically generates a SnipURL (an
> abbreviated/short URL service like TinyURL) for it and copies it to the
> clipboard automatically.
>
> I find it extremely useful, hopefully others do too :-)
>
> cheers,
> steve
>
> --
> stephen lau | steve at grommit.com | www.whacked.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>



-- 
Work hard at whatever you do! (Ecc. 9. 10a, CEV)
Mahefa

From steve at grommit.com  Sat Oct 18 10:29:37 2008
From: steve at grommit.com (Stephen Lau)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:29:37 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] snipurl (snurl/snipr) plugin for vimperator
In-Reply-To: <2ba1fac40810180401l32a88bd6k608167820ce11e5d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48F8E0A6.2090306@grommit.com>
	<2ba1fac40810180401l32a88bd6k608167820ce11e5d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48FA1D01.6040807@grommit.com>

Here's an updated script that has both snipr/snurl & is.gd support.  
There is an ":isgd" command.  It also now echos to the command area the 
new short URL.

cheers,
steveopen

On 10/18/08 4:01 AM, mahefa randimbisoa wrote:
> I'd like a is.gd version
>
> is.gd is shorter :)
>
> http://is.gd/
>
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Stephen Lau<steve at grommit.com>  wrote:
>    
>> I just threw together the attached plugin for Vimperator.  It takes the
>> current buffer's URL and automatically generates a SnipURL (an
>> abbreviated/short URL service like TinyURL) for it and copies it to the
>> clipboard automatically.
>>
>> I find it extremely useful, hopefully others do too :-)
>>
>> cheers,
>> steve
>>
>> --
>> stephen lau | steve at grommit.com | www.whacked.net
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>>
>>      
>
>
>
>    


-- 
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From mftian at gmail.com  Sat Oct 18 23:42:46 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:42:46 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] multibyte support for hint mode
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0810182342p1c245433u6d7bd5f6d14a6b85@mail.gmail.com>

hi everybody. So far Vimperator doesn't support multibyte filter in hint
mode, for me, Chinese characters. Attached is a patch to address this
problem. It doesn't change the user experience for alphebetic language
users. I did some tests and fixed every bug I can found. One compromise to
use this patch is that it'd be better to fix the <Leader> to it's default
value "\". I didn't change this part of Vimperator because of the
possibility to break more stuff...

This patch is based on CVS snapshot on Oct. 17th

Please review and apply, thanks


Regards
Xie
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From stubenschrott at gmx.net  Sun Oct 19 10:09:51 2008
From: stubenschrott at gmx.net (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:09:51 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] snipurl (snurl/snipr) plugin for vimperator
In-Reply-To: <48FA1D01.6040807@grommit.com>
References: <48F8E0A6.2090306@grommit.com>	<2ba1fac40810180401l32a88bd6k608167820ce11e5d@mail.gmail.com>
	<48FA1D01.6040807@grommit.com>
Message-ID: <48FB69DF.1070106@gmx.net>

On 2008-10-18 19:29, Stephen Lau wrote:

> Here's an updated script that has both snipr/snurl & is.gd support.  
> There is an ":isgd" command.  It also now echos to the command area the 
> new short URL.

Thanks for the script, I would upload to scripts.html, but we are in the
process of moving all these things to vimperator.org, where you can
upload your scripts yourself.

I'll post an announcement when the homepage is fully done here, then you
can simply add/update them yourself, and everybody can enjoy it.

--
Martin

From didier at bretin.net  Sun Oct 19 11:30:36 2008
From: didier at bretin.net (Didier Bretin)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:30:36 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] snipurl (snurl/snipr) plugin for vimperator
In-Reply-To: <48FB69DF.1070106@gmx.net>
References: <48F8E0A6.2090306@grommit.com>
	<2ba1fac40810180401l32a88bd6k608167820ce11e5d@mail.gmail.com>
	<48FA1D01.6040807@grommit.com> <48FB69DF.1070106@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20081019183036.GA5992@DBN>

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 07:09:51PM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
> Thanks for the script, I would upload to scripts.html, but we are in the
> process of moving all these things to vimperator.org, where you can
> upload your scripts yourself.

Yes ! Trac for vimperator ! Good news :).

-- 
Didier Bretin
http://bretin.net/


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sun Oct 19 11:48:10 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 14:48:10 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] snipurl (snurl/snipr) plugin for vimperator
Message-ID: <20081019184810.GA9654@jg.home>

Hi,

Sorry this is missing thread headers. Anyway, your plugin has a 
few problems.

First,
14     var evalFunc = window.eval;

This won't work. window.eval can only be called as window.eval.  
Second, it's unnecessary, and the test is overwrought. If 
Cu.Sandbox exists, it's safe to assume that evalInSandbox will 
work. If it doesn't exist, you're using FF<1.5, and Vimperator 
won't even run. But, it occurs to me that it's not used anyway, 
so it matters nought.

Third, your users won't know when the response has finished, so 
they may well try to paste the URL before it's in the clipboard, 
which could possibly be disastrous.

Finally, this plugin won't work at all in the next release.

commands.addUserCommand(["snipurl", "snipr"],
     "Generate a SnipURL and copy it to the clipboard",
     function(arg, special) {
         let xhr = new XMLHttpRequest();
         xhr.open("GET", "http://snipr.com/site/snip?r=simple&link=" + buffer.URL, false);
         xhr.send(null);
         let snipr = xhr.responseText;
         util.copyToClipboard(snipr);
         liberator.echo("Yanked snipr URL: " + snipr);
     },
     {
         bang: true
     }
);

-- 
Kris Maglione

When in doubt, use brute force.
	--Ken Thompson


From icebraining at gmail.com  Sun Oct 19 12:44:16 2008
From: icebraining at gmail.com (icebrain)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:44:16 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Plugin 'every'
Message-ID: <48FB8E10.7050400@gmail.com>

This is a plugin that executes a command every specific interval, as 
suggested in the wiki.

Usage:
     :[interval]every [command]

Stops the "running":
     :stopevery

Suggestion:
     :map <C-c> :stopevery

From icebraining at gmail.com  Sun Oct 19 12:54:50 2008
From: icebraining at gmail.com (icebrain)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:54:50 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Plugin 'every'
In-Reply-To: <48FB8E10.7050400@gmail.com>
References: <48FB8E10.7050400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48FB908A.8050003@gmail.com>

icebrain wrote:
> This is a plugin that executes a command every specific interval, as 
> suggested in the wiki.
>
> Usage:
>     :[interval]every [command]
>
> Stops the "running":
>     :stopevery
>
> Suggestion:
>     :map <C-c> :stopevery
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sun Oct 19 13:07:01 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:07:01 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Plugin 'every'
In-Reply-To: <48FB8E10.7050400@gmail.com>
References: <48FB8E10.7050400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081019200701.GB9654@jg.home>

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 08:44:16PM +0100, icebrain wrote:
> Suggestion:
>     :map <C-c> :stopevery

Bad suggestion. The fact that you can map <C-c> is a bug, and 
may well not be the case in the future.

-- 
Kris Maglione

There's no sense being exact about something if you don't even know
what you're talking about.
	--John von Neumann


From stubenschrott at gmx.net  Sun Oct 19 13:23:28 2008
From: stubenschrott at gmx.net (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:23:28 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Plugin 'every'
In-Reply-To: <20081019200701.GB9654@jg.home>
References: <48FB8E10.7050400@gmail.com> <20081019200701.GB9654@jg.home>
Message-ID: <48FB9740.4070002@gmx.net>

On 2008-10-19 22:07, Kris Maglione wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 08:44:16PM +0100, icebrain wrote:
>> Suggestion:
>>     :map <C-c> :stopevery
> 
> Bad suggestion. The fact that you can map <C-c> is a bug, and 
> may well not be the case in the future.
> 

And well, i think :every should be a vimperator default command, and
probably cancelable with <C-c> by default. I'll also change :stopevery to :every! or
just :every, when i find time.

Actually "my" :every command will look like this:

:[repeat]every[!] <spec> <javascript|:command>

<spec> will be a gnu sleep like "20m", "1h20" etc. and [repeat] the number how oft to repeat it.

For now, however, a very nice plugin, thanks.

--
Martin

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Oct 20 07:47:56 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:47:56 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] PATCH: Update to typograph.js for newest Vimperator CVS
Message-ID: <48FC9A1C.50208@tedpavlic.com>

As far as I can tell, the attached patch fixes typograph.js so that it 
works with the latest Vimperator CVS.

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 07:51:57 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:51:57 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] PATCH: Update to typograph.js for
	newest	Vimperator CVS
In-Reply-To: <48FC9A1C.50208@tedpavlic.com>
References: <48FC9A1C.50208@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081020145157.GE9654@jg.home>

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:47:56AM -0400, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> As far as I can tell, the attached patch fixes typograph.js so that it 
> works with the latest Vimperator CVS.

I'd like to suggest that all plugin writers elide the liberator.  
prefix. It won't work in CVS, and they will work just fine in 
the previous release without it.

-- 
Kris Maglione

If the designers of X Windows built cars, there would be no fewer than
five steering wheels hidden about the cockpit, none of which followed
the same principles ? but you?d be able to shift gears with your car
stereo.  Useful feature that.
	--Marcus J. Ranum, DEC


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Oct 20 08:09:54 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:09:54 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] PATCH: Update to httpheaders.js for CVS vimperator
Message-ID: <48FC9F42.5090609@tedpavlic.com>

See attached. Updates httpheaders.js plugin for latest Vimperator CVS 
(i.e., strips out "liberator").

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>
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From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Oct 20 08:34:39 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:34:39 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] PATCH: Update for noscript.js plugin to work with CVS
	Vimperator
Message-ID: <48FCA50F.5020900@tedpavlic.com>

See attached patch (which removes "liberator" so that noscript.js can 
work with CVS Vimp).

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>
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From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Oct 20 08:37:05 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:37:05 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] PATCH: Update to typograph.js for
 newest	Vimperator CVS
In-Reply-To: <20081020145157.GE9654@jg.home>
References: <48FC9A1C.50208@tedpavlic.com> <20081020145157.GE9654@jg.home>
Message-ID: <48FCA5A1.3050405@tedpavlic.com>

It seems like there are still some cases when "liberator." is needed 
(e.g., "liberator.echo").

Is it possible for the "with liberator" to be applied a little more 
generously?

--Ted

Kris Maglione wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:47:56AM -0400, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>> As far as I can tell, the attached patch fixes typograph.js so that it 
>> works with the latest Vimperator CVS.
> 
> I'd like to suggest that all plugin writers elide the liberator.  
> prefix. It won't work in CVS, and they will work just fine in 
> the previous release without it.
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Oct 20 08:40:12 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:40:12 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] PATCH: Update for searchreplace.js to work with CVS
	Vimperator
Message-ID: <48FCA65C.7020508@tedpavlic.com>

See attached. Removes "liberators" to get plugin to load again.

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 08:41:57 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:41:57 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] PATCH: Update to typograph.js for
	newest	Vimperator CVS
In-Reply-To: <48FCA5A1.3050405@tedpavlic.com>
References: <48FC9A1C.50208@tedpavlic.com> <20081020145157.GE9654@jg.home>
	<48FCA5A1.3050405@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081020154157.GF9654@jg.home>

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:37:05AM -0400, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> It seems like there are still some cases when "liberator." is needed (e.g., 
> "liberator.echo").
>
> Is it possible for the "with liberator" to be applied a little more 
> generously?

Actually, we don't use with (liberator) anymore. We added a 
liberator.modules namespace that holds all of our modules, like 
buffer, commands, etc. These can now be accessed directly, as 
modules.foo, or as liberator.modules.foo. Everything else 
directly under liberator, including functions and variables, has 
to be accessed as such. We chose this course for the sake of 
clarity, so if you want to access such things directly, you'll 
have to add with (liberator) yourself.

-- 
Kris Maglione

It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education.
	--Albert Einstein


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Oct 20 09:34:13 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:34:13 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] PATCH: Update to ietab.js for latest Vimperator CVS
Message-ID: <48FCB305.5010600@tedpavlic.com>

See attached patch to ietab.js plugin.

It's an **ATTEMPT** to migrate ietab.js to the latest Vimperator CVS. 
Most of the important ietab functions (e.g., :ie, :ie o, :ie e) seem to 
work well, but some (e.g., ":ie!" and the hints) need help.

This latest batch of patches is my first try at anything related to the 
Vimperator source. I was just tired of these plugins not loading with 
the latest CVS...

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>
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From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Oct 20 09:36:31 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:36:31 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] PATCH: Update to ietab.js for latest Vimperator CVS
Message-ID: <48FCB38F.8050103@tedpavlic.com>

(I posted this message already, but I accidentally gave the attachment a 
".js" extension rather than a ".patch" extension... I'm guessing this 
message will get flagged by fewer mail exchangers)

See attached patch to ietab.js plugin.

It's an **ATTEMPT** to migrate ietab.js to the latest Vimperator CVS.
Most of the important ietab functions (e.g., :ie, :ie o, :ie e) seem to
work well, but some (e.g., ":ie!" and the hints) need help.

This latest batch of patches is my first try at anything related to the
Vimperator source. I was just tired of these plugins not loading with
the latest CVS...

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

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From icebraining at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 10:06:19 2008
From: icebraining at gmail.com (icebrain)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:06:19 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Plugin 'every'
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5016.1224516897.63230.vimperator@mozdev.org>
References: <mailman.5016.1224516897.63230.vimperator@mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <48FCBA8B.9090407@gmail.com>

I've just followed the "instructions" in the wiki, 5m code actually ("it 
works" code :p )

If you plan to add the possibility to execute every hour or so maybe it 
should be possible to schedule more than one command at a time; Maybe 
outputting an id for later be able to cancel it? Or implementing a 
different scheduler for each tab? Maybe allowing the simple ":every!" to 
cancel the last scheduled?

It's not that I see many uses for multi-schedulling, but if you have a 
schedule that has to run every hour it shouldn't stop you from running a 
short, 5 sec command.

From jhdl at gmx.net  Tue Oct 21 14:28:52 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:28:52 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] Fix showing numeric qmarks
Message-ID: <20081021212852.GA14418@case.a42.local>

Hi,

I'll get an error doing:
  :qmarks
or
  :qmarks <numeric-mark>

This happens to numeric quickmarks only. The result is a bad (control)
string for each numeric quickmark in utils.clip(), raising an error like:
  :Processing keypress event: TypeError: str.substr is not a function


:version
Vimperator 2.0pre (created: 2008/10/21 22:58:07) running on:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.3) Gecko/2008092816
Iceweasel/3.0.3 (Debian-3.0.3-2)

The attached patch will fix it for me. Tested with the CVS commit:
"add 'exrc'" from Doug.

Regards
Juergen
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 14:33:58 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:33:58 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] Fix showing numeric qmarks
In-Reply-To: <20081021212852.GA14418@case.a42.local>
References: <20081021212852.GA14418@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: <20081021213358.GA25963@jg.home>

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:28:52PM +0200, Juergen Descher wrote:
index eab6405..befe59e 100644
--- src/content/bookmarks.js
+++ src/content/bookmarks.js
@@ -996,7 +996,7 @@ function QuickMarks() //{{{
                  }
              }
  
-            let items = ({ title: mark, url: qmarks.get(mark) } for each (mark in marks));
+            let items = ({ title: String(mark), url: qmarks.get(mark) } for each (mark in marks));
              let list = template.bookmarks("QuickMark", items);
              commandline.echo(list, commandline.HL_NORMAL, commandline.FORCE_MULTILINE);
          }

-- 
Kris Maglione

If C gives you enough rope to hang yourself, C++ gives you enough rope
to bind and gag your neighbourhood, rig the sails in a small ship and
still have enough rope left to hang yourself from the yardarm.
	--Anonymous


From jhdl at gmx.net  Tue Oct 21 14:42:54 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:42:54 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] Fix showing numeric qmarks
In-Reply-To: <20081021213358.GA25963@jg.home>
References: <20081021212852.GA14418@case.a42.local>
	<20081021213358.GA25963@jg.home>
Message-ID: <20081021214254.GA6141@case.a42.local>

Quoting Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> (Di, 21 Okt 2008, 17:33:58):
> +            let items = ({ title: String(mark), url: qmarks.get(mark) } for each (mark in marks));

:)

-Juergen

From teramako at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 04:58:14 2008
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:58:14 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] Fix hintmatching=custom does'nt work
Message-ID: <6eebba490810220458h33a489abtac2367abdf28bb98@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

when hintmatching options set to "custom", hist does'nt work.
please review and consider applying this patch.


Index: hints.js
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/vimperator/src/content/hints.js,v
retrieving revision 1.91
diff -u -r1.91 hints.js
--- hints.js	17 Oct 2008 12:27:43 -0000	1.91
+++ hints.js	22 Oct 2008 11:49:17 -0000
@@ -534,7 +534,7 @@
             case "contains"      : return containsMatcher(hintString);
             case "wordstartswith": return
wordStartsWithMatcher(hintString, /*allowWordOverleaping=*/ true);
             case "firstletters"  : return
wordStartsWithMatcher(hintString, /*allowWordOverleaping=*/ false);
-            case "custom"        : return
plugins.customHintMatcher(hintString);
+            case "custom"        : return
liberator.plugins.customHintMatcher(hintString);
             default              : liberator.echoerr("Invalid
hintmatching type: " + hintMatching);
         }
         return null;


Best regards.
-- 
teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/

From jhdl at gmx.net  Wed Oct 22 23:28:36 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:28:36 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] Fix argCount in viewsource
Message-ID: <20081023062836.GA18318@case.a42.local>

Hi,

  :h viewsource

  View source code of current document. ...

but one arg is needed - the attached patch will fix it for me.

Patched to CVS:
* commit 59fd54d8f826cf357370cbe255cb17ce11da205e
  Author: stubenschrott <stubenschrott>
  Date:   Tue Oct 21 20:36:03 2008 +0000

      made the Donators file vimperator.org friendly

Best Regards
Juergen
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From jhdl at gmx.net  Wed Oct 22 23:39:28 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:39:28 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] Fix argCount in viewsource
In-Reply-To: <20081023062836.GA18318@case.a42.local>
References: <20081023062836.GA18318@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: <20081023063928.GB18318@case.a42.local>

Sorry,
this should be correct ...


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From jhdl at gmx.net  Thu Oct 23 02:55:20 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:55:20 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] vim-like url '%' for :viewsource
Message-ID: <20081023095520.GC18318@case.a42.local>

Hi,

don't know if you like this...

IMHO specially for Vim users a '%' as an url-shortcut for the current
buffer might be handsome.

Regards
Juergen
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From jhdl at gmx.net  Thu Oct 23 02:59:43 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:59:43 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] vim-like url '%' for :viewsource
In-Reply-To: <20081023095520.GC18318@case.a42.local>
References: <20081023095520.GC18318@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: <20081023095943.GD18318@case.a42.local>

don't know about your whitespace specification, may be you'll prefer
this ...

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From jhdl at gmx.net  Thu Oct 23 04:04:00 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:04:00 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] add completion to :viewscource
Message-ID: <20081023110400.GE18318@case.a42.local>

Just a suggestion ...

Should be enhanced for urls starting with 'file://', but I saw that's
a TODO (for function file(filter, tail) in completion.js ).

-Juergen
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From stubenschrott at gmx.net  Thu Oct 23 04:16:37 2008
From: stubenschrott at gmx.net (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:16:37 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] vim-like url '%' for :viewsource
In-Reply-To: <20081023095943.GD18318@case.a42.local>
References: <20081023095520.GC18318@case.a42.local>
	<20081023095943.GD18318@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: <49005D15.9090404@gmx.net>

On 2008-10-23 11:59, Juergen Descher wrote:

> don't know about your whitespace specification, may be you'll prefer
> this ...
> 
> +            // fake vims '%' for 'current-file'
> +            if (url == '%') { url = ''; }
> +

I would have prefered:

if (url == "%")
    url = "";

(also note the " vs. ')

The reason I will not apply this is that % should be handled more
generic as more commands than just viewsource would benefit from it
and also things like %:h for the host, or %:p for the protocol or
something like that would probably be good.

--
Martin

From stubenschrott at gmx.net  Thu Oct 23 04:31:15 2008
From: stubenschrott at gmx.net (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:31:15 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] add completion to :viewscource
In-Reply-To: <20081023110400.GE18318@case.a42.local>
References: <20081023110400.GE18318@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: <49006083.2000109@gmx.net>

On 2008-10-23 13:04, Juergen Descher wrote:
> completer: function (filter) completion.url(filter)

I am not sure, that's really so often needed but well, I applied it
(together with the argCount patch) as
it really doesn't hurt (with completing just bookmarks and history, no
need for search engines).

Thanks for the nice patches, looking for more now :)

best regards,

Martin

From stubenschrott at gmx.net  Thu Oct 23 04:52:35 2008
From: stubenschrott at gmx.net (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:52:35 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] multibyte support for hint mode
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0810182342p1c245433u6d7bd5f6d14a6b85@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0810182342p1c245433u6d7bd5f6d14a6b85@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49006583.1010607@gmx.net>

On 2008-10-19 08:42, Xie&Tian wrote:

> hi everybody. So far Vimperator doesn't support multibyte filter in hint
> mode, for me, Chinese characters. Attached is a patch to address this
> problem. It doesn't change the user experience for alphebetic language
> users. I did some tests and fixed every bug I can found. One compromise
> to use this patch is that it'd be better to fix the <Leader> to it's
> default value "\". I didn't change this part of Vimperator because of
> the possibility to break more stuff...

While I generally appreciate that patch, it should be done (slightly)
different. You are creating a new textbox just for the hints, while we
already have a good commandline which is just there for this.

You should try to reuse it with:

:javascript commandline.open("Hints (Quick): ", "", modes.HINTS)

and can add a "change" listener whenever the textbox changes and dismiss
the commandline when you are done. Actually the search command "/" does
it very similarly and your patch should be similar to that, have a look
at content/find.js

> This patch is based on CVS snapshot on Oct. 17th
> 
> Please review and apply, thanks

1.) Please make sure the patch has Unix file endings (\n vs. windows
style \r\n) in future, had to change that myself for it to apply.

2.) It beeps on every keystroke, otherwise it seemed to work fine.


Anyway, you really have to reuse the commandline then I'll apply the
patch.

--
Martin

From stubenschrott at gmx.net  Thu Oct 23 11:00:01 2008
From: stubenschrott at gmx.net (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:00:01 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Please move scripts to vimperator.org
Message-ID: <4900BBA1.2010901@gmx.net>

Hi all,

as some already know, we are moving to vimperator.org.
Not all content is there yet, but it's going fairly well.

For that to succeed I hope that all script authors upload their scripts
(from http://vimperator.mozdev.org/scripts.html) to
http://vimperator.org/wiki/Vimperator/Scripts so they will also become
the owner of that "ticket" and can change their properties.

Please also specify for which version the script will work (1.2 or 2.0pre).

For all scripts which haven't been uploaded there within about a week or so,
people can volunteer to become the maintainer (like Ted Pavlic who did
a great work porting them to the new vimperator 2.0pre).

best regards,

Martin

From jhdl at gmx.net  Thu Oct 23 13:02:24 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:02:24 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] vim-like url '%' for :viewsource
In-Reply-To: <49005D15.9090404@gmx.net>
References: <20081023095520.GC18318@case.a42.local>
	<20081023095943.GD18318@case.a42.local> <49005D15.9090404@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20081023200224.GA16778@case.a42.local>

Quoting Martin Stubenschrott <stubenschrott at gmx.net> (Do, 23 Okt 2008, 13:16:37):
> 
> I would have prefered:
> 
> if (url == "%")
>     url = "";
> 
> (also note the " vs. ')

Thanks for enlighten me, hope to keep it in my mind :)

> The reason I will not apply this is that % should be handled more
> generic as more commands than just viewsource would benefit from it
> and also things like %:h for the host, or %:p for the protocol or
> something like that would probably be good.

ACK, I thought of a 'interim solution', but forcing real solutions is
quite right. I would be pleased if completion of a single '%' to the
url of the current buffer will be included in a generic solution,
because familiar to Vim I used intuitively ":view %" - if you think I'm
the only one, just leave it :)

BTW, candidates for '%' are IMHO ':tabopen' as an intuitively
equivalent to ':tabd' and ':viewsource', even some more; and
run-commands like:
  ':run wget -r -np -q -P /tmp %'
  ':run lynx --dump %  > /tmp/vimp-org-trac.html'
if ':run' has/gets a completion and stdout redirection will work :)

Regards
Juergen


From jhdl at gmx.net  Thu Oct 23 13:12:04 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:12:04 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] add completion to :viewscource
In-Reply-To: <49006083.2000109@gmx.net>
References: <20081023110400.GE18318@case.a42.local> <49006083.2000109@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20081023201204.GA32538@case.a42.local>

Quoting Martin Stubenschrott <stubenschrott at gmx.net> (Do, 23 Okt 2008, 13:31:15):
> On 2008-10-23 13:04, Juergen Descher wrote:
> > completer: function (filter) completion.url(filter)
> 
> I am not sure, that's really so often needed but well, I applied it

Not needed often - sure about that, but it's IMHO nice to be confirm
with i.e. the ":open" command (for this I would like to see an alias
':vi[ew]' and then indeed ':views[ourcs] -but anyway). 
(vim)
  :h open
  [...]
  This command is in Vi, but Vim only simulates it:
  
						*:o* *:op* *:open*
  :[range]o[pen]
  [...]

(So I never used ':open' in vim - always :vi and :e)


It would be nice if the '[t]open/view' commands could be used like:
  :open file:///dir/fil<tab>
which should enable the file completion-mode (only). Or may be it's
more handy to add a special ':openf[ile]' cmd with that file
completion-mode?

Regards
Juergen

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 14:20:31 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:20:31 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] vim-like url '%' for :viewsource
In-Reply-To: <20081023200224.GA16778@case.a42.local>
References: <20081023095520.GC18318@case.a42.local>
	<20081023095943.GD18318@case.a42.local> <49005D15.9090404@gmx.net>
	<20081023200224.GA16778@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: <20081023212031.GD25963@jg.home>

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:02:24PM +0200, Juergen Descher wrote:
>  ':run lynx --dump %  > /tmp/vimp-org-trac.html'

:w !htmlfmt >/tmp/vimp-org-trac.txt

-- 
Kris Maglione

The programmer, who needs clarity, who must talk all day to a machine
that demands declarations, hunkers down into a low-grade annoyance.
It is here that the stereotype of the programmer, sitting in a dim
room, growling from behind Coke cans, has its origins.  The disorder
of the desk, the floor; the yellow Post-It notes everywhere; the
whiteboards covered with scrawl: all this is the outward manifestation
of the messiness of human thought.  The messiness cannot go into the
program; it piles up around the programmer.
	--Ellen Ullman


From dotancohen at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 13:23:55 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:23:55 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Hebrew layout map
Message-ID: <880dece00810231323h98aee96r6f823e1dc281289b@mail.gmail.com>

As bug #18357 (Modifier keys dont work in russian keyboard layout) was
closed as WONTFIX, here is a remapping for Hebrew:

:map / q
:map ' w
:map ? e
:map ? r
:map ? t
:map ? y
:map ? u
:map ? i
:map ? o
:map ? p
:map ? a
:map ? s
:map ? d
:map ? f
:map ? g
:map ? h
:map ? j
:map ? k
:map ? l
:map ? z
:map ? x
:map ? c
:map ? v
:map ? b
:map ? n
:map ? m

Please add it to wherever these things are stored for other users. Thanks!

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?

?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From stubenschrott at gmx.net  Thu Oct 23 14:54:30 2008
From: stubenschrott at gmx.net (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:54:30 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Hebrew layout map
In-Reply-To: <880dece00810231323h98aee96r6f823e1dc281289b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00810231323h98aee96r6f823e1dc281289b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4900F296.6010907@gmx.net>

On 2008-10-23 22:23, Dotan Cohen wrote:

> As bug #18357 (Modifier keys dont work in russian keyboard layout) was
> closed as WONTFIX, here is a remapping for Hebrew:
> 
> :map / q
> :map ' w
> :map ? e
> :map ? r
> :map ? t
> :map ? y
> :map ? u
> :map ? i
> :map ? o
> :map ? p
> :map ? a
> :map ? s
> :map ? d
> :map ? f
> :map ? g
> :map ? h
> :map ? j
> :map ? k
> :map ? l
> :map ? z
> :map ? x
> :map ? c
> :map ? v
> :map ? b
> :map ? n
> :map ? m
> 
> Please add it to wherever these things are stored for other users. Thanks!

Things are now stored at vimperator.org, either as a tip or even better
as a "script" (hebrew.js) which can be put in ~/.vimperator/plugin/

Now you can even add it yourself, instead of requiring an admin.

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 14:59:07 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:59:07 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Hebrew layout map
In-Reply-To: <4900F296.6010907@gmx.net>
References: <880dece00810231323h98aee96r6f823e1dc281289b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4900F296.6010907@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20081023215907.GE25963@jg.home>

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:54:30PM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>Things are now stored at vimperator.org, either as a tip or even better
>as a "script" (hebrew.js) which can be put in ~/.vimperator/plugin/
>
>Now you can even add it yourself, instead of requiring an admin.

You should use :noremap instead of :map, though.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Some problems are so complex that you have to be highly intelligent
and well informed just to be undecided about them.
	--Laurence J. Peter


From stubenschrott at gmx.net  Thu Oct 23 15:06:57 2008
From: stubenschrott at gmx.net (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:06:57 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Hebrew layout map
In-Reply-To: <20081023215907.GE25963@jg.home>
References: <880dece00810231323h98aee96r6f823e1dc281289b@mail.gmail.com>	<4900F296.6010907@gmx.net>
	<20081023215907.GE25963@jg.home>
Message-ID: <4900F581.3090201@gmx.net>

On 2008-10-23 23:59, Kris Maglione wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:54:30PM +0200, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>>Things are now stored at vimperator.org, either as a tip or even better
>>as a "script" (hebrew.js) which can be put in ~/.vimperator/plugin/
>>
>>Now you can even add it yourself, instead of requiring an admin.
> 
> You should use :noremap instead of :map, though.

And in that case hebrew.vim instead of hebrew.js

From mftian at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 17:52:54 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:52:54 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] multibyte support for hint mode
In-Reply-To: <49006583.1010607@gmx.net>
References: <a28ffaac0810182342p1c245433u6d7bd5f6d14a6b85@mail.gmail.com>
	<49006583.1010607@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0810231752o30015157n58f63a269519c22c@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for you advice. I tried to follow the pattern in find.js but gave
up as soon as I found that mode.HINTS and modes.COMMAND_LINE can't co-exist.
":javascript" maybe a better idea. I'll try it.

2008/10/23 Martin Stubenschrott <stubenschrott at gmx.net>

> On 2008-10-19 08:42, Xie&Tian wrote:
>
> > hi everybody. So far Vimperator doesn't support multibyte filter in hint
> > mode, for me, Chinese characters. Attached is a patch to address this
> > problem. It doesn't change the user experience for alphebetic language
> > users. I did some tests and fixed every bug I can found. One compromise
> > to use this patch is that it'd be better to fix the <Leader> to it's
> > default value "\". I didn't change this part of Vimperator because of
> > the possibility to break more stuff...
>
> While I generally appreciate that patch, it should be done (slightly)
> different. You are creating a new textbox just for the hints, while we
> already have a good commandline which is just there for this.
>
> You should try to reuse it with:
>
> :javascript commandline.open("Hints (Quick): ", "", modes.HINTS)
>
> and can add a "change" listener whenever the textbox changes and dismiss
> the commandline when you are done. Actually the search command "/" does
> it very similarly and your patch should be similar to that, have a look
> at content/find.js
>
> > This patch is based on CVS snapshot on Oct. 17th
> >
> > Please review and apply, thanks
>
> 1.) Please make sure the patch has Unix file endings (\n vs. windows
> style \r\n) in future, had to change that myself for it to apply.
>
> 2.) It beeps on every keystroke, otherwise it seemed to work fine.
>
>
> Anyway, you really have to reuse the commandline then I'll apply the
> patch.
>
> --
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 18:23:13 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:23:13 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] multibyte support for hint mode
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0810231752o30015157n58f63a269519c22c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0810182342p1c245433u6d7bd5f6d14a6b85@mail.gmail.com>
	<49006583.1010607@gmx.net>
	<a28ffaac0810231752o30015157n58f63a269519c22c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081024012313.GF25963@jg.home>

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 08:52:54AM +0800, Xie&Tian wrote:
>Thank you for you advice. I tried to follow the pattern in find.js but gave
>up as soon as I found that mode.HINTS and modes.COMMAND_LINE can't co-exist.
>":javascript" maybe a better idea. I'll try it.

Well, that's not strictly true. There's the main mode and the 
extended mode. You could make HINTS an extended mode (which 
would make sense if it switched to using the command line), or 
you could activate the command line during hints mode. I'd 
suggest the former.

-- 
Kris Maglione

UNIX was not designed to stop its users from doing stupid things, as
that would also stop them from doing clever things.
	--Doug Gwyn


From stubenschrott at gmx.net  Fri Oct 24 00:19:26 2008
From: stubenschrott at gmx.net (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:19:26 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] multibyte support for hint mode
In-Reply-To: <20081024012313.GF25963@jg.home>
References: <a28ffaac0810182342p1c245433u6d7bd5f6d14a6b85@mail.gmail.com>	<49006583.1010607@gmx.net>	<a28ffaac0810231752o30015157n58f63a269519c22c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081024012313.GF25963@jg.home>
Message-ID: <490176FE.1030205@gmx.net>

On 2008-10-24 03:23, Kris Maglione wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 08:52:54AM +0800, Xie&Tian wrote:
>>Thank you for you advice. I tried to follow the pattern in find.js but gave
>>up as soon as I found that mode.HINTS and modes.COMMAND_LINE can't co-exist.
>>":javascript" maybe a better idea. I'll try it.
> 
> Well, that's not strictly true. There's the main mode and the 
> extended mode. You could make HINTS an extended mode (which 
> would make sense if it switched to using the command line), or 
> you could activate the command line during hints mode. I'd 
> suggest the former.
> 

Yes, the former is the way to go. It's actually just the same as the
search modes which also sets SEARCH_{FORWARD,BACKWARD} as the minor
mode.


:javascript was just for illustration purpose, the final code should of
course NOT have it.

--
Martin

From jhdl at gmx.net  Fri Oct 24 00:55:22 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:55:22 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] vim-like url '%' for :viewsource
In-Reply-To: <20081023212031.GD25963@jg.home>
References: <20081023095520.GC18318@case.a42.local>
	<20081023095943.GD18318@case.a42.local> <49005D15.9090404@gmx.net>
	<20081023200224.GA16778@case.a42.local>
	<20081023212031.GD25963@jg.home>
Message-ID: <20081024075522.GB16778@case.a42.local>

Quoting Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> (Do, 23 Okt 2008, 17:20:31):
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:02:24PM +0200, Juergen Descher wrote:
>>  ':run lynx --dump %  > /tmp/vimp-org-trac.html'
> 
> :w !htmlfmt >/tmp/vimp-org-trac.txt

Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately this does not work for me. I
suppose 'htmlfmt' (which I don't have) does the same as 'lynx -dump',
writing the output to STDOUT. May be in the current vimp-dev
redirection of STDOUT is broken?
If this ':w[rite]' command should pipe to the shell command instead of
writing a file - it fails too.

What I get is:
  :w !lynx --dump http://vimperator.org >/tmp/lynx-dump1.txt

will raise an error:
  E488: Trailing characters

This works, but the output will be piped to the vimp 'more-cmd', no
redirection of STDOUT:
  :!lynx --dump http://vimperator.org >/tmp/lynx-dump1.txt

If I do something like this:
  :w !less
I'll get a file named '!less' in the current dir.

BTW, in the help about ':write' there is no hint about redirection -
do I miss something?

Regards
Juergen



From jhdl at gmx.net  Fri Oct 24 01:08:41 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:08:41 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] Fix showing numeric qmarks
In-Reply-To: <20081021213358.GA25963@jg.home>
References: <20081021212852.GA14418@case.a42.local>
	<20081021213358.GA25963@jg.home>
Message-ID: <20081024080841.GF18318@case.a42.local>

Quoting Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> (Di, 21 Okt 2008, 17:33:58):
>  -            let items = ({ title: mark, url: qmarks.get(mark) } for each (mark in marks));
> +            let items = ({ title: String(mark), url: qmarks.get(mark) } for each (mark in marks));

Wondering why It's not gonna be fixed, I resent a patch witch can be
applied without a pain(?).

* commit fbbd6b0e106c91d6f24e1e4ce6ed01e06a61c239
  Author: Juergen Descher <jhdl at gmx.net>
  Date:   Fri Oct 24 09:13:01 2008 +0200

      Fix ':qmarks' listing numeric quickmarks
      
      With help of Kris Maglione


-Juergen

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From dpb at driftaway.org  Fri Oct 24 06:17:47 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:17:47 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] Fix showing numeric qmarks
In-Reply-To: <20081024080841.GF18318@case.a42.local>
References: <20081021212852.GA14418@case.a42.local>
	<20081021213358.GA25963@jg.home>
	<20081024080841.GF18318@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: <dd9711230810240617g71980ec7md3f83fd2f1f8eabb@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/24 Juergen Descher <jhdl at gmx.net>:
> Quoting Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> (Di, 21 Okt 2008, 17:33:58):
>>  -            let items = ({ title: mark, url: qmarks.get(mark) } for each (mark in marks));
>> +            let items = ({ title: String(mark), url: qmarks.get(mark) } for each (mark in marks));
>
> Wondering why It's not gonna be fixed, I resent a patch witch can be
> applied without a pain(?).
>
> * commit fbbd6b0e106c91d6f24e1e4ce6ed01e06a61c239
>  Author: Juergen Descher <jhdl at gmx.net>
>  Date:   Fri Oct 24 09:13:01 2008 +0200
>
>      Fix ':qmarks' listing numeric quickmarks
>
>      With help of Kris Maglione

Committed. Thanks! :)

--
Daniel

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 07:33:36 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:33:36 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] vim-like url '%' for :viewsource
In-Reply-To: <20081024075522.GB16778@case.a42.local>
References: <20081023095520.GC18318@case.a42.local>
	<20081023095943.GD18318@case.a42.local> <49005D15.9090404@gmx.net>
	<20081023200224.GA16778@case.a42.local>
	<20081023212031.GD25963@jg.home>
	<20081024075522.GB16778@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: <20081024143336.GG25963@jg.home>

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 09:55:22AM +0200, Juergen Descher wrote:
>Quoting Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> (Do, 23 Okt 2008, 17:20:31):
>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:02:24PM +0200, Juergen Descher wrote:
>>>  ':run lynx --dump %  > /tmp/vimp-org-trac.html'
>> 
>> :w !htmlfmt >/tmp/vimp-org-trac.txt
>
>Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately this does not work for me. I
>suppose 'htmlfmt' (which I don't have) does the same as 'lynx -dump',
>writing the output to STDOUT. May be in the current vimp-dev
>redirection of STDOUT is broken?
>If this ':w[rite]' command should pipe to the shell command instead of
>writing a file - it fails too.
> ...
>BTW, in the help about ':write' there is no hint about redirection -
>do I miss something?

Yes. It's on my wish list, not implemented yet. :(

-- 
Kris Maglione

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by
stupidity.
	--Hanlon's razor


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 07:34:58 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:34:58 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] Fix showing numeric qmarks
In-Reply-To: <20081024080841.GF18318@case.a42.local>
References: <20081021212852.GA14418@case.a42.local>
	<20081021213358.GA25963@jg.home>
	<20081024080841.GF18318@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: <20081024143458.GH25963@jg.home>

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:08:41AM +0200, Juergen Descher wrote:
>Quoting Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> (Di, 21 Okt 2008, 17:33:58):
>>  -            let items = ({ title: mark, url: qmarks.get(mark) } for each (mark in marks));
>> +            let items = ({ title: String(mark), url: qmarks.get(mark) } for each (mark in marks));
>
>Wondering why It's not gonna be fixed, I resent a patch witch can be
>applied without a pain(?).

Sorry, I'd have applied it myself, but I've taken a commit 
holiday.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Question with boldness even the existence of God; because if there be
one, He must approve the homage of Reason rather than that of
blindfolded Fear.
	--Thomas Jefferson


From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 05:33:23 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:33:23 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Copy page title?
Message-ID: <880dece00810250533w12d15ef5nd2a955f3504d89e2@mail.gmail.com>

We have "y" to yank the URL of the page, is there a way to configure a
keyboard shortcut to yank the title? Maybe Ctrl-Y?

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?

?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 05:45:57 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:45:57 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Copy page title?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00810250533w12d15ef5nd2a955f3504d89e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00810250533w12d15ef5nd2a955f3504d89e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081025124557.GI25963@jg.home>

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 02:33:23PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>We have "y" to yank the URL of the page, is there a way to configure a
>keyboard shortcut to yank the title? Maybe Ctrl-Y?

:map <silent> <C-y> :js util.copyToClipboard(content.document.title, true)<cr>

(Elide the <silent> if you're using v.1.2 or less)

-- 
Kris Maglione

For a sucessful technology, honesty must take precedence over public
relations for nature cannot be fooled.
	--Richard Feynman


From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 08:56:38 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:56:38 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Copy page title?
In-Reply-To: <20081025124557.GI25963@jg.home>
References: <880dece00810250533w12d15ef5nd2a955f3504d89e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081025124557.GI25963@jg.home>
Message-ID: <880dece00810250856h10927778qa38f6ea5a052207c@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/25 Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com>:
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 02:33:23PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>
>> We have "y" to yank the URL of the page, is there a way to configure a
>> keyboard shortcut to yank the title? Maybe Ctrl-Y?
>
> :map <silent> <C-y> :js util.copyToClipboard(content.document.title,
> true)<cr>
>
> (Elide the <silent> if you're using v.1.2 or less)
>

Thanks, that's smart!

Thanks for teaching me a new English word as well (elide):
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Elide&sourceid=mozilla

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?

?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 09:42:49 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:42:49 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, and Ctrl+Z
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0810070230l195e557aocf8634e9185d1690@mail.gmail.com>
References: <186902680810051245t294a6887hdf1d5db29bf7da87@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0810070230l195e557aocf8634e9185d1690@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00810250942n67294e99rc9257731837fb3a7@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/7 Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com>:
> I think your idea is great, but *nix traditions are worth insisting. I
> suggest that at least in command-line mode <C-c>/<C-v>/<C-z> for
> copy/past/undo respectively should work.
>
> <C-s> for "cancel" is good, and the key "s"/"S" can be remap to
> ":save"/":saveas" so that saving a webpage won't be too tricky
>

I just found this thread (how did I miss it?) and I must say that I am
in total agreement with these suggestions:

Ctrl-v Be changed to Paste. There is little need for a one-key
passthrough mode, and certainly not worth the expense of usability for
a common command like this.
Ctrl-c Be changed  to Copy.
Ctrl-s Be changed to Stop. Alternatively, Ctrl-q could be Stop.

Should I file a bug outlining this?

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?

?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 09:54:54 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:54:54 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Spellchecker
Message-ID: <880dece00810250954j5c392e9pf9f957f11f01f4c5@mail.gmail.com>

How does one operate the spellchecker without the mouse in Vimperator?
The misspelled words are still highlighted, but I do not know how to
get the replacement suggestions and to select one. Thanks!

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?

?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 09:59:56 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:59:56 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, and Ctrl+Z
In-Reply-To: <880dece00810250942n67294e99rc9257731837fb3a7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <186902680810051245t294a6887hdf1d5db29bf7da87@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0810070230l195e557aocf8634e9185d1690@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00810250942n67294e99rc9257731837fb3a7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081025165956.GJ25963@jg.home>

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 06:42:49PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>Ctrl-v Be changed to Paste. There is little need for a one-key
>passthrough mode, and certainly not worth the expense of usability for
>a common command like this.
>Ctrl-c Be changed  to Copy.
>Ctrl-s Be changed to Stop. Alternatively, Ctrl-q could be Stop.
>
>Should I file a bug outlining this?

No, it's not a bug. C-v is useful in all modes. If you want 
those particular mappings, just map them yourself:

cnoremap <C-c> <C-v><C-c>
cnoremap <C-v> <C-v><C-v>
noremap <C-s> <C-c>

-- 
Kris Maglione

Haskell is faster than C++, more concise than Perl, more regular than
Python, more flexible than Ruby, more typeful than C#, more robust
than Java, and has absolutely nothing in common with PHP.
	--Autrijus Tang


From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 10:15:49 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:15:49 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, and Ctrl+Z
In-Reply-To: <20081025165956.GJ25963@jg.home>
References: <186902680810051245t294a6887hdf1d5db29bf7da87@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0810070230l195e557aocf8634e9185d1690@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00810250942n67294e99rc9257731837fb3a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081025165956.GJ25963@jg.home>
Message-ID: <880dece00810251015y7e3a399amcf2f636f894ca8d1@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/25 Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com>:
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 06:42:49PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>
>> Ctrl-v Be changed to Paste. There is little need for a one-key
>> passthrough mode, and certainly not worth the expense of usability for
>> a common command like this.
>> Ctrl-c Be changed  to Copy.
>> Ctrl-s Be changed to Stop. Alternatively, Ctrl-q could be Stop.
>>
>> Should I file a bug outlining this?
>
> No, it's not a bug. C-v is useful in all modes. If you want those particular
> mappings, just map them yourself:
>
> cnoremap <C-c> <C-v><C-c>
> cnoremap <C-v> <C-v><C-v>
> noremap <C-s> <C-c>
>

I meant, should I file a feature request? (which is also done in the bugtracker)

I do have them remapped, but I think that the remapping is so popular
(Even Martin reports that he remaps) that it should be standard.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?

?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 10:26:11 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:26:11 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, and Ctrl+Z
In-Reply-To: <880dece00810251015y7e3a399amcf2f636f894ca8d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <186902680810051245t294a6887hdf1d5db29bf7da87@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0810070230l195e557aocf8634e9185d1690@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00810250942n67294e99rc9257731837fb3a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081025165956.GJ25963@jg.home>
	<880dece00810251015y7e3a399amcf2f636f894ca8d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081025172611.GK25963@jg.home>

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 07:15:49PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>I do have them remapped, but I think that the remapping is so popular
>(Even Martin reports that he remaps) that it should be standard.

It may be popular, but it's inconsistent, and it's (very) incompatible 
with vim. For all I care, the intro could mention something like 
vim's ?:h emacs?, but it's an unnecessary incompatibility the 
likes of which we try to avoid. Moreover, those of us died in 
the wool Unix users, who use Vimperator because we've used vim 
for over a decade, get very (very) annoyed by such inconsistent 
concessions to the world of Windows, just as others get annoyed 
by the lack thereof.

Anyway, I've said my bit. It's Martin's decision, not mine.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Reason should be destroyed in all Christians.
	--Martin Luther


From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 10:35:18 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:35:18 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, and Ctrl+Z
In-Reply-To: <20081025172611.GK25963@jg.home>
References: <186902680810051245t294a6887hdf1d5db29bf7da87@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0810070230l195e557aocf8634e9185d1690@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00810250942n67294e99rc9257731837fb3a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081025165956.GJ25963@jg.home>
	<880dece00810251015y7e3a399amcf2f636f894ca8d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081025172611.GK25963@jg.home>
Message-ID: <880dece00810251035u3a53687fkccb7414f97452198@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/25 Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com>:
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 07:15:49PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>
>> I do have them remapped, but I think that the remapping is so popular
>> (Even Martin reports that he remaps) that it should be standard.
>
> It may be popular, but it's inconsistent, and it's (very) incompatible with
> vim. For all I care, the intro could mention something like vim's ':h
> emacs', but it's an unnecessary incompatibility the likes of which we try to
> avoid. Moreover, those of us died in the wool Unix users, who use Vimperator
> because we've used vim for over a decade, get very (very) annoyed by such
> inconsistent concessions to the world of Windows, just as others get annoyed
> by the lack thereof.
>
> Anyway, I've said my bit. It's Martin's decision, not mine.
>

From what I gathered in the comments, it seems that the remapping
proposal _increases_ consistency with other applications. Furthermore,
it does not reduce consistency with VIM. But I'll butt out now too,
and let Martin have his say.


-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?

?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From renick at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 10:38:51 2008
From: renick at gmail.com (Renick Bell)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 02:38:51 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator Digest, Vol 19, Issue 42
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6845.1224955583.63230.vimperator@mozdev.org>
References: <mailman.6845.1224955583.63230.vimperator@mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <b6105e870810251038v5d670fb6l2dabc9eeacc73e@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:26 AM,  <vimperator-request at mozdev.org> wrote:
> Ctrl-v Be changed to Paste. There is little need for a one-key
> passthrough mode, and certainly not worth the expense of usability for

Couldn't disagree more. I constantly use this command when using Gmail
or Google Reader. It doesn't have to be ctrl-v, but a one-key
passthrough mode is really useful, neccesary even.

Renick

-- 
Renick Bell
http://the3rd2nd.com

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 10:46:44 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:46:44 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, and Ctrl+Z
In-Reply-To: <880dece00810251035u3a53687fkccb7414f97452198@mail.gmail.com>
References: <186902680810051245t294a6887hdf1d5db29bf7da87@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0810070230l195e557aocf8634e9185d1690@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00810250942n67294e99rc9257731837fb3a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081025165956.GJ25963@jg.home>
	<880dece00810251015y7e3a399amcf2f636f894ca8d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081025172611.GK25963@jg.home>
	<880dece00810251035u3a53687fkccb7414f97452198@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081025174644.GL25963@jg.home>

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 07:35:18PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>From what I gathered in the comments, it seems that the remapping
>proposal _increases_ consistency with other applications. Furthermore,
>it does not reduce consistency with VIM. But I'll butt out now too,
>and let Martin have his say.

It decreases *internal* consistency, and happens to increase 
consistency with other apps if the other apps that you use most 
tend to use those key bindings. Again, if you happen to be a 
died in the wool Unix user, that's not the case. Even the KDE 
and GTK apps that I use, use Unix bindings on my system (but I 
don't use many). And, of course it reduces consistency with vim. 
Those bindings don't do remotely similar things in vim as they 
do in the Windows world. Further still, they behave consistently 
in vim. C-v always quotes the next character in input modes, C-c 
always stops vim doing whatever it's doing. C-s does nothing, 
and I don't particularly mind if it stops page loading, but C-c 
would seem to already mandate that the current page stop 
loading, so it's redundant.

-- 
Kris Maglione

I think conventional languages are for the birds.  They're just
extensions of the von Neumann computer, and they keep our noses in the
dirt of dealing with individual words and computing addresses, and
doing all kinds of silly things like that, things that we've picked up
from programming for computers; we've built them into programming
languages; we've built them into Fortran; we've built them in PL/1;
we've built them into almost every language.
	--John Backus


From mftian at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 12:45:09 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 03:45:09 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] multibyte support for hint mode
In-Reply-To: <490176FE.1030205@gmx.net>
References: <a28ffaac0810182342p1c245433u6d7bd5f6d14a6b85@mail.gmail.com>
	<49006583.1010607@gmx.net>
	<a28ffaac0810231752o30015157n58f63a269519c22c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081024012313.GF25963@jg.home> <490176FE.1030205@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0810251245v52369b6ev33251c7c6e29380a@mail.gmail.com>

Done with the new patch, reuse the commandline. I managed to preserve much
of the code in hints.js and change as little as I can. The map leader is ok
with user definition now.

It is based on the latest CVS snapshot, Oct. 25th.

Please review and apply, thanks



Regards
Xie

2008/10/24 Martin Stubenschrott <stubenschrott at gmx.net>

> On 2008-10-24 03:23, Kris Maglione wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 08:52:54AM +0800, Xie&Tian wrote:
> >>Thank you for you advice. I tried to follow the pattern in find.js but
> gave
> >>up as soon as I found that mode.HINTS and modes.COMMAND_LINE can't
> co-exist.
> >>":javascript" maybe a better idea. I'll try it.
> >
> > Well, that's not strictly true. There's the main mode and the
> > extended mode. You could make HINTS an extended mode (which
> > would make sense if it switched to using the command line), or
> > you could activate the command line during hints mode. I'd
> > suggest the former.
> >
>
> Yes, the former is the way to go. It's actually just the same as the
> search modes which also sets SEARCH_{FORWARD,BACKWARD} as the minor
> mode.
>
>
> :javascript was just for illustration purpose, the final code should of
> course NOT have it.
>
> --
> Martin
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From dougkearns at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 18:14:03 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:14:03 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, and Ctrl+Z
In-Reply-To: <20081025174644.GL25963@jg.home>
References: <186902680810051245t294a6887hdf1d5db29bf7da87@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0810070230l195e557aocf8634e9185d1690@mail.gmail.com>
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I entirely agree with Kris' sentiments on the matter.

However, I would be in favour of an mswin.vim equivalent being distributed.

Regards,
Doug

From stubenschrott at gmx.net  Sun Oct 26 14:40:00 2008
From: stubenschrott at gmx.net (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:40:00 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, and Ctrl+Z
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0810251814w6e0663bdh7a75a2974a751355@mail.gmail.com>
References: <186902680810051245t294a6887hdf1d5db29bf7da87@mail.gmail.com>	<a28ffaac0810070230l195e557aocf8634e9185d1690@mail.gmail.com>	<880dece00810250942n67294e99rc9257731837fb3a7@mail.gmail.com>	<20081025165956.GJ25963@jg.home>	<880dece00810251015y7e3a399amcf2f636f894ca8d1@mail.gmail.com>	<20081025172611.GK25963@jg.home>	<880dece00810251035u3a53687fkccb7414f97452198@mail.gmail.com>	<20081025174644.GL25963@jg.home>
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Message-ID: <4904E3B0.6050508@gmx.net>

On 2008-10-26 02:14, Doug Kearns wrote:

> I entirely agree with Kris' sentiments on the matter.

So do I.

> However, I would be in favour of an mswin.vim equivalent being distributed.

So do I as well :) - With distributed you mean a script though, or by
default for windows users?

I think we should write a section in :help tutorial about it, should
also be enough.

@Dotan: It's true that i remap it as I need those keys more often on
windows than the quoting/stopping keys, but as Kris said, internal
consistency is more important than what I prefer. Even Bram - the Vim -
author has some mappings, and surely does not set default values of vim
just to those values which he personally likes best.

--
Martin

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sun Oct 26 15:30:41 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:30:41 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, and Ctrl+Z
In-Reply-To: <4904E3B0.6050508@gmx.net>
References: <186902680810051245t294a6887hdf1d5db29bf7da87@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0810070230l195e557aocf8634e9185d1690@mail.gmail.com>
	<880dece00810250942n67294e99rc9257731837fb3a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081025165956.GJ25963@jg.home>
	<880dece00810251015y7e3a399amcf2f636f894ca8d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081025172611.GK25963@jg.home>
	<880dece00810251035u3a53687fkccb7414f97452198@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081025174644.GL25963@jg.home>
	<644fc65e0810251814w6e0663bdh7a75a2974a751355@mail.gmail.com>
	<4904E3B0.6050508@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <880dece00810261530p76333102gf0f8322ff9bba607@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/26 Martin Stubenschrott <stubenschrott at gmx.net>:
>> However, I would be in favour of an mswin.vim equivalent being distributed.
>
> So do I as well :) - With distributed you mean a script though, or by
> default for windows users?
>

I do not think it should be called mswin.vim, though. I am unfamiliar
with Windows (Three years on Ubuntu, one year on Fedora before that,
with lots of some distro hopping before that.) yet Ctrl-X,C,V as Cut,
Copy, Paste has always been natural to me, at least in the GUI apps
that I use here on Linux. Maybe it could be called cutcopypaste.vim.

> I think we should write a section in :help tutorial about it, should
> also be enough.
>

As I have never really been able to get those keys working like I'd
like them to, I won't post my remappings but I'd love to see everybody
else's. Post them here, I will test them and post them on the wiki.
For that matter, if people don't mind simply attaching their
~/.vimperatorrc file I could probably learn some other great tricks.

> @Dotan: It's true that i remap it as I need those keys more often on
> windows than the quoting/stopping keys, but as Kris said, internal
> consistency is more important than what I prefer. Even Bram - the Vim -
> author has some mappings, and surely does not set default values of vim
> just to those values which he personally likes best.
>

Of course not. However, I do not see where this breaks internal
consistency. So far as I gathered from the thread, these shortcuts
_increase_ consistency with other applications, yet do not break
consistency with either Vim or Vimperator itself. Out of curiosity,
and not to be arguementive, how would making Ctrl-X,C,V work as Cut,
Copy, Paste break consistecy?

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sun Oct 26 16:02:25 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:02:25 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, and Ctrl+Z
In-Reply-To: <880dece00810261530p76333102gf0f8322ff9bba607@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0810070230l195e557aocf8634e9185d1690@mail.gmail.com>
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	<20081025165956.GJ25963@jg.home>
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On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:30:41AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>I do not think it should be called mswin.vim, though. I am 
>unfamiliar with Windows (Three years on Ubuntu, one year on 
>Fedora before that, with lots of some distro hopping before 
>that.) yet Ctrl-X,C,V as Cut, Copy, Paste has always been 
>natural to me, at least in the GUI apps that I use here on 
>Linux. Maybe it could be called cutcopypaste.vim.

It would be called mswin.vim for the same reason it would be 
called emacs.vim. Those are Windows keyboard shortcuts. You're 
familiar with them because Windows rules the world, so GTK and 
KDE have (after long periods of resistance) copied them. The 
same goes for the Emacs bindings. I'm all for preserving 
origins.

>For that matter, if people don't mind simply attaching their 
>~/.vimperatorrc file I could probably learn some other great 
>tricks. 

You don't want to see mine.

>Out of curiosity, and not to be arguementive, how would making 
>Ctrl-X,C,V work as Cut, Copy, Paste break consistecy? 

a) <C-c> is a sacred keybinding in vim. It works in all modes. 
    It stops vim doing whatever it's doing. It does the same in 
    vimperator, in all modes. Hence, it is consistent throughout 
    vimperator and with vim. Changing it would necessarilly make 
    it less consistent with both.
b) <C-v> quotes the next character in all of vim's input modes, 
    as it does in vimperator. Admittedly, quoting the next 
    character means something different to vimperator, so, 
    changing it *everywhere* wouldn't make it less consistent 
    with vim or internally. Changing it in one place would make 
    it less consistent with both.
c) I don't care about <C-x>.
d) Adding these key bindings would, nonetheless, make vimperator 
    less consistent with vim, and with Unix in general. None of 
    the apps that I regularly use use them, vim has no 
    equivalent. If you want them in vim, you add them yourself 
    (and search vim.org or :h if you don't know how). And, 
    *again*, consistency with other apps depends largely on what 
    other apps you use. I spend most of my time in vim or in my 
    shell (excluding vimperator, of course), both of which 
    interperet <C-c> to mean: stop doing whatever the fuck you're 
    doing. For those users who spend their time in different 
    apps, and want to improve consistency with them, instead of 
    with vim (which is one of vimperator's primary goals), 
    they're very welcome to do so, and I'd be very happy with 
    providing simple and accessible instructions on the matter.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Fashion is something barbarous, for it produces innovation without
reason and imitation without benefit.
	--George Santayana


From dotancohen at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 06:01:13 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:01:13 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, and Ctrl+Z
In-Reply-To: <20081026230225.GQ25963@jg.home>
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	<20081025165956.GJ25963@jg.home>
	<880dece00810251015y7e3a399amcf2f636f894ca8d1@mail.gmail.com>
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2008/10/27 Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com>:
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:30:41AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>
>> I do not think it should be called mswin.vim, though. I am unfamiliar with
>> Windows (Three years on Ubuntu, one year on Fedora before that, with lots of
>> some distro hopping before that.) yet Ctrl-X,C,V as Cut, Copy, Paste has
>> always been natural to me, at least in the GUI apps that I use here on
>> Linux. Maybe it could be called cutcopypaste.vim.
>
> It would be called mswin.vim for the same reason it would be called
> emacs.vim. Those are Windows keyboard shortcuts. You're familiar with them
> because Windows rules the world, so GTK and KDE have (after long periods of
> resistance) copied them. The same goes for the Emacs bindings. I'm all for
> preserving origins.
>
>> For that matter, if people don't mind simply attaching their
>> ~/.vimperatorrc file I could probably learn some other great tricks.
>
> You don't want to see mine.
>
>> Out of curiosity, and not to be arguementive, how would making Ctrl-X,C,V
>> work as Cut, Copy, Paste break consistecy?
>
> a) <C-c> is a sacred keybinding in vim. It works in all modes.   It stops
> vim doing whatever it's doing. It does the same in   vimperator, in all
> modes. Hence, it is consistent throughout   vimperator and with vim.
> Changing it would necessarilly make   it less consistent with both.
> b) <C-v> quotes the next character in all of vim's input modes,   as it does
> in vimperator. Admittedly, quoting the next   character means something
> different to vimperator, so,   changing it *everywhere* wouldn't make it
> less consistent   with vim or internally. Changing it in one place would
> make   it less consistent with both.
> c) I don't care about <C-x>.
> d) Adding these key bindings would, nonetheless, make vimperator   less
> consistent with vim, and with Unix in general. None of   the apps that I
> regularly use use them, vim has no   equivalent. If you want them in vim,
> you add them yourself   (and search vim.org or :h if you don't know how).
> And,   *again*, consistency with other apps depends largely on what   other
> apps you use. I spend most of my time in vim or in my   shell (excluding
> vimperator, of course), both of which   interperet <C-c> to mean: stop doing
> whatever the fuck you're   doing. For those users who spend their time in
> different   apps, and want to improve consistency with them, instead of
> with vim (which is one of vimperator's primary goals),   they're very
> welcome to do so, and I'd be very happy with   providing simple and
> accessible instructions on the matter.
>

Of course, consistency with Vim should be the primary focus of
Vimperator. By definition, that is what vimperator is.

> It would be called mswin.vim for the same reason it would be called
> emacs.vim. Those are Windows keyboard shortcuts. You're familiar with them
> because Windows rules the world, so GTK and KDE have (after long periods of
> resistance) copied them. The same goes for the Emacs bindings. I'm all for
> preserving origins.

Ctrl-V predates Windows, I think. I remember that as being the first
keyboard shortcut I ever learned, somewhere around 1986 on a
grey/white Mac. I don't know much about PC history but this was the
first time I had seen a GUI or a mouse. So should the file be called
mac.vim as?

> For those users who spend their time in
> different   apps, and want to improve consistency with them, instead of
> with vim (which is one of vimperator's primary goals),   they're very
> welcome to do so, and I'd be very happy with   providing simple and
> accessible instructions on the matter.

I appreciate your offer of sharing your knowledge. How does one get
Ctrl-XCV to Cut/Copy/Paste with one keypress? I've never been able to
get it right, even by coping example here on the list. I don't need
Ctrl-V remapped to anything as I don't need single-keystroke
passthough, though "stop" could be remapped to Ctrl-S. Thanks!

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?

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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 07:21:54 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:21:54 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, and Ctrl+Z
In-Reply-To: <880dece00810270601rcc17a48kbb7c94802068cc35@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081025165956.GJ25963@jg.home>
	<880dece00810251015y7e3a399amcf2f636f894ca8d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081025172611.GK25963@jg.home>
	<880dece00810251035u3a53687fkccb7414f97452198@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081025174644.GL25963@jg.home>
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	<880dece00810270601rcc17a48kbb7c94802068cc35@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081027142154.GR25963@jg.home>

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 03:01:13PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>Ctrl-V predates Windows, I think. I remember that as being the first
>keyboard shortcut I ever learned, somewhere around 1986 on a
>grey/white Mac. I don't know much about PC history but this was the
>first time I had seen a GUI or a mouse. So should the file be called
>mac.vim as?

You may be right. I frankly don't care that much. On Macs, 
though, they're Cmd-<X/C/V>, so mac.vim wouldn't do much on a 
Mac.

>I appreciate your offer of sharing your knowledge. How does one get
>Ctrl-XCV to Cut/Copy/Paste with one keypress? I've never been able to
>get it right, even by coping example here on the list. I don't need
>Ctrl-V remapped to anything as I don't need single-keystroke
>passthough, though "stop" could be remapped to Ctrl-S. Thanks!

I've said this already:

cnoremap <C-c> <C-v><C-c>
cnoremap <C-v> <C-v><C-v>
cnoremap <C-x> <C-v><C-x>

Substitute inoremap for cnoremap as necessary.

-- 
Kris Maglione

It's an incredible con job when you think of it, to believe something
now in exchange for life after death.  Even corporations with all
their reward systems don't try to make it posthumous.
	--Gloria Steinem


From dotancohen at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 07:50:06 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:50:06 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, and Ctrl+Z
In-Reply-To: <20081027142154.GR25963@jg.home>
References: <20081025165956.GJ25963@jg.home> <20081025172611.GK25963@jg.home>
	<880dece00810251035u3a53687fkccb7414f97452198@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081025174644.GL25963@jg.home>
	<644fc65e0810251814w6e0663bdh7a75a2974a751355@mail.gmail.com>
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2008/10/27 Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com>:
> I've said this already:
>
> cnoremap <C-c> <C-v><C-c>
> cnoremap <C-v> <C-v><C-v>
> cnoremap <C-x> <C-v><C-x>
>

And for whatever reason that I cannot fathom, on my system (Kubuntu
8.04, Firefox 3.0.3, Vimperator 1.2) I still have to press Ctrl-V
twice to paste. noremap has the same effect. I've also tried :imap
<C-v> <S-Ins> but that has the side-effect of moving the cursor to the
beginning of textareas.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 07:50:31 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:50:31 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, and Ctrl+Z
In-Reply-To: <20081027142154.GR25963@jg.home>
References: <20081025165956.GJ25963@jg.home> <20081025172611.GK25963@jg.home>
	<880dece00810251035u3a53687fkccb7414f97452198@mail.gmail.com>
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2008/10/27 Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com>:
> I've said this already:
>
> cnoremap <C-c> <C-v><C-c>
> cnoremap <C-v> <C-v><C-v>
> cnoremap <C-x> <C-v><C-x>
>

And for whatever reason that I cannot fathom, on my system (Kubuntu
8.04, Firefox 3.0.3, Vimperator 1.2) I still have to press Ctrl-V
twice to paste. noremap has the same effect. I've also tried :imap
<C-v> <S-Ins> but that has the side-effect of moving the cursor to the
beginning of textareas.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?

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From robert.e.hickman at googlemail.com  Mon Oct 27 10:44:13 2008
From: robert.e.hickman at googlemail.com (robert hickman)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:44:13 +0000
Subject: [Vimperator] Spellchecker
In-Reply-To: <880dece00810250954j5c392e9pf9f957f11f01f4c5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00810250954j5c392e9pf9f957f11f01f4c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63a039270810271044k737bb496u91a0be70a9d837eb@mail.gmail.com>

I am also interested to know if the spell checker can be used without
the mouse. the ``open right click menu button'' doesn't work propaly
with firefox.

2008/10/25 Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>:
> How does one operate the spellchecker without the mouse in Vimperator?
> The misspelled words are still highlighted, but I do not know how to
> get the replacement suggestions and to select one. Thanks!
>
> --
> Dotan Cohen
>
> http://what-is-what.com
> http://gibberish.co.il
> ?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
>
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 10:47:23 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:47:23 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Spellchecker
In-Reply-To: <880dece00810250954j5c392e9pf9f957f11f01f4c5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00810250954j5c392e9pf9f957f11f01f4c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081027174723.GS25963@jg.home>

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 06:54:54PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>How does one operate the spellchecker without the mouse in Vimperator?
>The misspelled words are still highlighted, but I do not know how to
>get the replacement suggestions and to select one. Thanks!

Please feel encouraged to write a script emulating vim's spell 
checker. In all likelihood, it would end up included in 
vimperator.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Haskell is faster than C++, more concise than Perl, more regular than
Python, more flexible than Ruby, more typeful than C#, more robust
than Java, and has absolutely nothing in common with PHP.
	--Autrijus Tang


From dotancohen at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 11:02:31 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:02:31 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Spellchecker
In-Reply-To: <20081027174723.GS25963@jg.home>
References: <880dece00810250954j5c392e9pf9f957f11f01f4c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081027174723.GS25963@jg.home>
Message-ID: <880dece00810271102qeb8a03fh9a191c59ffffb60d@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/27 Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com>:
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 06:54:54PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>
>> How does one operate the spellchecker without the mouse in Vimperator?
>> The misspelled words are still highlighted, but I do not know how to
>> get the replacement suggestions and to select one. Thanks!
>
> Please feel encouraged to write a script emulating vim's spell checker. In
> all likelihood, it would end up included in vimperator.
>

You think too highly of me! Encouraged I will remain, though skilled I
am without. If I find anything I will update this thread, though I do
not feel optimistic.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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From mftian at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 01:32:18 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:32:18 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] [patch] multibyte support for hint mode
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0810251245v52369b6ev33251c7c6e29380a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0810182342p1c245433u6d7bd5f6d14a6b85@mail.gmail.com>
	<49006583.1010607@gmx.net>
	<a28ffaac0810231752o30015157n58f63a269519c22c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081024012313.GF25963@jg.home> <490176FE.1030205@gmx.net>
	<a28ffaac0810251245v52369b6ev33251c7c6e29380a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0810280132n5e7f4792t21f79d323c2b5808@mail.gmail.com>

just found that the last patch breaks "O", "T", "W" command in extended hint
mode, here is the new patch that fix it

2008/10/26 Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com>

> Done with the new patch, reuse the commandline. I managed to preserve much
> of the code in hints.js and change as little as I can. The map leader is ok
> with user definition now.
>
> It is based on the latest CVS snapshot, Oct. 25th.
>
> Please review and apply, thanks
>
>
>
> Regards
> Xie
>
> 2008/10/24 Martin Stubenschrott <stubenschrott at gmx.net>
>
> On 2008-10-24 03:23, Kris Maglione wrote:
>>
>> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 08:52:54AM +0800, Xie&Tian wrote:
>> >>Thank you for you advice. I tried to follow the pattern in find.js but
>> gave
>> >>up as soon as I found that mode.HINTS and modes.COMMAND_LINE can't
>> co-exist.
>> >>":javascript" maybe a better idea. I'll try it.
>> >
>> > Well, that's not strictly true. There's the main mode and the
>> > extended mode. You could make HINTS an extended mode (which
>> > would make sense if it switched to using the command line), or
>> > you could activate the command line during hints mode. I'd
>> > suggest the former.
>> >
>>
>> Yes, the former is the way to go. It's actually just the same as the
>> search modes which also sets SEARCH_{FORWARD,BACKWARD} as the minor
>> mode.
>>
>>
>> :javascript was just for illustration purpose, the final code should of
>> course NOT have it.
>>
>> --
>> Martin
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From mftian at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 01:39:38 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:39:38 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] "always hint" never worked as intended
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as far as I know, neither under version 1.2 nor the latest CVS version. Is
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From casey.manion at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 11:04:13 2008
From: casey.manion at gmail.com (Casey Manion)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:04:13 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] /Find Bar/ Regular Expression Search
Message-ID: <66dd0ce40810281104o45bece5ai3475a60c24e1ccf2@mail.gmail.com>

I installed the /Find Bar/ addon for the regex search and it passed 1 test:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6534

To make it work, I selected Find from the menu and checked the Regular
Expression checkbox on FF's default find toolbar. Then I used the
vimperator command line with regex...


I haven't looked at the code and suspect it is 'heavy' but wanted to
share with the group JIC it is possible to do in vimperator.

-Casey

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 11:09:37 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:09:37 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] /Find Bar/ Regular Expression Search
In-Reply-To: <66dd0ce40810281104o45bece5ai3475a60c24e1ccf2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <66dd0ce40810281104o45bece5ai3475a60c24e1ccf2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081028180937.GV25963@jg.home>

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:04:13AM -0700, Casey Manion wrote:
>I installed the /Find Bar/ addon for the regex search and it passed 1 test:
>https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6534
>
>To make it work, I selected Find from the menu and checked the Regular
>Expression checkbox on FF's default find toolbar. Then I used the
>vimperator command line with regex...
>
>I haven't looked at the code and suspect it is 'heavy' but wanted to
>share with the group JIC it is possible to do in vimperator.

It's not heavy, and it's not only possible, it's been done. The 
main problem is that it's mind-bogglingly slow and unstable. 
That said, there are ways around it (namely, using the normal 
rangefind when the search string isn't a regex).

-- 
Kris Maglione

I do not believe in the immortality of the individual, and I consider
ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority
behind it.
	--Albert Einstein


From aresnick at mit.edu  Tue Oct 28 10:26:48 2008
From: aresnick at mit.edu (Alec Resnick)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:26:48 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Turning vimperator off in GMail, GReader, GCal
Message-ID: <62a60dd90810281026obc6594dub5c0dc0c3f4af03@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!  I know this has been covered before, but none of the code snippets I've
found online seem to be working for me.  Essentially, I want all keystrokes
to pass through while in gmail, greader, and gcal.  Does anyone have this
working currently, and if so, would they be willing to share their secret
sauce?

Thanks a bunch!

Gratefully,
a.

--
alec resnick
aresnick at mit.edu
http://aresnick.mit.edu/

617.229.5036
256 Brookline St. / #2
Cambridge, MA  02139
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From fb at intoxicatedmind.net  Tue Oct 28 16:41:48 2008
From: fb at intoxicatedmind.net (Frank Blendinger)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:41:48 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Turning vimperator off in GMail, GReader, GCal
In-Reply-To: <62a60dd90810281026obc6594dub5c0dc0c3f4af03@mail.gmail.com>
References: <62a60dd90810281026obc6594dub5c0dc0c3f4af03@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081028234148.GB6963@intoxicatedmind.net>

Hi.

Alec Resnick <aresnick at mit.edu> enlightened the world by writing these words of wisdom:
> Hi!  I know this has been covered before, but none of the code snippets I've
> found online seem to be working for me.  Essentially, I want all keystrokes to
> pass through while in gmail, greader, and gcal.  Does anyone have this working
> currently, and if so, would they be willing to share their secret sauce?

I have this line in my vimperatorrc:
autocmd LocationChange google(\.com\/(reader|calendar)) js modes.passAllKeys = true


Greetings,
Frank

-- 
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Fingerprint: BB64 F2B8 DFD8 BF90 0F2E 892B 72CF 7A41 0BF2 FE7A
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From stubenschrott at gmx.net  Tue Oct 28 17:12:50 2008
From: stubenschrott at gmx.net (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:12:50 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] "always hint" never worked as intended
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0810280139x664605c9mdd1c7fb00f6c5c02@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a28ffaac0810280139x664605c9mdd1c7fb00f6c5c02@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4907AA82.7050403@gmx.net>

On 2008-10-28 09:39, Xie&Tian wrote:

> as far as I know, neither under version 1.2 nor the latest CVS version.
> Is it just me or it's a common problem?

It did work "as intended", which meant that it was still active, but
it cannot show hints for a new page until you type parts of the letters
of the hint which you want to follow.

The reason is, suppose you activate always hints on page A, then locate
to page B with a hint. If I showed available hints for page B after
load, there was no way to scroll down the page and follow a link at the
botton with always hints.

Anyway, I applied your patch from the other thread with small changes
and since AlwaysHints didn't work with your patch anyway, I simply
removed AlwaysHints. I hope that not too many here are actually really
using that.

--
Martin

PS: If somebody *really* needs AlwaysHints, I will accept a well-written patch for it.

From mftian at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 19:30:28 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:30:28 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] "always hint" never worked as intended
In-Reply-To: <4907AA82.7050403@gmx.net>
References: <a28ffaac0810280139x664605c9mdd1c7fb00f6c5c02@mail.gmail.com>
	<4907AA82.7050403@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0810281930o628609bcw112e0fcb1aa8ac61@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/29 Martin Stubenschrott <stubenschrott at gmx.net>

> On 2008-10-28 09:39, Xie&Tian wrote:
>
> > as far as I know, neither under version 1.2 nor the latest CVS version.
> > Is it just me or it's a common problem?
>
> It did work "as intended", which meant that it was still active, but
> it cannot show hints for a new page until you type parts of the letters
> of the hint which you want to follow.
>

for me, ";f" never worked as hint mode disappeared after the new page was
load. ";F" may be


>
> The reason is, suppose you activate always hints on page A, then locate
> to page B with a hint. If I showed available hints for page B after
> load, there was no way to scroll down the page and follow a link at the
> botton with always hints.
>

yes, this is exactly what I mean. User would be confused if there is no
hints show up for the new page while they are in "alwayshint" mode. And if
the user is using ";F", the message in commandline saying "Background tab
loaded:xxxx..." will replace the prompt message for hint mode, which makes
the situation even worse. People usually don't scroll the page under hint
mode, because currently we do not support that and because they have to use
the arrow key, not "hjkl". But under alwayshint mode, they may accidentally
use "hjkl" to scroll a page as they are not aware of being in alwayshint
mode, and jump to some page, which may be dangerous.


> Anyway, I applied your patch from the other thread with small changes
> and since AlwaysHints didn't work with your patch anyway, I simply
> removed AlwaysHints. I hope that not too many here are actually really
> using that.
>

Thanks. I test the alwayshint mode for a while and couldn't make it work.
This may be the best for it now


>
> --
> Martin
>
> PS: If somebody *really* needs AlwaysHints, I will accept a well-written
> patch for it.
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator



Regards
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From 14cheese at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 17:54:59 2008
From: 14cheese at gmail.com (chisiyuan)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:54:59 -0000
Subject: [Vimperator] thx
Message-ID: <1223772837.15296.12.camel@cheese-laptop>

Hi guys!
     Thank you for the vimperaor. It save me from move my hand to mouse
now and then in firefox.
     BTW, I hope vimperator will work better with my bookmarks ( I
couldn't open bookmarks with version1.2 ) and other add-ons. Maybe it
works and I havn't found the right commands.
     After all, thanks again.
     Regards,
						Yours,
                                                chisiyuan            


From marffin at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 00:56:19 2008
From: marffin at gmail.com (Xilybne)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:56:19 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] thx
In-Reply-To: <1223772837.15296.12.camel@cheese-laptop>
References: <1223772837.15296.12.camel@cheese-laptop>
Message-ID: <b63926740810290056w622b6dc2n45822667712931d8@mail.gmail.com>

:set wop=auto
when you type the keyword of your bookmark item, there will be
autocompletion for you

2008/10/12 chisiyuan <14cheese at gmail.com>

> Hi guys!
>     Thank you for the vimperaor. It save me from move my hand to mouse
> now and then in firefox.
>     BTW, I hope vimperator will work better with my bookmarks ( I
> couldn't open bookmarks with version1.2 ) and other add-ons. Maybe it
> works and I havn't found the right commands.
>     After all, thanks again.
>     Regards,
>                                                Yours,
>                                                chisiyuan
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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From mahefa.randimbisoa at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 04:37:39 2008
From: mahefa.randimbisoa at gmail.com (mahefa randimbisoa)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:37:39 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] [UNRELATED] How to set extensions.checkCompatibility
	to false with Fx without vimperator.
Message-ID: <2ba1fac40810290437i98f8fa9wae0d404106b06e10@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry if it is not really related to vimperator...

I've set my extension.checkCompatibility to false, using vimperator,
and I have lots of plugins running perfectly.

But it seems like this entry extension.checkCompatibility doesn't
appear on about:config if Vimperator is not installed. Is there a way
to set it to false without installing Vimperator?

-- 
Mahefa

From dpb at driftaway.org  Wed Oct 29 04:41:38 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:41:38 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] [UNRELATED] How to set
	extensions.checkCompatibility to false with Fx without vimperator.
In-Reply-To: <2ba1fac40810290437i98f8fa9wae0d404106b06e10@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2ba1fac40810290437i98f8fa9wae0d404106b06e10@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230810290441k40223a10g6d251874978b9250@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/29 mahefa randimbisoa <mahefa.randimbisoa at gmail.com>:
> Sorry if it is not really related to vimperator...
>
> I've set my extension.checkCompatibility to false, using vimperator,
> and I have lots of plugins running perfectly.
>
> But it seems like this entry extension.checkCompatibility doesn't
> appear on about:config if Vimperator is not installed. Is there a way
> to set it to false without installing Vimperator?

In about:config, right click somewhere. There's the "new" submenu
there where you can define it.

--
Daniel

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Oct 29 05:35:32 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:35:32 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Turning vimperator off in GMail, GReader, GCal
In-Reply-To: <20081028234148.GB6963@intoxicatedmind.net>
References: <62a60dd90810281026obc6594dub5c0dc0c3f4af03@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081028234148.GB6963@intoxicatedmind.net>
Message-ID: <49085894.6030002@tedpavlic.com>

> I have this line in my vimperatorrc: autocmd LocationChange
> google(\.com\/(reader|calendar)) js modes.passAllKeys = true

Good tip! But to make sure you cover Google mail too, then add the line:

autocmd LocationChange mail\.google\.com js modes.passAllKeys = true



-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From teramako at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 06:21:07 2008
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:21:07 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] Turning vimperator off in GMail, GReader, GCal
In-Reply-To: <49085894.6030002@tedpavlic.com>
References: <62a60dd90810281026obc6594dub5c0dc0c3f4af03@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081028234148.GB6963@intoxicatedmind.net>
	<49085894.6030002@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <6eebba490810290621t4050f23ckf13224ffea5d826d@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
>> I have this line in my vimperatorrc: autocmd LocationChange
>> google(\.com\/(reader|calendar)) js modes.passAllKeys = true
>
> Good tip! But to make sure you cover Google mail too, then add the line:
>
> autocmd LocationChange mail\.google\.com js modes.passAllKeys = true
>
This code will work,
but at version 2.0pre(CVS HEAD) the bellow code is better

autocmd LocationChange mail\\.google\\.com js modes.passAllKeys = true

is'nt it ?

-- 
teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Oct 29 07:21:16 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:21:16 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Turning vimperator off in GMail, GReader, GCal
In-Reply-To: <6eebba490810290621t4050f23ckf13224ffea5d826d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <62a60dd90810281026obc6594dub5c0dc0c3f4af03@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081028234148.GB6963@intoxicatedmind.net>
	<49085894.6030002@tedpavlic.com>
	<6eebba490810290621t4050f23ckf13224ffea5d826d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4908715C.8080404@tedpavlic.com>

> autocmd LocationChange mail\\.google\\.com js modes.passAllKeys = true
> 
> is'nt it ?

Why? mail\.google\.com matches mail(period)google(period)com. It seems 
like mail\\.google\\.com would match 
mail(backslash)(anything)google(backslash)(anything)com.


Note that:

	:help autocmd-examples

has some (better) options:


	For all Google sites:

:autocmd LocationChange .* js modes.passAllKeys = 
/google\.com/.test(buffer.URL)


	For some Google sites:

:autocmd LocationChange .* js modes.passAllKeys = 
/(www|mail)\.google\.com/.test(buffer.URL)

	For editing mail at Gmail:

:autocmd LocationChange .* :set editor=gvim -f
:autocmd LocationChange mail\.google\.com :set editor=gvim -f -c 'set 
ft=mail'


	--Ted



-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From mchalkley at mail.com  Wed Oct 29 07:31:08 2008
From: mchalkley at mail.com (Mark Chalkley)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:31:08 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Mapping Alt-Space to Esc
Message-ID: <20081029143108.E2CC849B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>

In VIM, I use inoremap <M-Space> <Esc> to remap Alt-space to Escape when
I'm in Insert Mode.  I can't seem to make this work in vimperator,
though.  Is there a trick?

Thanks,

Mark
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From teramako at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 08:07:51 2008
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:07:51 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] Turning vimperator off in GMail, GReader, GCal
In-Reply-To: <4908715C.8080404@tedpavlic.com>
References: <62a60dd90810281026obc6594dub5c0dc0c3f4af03@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081028234148.GB6963@intoxicatedmind.net>
	<49085894.6030002@tedpavlic.com>
	<6eebba490810290621t4050f23ckf13224ffea5d826d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4908715C.8080404@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <6eebba490810290807la5329c6jf8a4fea69e4c295b@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
>> autocmd LocationChange mail\\.google\\.com js modes.passAllKeys = true
>>
>> is'nt it ?
>
> Why? mail\.google\.com matches mail(period)google(period)com. It seems like
> mail\\.google\\.com would match
> mail(backslash)(anything)google(backslash)(anything)com.
>
At the latest version, all command arguments are parsed by
commands.parseArgs function.

:echo (new RegExp(
commands.parseArgs("mail\.google\.com",null,"*").arguments[0]
)).test("mail.google.com")
is shows "true"
but
:echo (new RegExp(
commands.parseArgs("mail\.google\.com",null,"*").arguments[0]
)).test("mailAgoogleAcom")
is also shows "true"

:echo (new RegExp(
commands.parseArgs("mail\\.google\\.com",null,"*").arguments[0]
)).test("mail.google.com")
is shows "true"
and
:echo (new RegExp(
commands.parseArgs("mail\\.google\\.com",null,"*").arguments[0]
)).test("mailAgoogleAcom")
is shows "false"

that reason is that
commands.parseArgs function converts escape characters (ex. "\.") to
native characters (ex. ".") without "\n" or "\t".
so "mail\.google\.com" will be converted to "mail.google.com", and
converted RegExp object.
it means that autcmd ascertains whether
mail(anything)google(anything)com matches the URL

autocommand-examples document has been old.
the document or commands.parseArgs function needs to be fixed.

Best regards.
-- 
teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Oct 29 08:25:18 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:25:18 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Turning vimperator off in GMail, GReader, GCal
In-Reply-To: <6eebba490810290807la5329c6jf8a4fea69e4c295b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <62a60dd90810281026obc6594dub5c0dc0c3f4af03@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081028234148.GB6963@intoxicatedmind.net>
	<49085894.6030002@tedpavlic.com>
	<6eebba490810290621t4050f23ckf13224ffea5d826d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4908715C.8080404@tedpavlic.com>
	<6eebba490810290807la5329c6jf8a4fea69e4c295b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4908805E.3020206@tedpavlic.com>

> :echo (new RegExp(
> commands.parseArgs("mail\.google\.com",null,"*").arguments[0]
> )).test("mailAgoogleAcom")
> is also shows "true"
> :echo (new RegExp(
> commands.parseArgs("mail\\.google\\.com",null,"*").arguments[0]
> )).test("mailAgoogleAcom")
> is shows "false"

OK, so it's like a single-quote-vs-double-quote string issue in the 
shell. If (in another universe) JavaScript used single quotes to prevent 
expansion, then that would be the solution.

So...

> autocommand-examples document has been old.
> the document or commands.parseArgs function needs to be fixed.

If and when command.parseArgs gets fixed, then the "mail\\.google\\.com" 
will stop working.

So for now, maybe it's best to still suggest that people use 
"mail\.google\.com" because it will work universally and probably won't 
catch many false negatives.

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 08:32:05 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:32:05 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Mapping Alt-Space to Esc
In-Reply-To: <20081029143108.E2CC849B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20081029143108.E2CC849B6BD@ws1-3a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <20081029153205.GA6049@jg.home>

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:31:08AM -0500, Mark Chalkley wrote:
>In VIM, I use inoremap <M-Space> <Esc> to remap Alt-space to Escape when
>I'm in Insert Mode.  I can't seem to make this work in vimperator,
>though.  Is there a trick?

<A-Space>

-- 
Kris Maglione

Controlling complexity is the essence of computer programming.
	--Brian Kernigan


From teramako at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 08:39:00 2008
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:39:00 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] Turning vimperator off in GMail, GReader, GCal
In-Reply-To: <4908805E.3020206@tedpavlic.com>
References: <62a60dd90810281026obc6594dub5c0dc0c3f4af03@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081028234148.GB6963@intoxicatedmind.net>
	<49085894.6030002@tedpavlic.com>
	<6eebba490810290621t4050f23ckf13224ffea5d826d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4908715C.8080404@tedpavlic.com>
	<6eebba490810290807la5329c6jf8a4fea69e4c295b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4908805E.3020206@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <6eebba490810290839n16c27809x2eb9786d3855bdc4@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
>> :echo (new RegExp(
>> commands.parseArgs("mail\.google\.com",null,"*").arguments[0]
>> )).test("mailAgoogleAcom")
>> is also shows "true"
>> :echo (new RegExp(
>> commands.parseArgs("mail\\.google\\.com",null,"*").arguments[0]
>> )).test("mailAgoogleAcom")
>> is shows "false"
>
> OK, so it's like a single-quote-vs-double-quote string issue in the shell.
> If (in another universe) JavaScript used single quotes to prevent expansion,
> then that would be the solution.
>
> So...
>
>> autocommand-examples document has been old.
>> the document or commands.parseArgs function needs to be fixed.
>
> If and when command.parseArgs gets fixed, then the "mail\\.google\\.com"
> will stop working.
>
> So for now, maybe it's best to still suggest that people use
> "mail\.google\.com" because it will work universally and probably won't
> catch many false negatives.
>

Got it.
when that function is fixed, I'll fix my RC file :)

-- 
teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 02:27:53 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:27:53 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, and Ctrl+Z
In-Reply-To: <880dece00810270750u674c3eb9r342316d7e37af344@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081025165956.GJ25963@jg.home>
	<880dece00810251035u3a53687fkccb7414f97452198@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081025174644.GL25963@jg.home>
	<644fc65e0810251814w6e0663bdh7a75a2974a751355@mail.gmail.com>
	<4904E3B0.6050508@gmx.net>
	<880dece00810261530p76333102gf0f8322ff9bba607@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081026230225.GQ25963@jg.home>
	<880dece00810270601rcc17a48kbb7c94802068cc35@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081027142154.GR25963@jg.home>
	<880dece00810270750u674c3eb9r342316d7e37af344@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0810300227w6acc3acg7b2ae269bdfbfd9f@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/28/08, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/10/27 Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com>:
>
> > I've said this already:
>  >
>  > cnoremap <C-c> <C-v><C-c>
>  > cnoremap <C-v> <C-v><C-v>
>  > cnoremap <C-x> <C-v><C-x>
>  >
>
>
> And for whatever reason that I cannot fathom, on my system (Kubuntu
>  8.04, Firefox 3.0.3, Vimperator 1.2) I still have to press Ctrl-V
>  twice to paste. noremap has the same effect. I've also tried :imap
>  <C-v> <S-Ins> but that has the side-effect of moving the cursor to the
>  beginning of textareas.

Shouldn't that be inoremap <C-v> <C-v><S-Insert>?

Doug

PS. There's a rough start on a mswin.vimp here:
http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/32

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 07:41:28 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:41:28 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, and Ctrl+Z
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0810300227w6acc3acg7b2ae269bdfbfd9f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081025165956.GJ25963@jg.home> <20081025174644.GL25963@jg.home>
	<644fc65e0810251814w6e0663bdh7a75a2974a751355@mail.gmail.com>
	<4904E3B0.6050508@gmx.net>
	<880dece00810261530p76333102gf0f8322ff9bba607@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081026230225.GQ25963@jg.home>
	<880dece00810270601rcc17a48kbb7c94802068cc35@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081027142154.GR25963@jg.home>
	<880dece00810270750u674c3eb9r342316d7e37af344@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0810300227w6acc3acg7b2ae269bdfbfd9f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00810300741s3d09e385md36a11b9828b2c78@mail.gmail.com>

2008/10/30 Doug Kearns <dougkearns at gmail.com>:
> Shouldn't that be inoremap <C-v> <C-v><S-Insert>?
>

inoremap <C-v> <C-v><S-Insert>
This command makes the cursor just to the beginning of the textarea.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 11:39:53 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:39:53 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator security report
In-Reply-To: <50afe27e4ac4b420aa42128dd3caf22c@localhost.localdomain>
References: <50afe27e4ac4b420aa42128dd3caf22c@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20081030183953.GG6049@jg.home>

This should be illegal. Oh, wait, it is: 
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/canspam.shtm

-- 
Kris Maglione

It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education.
	--Albert Einstein


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Oct 30 12:40:36 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:40:36 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
Message-ID: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>

I feel like this topic has been discussed, but a quick search of the 
group returns nothing.

I notice that when I highlight the MATLAB code on:

	http://www.ece.osu.edu/~pavlict/ece209/#lab_opamp_FO

if I hit uppercase Y, all of the line endings disappear in the 
eventually pasted text. That is, everything is pulled onto one line.
However, if I hit Cmd+C, the eventually pasted text has all of the line 
endings. I notice the same problem on my Windows machine (if I use 
"Copy" from the Edit menu).

Is there a way around this? Does Vimperator have a way to configure line 
ending behavior?

I'm using the latest Vimperator built from CVS.

Thanks --
--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 00:04:24 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:04:24 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 6:40 AM, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
> I feel like this topic has been discussed, but a quick search of the group
> returns nothing.
>
> I notice that when I highlight the MATLAB code on:
>
>        http://www.ece.osu.edu/~pavlict/ece209/#lab_opamp_FO
>
> if I hit uppercase Y, all of the line endings disappear in the eventually
> pasted text. That is, everything is pulled onto one line.
> However, if I hit Cmd+C, the eventually pasted text has all of the line
> endings. I notice the same problem on my Windows machine (if I use "Copy"
> from the Edit menu).

This is largely a Firefox bug: http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/6

> Is there a way around this? Does Vimperator have a way to configure line
> ending behavior?

map Y <C-v><C-c>

Doug

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Oct 31 06:13:52 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:13:52 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490B0490.7090207@tedpavlic.com>

> This is largely a Firefox bug: http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/6
> 
>> Is there a way around this? Does Vimperator have a way to configure line
>> ending behavior?
> 
> map Y <C-v><C-c>

Great. Any idea how to do that on a Mac? That is...

map Y <C-v><Cmd-c>

? If I recall correctly, Firefox has an awful hard time trapping Cmd+... 
So there's probably no way to do it in Vimperator, right?

Thanks --
Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 08:42:48 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:42:48 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <490B0490.7090207@tedpavlic.com>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>
	<490B0490.7090207@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081031154248.GA11734@jg.home>

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 09:13:52AM -0400, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> Great. Any idea how to do that on a Mac? That is...
>
> map Y <C-v><Cmd-c>
>
> ? If I recall correctly, Firefox has an awful hard time trapping Cmd+...  
> So there's probably no way to do it in Vimperator, right?

I seem to recall that it's <M-c>. You can always add a dump 
statement somewhere in events.js to print out all captured key 
presses.

-- 
Kris Maglione

The programmer, who needs clarity, who must talk all day to a machine
that demands declarations, hunkers down into a low-grade annoyance.
It is here that the stereotype of the programmer, sitting in a dim
room, growling from behind Coke cans, has its origins.  The disorder
of the desk, the floor; the yellow Post-It notes everywhere; the
whiteboards covered with scrawl: all this is the outward manifestation
of the messiness of human thought.  The messiness cannot go into the
program; it piles up around the programmer.
	--Ellen Ullman


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 09:22:18 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:22:18 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081031162218.GB11734@jg.home>

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 03:40:36PM -0400, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> Is there a way around this? Does Vimperator have a way to configure line  
> ending behavior?

This is fixed in CVS.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Are you quite sure that all those bells and whistles, all those
wonderful facilities of your so called powerful programming languages,
belong to the solution set rather than the problem set?
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Oct 31 11:44:12 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:44:12 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <20081031154248.GA11734@jg.home>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>
	<490B0490.7090207@tedpavlic.com> <20081031154248.GA11734@jg.home>
Message-ID: <490B51FC.4090308@tedpavlic.com>

>> map Y <C-v><Cmd-c>
>>
>> ? If I recall correctly, Firefox has an awful hard time trapping Cmd+...  
>> So there's probably no way to do it in Vimperator, right?
> 
> I seem to recall that it's <M-c>. You can always add a dump 
> statement somewhere in events.js to print out all captured key 
> presses.

Brilliant.

	map Y <C-v><M-c>

seems to work well on my Mac...

Unfortunately, I use the same .vimperatorrc for all of my machines. Is 
there something like a... 'has("mac")' in Vimperator?

Thanks, again --
Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 11:55:16 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:55:16 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <490B51FC.4090308@tedpavlic.com>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>
	<490B0490.7090207@tedpavlic.com> <20081031154248.GA11734@jg.home>
	<490B51FC.4090308@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081031185516.GC11734@jg.home>

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 02:44:12PM -0400, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> Unfortunately, I use the same .vimperatorrc for all of my machines. Is  
> there something like a... 'has("mac")' in Vimperator?

There's has("MacIntel")/has("MacPPC") in CVS. I'd do:

js <<EOF
     let C_c = /^Mac/.test(navigator.platform) ? "<M-c>" : "<C-c>";
     liberator.execute("noremap Y <C-v>" + C_c);
EOF

-- 
Kris Maglione

Are you quite sure that all those bells and whistles, all those
wonderful facilities of your so called powerful programming languages,
belong to the solution set rather than the problem set?
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Oct 31 11:58:08 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:58:08 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <20081031162218.GB11734@jg.home>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com> <20081031162218.GB11734@jg.home>
Message-ID: <490B5540.1070300@tedpavlic.com>

I just pulled the latest changesets (including "Fix ticket #6"), 
rebuilt, and installed. I see from the ticket that this changeset is 
only a partial fix.

As far as I can tell, it works well if I highlight an *ENTIRE* PRE 
environment; however, if I highlight a smaller SECTION of a single PRE 
environment, I get the same behavior.

Is that correct?

For example, when I go to:

http://www.ece.osu.edu/~pavlict/ece209/#lab_meters

If I highlight the entire PRE environment (by dragging from *OUTSIDE* of 
it to *OUTSIDE* of it), I get proper line breaks. However, if I 
highlight everything from "% Store..." down to "gaindB" (or even the 
entire environment but this time starting from inside), I get the old 
(broken) behavior. Is that expected?

--Ted



Kris Maglione wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 03:40:36PM -0400, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>> Is there a way around this? Does Vimperator have a way to configure line  
>> ending behavior?
> 
> This is fixed in CVS.
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Oct 31 12:01:26 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:01:26 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <20081031185516.GC11734@jg.home>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>
	<490B0490.7090207@tedpavlic.com> <20081031154248.GA11734@jg.home>
	<490B51FC.4090308@tedpavlic.com> <20081031185516.GC11734@jg.home>
Message-ID: <490B5606.6010602@tedpavlic.com>

> There's has("MacIntel")/has("MacPPC") in CVS. I'd do:
> 
> js <<EOF
>      let C_c = /^Mac/.test(navigator.platform) ? "<M-c>" : "<C-c>";
>      liberator.execute("noremap Y <C-v>" + C_c);
> EOF

That's excellent!

Considering how long it has been since the Firefox bug was submitted, I 
wonder if that example should be added to the help somewhere... <?>

Thanks very much.
--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 12:02:58 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:02:58 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <490B5540.1070300@tedpavlic.com>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com> <20081031162218.GB11734@jg.home>
	<490B5540.1070300@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081031190258.GD11734@jg.home>

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 02:58:08PM -0400, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> If I highlight the entire PRE environment (by dragging from *OUTSIDE* of  
> it to *OUTSIDE* of it), I get proper line breaks. However, if I  
> highlight everything from "% Store..." down to "gaindB" (or even the  
> entire environment but this time starting from inside), I get the old  
> (broken) behavior. Is that expected?

No. The former case has always worked, the latter should (and 
does, for me) work now. Are you sure you have the updated 
version installed properly? I suggest you do something like:

cd ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.$profile_name/extensions
rm -rf vimperator at mozdev.org
echo $path_to_vimperator_cvs/src >vimperator at mozdev.org

-- 
Kris Maglione

Projects promoting programming in natural language are intrinsically
doomed to fail.
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Oct 31 12:10:06 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:10:06 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490B580E.6000909@tedpavlic.com>

>> Is there a way around this? Does Vimperator have a way to configure line
>> ending behavior?
> 
> map Y <C-v><C-c>

I suppose

	map Y <C-v><C-c>:echo "Yanked <C-v><C-v>"<CR>

would get a little closer to the desired post-Firefox-fix behavior...


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 12:16:12 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:16:12 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <490B580E.6000909@tedpavlic.com>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>
	<490B580E.6000909@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081031191612.GE11734@jg.home>

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 03:10:06PM -0400, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> I suppose
>
> 	map Y <C-v><C-c>:echo "Yanked <C-v><C-v>"<CR>
>
> would get a little closer to the desired post-Firefox-fix behavior...

mappings.addUserMap([modes.NORMAL], "Y", 
	"Yank the currently selected text",
	function () {
		buffer.getCurrentWord();
		liberator.feedkeys("<C-v>" + /^Mac/.test(navigator.platform) ? "<M-c>" : "<C-c>", true);
		liberator.echo("Yanked " + util.readFromClipboard());
	});

Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not
tried it.
	--Donald Knuth

-- 
Kris Maglione

Anyone who considers arithmetical methods of producing random numbers
is, of course, in a state of sin.
	--John von Neumann


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Oct 31 12:22:14 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:22:14 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <20081031190258.GD11734@jg.home>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com> <20081031162218.GB11734@jg.home>
	<490B5540.1070300@tedpavlic.com> <20081031190258.GD11734@jg.home>
Message-ID: <490B5AE6.9090907@tedpavlic.com>

>> If I highlight the entire PRE environment (by dragging from *OUTSIDE* of  
>> it to *OUTSIDE* of it), I get proper line breaks. However, if I  
>> highlight everything from "% Store..." down to "gaindB" (or even the  
>> entire environment but this time starting from inside), I get the old  
>> (broken) behavior. Is that expected?
> 
> No. The former case has always worked, the latter should (and 
> does, for me) work now. Are you sure you have the updated 
> version installed properly? I suggest you do something like:
> 
> cd ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.$profile_name/extensions
> rm -rf vimperator at mozdev.org
> echo $path_to_vimperator_cvs/src >vimperator at mozdev.org

That's a neat trick, but even after I do that, I still do not get proper 
line breaks.

For example, if I "Y"ank 5 particular lines on my Mac, I get a single line:

% Convert RMS output data to gain by dividing by input RMS (2 Vrms). 
gain = rms/2; % Convert gain to deciBels (0 dB is unity gain). gaindB = 
20*log10( gain );

I get the same result on my Windows machine.

When I type "hg parent" in vimperator-cvs/src, I get:

2339[tip]   28762434eb7b   2008-10-31 17:22 +0100   maglione
   Properly kludge last commit.

It appears like this is at LEAST up to date with the git mirror linked 
from vimperator.org... Am I behind?

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Oct 31 12:22:48 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:22:48 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <490B580E.6000909@tedpavlic.com>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>	<644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>
	<490B580E.6000909@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <490B5B08.6010904@vimperator.org>

On 2008-10-31 20:10, Ted Pavlic wrote:

>>> Is there a way around this? Does Vimperator have a way to configure line
>>> ending behavior?
>> 
>> map Y <C-v><C-c>
> 
> I suppose
> 
> 	map Y <C-v><C-c>:echo "Yanked <C-v><C-v>"<CR>
> 
> would get a little closer to the desired post-Firefox-fix behavior...
> 
> 


If you have:

" + io.system("rm -rf /")

in your selection, you might not be THAT happy with your mapping ;)

--
Martin

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Oct 31 12:22:48 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:22:48 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <490B580E.6000909@tedpavlic.com>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>	<644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>
	<490B580E.6000909@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <490B5B08.6010904@vimperator.org>

On 2008-10-31 20:10, Ted Pavlic wrote:

>>> Is there a way around this? Does Vimperator have a way to configure line
>>> ending behavior?
>> 
>> map Y <C-v><C-c>
> 
> I suppose
> 
> 	map Y <C-v><C-c>:echo "Yanked <C-v><C-v>"<CR>
> 
> would get a little closer to the desired post-Firefox-fix behavior...
> 
> 


If you have:

" + io.system("rm -rf /")

in your selection, you might not be THAT happy with your mapping ;)

--
Martin

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Oct 31 12:34:05 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:34:05 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <20081031191612.GE11734@jg.home>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>
	<490B580E.6000909@tedpavlic.com> <20081031191612.GE11734@jg.home>
Message-ID: <490B5DAD.7060007@tedpavlic.com>

> Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not 
> tried it. --Donald Knuth

I had to add square brackets around the "Y". Otherwise, I got an error 
about keys.map not being a function. Additionally, I had to change 
"liberator.feedkeys" to "events.feedkeys".


js <<EOF
mappings.addUserMap([modes.NORMAL], ["Y"],
     "Yank the currently selected text",
     function () {
         buffer.getCurrentWord();
         events.feedkeys("<C-v>" + /^Mac/.test(navigator.platform) ? 
"<M-c>" : "<C-c>", true);
         liberator.echo("Yanked " + util.readFromClipboard());
     });
EOF



I suppose the only other thing would be to convert those newlines into 
tabs (or something) in the echo statement. :) (I suppose 
util.readFromClipboard() probably has a replace or match member that 
would do that. :) )

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Oct 31 12:34:47 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:34:47 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <490B5B08.6010904@vimperator.org>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>	<644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>
	<490B580E.6000909@tedpavlic.com> <490B5B08.6010904@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <490B5DD7.5080408@tedpavlic.com>

Good point. :) I had a feeling there was something like that.

Kris has a much nicer map further down in the thread. :)

> If you have:
> 
> " + io.system("rm -rf /")
> 
> in your selection, you might not be THAT happy with your mapping ;)

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 12:37:00 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:37:00 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <490B5DAD.7060007@tedpavlic.com>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>
	<490B580E.6000909@tedpavlic.com> <20081031191612.GE11734@jg.home>
	<490B5DAD.7060007@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081031193700.GA19381@jg.home>

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 03:34:05PM -0400, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> I suppose the only other thing would be to convert those newlines into  
> tabs (or something) in the echo statement. :) (I suppose  
> util.readFromClipboard() probably has a replace or match member that  
> would do that. :) )

No, we usually force it into the single-line output:

commandline.echo("foo", null, commandline.FORCE_SINGLELINE);

-- 
Kris Maglione

The object-oriented model makes it easy to build up programs by
accretion.  What this often means, in practice, is that it provides a
structured way to write spaghetti code.
	--Paul Graham


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Oct 31 12:40:46 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:40:46 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <20081031193700.GA19381@jg.home>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>
	<490B580E.6000909@tedpavlic.com> <20081031191612.GE11734@jg.home>
	<490B5DAD.7060007@tedpavlic.com> <20081031193700.GA19381@jg.home>
Message-ID: <490B5F3E.7010800@tedpavlic.com>

Neat. It looks like:

         liberator.echo("Yanked " + util.readFromClipboard(), 
commandline.FORCE_SINGLELINE);

works well... UNFORTUNATELY the "Yanked" disappears immediately. How to 
get "liberator.echo" results to stay in the command line? :(

--Ted

Kris Maglione wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 03:34:05PM -0400, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>> I suppose the only other thing would be to convert those newlines into  
>> tabs (or something) in the echo statement. :) (I suppose  
>> util.readFromClipboard() probably has a replace or match member that  
>> would do that. :) )
> 
> No, we usually force it into the single-line output:
> 
> commandline.echo("foo", null, commandline.FORCE_SINGLELINE);
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 12:47:06 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:47:06 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <490B5F3E.7010800@tedpavlic.com>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>
	<490B580E.6000909@tedpavlic.com> <20081031191612.GE11734@jg.home>
	<490B5DAD.7060007@tedpavlic.com> <20081031193700.GA19381@jg.home>
	<490B5F3E.7010800@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081031194706.GF11734@jg.home>

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 03:40:46PM -0400, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> works well... UNFORTUNATELY the "Yanked" disappears immediately. How to  
> get "liberator.echo" results to stay in the command line? :(

Add a timeout. setTimeout(function () liberator.echo(...), 0) 
should work. You might have to use some higher number than 0, 
though.

-- 
Kris Maglione

A plumber has around eight years training in the US. That's to fix my
goddamn toilet.  Yet, how much training do you have to do to be
allowed to build software for a plane carrying hundreds of people?
	--James Coplien


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Oct 31 12:47:19 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:47:19 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <490B5F3E.7010800@tedpavlic.com>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>
	<490B580E.6000909@tedpavlic.com> <20081031191612.GE11734@jg.home>
	<490B5DAD.7060007@tedpavlic.com> <20081031193700.GA19381@jg.home>
	<490B5F3E.7010800@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <490B60C7.2030008@tedpavlic.com>

> Neat. It looks like:
> 
>          liberator.echo("Yanked " + util.readFromClipboard(), 
> commandline.FORCE_SINGLELINE);
> 
> works well... UNFORTUNATELY the "Yanked" disappears immediately. How to 
> get "liberator.echo" results to stay in the command line? :(

It appears like it's the

events.feedkeys

that is doing it. That is, if I comment that out then the 
"liberator.echo" doesn't get clobbered. I think it might be some race 
condition...

It's almost like Mac's <M-c> is doing it... In fact, I'm sure of that. 
The redraw of the screen that occurs after the <M-c> is wiping out the 
command line message.

Any fix to that?


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Oct 31 12:50:29 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:50:29 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <20081031194706.GF11734@jg.home>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>
	<490B580E.6000909@tedpavlic.com> <20081031191612.GE11734@jg.home>
	<490B5DAD.7060007@tedpavlic.com> <20081031193700.GA19381@jg.home>
	<490B5F3E.7010800@tedpavlic.com> <20081031194706.GF11734@jg.home>
Message-ID: <490B6185.7090907@tedpavlic.com>

>> works well... UNFORTUNATELY the "Yanked" disappears immediately. How to  
>> get "liberator.echo" results to stay in the command line? :(
> 
> Add a timeout. setTimeout(function () liberator.echo(...), 0) 
> should work. You might have to use some higher number than 0, 
> though.

Dead reckoning -- that works for me. :)

So far, 15 works alright in my case. So I ended up with... (pardon the 
possible line wrapping)


js <<EOF
mappings.addUserMap([modes.NORMAL], ["Y"],
     "Yank the currently selected text",
     function () {
         buffer.getCurrentWord();
         events.feedkeys("<C-v>" + /^Mac/.test(navigator.platform) ? 
"<M-c>" : "<C-c>", true);
         setTimeout( function () {
           liberator.echo("Yanked " + util.readFromClipboard(), 
commandline.FORCE_SINGLELINE);
         }, 15 );
     });
EOF


Fantastic. :)



-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Oct 31 12:54:20 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:54:20 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <490B6185.7090907@tedpavlic.com>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>
	<490B580E.6000909@tedpavlic.com> <20081031191612.GE11734@jg.home>
	<490B5DAD.7060007@tedpavlic.com> <20081031193700.GA19381@jg.home>
	<490B5F3E.7010800@tedpavlic.com> <20081031194706.GF11734@jg.home>
	<490B6185.7090907@tedpavlic.com>
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> So far, 15 works alright in my case. So I ended up with... (pardon the 
> possible line wrapping)

NOTE: I had to bump that 15 up to 20 for my Windows machine...

--Ted



-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Oct 31 13:42:51 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:42:51 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <490B626C.3070301@tedpavlic.com>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>
	<490B580E.6000909@tedpavlic.com> <20081031191612.GE11734@jg.home>
	<490B5DAD.7060007@tedpavlic.com> <20081031193700.GA19381@jg.home>
	<490B5F3E.7010800@tedpavlic.com> <20081031194706.GF11734@jg.home>
	<490B6185.7090907@tedpavlic.com> <490B626C.3070301@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <490B6DCB.409@tedpavlic.com>

One last fix... Without parentheses, the ternary operator won't work on 
Windows.


js <<EOF
mappings.addUserMap([modes.NORMAL], ["Y"],
     "Yank the currently selected text",
     function () {
         buffer.getCurrentWord();
         events.feedkeys("<C-v>" + (/^Mac/.test(navigator.platform) ? 
"<M-c>" : "<C-c>"), true);
         setTimeout( function () {
           liberator.echo("My Yanked " + util.readFromClipboard(), 
commandline.FORCE_SINGLELINE);
         }, 20 );
     });
EOF



-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 13:45:56 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:45:56 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <490B6DCB.409@tedpavlic.com>
References: <644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>
	<490B580E.6000909@tedpavlic.com> <20081031191612.GE11734@jg.home>
	<490B5DAD.7060007@tedpavlic.com> <20081031193700.GA19381@jg.home>
	<490B5F3E.7010800@tedpavlic.com> <20081031194706.GF11734@jg.home>
	<490B6185.7090907@tedpavlic.com>
	<490B626C.3070301@tedpavlic.com> <490B6DCB.409@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081031204556.GG11734@jg.home>

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 04:42:51PM -0400, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> One last fix... Without parentheses, the ternary operator won't work on  
> Windows.

Actually, without parens, it won't work anywhere. The lhs will 
always return true, and so you'll always get the first option.

-- 
Kris Maglione

If you don't think carefully, you might think that programming is just
typing statements in a programming language.
	--Ward Cunningham


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Oct 31 13:53:23 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:53:23 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <20081031204556.GG11734@jg.home>
References: <644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>
	<490B580E.6000909@tedpavlic.com> <20081031191612.GE11734@jg.home>
	<490B5DAD.7060007@tedpavlic.com> <20081031193700.GA19381@jg.home>
	<490B5F3E.7010800@tedpavlic.com> <20081031194706.GF11734@jg.home>
	<490B6185.7090907@tedpavlic.com>
	<490B626C.3070301@tedpavlic.com> <490B6DCB.409@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081031204556.GG11734@jg.home>
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> Actually, without parens, it won't work anywhere. The lhs will 
> always return true, and so you'll always get the first option.

Remember that Vimperator doesn't trap <M-c>. That is, I can do <M-c> 
without doing <C-v> first... and so, without parens, it was working 
great for me on the Mac side.

So I guess I could change it so that it doesn't send <C-c> at all on the 
Mac side...

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 13:58:46 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:58:46 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <490B7043.3020403@tedpavlic.com>
References: <20081031191612.GE11734@jg.home> <490B5DAD.7060007@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081031193700.GA19381@jg.home> <490B5F3E.7010800@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081031194706.GF11734@jg.home> <490B6185.7090907@tedpavlic.com>
	<490B626C.3070301@tedpavlic.com> <490B6DCB.409@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081031204556.GG11734@jg.home> <490B7043.3020403@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081031205846.GH11734@jg.home>

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 04:53:23PM -0400, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> Remember that Vimperator doesn't trap <M-c>. That is, I can do <M-c>  
> without doing <C-v> first... and so, without parens, it was working  
> great for me on the Mac side.

No, you don't understand. Without parens, the lhs is 
("foo" + /foo/.test(...)), with parens, it's 
/foo/.test(...), so, in the former case, it's always true, and 
you always get <M-c>, never <C-c>.

-- 
Kris Maglione

The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should therefore be
regarded as a criminal offense.
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


From dougkearns at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 21:23:37 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:23:37 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <20081031185516.GC11734@jg.home>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0810310004p3e9ba0j5bde0afd51524b52@mail.gmail.com>
	<490B0490.7090207@tedpavlic.com> <20081031154248.GA11734@jg.home>
	<490B51FC.4090308@tedpavlic.com> <20081031185516.GC11734@jg.home>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0810312123va4823d3re69339f2d34d4552@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 02:44:12PM -0400, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately, I use the same .vimperatorrc for all of my machines. Is
>>  there something like a... 'has("mac")' in Vimperator?
>
> There's has("MacIntel")/has("MacPPC") in CVS. I'd do:

This is now "Unix", "MacUnix", or "Win32".

Doug