From bolzoni at cs.unipr.it  Sat Nov  1 03:14:52 2008
From: bolzoni at cs.unipr.it (Paolo Bolzoni)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:14:52 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] :help keycodes
Message-ID: <20081101111452.286a71d9@cs.unipr.it>

The subject says all, in vim I can have an easy to read list of the available
keycodes with a simple help command.
In vimperator I can not find anything similar.
I sought with google, but I found nothing, what about adding a well done
list of keycodes in the next versions?

In particular I'd like to map the spacebar to <C-d> and backspace to <C-u>,
in the .vimperatorrc I wrote 
map <BS> <C-u>
map <Space> <C-d>

but space does not seem to work.

For testing I tried `:map <Space> <Nop>', but it also seems a no effect...

How can I bind the spacebar to <C-d>?
etb

From bolzoni at cs.unipr.it  Sat Nov  1 03:16:36 2008
From: bolzoni at cs.unipr.it (Paolo Bolzoni)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:16:36 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] :help keycodes
Message-ID: <20081101111636.15c36eac@cs.unipr.it>

The subject says all, in vim I can have an easy to read list of the available
keycodes with a simple help command.
In vimperator I can not find anything similar.
I sought with google, but I found nothing, what about adding a well done
list of keycodes in the next versions?

In particular I'd like to map the spacebar to <C-d> and backspace to <C-u>,
in the .vimperatorrc I wrote 
map <BS> <C-u>
map <Space> <C-d>

but space does not seem to work.

For testing I tried `:map <Space> <Nop>', but it also seems a no effect...

How can I bind the spacebar to <C-d>?
etb

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Sat Nov  1 04:24:01 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:24:01 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] :help keycodes
In-Reply-To: <20081101111452.286a71d9@cs.unipr.it>
References: <20081101111452.286a71d9@cs.unipr.it>
Message-ID: <490C3C51.5060308@vimperator.org>

On 2008-11-01 11:14, Paolo Bolzoni wrote:

> The subject says all, in vim I can have an easy to read list of the available
> keycodes with a simple help command.
> In vimperator I can not find anything similar.
> I sought with google, but I found nothing, what about adding a well done
> list of keycodes in the next versions?

If you write the help for it, sure :)

> In particular I'd like to map the spacebar to <C-d> and backspace to <C-u>,
> in the .vimperatorrc I wrote 
> map <BS> <C-u>
> map <Space> <C-d>
> 
> but space does not seem to work.
> 
> For testing I tried `:map <Space> <Nop>', but it also seems a no effect...
> 
> How can I bind the spacebar to <C-d>?

Well, <Space> is currently hard coded (like very few other keys like
<up> or <down>) and can't be overriden. The reason is, that <Space> is
used in many context like toggling option buttons or following the
element with focus. We might do a :map <Space> <C-v><Space> by default
in vimperator, then it could also be overriden, but i haven't tested if
that would cause problems.

--
Martin

From jhdl at gmx.net  Sat Nov  1 06:59:12 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:59:12 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] Fix: :ls undefined_browser.contendDocument
	error
Message-ID: <20081101135912.GA6254@case.a42.local>

Hi,

I'll get an error doing a ':ls' since the commit:
  Author: maglione <maglione>  2008-10-30 21:51:19
  "Clean up the new hints code a bit" 

This patch will fix that for me, please review and apply it if possible.

* commit 8ff4bccd1f093c13b09a4ad572cfc48989a7a99f
  Author: Juergen Descher <jhdl at gmx.net>
  Date:   Sat Nov 1 14:34:09 2008 +0100

      Fix: :ls undefined_browser.contendDocument error
      
      Added missing function brackets.
      Removed inc of 'i' (done by yield).

Regards
Juergen
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From ted at tedpavlic.com  Sat Nov  1 07:16:26 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 10:16:26 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <20081031205846.GH11734@jg.home>
References: <20081031191612.GE11734@jg.home> <490B5DAD.7060007@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081031193700.GA19381@jg.home> <490B5F3E.7010800@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081031194706.GF11734@jg.home> <490B6185.7090907@tedpavlic.com>
	<490B626C.3070301@tedpavlic.com> <490B6DCB.409@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081031204556.GG11734@jg.home> <490B7043.3020403@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081031205846.GH11734@jg.home>
Message-ID: <490C64BA.8070405@tedpavlic.com>

> No, you don't understand. Without parens, the lhs is 
> ("foo" + /foo/.test(...)), with parens, it's 
> /foo/.test(...), so, in the former case, it's always true, and 
> you always get <M-c>, never <C-c>.

Yes, I understand that. That's why I said it worked fine on a Mac. It 
only stopped working on my Windows machine.

On a Mac, you don't need <C-v>. <M-c> works alone. So always returning 
<M-c> (even without <C-c>) works great on a Mac. It only breaks on Windows.

Either way, now it works very well on both systems, and I appreciate 
your help --- I think this is a very elegant fix.

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 08:46:59 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:46:59 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] Fix: :ls undefined_browser.contendDocument
	error
In-Reply-To: <20081101135912.GA6254@case.a42.local>
References: <20081101135912.GA6254@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0811010846j71abd631s93fcef1bee821584@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 12:59 AM, Juergen Descher <jhdl at gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'll get an error doing a ':ls' since the commit:
>  Author: maglione <maglione>  2008-10-30 21:51:19
>  "Clean up the new hints code a bit"
>
> This patch will fix that for me, please review and apply it if possible.
>
> * commit 8ff4bccd1f093c13b09a4ad572cfc48989a7a99f
>  Author: Juergen Descher <jhdl at gmx.net>
>  Date:   Sat Nov 1 14:34:09 2008 +0100
>
>      Fix: :ls undefined_browser.contendDocument error
>
>      Added missing function brackets.
>      Removed inc of 'i' (done by yield).

Fixed, thanks.

The increment is required as it's a 1 based index.

Doug

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 09:37:44 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 12:37:44 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] Fix: :ls	undefined_browser.contendDocument
	error
In-Reply-To: <20081101135912.GA6254@case.a42.local>
References: <20081101135912.GA6254@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: <20081101163744.GA30106@jg.home>

On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 02:59:12PM +0100, Juergen Descher wrote:
>This patch will fix that for me, please review and apply it if possible.
>
>* commit 8ff4bccd1f093c13b09a4ad572cfc48989a7a99f
>  Author: Juergen Descher <jhdl at gmx.net>
>  Date:   Sat Nov 1 14:34:09 2008 +0100
>
>      Fix: :ls undefined_browser.contendDocument error
>      
>      Added missing function brackets.
>      Removed inc of 'i' (done by yield).

Thanks, but I'm afraid you have it backwards. tabs.browsers 
wasn't meant to be a function (it was defined as get browsers() 
function ()). That's fixed now. As Doug mentioned, the inc if 
'i' was required.

-- 
Kris Maglione

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple,
and wrong.
	--H. L. Mencken


From jhdl at gmx.net  Sat Nov  1 11:56:31 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:56:31 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] Fix: :ls	undefined_browser.contendDocument
	error
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0811010846j71abd631s93fcef1bee821584@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081101135912.GA6254@case.a42.local>
	<644fc65e0811010846j71abd631s93fcef1bee821584@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081101185631.GB6254@case.a42.local>

Hi Doug and Kris,

thanks for your reply.

Quoting Doug Kearns <dougkearns at gmail.com> (So, 02 Nov 2008, 02:46:59):
> The increment is required as it's a 1 based index.

If there is an array used with different index-bases, mostly '0' and
'1', I'll get into this trap :)
To to avoid that, I use comments, _always_.
 
Best regards
Juergen


From ezzetabi at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  1 14:01:13 2008
From: ezzetabi at hotmail.com (ezzetabi)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:01:13 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] :help keycodes
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1225566020.79995.vimperator@mozdev.org>
References: <mailman.9.1225566020.79995.vimperator@mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <20081101220113.0eb59d9e@hotmail.com>

(I am the original author... I sent with the wrong address...)

> If you write the help for it, sure :)
Sure thing... But I need to know the list before... ;)

> > How can I bind the spacebar to <C-d>?
> 
> Well, <Space> is currently hard coded (like very few other keys like
> <up> or <down>) and can't be overriden. The reason is, that <Space> is
> used in many context like toggling option buttons or following the
> element with focus. We might do a :map <Space> <C-v><Space> by default
> in vimperator, then it could also be overriden, but i haven't tested if
> that would cause problems.
Well... Pity. Just I found annoying that sometime spacebar does not go down
while <C-d> always does.

From jhdl at gmx.net  Sat Nov  1 14:21:46 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:21:46 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] feature request for new highlight groups
Message-ID: <20081101212146.GC6254@case.a42.local>

Hi,

to switch (by mappings) form the 'dark on light' default 'theme' to my
usually used 'light on dark' one, I have added two new highlight
groups: 

  *CompItemSelected* Selected text in the command line
and
  *Indicator*        Indicator for current/alternate buffer in the
                     command line

(The default values are really ugly on 'a light on dark' theme :)

This seems to work - only the ':hi<cr>' will show a wrong background
as an example for 'CompItemSelected' donno why yet. The default
(hardcoded) values for this groups I've taken from the
skin/liberator.css.

* commit 76783c3577f1fd4d0f4981ebaadd503d8e6fc727
  Author: Juergen Descher <jhdl at gmx.net>
  Date:   Sat Nov 1 21:09:45 2008 +0100

      add Indicator, CompItemSelected to highlight


Could something like this be applied?

Regards
Juergen
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 14:27:23 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 17:27:23 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] feature request for new highlight groups
In-Reply-To: <20081101212146.GC6254@case.a42.local>
References: <20081101212146.GC6254@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: <20081101212723.GA30382@jg.home>

On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 10:21:46PM +0100, Juergen Descher wrote:
>  *CompItemSelected* Selected text in the command line
>and
>  *Indicator*        Indicator for current/alternate buffer in the
>                     command line

Actually, all of the completion item classes need to be renamed 
to hl-* groups, they haven't been yet because they're still 
extremely volatile. hl-Indicator isn't used anywhere, inside 
your patch our without. CompItemSelected should be 
CompItem[selected].

-- 
Kris Maglione

We should forget about small efficiencies, say about 97% of the time:
premature optimization is the root of all evil.
	--Donald Knuth


From jhdl at gmx.net  Sat Nov  1 14:45:09 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:45:09 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] feature request for new highlight groups
In-Reply-To: <20081101212723.GA30382@jg.home>
References: <20081101212146.GC6254@case.a42.local>
	<20081101212723.GA30382@jg.home>
Message-ID: <20081101214509.GD6254@case.a42.local>

Quoting Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> (Sa, 01 Nov 2008, 17:27:23):
> Actually, all of the completion item classes need to be renamed to hl-* 
> groups, they haven't been yet because they're still extremely volatile. 

I see..

> hl-Indicator isn't used anywhere, inside your patch our without. 

  :ls

will show something like:
  1 % untitled
  2   untitled 1
  3 # untitled 2

and the patch will definitive change _my_ colors off '%' and '#'

  :hi
  ...
  Indicator       XXX     color: blue
  ...

  :hi Indicator color: RoyalBlue
  :hi
  ...
  Indicator       XXX     color: RoyalBlue
  ...

and each color will be used/shown - or do I misunderstand you?

> CompItemSelected should be CompItem[selected].

Didn't know that it can be named like this - cause of '[', ']'.

Regards
Juergen


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 14:50:43 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 17:50:43 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] feature request for new highlight groups
In-Reply-To: <20081101214509.GD6254@case.a42.local>
References: <20081101212146.GC6254@case.a42.local>
	<20081101212723.GA30382@jg.home>
	<20081101214509.GD6254@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: <20081101215043.GB30382@jg.home>

On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 10:45:09PM +0100, Juergen Descher wrote:
>> hl-Indicator isn't used anywhere, inside your patch our without. 
>and each color will be used/shown - or do I misunderstand you?

Sorry, I didn't notice the ,.indicator. Mapping the highlight 
groups to special CSS selectors isn't meant for UI elements, 
it's meant for special cases only, such as when we need to match 
on an id or (mostly) for when we need to match things in web 
pages, like search highlighting or hints, which we can't 
reasonably give the same classes as we'd give UI elements.

>Didn't know that it can be named like this - cause of '[', ']'.

Any non-word character is ignored and treated as a CSS selector.

-- 
Kris Maglione

I do not believe in the immortality of the individual, and I consider
ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority
behind it.
	--Albert Einstein


From ezzetabi at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  1 15:08:23 2008
From: ezzetabi at hotmail.com (ezzetabi)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:08:23 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] <C-a>/<C-x> misfeature?
Message-ID: <20081101230823.723bdeb7@hotmail.com>


If you visit this address:
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post?commit=Search&page=2&tags=rating%3Asafe
and press <C-a> it becomes:
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post?commit=Search&page=2&tags=rating%4Asafe
as expected.
 
But the 3 of `%3a' isn't actually number it should be incremented as it
represents a character.

Maybe this feature should be a little more precise to avoid unwanted effects?
(Ok, I already guess the answer: `if you code it, sure.'
So, just to know, vimperator is programmed in lua, right?)
etb

From jhdl at gmx.net  Sat Nov  1 15:31:50 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:31:50 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] feature request for new highlight groups
In-Reply-To: <20081101215043.GB30382@jg.home>
References: <20081101212146.GC6254@case.a42.local>
	<20081101212723.GA30382@jg.home>
	<20081101214509.GD6254@case.a42.local>
	<20081101215043.GB30382@jg.home>
Message-ID: <20081101223150.GE6254@case.a42.local>

Quoting Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> (Sa, 01 Nov 2008, 17:50:43):
> On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 10:45:09PM +0100, Juergen Descher wrote:
>>> hl-Indicator isn't used anywhere, inside your patch our without. 
>> and each color will be used/shown - or do I misunderstand you?
>
> Sorry, I didn't notice the ,.indicator. Mapping the highlight groups to 
> special CSS selectors isn't meant for UI elements, it's meant for special 
> cases only, such as when we need to match on an id or (mostly) for when 
> we need to match things in web pages, like search highlighting or hints, 
> which we can't reasonably give the same classes as we'd give UI elements.

Sorry, does that mean something like 'hl-Indicator' will not be
applied, cause it's an 'UI element'? That would be very bad.

>> Didn't know that it can be named like this - cause of '[', ']'.
>
> Any non-word character is ignored and treated as a CSS selector.

If I change CompItemSelected into CompItem[selected], then this will
work:

  :hi  CompItem[selected]
  Key   Sample  CSS
  CompItem[selected]    XXX     background-color: yellow;
  
but any of this:
  :hi  CompItem[selected] background-color: #101010
  :hi  CompItem[selected=true] background-color: #101010
  Unknown highlight keyword

Any hint?

Regards
Juergen

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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 15:52:22 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:52:22 -0400
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] feature request for new highlight groups
In-Reply-To: <20081101223150.GE6254@case.a42.local>
References: <20081101212146.GC6254@case.a42.local>
	<20081101212723.GA30382@jg.home>
	<20081101214509.GD6254@case.a42.local>
	<20081101215043.GB30382@jg.home>
	<20081101223150.GE6254@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: <20081101225222.GC30382@jg.home>

On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 11:31:50PM +0100, Juergen Descher wrote:
>Sorry, does that mean something like 'hl-Indicator' will not be
>applied, cause it's an 'UI element'? That would be very bad.

No, it means that the indicator should have the class 
hl-Indicator instead of indicator if it's to have a highlight 
group.

>If I change CompItemSelected into CompItem[selected], then this will
>work:
>
>  :hi  CompItem[selected]
>  Key   Sample  CSS
>  CompItem[selected]    XXX     background-color: yellow;
>  
>but any of this:
>  :hi  CompItem[selected] background-color: #101010
>  :hi  CompItem[selected=true] background-color: #101010
>  Unknown highlight keyword

You misunderstand. The table row needs to have the class 
hl-CompItem, and the CompItem group needs to be specified by 
itself as a highlight group. Then, CompItem can be used as a 
highlight group and followed by any CSS selector. I'll add 
highlight groups for the completion items later today.

-- 
Kris Maglione

i've wondered whether Linux sysfs should be called syphilis
	--forsyth


From jhdl at gmx.net  Sat Nov  1 16:19:49 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:19:49 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] feature request for new highlight groups
In-Reply-To: <20081101225222.GC30382@jg.home>
References: <20081101212146.GC6254@case.a42.local>
	<20081101212723.GA30382@jg.home>
	<20081101214509.GD6254@case.a42.local>
	<20081101215043.GB30382@jg.home>
	<20081101223150.GE6254@case.a42.local>
	<20081101225222.GC30382@jg.home>
Message-ID: <20081101231949.GF6254@case.a42.local>

Hi Kris,

thanks for your explanations!

Quoting Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> (Sa, 01 Nov 2008, 18:52:22):
> selector. I'll add highlight groups for the completion items later today.

This will be the best :-)

Have a nice day!
Juergen

From mail407 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  1 21:22:54 2008
From: mail407 at gmail.com (Andrei)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:22:54 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] charhints for desktop navigation
Message-ID: <8f6da5150811012122u6236acb0sb41341aaeff701eb@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings Vimperator's people!

I am not sure if this is a relevant posting to this list, leaving it
up to the Moderator.

I was inspired by the Vimperator charhints idea,  and wrote a little
program which
uses charhints for navigating the Linux desktop.  My program pops up a menu
with the colored list of windows, marked by letters a-z.
Pressing the key a-z "teleports" to that window:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/wmjump/

I just wanted to invite the people from the Vimperator's list to test
this program,
because it was inspired by Vimperator. I think those interested in Vimperator
will be also interested in this, because it further reduces the use of
the mouse.

Andrei.

From jhdl at gmx.net  Sun Nov  2 03:39:45 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:39:45 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] feature request for new highlight groups
In-Reply-To: <20081101225222.GC30382@jg.home>
References: <20081101212146.GC6254@case.a42.local>
	<20081101212723.GA30382@jg.home>
	<20081101214509.GD6254@case.a42.local>
	<20081101215043.GB30382@jg.home>
	<20081101223150.GE6254@case.a42.local>
	<20081101225222.GC30382@jg.home>
Message-ID: <20081102113944.GA6017@case.a42.local>

Hi Kris,

Quoting Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> (Sa, 01 Nov 2008, 18:52:22):
> selector. I'll add highlight groups for the completion items later today.

Thanks a lot, for doing this!

Best Regards
Juergen

From jacobchappelle at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 10:47:07 2008
From: jacobchappelle at gmail.com (Jacob)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:47:07 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] feature request for new highlight groups
In-Reply-To: <20081102113944.GA6017@case.a42.local>
References: <20081101212146.GC6254@case.a42.local>
	<20081101212723.GA30382@jg.home>
	<20081101214509.GD6254@case.a42.local>
	<20081101215043.GB30382@jg.home>
	<20081101223150.GE6254@case.a42.local>
	<20081101225222.GC30382@jg.home>
	<20081102113944.GA6017@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: <3ec81ae0811021047i12a2e6e3u23e247a1793274cb@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Vimperator supporters,

I would really like to use Vimperator on my Ubuntu Hardy Heron under Firefox
3 or even Firefox 2, however everytime I try to install this I get an error.
For example when I try to install Vimperator on Firefox 2.0.0.17 using
Addons under Tools in Firefox 2, this happens...

The most recent version compatible with Firefox (2.0.0.17)
Version 0.5.3<https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addons/versions/4891#version-0.5.3>
?
December 21, 2007 ? 118 KB

*Add to Firefox
*<https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/downloads/file/22115/vimperator-0.5.3-fx.xpi>
ok so I click on the install button and I get an Error popup window with an
Exclamation Mark that says exactly this.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Firefox could not install the file at

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/downloads/file/22115/vimperator-0.5.3-fx.xpi

because: Unexpected installation error
Review the Error Console log for more details
-203
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

So, then I look at the error console and I see this message...

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
installLocation has no properties
file:///usr/lib/firefox/components/nsExtensionManager.js
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Does anybody have any idea what the problem is with this? or how to overcome
this to install Vimperator...

I would really like to install Vimperator and use it on Ubuntu with Firefox
2 or 3, but so far I have not been
able to overcome this problem.


Thanks

Jake
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Vimperator mailing list
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From jhdl at gmx.net  Sun Nov  2 11:05:01 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:05:01 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Ubuntu ff2,ff3 and vimperator install
In-Reply-To: <3ec81ae0811021047i12a2e6e3u23e247a1793274cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081101212146.GC6254@case.a42.local>
	<20081101212723.GA30382@jg.home>
	<20081101214509.GD6254@case.a42.local>
	<20081101215043.GB30382@jg.home>
	<20081101223150.GE6254@case.a42.local>
	<20081101225222.GC30382@jg.home>
	<20081102113944.GA6017@case.a42.local>
	<3ec81ae0811021047i12a2e6e3u23e247a1793274cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081102190501.GB6017@case.a42.local>

Sorry not the answer you like, but:

Quoting Jacob <jacobchappelle at gmail.com> (So, 02 Nov 2008, 10:47:07):
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> installLocation has no properties
> file:///usr/lib/firefox/components/nsExtensionManager.js
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
debian etch:
  $> locate nsExtensionManager.js
  /usr/lib/iceweasel/components/nsExtensionManager.js
  /usr/lib/xulrunner/components/nsExtensionManager.js

keep in mind: on debian 'firefox' is named 'iceweasel'

debian lenny:
  $> locate nsExtensionManager.js
  /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/components/nsExtensionManager.js

May be 'xulrunner' will help.

HTH
Juergen

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 11:05:28 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:05:28 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] charhints for desktop navigation
In-Reply-To: <8f6da5150811012122u6236acb0sb41341aaeff701eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8f6da5150811012122u6236acb0sb41341aaeff701eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081102190528.GG30382@jg.home>

On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 09:22:54PM -0700, Andrei wrote:
>I was inspired by the Vimperator charhints idea,  and wrote a little
>program which
>uses charhints for navigating the Linux desktop.  My program pops up a menu
>with the colored list of windows, marked by letters a-z.
>Pressing the key a-z "teleports" to that window:

Neat idea. I don't think it applies so much to users of tiling 
window managers, like myself. I'm rarely more than 3-4 key 
strokes away from any window, but it seems a nice alternative to 
the classic Alt-tab model. I suppose, since you use a-z, you 
can't narrow down your choices by typing a title, or something?

As a side note, what happened to SourceForge? Christ, that's 
bright. Just when I thought they couldn't get much worse, they 
discovered the Web 2.0. And non-backwards-compatible Ajax. :(

-- 
Kris Maglione

I had a running compiler and nobody would touch it.  They told me
computers could only do arithmetic.
	--Rear Admiral Grace Hopper


From jacobchappelle at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 11:24:41 2008
From: jacobchappelle at gmail.com (Jacob)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:24:41 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator install problem.
Message-ID: <3ec81ae0811021124vf376b1ar91566bc279fc3d79@mail.gmail.com>

Just posting this to it's own thread here...

Hello Vimperator supporters,

I would really like to use Vimperator on my Ubuntu Hardy Heron under Firefox
3 or even Firefox 2, however everytime I try to install this I get an error.
For example when I try to install Vimperator on Firefox 2.0.0.17 using
Addons under Tools in Firefox 2, this happens...

The most recent version compatible with Firefox (2.0.0.17)
Version 0.5.3 ? December 21, 2007 ? 118 KB

Add to Firefox
ok so I click on the install button and I get an Error popup window with an
Exclamation Mark that says exactly this.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Firefox could not install the file at

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/downloads/file/22115/vimperator-0.5.3-fx.xpi

because: Unexpected installation error
Review the Error Console log for more details
-203
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

So, then I look at the error console and I see this message...

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
installLocation has no properties
file:///usr/lib/firefox/components/nsExtensionManager.js
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Does anybody have any idea what the problem is with this? or how to overcome
this to install Vimperator...

I would really like to install Vimperator and use it on Ubuntu with Firefox
2 or 3, but so far I have not been
able to overcome this problem.


Thanks

Jake
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 11:53:42 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:53:42 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator install problem.
In-Reply-To: <3ec81ae0811021124vf376b1ar91566bc279fc3d79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3ec81ae0811021124vf376b1ar91566bc279fc3d79@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081102195342.GH30382@jg.home>

On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 11:24:41AM -0800, Jacob wrote:
>I would really like to use Vimperator on my Ubuntu Hardy Heron under Firefox
>3 or even Firefox 2, however everytime I try to install this I get an error.
>For example when I try to install Vimperator on Firefox 2.0.0.17 using
>Addons under Tools in Firefox 2, this happens...
>
>The most recent version compatible with Firefox (2.0.0.17)
>Version 0.5.3 ? December 21, 2007 ? 118 KB

I'd suggest that you use at least version 1.2, which requires 
Firefox 3. Have you tried it, and if so, do you get similar 
errors?

As a rule, any software with a version <1.0 is generally 
unsupported once a 1.0 version comes out.

>So, then I look at the error console and I see this message...
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>installLocation has no properties
>file:///usr/lib/firefox/components/nsExtensionManager.js
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Does it give you a line number? I'm afraid that it won't ne an 
easy error to track down, and you'll likely get more help from a 
Firefox mailing list or IRC channel (but probably not much, in 
my experience).

-- 
Kris Maglione

Beware of "the real world".  A speaker's apeal to it is always an
invitation not to challenge his tacit assumptions.
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


From jacobchappelle at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 11:55:10 2008
From: jacobchappelle at gmail.com (Jacob)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:55:10 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator install problem.
In-Reply-To: <20081102195342.GH30382@jg.home>
References: <3ec81ae0811021124vf376b1ar91566bc279fc3d79@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081102195342.GH30382@jg.home>
Message-ID: <3ec81ae0811021155w17732102s41cca30d1285699b@mail.gmail.com>

Same problem occurs with Vimperator 1.2 and FF3

Jake


On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 11:24:41AM -0800, Jacob wrote:
>
>> I would really like to use Vimperator on my Ubuntu Hardy Heron under
>> Firefox
>> 3 or even Firefox 2, however everytime I try to install this I get an
>> error.
>> For example when I try to install Vimperator on Firefox 2.0.0.17 using
>> Addons under Tools in Firefox 2, this happens...
>>
>> The most recent version compatible with Firefox (2.0.0.17)
>> Version 0.5.3 ? December 21, 2007 ? 118 KB
>>
>
> I'd suggest that you use at least version 1.2, which requires Firefox 3.
> Have you tried it, and if so, do you get similar errors?
>
> As a rule, any software with a version <1.0 is generally unsupported once a
> 1.0 version comes out.
>
>  So, then I look at the error console and I see this message...
>>
>>
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> installLocation has no properties
>> file:///usr/lib/firefox/components/nsExtensionManager.js
>>
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>
> Does it give you a line number? I'm afraid that it won't ne an easy error
> to track down, and you'll likely get more help from a Firefox mailing list
> or IRC channel (but probably not much, in my experience).
>
> --
> Kris Maglione
>
> Beware of "the real world".  A speaker's apeal to it is always an
> invitation not to challenge his tacit assumptions.
>        --Edsger W. Dijkstra
>
> _______________________________________________
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 11:35:39 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:35:39 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator install problem.
In-Reply-To: <3ec81ae0811021124vf376b1ar91566bc279fc3d79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3ec81ae0811021124vf376b1ar91566bc279fc3d79@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811021135t605a6760ne410cb990083551e@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/2 Jacob <jacobchappelle at gmail.com>:
> Just posting this to it's own thread here...
>
> Hello Vimperator supporters,
>
> I would really like to use Vimperator on my Ubuntu Hardy Heron under Firefox
> 3 or even Firefox 2, however everytime I try to install this I get an error.
> For example when I try to install Vimperator on Firefox 2.0.0.17 using
> Addons under Tools in Firefox 2, this happens...
>
> The most recent version compatible with Firefox (2.0.0.17)
> Version 0.5.3 ? December 21, 2007 ? 118 KB
>
> Add to Firefox
> ok so I click on the install button and I get an Error popup window with an
> Exclamation Mark that says exactly this.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Firefox could not install the file at
>
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/downloads/file/22115/vimperator-0.5.3-fx.xpi
>
> because: Unexpected installation error
> Review the Error Console log for more details
> -203
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> So, then I look at the error console and I see this message...
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> installLocation has no properties
> file:///usr/lib/firefox/components/nsExtensionManager.js
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Does anybody have any idea what the problem is with this? or how to overcome
> this to install Vimperator...
>
> I would really like to install Vimperator and use it on Ubuntu with Firefox
> 2 or 3, but so far I have not been
> able to overcome this problem.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Jake

From where are you installing Vimperator? Try here in Firefox 3:
http://download.vimperator.org/vimperator/vimperator_1.2.xpi

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?

?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From jhdl at gmx.net  Sun Nov  2 12:30:21 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:30:21 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] feature request to add arg '-replace, -r' to ':hi'
Message-ID: <20081102203021.GC6017@case.a42.local>

Hi Kris, @all,

loving the ':hi' command I stuck in some quirks defining mappings in
my .vimprc where I like to replace some colors. For this I have to
give a bunch of args to the hi mappings. Doing some mappings for
'Hint' can lead in surprising results if you forget to add 'position:
absolute'. All hints will be shown at the bottom of the page ... lucky
if you'll see this. First thought: A BUG! ;>

So, (as a js newbie) I tried to add an arg '-replace, -r'. With this
you can do something like that:

  :hi Normal
  Key           Sample  CSS
  Normal        XXX     color: white;background-color: #202020
  :hi -r Normal colors: pink;

and? Nothing will happen, cause it's an ugly color :) No, cause
'colors' does not exist in the old hl-group -> do nothing.

  :hi Normal
  Key           Sample  CSS
  Normal        XXX     color: white;background-color: #202020

Ok we try:

  :hi -r Normal color: blue;
  :hi Normal
  Key           Sample  CSS
  Normal        XXX     color: blue;background-color: #202020


Please don't blame me for the code (attached patch), take it as a
suggestion. It would be simple to extend it in the meaning of
'-remove' a single style from the hl-group, or ...

Regards
Juergen
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From jhdl at gmx.net  Sun Nov  2 12:32:01 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:32:01 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator install problem.
In-Reply-To: <3ec81ae0811021155w17732102s41cca30d1285699b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3ec81ae0811021124vf376b1ar91566bc279fc3d79@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081102195342.GH30382@jg.home>
	<3ec81ae0811021155w17732102s41cca30d1285699b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081102203201.GD6017@case.a42.local>

May be 'xulrunner' will help.

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 12:40:20 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:40:20 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] feature request to add arg '-replace, -r' to ':hi'
In-Reply-To: <20081102203021.GC6017@case.a42.local>
References: <20081102203021.GC6017@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: <20081102204020.GI30382@jg.home>

On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 09:30:21PM +0100, Juergen Descher wrote:
>Hi Kris, @all,
>
>loving the ':hi' command I stuck in some quirks defining mappings in
>my .vimprc where I like to replace some colors. For this I have to
>give a bunch of args to the hi mappings. Doing some mappings for
>'Hint' can lead in surprising results if you forget to add 'position:
>absolute'. All hints will be shown at the bottom of the page ... lucky
>if you'll see this. First thought: A BUG! ;>

I've actually considered it (as the default behavior, actually), 
but at least for now you can use -append. I need to talk it over 
with the Martin, et al. before I do add it, though. I've also 
just moved those attributes (z-index, position, ...) to 
liberator.css, since they really don't have anything to do with 
highlighting.

-- 
Kris Maglione

For a sucessful technology, honesty must take precedence over public
relations for nature cannot be fooled.
	--Richard Feynman


From jhdl at gmx.net  Sun Nov  2 12:51:20 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:51:20 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] feature request to add arg '-replace, -r' to ':hi'
In-Reply-To: <20081102204020.GI30382@jg.home>
References: <20081102203021.GC6017@case.a42.local>
	<20081102204020.GI30382@jg.home>
Message-ID: <20081102205120.GE6017@case.a42.local>

Hi Kris,

thanks for your replay.

Quoting Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> (So, 02 Nov 2008, 15:40:20):
> On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 09:30:21PM +0100, Juergen Descher wrote:
> I've actually considered it (as the default behavior, actually), but at 
> least for now you can use -append.

I'll use my '-replace' :))

> I need to talk it over with the 
> Martin, et al. before I do add it, though. I've also just moved those 
> attributes (z-index, position, ...) to liberator.css, since they really 
> don't have anything to do with highlighting.

ACK

Regards
Juergen

From jhdl at gmx.net  Mon Nov  3 05:54:15 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:54:15 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] feature request to add arg '-replace, -r' to ':hi'
In-Reply-To: <20081102203021.GC6017@case.a42.local>
References: <20081102203021.GC6017@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: <20081103135415.GF6017@case.a42.local>

Eventually someone is psychotically enough to think about my code,
I'll provide a hopefully 'fixed' version, Yeah, perl and js is quite
different :)

cu
Juergen


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From Daniel.Trstenjak at online.de  Mon Nov  3 11:22:34 2008
From: Daniel.Trstenjak at online.de (Daniel Trstenjak)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:22:34 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] charhints for desktop navigation
In-Reply-To: <8f6da5150811012122u6236acb0sb41341aaeff701eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8f6da5150811012122u6236acb0sb41341aaeff701eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081103192234.GA8782@laptop>


Hi Andrei,

> I was inspired by the Vimperator charhints idea,  and wrote a little
> program which
> uses charhints for navigating the Linux desktop.  My program pops up a menu
> with the colored list of windows, marked by letters a-z.
> Pressing the key a-z "teleports" to that window:

I think it's even more convient if you're able to give any window a
letter, and jump to the window by pressing this letter (in conjunction
with some modifier).

I have a modified version of the script 'bookmarks.lua' (attached) from
the ion3 window manager (http://modeemi.fi/~tuomov/ion/) homepage.


META=Super_L (in my case), n=a...z

META+m n  Set bookmark n for current window 
META+g n  Go to bookmark n


But like Kris already said, in the case of a tiling window manager, it's
not so much needed.


Greetings,
Daniel
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-- 
--  WClientWin bookmark support for Ion3
-- 
-- META+G n    Go to bookmark n (n=a...z)
-- META+M n    Set bookmark n
-- 

local bms={}
bookmarks={}

function bookmarks.set(key, clientWin)
    bms[key]=clientWin
end

function bookmarks.goto(key)
    if bms[key] then
        bms[key]:goto()
    end
end

keys="abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"
for i=1,keys:len() do
    local key=keys:sub(i, i)
    defbindings("WScreen", {
        submap(META.."G", {
               kpress(key, function() bookmarks.goto(key) end),
        })
    })
    defbindings("WClientWin", {
        submap(META.."M", {
               kpress(key, function(clientWin) bookmarks.set(key, clientWin) end),
        })
    })
end


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Tue Nov  4 06:37:52 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:37:52 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Different behavior of Y and Cmd+C
In-Reply-To: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>
References: <490A0DB4.2060507@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49105E40.1020600@tedpavlic.com>

> I feel like this topic has been discussed, but a quick search of the 
> group returns nothing.

If you go down through this thread, you'll see that a resolution to this 
problem involved making a custom macro that issues Cmd+C automatically.

Now that I've been using that custom macro, I notice something else 
strange when copying BULLETED lists.

Before I added the macro, hitting "Y" (i.e., Vimperator "Y") would turn 
bullets into hashes (#). After I added the macro, hitting "Y" (i.e., 
Cmd+Y) turns bullets into asterisks (*).

I *think* the latter behavior is probably better. Any idea why 
Vimperator's copy replaces bullets with hashes?

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Tue Nov  4 07:15:40 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:15:40 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Turning vimperator off in GMail, GReader, GCal
In-Reply-To: <4908715C.8080404@tedpavlic.com>
References: <62a60dd90810281026obc6594dub5c0dc0c3f4af03@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081028234148.GB6963@intoxicatedmind.net>
	<49085894.6030002@tedpavlic.com>
	<6eebba490810290621t4050f23ckf13224ffea5d826d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4908715C.8080404@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <4910671C.90701@tedpavlic.com>

> Note that:
> 
> 	:help autocmd-examples
> 
> has some (better) options:
> 
> 	For all Google sites:
...

Is there a way to turn off pass thru when you switch to a different TAB 
and then turn it back on when you jump back to the gmail tab?

At the moment, in GMail passthru, if you click on a new tab, you'll stay 
in pass-thru mode.

Just a thought --
Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From teramako at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 07:53:13 2008
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:53:13 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] Turning vimperator off in GMail, GReader, GCal
In-Reply-To: <4910671C.90701@tedpavlic.com>
References: <62a60dd90810281026obc6594dub5c0dc0c3f4af03@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081028234148.GB6963@intoxicatedmind.net>
	<49085894.6030002@tedpavlic.com>
	<6eebba490810290621t4050f23ckf13224ffea5d826d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4908715C.8080404@tedpavlic.com> <4910671C.90701@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <6eebba490811040753x19bb3fa0s54b2c9e8478c675c@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
>> Note that:
>>
>>        :help autocmd-examples
>>
>> has some (better) options:
>>
>>        For all Google sites:
>
> ...
>
> Is there a way to turn off pass thru when you switch to a different TAB and
> then turn it back on when you jump back to the gmail tab?
>
> At the moment, in GMail passthru, if you click on a new tab, you'll stay in
> pass-thru mode.

I think it needs to define
:autocmd LocationChange .* :js modes.passAllKeys=false


Now, I use a plugin (
http://coderepos.org/share/browser/lang/javascript/vimperator-plugins/trunk/feedSomeKeys_2.js
) which can feed only specifed keys to web contents
so I little need to set pass-through :)
--
teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/

From mail407 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 09:23:46 2008
From: mail407 at gmail.com (Andrei)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:23:46 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] charhints for desktop navigation
In-Reply-To: <20081103192234.GA8782@laptop>
References: <8f6da5150811012122u6236acb0sb41341aaeff701eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081103192234.GA8782@laptop>
Message-ID: <8f6da5150811040923j7667111bi18871506a6b768c3@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Kris and Daniel,

it seems that everybody uses Ion3 these days. I love Ion3, but for
some reason I now use Xfce.

Kris, I cannot narrow the selection by typing the title, that's true.
Because all the letter keys
are already reserved... I don't know how to implement what you
suggested, have to think
about it. I am planning to introduce an option:

wmjump  --current

which would only list windows on the current desktop, that would help
to reduce the clutter...

Daniel, if I understand you correctly, in your approach the user
chooses a shortcut letter for
each window by pressing META+m n , somewhat similar to setting a mark in Vim.
In my approach, the computer assigns a letter automatically to every
window based on the
historic order. Which way is better? I think it depends on how often
you open and close
windows. My computer has rather small amount of memory, so I prefer to
close those
applications which are not currently in use. Also, for some reason I
have to reboot every
day. In this situation, I prefer to have the shortcut letters
auto-generated, as in wmjump.

If I remember correctly, in Ion3 you can press Alt-K and this brings
up the list of windows,
which you can then navigate using P and N. Pressing Enter on the item
brings you to
that window. This would be fine for me, except for two things. First
of all, I feel like a
woodpecker pressing P and N many times. Would it be possible to modify
the Ion Lua
script so that it puts a charhint next to each item, and then I just
press that letter? The
second thing, I want the list color-coded. Note that in the standard
Alt-Tab you have
an application icon next to each item. Either that or color coding. In
Ion3 menu, there is not
much space for an app icon, but would it be hard to use color coding
like in my wmjump?

Actually, what is the best way to install Ion3 on Xubuntu Hardy Heron?

Andrei.


On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Daniel Trstenjak
<Daniel.Trstenjak at online.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Andrei,
>
>> I was inspired by the Vimperator charhints idea,  and wrote a little
>> program which
>> uses charhints for navigating the Linux desktop.  My program pops up a menu
>> with the colored list of windows, marked by letters a-z.
>> Pressing the key a-z "teleports" to that window:
>
> I think it's even more convient if you're able to give any window a
> letter, and jump to the window by pressing this letter (in conjunction
> with some modifier).
>
> I have a modified version of the script 'bookmarks.lua' (attached) from
> the ion3 window manager (http://modeemi.fi/~tuomov/ion/) homepage.
>
>
> META=Super_L (in my case), n=a...z
>
> META+m n  Set bookmark n for current window
> META+g n  Go to bookmark n
>
>
> But like Kris already said, in the case of a tiling window manager, it's
> not so much needed.
>
>
> Greetings,
> Daniel
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>

From Daniel.Trstenjak at online.de  Tue Nov  4 11:52:23 2008
From: Daniel.Trstenjak at online.de (Daniel Trstenjak)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:52:23 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] charhints for desktop navigation
In-Reply-To: <8f6da5150811040923j7667111bi18871506a6b768c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8f6da5150811012122u6236acb0sb41341aaeff701eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081103192234.GA8782@laptop>
	<8f6da5150811040923j7667111bi18871506a6b768c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081104195223.GA12132@laptop>


Hi Andrei,

> it seems that everybody uses Ion3 these days. I love Ion3, but for
> some reason I now use Xfce.

Some guys on this list are using awesome (http://awesome.naquadah.org/).

I'm for ion3, perhaps only because the main developer Tuomo is so much
funnier. <G>

> which would only list windows on the current desktop, that would help
> to reduce the clutter...

If you mean by desktop a workspace, it's also nice to jump directly to
a window in an other workspace.

> Daniel, if I understand you correctly, in your approach the user
> chooses a shortcut letter for
> each window by pressing META+m n , somewhat similar to setting a mark in Vim.

Yes.

> In my approach, the computer assigns a letter automatically to every
> window based on the historic order. Which way is better?

As always, it depends.

> I think it depends on how often you open and close windows. My
> computer has rather small amount of memory, so I prefer to close those
> applications which are not currently in use. Also, for some reason I
> have to reboot every day. In this situation, I prefer to have the
> shortcut letters auto-generated, as in wmjump.

That's ok. 

> If I remember correctly, in Ion3 you can press Alt-K and this brings
> up the list of windows, which you can then navigate using P and N.

It's holding ALT-K und pressing K to open the list and to go through the
items of the list. Releasing the pressed keys will open the selected
window.

Actually I'm never using this. I'm just jumping between my workspaces
and from tab to tab. Works very well for me.

> Pressing Enter on the item brings you to that window. This would be
> fine for me, except for two things. First of all, I feel like a
> woodpecker pressing P and N many times. Would it be possible to modify
> the Ion Lua script so that it puts a charhint next to each item, and
> then I just press that letter? The second thing, I want the list
> color-coded. Note that in the standard Alt-Tab you have an application
> icon next to each item. Either that or color coding. In Ion3 menu,
> there is not much space for an app icon, but would it be hard to use
> color coding like in my wmjump?

I have no idea how much work such changes would involve. 

> Actually, what is the best way to install Ion3 on Xubuntu Hardy Heron?

I have Ubuntu Hardy Heron and just installed the ion3 package from the
default repository. With Ubuntu you can then choose from the login
screen to start an ion3 session. 



Greetings,
Daniel

From nemolivier at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 01:01:26 2008
From: nemolivier at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Olivier_Gu=C3=A9ry?=)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:01:26 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Turning vimperator off in GMail, GReader, GCal
In-Reply-To: <6eebba490811040753x19bb3fa0s54b2c9e8478c675c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <62a60dd90810281026obc6594dub5c0dc0c3f4af03@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081028234148.GB6963@intoxicatedmind.net>
	<49085894.6030002@tedpavlic.com>
	<6eebba490810290621t4050f23ckf13224ffea5d826d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4908715C.8080404@tedpavlic.com> <4910671C.90701@tedpavlic.com>
	<6eebba490811040753x19bb3fa0s54b2c9e8478c675c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c2c86e70811050101x525d85e8pe3f7be707f6f0dc@mail.gmail.com>

> Now, I use a plugin (
> http://coderepos.org/share/browser/lang/javascript/vimperator-plugins/trunk/feedSomeKeys_2.js
> ) which can feed only specifed keys to web contents
> so I little need to set pass-through :)

This one look's great. Maybee it cool be _the_ solution for
g{mail,reader}. Is there some hope to use it in other languages ?

Cheers,
Olivier.

-- 
[Message tap? sur un clavier B?po : http://www.clavier-dvorak.org ]
http://nemolivier.blogspot.com

From teramako at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 05:58:00 2008
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:58:00 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] Turning vimperator off in GMail, GReader, GCal
In-Reply-To: <6eebba490811040753x19bb3fa0s54b2c9e8478c675c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <62a60dd90810281026obc6594dub5c0dc0c3f4af03@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081028234148.GB6963@intoxicatedmind.net>
	<49085894.6030002@tedpavlic.com>
	<6eebba490810290621t4050f23ckf13224ffea5d826d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4908715C.8080404@tedpavlic.com> <4910671C.90701@tedpavlic.com>
	<6eebba490811040753x19bb3fa0s54b2c9e8478c675c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6eebba490811050558o6f2c2b53od999038f8e104c58@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:53 AM, M. Terada <teramako at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
>>> Note that:
>>>
>>>        :help autocmd-examples
>>>
>>> has some (better) options:
>>>
>>>        For all Google sites:
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Is there a way to turn off pass thru when you switch to a different TAB and
>> then turn it back on when you jump back to the gmail tab?
>>
>> At the moment, in GMail passthru, if you click on a new tab, you'll stay in
>> pass-thru mode.
>
> I think it needs to define
> :autocmd LocationChange .* :js modes.passAllKeys=false
>
I'm sorry.
The following url is a better example.
http://vimperator.org/trac/wiki/Vimperator/Wiki#Usefulautocommands

Best regards
--
teramako

From teramako at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 06:20:58 2008
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:20:58 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] Turning vimperator off in GMail, GReader, GCal
In-Reply-To: <5c2c86e70811050101x525d85e8pe3f7be707f6f0dc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <62a60dd90810281026obc6594dub5c0dc0c3f4af03@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081028234148.GB6963@intoxicatedmind.net>
	<49085894.6030002@tedpavlic.com>
	<6eebba490810290621t4050f23ckf13224ffea5d826d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4908715C.8080404@tedpavlic.com> <4910671C.90701@tedpavlic.com>
	<6eebba490811040753x19bb3fa0s54b2c9e8478c675c@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70811050101x525d85e8pe3f7be707f6f0dc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6eebba490811050620k456605b1pd666f3ca56353001@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Olivier Gu?ry <nemolivier at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Now, I use a plugin (
>> http://coderepos.org/share/browser/lang/javascript/vimperator-plugins/trunk/feedSomeKeys_2.js
>> ) which can feed only specifed keys to web contents
>> so I little need to set pass-through :)
>
> This one look's great. Maybee it cool be _the_ solution for
> g{mail,reader}. Is there some hope to use it in other languages ?
>
OK.

I challenged the translation.
but I'm not good at English :(
I'm grad you understand my English ...

Best regards
--
teramako
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From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Nov  5 07:02:00 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:02:00 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Hashes, Asterisks, and copying
Message-ID: <4911B568.4000209@tedpavlic.com>

I posted a message about this earlier, but I made a mistake in how I 
described the problem. Instead, I'll give an example...

Try this page:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96541075

If I highlight the four lines in the "Tuesday's Pick" box and then hit 
"Y" and paste here, I get:

# Song: "On the Water"
# Artist: The Walkmen
# CD: You & Me
# Genre: Rock

However, if I remap "Y" to issue a Cmd+C and invoke the "Copy" from 
Firefox's "Edit" menu, I get:

     * Song: "On the Water"
     * Artist: The Walkmen
     * CD: You & Me
     * Genre: Rock

See? Asterisks here... Hashes there...

Why the difference? Is it a bug?

	--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 07:43:07 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:43:07 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Hashes, Asterisks, and copying
In-Reply-To: <4911B568.4000209@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4911B568.4000209@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081105154307.GA2328@jg.home>

On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 10:02:00AM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> See? Asterisks here... Hashes there...
>
> Why the difference? Is it a bug?

It's a bug, but it's not ours. You'd think that FF would use the 
same code for copying the selection to the clipboard as it does 
for copying the selection's text, but, apparantly not. I'm 
starting to think we should just send <C-c>/<M-c> events rather 
than trying to copy the selection ourselves.

-- 
Kris Maglione

There are two ways of constructing a software design.  One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies.  And the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies.
	--C.A.R. Hoare


From nemolivier at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 00:17:04 2008
From: nemolivier at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Olivier_Gu=C3=A9ry?=)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:17:04 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Turning vimperator off in GMail, GReader, GCal
In-Reply-To: <6eebba490811050620k456605b1pd666f3ca56353001@mail.gmail.com>
References: <62a60dd90810281026obc6594dub5c0dc0c3f4af03@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081028234148.GB6963@intoxicatedmind.net>
	<49085894.6030002@tedpavlic.com>
	<6eebba490810290621t4050f23ckf13224ffea5d826d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4908715C.8080404@tedpavlic.com> <4910671C.90701@tedpavlic.com>
	<6eebba490811040753x19bb3fa0s54b2c9e8478c675c@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70811050101x525d85e8pe3f7be707f6f0dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811050620k456605b1pd666f3ca56353001@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c2c86e70811060017s4142a803n6f2a569cb3e3f9d1@mail.gmail.com>

Thank's for the translation.
It seem's to not work with gmail but well with google reader.

Strange thing : I can't use gb / gw to change tab but they are not
defined in the settings.

But I must repeat : this is the best solution I read.

Olivier.

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 03:41:30 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:41:30 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
Message-ID: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>

Firefox 3.1 is right around the corner, and after testing a beta today
I am very happy with the application. I will not be able to move to
3.1 until VImperator is updated, so might I ask if there are plans to
do so? In fact, with all the bugfixes in the past few months, is a new
release not imminent anyway?

Thanks Martin and to all else who contribute to Vimperator!

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?

?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From dpb at driftaway.org  Thu Nov  6 04:15:14 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:15:14 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/6 Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>:
> Firefox 3.1 is right around the corner, and after testing a beta today
> I am very happy with the application. I will not be able to move to
> 3.1 until VImperator is updated, so might I ask if there are plans to
> do so? In fact, with all the bugfixes in the past few months, is a new
> release not imminent anyway?
>
> Thanks Martin and to all else who contribute to Vimperator!

The CVS version does work with 3.1, but it's currently pretty broken.
We should stop adding all the cool new features for a while and squash
the bugs so we could actually release it someday... *looks at Kris*

--
Daniel

From nemolivier at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 04:37:04 2008
From: nemolivier at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Olivier_Gu=C3=A9ry?=)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:37:04 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c2c86e70811060437s3067927bq9f46e20ddc7819dd@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/6 Daniel Bainton <dpb at driftaway.org>:
> 2008/11/6 Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>:
>> Firefox 3.1 is right around the corner, and after testing a beta today
>> I am very happy with the application. I will not be able to move to
>> 3.1 until VImperator is updated, so might I ask if there are plans to
>> do so? In fact, with all the bugfixes in the past few months, is a new
>> release not imminent anyway?
>>
>> Thanks Martin and to all else who contribute to Vimperator!
>
> The CVS version does work with 3.1, but it's currently pretty broken.
> We should stop adding all the cool new features for a while and squash
> the bugs so we could actually release it someday... *looks at Kris*

Good idear.
But before, can you please add the rss tip as an option ? :D
http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/17
It's an old request and a realy missing part in current vimperator.

Cheers,
Olivier.

-- 
[Message tap? sur un clavier B?po : http://www.clavier-dvorak.org ]
http://nemolivier.blogspot.com

From teramako at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 04:40:51 2008
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:40:51 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] Turning vimperator off in GMail, GReader, GCal
In-Reply-To: <5c2c86e70811060017s4142a803n6f2a569cb3e3f9d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <62a60dd90810281026obc6594dub5c0dc0c3f4af03@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081028234148.GB6963@intoxicatedmind.net>
	<49085894.6030002@tedpavlic.com>
	<6eebba490810290621t4050f23ckf13224ffea5d826d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4908715C.8080404@tedpavlic.com> <4910671C.90701@tedpavlic.com>
	<6eebba490811040753x19bb3fa0s54b2c9e8478c675c@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70811050101x525d85e8pe3f7be707f6f0dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811050620k456605b1pd666f3ca56353001@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70811060017s4142a803n6f2a569cb3e3f9d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6eebba490811060440sc674bf2g68315b3b348b6cc7@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Olivier Gu?ry <nemolivier at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank's for the translation.
> It seem's to not work with gmail but well with google reader.
>
> Strange thing : I can't use gb / gw to change tab but they are not
> defined in the settings.
>

I could not find gw map in vimperator. Is it defined ?
And gb works good .
I don't know why it doesn't work ...

--
teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/

From nemolivier at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 04:53:34 2008
From: nemolivier at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Olivier_Gu=C3=A9ry?=)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:53:34 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Turning vimperator off in GMail, GReader, GCal
In-Reply-To: <6eebba490811060440sc674bf2g68315b3b348b6cc7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <62a60dd90810281026obc6594dub5c0dc0c3f4af03@mail.gmail.com>
	<49085894.6030002@tedpavlic.com>
	<6eebba490810290621t4050f23ckf13224ffea5d826d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4908715C.8080404@tedpavlic.com> <4910671C.90701@tedpavlic.com>
	<6eebba490811040753x19bb3fa0s54b2c9e8478c675c@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70811050101x525d85e8pe3f7be707f6f0dc@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811050620k456605b1pd666f3ca56353001@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70811060017s4142a803n6f2a569cb3e3f9d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811060440sc674bf2g68315b3b348b6cc7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c2c86e70811060453h7eaf0950q9d31b1f6433731de@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/6 M. Terada <teramako at gmail.com>:
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Olivier Gu?ry <nemolivier at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thank's for the translation.
>> It seem's to not work with gmail but well with google reader.
>>
>> Strange thing : I can't use gb / gw to change tab but they are not
>> defined in the settings.
>>
>
> I could not find gw map in vimperator. Is it defined ?
> And gb works good .
> I don't know why it doesn't work ...

Maybe a problem with the current cvs? look's quite broken.

Olivier.

-- 
[Message tap? sur un clavier B?po : http://www.clavier-dvorak.org ]
http://nemolivier.blogspot.com

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Nov  6 06:10:47 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:10:47 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100811060610t3a817677g1298fd8b440e80e2@mail.gmail.com>

> The CVS version does work with 3.1, but it's currently pretty broken.
> We should stop adding all the cool new features for a while and squash
> the bugs so we could actually release it someday... *looks at Kris*

I fully agree.

In future commiters really should either:

a) Test a new feature *seriously* some days before commiting or:
b) Work inside a branch, and only commit to HEAD when being sure that
basic things like completions do work, and thinking about other code
which might be affected by the changes, or:
c) Be in #vimperator, so that the one adding/changing things can
quickly fix the most annoying bugs which one introduces.

It's not that a) b) c) are rated by any means, ANY of the 3 options is
really ok, but adding a new feature and leaving HEAD broken seriously
(which completions still are) is not something that I want to happen
again.

This shouldn't sound too harsh, I am really happy about any
contributors - especially Kris did some wonderful things - but I don't
want Vimperator to become a project which HEAD is broken constantly
and things don't get fixed quickly.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Nov  6 06:53:28 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:53:28 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100811060610t3a817677g1298fd8b440e80e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100811060610t3a817677g1298fd8b440e80e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491304E8.6010900@tedpavlic.com>

These comments come squarely from the peanut gallery, and so they may be 
taking much for granted or overlooking something important... but...

>> The CVS version does work with 3.1, but it's currently pretty broken.
>> We should stop adding all the cool new features for a while and squash
>> the bugs so we could actually release it someday... *looks at Kris*
> I fully agree.
> In future commiters really should either:
> 
> a) Test a new feature *seriously* some days before commiting or:
> b) Work inside a branch, and only commit to HEAD when being sure that
> c) Be in #vimperator, so that the one adding/changing things can

Wouldn't (a) and (b) be much easier if Vimperator switched from CVS to 
git or Mercurial? vimperator.org has a "Git" link, but it appears like 
that git repo is still a *mirror* of the CVS repo.

It would take as much time as it takes to do a CVS commit as it would to 
convert the existing CVS repo to a git or hg repo. Then branching and 
merging would be manageable. Plus, I think others would be less hesitant 
to contribute, and their contributions could be pushed onto an 
experimental branch.

I know at least some of the present Vimperator developers have an 
aversion for CVS, and I think recent developments have shown that CVS is 
really on the wrong side of history. Why wait? Switch now and stop the 
chaos.

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 08:08:51 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:08:51 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081106160851.GB2328@jg.home>

On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 02:15:14PM +0200, Daniel Bainton wrote:
>The CVS version does work with 3.1, but it's currently pretty broken.
>We should stop adding all the cool new features for a while and squash
>the bugs so we could actually release it someday... *looks at Kris*

True. Someone should kick me every time I add a new feature. 
But, for the record, most of what I've done lately is fix bugs.

Er, what's broken about the CVS version? I'll fix it.

-- 
Kris Maglione

I'm confident that tomorrow's Unix will look like today's Unix, only
cruftier.
	--Russ Cox


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 08:12:37 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:12:37 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100811060610t3a817677g1298fd8b440e80e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100811060610t3a817677g1298fd8b440e80e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081106161237.GC2328@jg.home>

On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 03:10:47PM +0100, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>a) Test a new feature *seriously* some days before commiting or:
>b) Work inside a branch, and only commit to HEAD when being sure that
>basic things like completions do work, and thinking about other code
>which might be affected by the changes, or:
>c) Be in #vimperator, so that the one adding/changing things can
>quickly fix the most annoying bugs which one introduces.

a and b I can do. Well, I can do b once we switch to a decent 
RCS. c, not so much. I can be there when I make a major commit, 
certainly. We really need to use the issue tracker (or a BUGS 
file) more, I think.

-- 
Kris Maglione

The world is a tragedy to those who feel, but a comedy to those who
think.
	--Horace Walpole


From dpb at driftaway.org  Thu Nov  6 08:18:25 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:18:25 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <20081106161237.GC2328@jg.home>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100811060610t3a817677g1298fd8b440e80e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106161237.GC2328@jg.home>
Message-ID: <dd9711230811060818y3e1b96d0g8963a80144a68dd8@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/6 Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com>:
> a and b I can do. Well, I can do b once we switch to a decent RCS. c, not so
> much. I can be there when I make a major commit, certainly. We really need
> to use the issue tracker (or a BUGS file) more, I think.

I agree, we need to use the issue tracker more. I don't like the idea
of a BUGS file though.

--
Daniel

From dpb at driftaway.org  Thu Nov  6 08:19:20 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:19:20 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <491304E8.6010900@tedpavlic.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100811060610t3a817677g1298fd8b440e80e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<491304E8.6010900@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230811060819w1ffcd935r2ca71d3071a6824d@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/6 Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>:
> Wouldn't (a) and (b) be much easier if Vimperator switched from CVS to git
> or Mercurial? vimperator.org has a "Git" link, but it appears like that git
> repo is still a *mirror* of the CVS repo.

We *are* going to switch to git. I just need to find the time to make
the switch.

--
Daniel

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 08:20:50 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:20:50 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230811060818y3e1b96d0g8963a80144a68dd8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100811060610t3a817677g1298fd8b440e80e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106161237.GC2328@jg.home>
	<dd9711230811060818y3e1b96d0g8963a80144a68dd8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081106162050.GD2328@jg.home>

On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 06:18:25PM +0200, Daniel Bainton wrote:
>I agree, we need to use the issue tracker more. I don't like the idea
>of a BUGS file though.

I think it's a good idea for small, short-lived bugs. It's a lot 
easier to add a line to a BUGS file than to file a formal issue, 
assign/accept it, close it...

-- 
Kris Maglione

For the time being, programming is a consumer job, assembly line
coding is the norm, and what little exciting stuff is being performed
is not going to make it compared to the mass-marketed crap sold by
those who think they can surf on the previous half-century's worth of
inventions forever.
	--Eric Naggum


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Nov  6 08:25:02 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:25:02 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <20081106160851.GB2328@jg.home>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106160851.GB2328@jg.home>
Message-ID: <49131A5E.2000908@tedpavlic.com>

> 
> Er, what's broken about the CVS version? I'll fix it.
> 

The last time I checked, the error console pops up with Vimperator 
profile messages (as well as several errors from Vimperator code, which 
is probably the more important thing).

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From dpb at driftaway.org  Thu Nov  6 08:27:27 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:27:27 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <49131A5E.2000908@tedpavlic.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106160851.GB2328@jg.home> <49131A5E.2000908@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230811060827o1dfe4dc1hef5a50f90b497534@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/6 Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>:
>>
>> Er, what's broken about the CVS version? I'll fix it.
>>
>
> The last time I checked, the error console pops up with Vimperator profile
> messages (as well as several errors from Vimperator code, which is probably
> the more important thing).

Tab completions were broken, but I fixed it (well, Martin told me what
to fix, but anyway..)

--
Daniel

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Nov  6 09:21:07 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:21:07 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230811060827o1dfe4dc1hef5a50f90b497534@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106160851.GB2328@jg.home> <49131A5E.2000908@tedpavlic.com>
	<dd9711230811060827o1dfe4dc1hef5a50f90b497534@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49132783.9030206@tedpavlic.com>

Still an ugly startup (i.e., Error Console with lots of liberator/ 
errors). Going back to revision "fix :set completion when there's no 
filter" restores normal smooth operation.

Daniel Bainton wrote:
> 2008/11/6 Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>:
>>> Er, what's broken about the CVS version? I'll fix it.
>>>
>> The last time I checked, the error console pops up with Vimperator profile
>> messages (as well as several errors from Vimperator code, which is probably
>> the more important thing).
> 
> Tab completions were broken, but I fixed it (well, Martin told me what
> to fix, but anyway..)
> 
> --
> Daniel
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Nov  6 09:50:32 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:50:32 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <20081106162050.GD2328@jg.home>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100811060610t3a817677g1298fd8b440e80e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106161237.GC2328@jg.home>
	<dd9711230811060818y3e1b96d0g8963a80144a68dd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106162050.GD2328@jg.home>
Message-ID: <aaae92100811060950q1438d83as1da3c0b1b5aa2992@mail.gmail.com>

>> I agree, we need to use the issue tracker more. I don't like the idea
>> of a BUGS file though.
>
> I think it's a good idea for small, short-lived bugs. It's a lot easier to
> add a line to a BUGS file than to file a formal issue, assign/accept it,
> close it...

I agree (TODO file, not BUGS file for vimp btw.).

About regressions:
* tab completion again (well, fixed temporarily with getByClass... but
probably not what you want)
* Hints not showing numbers anymore, i think you forgot to commit the
files in skin/ and only did for content/
* tabnumbers breaking muttator constantly
* The nightly from yesterday did not work correctly, (:hi not working
at all, meaning: unknown command :hi, i guess the style module has/had
some issues starting up), had to revert to nov 3rd snapshot, no idea
if it is fixed currently, will check tomorrow)

Anyway, I think using the TODO more thoroughly for such short-living
bugs is a good compromise, since you can't be on IRC all the time.

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 10:04:43 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:04:43 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100811060950q1438d83as1da3c0b1b5aa2992@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100811060610t3a817677g1298fd8b440e80e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106161237.GC2328@jg.home>
	<dd9711230811060818y3e1b96d0g8963a80144a68dd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106162050.GD2328@jg.home>
	<aaae92100811060950q1438d83as1da3c0b1b5aa2992@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081106180443.GE2328@jg.home>

On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 06:50:32PM +0100, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>About regressions:
>* tab completion again (well, fixed temporarily with getByClass... but
>probably not what you want)

I haven't had any problems with it *except* when 
getElementsByClassName is used, because that's not automatically 
kept updated.

>* Hints not showing numbers anymore, i think you forgot to commit the
>files in skin/ and only did for content/

Argh. I can't get used to CVS's per-directory commits.

>* tabnumbers breaking muttator constantly

Hmm... Tab numbers shouldn't even be turned on in muttator 
(wrapped in an if (config.name == "Vimperator") block)

>* The nightly from yesterday did not work correctly, (:hi not working
>at all, meaning: unknown command :hi, i guess the style module has/had
>some issues starting up), had to revert to nov 3rd snapshot, no idea
>if it is fixed currently, will check tomorrow)

Ok. It works for me.

>Anyway, I think using the TODO more thoroughly for such short-living
>bugs is a good compromise, since you can't be on IRC all the time.

Ok, I'll watch its commit log and keep it updated.

-- 
Kris Maglione

You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to
your grandmother.
	--Albert Einstein


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Nov  6 13:20:45 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:20:45 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <49132783.9030206@tedpavlic.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106160851.GB2328@jg.home> <49131A5E.2000908@tedpavlic.com>
	<dd9711230811060827o1dfe4dc1hef5a50f90b497534@mail.gmail.com>
	<49132783.9030206@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49135FAD.3090304@tedpavlic.com>

**ALMOST** all fixed...

As of latest CVS, get Error console pop up and tell me:

====
Error: filter is undefined
Source file: chrome://liberator/content/style.js
====

--Ted

Ted Pavlic wrote:
> Still an ugly startup (i.e., Error Console with lots of liberator/ 
> errors). Going back to revision "fix :set completion when there's no 
> filter" restores normal smooth operation.
> 
> Daniel Bainton wrote:
>> 2008/11/6 Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>:
>>>> Er, what's broken about the CVS version? I'll fix it.
>>>>
>>> The last time I checked, the error console pops up with Vimperator profile
>>> messages (as well as several errors from Vimperator code, which is probably
>>> the more important thing).
>> Tab completions were broken, but I fixed it (well, Martin told me what
>> to fix, but anyway..)
>>
>> --
>> Daniel
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Nov  6 13:23:35 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:23:35 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <49135FAD.3090304@tedpavlic.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106160851.GB2328@jg.home> <49131A5E.2000908@tedpavlic.com>
	<dd9711230811060827o1dfe4dc1hef5a50f90b497534@mail.gmail.com>
	<49132783.9030206@tedpavlic.com> <49135FAD.3090304@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49136057.2070507@tedpavlic.com>

> **ALMOST** all fixed...
> 
> As of latest CVS, get Error console pop up and tell me:
> 
> ====
> Error: filter is undefined
> Source file: chrome://liberator/content/style.js
> ====

I should add that that error is on "Line: 188".

Also, I get another error that I thought was not related to Vimperator, 
but it only pops up the error console with the latest CVS version, and 
so it must be...

====
Error: document.getElementById("urlbar") is null
Source file: chrome://ad/content/adOverlay.js (Line: 21)
====

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 13:24:47 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:24:47 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <49135FAD.3090304@tedpavlic.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106160851.GB2328@jg.home> <49131A5E.2000908@tedpavlic.com>
	<dd9711230811060827o1dfe4dc1hef5a50f90b497534@mail.gmail.com>
	<49132783.9030206@tedpavlic.com> <49135FAD.3090304@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081106212447.GF2328@jg.home>

On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 04:20:45PM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> **ALMOST** all fixed...
>
> As of latest CVS, get Error console pop up and tell me:
>
> ====
> Error: filter is undefined
> Source file: chrome://liberator/content/style.js
> ====

I'll need a line number. Actually, I'll need a stack trace.

:se! browser.dom.window.dump.enabled=true

and you'll get one on your console.

-- 
Kris Maglione

We should forget about small efficiencies, say about 97% of the time:
premature optimization is the root of all evil.
	--Donald Knuth


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Nov  6 13:53:02 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:53:02 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <20081106212447.GF2328@jg.home>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106160851.GB2328@jg.home> <49131A5E.2000908@tedpavlic.com>
	<dd9711230811060827o1dfe4dc1hef5a50f90b497534@mail.gmail.com>
	<49132783.9030206@tedpavlic.com> <49135FAD.3090304@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081106212447.GF2328@jg.home>
Message-ID: <4913673E.1000900@tedpavlic.com>

>> ====
>> Error: filter is undefined
>> Source file: chrome://liberator/content/style.js
>> ====
> 
> I'll need a line number. Actually, I'll need a stack trace.

Line 188.

> :se! browser.dom.window.dump.enabled=true
> 
> and you'll get one on your console.

I did that, then restarted Firefox, and my error console didn't change. 
I didn't see anything different under any of the tabs 
(All/Errors/Warnings/Messages).

While browsing around, I did get another liberator error:

====
Error: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x804b000a 
(NS_ERROR_MALFORMED_URI) [nsIWebNavigation.loadURI]"  nsresult: 
"0x804b000a (NS_ERROR_MALFORMED_URI)"  location: "JS frame :: 
chrome://global/content/bindings/browser.xml :: loadURIWithFlags :: line 
186"  data: no]
Source File: chrome://liberator/content/events.js
Line: 561
====

How do I view the stack trace?


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 14:03:07 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:03:07 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <4913673E.1000900@tedpavlic.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106160851.GB2328@jg.home> <49131A5E.2000908@tedpavlic.com>
	<dd9711230811060827o1dfe4dc1hef5a50f90b497534@mail.gmail.com>
	<49132783.9030206@tedpavlic.com> <49135FAD.3090304@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081106212447.GF2328@jg.home> <4913673E.1000900@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081106220307.GG2328@jg.home>

On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 04:53:02PM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> How do I view the stack trace?

As I said, on the console... Er, you're on a Mac. I'm not sure 
where console output goes for FF, there, but try starting it 
from the console (I think perhaps closing it and running
`open http://something/or/other` will do it).

-- 
Kris Maglione

If the designers of X Windows built cars, there would be no fewer than
five steering wheels hidden about the cockpit, none of which followed
the same principles ? but you?d be able to shift gears with your car
stereo.  Useful feature that.
	--Marcus J. Ranum, DEC


From iveqy at iveqy.com  Thu Nov  6 23:48:18 2008
From: iveqy at iveqy.com (Fredrik Gustafsson)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:48:18 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] The number vs. letters issue
Message-ID: <20081107074818.GB29560@paksenarrion.gulon>

Hi,
I really don't understand the thing about switching from letters to
numbers with the hint system. I just looks very stupid to me. Letters
are closer to my fingers and is a lot more (with two keys hints you
can cover 26*26=676 links, but with numbers only 10*10=100).

I don't know about you but I often visit pages with more that 100 links.
This makes me type three-key hints, that's just stupid.

I know there is a plugin for vimperator that converts the numbers to
letters instead. What I know it does only fix half this problem. The
plugin just replace a given number with a letter (for example 1=a). This
means that there still be three-key hints.

A good solution (like the old 0.5.2 way of doing this) is that first use
the middle row keys (kdlsafjhg) and after that fill upp with the upper
and lower row keys. If needed the numbers can be used but that will only
happen on a page with more than 676 hints.
-- 
Med v?nliga h?lsningar
Fredrik Gustafsson

From amolj.1306 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 00:45:55 2008
From: amolj.1306 at gmail.com (Amol Jadhav)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:15:55 +0530
Subject: [Vimperator] The number vs. letters issue
In-Reply-To: <20081107074818.GB29560@paksenarrion.gulon>
References: <20081107074818.GB29560@paksenarrion.gulon>
Message-ID: <76eccaa60811070045i19175350padc96ec2eb43edb3@mail.gmail.com>

I completely agree with you Fredrik. Nice suggestion.

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Fredrik Gustafsson <iveqy at iveqy.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> I really don't understand the thing about switching from letters to
> numbers with the hint system. I just looks very stupid to me. Letters
> are closer to my fingers and is a lot more (with two keys hints you
> can cover 26*26=676 links, but with numbers only 10*10=100).
>
> I don't know about you but I often visit pages with more that 100 links.
> This makes me type three-key hints, that's just stupid.
>
> I know there is a plugin for vimperator that converts the numbers to
> letters instead. What I know it does only fix half this problem. The
> plugin just replace a given number with a letter (for example 1=a). This
> means that there still be three-key hints.
>
> A good solution (like the old 0.5.2 way of doing this) is that first use
> the middle row keys (kdlsafjhg) and after that fill upp with the upper
> and lower row keys. If needed the numbers can be used but that will only
> happen on a page with more than 676 hints.
> --
> Med v?nliga h?lsningar
> Fredrik Gustafsson
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
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From dpb at driftaway.org  Fri Nov  7 00:51:39 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:51:39 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] The number vs. letters issue
In-Reply-To: <20081107074818.GB29560@paksenarrion.gulon>
References: <20081107074818.GB29560@paksenarrion.gulon>
Message-ID: <dd9711230811070051j22fd93c8s7604df41335b938b@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/7 Fredrik Gustafsson <iveqy at iveqy.com>:
> Hi,
> I really don't understand the thing about switching from letters to
> numbers with the hint system. I just looks very stupid to me. Letters
> are closer to my fingers and is a lot more (with two keys hints you
> can cover 26*26=676 links, but with numbers only 10*10=100).
>
> I don't know about you but I often visit pages with more that 100 links.
> This makes me type three-key hints, that's just stupid.
>
> I know there is a plugin for vimperator that converts the numbers to
> letters instead. What I know it does only fix half this problem. The
> plugin just replace a given number with a letter (for example 1=a). This
> means that there still be three-key hints.
>
> A good solution (like the old 0.5.2 way of doing this) is that first use
> the middle row keys (kdlsafjhg) and after that fill upp with the upper
> and lower row keys. If needed the numbers can be used but that will only
> happen on a page with more than 676 hints.
> --
> Med v?nliga h?lsningar
> Fredrik Gustafsson
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>


Please read the FAQ.

http://vimperator.org/trac/wiki/Vimperator/FAQ#Whathappenedtotheletterhintsinpre-1.xVimperator

--
Daniel

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Nov  7 01:17:42 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:17:42 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <20081106180443.GE2328@jg.home>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100811060610t3a817677g1298fd8b440e80e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106161237.GC2328@jg.home>
	<dd9711230811060818y3e1b96d0g8963a80144a68dd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106162050.GD2328@jg.home>
	<aaae92100811060950q1438d83as1da3c0b1b5aa2992@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106180443.GE2328@jg.home>
Message-ID: <aaae92100811070117h2df2b436o286189c08f3cfe8f@mail.gmail.com>

>> About regressions:
>> * tab completion again (well, fixed temporarily with getByClass... but
>> probably not what you want)
>
> I haven't had any problems with it *except* when getElementsByClassName is
> used, because that's not automatically kept updated.

Maybe that's the problem, that "children" is updated, and therefore
not consistent with the completions[] array?
For the record, with "children" it did not work never, but just
sometimes it was broken. When I am at home, I'll try
to find some examples.

>> * Hints not showing numbers anymore, i think you forgot to commit the
>> files in skin/ and only did for content/
>
> Argh. I can't get used to CVS's per-directory commits.

Hopefully not long anymore, git is near!

>> * tabnumbers breaking muttator constantly
>
> Hmm... Tab numbers shouldn't even be turned on in muttator (wrapped in an if
> (config.name == "Vimperator") block)

I saw that code, and given the fact you don't have muttator installed,
you couldn't see the problem,
but even though that code was not "activated", muttator still
complained about it being in the global
bindings.xml file.

I changed that to have a liberator bindings.xml, and vimperator has
it's additional content/vimperator/bindings.xml,
but as i wrote in the commit message, tabnumbers didn't work before
either (with go-=nN in the vimperatorrc, and only
turning it on afterwards).

>> * The nightly from yesterday did not work correctly, (:hi not working
>> at all, meaning: unknown command :hi, i guess the style module has/had
>> some issues starting up), had to revert to nov 3rd snapshot, no idea
>> if it is fixed currently, will check tomorrow)
>
> Ok. It works for me.

Maybe it's only for people who install it by the xpi, or did some
others notice the same problem?

>> Anyway, I think using the TODO more thoroughly for such short-living
>> bugs is a good compromise, since you can't be on IRC all the time.
>
> Ok, I'll watch its commit log and keep it updated.

That sounds like a good way for a more "direct" communication, since
you are not always on IRC.

--
Martin

PS: Off-topic: Is there a *recent* wmii snapshot somewhere? git/hg
etc. doesn't work from my company, but i'd like to try it again, as
KDE's window managment really sucks, and awesome's dependency hell is
not awesome, if you don't have an Ubuntu package for awesome3 yet.

From iveqy at iveqy.com  Fri Nov  7 01:19:37 2008
From: iveqy at iveqy.com (Fredrik Gustafsson)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:19:37 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] The number vs. letters issue
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230811070051j22fd93c8s7604df41335b938b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081107074818.GB29560@paksenarrion.gulon>
	<dd9711230811070051j22fd93c8s7604df41335b938b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081107091937.GC29560@paksenarrion.gulon>

On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 10:51:39AM +0200, Daniel Bainton wrote:
> 2008/11/7 Fredrik Gustafsson <iveqy at iveqy.com>:
> > Hi,
> > I really don't understand the thing about switching from letters to
> > numbers with the hint system. I just looks very stupid to me. Letters
> > are closer to my fingers and is a lot more (with two keys hints you
> > can cover 26*26=676 links, but with numbers only 10*10=100).
> >
> > I don't know about you but I often visit pages with more that 100 links.
> > This makes me type three-key hints, that's just stupid.
> >
> > I know there is a plugin for vimperator that converts the numbers to
> > letters instead. What I know it does only fix half this problem. The
> > plugin just replace a given number with a letter (for example 1=a). This
> > means that there still be three-key hints.
> >
> > A good solution (like the old 0.5.2 way of doing this) is that first use
> > the middle row keys (kdlsafjhg) and after that fill upp with the upper
> > and lower row keys. If needed the numbers can be used but that will only
> > happen on a page with more than 676 hints.
> > --
> > Med v?nliga h?lsningar
> > Fredrik Gustafsson
> > _______________________________________________
> > Vimperator mailing list
> > Vimperator at mozdev.org
> > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> >
> 
> 
> Please read the FAQ.
> 
> http://vimperator.org/trac/wiki/Vimperator/FAQ#Whathappenedtotheletterhintsinpre-1.xVimperator
> 
> --
> Daniel
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator

I'm sorry for missing that. Now at leat I understand why the switch was
done. Isn't there any way to still get the old system back "for real"?.
Or maybe use the two system in parallell with f and an other key? The
new hint system does not work very well on sites with image-links and on
sites with the same text is used for many different links (like a forum
were every linktext is the thread topic and you got one link to each
post).

Please do se my critism/suggestion as a way of saying "I love
vimperator". Vimperator has truly made my everyday life a lot easier.
-- 
Med v?nliga h?lsningar
Fredrik Gustafsson

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 01:49:01 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:49:01 +0000
Subject: [Vimperator] The number vs. letters issue
In-Reply-To: <20081107074818.GB29560@paksenarrion.gulon>
References: <20081107074818.GB29560@paksenarrion.gulon>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0811070149ja3d0771o80115145b5ffee7c@mail.gmail.com>

G'day Fredrik,

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 7:48 AM, Fredrik Gustafsson <iveqy at iveqy.com> wrote:
> Hi,

<snip>

> I don't know about you but I often visit pages with more that 100 links.
> This makes me type three-key hints, that's just stupid.

Fortunately none of us are sensitive souls so no one is likely to take
offense but to complain about a feature using the language you have
strikes me as, err, pretty stupid.  Particularly if you're looking for help.

Before pursuing this further I'd like to ask if you're sure you
understand the new system?  You may well do so but you wouldn't be
the first to complain without taking the time to understand it fully.

Doug

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Nov  7 01:59:28 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:59:28 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] The number vs. letters issue
In-Reply-To: <20081107091937.GC29560@paksenarrion.gulon>
References: <20081107074818.GB29560@paksenarrion.gulon>
	<dd9711230811070051j22fd93c8s7604df41335b938b@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081107091937.GC29560@paksenarrion.gulon>
Message-ID: <aaae92100811070159j34096c2er81cfa692e896166d@mail.gmail.com>

> I'm sorry for missing that. Now at leat I understand why the switch was
> done. Isn't there any way to still get the old system back "for real"?.
> Or maybe use the two system in parallell with f and an other key? The
> new hint system does not work very well on sites with image-links and on
> sites with the same text is used for many different links (like a forum
> were every linktext is the thread topic and you got one link to each
> post).

The framework is here, so anybody can improve char-hints.js so much,
that it could restore the old functionality totally.

It's unlikely to happen though, until somebody brave stands up, as
most devs either:

a) Like the new hint system or:
b) Don't use hints since there are just too many pages which could
never handled as fast as with the mouse or not at all like youtube's
flash videos.

That said, the current hint system is not totally finished, the plan
was to add a heuristics (maybe even self-learning like the awesome
bar) which would not
number the elements in order, but by popularity/usefulness.

So the perfect hint system would:
a) prefer short links
b) prefer links where the hinttext is found at the beginning of the link
c) remember hints you prefer. E.g. if you often follow the "send" link
then fs would select "send" as the first hint (in green instead of
yellow, so pressing enter is enough), actually it might even find the
most used hint after just pressing f, so f<enter> could follow the
link of that page which you visit most often.

Anyway, these are just thoughts that i took into consideration when
designing the new hint system, not likely to be implemented too soon
by me at least.

Ah, and another big point for the new system was, that Firefox2 was
very slow to generate hints on big pages, and you had to wait a second
or more sometimes. With the new system, you can type fsend, to follow
"send" without waiting after f to generate the correct char hint for
send.

From iveqy at iveqy.com  Fri Nov  7 01:46:54 2008
From: iveqy at iveqy.com (Fredrik Gustafsson)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:46:54 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] The number vs. letters issue
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0811070149ja3d0771o80115145b5ffee7c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081107074818.GB29560@paksenarrion.gulon>
	<644fc65e0811070149ja3d0771o80115145b5ffee7c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081107094654.GD29560@paksenarrion.gulon>

On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 09:49:01AM +0000, Doug Kearns wrote:
> G'day Fredrik,
> 
> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 7:48 AM, Fredrik Gustafsson <iveqy at iveqy.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > I don't know about you but I often visit pages with more that 100 links.
> > This makes me type three-key hints, that's just stupid.
> 
> Fortunately none of us are sensitive souls so no one is likely to take
> offense but to complain about a feature using the language you have
> strikes me as, err, pretty stupid.  Particularly if you're looking for help.
Well, I guess I'm lucky then. I'm not asking for help, I more wondered
if you did a stupid feature or if I'm too stupid to see why the feature
isn't stupid. It seams that none of this where true. Since there is a
good explanation and since that the new feature still is (in my opinion)
not as good as the old one.
> 
> Before pursuing this further I'd like to ask if you're sure you
> understand the new system?  You may well do so but you wouldn't be
> the first to complain without taking the time to understand it fully.
No I did not understand the new feature, now I do after I got it
explained to me. And it seams like a feature suitable for many but
lacking some huge things according to the websites I visit daily.

Like I said in a previous mail the new system does not handle image
links or links starting with the same letteres very well.

I'm pretty curious about you people that visit "normal" sites without a
lot of imagelinks etc. How many letters need you type with the new
system before a link is selected. Any number above two is a failure
according to the old system.
> 
> Doug
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
And for what my language is concerned, I do believe that you all
understand that writing and discuss/complain/suggest a feature is a way
of saying "I think this thing is really good, so good that I take my own
valuable time to see if we can make it even better". Even if my time is
not that valuable as some elses you get the idea (I hope).

-- 
Med v?nliga h?lsningar
Fredrik Gustafsson

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Nov  7 02:21:08 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:21:08 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] The number vs. letters issue
In-Reply-To: <20081107094654.GD29560@paksenarrion.gulon>
References: <20081107074818.GB29560@paksenarrion.gulon>
	<644fc65e0811070149ja3d0771o80115145b5ffee7c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081107094654.GD29560@paksenarrion.gulon>
Message-ID: <aaae92100811070221y4e2071aep94cf602521b94c90@mail.gmail.com>

> I'm pretty curious about you people that visit "normal" sites without a
> lot of imagelinks etc. How many letters need you type with the new
> system before a link is selected. Any number above two is a failure
> according to the old system.

Don't ask about the number of letters, ask about the milliseconds for
the whole operation AND about the amount of thinking they need.
IF the new system works, i'd much rather want to write "fsend" without
thinking than pressing "f", then wait a few ms, then think which
random hint you got, then maybe type "jl".

Of course for images you have to go back to numbers, which isn't
perfect, but so is neither system.

From eyolf at oestrem.com  Fri Nov  7 03:34:59 2008
From: eyolf at oestrem.com (Eyolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8strem?=)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:34:59 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] The number vs. letters issue
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100811070221y4e2071aep94cf602521b94c90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081107074818.GB29560@paksenarrion.gulon>
	<644fc65e0811070149ja3d0771o80115145b5ffee7c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081107094654.GD29560@paksenarrion.gulon>
	<aaae92100811070221y4e2071aep94cf602521b94c90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081107113459.GA23908@eyo>

On 07.11.2008 (11:21), Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
> > I'm pretty curious about you people that visit "normal" sites without a
> > lot of imagelinks etc. How many letters need you type with the new
> > system before a link is selected. Any number above two is a failure
> > according to the old system.
> 
> Don't ask about the number of letters, ask about the milliseconds for
> the whole operation AND about the amount of thinking they need.

The main problem with the new system (apart from the use of the number
keys) is the unpredictability in it. Sure, if you KNOW that the "send" link
is the one that will be activated on that particular page, I agree, it will
be faster, but that certainty only applies to a small number of pages. In
all other cases it's a more involved thinking process:


def browsing(some_site):
    press_f()
    while link_not_found_yet:
        if site_with_many_links_with_similar_names:
            find_unique_word_in_link()
        elseif site_with_long_link_names_and_hs=wordstartswith:
            scan_for_good_combination_of_initials()
        elseif all_fails:
            #e.g. with images, google searches, etc.
            give_up_and_type_numbers_instead()
    else: type "fsend"

In the while-loop there are also constant checks to decide the right
strategy. The intelligent hint matching you discussed in an earlier post,
sounds very fine, but in fact, it would also add to the uncertainty, making
it unpredictable how much I will have to type before I've found my link.

> IF the new system works, i'd much rather want to write "fsend" without
> thinking than pressing "f", then wait a few ms, then think which
> random hint you got, then maybe type "jl".

It's not THAT random: eg by default the keys from the home row, which
should be second nature to any vimperator-ist. Besides, as long as the
layout of a site hasn't changed, I always get the same combo for my
frequently used links.
But most importantly: there is no thinking/checking/evaluating involved --
it's a reflex action:

    press_f():
        visual_input_of two-letter_icon
        automatically_type corresponding-letters
    done

That's for me the main difference, and the reason why I prefer the old
system to the new.


I hope calmar will have time to update char-hints soon... :)

Eyolf

-- 
When I say the magic word to all these people, they will vanish forever.
I will then say the magic words to you, and you, too, will vanish -- never
to be seen again.
		-- Kurt Vonnegut Jr., "Between Time and Timbuktu"

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Nov  7 05:28:56 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:28:56 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <20081106220307.GG2328@jg.home>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106160851.GB2328@jg.home> <49131A5E.2000908@tedpavlic.com>
	<dd9711230811060827o1dfe4dc1hef5a50f90b497534@mail.gmail.com>
	<49132783.9030206@tedpavlic.com> <49135FAD.3090304@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081106212447.GF2328@jg.home> <4913673E.1000900@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081106220307.GG2328@jg.home>
Message-ID: <49144298.8080508@tedpavlic.com>

>> How do I view the stack trace?
> As I said, on the console... Er, you're on a Mac. I'm not sure 
> where console output goes for FF, there, but try starting it 
> from the console (I think perhaps closing it and running
> `open http://something/or/other` will do it).

OK. I just assumed you meant the JavaScript "Error Console" that pops up 
when Firefox loads.

On OS X, there is an application called "Console" that views everything 
that is written to the UNIX console.

Here's what gets dumped onto the UNIX console no starting Firefox with 
the latest CVS (I believe you're interested in the line starting with 
"stack:"):
=====
vimperator: Loading module commands...
vimperator: TypeError: filter is undefined::
fileName:"chrome://liberator/content/style.js"
lineNumber:188
message:"filter is undefined"
name:"TypeError"
stack:"(\".hl-Boolean\",(void 0),\".hl-Boolean { color: red!important; 
}\",true,true)@chrome://liberator/content/style.js:188\n(\"Boolean\")@chrome://liberator/content/style.js:130\n([object 
Object],0,[object 
Array])@chrome://liberator/content/style.js:142\nHighlights(\"highlight\",false,(void 
0))@chrome://liberator/content/style.js:139\nnewObject(\"highlight\",Highlights,false)@file:///Users/tpavlic/vimperator-cvs/src/modules/storage.jsm:183\n(\"commands\")@chrome://liberator/content/style.js:374\n(\"load_commands\",\"commands\")@chrome://liberator/content/liberator.js:621\nloadModule(\"commands\",Commands)@chrome://liberator/content/liberator.js:53\n([object 
Event])@chrome://liberator/content/liberator.js:1161\n"
vimperator: Loading module options...
vimperator: Loading module mappings...
vimperator: Loading module buffer...
vimperator: Loading module events...
vimperator: Loading module commandline...
vimperator: Loading module statusline...
vimperator: Loading module editor...
vimperator: Loading module autocommands...
vimperator: Loading module io...
vimperator: Loading module completion...
vimperator: Loading module search...
vimperator: Loading module bookmarks...
vimperator: Loading module history...
vimperator: Loading module tabs...
vimperator: Loading module marks...
vimperator: Loading module quickmarks...
vimperator: Loading module hints...
vimperator: loaded in 3196 ms
=====

The attached textfile includes the same (just in case those lines get 
wrapped).


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>
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From nemolivier at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 08:31:23 2008
From: nemolivier at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Olivier_Gu=C3=A9ry?=)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:31:23 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100811070117h2df2b436o286189c08f3cfe8f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100811060610t3a817677g1298fd8b440e80e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106161237.GC2328@jg.home>
	<dd9711230811060818y3e1b96d0g8963a80144a68dd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106162050.GD2328@jg.home>
	<aaae92100811060950q1438d83as1da3c0b1b5aa2992@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106180443.GE2328@jg.home>
	<aaae92100811070117h2df2b436o286189c08f3cfe8f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c2c86e70811070831y7da03dbehdac3fe1cd8794546@mail.gmail.com>

> Maybe it's only for people who install it by the xpi, or did some
> others notice the same problem?

Still the error.
I use the git repository, with the link to my $HOME/.mozilla/? as
indicate in the kiwi.
I tried compiling the xpi too.
The ? console error window ? pop out when launching firefox with :

filter is undefiend
chrome://liberator/content/style.js                line 188

(there's an other error too, but linked to ubufox, the automaticly
addon from ubuntu).

I'm using ffx 3.0.3 from ubuntu intrepid ibex.

Olivier.



-- 
[Message tap? sur un clavier B?po : http://www.clavier-dvorak.org ]
http://nemolivier.blogspot.com

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Nov  7 08:45:25 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:45:25 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <5c2c86e70811070831y7da03dbehdac3fe1cd8794546@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100811060610t3a817677g1298fd8b440e80e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106161237.GC2328@jg.home>
	<dd9711230811060818y3e1b96d0g8963a80144a68dd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106162050.GD2328@jg.home>
	<aaae92100811060950q1438d83as1da3c0b1b5aa2992@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106180443.GE2328@jg.home>
	<aaae92100811070117h2df2b436o286189c08f3cfe8f@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70811070831y7da03dbehdac3fe1cd8794546@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491470A5.3060302@tedpavlic.com>

As discussed in another head of this thread, I get the same error, and I 
get this stack trace:

stack:"(\".hl-Boolean\",(void 0),\".hl-Boolean { color: red!important; 
}\",true,true)@chrome://liberator/content/style.js:188\n(\"Boolean\")@chrome://liberator/content/style.js:130\n([object 
Object],0,[object 
Array])@chrome://liberator/content/style.js:142\nHighlights(\"highlight\",false,(void 
0))@chrome://liberator/content/style.js:139\nnewObject(\"highlight\",Highlights,false)@file:///Users/tpavlic/vimperator-cvs/src/modules/storage.jsm:183\n(\"commands\")@chrome://liberator/content/style.js:374\n(\"load_commands\",\"commands\")@chrome://liberator/content/liberator.js:621\nloadModule(\"commands\",Commands)@chrome://liberator/content/liberator.js:53\n([object 
Event])@chrome://liberator/content/liberator.js:1161\n"

--Ted

> The ? console error window ? pop out when launching firefox with :
> 
> filter is undefiend
> chrome://liberator/content/style.js                line 188

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 12:10:30 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:10:30 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] using bookmarks
Message-ID: <d5baa8100811071210y64157365h9ad01a66fda29f9d@mail.gmail.com>

hi list,

I must admit that I have discovered the existance of vimperator only
this week. I wish I did that much earlier! Today I have printed most
of the help pages an I have tried the commands that seems good to
start with.

I have a question about :bmarks. Possibly a faq; I hope you forgive me then.

:bmarks shows a list of the firefox bookmark, but it seems not
possible to select a bookmark from the list (except for using the
mouse of course). Is that correct? If so, is there a way to access the
bookmarks with help of the keyboard.

I am using vimperator for only a few hours now, but I know I love it
and I am going to use it for the rest of the life time of Iceweasel.
A must have!

regards, Ruud

From icebraining at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 12:22:37 2008
From: icebraining at gmail.com (icebrain)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:22:37 +0000
Subject: [Vimperator] The number vs. letters issue
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15.1226088026.44984.vimperator@mozdev.org>
References: <mailman.15.1226088026.44984.vimperator@mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <4914A38D.8070007@gmail.com>


> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:34:59 +0100
> From: Eyolf ?strem <eyolf at oestrem.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vimperator] The number vs. letters issue
> To: vimperator at mozdev.org
> Message-ID: <20081107113459.GA23908 at eyo>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On 07.11.2008 (11:21), Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>   
>>> I'm pretty curious about you people that visit "normal" sites without a
>>> lot of imagelinks etc. How many letters need you type with the new
>>> system before a link is selected. Any number above two is a failure
>>> according to the old system.
>>>       
>> Don't ask about the number of letters, ask about the milliseconds for
>> the whole operation AND about the amount of thinking they need.
>>     
>
> The main problem with the new system (apart from the use of the number
> keys) is the unpredictability in it. Sure, if you KNOW that the "send" link
> is the one that will be activated on that particular page, I agree, it will
> be faster, but that certainty only applies to a small number of pages. In
> all other cases it's a more involved thinking process:
>
>
> def browsing(some_site):
>     press_f()
>     while link_not_found_yet:
>         if site_with_many_links_with_similar_names:
>             find_unique_word_in_link()
>         elseif site_with_long_link_names_and_hs=wordstartswith:
>             scan_for_good_combination_of_initials()
>         elseif all_fails:
>             #e.g. with images, google searches, etc.
>             give_up_and_type_numbers_instead()
>     else: type "fsend"
>
> In the while-loop there are also constant checks to decide the right
> strategy. The intelligent hint matching you discussed in an earlier post,
> sounds very fine, but in fact, it would also add to the uncertainty, making
> it unpredictable how much I will have to type before I've found my link.
>
>   
>> IF the new system works, i'd much rather want to write "fsend" without
>> thinking than pressing "f", then wait a few ms, then think which
>> random hint you got, then maybe type "jl".
>>     
>
> It's not THAT random: eg by default the keys from the home row, which
> should be second nature to any vimperator-ist. Besides, as long as the
> layout of a site hasn't changed, I always get the same combo for my
> frequently used links.
> But most importantly: there is no thinking/checking/evaluating involved --
> it's a reflex action:
>
>     press_f():
>         visual_input_of two-letter_icon
>         automatically_type corresponding-letters
>     done
>
> That's for me the main difference, and the reason why I prefer the old
> system to the new.
>
>
> I hope calmar will have time to update char-hints soon... :)
>
> Eyolf
>
>   
In my opinion the current system is better than that: It allows the both
actions (the <while> and the <wait for tags>) at the cost of having to
press 3 keys on in pages which have more than 99 links visible (not on
the whole page, mind you).  I find writing the beginning of the link
text much faster than the tag system and even though it has some
drawbacks, the advantages are well justified, imho.

But picking the old file and "merging" with the new. Is the old in the
CVS? I wouldn't mind merging the two.

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Nov  7 12:38:38 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:38:38 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] using bookmarks
In-Reply-To: <d5baa8100811071210y64157365h9ad01a66fda29f9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5baa8100811071210y64157365h9ad01a66fda29f9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4914A74E.6000700@vimperator.org>

On 2008-11-07 21:10, ruud grosmann wrote:

> :bmarks shows a list of the firefox bookmark, but it seems not
> possible to select a bookmark from the list (except for using the
> mouse of course). Is that correct? If so, is there a way to access the
> bookmarks with help of the keyboard.


http://vimperator.org/trac/wiki/Vimperator/FAQ#HowcanIopenbookmarksinthe:bmarkswindow

From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 13:55:42 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:55:42 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] using bookmarks
In-Reply-To: <4914A74E.6000700@vimperator.org>
References: <d5baa8100811071210y64157365h9ad01a66fda29f9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4914A74E.6000700@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <d5baa8100811071355p7ae9db4dj96aa1b4c063ac3cb@mail.gmail.com>

On 07/11/2008, Martin Stubenschrott <maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
> On 2008-11-07 21:10, ruud grosmann wrote:
>
>> :bmarks shows a list of the firefox bookmark, but it seems not
>> possible to select a bookmark from the list (except for using the
>> mouse of course). Is that correct? If so, is there a way to access the
>> bookmarks with help of the keyboard.
>
>
> http://vimperator.org/trac/wiki/Vimperator/FAQ#HowcanIopenbookmarksinthe:bmarkswindow


this is too embarassing: the second of the faq's and even more
embarassing: I did have had a look at them. WIthout realising it was
an answer to my question. Thanks for answering.

regards, Ruud

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Nov  7 13:57:50 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:57:50 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] using bookmarks
In-Reply-To: <d5baa8100811071355p7ae9db4dj96aa1b4c063ac3cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5baa8100811071210y64157365h9ad01a66fda29f9d@mail.gmail.com>	<4914A74E.6000700@vimperator.org>
	<d5baa8100811071355p7ae9db4dj96aa1b4c063ac3cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4914B9DE.7030409@vimperator.org>

On 2008-11-07 22:55, ruud grosmann wrote:

> On 07/11/2008, Martin Stubenschrott <maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
>> On 2008-11-07 21:10, ruud grosmann wrote:
>>
>>> :bmarks shows a list of the firefox bookmark, but it seems not
>>> possible to select a bookmark from the list (except for using the
>>> mouse of course). Is that correct? If so, is there a way to access the
>>> bookmarks with help of the keyboard.
>>
>>
>> http://vimperator.org/trac/wiki/Vimperator/FAQ#HowcanIopenbookmarksinthe:bmarkswindow
> 
> 
> this is too embarassing: the second of the faq's and even more
> embarassing: I did have had a look at them. WIthout realising it was
> an answer to my question. Thanks for answering.


No need to be embarassed, I added that after your question ;)

But your question was already asked so often, i had to answer it there :).

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Nov  7 16:35:45 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:35:45 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <49144298.8080508@tedpavlic.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>	<20081106160851.GB2328@jg.home>
	<49131A5E.2000908@tedpavlic.com>	<dd9711230811060827o1dfe4dc1hef5a50f90b497534@mail.gmail.com>	<49132783.9030206@tedpavlic.com>
	<49135FAD.3090304@tedpavlic.com>	<20081106212447.GF2328@jg.home>
	<4913673E.1000900@tedpavlic.com>	<20081106220307.GG2328@jg.home>
	<49144298.8080508@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <4914DEE1.4090008@vimperator.org>

As it always worked for me at home, but not at work, I think this problem might be due to incorrect XPI generation.

I *think* I fixed that, please report back, when trying a new XPI which was generated after this time.

--
Martin

PS: @Kris: Was there a real reason to strip \n in dumpStack? I think it's barely readable that way, but MUCH easier otherwise.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Sun Nov  9 17:55:01 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:55:01 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <4914DEE1.4090008@vimperator.org>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>	<dd9711230811060415s66a79681j84294ba65041f577@mail.gmail.com>	<20081106160851.GB2328@jg.home>
	<49131A5E.2000908@tedpavlic.com>	<dd9711230811060827o1dfe4dc1hef5a50f90b497534@mail.gmail.com>	<49132783.9030206@tedpavlic.com>
	<49135FAD.3090304@tedpavlic.com>	<20081106212447.GF2328@jg.home>
	<4913673E.1000900@tedpavlic.com>	<20081106220307.GG2328@jg.home>
	<49144298.8080508@tedpavlic.com> <4914DEE1.4090008@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <49179475.7040300@tedpavlic.com>

Martin --

	I am quite sure that this issue has nothing to do with XPI generation 
because I am not installing from XPI. I replaced my 
"vimperator at mozdev.org" directory with a file pointing to my source 
directly.

	As you can see, using the current CVS Vimperator linked to my source 
directory, :version gives me:

Vimperator ###VERSION### (created: ###DATE###) running on:
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.0.3) 
Gecko/2008092414 Firefox/3.0.3

With the current CVS Vimperator, I receive even more errors:

=====
Error: document.getElementById("urlbar") is null
Source File: chrome://ad/content/adOverlay.js
Line: 21

Error: filter is undefined
Source File: chrome://liberator/content/style.js
Line: 188

Error: tabs is not defined
Source File: chrome://liberator/content/events.js
Line: 471

Error: tabs is not defined
Source File: chrome://liberator/content/events.js
Line: 471
=====

	I just restarted (with stack traces turned on), and on my console, I see:

=====
vimperator: Loading module commands...
vimperator: TypeError: filter is undefined::
fileName:"chrome://liberator/content/style.js"
lineNumber:188
message:"filter is undefined"
name:"TypeError"
stack:"(\".hl-Boolean\",(void 0),\".hl-Boolean { color: red!important; 
}\",true,true)@chrome://liberator/content/style.js:188\n(\"Boolean\")@chrome://liberator/content/style.js:130\n([object 
Object],0,[object 
Array])@chrome://liberator/content/style.js:142\nHighlights(\"highlight\",false,(void 
0))@chrome://liberator/content/style.js:139\nnewObject(\"highlight\",Highlights,false)@file:///Users/tpavlic/vimperator-cvs/src/modules/storage.jsm:183\n(\"commands\")@chrome://liberator/content/style.js:374\n(\"load_commands\",\"commands\")@chrome://liberator/content/liberator.js:621\nloadModule(\"commands\",Commands)@chrome://liberator/content/liberator.js:53\n([object 
Event])@chrome://liberator/content/liberator.js:1161\n"
=====

	Any thoughts?
	--Ted	

Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
> As it always worked for me at home, but not at work, I think this
> problem might be due to incorrect XPI generation.
> 
> I *think* I fixed that, please report back, when trying a new XPI
> which was generated after this time.
> 
> -- Martin
> 
> PS: @Kris: Was there a real reason to strip \n in dumpStack? I think
> it's barely readable that way, but MUCH easier otherwise. 
> _______________________________________________ Vimperator mailing
> list Vimperator at mozdev.org 
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 18:08:48 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:08:48 +0000
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <49179475.7040300@tedpavlic.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060827o1dfe4dc1hef5a50f90b497534@mail.gmail.com>
	<49132783.9030206@tedpavlic.com> <49135FAD.3090304@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081106212447.GF2328@jg.home> <4913673E.1000900@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081106220307.GG2328@jg.home> <49144298.8080508@tedpavlic.com>
	<4914DEE1.4090008@vimperator.org> <49179475.7040300@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0811091808r63c7679fwcf2caaceffa89e2c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:55 AM, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
> Martin --
>
>        I am quite sure that this issue has nothing to do with XPI generation
> because I am not installing from XPI. I replaced my "vimperator at mozdev.org"
> directory with a file pointing to my source directly.

The problem is specific to FF 3.0, I haven't had a chance to
investigate further.

Doug

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Nov 10 05:02:16 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:02:16 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0811091808r63c7679fwcf2caaceffa89e2c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060827o1dfe4dc1hef5a50f90b497534@mail.gmail.com>
	<49132783.9030206@tedpavlic.com> <49135FAD.3090304@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081106212447.GF2328@jg.home> <4913673E.1000900@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081106220307.GG2328@jg.home> <49144298.8080508@tedpavlic.com>
	<4914DEE1.4090008@vimperator.org> <49179475.7040300@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0811091808r63c7679fwcf2caaceffa89e2c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491830D8.1030707@tedpavlic.com>

> 
> The problem is specific to FF 3.0, I haven't had a chance to
> investigate further.
> 

NOTE: I cannot verify that Vimperator works with FF3.1 on my system 
because FF3.1 on my system (an OS/X 10.4 Mac) won't finish its startup 
routines. Some of the session store stuff dies complaining (on the 
console) that regex.test doesn't exist. So for at least a little while, 
I'm stuck with FF3.0.

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From dpb at driftaway.org  Mon Nov 10 05:07:44 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:07:44 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <491830D8.1030707@tedpavlic.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<49135FAD.3090304@tedpavlic.com> <20081106212447.GF2328@jg.home>
	<4913673E.1000900@tedpavlic.com> <20081106220307.GG2328@jg.home>
	<49144298.8080508@tedpavlic.com> <4914DEE1.4090008@vimperator.org>
	<49179475.7040300@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0811091808r63c7679fwcf2caaceffa89e2c@mail.gmail.com>
	<491830D8.1030707@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230811100507y6dc13a09h3f8015d43675e3c4@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/10 Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>:
>>
>> The problem is specific to FF 3.0, I haven't had a chance to
>> investigate further.
>>
>
> NOTE: I cannot verify that Vimperator works with FF3.1 on my system because
> FF3.1 on my system (an OS/X 10.4 Mac) won't finish its startup routines.
> Some of the session store stuff dies complaining (on the console) that
> regex.test doesn't exist. So for at least a little while, I'm stuck with
> FF3.0.

Atleast earlier FF3.1 nightlies worked on my OS X 10.5 quite alright,
I haven't used OS X for a while, so can't verify your problem...

--
Daniel

From amolj.1306 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 07:23:43 2008
From: amolj.1306 at gmail.com (Amol Jadhav)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:53:43 +0530
Subject: [Vimperator] Where is RC File?
Message-ID: <76eccaa60811100723j32ea29c7yb5d46b75157ba1c0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Few questions:

   1. I'm using Firefox 3.x and Vimperator 1.2. (OS Win Server 2008) i have
   searched every corner of my disk for the RC file [used both Google desktop
   and windows desktop search [reliable, seriously!], and finally manual
   search. :-(. ].I haven't found it, can anyone please tell me where can I
   find it?
   2. I need a way to navigate to other controls like input box is there any
   shortcut for this?
   3. I'm not able to find the trick to auto pass Gmail and Google Reader.
   4. In Gmail few links can't be highlighted by the hints like select: All,
   None, etc.

-
Amol
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From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Nov 10 07:31:16 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:31:16 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0811091808r63c7679fwcf2caaceffa89e2c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811060827o1dfe4dc1hef5a50f90b497534@mail.gmail.com>
	<49132783.9030206@tedpavlic.com> <49135FAD.3090304@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081106212447.GF2328@jg.home> <4913673E.1000900@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081106220307.GG2328@jg.home> <49144298.8080508@tedpavlic.com>
	<4914DEE1.4090008@vimperator.org> <49179475.7040300@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0811091808r63c7679fwcf2caaceffa89e2c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491853C4.6050203@tedpavlic.com>

The recent "'fix' FF 3.0 style sheet" changeset seems to get rid of one 
problem (the errors) but generate a new problem. The script:

chrome://liberator/content/util.js:500

is unresponsive for a LONG time. Firefox is not usable during this time. 
Eventually it finishes. There are no messages on the console aside from 
liberator profile ("Starting ...") messages.

When restarting FF, it *appears* to be responsive at first, but very 
soon after bringing FF back in focus, util.js starts spinning. It didn't 
  seem to spin as long after the restart, and it didn't give me the 
"Unresponsive script" error, but I definitely had to wait.

Every time I restart FF, it lags when FIRST trying to focus on a tab.

--Ted

> The problem is specific to FF 3.0, I haven't had a chance to
> investigate further.
> 
> Doug

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Mon Nov 10 09:14:00 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:14:00 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Where is RC File?
In-Reply-To: <76eccaa60811100723j32ea29c7yb5d46b75157ba1c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76eccaa60811100723j32ea29c7yb5d46b75157ba1c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100811100914t50203e8fl5f1a01d94296f3c2@mail.gmail.com>

You must create it yourself, read :help initialization

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Amol Jadhav <amolj.1306 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Few questions:
>
> I'm using Firefox 3.x and Vimperator 1.2. (OS Win Server 2008) i have
> searched every corner of my disk for the RC file [used both Google desktop
> and windows desktop search [reliable, seriously!], and finally manual
> search. :-(. ].I haven't found it, can anyone please tell me where can I
> find it?
> I need a way to navigate to other controls like input box is there any
> shortcut for this?
> I'm not able to find the trick to auto pass Gmail and Google Reader.
> In Gmail few links can't be highlighted by the hints like select: All, None,
> etc.
>
> -
> Amol
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Mon Nov 10 09:15:21 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:15:21 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <491853C4.6050203@tedpavlic.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<49135FAD.3090304@tedpavlic.com> <20081106212447.GF2328@jg.home>
	<4913673E.1000900@tedpavlic.com> <20081106220307.GG2328@jg.home>
	<49144298.8080508@tedpavlic.com> <4914DEE1.4090008@vimperator.org>
	<49179475.7040300@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0811091808r63c7679fwcf2caaceffa89e2c@mail.gmail.com>
	<491853C4.6050203@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100811100915u2cbe943er4a4e28d31c8c4e31@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, very good catch!

I noticed slow firefox startup myself, but thought it was due to bad
caching of favicons, but that explains it.
Very good catch, hope to find the fix soon.

Thanks for the investigation!

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
> The recent "'fix' FF 3.0 style sheet" changeset seems to get rid of one
> problem (the errors) but generate a new problem. The script:
>
> chrome://liberator/content/util.js:500
>
> is unresponsive for a LONG time. Firefox is not usable during this time.
> Eventually it finishes. There are no messages on the console aside from
> liberator profile ("Starting ...") messages.
>
> When restarting FF, it *appears* to be responsive at first, but very soon
> after bringing FF back in focus, util.js starts spinning. It didn't  seem to
> spin as long after the restart, and it didn't give me the "Unresponsive
> script" error, but I definitely had to wait.
>
> Every time I restart FF, it lags when FIRST trying to focus on a tab.
>
> --Ted
>
>> The problem is specific to FF 3.0, I haven't had a chance to
>> investigate further.
>>
>> Doug
>
> --
> Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From xiaqqaix at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 22:03:08 2008
From: xiaqqaix at gmail.com (xiaq)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:03:08 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1affc7910811102203g59e8d7a2n737f6d471da602d6@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Firefox 3.1 is right around the corner, and after testing a beta today
> I am very happy with the application. I will not be able to move to
> 3.1 until VImperator is updated, so might I ask if there are plans to
> do so? In fact, with all the bugfixes in the past few months, is a new
> release not imminent anyway?
>
> Thanks Martin and to all else who contribute to Vimperator!
>

You may try the addon NightlyTesterTools to force installing vimpertor on FF
3.1.
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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 22:43:17 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:43:17 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <1affc7910811102203g59e8d7a2n737f6d471da602d6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<1affc7910811102203g59e8d7a2n737f6d471da602d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811102243u783a7ba9sc9117c20a1e0c2f0@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/11 xiaq <xiaqqaix at gmail.com>:
> You may try the addon NightlyTesterTools to force installing vimpertor on FF
> 3.1.
>

I think that it would be preferable to addresss the issues facing
Vimperator and certify it for Fx 31.1 rather than force it.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?

?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From benisty.e at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 23:19:02 2008
From: benisty.e at gmail.com (Emmanuel Benisty)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:19:02 +0700
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <1affc7910811102203g59e8d7a2n737f6d471da602d6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<1affc7910811102203g59e8d7a2n737f6d471da602d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1f41c620811102319t5197c8d4v2fc4d5a408d10d2a@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 1:03 PM, xiaq <xiaqqaix at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Firefox 3.1 is right around the corner, and after testing a beta today
>> I am very happy with the application. I will not be able to move to
>> 3.1 until VImperator is updated, so might I ask if there are plans to
>> do so? In fact, with all the bugfixes in the past few months, is a new
>> release not imminent anyway?
>>
>> Thanks Martin and to all else who contribute to Vimperator!
>
> You may try the addon NightlyTesterTools to force installing vimpertor on FF
> 3.1.

you don't even need that:
http://vimperator.org/trac/gitweb/?p=vimperator.git;a=blob_plain;f=install.rdf;hb=HEAD

<em:maxVersion>3.1b2pre</em:maxVersion>

From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 04:46:15 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:46:15 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator breaks with iceweasel
Message-ID: <d5baa8100811110446w541c0827s8dd383db985812b4@mail.gmail.com>

hello group,

I have a nasty issue with vimperator and iceweasel a cannot solve. I
hope the following rings a bell for one of you, because I'm stuck.

Because I do not know the source of my problem I just give a
description of what happened:

- I install the vimperator plugin and get really enthousiastic
- I create .vimperatorrc and .vimperator/plugin with two files in it
- everything works ok
- I discover there is a debian package iceweasel-vimperator or so and
install it (iceweasel 3.0.2)
- I use vimperator, it works OK, I install it on my work too

- at home, another user who shares ~/.mozilla/firefox with me starts
the browser and is confronted with vimperator.  I disable vimperator
and restart
- after that I try to make vimperator only working for me by changing
the rights of the extensions/vimperator.org directory
- vimperator does not seem to work
- I remove the plugin, I remove the debian package
- after restarting the browser the back and forward buttons are greyed
out even after following links
- I reinstall vimperator plugin
- vimperator still doesn't seem to work: there is no lastline, no
command line command has effect, the command line contains -- INSERT
-- after some time or at startup
- back and forward buttons and menu entry in iceweasel are greyed out;
H doesn't work, but with mousegestures I am able to follow the history
back and forth
- bookmarks are disappeared, Iceweasel is not able to import anything
or to use the backup it has made
- disabling or uninstalling the plugin doesn't improve the iceweasel
behaviour, installing the plugin again leads to the same vimperator
behavior


DOes anyone have a clue what is happening? What started this trouble?
What can I do now to get vimperator working?
Can I disable vimperator for one user by settings in the .vimperatorrc?

any hints welcome!

regards, Ruud

From dpb at driftaway.org  Tue Nov 11 05:25:43 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:25:43 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator breaks with iceweasel
In-Reply-To: <d5baa8100811110446w541c0827s8dd383db985812b4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5baa8100811110446w541c0827s8dd383db985812b4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230811110525w5d86c844k130afae1b2c02e63@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/11 ruud grosmann <r.grosmann at gmail.com>:
> hello group,
>
> I have a nasty issue with vimperator and iceweasel a cannot solve. I
> hope the following rings a bell for one of you, because I'm stuck.
>
> Because I do not know the source of my problem I just give a
> description of what happened:
>
> - I install the vimperator plugin and get really enthousiastic
> - I create .vimperatorrc and .vimperator/plugin with two files in it
> - everything works ok
> - I discover there is a debian package iceweasel-vimperator or so and
> install it (iceweasel 3.0.2)
> - I use vimperator, it works OK, I install it on my work too
>
> - at home, another user who shares ~/.mozilla/firefox with me starts
> the browser and is confronted with vimperator.  I disable vimperator
> and restart
> - after that I try to make vimperator only working for me by changing
> the rights of the extensions/vimperator.org directory
> - vimperator does not seem to work
> - I remove the plugin, I remove the debian package
> - after restarting the browser the back and forward buttons are greyed
> out even after following links
> - I reinstall vimperator plugin
> - vimperator still doesn't seem to work: there is no lastline, no
> command line command has effect, the command line contains -- INSERT
> -- after some time or at startup
> - back and forward buttons and menu entry in iceweasel are greyed out;
> H doesn't work, but with mousegestures I am able to follow the history
> back and forth
> - bookmarks are disappeared, Iceweasel is not able to import anything
> or to use the backup it has made
> - disabling or uninstalling the plugin doesn't improve the iceweasel
> behaviour, installing the plugin again leads to the same vimperator
> behavior
>
>
> DOes anyone have a clue what is happening? What started this trouble?
> What can I do now to get vimperator working?
> Can I disable vimperator for one user by settings in the .vimperatorrc?

1. Why is another user sharing your ~/.mozilla/firefox? Users should
have their OWN accounts, with their OWN home directories.

2. Why did you install the extension two times? That's not how you're
meant to do it.
 - extensions provided by the distro package management are GLOBAL, it
installs it to everyone. So if you only want it for one user, do NOT
install the distro package

Try with a clean profile, something apparently got messed up in your
firefox profile.

And no, you can't disable vimperator from .vimperatorrc. If you would
disable vimperator, it wouldn't READ .vimperatorrc. The Firefox addons
dialog is for disabling extensions.

--
Daniel

From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 05:53:09 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:53:09 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator breaks with iceweasel
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230811110525w5d86c844k130afae1b2c02e63@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5baa8100811110446w541c0827s8dd383db985812b4@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811110525w5d86c844k130afae1b2c02e63@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d5baa8100811110553q705b8890ldc173f57ba7365b3@mail.gmail.com>

> 1. Why is another user sharing your ~/.mozilla/firefox? Users should
> have their OWN accounts, with their OWN home directories.

yes, you're right. And exactly now I feel the pain. I did it to share
some data (bookmarks, scrapbook), but I should have made a symlink on
that level instead.

>
> 2. Why did you install the extension two times? That's not how you're
> meant to do it.
>  - extensions provided by the distro package management are GLOBAL, it
> installs it to everyone. So if you only want it for one user, do NOT
> install the distro package
>

OK, clear.

> Try with a clean profile, something apparently got messed up in your
> firefox profile.
>

I will try that. I hope it is sufficient to reanimate iceweasel. And I
will certainly have the bad symlink fixed.... ONly: how do I clean the
profile?

> And no, you can't disable vimperator from .vimperatorrc. If you would
> disable vimperator, it wouldn't READ .vimperatorrc. The Firefox addons
> dialog is for disabling extensions.

The source of the problem is the unthoughtful symlink. I was hoping to
do a per-user decision for enabling vimperator via the resourcefile
which is silly. And not necessary if they can all manage the addons
themselves.

Thanks for pointing out.

Ruud

From amolj.1306 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 06:23:14 2008
From: amolj.1306 at gmail.com (Amol Jadhav)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:53:14 +0530
Subject: [Vimperator] Where is RC File?
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100811100914t50203e8fl5f1a01d94296f3c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76eccaa60811100723j32ea29c7yb5d46b75157ba1c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100811100914t50203e8fl5f1a01d94296f3c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76eccaa60811110623m3281f9bbk19a7bf5b6ea41c4e@mail.gmail.com>

I created file named _vimperatorrc in %HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH% added few stuffs
from the 'Tips and Tricks'. The stuffs are not working. I even tried
restarting Firefox after that.

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Martin Stubenschrott <
maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:

> You must create it yourself, read :help initialization
>
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Amol Jadhav <amolj.1306 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Few questions:
> >
> > I'm using Firefox 3.x and Vimperator 1.2. (OS Win Server 2008) i have
> > searched every corner of my disk for the RC file [used both Google
> desktop
> > and windows desktop search [reliable, seriously!], and finally manual
> > search. :-(. ].I haven't found it, can anyone please tell me where can I
> > find it?
> > I need a way to navigate to other controls like input box is there any
> > shortcut for this?
> > I'm not able to find the trick to auto pass Gmail and Google Reader.
> > In Gmail few links can't be highlighted by the hints like select: All,
> None,
> > etc.
> >
> > -
> > Amol
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Vimperator mailing list
> > Vimperator at mozdev.org
> > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
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From casey.manion at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 10:22:35 2008
From: casey.manion at gmail.com (Casey Manion)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:22:35 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Where is RC File?
In-Reply-To: <76eccaa60811110623m3281f9bbk19a7bf5b6ea41c4e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76eccaa60811100723j32ea29c7yb5d46b75157ba1c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100811100914t50203e8fl5f1a01d94296f3c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811110623m3281f9bbk19a7bf5b6ea41c4e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66dd0ce40811111022k613e9932va0ffdb2b5aca9a17@mail.gmail.com>

I find this to be weird on my windows machines. The way I do it, is
use vimperator to save a file for you using the ":mkvimperatorrc! "
command. Then go find it using all the tools you already mentioned.

Finally, make a small modification (like the title "set
titlestring=Mozilla Firefox Test" - no quotes) and restart ":res".
Once FF and _vimperatorrc are connected, I add all the other options.
Note: You do have to restart for changes to take effect.

-Casey


On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 6:23 AM, Amol Jadhav <amolj.1306 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I created file named _vimperatorrc in %HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH% added few stuffs
> from the 'Tips and Tricks'. The stuffs are not working. I even tried
> restarting Firefox after that.
>
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Martin Stubenschrott
> <maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
>>
>> You must create it yourself, read :help initialization
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Amol Jadhav <amolj.1306 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Few questions:
>> >
>> > I'm using Firefox 3.x and Vimperator 1.2. (OS Win Server 2008) i have
>> > searched every corner of my disk for the RC file [used both Google
>> > desktop
>> > and windows desktop search [reliable, seriously!], and finally manual
>> > search. :-(. ].I haven't found it, can anyone please tell me where can I
>> > find it?
>> > I need a way to navigate to other controls like input box is there any
>> > shortcut for this?
>> > I'm not able to find the trick to auto pass Gmail and Google Reader.
>> > In Gmail few links can't be highlighted by the hints like select: All,
>> > None,
>> > etc.
>> >
>> > -
>> > Amol
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Vimperator mailing list
>> > Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>

From robert.e.hickman at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 11 15:05:33 2008
From: robert.e.hickman at googlemail.com (robert hickman)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:05:33 +0000
Subject: [Vimperator] Display bookmark folders in vimperator and scrapbook
	integration script?
Message-ID: <63a039270811111505va473a4cg2006717952229d59@mail.gmail.com>

2 questions:
1) Is it possible to display the :bookmarks listing in a way that is
actually usable, i.e. folderised like the useural menu.
2) Is there a script to integrate ScrapBook into vimperator.

Thanks.

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 23:35:12 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:35:12 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <c1f41c620811102319t5197c8d4v2fc4d5a408d10d2a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<1affc7910811102203g59e8d7a2n737f6d471da602d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1f41c620811102319t5197c8d4v2fc4d5a408d10d2a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811112335r17508bdcr4068109776c2fa02@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/11 Emmanuel Benisty <benisty.e at gmail.com>:
>> You may try the addon NightlyTesterTools to force installing vimpertor on FF
>> 3.1.
>
> you don't even need that:
> http://vimperator.org/trac/gitweb/?p=vimperator.git;a=blob_plain;f=install.rdf;hb=HEAD
>
> <em:maxVersion>3.1b2pre</em:maxVersion>

As Firefox / Vimperator is critical to my workflow, I will wait until
there is a stable 3.1-ready version. I am anxious to upgrade to 3.1,
but not at the cost of unreasonable instability at this point.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?

?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From dpb at driftaway.org  Tue Nov 11 23:36:51 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:36:51 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Display bookmark folders in vimperator and
	scrapbook integration script?
In-Reply-To: <63a039270811111505va473a4cg2006717952229d59@mail.gmail.com>
References: <63a039270811111505va473a4cg2006717952229d59@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230811112336j45b32f75r43a530857fb30dff@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/12 robert hickman <robert.e.hickman at googlemail.com>:
> 2 questions:
> 1) Is it possible to display the :bookmarks listing in a way that is
> actually usable, i.e. folderised like the useural menu.

No, it isn't. You can use the bookmarks dialog or the sidebar though.

:dialog bookmarks
or
:sidebar Bookmarks

> 2) Is there a script to integrate ScrapBook into vimperator.

Haven't heard of one. But you can always make one. ;)

--
Daniel

From dpb at driftaway.org  Tue Nov 11 23:38:31 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:38:31 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
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2008/11/12 Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>:
> 2008/11/11 Emmanuel Benisty <benisty.e at gmail.com>:
>>> You may try the addon NightlyTesterTools to force installing vimpertor on FF
>>> 3.1.
>>
>> you don't even need that:
>> http://vimperator.org/trac/gitweb/?p=vimperator.git;a=blob_plain;f=install.rdf;hb=HEAD
>>
>> <em:maxVersion>3.1b2pre</em:maxVersion>
>
> As Firefox / Vimperator is critical to my workflow, I will wait until
> there is a stable 3.1-ready version. I am anxious to upgrade to 3.1,
> but not at the cost of unreasonable instability at this point.

If you want a stable version, you should wait for *Firefox* to release
a stable 3.1 too. ;)

--
Daniel

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 23:42:19 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:42:19 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
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2008/11/12 Daniel Bainton <dpb at driftaway.org>:
> If you want a stable version, you should wait for *Firefox* to release
> a stable 3.1 too. ;)
>

I am! I tested 3.1 to see what it was like, but I'm not using it as my
daily driver. For that matter I have not upgraded Kubuntu to 8.10 and
I don't expect to do that, either.

-- 
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From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 02:37:41 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:37:41 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Display bookmark folders in vimperator and
	scrapbook integration script?
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230811112336j45b32f75r43a530857fb30dff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <63a039270811111505va473a4cg2006717952229d59@mail.gmail.com>
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idebar Bookmarks
>
>> 2) Is there a script to integrate ScrapBook into vimperator.
>
> Haven't heard of one. But you can always make one. ;)
>
> --
> Daniel
> _______________________________________________
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> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

I have made a simple one. Maybe you can use it as a starting point.

commands.addUserCommand(['sbcap'],"capture with scrapbook",
    function(){
   sbBrowserOverlay.execCapture(0, null, false, 'urn:scrapbook:root');
    },
    {
    }
);

commands.addUserCommand(['sbbmark'],"bookmark with scrapbook",
    function(){
    sbBrowserOverlay.bookmark();
    },
    {
    }
);


regards, Ruud

From benisty.e at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 02:54:15 2008
From: benisty.e at gmail.com (Emmanuel Benisty)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:54:15 +0700
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
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References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
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2008/11/12 Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>:
> 2008/11/12 Daniel Bainton <dpb at driftaway.org>:
>> If you want a stable version, you should wait for *Firefox* to release
>> a stable 3.1 too. ;)
>>
>
> I am! I tested 3.1 to see what it was like, but I'm not using it as my
> daily driver. For that matter I have not upgraded Kubuntu to 8.10 and
> I don't expect to do that, either.

FTR, FWIW + YMMV, I'm building Firefox almost daily from
mozilla-central hg repo and it's extremely stable. I'm using Vimp from
Daniel's repo (Oct 20 Build) and everything works great+fast (that
TraceMonkey stuff is really impressive)

From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 03:21:59 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:21:59 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] follow quick hints
Message-ID: <d5baa8100811120321t2d6b3bf5i7a81e58129941749@mail.gmail.com>

hello group,

I like the quick hints feature very much, however I have a little
problem with it. When I want to follow a link I look at the text, type
'f' and a portion of the link. Sometimes this portion contains too
many characters; a smaller part of it makes it unique already.
The result is that the rest of the input is used in the next screen.

For example: I want to follow the link 'discard' and type fdiscard.
It appears that dis was enough. The link is followed and the letters
card are used as commands in the next window (add bookmark, reload,
delete tab?).

Question: is it possible to add a setting that requires a return to be
entered to follow a link? Or a setting that cleares the input buffer
when a link is followed using a hint?

regards, Ruud

From fb at intoxicatedmind.net  Wed Nov 12 03:59:45 2008
From: fb at intoxicatedmind.net (Frank Blendinger)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:59:45 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Where is RC File?
In-Reply-To: <66dd0ce40811111022k613e9932va0ffdb2b5aca9a17@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76eccaa60811100723j32ea29c7yb5d46b75157ba1c0@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20081112115945.GH6963@intoxicatedmind.net>

Hi.

Casey Manion <casey.manion at gmail.com> enlightened the world by writing
these words of wisdom:
> I find this to be weird on my windows machines. The way I do it [...]
> Note: You do have to restart for changes to take effect.

You can also use ``:source ~/.vimperatorrc'' instead of restarting. The
`~' might not work correctly under Windows, though, I don't remember,
but you can always use an absolut path to the rc file.


Greetings,
Frank

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From dougkearns at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 04:06:49 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:06:49 +0000
Subject: [Vimperator] Where is RC File?
In-Reply-To: <76eccaa60811110623m3281f9bbk19a7bf5b6ea41c4e@mail.gmail.com>
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On 11/11/08, Amol Jadhav <amolj.1306 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I created file named _vimperatorrc in %HOMEDRIVE%%HOMEPATH% added few stuffs
> from the 'Tips and Tricks'. The stuffs are not working. I even tried
> restarting Firefox after that.

:echo io.expandPath("~")

will return Vimperator's idea of 'HOME'.

Doug

From mftian at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 04:58:17 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:58:17 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] follow quick hints
In-Reply-To: <d5baa8100811120321t2d6b3bf5i7a81e58129941749@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5baa8100811120321t2d6b3bf5i7a81e58129941749@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, it's a little annoying that sometimes you type "too fast" in hint mode
that leads to some unpredictable action. But as following a link is a
heavily performed action, adding a return to confirm open a link may add a
lot more key strokes to the user in surfing the web. In fact, once you get
used to the Vimperator's hint, things will not look that bad.

2008/11/12 ruud grosmann <r.grosmann at gmail.com>

> hello group,
>
> I like the quick hints feature very much, however I have a little
> problem with it. When I want to follow a link I look at the text, type
> 'f' and a portion of the link. Sometimes this portion contains too
> many characters; a smaller part of it makes it unique already.
> The result is that the rest of the input is used in the next screen.
>
> For example: I want to follow the link 'discard' and type fdiscard.
> It appears that dis was enough. The link is followed and the letters
> card are used as commands in the next window (add bookmark, reload,
> delete tab?).
>
> Question: is it possible to add a setting that requires a return to be
> entered to follow a link? Or a setting that cleares the input buffer
> when a link is followed using a hint?
>
> regards, Ruud
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
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From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 05:21:48 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:21:48 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] follow quick hints
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On 12/11/2008, Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, it's a little annoying that sometimes you type "too fast" in hint mode
> that leads to some unpredictable action. But as following a link is a
> heavily performed action, adding a return to confirm open a link may add a
> lot more key strokes to the user in surfing the web. In fact, once you get
> used to the Vimperator's hint, things will not look that bad.

It is true that not everyone will be pleased with that feature. That's
why I asked for a option like hinttimeout to controll the behaviour.
I am convinced that it saves time when you can type in the term and a
return without waiting for the response (is it unique?). The return
would have no effect if the term is not unique and follows the link if
it is.
As for now, I carefully have to look what the response of vimperator
is after each letter. And that in a heavily performed action....

Am I the only one who would like this feature?

regards, Ruud

From dpb at driftaway.org  Wed Nov 12 05:53:15 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:53:15 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] follow quick hints
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2008/11/12 ruud grosmann <r.grosmann at gmail.com>:
> On 12/11/2008, Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes, it's a little annoying that sometimes you type "too fast" in hint mode
>> that leads to some unpredictable action. But as following a link is a
>> heavily performed action, adding a return to confirm open a link may add a
>> lot more key strokes to the user in surfing the web. In fact, once you get
>> used to the Vimperator's hint, things will not look that bad.
>
> It is true that not everyone will be pleased with that feature. That's
> why I asked for a option like hinttimeout to controll the behaviour.
> I am convinced that it saves time when you can type in the term and a
> return without waiting for the response (is it unique?). The return
> would have no effect if the term is not unique and follows the link if
> it is.
> As for now, I carefully have to look what the response of vimperator
> is after each letter. And that in a heavily performed action....
>
> Am I the only one who would like this feature?

No, you're not the only one. Sounds like a nice feature to me. It's
often bugged me that I've typed the hints too fast and then something
goes wrong like deleting the tab or something.. It's pretty annoying.

Patches are always welcome, if you want to add the feature. (Or
someone else.) ;)

--
Daniel

From andrew at pimlott.net  Wed Nov 12 11:57:46 2008
From: andrew at pimlott.net (Andrew Pimlott)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:57:46 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] why can't I follow the link under the cursor?
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I just started using Vimperator, and I quickly found that my biggest
issue would be with following links.  This seems to be common, in view
of all the discussion about hints on the mailing list.  To me, this
whole hint approach overlooks the obvious way to follow links when you
have the navigation powers of Vim at hand: simply navigate to the link
(however you like), and hit some key to follow it.  This is, for
example, my usual idiom in the (terminal-mode) browser w3m.  It works
great, and sidesteps the awkwardness, visual noise, and usability
quantries of hints.

The first argument against this is that Vimperator in fact does not
(yet!) have the navigation powers of Vim.  Vimperator doesn't even have
a visible cursor most of the time, which I consider essential for
Vim-like navigation.  But this is probably a side-point, because we
already have incremental search, which subsumes most of hint
functionality.  (Of course, hints save a few keystrokes, but that's not
essential for me.)

So what do others think about this?  I would nominate the Enter key to
follow the link under the cursor, by the way.

Andrew

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Nov 12 12:19:50 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:19:50 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] follow quick hints
In-Reply-To: <d5baa8100811120321t2d6b3bf5i7a81e58129941749@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5baa8100811120321t2d6b3bf5i7a81e58129941749@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491B3A66.3070302@vimperator.org>

On 2008-11-12 12:21, ruud grosmann wrote:

> hello group,
> 
> I like the quick hints feature very much, however I have a little
> problem with it. When I want to follow a link I look at the text, type
> 'f' and a portion of the link. Sometimes this portion contains too
> many characters; a smaller part of it makes it unique already.
> The result is that the rest of the input is used in the next screen.
> 
> For example: I want to follow the link 'discard' and type fdiscard.
> It appears that dis was enough. The link is followed and the letters
> card are used as commands in the next window (add bookmark, reload,
> delete tab?).
> 
> Question: is it possible to add a setting that requires a return to be
> entered to follow a link? Or a setting that cleares the input buffer
> when a link is followed using a hint?


Right now, vimperator DOES wait 500ms after a unique link was found. I know, this should be configurable, but we already have 'hinttimeout', which does something different, and too many hint*timeouts might be confusing.

The thing which I wanted to change, but didn't have time for, is that it shouldn't wait 500ms after a unique link has been found, but on each keystroke it should reset that timeout, so if you type very fast without more than 500ms for each keystroke you won't do somethin which you did not expect. We might also raise the default timeout to 1 sec, but that would mean waiting 1 sec. longer for each hint to follow.

BTW: @Anrew: Pressing Enter is supported, it will follow the first hint (green instead of yellow).


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Nov 12 12:24:58 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:24:58 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] why can't I follow the link under the cursor?
In-Reply-To: <20081112195746.GK11701@pimlott.net>
References: <d5baa8100811120321t2d6b3bf5i7a81e58129941749@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081112195746.GK11701@pimlott.net>
Message-ID: <491B3B9A.5050206@tedpavlic.com>

> So what do others think about this?  I would nominate the Enter key to
> follow the link under the cursor, by the way.

Are you familiar with Caret mode, which is a standard feature of FF3? 
(and IE8, I believe)

Try hitting F7. You can then use arrow keys (or hjkl) to navigate. IIRC, 
hitting "tab" navigates to the link on the cursor.

--Ted



-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Nov 12 12:26:51 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:26:51 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] why can't I follow the link under the cursor?
In-Reply-To: <491B3B9A.5050206@tedpavlic.com>
References: <d5baa8100811120321t2d6b3bf5i7a81e58129941749@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081112195746.GK11701@pimlott.net>
	<491B3B9A.5050206@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <491B3C0B.3060807@tedpavlic.com>

>> So what do others think about this?  I would nominate the Enter key to
>> follow the link under the cursor, by the way.
> 
> Are you familiar with Caret mode, which is a standard feature of FF3? 
> (and IE8, I believe)
> 
> Try hitting F7. You can then use arrow keys (or hjkl) to navigate. IIRC, 
> hitting "tab" navigates to the link on the cursor.

(note: if you haven't abandoned vimperator, you can get into caret mode 
by hitting "i" -- like "insert" mode in Vim... but otherwise F7 gets you 
there even without Vimperator)


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From andrew at pimlott.net  Wed Nov 12 12:41:51 2008
From: andrew at pimlott.net (Andrew Pimlott)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:41:51 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] why can't I follow the link under the cursor?
In-Reply-To: <491B3C0B.3060807@tedpavlic.com>
References: <d5baa8100811120321t2d6b3bf5i7a81e58129941749@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20081112204151.GN11701@pimlott.net>

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 03:26:51PM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> (note: if you haven't abandoned vimperator...

First, I haven't abandoned Vimperator, and I doubt I will!  I already
find it more comfortable than Firefox, and I am only wishing for
features that will make it as comfortable as Vim--which is indeed a very
high standard!

> >Are you familiar with Caret mode, which is a standard feature of FF3? 

I'm familiar with it (I should have said), but I find it currently
useless.  (And I am only going to talk about how caret mode within
Vimperator, because that's all I'm using.)  For starters, as soon as you
do just about anything (eg, search), you leave caret mode.  Second, I
can't find any way to follow links from within caret mode.  Third, a lot
of Vim keybindings are missing in caret mode (eg, ctrl-e to stroll,
which is available in normal mode). 

Maybe all I need is to have Caret mode fixed/fleshed out.  If I get into
coding mode, I'll look at this.

Andrew

From christian.glindkamp at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 13:36:36 2008
From: christian.glindkamp at gmail.com (Christian Glindkamp)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:36:36 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] follow quick hints
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References: <d5baa8100811120321t2d6b3bf5i7a81e58129941749@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20081112223636.2afe962f@gmail.com>

On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:19:50 +0100 Martin Stubenschrott <maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
> BTW: @Anrew: Pressing Enter is supported, it will follow the first hint (green instead of yellow).

Apropos: The current stable version of vimperator directly sets these
as style options and not using class-attributes and CSS. This is a
problem for me as I have disabled custom colors for websites. Everything
uses my system colors so these hint boxes are invisible for me. Using
classes would enable me to set my preferred colors via userContent.css.
Would it be possible to at least add classes for these hint boxes. The
boxes containing the numbers already use a class (which I use to style
them).

P.S.: Sorry for hijacking the thread.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Nov 12 13:40:06 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:40:06 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100811100915u2cbe943er4a4e28d31c8c4e31@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<49135FAD.3090304@tedpavlic.com> <20081106212447.GF2328@jg.home>
	<4913673E.1000900@tedpavlic.com> <20081106220307.GG2328@jg.home>
	<49144298.8080508@tedpavlic.com> <4914DEE1.4090008@vimperator.org>
	<49179475.7040300@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0811091808r63c7679fwcf2caaceffa89e2c@mail.gmail.com>
	<491853C4.6050203@tedpavlic.com>
	<aaae92100811100915u2cbe943er4a4e28d31c8c4e31@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491B4D36.2050104@tedpavlic.com>

Has there been any progress on this? At the moment, it makes the latest 
CVS version of Vimperator unusable to me.

Maybe the point will be moot when FF3.1 goes live.

Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
> Oh, very good catch!
> 
> I noticed slow firefox startup myself, but thought it was due to bad
> caching of favicons, but that explains it.
> Very good catch, hope to find the fix soon.
> 
> Thanks for the investigation!
> 
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
>> The recent "'fix' FF 3.0 style sheet" changeset seems to get rid of one
>> problem (the errors) but generate a new problem. The script:
>>
>> chrome://liberator/content/util.js:500
>>
>> is unresponsive for a LONG time. Firefox is not usable during this time.
>> Eventually it finishes. There are no messages on the console aside from
>> liberator profile ("Starting ...") messages.

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From robert.e.hickman at googlemail.com  Thu Nov 13 02:15:10 2008
From: robert.e.hickman at googlemail.com (robert hickman)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:15:10 +0000
Subject: [Vimperator] Display bookmark folders in vimperator and
	scrapbook integration script?
In-Reply-To: <d5baa8100811120237r20782f02s9f7cb66dd7c0265f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <63a039270811111505va473a4cg2006717952229d59@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811112336j45b32f75r43a530857fb30dff@mail.gmail.com>
	<d5baa8100811120237r20782f02s9f7cb66dd7c0265f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63a039270811130215r3d8aab40na66b7774d2cc6287@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks.

2008/11/12 ruud grosmann <r.grosmann at gmail.com>:
> idebar Bookmarks
>>
>>> 2) Is there a script to integrate ScrapBook into vimperator.
>>
>> Haven't heard of one. But you can always make one. ;)
>>
>> --
>> Daniel
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>
> I have made a simple one. Maybe you can use it as a starting point.
>
> commands.addUserCommand(['sbcap'],"capture with scrapbook",
>    function(){
>   sbBrowserOverlay.execCapture(0, null, false, 'urn:scrapbook:root');
>    },
>    {
>    }
> );
>
> commands.addUserCommand(['sbbmark'],"bookmark with scrapbook",
>    function(){
>    sbBrowserOverlay.bookmark();
>    },
>    {
>    }
> );
>
>
> regards, Ruud
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From chr+vimperator at tx0.org  Thu Nov 13 03:04:43 2008
From: chr+vimperator at tx0.org (Christian Mongeau)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:04:43 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] follow quick hints
In-Reply-To: <20081112223636.2afe962f@gmail.com>
References: <d5baa8100811120321t2d6b3bf5i7a81e58129941749@mail.gmail.com>
	<491B3A66.3070302@vimperator.org>
	<20081112223636.2afe962f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081113110443.GA5416@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG>

On 2008-11-12, Christian Glindkamp wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:19:50 +0100 Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
> > BTW: @Anrew: Pressing Enter is supported, it will follow the
> > first hint (green instead of yellow).
>
> Apropos: The current stable version of vimperator directly sets
> these as style options and not using class-attributes and CSS.
> This is a problem for me as I have disabled custom colors for
> websites. Everything uses my system colors so these hint boxes
> are invisible for me. Using classes would enable me to set my
> preferred colors via userContent.css.  Would it be possible to
> at least add classes for these hint boxes.
[...]

I used to have a CSS file like [1]:

* {
  color: #ddd !important;
  background: #000 !important;
}

a[href] {
  color: #fff !important;
  background: #333 !important;
}

Those definitions hide the [active]linkbgcolor and
[active]linkfgcolor, as you have noticed. I solved it modifying
my CSS file:

*:not(a) {
  color: #ddd !important;
  background: #000 !important;
}

a[href]:not([style*="color"]) {
  color: #fff !important;
  background: #333 !important;
}

The reason is that when there are no hints, the (relevant)
generated source for a link is:

a style="" href="http://example.com"

whilst when you are in hint mode the generated link is (depending
on your color definition):

a style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" href="http://example.com"

In this way, a[href]:not([style*="color"]) defines my default
colors only when there's no "color" in the "style" attribute,
i.e., when not using hints.

Well, it works for me.

Regards,

Christian.

[1] It's a simplification: There are exceptions for textareas,
    forms, etc.

-- 
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org

From eyolf at oestrem.com  Thu Nov 13 11:43:50 2008
From: eyolf at oestrem.com (Eyolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8strem?=)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:43:50 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Question about quickmarks and mkv
Message-ID: <20081113194350.GA22781@eyo>


I've been wondering about quickmarks: where are they stored? A while ago,  
when I upgraded vimperator, I lost my quickmarks except those that are
defined in .vimperatorrc.

I found them, grepping through the firefox profile folder, in prefs.js. Is
there a way to retrieve them from there? They are not included in the
output file with :mkvimperatorrc either. Neither are my hard-coded marks,
which leads me to my second question: are there other things that get left
out from :mkv? I have been thinking about it as a convenient way to play
around with settings and then :mkv'ing them when I'm satisfied, but if my
qm's are lost, I'd rather do it manually...


Eyolf

-- 
Debian is the Jedi operating system: "Always two there are, a master and
an apprentice".
		-- Simon Richter on debian-devel

From christian.glindkamp at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 11:49:02 2008
From: christian.glindkamp at gmail.com (Christian Glindkamp)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:49:02 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] follow quick hints
In-Reply-To: <20081113200718.7a8cf1a9@gmail.com>
References: <d5baa8100811120321t2d6b3bf5i7a81e58129941749@mail.gmail.com>
	<491B3A66.3070302@vimperator.org>
	<20081112223636.2afe962f@gmail.com>
	<20081113110443.GA5416@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG>
	<20081113200718.7a8cf1a9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081113204902.16226a60@gmail.com>

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:07:18 +0100 Christian Glindkamp <christian.glindkamp at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:04:43 +0100 Christian Mongeau <chr+vimperator at tx0.org> wrote:
> > On 2008-11-12, Christian Glindkamp wrote:
> > > On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:19:50 +0100 Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
> > > > BTW: @Anrew: Pressing Enter is supported, it will follow the
> > > > first hint (green instead of yellow).
> > >
> > > Apropos: The current stable version of vimperator directly sets
> > > these as style options and not using class-attributes and CSS.
> > > This is a problem for me as I have disabled custom colors for
> > > websites. Everything uses my system colors so these hint boxes
> > > are invisible for me. Using classes would enable me to set my
> > > preferred colors via userContent.css.  Would it be possible to
> > > at least add classes for these hint boxes.
> > [...]
> > 
> > I used to have a CSS file like [1]:
> > 
> > * {
> >   color: #ddd !important;
> >   background: #000 !important;
> > }
> > 
> > a[href] {
> >   color: #fff !important;
> >   background: #333 !important;
> > }
> > 
> > Those definitions hide the [active]linkbgcolor and
> > [active]linkfgcolor, as you have noticed. I solved it modifying
> > my CSS file:
> > 
> > *:not(a) {
> >   color: #ddd !important;
> >   background: #000 !important;
> > }
> > 
> > a[href]:not([style*="color"]) {
> >   color: #fff !important;
> >   background: #333 !important;
> > }
> > 
> > The reason is that when there are no hints, the (relevant)
> > generated source for a link is:
> > 
> > a style="" href="http://example.com"
> > 
> > whilst when you are in hint mode the generated link is (depending
> > on your color definition):
> > 
> > a style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" href="http://example.com"
> > 
> > In this way, a[href]:not([style*="color"]) defines my default
> > colors only when there's no "color" in the "style" attribute,
> > i.e., when not using hints.
> > 
> > Well, it works for me.
> 
> Well, it works for me, too. Thank you.
> 
> I had already fiddled with userContent.css to get the same behaviour as with
> disabled colors. I only missed the removal of background images and working
> hint colors. With your css + an additional "background-image: none !important;"
> I got my "perfect" setup.
> 

Well, there is still one little problem. CSS cannot differentiate, who set
the colors (the website or vimperator), but I can live with that at the
moment, although there might be situations where custom colors in links
could make them hard to read. So it might still make sense to add classes
to hints, but it isn't that important anymore.

From christian.glindkamp at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 11:07:18 2008
From: christian.glindkamp at gmail.com (Christian Glindkamp)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:07:18 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] follow quick hints
In-Reply-To: <20081113110443.GA5416@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG>
References: <d5baa8100811120321t2d6b3bf5i7a81e58129941749@mail.gmail.com>
	<491B3A66.3070302@vimperator.org>
	<20081112223636.2afe962f@gmail.com>
	<20081113110443.GA5416@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG>
Message-ID: <20081113200718.7a8cf1a9@gmail.com>

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:04:43 +0100 Christian Mongeau <chr+vimperator at tx0.org> wrote:
> On 2008-11-12, Christian Glindkamp wrote:
> > On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:19:50 +0100 Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
> > > BTW: @Anrew: Pressing Enter is supported, it will follow the
> > > first hint (green instead of yellow).
> >
> > Apropos: The current stable version of vimperator directly sets
> > these as style options and not using class-attributes and CSS.
> > This is a problem for me as I have disabled custom colors for
> > websites. Everything uses my system colors so these hint boxes
> > are invisible for me. Using classes would enable me to set my
> > preferred colors via userContent.css.  Would it be possible to
> > at least add classes for these hint boxes.
> [...]
> 
> I used to have a CSS file like [1]:
> 
> * {
>   color: #ddd !important;
>   background: #000 !important;
> }
> 
> a[href] {
>   color: #fff !important;
>   background: #333 !important;
> }
> 
> Those definitions hide the [active]linkbgcolor and
> [active]linkfgcolor, as you have noticed. I solved it modifying
> my CSS file:
> 
> *:not(a) {
>   color: #ddd !important;
>   background: #000 !important;
> }
> 
> a[href]:not([style*="color"]) {
>   color: #fff !important;
>   background: #333 !important;
> }
> 
> The reason is that when there are no hints, the (relevant)
> generated source for a link is:
> 
> a style="" href="http://example.com"
> 
> whilst when you are in hint mode the generated link is (depending
> on your color definition):
> 
> a style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 102); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" href="http://example.com"
> 
> In this way, a[href]:not([style*="color"]) defines my default
> colors only when there's no "color" in the "style" attribute,
> i.e., when not using hints.
> 
> Well, it works for me.

Well, it works for me, too. Thank you.

I had already fiddled with userContent.css to get the same behaviour as with
disabled colors. I only missed the removal of background images and working
hint colors. With your css + an additional "background-image: none !important;"
I got my "perfect" setup.

> 
> Regards,
> 
> Christian.

Regards,

Christian. ;)


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Nov 13 13:30:24 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:30:24 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <491B4D36.2050104@tedpavlic.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<49135FAD.3090304@tedpavlic.com> <20081106212447.GF2328@jg.home>
	<4913673E.1000900@tedpavlic.com> <20081106220307.GG2328@jg.home>
	<49144298.8080508@tedpavlic.com> <4914DEE1.4090008@vimperator.org>
	<49179475.7040300@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0811091808r63c7679fwcf2caaceffa89e2c@mail.gmail.com>
	<491853C4.6050203@tedpavlic.com>
	<aaae92100811100915u2cbe943er4a4e28d31c8c4e31@mail.gmail.com>
	<491B4D36.2050104@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <491C9C70.3090908@tedpavlic.com>

By the way, I was able to install the latest nightly FF3.1 on my OSX10.4 
system and try the latest Vimperator CVS again.

I still get lots of beachballs (that's the Mac version of a spinning 
hourglass when the program becomes unresponsive). Eventually, I received 
an "Unresponsive script" warning from:

Script: chrome://liberator/content/bookmarks.js:575

Before the problem was in util.js, not bookmarks.js. I haven't been able 
to reproduce this error (where I was able to reproduce the util.js error 
frequently in FF3.0 with CVS Vimp).

--Ted


Ted Pavlic wrote:
> Has there been any progress on this? At the moment, it makes the latest 
> CVS version of Vimperator unusable to me.
> 
> Maybe the point will be moot when FF3.1 goes live.
> 
> Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>> Oh, very good catch!
>>
>> I noticed slow firefox startup myself, but thought it was due to bad
>> caching of favicons, but that explains it.
>> Very good catch, hope to find the fix soon.
>>
>> Thanks for the investigation!
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
>>> The recent "'fix' FF 3.0 style sheet" changeset seems to get rid of one
>>> problem (the errors) but generate a new problem. The script:
>>>
>>> chrome://liberator/content/util.js:500
>>>
>>> is unresponsive for a LONG time. Firefox is not usable during this time.
>>> Eventually it finishes. There are no messages on the console aside from
>>> liberator profile ("Starting ...") messages.
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Nov 13 14:27:02 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:27:02 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <491C9C70.3090908@tedpavlic.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081106220307.GG2328@jg.home> <49144298.8080508@tedpavlic.com>
	<4914DEE1.4090008@vimperator.org> <49179475.7040300@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0811091808r63c7679fwcf2caaceffa89e2c@mail.gmail.com>
	<491853C4.6050203@tedpavlic.com>
	<aaae92100811100915u2cbe943er4a4e28d31c8c4e31@mail.gmail.com>
	<491B4D36.2050104@tedpavlic.com> <491C9C70.3090908@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100811131427o1909b121rbfb8478fddc079c8@mail.gmail.com>

Actually i found the problem, that our Struct "class" is very slow,
about 10-50x slower than using simple [a, b] or {a: "...", b: "..."}
objects.

I am investigating the problem currently, but if i don't find a
solution, i'll change using of Struct back to using named objects for
items which are created often.

Thanks for the updated info.

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
> By the way, I was able to install the latest nightly FF3.1 on my OSX10.4
> system and try the latest Vimperator CVS again.
>
> I still get lots of beachballs (that's the Mac version of a spinning
> hourglass when the program becomes unresponsive). Eventually, I received an
> "Unresponsive script" warning from:
>
> Script: chrome://liberator/content/bookmarks.js:575
>
> Before the problem was in util.js, not bookmarks.js. I haven't been able to
> reproduce this error (where I was able to reproduce the util.js error
> frequently in FF3.0 with CVS Vimp).
>
> --Ted
>
>
> Ted Pavlic wrote:
>>
>> Has there been any progress on this? At the moment, it makes the latest
>> CVS version of Vimperator unusable to me.
>>
>> Maybe the point will be moot when FF3.1 goes live.
>>
>> Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh, very good catch!
>>>
>>> I noticed slow firefox startup myself, but thought it was due to bad
>>> caching of favicons, but that explains it.
>>> Very good catch, hope to find the fix soon.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the investigation!
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The recent "'fix' FF 3.0 style sheet" changeset seems to get rid of one
>>>> problem (the errors) but generate a new problem. The script:
>>>>
>>>> chrome://liberator/content/util.js:500
>>>>
>>>> is unresponsive for a LONG time. Firefox is not usable during this time.
>>>> Eventually it finishes. There are no messages on the console aside from
>>>> liberator profile ("Starting ...") messages.
>>
>
> --
> Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 14:49:19 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:49:19 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100811131427o1909b121rbfb8478fddc079c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<49144298.8080508@tedpavlic.com> <4914DEE1.4090008@vimperator.org>
	<49179475.7040300@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0811091808r63c7679fwcf2caaceffa89e2c@mail.gmail.com>
	<491853C4.6050203@tedpavlic.com>
	<aaae92100811100915u2cbe943er4a4e28d31c8c4e31@mail.gmail.com>
	<491B4D36.2050104@tedpavlic.com> <491C9C70.3090908@tedpavlic.com>
	<aaae92100811131427o1909b121rbfb8478fddc079c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a48155040811131449jd2474abjdcefc7a4fbbb04d8@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Martin Stubenschrott
<maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
> Actually i found the problem, that our Struct "class" is very slow,
> about 10-50x slower than using simple [a, b] or {a: "...", b: "..."}
> objects.

That's strange. It must vary from FF version to FF version. I'd expect
it to be slow in certain situations, but in cases where it's used as
an array, it shouldn't make any difference whatsoever. Where is the
speed problem? In creation or access?

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Nov 13 15:10:32 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:10:32 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <a48155040811131449jd2474abjdcefc7a4fbbb04d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>	<49144298.8080508@tedpavlic.com>
	<4914DEE1.4090008@vimperator.org>	<49179475.7040300@tedpavlic.com>	<644fc65e0811091808r63c7679fwcf2caaceffa89e2c@mail.gmail.com>	<491853C4.6050203@tedpavlic.com>	<aaae92100811100915u2cbe943er4a4e28d31c8c4e31@mail.gmail.com>	<491B4D36.2050104@tedpavlic.com>
	<491C9C70.3090908@tedpavlic.com>	<aaae92100811131427o1909b121rbfb8478fddc079c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811131449jd2474abjdcefc7a4fbbb04d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <491CB3E8.6070002@vimperator.org>

On 2008-11-13 23:49, Kris Maglione wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Martin Stubenschrott
> <maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
>> Actually i found the problem, that our Struct "class" is very slow,
>> about 10-50x slower than using simple [a, b] or {a: "...", b: "..."}
>> objects.
> 
> That's strange. It must vary from FF version to FF version. I'd expect
> it to be slow in certain situations, but in cases where it's used as
> an array, it shouldn't make any difference whatsoever. Where is the
> speed problem? In creation or access?


Creation, actually i just commited a small change which also included comments
about the problem.

You can test it with:

:time var s = new Struct("url", "title"); var res = []; for(let i=0; i < 10000; i++) { res.push(new s("a", "b")); };

vs.

:time var s = new Struct("url", "title"); var res = []; for(let i=0; i < 10000; i++) { res.push(["a", "b"]); };

Right now on my machine it is about: 

0.17s for the first vs. 24ms for the second (8 times faster). Before my
last commit which changed:

---------------------

     function ConStructor()
     {
         let self = this instanceof arguments.callee ? this : new arguments.callee();
-        for (let [k, v] in Iterator(Array.slice(arguments)))
+        //for (let [k, v] in Iterator(Array.slice(arguments))) // That is makes using struct twice as slow as the following code:
+        for (let i = 0; i < arguments.length; i++)
         {
-            if (v != undefined)
-                self[k] = v;
+            if (arguments[i] != undefined)
+                self[i] = arguments[i];
         }
+
         return self;
     }

---------------------

it was even twice as slow. If i change that code to create arbitrary two
variables inside "self", it's as fast as using a {} object. So I think
the problem is accessing arguments[...] is VERY slow.


:ver
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1b2pre) Gecko/20081112 Minefield/3.1b2pre

But it was the case with (slightly) older mozillas as well, no idea about FF3.0.

--
Martin

PS: Jit turned on, not difference at all with turned off for me.

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Nov 13 15:15:06 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:15:06 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <491CB3E8.6070002@vimperator.org>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>	<49144298.8080508@tedpavlic.com>
	<4914DEE1.4090008@vimperator.org>	<49179475.7040300@tedpavlic.com>	<644fc65e0811091808r63c7679fwcf2caaceffa89e2c@mail.gmail.com>	<491853C4.6050203@tedpavlic.com>	<aaae92100811100915u2cbe943er4a4e28d31c8c4e31@mail.gmail.com>	<491B4D36.2050104@tedpavlic.com>
	<491C9C70.3090908@tedpavlic.com>	<aaae92100811131427o1909b121rbfb8478fddc079c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811131449jd2474abjdcefc7a4fbbb04d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<491CB3E8.6070002@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <491CB4FA.6090406@vimperator.org>

Oh, as a follow-up: Vimperator startup time (well, hard to measure exactly, but what we dump())
decreased from about 550ms to about 750ms without any major new features.

I guess the problem might also be the slow Struct() being heavily used in things like styles.

Actually a large history just showed the Struct problem, as there are thousands of items generated.
Once, i'll move to cpt=l by default, we also shouldn't cache history (and bookmarks) anymore by default,
unless maybe the user does :hs or :bmarks manually.

--
Martin

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 15:57:49 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:57:49 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <491CB4FA.6090406@vimperator.org>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0811091808r63c7679fwcf2caaceffa89e2c@mail.gmail.com>
	<491853C4.6050203@tedpavlic.com>
	<aaae92100811100915u2cbe943er4a4e28d31c8c4e31@mail.gmail.com>
	<491B4D36.2050104@tedpavlic.com> <491C9C70.3090908@tedpavlic.com>
	<aaae92100811131427o1909b121rbfb8478fddc079c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811131449jd2474abjdcefc7a4fbbb04d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<491CB3E8.6070002@vimperator.org> <491CB4FA.6090406@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <a48155040811131557u74b3572bi87e1500e2c79917d@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Martin Stubenschrott
<maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
> Oh, as a follow-up: Vimperator startup time (well, hard to measure exactly, but what we dump())
> decreased from about 550ms to about 750ms without any major new features.
>
> I guess the problem might also be the slow Struct() being heavily used in things like styles.
>
> Actually a large history just showed the Struct problem, as there are thousands of items generated.
> Once, i'll move to cpt=l by default, we also shouldn't cache history (and bookmarks) anymore by default,
> unless maybe the user does :hs or :bmarks manually.

Yeah, I'd really rather not cache anything we don't have to. It may be
necessary for :bmarks, because they're hierarchical, and we don't
treat them as such. For history, I don't think it's as much of a
problem.

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 16:00:29 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:00:29 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <491CB3E8.6070002@vimperator.org>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>
	<49179475.7040300@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0811091808r63c7679fwcf2caaceffa89e2c@mail.gmail.com>
	<491853C4.6050203@tedpavlic.com>
	<aaae92100811100915u2cbe943er4a4e28d31c8c4e31@mail.gmail.com>
	<491B4D36.2050104@tedpavlic.com> <491C9C70.3090908@tedpavlic.com>
	<aaae92100811131427o1909b121rbfb8478fddc079c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811131449jd2474abjdcefc7a4fbbb04d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<491CB3E8.6070002@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <a48155040811131600w2b7334efk6194db8fa8b00d97@mail.gmail.com>

> PS: Jit turned on, not difference at all with turned off for me.

I'll have to explore it more. JIT doesn't make a difference for me. I
can't seem to find a difference with simple tests:

10000time (function () { let x={}; for (let [k,v] in
Iterator(arguments)) x[k]=v })(1,2,3,4,5)
10000time (function () { let x={}; for (let [k,v] in
Iterator(Array.slice(arguments))) x[k]=v })(1,2,3,4,5)
10000time (function () { let x={}; for (let i=0; i<arguments.length;
i++) x[i]=arguments[i] })(1,2,3,4,5)

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Nov 13 17:32:27 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:32:27 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
In-Reply-To: <491CB4FA.6090406@vimperator.org>
References: <880dece00811060341v4bf719b8jb6f24935e1a49936@mail.gmail.com>	<49144298.8080508@tedpavlic.com>
	<4914DEE1.4090008@vimperator.org>	<49179475.7040300@tedpavlic.com>	<644fc65e0811091808r63c7679fwcf2caaceffa89e2c@mail.gmail.com>	<491853C4.6050203@tedpavlic.com>	<aaae92100811100915u2cbe943er4a4e28d31c8c4e31@mail.gmail.com>	<491B4D36.2050104@tedpavlic.com>
	<491C9C70.3090908@tedpavlic.com>	<aaae92100811131427o1909b121rbfb8478fddc079c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811131449jd2474abjdcefc7a4fbbb04d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<491CB3E8.6070002@vimperator.org> <491CB4FA.6090406@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <491CD52B.8070005@tedpavlic.com>

> Oh, as a follow-up: Vimperator startup time (well, hard to measure
> exactly, but what we dump()) decreased from about 550ms to about
> 750ms without any major new features.

FYI, I've been using the latest Vimperator CVS, and I haven't had any 
unresponsive script warnings. It seems to be working well.

It's nice to be using the "cutting edge" Vimp again. There have been 
about 45 changesets since the revision I've had to use. :)

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Nov 14 06:04:56 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:04:56 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] INSERT (menu) -- Vimp navigation?
Message-ID: <491D8588.8080105@tedpavlic.com>

When Vimperator goes into "INSERT (menu)" mode (e.g., when typing in a 
text box and Firefox drops a list of possible completions), is there any 
way to navigate the menu using Vimp commands?

That is, right now I have to go over and use my cursor keys. I can't use 
hjkl because I'm in insert mode. Hitting escape doesn't help either.

Is there a solution? How do I Vimmy-navigate the insert menu?

Thanks --
Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From chris at mretc.net  Thu Nov 13 11:41:41 2008
From: chris at mretc.net (Chris Burkhardt)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:41:41 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator breaks with iceweasel
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230811110525w5d86c844k130afae1b2c02e63@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5baa8100811110446w541c0827s8dd383db985812b4@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811110525w5d86c844k130afae1b2c02e63@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gfhvtm$etu$1@ger.gmane.org>

Daniel Bainton wrote:
> 2008/11/11 ruud grosmann <r.grosmann at gmail.com>:
>> hello group,
>>
>> I have a nasty issue with vimperator and iceweasel a cannot solve. I
>> hope the following rings a bell for one of you, because I'm stuck.
>>
>> Because I do not know the source of my problem I just give a
>> description of what happened:
>>
>> - I install the vimperator plugin and get really enthousiastic
>> - I create .vimperatorrc and .vimperator/plugin with two files in it
>> - everything works ok
>> - I discover there is a debian package iceweasel-vimperator or so and
>> install it (iceweasel 3.0.2)
>> - I use vimperator, it works OK, I install it on my work too
>>
>> - at home, another user who shares ~/.mozilla/firefox with me starts
>> the browser and is confronted with vimperator.  I disable vimperator
>> and restart
>> - after that I try to make vimperator only working for me by changing
>> the rights of the extensions/vimperator.org directory
>> - vimperator does not seem to work
>> - I remove the plugin, I remove the debian package
>> - after restarting the browser the back and forward buttons are greyed
>> out even after following links
>> - I reinstall vimperator plugin
>> - vimperator still doesn't seem to work: there is no lastline, no
>> command line command has effect, the command line contains -- INSERT
>> -- after some time or at startup
>> - back and forward buttons and menu entry in iceweasel are greyed out;
>> H doesn't work, but with mousegestures I am able to follow the history
>> back and forth
>> - bookmarks are disappeared, Iceweasel is not able to import anything
>> or to use the backup it has made
>> - disabling or uninstalling the plugin doesn't improve the iceweasel
>> behaviour, installing the plugin again leads to the same vimperator
>> behavior
>>
>>
>> DOes anyone have a clue what is happening? What started this trouble?
>> What can I do now to get vimperator working?
>> Can I disable vimperator for one user by settings in the .vimperatorrc?
> 
> 1. Why is another user sharing your ~/.mozilla/firefox? Users should
> have their OWN accounts, with their OWN home directories.

Even with a shared $HOME, each user may have their own Firefox profile:

iceweasel -P ProfileManager

Then just install the vimperator plugin for one (don't use the Debian package).

- Chris Burkhardt


From nemolivier at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 09:02:22 2008
From: nemolivier at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Olivier_Gu=C3=A9ry?=)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:02:22 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] INSERT (menu) -- Vimp navigation?
In-Reply-To: <491D8588.8080105@tedpavlic.com>
References: <491D8588.8080105@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <5c2c86e70811140902t6e182f48n1abab91f9604dee8@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/14 Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>:
> When Vimperator goes into "INSERT (menu)" mode (e.g., when typing in a text
> box and Firefox drops a list of possible completions), is there any way to
> navigate the menu using Vimp commands?
>
> That is, right now I have to go over and use my cursor keys. I can't use
> hjkl because I'm in insert mode. Hitting escape doesn't help either.
>
> Is there a solution? How do I Vimmy-navigate the insert menu?

<Tab> would be great.

Olivier.



-- 
[Message tap? sur un clavier B?po : http://www.clavier-dvorak.org ]
http://nemolivier.blogspot.com

From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 10:34:30 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:34:30 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] test code change
Message-ID: <d5baa8100811151034p68ac06ffg1936fc43f09e92@mail.gmail.com>

hello list,

this is the first time I have changed a plugin. I have made a small
code change in hints.js. Now I want to test the result. I thought that
'make jar' and symlinking the new built jar in the
firefox/extension/vimperator.org/chrome directory and restarting the
browser would be enough.

Most likely I am wrong and is the procedure to test code different.
Vimperator does nothing whatsoever. Could someone point me out to  an
explanation for novices like me?

regards, Ruud

From mftian at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 10:47:33 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:47:33 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] test code change
In-Reply-To: <d5baa8100811151034p68ac06ffg1936fc43f09e92@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5baa8100811151034p68ac06ffg1936fc43f09e92@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a28ffaac0811151047s5cf96699lde7062b5e5e3cdfb@mail.gmail.com>

'make xpi' would do the job: compile and general a ready-to-deliever
vimperator xpi file
search Vimperator.org by keyword 'CVS', there will be instructions for
everything

2008/11/16 ruud grosmann <r.grosmann at gmail.com>

> hello list,
>
> this is the first time I have changed a plugin. I have made a small
> code change in hints.js. Now I want to test the result. I thought that
> 'make jar' and symlinking the new built jar in the
> firefox/extension/vimperator.org/chrome directory and restarting the
> browser would be enough.
>
> Most likely I am wrong and is the procedure to test code different.
> Vimperator does nothing whatsoever. Could someone point me out to  an
> explanation for novices like me?
>
> regards, Ruud
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
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From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 11:02:45 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:02:45 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] test code change
In-Reply-To: <a28ffaac0811151047s5cf96699lde7062b5e5e3cdfb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5baa8100811151034p68ac06ffg1936fc43f09e92@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0811151047s5cf96699lde7062b5e5e3cdfb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d5baa8100811151102n70e362d9uc0e7d7fcb51f87da@mail.gmail.com>

thanks, I'll try it right away,

Ruud

On 15/11/2008, Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com> wrote:
> 'make xpi' would do the job: compile and general a ready-to-deliever
> vimperator xpi file
> search Vimperator.org by keyword 'CVS', there will be instructions for
> everything
>
> 2008/11/16 ruud grosmann <r.grosmann at gmail.com>
>
>> hello list,
>>
>> this is the first time I have changed a plugin. I have made a small
>> code change in hints.js. Now I want to test the result. I thought that
>> 'make jar' and symlinking the new built jar in the
>> firefox/extension/vimperator.org/chrome directory and restarting the
>> browser would be enough.
>>
>> Most likely I am wrong and is the procedure to test code different.
>> Vimperator does nothing whatsoever. Could someone point me out to  an
>> explanation for novices like me?
>>
>> regards, Ruud
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>

From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 12:09:05 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:09:05 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] test code change
In-Reply-To: <d5baa8100811151102n70e362d9uc0e7d7fcb51f87da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5baa8100811151034p68ac06ffg1936fc43f09e92@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0811151047s5cf96699lde7062b5e5e3cdfb@mail.gmail.com>
	<d5baa8100811151102n70e362d9uc0e7d7fcb51f87da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d5baa8100811151209h25ff9a5eqa92e10ba4716a29a@mail.gmail.com>

OK, I tested it as folows:
- I moved extensions/vimperator at mozdev.org to .. (profiledirectory)
- I created a testfile containing the path to my testdirectory
- tested the code change, made some changes until content
- then I removed the textfile containing the path to my testdirectory
- I moved extensions/../vimperator at mozdev.org to its original
location; I assume I have the old situation back
- restarted iceweasel

And yes, I got my  old vimperator back. But wait. I want to know how
to document the change and enter :help. Now it appears I don't have my
old situation back. The browser (vimperator)  replies 'Processing
keypress event: [Exception... "Component returned failure code:
0x80520012 (NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND)  bladiblah' and a htmlpage
containing 'File Not Found Iceweasel can't find the file at
chrome://liberator/locale/intro.html'

Who can tell me what happened and how I can repair this?

Thanks in advance,

Ruud

On 15/11/2008, ruud grosmann <r.grosmann at gmail.com> wrote:
> thanks, I'll try it right away,
>
> Ruud
>
> On 15/11/2008, Xie&Tian <mftian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 'make xpi' would do the job: compile and general a ready-to-deliever
>> vimperator xpi file
>> search Vimperator.org by keyword 'CVS', there will be instructions for
>> everything
>>
>> 2008/11/16 ruud grosmann <r.grosmann at gmail.com>
>>
>>> hello list,
>>>
>>> this is the first time I have changed a plugin. I have made a small
>>> code change in hints.js. Now I want to test the result. I thought that
>>> 'make jar' and symlinking the new built jar in the
>>> firefox/extension/vimperator.org/chrome directory and restarting the
>>> browser would be enough.
>>>
>>> Most likely I am wrong and is the procedure to test code different.
>>> Vimperator does nothing whatsoever. Could someone point me out to  an
>>> explanation for novices like me?
>>>
>>> regards, Ruud
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Vimperator mailing list
>>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>>
>>
>

From reza.jelveh at tuhh.de  Sat Nov 15 12:38:30 2008
From: reza.jelveh at tuhh.de (Reza Jelveh)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:38:30 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Hints programmer-dvorak
Message-ID: <8F7E0F82-9E72-4ACE-B09A-6102FFF81932@tuhh.de>

Hello,

a while ago it was possible to add the attached snippet to the  
hints.js and
make it behave as if i had normal numbers on the keyboard. (1234567890  
in the first keyboard line)

however i can no longer figure out where to put it to make it work.  
even if i put it in right after the
events.toString in onEvent it doesn't seem to have any effect.

any help would be appreciated
regards,

reza

ps. im talking about the cvs head


                     if (/^[&,\[,\{,\},\(,=,\*,\),\+,\]]$/.test(key)  
&& !escapeNumbers)
                     {
                         switch (key)
                         {
                             case "&":
                                 key = "1";
                             break;
                             case "[":
                                 key = "2";
                             break;
                             case "{":
                                 key = "3";
                             break;
                             case "}":
                                 key = "4";
                             break;
                             case "(":
                                 key = "5";
                             break;
                             case "=":
                                 key = "6";
                             break;
                             case "*":
                                 key = "7";
                             break;
                             case ")":
                                 key = "8";
                             break;
                             case "+":
                                 key = "9";
                             break;
                             case "]":
                                 key = "0";
                             break;
                             default:
                             liberator.beep();
                             return;
                         }
                     }

                      if (/^[0-9]$/.test(key) && !escapeNumbers)
                      {


From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 05:38:06 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:38:06 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] follow quick hints
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230811120553m4c011470jf95ed87d79ed33f8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5baa8100811120321t2d6b3bf5i7a81e58129941749@mail.gmail.com>
	<a28ffaac0811120458i2ba713dbn377ca9c37dee4997@mail.gmail.com>
	<d5baa8100811120521p3f681949g98fae6c464302e30@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd9711230811120553m4c011470jf95ed87d79ed33f8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d5baa8100811160538x7214ca08ndcbed699f9ac2131@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/11/2008, Daniel Bainton <dpb at driftaway.org> wrote:

> Patches are always welcome, if you want to add the feature. (Or
> someone else.) ;)
>
> --
> Daniel

Hello Daniel,

it appeared that the feature was not too difficult too implement. I
have added only few lines to hints.js and that is it. I have attached
the result so that the vimperator developers can have a look if it is
acceptable and if it fits in their ideas of the hint mechanism. If it
is good enough, I would be very greatful if a developer can take it
over at this point, because I am no git person and I do not have
asciitext.

Also did I attach the  modified help file, but now I need the help of
other people of the list. I know my English is terrible. So if anyone
can improve it, please post the improved text.

I added an option, hintreturnmode or hrm. The description in the
attached helptext is:
0: default behaviour. Link is followed as soon as text uniquely
identifies it. Return key follows tab selected (if any) or first link.
1:  like 0, but don't follow link automatically if text has uniquely
identified it
2: like 1, but don't follow first link if there are more possibilities

regards, Ruud
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From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 15:39:03 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:39:03 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator latest git bookmarks.js hang my firefox
Message-ID: <aa5421130811161539o717aff8i38ee5b6b79b2562a@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Everyone,

I had just tried the latest git version, but everytime I start firefox,
it will hang my browser for a few moment, and after that, it reports
the following message with the dialog to let me stop the execution
of the script.

Script: chrome://liberator/content/bookmarks.js:578

any ideas to correct this?

thx

regards

SeeN

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 15:46:51 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:46:51 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] char-hints plugin won't work in latest git?
Message-ID: <aa5421130811161546p5894b779x9a178f271c1ef155@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Everyone,

I like the way of char-hints to select links(the old classic way with
2 letters hints) more than the numbered way,
which currently used in vimperator, but after installing the latest
git version, the script won't work anymore.
It seems that the new vimperator changed the variable/component
namespace or sth, so it can't find the proper path for models anymore.
so is there any way that i can switch back to the old classic way or
how to make this plugin work again?

thx a lot

regards

SeeN

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Sun Nov 16 15:55:17 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:55:17 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator latest git bookmarks.js hang my firefox
In-Reply-To: <aa5421130811161539o717aff8i38ee5b6b79b2562a@mail.gmail.com>
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This problem has been discussed in the "Firefox 3.1 support" thread. 
There is a problem with a container class introduced. They've gone ahead 
and removed many of the uses of that class, but it still needs to be fixed.

If you revert to the revision (about 53 changesets ago) that has the 
comment:

	fix :set completion when there's no filter

then you'll have no problems... then just wait for them to fix the 
container.

--Ted

Ye Xu wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I had just tried the latest git version, but everytime I start firefox,
> it will hang my browser for a few moment, and after that, it reports
> the following message with the dialog to let me stop the execution
> of the script.
> 
> Script: chrome://liberator/content/bookmarks.js:578
> 
> any ideas to correct this?
> 
> thx
> 
> regards
> 
> SeeN
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Sun Nov 16 15:58:11 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:58:11 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox 3.1 support?
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NOTE: As discussed in a newly created thread (by someone else), the 
"Unresponsive script" error in the bookmarks script (which is due to the 
problem discussed here) is really a show stopper.

I've had to go back to the "fix :set completion when there's no filter" 
revision (just before the "Fix completions, among other things (sorry)" 
revision) to get a usable Vimperator back.

Thanks --
Ted

Ted Pavlic wrote:
>> Oh, as a follow-up: Vimperator startup time (well, hard to measure
>> exactly, but what we dump()) decreased from about 550ms to about
>> 750ms without any major new features.
> 
> FYI, I've been using the latest Vimperator CVS, and I haven't had any 
> unresponsive script warnings. It seems to be working well.
> 
> It's nice to be using the "cutting edge" Vimp again. There have been 
> about 45 changesets since the revision I've had to use. :)
> 
> --Ted
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 16:08:24 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:08:24 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator latest git bookmarks.js hang my firefox
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	<4920B2E5.6050206@tedpavlic.com>
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sorry for the duplicate question,  I did't follow that thread, so...

i will still prefer to keep using the latest git version,
because i won't relaunch a lot for my browser,
so this small issue cause me no big trouble. :D

thx again.

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 00:55, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
> This problem has been discussed in the "Firefox 3.1 support" thread. There
> is a problem with a container class introduced. They've gone ahead and
> removed many of the uses of that class, but it still needs to be fixed.
>
> If you revert to the revision (about 53 changesets ago) that has the
> comment:
>
>        fix :set completion when there's no filter
>
> then you'll have no problems... then just wait for them to fix the
> container.
>
> --Ted
>
> Ye Xu wrote:
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> I had just tried the latest git version, but everytime I start firefox,
>> it will hang my browser for a few moment, and after that, it reports
>> the following message with the dialog to let me stop the execution
>> of the script.
>>
>> Script: chrome://liberator/content/bookmarks.js:578
>>
>> any ideas to correct this?
>>
>> thx
>>
>> regards
>>
>> SeeN
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>
> --
> Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Sun Nov 16 16:28:43 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:28:43 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug in modes.js... and MORE?
Message-ID: <4920BABB.8030507@tedpavlic.com>

Vimp devs --

	In trying to resurrent char-hints.js to work with Vimperator CVS, I 
noticed that the function:

modes.setCustomMode( ..., ..., ... )

does not appear to be running correctly. After making all of the quick 
fixes to char-hints.js (e.g., changing liberator.blah to blah), I kept 
getting this weird error about "plugins" not being defined on a line in 
char-hints.js where plugins wasn't even mentioned. It turns out the line 
number it was referring to was the line number in modes.js where 
setCustomMode is defined. **IT** calls:

	plugins.mode = modestr;
	plugins.onEvent = oneventfunc;
	plugins.stop = stopfunc;

I'm not SURE (i.e., I have no clue), but I *think* these should be 
"liberator.plugins...." instead of just "plugins." That *fixes* the 
error but appears to break a lot after the "fixed" char-hints.js is sourced.

	So there are **TWO** problems here:

1.) modes.js does not seem to have a "working" setCustomMode (or at 
least it doesn't work like it used to)

2.) Vimperator is TELLING me that char-hints.js has an error on a line 
of modes.js. That is, it *SHOULD* be telling me that the error is in 
modes.js (and maybe tell me that modes.js is getting called from 
char-hints.js)

	Thoughts?
	--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Sun Nov 16 16:40:18 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:40:18 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] char-hints plugin won't work in latest git?
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Message-ID: <4920BD72.1050208@tedpavlic.com>

In THEORY, the attached patch should update char-hints.js for the latest 
CVS Vimp.

HOWEVER, there appears to be a bug (in modes.js) that is causing 
problems with char-hints.js (and potentially other plugins). I've posted 
a separate thread about that.

So wait for that separate thread (about the modes.js bug) to get a 
resolution, and then apply this patch (and possibly another, depending 
on the outcome of that other thread).

--Ted

P.S.

The new hint system is very nice. You might just try converting to it. 
You don't HAVE to use numbers --- just start typing the first few 
letters of the link. For example, if there is a link with the text "Your 
account", you can hit "f" to put you into hints mode and then start 
typing "your account" and quickly Vimperator will home in on the link 
you want and go to it.

Ye Xu wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I like the way of char-hints to select links(the old classic way with
> 2 letters hints) more than the numbered way,
> which currently used in vimperator, but after installing the latest
> git version, the script won't work anymore.
> It seems that the new vimperator changed the variable/component
> namespace or sth, so it can't find the proper path for models anymore.
> so is there any way that i can switch back to the old classic way or
> how to make this plugin work again?

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>
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From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Mon Nov 17 00:57:01 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:57:01 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator latest git bookmarks.js hang my firefox
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>>> Script: chrome://liberator/content/bookmarks.js:578
>>>
>>> any ideas to correct this?

It's the same problem of having a slow Struct class. I just fixed it
for history a few days ago, but not yet for bookmarks.
So i guess you'll only see this problem if you have hundreds or
thousands of bookmarks.

I'll fix it by not using Struct for bookmarks (and Styles) when I have
time, unless Kris has an idea why Struct is slow and how it could be
fixed.
I tried for an hour or so, but just couldn't get it up to the speed of
raw objects/arrays.

From gaochangjian at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 17:27:56 2008
From: gaochangjian at gmail.com (Dreamseeker)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:27:56 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Can I chang the height of status line?
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From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 02:05:59 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:05:59 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] char-hints plugin won't work in latest git?
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thx for your patch and the infomation, I had already try to replace
those liberator.modes,
 liberator.mappings and also liberator.events before open a new thread here,
 but after that I can't even trigger f/F or : event, so I think I
shall wait the fix for modes.js

I know I can type some letters right after the hints are highlighted,
to find the link, but  in some situation, 2 letters are always very handy.

I hope indeed, there is an option available for the user to choose
which way to select
the hints/links.

thx a lot! :D



On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 01:40, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
> In THEORY, the attached patch should update char-hints.js for the latest CVS
> Vimp.
>
> HOWEVER, there appears to be a bug (in modes.js) that is causing problems
> with char-hints.js (and potentially other plugins). I've posted a separate
> thread about that.
>
> So wait for that separate thread (about the modes.js bug) to get a
> resolution, and then apply this patch (and possibly another, depending on
> the outcome of that other thread).
>
> --Ted
>
> P.S.
>
> The new hint system is very nice. You might just try converting to it. You
> don't HAVE to use numbers --- just start typing the first few letters of the
> link. For example, if there is a link with the text "Your account", you can
> hit "f" to put you into hints mode and then start typing "your account" and
> quickly Vimperator will home in on the link you want and go to it.
>
> Ye Xu wrote:
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> I like the way of char-hints to select links(the old classic way with
>> 2 letters hints) more than the numbered way,
>> which currently used in vimperator, but after installing the latest
>> git version, the script won't work anymore.
>> It seems that the new vimperator changed the variable/component
>> namespace or sth, so it can't find the proper path for models anymore.
>> so is there any way that i can switch back to the old classic way or
>> how to make this plugin work again?
>
> --
> Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>
>
> --- a/char-hints.js     2008-11-16 19:23:32.000000000 -0500
> +++ b/char-hints.js     2008-11-16 19:30:06.000000000 -0500
> @@ -23,10 +23,10 @@
>  chh.showcapitals = true;        // show capital letters, even with
> lowercase hintchars
>  chh.timeout = 500;              // in 1/000sec; when set to 0, press <RET>
> to follow
>
> -chh.fgcolor    = liberator.options["linkfgcolor"];        // hints
> foreground color
> -chh.bgcolor    = liberator.options["linkbgcolor"];        // hints
> background color
> -chh.selfgcolor = liberator.options["activelinkfgcolor"];  //
> selected/active hints foreground color
> -chh.selbgcolor = liberator.options["activelinkbgcolor"];  //
> selected/active hints background color
> +chh.fgcolor    = options["linkfgcolor"];        // hints foreground color
> +chh.bgcolor    = options["linkbgcolor"];        // hints background color
> +chh.selfgcolor = options["activelinkfgcolor"];  // selected/active hints
> foreground color
> +chh.selbgcolor = options["activelinkbgcolor"];  // selected/active hints
> background color
>
>  chh.mapNormal = "f";            // trigger normal mode with...
>  chh.mapNormalNewTab = "F";      // trigger and open in new tab
> @@ -253,7 +253,7 @@
>     var scrollY = doc.defaultView.scrollY;
>
>     var baseNodeAbsolute =
> doc.createElementNS("http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml", "span");
> -    baseNodeAbsolute.style.cssText = liberator.options["hintstyle"];
> +    baseNodeAbsolute.style.cssText = options["hintstyle"];
>     baseNodeAbsolute.className = "liberator-hint";
>
>     var elem, tagname, text, span, rect;
> @@ -476,12 +476,12 @@
>         case "a": chh.saveHint(false); break;
>         case "s": chh.saveHint(true); break;
>         case "o": chh.openHint(liberator.CURRENT_TAB); break;
> -        case "O": liberator.commandline.open(":", "open " + loc,
> liberator.modes.EX); break;
> +        case "O": liberator.commandline.open(":", "open " + loc, modes.EX);
> break;
>         case "t": chh.openHint(liberator.NEW_TAB); break;
>         case "b": chh.openHint(liberator.NEW_BACKGROUND_TAB); break;
> -        case "T": liberator.commandline.open(":", "tabopen " + loc,
> liberator.modes.EX); break;
> +        case "T": liberator.commandline.open(":", "tabopen " + loc,
> modes.EX); break;
>         case "w": chh.openHint(liberator.NEW_WINDOW);  break;
> -        case "W": liberator.commandline.open(":", "winopen " + loc,
> liberator.modes.EX); break;
> +        case "W": liberator.commandline.open(":", "winopen " + loc,
> modes.EX); break;
>         case "y": chh.yankHint(false); break;
>         case "Y": chh.yankHint(true); break;
>         default:
> @@ -491,7 +491,7 @@
>     var timeout = followFirst ? 0 : 500;
>     chh.removeHints(timeout);
>
> -    if (liberator.modes.extended & liberator.modes.ALWAYS_HINT)
> +    if (modes.extended & modes.ALWAYS_HINT)
>     {
>         setTimeout(function () {
>                 chh.canUpdate = true;
> @@ -502,19 +502,19 @@
>     }
>     else
>     {
> -        if (timeout == 0 || liberator.modes.isReplaying)
> +        if (timeout == 0 || modes.isReplaying)
>         {
>             // force a possible mode change, based on wheter an input field
> has focus
>             liberator.events.onFocusChange();
> -            if (liberator.mode == liberator.modes.CUSTOM)
> -                liberator.modes.reset(false);
> +            if (liberator.mode == modes.CUSTOM)
> +                modes.reset(false);
>         }
>         else
>         {
> -            liberator.modes.add(liberator.modes.INACTIVE_HINT);
> +            modes.add(modes.INACTIVE_HINT);
>             setTimeout(function () {
> -                    if (liberator.mode == liberator.modes.CUSTOM)
> -                    liberator.modes.reset(false);
> +                    if (liberator.mode == modes.CUSTOM)
> +                    modes.reset(false);
>                     }, timeout);
>         }
>     }
> @@ -525,13 +525,13 @@
>  // TODO: implement framesets
>  chh.show = function (mode, minor, filter)//{{{
>  {
> -    if (mode == liberator.modes.EXTENDED_HINT &&
> !/^[;asoOtbTwWyY]$/.test(minor))
> +    if (mode == modes.EXTENDED_HINT && !/^[;asoOtbTwWyY]$/.test(minor))
>     {
>         liberator.beep();
>         return;
>     }
>
> -    liberator.modes.set(liberator.modes.CUSTOM, mode);
> +    modes.set(modes.CUSTOM, mode);
>     chh.submode = minor || "o"; // open is the default mode
>     chh.hintString = filter || "";
>     chh.hintNumber = 0;
> @@ -550,7 +550,7 @@
>     if (chh.validHints.length == 0)
>     {
>         liberator.beep();
> -        liberator.modes.reset();
> +        modes.reset();
>         return false;
>     }
>     else if (chh.validHints.length == 1)
> @@ -637,8 +637,8 @@
>             {
>                 //FIXME: won't work probably
>                 var map = null;
> -                if ((map = liberator.mappings.get(liberator.modes.NORMAL,
> key)) ||
> -                     (map = liberator.mappings.get(liberator.modes.CUSTOM,
> key))) //TODO
> +                if ((map = mappings.get(modes.NORMAL, key)) ||
> +                     (map = mappings.get(modes.CUSTOM, key))) //TODO
>                 {
>                     map.execute(null, -1);
>                     return;
> @@ -704,28 +704,28 @@
>
>  // <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< registering/setting up this plugin
>
> -liberator.modes.setCustomMode ("CHAR-HINTS",
> liberator.plugins.charhints.onEvent,
> -                                liberator.plugins.charhints.hide);
> +modes.setCustomMode ("CHAR-HINTS", liberator.plugins.charhints.onEvent,
> +                                liberator.plugins.charhints.hide);
>
> -liberator.mappings.addUserMap([liberator.modes.NORMAL], [chh.mapNormal],
> +mappings.addUserMap([modes.NORMAL], [chh.mapNormal],
>         "Start Custum-QuickHint mode",
> -        function () {
> liberator.plugins.charhints.show(liberator.modes.QUICK_HINT);});
> +        function () {
> liberator.plugins.charhints.show(modes.QUICK_HINT);});
>
> -liberator.mappings.addUserMap([liberator.modes.NORMAL],
> [chh.mapNormalNewTab],
> +mappings.addUserMap([modes.NORMAL], [chh.mapNormalNewTab],
>         "Start Custum-QuickHint mode, but open link in a new tab",
> -        function () {
> liberator.plugins.charhints.show(liberator.modes.QUICK_HINT, "t");});
> +        function () { liberator.plugins.charhints.show(modes.QUICK_HINT,
> "t");});
>
> -liberator.mappings.addUserMap([liberator.modes.NORMAL], [chh.mapExtended],
> +mappings.addUserMap([modes.NORMAL], [chh.mapExtended],
>         "Start an extended hint mode",
>         function (arg)
>         {
>             if (arg == "f")
> -
>  liberator.plugins.charhints.show(liberator.modes.ALWAYS_HINT, "o");
> +                liberator.plugins.charhints.show(modes.ALWAYS_HINT, "o");
>             else if (arg == "F")
> -
>  liberator.plugins.charhints.show(liberator.modes.ALWAYS_HINT, "t");
> +                liberator.plugins.charhints.show(modes.ALWAYS_HINT, "t");
>             else
> -
>  liberator.plugins.charhints.show(liberator.modes.EXTENDED_HINT, arg);
> +                liberator.plugins.charhints.show(modes.EXTENDED_HINT, arg);
>         },
> -        { flags: liberator.Mappings.flags.ARGUMENT });
> +        { flags: Mappings.flags.ARGUMENT });
>
>  // vim: set fdm=marker sw=4 ts=4 et:
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 02:07:42 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:07:42 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug in modes.js... and MORE?
In-Reply-To: <4920BABB.8030507@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4920BABB.8030507@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <aa5421130811170207j22be9d7apca6cefd6575b3304@mail.gmail.com>

I second that we should make char-hints work again.

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 01:28, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
> Vimp devs --
>
>        In trying to resurrent char-hints.js to work with Vimperator CVS, I
> noticed that the function:
>
> modes.setCustomMode( ..., ..., ... )
>
> does not appear to be running correctly. After making all of the quick fixes
> to char-hints.js (e.g., changing liberator.blah to blah), I kept getting
> this weird error about "plugins" not being defined on a line in
> char-hints.js where plugins wasn't even mentioned. It turns out the line
> number it was referring to was the line number in modes.js where
> setCustomMode is defined. **IT** calls:
>
>        plugins.mode = modestr;
>        plugins.onEvent = oneventfunc;
>        plugins.stop = stopfunc;
>
> I'm not SURE (i.e., I have no clue), but I *think* these should be
> "liberator.plugins...." instead of just "plugins." That *fixes* the error
> but appears to break a lot after the "fixed" char-hints.js is sourced.
>
>        So there are **TWO** problems here:
>
> 1.) modes.js does not seem to have a "working" setCustomMode (or at least it
> doesn't work like it used to)
>
> 2.) Vimperator is TELLING me that char-hints.js has an error on a line of
> modes.js. That is, it *SHOULD* be telling me that the error is in modes.js
> (and maybe tell me that modes.js is getting called from char-hints.js)
>
>        Thoughts?
>        --Ted
>
> --
> Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Nov 17 06:17:30 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:17:30 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Feature request? Show status line in full screen mode?
Message-ID: <49217CFA.6010708@tedpavlic.com>

Vimp devs --

	Right now, fullscreen gets rid of the status line.

	It would be nice to have an option that leaves the status line *on* 
during full screen mode.

	Or is there a way to do this already?

	Thanks --
	Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From chm.duquesne at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 06:47:40 2008
From: chm.duquesne at gmail.com (Christophe-Marie Duquesne)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:47:40 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Feature request? Show status line in full screen
 mode?
In-Reply-To: <49217CFA.6010708@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49217CFA.6010708@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <4921840C.9010508@gmail.com>

seconded!

Ted Pavlic wrote:
> Vimp devs --
>
>     Right now, fullscreen gets rid of the status line.
>
>     It would be nice to have an option that leaves the status line 
> *on* during full screen mode.
>
>     Or is there a way to do this already?
>
>     Thanks --
>     Ted
>


From dpb at driftaway.org  Mon Nov 17 06:58:55 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:58:55 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Feature request? Show status line in full screen
	mode?
In-Reply-To: <49217CFA.6010708@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49217CFA.6010708@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <dd9711230811170658h3c258152kca60b44db13071f1@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/17 Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>:
> Vimp devs --
>
>        Right now, fullscreen gets rid of the status line.
>
>        It would be nice to have an option that leaves the status line *on*
> during full screen mode.
>
>        Or is there a way to do this already?
>
>        Thanks --
>        Ted

Feature requests can (and should) be added to the website. :)

--
Daniel

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 07:07:50 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:07:50 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Feature request? Show status line in full screen
	mode?
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230811170658h3c258152kca60b44db13071f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49217CFA.6010708@tedpavlic.com>
	<dd9711230811170658h3c258152kca60b44db13071f1@mail.gmail.com>
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yeah, if it got supported would be cool(esp. with a setting option to
let the user make the choice). although I normally disabled the status
line/tabbar completely. :D

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 15:58, Daniel Bainton <dpb at driftaway.org> wrote:
> 2008/11/17 Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>:
>> Vimp devs --
>>
>>        Right now, fullscreen gets rid of the status line.
>>
>>        It would be nice to have an option that leaves the status line *on*
>> during full screen mode.
>>
>>        Or is there a way to do this already?
>>
>>        Thanks --
>>        Ted
>
> Feature requests can (and should) be added to the website. :)
>
> --
> Daniel
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Nov 17 07:12:35 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:12:35 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Feature request? Show status line in full screen
 mode?
In-Reply-To: <dd9711230811170658h3c258152kca60b44db13071f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49217CFA.6010708@tedpavlic.com>
	<dd9711230811170658h3c258152kca60b44db13071f1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492189E3.4070600@tedpavlic.com>

OK!

http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/45

> 
> Feature requests can (and should) be added to the website. :)
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Nov 17 07:15:23 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:15:23 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Bug in modes.js... and MORE?
In-Reply-To: <4920BABB.8030507@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4920BABB.8030507@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49218A8B.2010500@tedpavlic.com>

Now a bug on the website:

http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/46

Ted Pavlic wrote:
> Vimp devs --
> 
> 	In trying to resurrent char-hints.js to work with Vimperator CVS, I 
> noticed that the function:
...

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 08:21:44 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:21:44 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator events triggering issues for gmail/greader,
	embedded pdf with acroread 8.1.3
Message-ID: <aa5421130811170821g3d179fai82d4ac322b1375be@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Everyone,

I am currently using latest git version vimperator, and encounter two
headache problems.

Situation 1) using google apps in pass through mode

c^z put gmail in pass through mode, so that i can use those gmail
specified keyboard shortcuts, like '* then a', but every time that I
can do it successfully, means I have to use mouse to click somewhere
on the white space around the border, and almost each actions i do, I
have to repeat the white space click trick.

Situation: 2) reading pdf with acroread inside firefox
open a pdf link on a webpage in firefox, firefox triggered embedded
acroread so that we can read that pdf directly inside browser, right
now I want to use c^n or c^p to switch to other tabs, but vimperator
fail to recognize this event, and which can only make it happen is
that, I have to point the mouse to status line with one single click,
then c^n, c^p works again.

I want to ask here if someone else had the same issues with me, and
are there any ways to solve these.

Thx in Advance.

SeeN

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Nov 17 08:59:51 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:59:51 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] INSERT (menu) -- Vimp navigation?
In-Reply-To: <491D8588.8080105@tedpavlic.com>
References: <491D8588.8080105@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <4921A307.3080905@tedpavlic.com>

Now an official feature request:

http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/47

Ted Pavlic wrote:
> When Vimperator goes into "INSERT (menu)" mode (e.g., when typing in a 
> text box and Firefox drops a list of possible completions), is there any 
> way to navigate the menu using Vimp commands?
> 
> That is, right now I have to go over and use my cursor keys. I can't use 
> hjkl because I'm in insert mode. Hitting escape doesn't help either.
> 
> Is there a solution? How do I Vimmy-navigate the insert menu?
> 
> Thanks --
> Ted
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 09:59:13 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:59:13 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator latest git bookmarks.js hang my firefox
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References: <aa5421130811161539o717aff8i38ee5b6b79b2562a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4920B2E5.6050206@tedpavlic.com>
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On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:57 AM, Martin Stubenschrott
<maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
>>>> Script: chrome://liberator/content/bookmarks.js:578
>
> It's the same problem of having a slow Struct class. I just fixed it
> for history a few days ago, but not yet for bookmarks.
> So i guess you'll only see this problem if you have hundreds or
> thousands of bookmarks.

I'm afraid you're wrong. It's actually the same problem that you
didn't fix by removing the Struct class. Look at the line number.

> I'll fix it by not using Struct for bookmarks (and Styles) when I have
> time, unless Kris has an idea why Struct is slow and how it could be
> fixed.
> I tried for an hour or so, but just couldn't get it up to the speed of
> raw objects/arrays.

I really don't think this is a problem. It takes about 1.5 seconds for
me to instantiate 10,000 Structs, without JIT. Highlighting uses about
30, which shouldn't take a significant amount of time on any machine.
I think you're running into another problem here. Even if the Struct
class were that slow, it's nowhere near slow enough to cause an
"Unresponsive script" error.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Nov 17 10:07:24 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:07:24 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator latest git bookmarks.js hang my firefox
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100811170057k2e40f0b5m9603429264be5fd8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa5421130811161539o717aff8i38ee5b6b79b2562a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4920B2E5.6050206@tedpavlic.com>
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	<aaae92100811170057k2e40f0b5m9603429264be5fd8@mail.gmail.com>
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> It's the same problem of having a slow Struct class. I just fixed it
> for history a few days ago, but not yet for bookmarks.
> So i guess you'll only see this problem if you have hundreds or
> thousands of bookmarks.

Keep in mind that many of us are using the Delicious Bookmarks plugin, 
which basically extends all of our bookmarks to all of our del.icio.us 
tagged pages.

So it's very possible to have a HUGE number of bookmarks.

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 10:14:49 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:14:49 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator events triggering issues for
	gmail/greader, embedded pdf with acroread 8.1.3
In-Reply-To: <aa5421130811170821g3d179fai82d4ac322b1375be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa5421130811170821g3d179fai82d4ac322b1375be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a48155040811171014s3ac864cfu4a4cdb87b06701b@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Ye Xu <ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com> wrote:
> Situation 1) using google apps in pass through mode

The problem is that Gmail uses iframes extensively, and vimperator
tends to focus the toplevel frame too often for comfort.

> Situation: 2) reading pdf with acroread inside firefox

It's not possible, due to the way that Gecko handles keyboard input
when plugins are involved. It's been in bugzilla for years now, and is
probably never going to be fixed.

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 10:16:01 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:16:01 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator latest git bookmarks.js hang my firefox
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On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
> Keep in mind that many of us are using the Delicious Bookmarks plugin, which
> basically extends all of our bookmarks to all of our del.icio.us tagged
> pages.

Well, then, many of you might be said to be very silly. Even so, this
has nothing to do with bookmarks. The line number is in the history
cache, not the bookmarks cache.

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 10:16:53 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:16:53 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Can I chang the height of status line?
In-Reply-To: <54c73a3d0811161727y3ca2f49es55999c7c9c2f2680@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54c73a3d0811161727y3ca2f49es55999c7c9c2f2680@mail.gmail.com>
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:help :highlight

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Mon Nov 17 10:29:12 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:29:12 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator latest git bookmarks.js hang my firefox
In-Reply-To: <aa5421130811161539o717aff8i38ee5b6b79b2562a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa5421130811161539o717aff8i38ee5b6b79b2562a@mail.gmail.com>
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On 2008-11-17 00:39, Ye Xu wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I had just tried the latest git version, but everytime I start firefox,
> it will hang my browser for a few moment, and after that, it reports
> the following message with the dialog to let me stop the execution
> of the script.
> 
> Script: chrome://liberator/content/bookmarks.js:578
> 
> any ideas to correct this?


Can you tell me the numbers of:

1.) :echo bookmarks.get("").length
2.) :echo modules.history.get("").length                  // <- i'll have to find out, why history.get() doesn't work for me
3.) :time bookmarks.get("", "", true)

and also this, but i guess it is flawed, since cached:

4.) :time modules.history.get("")

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Mon Nov 17 10:44:40 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:44:40 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator latest git bookmarks.js hang my firefox
In-Reply-To: <a48155040811170959j297edd1dm61c3af119e36ddec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa5421130811161539o717aff8i38ee5b6b79b2562a@mail.gmail.com>	<4920B2E5.6050206@tedpavlic.com>	<aa5421130811161608n1d52b67fn63b75cc247a28235@mail.gmail.com>	<aaae92100811170057k2e40f0b5m9603429264be5fd8@mail.gmail.com>
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On 2008-11-17 18:59, Kris Maglione wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:57 AM, Martin Stubenschrott
> <maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
>>>>> Script: chrome://liberator/content/bookmarks.js:578
>>
>> It's the same problem of having a slow Struct class. I just fixed it
>> for history a few days ago, but not yet for bookmarks.
>> So i guess you'll only see this problem if you have hundreds or
>> thousands of bookmarks.
> 
> I'm afraid you're wrong. It's actually the same problem that you
> didn't fix by removing the Struct class. Look at the line number.

Mhm, yeah, should look at the lines as well, and not only the filename :(

>> I'll fix it by not using Struct for bookmarks (and Styles) when I have
>> time, unless Kris has an idea why Struct is slow and how it could be
>> fixed.
>> I tried for an hour or so, but just couldn't get it up to the speed of
>> raw objects/arrays.
> 
> I really don't think this is a problem. It takes about 1.5 seconds for
> me to instantiate 10,000 Structs, without JIT. Highlighting uses about
> 30, which shouldn't take a significant amount of time on any machine.
> I think you're running into another problem here. Even if the Struct
> class were that slow, it's nowhere near slow enough to cause an
> "Unresponsive script" error.


I am afraid, you are right ;)

For my 400 bookmarks, 

:time bookmarks.get("", "", true)

takes about 0.62ms with 

return bookmarks.push(new Bookmark(node.uri, node.title, null, keyword, tags, node.itemId));

in loadBookmark, and 0.52ms with:

return bookmarks.push({url: node.uri, title: node.title, icon: null, keyword: keyword, tags: tags, id: node.itemId});

So it's not the main speed problem, as with thousands of bookmarks, that function would still be very slow. So I think
the conclusion would be to:

a) use non Structs for Bookmarks/History cache. Even if it's "just" 20% faster, we get that without any real disadvantages and speed should always be a concern for vimperator, especially since it grows larger and larger.

b) We might keep using Structs for clarity when only very few (100 maximum, preferably less) objects are needed or we could try "specialized" classes like function Style(name, foo, extra) = ...; new Style(...) but need to performance-test that as well of course.

Out of interest, could you also run that :time command with these two ways to push bookmarks as you said using Structs was not slower for you?

--
Martin


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Nov 17 11:10:33 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:10:33 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator latest git bookmarks.js hang my firefox
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References: <aa5421130811161539o717aff8i38ee5b6b79b2562a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4921B7F8.5070905@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <4921C1A9.7050105@tedpavlic.com>

> Can you tell me the numbers of:

I'm not the original poster, but I also suffer from bookmarks.js 
unresponsive script errors...

> 1.) :echo bookmarks.get("").length 

3374

 > 2.) :echo modules.history.get("").length

15366

 > 3.) :time bookmarks.get("", "", true)

4.26 seconds (4.21 seconds when I ran it again)

> 4.) :time modules.history.get("") 

3 msec (3 msec again when I ran it again)


--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 11:28:57 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:28:57 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator latest git bookmarks.js hang my firefox
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On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Martin Stubenschrott
<maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
> a) use non Structs for Bookmarks/History cache. Even if it's "just" 20% faster, we get that without any real disadvantages and speed should always be a concern for vimperator, especially since it grows larger and larger.
>
> b) We might keep using Structs for clarity when only very few (100 maximum, preferably less) objects are needed or we could try "specialized" classes like function Style(name, foo, extra) = ...; new Style(...) but need to performance-test that as well of course.

Maybe we should just run the cache filling code in a separate thread?

I agree that speed should be a concern, but only when it becomes a
problem. "Premature optimization is the root of all evil." Which isn't
to say that we should write slow code, or code that would take ages to
speed up. I'm more apt to say that, when we see things slow down, we
should profile during startup, see where we're slow, and where we can
shave the most cycles.

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 11:32:20 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:32:20 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator latest git bookmarks.js hang my firefox
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On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
>> 3.) :time bookmarks.get("", "", true)
>
> 4.26 seconds (4.21 seconds when I ran it again)

This isn't very useful. Please try

:time storage["bookmark-cache"].load()

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Mon Nov 17 11:40:18 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:40:18 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator latest git bookmarks.js hang my firefox
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On 2008-11-17 20:28, Kris Maglione wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Martin Stubenschrott
> <maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
>> a) use non Structs for Bookmarks/History cache. Even if it's "just" 20% faster, we get that without any real disadvantages and speed should always be a concern for vimperator, especially since it grows larger and larger.
>>
>> b) We might keep using Structs for clarity when only very few (100 maximum, preferably less) objects are needed or we could try "specialized" classes like function Style(name, foo, extra) = ...; new Style(...) but need to performance-test that as well of course.
> 
> Maybe we should just run the cache filling code in a separate thread?

Wouldn't help much, that's a 4 sec function with no background activity, at startup with 100% CPU restoring sessions it's no wonder, people get that slow script prompt.

Actually i have postponed loading history for 15 sec, maybe that's why people see the error at that location.

I think, we really need to get rid off these caches altogether, or only create them on a :bmarks/:history and just drop the bh flags from 'complete' and switch to cpt=l altoghether but that needs some more polish.

> I agree that speed should be a concern, but only when it becomes a
> problem. "Premature optimization is the root of all evil." Which isn't
> to say that we should write slow code, or code that would take ages to
> speed up. I'm more apt to say that, when we see things slow down, we
> should profile during startup, see where we're slow, and where we can
> shave the most cycles.


Right, but in that case we HAVE a performance problem :)

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 11:59:47 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:59:47 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator latest git bookmarks.js hang my firefox
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	<4921C8A2.8060006@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <a48155040811171159t5062226id9881c8f58589a00@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Martin Stubenschrott
<maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
> Wouldn't help much, that's a 4 sec function with no background activity, at startup with 100% CPU restoring sessions it's no wonder, people get that slow script prompt.

I don't think background scripts trigger "Unresponsive script" errors.
Even if they do, they don't block the UI in the mean time, so it's a
net improvement.

> Actually i have postponed loading history for 15 sec, maybe that's why people see the error at that location.

I don't think so. It should be wherever the script is executing at the
time. Functions loaded with setTimeout are pushed into the event queue
and executed sequentially. In theory, that should actually preclude
any slowness in the bookmark cache from triggering an error in the
history cache.

> I think, we really need to get rid off these caches altogether, or only create them on a :bmarks/:history and just drop the bh flags from 'complete' and switch to cpt=l altoghether but that needs some more polish.

I generally agree, but I don't think we can get rid of the bookmarks
cache, at least for the sake of the :bmarks command, and for the sake
of keywords, in general. We treat bookmarks as a flat list, and
they're stored hierarchically, so we'd need to generate the cache
whenever someone used the command, or whenever we needed to look at
keywords, and thus have a 4 second delay again.

> Right, but in that case we HAVE a performance problem :)

Right, sorry. What I meant was that we have the performance problem
with or without Struct, and only in insane cases, where the definition
of insane varies from user to user. That said, I don't, of course,
think vimperator should barf when people have insane numbers of
bookmarks. I'm on the verge of dumping zsh because it starts pausing
just about everywhere (completion, startup, shutdown) when I set my
history length to 10,000 (and the code's an un-engineered, tangled
heap of garbage). Anyone feel like writing a new shell?

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Nov 17 12:00:13 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:00:13 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator latest git bookmarks.js hang my firefox
In-Reply-To: <a48155040811171132n249b0a17w90feb4c6271be14d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa5421130811161539o717aff8i38ee5b6b79b2562a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4921B7F8.5070905@vimperator.org> <4921C1A9.7050105@tedpavlic.com>
	<a48155040811171132n249b0a17w90feb4c6271be14d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4921CD4D.80308@tedpavlic.com>

>>> 3.) :time bookmarks.get("", "", true)
>> 4.26 seconds (4.21 seconds when I ran it again)
> 
> This isn't very useful. Please try
> 
> :time storage["bookmark-cache"].load()

After a "beach ball" (unresponsive Firefox indicator), I get:

Total time: 4.45 sec

If I run it again, another "beach ball" and:

Total time: 4.53 sec


Thanks --
Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 12:10:06 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:10:06 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] follow quick hints, patch
Message-ID: <d5baa8100811171210m7302b20ey115ffe763b2b623f@mail.gmail.com>

hi list

Some days ago, I posted a small code change after a discussion about
following quick hints only after return is pressed. Maybe it wasn't
smart to post the message in a dead thread ('follow quick hints').
That's why I repost it.


I have posted the modified code (that I recently extracted with git)
and the modified documentation file. Most likely this is not the way
to propose a change, but this is my first open source code change
ever. Hopefully you find it usable enough to include it in a next
release. I like the change very much myself.

I hope someone can review my change in the documentation (see my post
in the follow quick hints thread) for I know it lacks clarity...

regards, Ruud

On 16/11/2008, ruud grosmann <r.grosmann at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/11/2008, Daniel Bainton <dpb at driftaway.org> wrote:
>
>> Patches are always welcome, if you want to add the feature. (Or
>> someone else.) ;)
>>
>> --
>> Daniel
>
> Hello Daniel,
>
> it appeared that the feature was not too difficult too implement. I
> have added only few lines to hints.js and that is it. I have attached
> the result so that the vimperator developers can have a look if it is
> acceptable and if it fits in their ideas of the hint mechanism. If it
> is good enough, I would be very greatful if a developer can take it
> over at this point, because I am no git person and I do not have
> asciitext.
>
> Also did I attach the  modified help file, but now I need the help of
> other people of the list. I know my English is terrible. So if anyone
> can improve it, please post the improved text.
>
> I added an option, hintreturnmode or hrm. The description in the
> attached helptext is:
> 0: default behaviour. Link is followed as soon as text uniquely
> identifies it. Return key follows tab selected (if any) or first link.
> 1:  like 0, but don't follow link automatically if text has uniquely
> identified it
> 2: like 1, but don't follow first link if there are more possibilities
>
> regards, Ruud
>

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Mon Nov 17 12:10:22 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:10:22 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator latest git bookmarks.js hang my firefox
In-Reply-To: <4921CD4D.80308@tedpavlic.com>
References: <aa5421130811161539o717aff8i38ee5b6b79b2562a@mail.gmail.com>	<4921B7F8.5070905@vimperator.org>
	<4921C1A9.7050105@tedpavlic.com>	<a48155040811171132n249b0a17w90feb4c6271be14d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4921CD4D.80308@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <4921CFAE.90803@vimperator.org>

On 2008-11-17 21:00, Ted Pavlic wrote:

>>>> 3.) :time bookmarks.get("", "", true)
>>> 4.26 seconds (4.21 seconds when I ran it again)
>> 
>> This isn't very useful. Please try
>> 
>> :time storage["bookmark-cache"].load()
> 
> After a "beach ball" (unresponsive Firefox indicator), I get:
> 
> Total time: 4.45 sec
> 
> If I run it again, another "beach ball" and:
> 
> Total time: 4.53 sec


Can you try the same command (or :time bookmarks.get("", "", true) with the vimperator version which worked for you?

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Mon Nov 17 12:12:44 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:12:44 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] follow quick hints, patch
In-Reply-To: <d5baa8100811171210m7302b20ey115ffe763b2b623f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5baa8100811171210m7302b20ey115ffe763b2b623f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4921D03C.7080506@vimperator.org>

On 2008-11-17 21:10, ruud grosmann wrote:

> hi list
> 
> Some days ago, I posted a small code change after a discussion about
> following quick hints only after return is pressed. Maybe it wasn't
> smart to post the message in a dead thread ('follow quick hints').
> That's why I repost it.
> 
> 
> I have posted the modified code (that I recently extracted with git)
> and the modified documentation file. Most likely this is not the way
> to propose a change, but this is my first open source code change
> ever. Hopefully you find it usable enough to include it in a next
> release. I like the change very much myself.
> 
> I hope someone can review my change in the documentation (see my post
> in the follow quick hints thread) for I know it lacks clarity...
> 
> regards, Ruud


You forgot to attach the files ;)

Actually i saw the "patch", but since it wasn't a patch, but just the whole files, i skipped them ;)

Could you please do a:

cvs diff -u > hints.patch


and then send me the hints.patch?

Then I can review.
--
Martin

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 12:25:15 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:25:15 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator latest git bookmarks.js hang my firefox
In-Reply-To: <4921C8A2.8060006@vimperator.org>
References: <aa5421130811161539o717aff8i38ee5b6b79b2562a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4920B2E5.6050206@tedpavlic.com>
	<aa5421130811161608n1d52b67fn63b75cc247a28235@mail.gmail.com>
	<aaae92100811170057k2e40f0b5m9603429264be5fd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811170959j297edd1dm61c3af119e36ddec@mail.gmail.com>
	<4921BB98.8010105@vimperator.org>
	<a48155040811171128h36574ddqd971b9d96514d4b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4921C8A2.8060006@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <a48155040811171225t6a79e19aw3179a3c11726d392@mail.gmail.com>

I moved bookmark/history pre-loading to background threads.
Unfortunately, it's imperfect at best. It'll work fine, on the sole
condition that you don't try to use them for some 15 seconds after
startup (which means, autocompletion ? bad).

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Nov 17 13:17:57 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:17:57 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator latest git bookmarks.js hang my firefox
In-Reply-To: <4921CFAE.90803@vimperator.org>
References: <aa5421130811161539o717aff8i38ee5b6b79b2562a@mail.gmail.com>	<4921B7F8.5070905@vimperator.org>
	<4921C1A9.7050105@tedpavlic.com>	<a48155040811171132n249b0a17w90feb4c6271be14d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4921CD4D.80308@tedpavlic.com> <4921CFAE.90803@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <4921DF85.9070200@tedpavlic.com>

 > Can you try the same command (or :time bookmarks.get("", "", true)
 > with the vimperator version which worked for you?

Sure. I'll try both. See below.


>>>>> 3.) :time bookmarks.get("", "", true)
>>>> 4.26 seconds (4.21 seconds when I ran it again)

With the version that doesn't give me unresponsive script errors...

Total time: 5.80 sec (after a long pause and a quick beachball)

Second try:

Total time: 5.95 sec (after a long pause and a beachball)


>>> :time storage["bookmark-cache"].load()
>> After a "beach ball" (unresponsive Firefox indicator), I get:
>> 
>> Total time: 4.45 sec
>> 
>> If I run it again, another "beach ball" and:
>> 
>> Total time: 4.53 sec

Total time: 5.89 sec (after a long pause and a beachball)

Second try:

Total time: 5.92 sec (after a long pause and a quick beachball)



-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 14:22:34 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:22:34 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator events triggering issues for
	gmail/greader, embedded pdf with acroread 8.1.3
In-Reply-To: <a48155040811171014s3ac864cfu4a4cdb87b06701b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa5421130811170821g3d179fai82d4ac322b1375be@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811171014s3ac864cfu4a4cdb87b06701b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa5421130811171422j1101ee40l97acb101ebc8383d@mail.gmail.com>

thanks kris.

for the problem 2, it is clear. but for problem 1, is it possible to fix?

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 19:14, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Ye Xu <ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Situation 1) using google apps in pass through mode
>
> The problem is that Gmail uses iframes extensively, and vimperator
> tends to focus the toplevel frame too often for comfort.
>
>> Situation: 2) reading pdf with acroread inside firefox
>
> It's not possible, due to the way that Gecko handles keyboard input
> when plugins are involved. It's been in bugzilla for years now, and is
> probably never going to be fixed.
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 15:02:18 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:02:18 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator events triggering issues for
	gmail/greader, embedded pdf with acroread 8.1.3
In-Reply-To: <aa5421130811171422j1101ee40l97acb101ebc8383d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa5421130811170821g3d179fai82d4ac322b1375be@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811171014s3ac864cfu4a4cdb87b06701b@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa5421130811171422j1101ee40l97acb101ebc8383d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a48155040811171502o315fa7a2nbdfc1a3246fed779@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Ye Xu <ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com> wrote:
> for the problem 2, it is clear. but for problem 1, is it possible to fix?

Yes, it's possible to fix. Well, really, we should probably just focus
the active frame instead of the top-level frame when entering NORMAL
mode. There are a few hacks floating around. I'm not sure if gvimail
still works, but:

http://code.google.com/p/gvimail/

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Mon Nov 17 15:12:39 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:12:39 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator events triggering issues for
 gmail/greader, embedded pdf with acroread 8.1.3
In-Reply-To: <a48155040811171502o315fa7a2nbdfc1a3246fed779@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa5421130811170821g3d179fai82d4ac322b1375be@mail.gmail.com>	<a48155040811171014s3ac864cfu4a4cdb87b06701b@mail.gmail.com>	<aa5421130811171422j1101ee40l97acb101ebc8383d@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811171502o315fa7a2nbdfc1a3246fed779@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4921FA67.2060205@vimperator.org>

On 2008-11-18 00:02, Kris Maglione wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Ye Xu <ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> for the problem 2, it is clear. but for problem 1, is it possible to fix?
> 
> Yes, it's possible to fix. Well, really, we should probably just focus
> the active frame instead of the top-level frame when entering NORMAL
> mode. There are a few hacks floating around. I'm not sure if gvimail
> still works, but:


Where is the code focus the first frame?

We just try to scroll the first frame which is scrollable when pressing j/k/gg/etc.
I always hated it, that i couldn't arrow keys on nearly all page with frames, but i
don't remember any code where we actually focus the FIRST frame.

--
Martin

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 15:16:09 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:16:09 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator events triggering issues for
	gmail/greader, embedded pdf with acroread 8.1.3
In-Reply-To: <a48155040811171502o315fa7a2nbdfc1a3246fed779@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa5421130811170821g3d179fai82d4ac322b1375be@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811171014s3ac864cfu4a4cdb87b06701b@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa5421130811171422j1101ee40l97acb101ebc8383d@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811171502o315fa7a2nbdfc1a3246fed779@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa5421130811171516t5473a701ne04d9641548f8be1@mail.gmail.com>

I had just check out the gvimail from the svn repo, due to the changes made
in vimperator, like other plugins e.g char-hints, it won't work anymore.


On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 00:02, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Ye Xu <ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> for the problem 2, it is clear. but for problem 1, is it possible to fix?
>
> Yes, it's possible to fix. Well, really, we should probably just focus
> the active frame instead of the top-level frame when entering NORMAL
> mode. There are a few hacks floating around. I'm not sure if gvimail
> still works, but:
>
> http://code.google.com/p/gvimail/
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 15:28:25 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:28:25 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator events triggering issues for
	gmail/greader, embedded pdf with acroread 8.1.3
In-Reply-To: <4921FA67.2060205@vimperator.org>
References: <aa5421130811170821g3d179fai82d4ac322b1375be@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811171014s3ac864cfu4a4cdb87b06701b@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa5421130811171422j1101ee40l97acb101ebc8383d@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811171502o315fa7a2nbdfc1a3246fed779@mail.gmail.com>
	<4921FA67.2060205@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <a48155040811171528m45b02158g1123030c00a2300e@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Martin Stubenschrott
<maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
> We just try to scroll the first frame which is scrollable when pressing j/k/gg/etc.
> I always hated it, that i couldn't arrow keys on nearly all page with frames, but i
> don't remember any code where we actually focus the FIRST frame.

liberator.focusContent. It focuses window.content, which takes the
focus from whatever iframe happens to have focus.

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Mon Nov 17 15:30:24 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:30:24 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator events triggering issues for
 gmail/greader, embedded pdf with acroread 8.1.3
In-Reply-To: <a48155040811171528m45b02158g1123030c00a2300e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa5421130811170821g3d179fai82d4ac322b1375be@mail.gmail.com>	<a48155040811171014s3ac864cfu4a4cdb87b06701b@mail.gmail.com>	<aa5421130811171422j1101ee40l97acb101ebc8383d@mail.gmail.com>	<a48155040811171502o315fa7a2nbdfc1a3246fed779@mail.gmail.com>	<4921FA67.2060205@vimperator.org>
	<a48155040811171528m45b02158g1123030c00a2300e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4921FE90.8070504@vimperator.org>

On 2008-11-18 00:28, Kris Maglione wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Martin Stubenschrott
> <maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
>> We just try to scroll the first frame which is scrollable when pressing j/k/gg/etc.
>> I always hated it, that i couldn't arrow keys on nearly all page with frames, but i
>> don't remember any code where we actually focus the FIRST frame.
> 
> liberator.focusContent. It focuses window.content, which takes the
> focus from whatever iframe happens to have focus.


Oh ok, my fault. Actually this code is just that if you have e.g. the tab bar
focused, you focus the content. But we might try to refocus the active frame again.

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 16:01:58 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:01:58 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Script to automatically update older plugins
Message-ID: <a48155040811171601x34b15272ufeb33458756b04a8@mail.gmail.com>

Attached is a script to automatically update old plugins. All it does
is remove "liberator." where appropriate. To automatically update a
group of files, do something like:

for f in *.js; do
    ./fix-liberator.pl <$f >$f.new
    mv $f.new $f
done
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From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 16:24:16 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:24:16 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Script to automatically update older plugins
In-Reply-To: <a48155040811171601x34b15272ufeb33458756b04a8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a48155040811171601x34b15272ufeb33458756b04a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa5421130811171624p4f2ff255u58a1945e3ba4ed9@mail.gmail.com>

I had tried the same thing yesterday, due to some changes/issues in
current vimperator code,
 some plugins like char-hints won't work, even you remove the liberate
prefix name.
I think we shall wait for the liberate library to have a stable state,
then we can take a closer look to
fix the plugins out there.

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 01:01, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:
> Attached is a script to automatically update old plugins. All it does
> is remove "liberator." where appropriate. To automatically update a
> group of files, do something like:
>
> for f in *.js; do
>    ./fix-liberator.pl <$f >$f.new
>    mv $f.new $f
> done
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 17:17:09 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:17:09 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Script to automatically update older plugins
In-Reply-To: <aa5421130811171624p4f2ff255u58a1945e3ba4ed9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a48155040811171601x34b15272ufeb33458756b04a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa5421130811171624p4f2ff255u58a1945e3ba4ed9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a48155040811171717i20dd177cv4e79b6eea67fe68b@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Ye Xu <ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think we shall wait for the liberate library to have a stable state,
> then we can take a closer look to fix the plugins out there.

That's not the point.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Nov 17 19:54:25 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:54:25 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Script to automatically update older plugins
In-Reply-To: <aa5421130811171624p4f2ff255u58a1945e3ba4ed9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a48155040811171601x34b15272ufeb33458756b04a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa5421130811171624p4f2ff255u58a1945e3ba4ed9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49223C71.8060800@tedpavlic.com>

The char-hints.js problem is unique.

In general, all major problems with plugins that USED to work in 1.2 
will be fixed by Kris' script. Additionally, all future plugins *must* 
comply with the new convention. There is NO REASON to avoid applying 
that script.

> I had tried the same thing yesterday, due to some changes/issues in
> current vimperator code,
>  some plugins like char-hints won't work, even you remove the liberate
> prefix name.
> I think we shall wait for the liberate library to have a stable state,
> then we can take a closer look to
> fix the plugins out there.



-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From amolj.1306 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 20:27:25 2008
From: amolj.1306 at gmail.com (Amol Jadhav)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:57:25 +0530
Subject: [Vimperator] Input boxes
Message-ID: <76eccaa60811172027i64eb0bbeqb87fd79625bf668d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Like quick hints can we quickly set focus to particular input box (or any
other control)? I'm quite lazy to go and hold my mouse to modify search
query in google (of course, we can always :open it directly but cannot edit
existing query).

Thanks,
Amol
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From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Tue Nov 18 00:18:57 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:18:57 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Input boxes
In-Reply-To: <76eccaa60811172027i64eb0bbeqb87fd79625bf668d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76eccaa60811172027i64eb0bbeqb87fd79625bf668d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49227A71.6000206@vimperator.org>

On 2008-11-18 05:27, Amol Jadhav wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Like quick hints can we quickly set focus to particular input box (or
> any other control)? I'm quite lazy to go and hold my mouse to modify
> search query in google (of course, we can always :open it directly but
> cannot edit existing query).


:help gi

From nemolivier at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 00:48:25 2008
From: nemolivier at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Olivier_Gu=C3=A9ry?=)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:48:25 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Input boxes
In-Reply-To: <49227A71.6000206@vimperator.org>
References: <76eccaa60811172027i64eb0bbeqb87fd79625bf668d@mail.gmail.com>
	<49227A71.6000206@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <5c2c86e70811180048n62b56c9cle19723d39c51c600@mail.gmail.com>

Speaking of this, the walk-imput plugin by  Takayama Fumihiko was
realy usefull, last time I tried it with last git, it don't work.

Olivier.

2008/11/18 Martin Stubenschrott <maxauthority at vimperator.org>:
> On 2008-11-18 05:27, Amol Jadhav wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Like quick hints can we quickly set focus to particular input box (or
>> any other control)? I'm quite lazy to go and hold my mouse to modify
>> search query in google (of course, we can always :open it directly but
>> cannot edit existing query).
>
>
> :help gi
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>



-- 
[Message tap? sur un clavier B?po : http://www.clavier-dvorak.org ]
http://nemolivier.blogspot.com

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 01:39:34 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:39:34 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Script to automatically update older plugins
In-Reply-To: <a48155040811171717i20dd177cv4e79b6eea67fe68b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a48155040811171601x34b15272ufeb33458756b04a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa5421130811171624p4f2ff255u58a1945e3ba4ed9@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811171717i20dd177cv4e79b6eea67fe68b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa5421130811180139g7cce32d3le3edfd3cede4af7@mail.gmail.com>

sorry, I am misunderstood.


thx.

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:17, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Ye Xu <ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think we shall wait for the liberate library to have a stable state,
>> then we can take a closer look to fix the plugins out there.
>
> That's not the point.
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 01:45:39 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:45:39 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Script to automatically update older plugins
In-Reply-To: <49223C71.8060800@tedpavlic.com>
References: <a48155040811171601x34b15272ufeb33458756b04a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa5421130811171624p4f2ff255u58a1945e3ba4ed9@mail.gmail.com>
	<49223C71.8060800@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <aa5421130811180145y54da9fb6qe3a6a05801524ad5@mail.gmail.com>

just tried kris's script with gvimail.js, but it still won't work with
the latest vimperator.

it reports with: TypeError: vimperator.config is undefined.

so that script shall replace this vimperator, too?

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 04:54, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
> The char-hints.js problem is unique.
>
> In general, all major problems with plugins that USED to work in 1.2 will be
> fixed by Kris' script. Additionally, all future plugins *must* comply with
> the new convention. There is NO REASON to avoid applying that script.
>
>> I had tried the same thing yesterday, due to some changes/issues in
>> current vimperator code,
>>  some plugins like char-hints won't work, even you remove the liberate
>> prefix name.
>> I think we shall wait for the liberate library to have a stable state,
>> then we can take a closer look to
>> fix the plugins out there.
>
>
>
> --
> Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Tue Nov 18 01:47:03 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:47:03 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Script to automatically update older plugins
In-Reply-To: <aa5421130811180145y54da9fb6qe3a6a05801524ad5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a48155040811171601x34b15272ufeb33458756b04a8@mail.gmail.com>	<aa5421130811171624p4f2ff255u58a1945e3ba4ed9@mail.gmail.com>	<49223C71.8060800@tedpavlic.com>
	<aa5421130811180145y54da9fb6qe3a6a05801524ad5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49228F17.5050703@vimperator.org>

On 2008-11-18 10:45, Ye Xu wrote:

> just tried kris's script with gvimail.js, but it still won't work with
> the latest vimperator.
> 
> it reports with: TypeError: vimperator.config is undefined.
> 
> so that script shall replace this vimperator, too?


That script doesn't do that, as vimperator was replaced by "liberator" loooong
time ago, try "liberator.config".

From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 01:54:24 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:54:24 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] follow quick hints, patch
In-Reply-To: <4921D03C.7080506@vimperator.org>
References: <d5baa8100811171210m7302b20ey115ffe763b2b623f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4921D03C.7080506@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <d5baa8100811180154h25b14750pc871d95cca377e5c@mail.gmail.com>

hi Martin,

I have used git to obtain de source, not CVS. But I have the original
and the modified files. Is there an non-cvs command I can use to get
the desired output?

regards, Ruud

On 17/11/2008, Martin Stubenschrott <maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
> On 2008-11-17 21:10, ruud grosmann wrote:
>
>> hi list
>>
>> Some days ago, I posted a small code change after a discussion about
>> following quick hints only after return is pressed. Maybe it wasn't
>> smart to post the message in a dead thread ('follow quick hints').
>> That's why I repost it.
>>
>>
>> I have posted the modified code (that I recently extracted with git)
>> and the modified documentation file. Most likely this is not the way
>> to propose a change, but this is my first open source code change
>> ever. Hopefully you find it usable enough to include it in a next
>> release. I like the change very much myself.
>>
>> I hope someone can review my change in the documentation (see my post
>> in the follow quick hints thread) for I know it lacks clarity...
>>
>> regards, Ruud
>
>
> You forgot to attach the files ;)
>
> Actually i saw the "patch", but since it wasn't a patch, but just the whole
> files, i skipped them ;)
>
> Could you please do a:
>
> cvs diff -u > hints.patch
>
>
> and then send me the hints.patch?
>
> Then I can review.
> --
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Tue Nov 18 01:57:27 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:57:27 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] follow quick hints, patch
In-Reply-To: <d5baa8100811180154h25b14750pc871d95cca377e5c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5baa8100811171210m7302b20ey115ffe763b2b623f@mail.gmail.com>	<4921D03C.7080506@vimperator.org>
	<d5baa8100811180154h25b14750pc871d95cca377e5c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49229187.5030307@vimperator.org>

On 2008-11-18 10:54, ruud grosmann wrote:

> hi Martin,
> 
> I have used git to obtain de source, not CVS. But I have the original
> and the modified files. Is there an non-cvs command I can use to get
> the desired output?


diff -u > hints.patch    :)

If you are on windows, you might need to install "diff" (maybe via cygwin).

From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 02:02:03 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:02:03 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] follow quick hints, patch
In-Reply-To: <49229187.5030307@vimperator.org>
References: <d5baa8100811171210m7302b20ey115ffe763b2b623f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4921D03C.7080506@vimperator.org>
	<d5baa8100811180154h25b14750pc871d95cca377e5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<49229187.5030307@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <d5baa8100811180202q287927dnce821289047048e4@mail.gmail.com>

>
> diff -u > hints.patch    :)


here they are

Ruud
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From dpb at driftaway.org  Tue Nov 18 02:52:09 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:52:09 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] follow quick hints, patch
In-Reply-To: <49229187.5030307@vimperator.org>
References: <d5baa8100811171210m7302b20ey115ffe763b2b623f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4921D03C.7080506@vimperator.org>
	<d5baa8100811180154h25b14750pc871d95cca377e5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<49229187.5030307@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <dd9711230811180252p7638f7d8j98fa6e36bfc5a505@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/18 Martin Stubenschrott <maxauthority at vimperator.org>:
> On 2008-11-18 10:54, ruud grosmann wrote:
>
>> hi Martin,
>>
>> I have used git to obtain de source, not CVS. But I have the original
>> and the modified files. Is there an non-cvs command I can use to get
>> the desired output?
>
>
> diff -u > hints.patch    :)
>
> If you are on windows, you might need to install "diff" (maybe via cygwin).

Or just use git...

git diff > hints.patch

--
Daniel

From teramako at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 03:33:30 2008
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:33:30 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] Input boxes
In-Reply-To: <5c2c86e70811180048n62b56c9cle19723d39c51c600@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76eccaa60811172027i64eb0bbeqb87fd79625bf668d@mail.gmail.com>
	<49227A71.6000206@vimperator.org>
	<5c2c86e70811180048n62b56c9cle19723d39c51c600@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6eebba490811180333y7fc0d290na639f30d39ecf249@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Olivier

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Olivier Gu?ry <nemolivier at gmail.com> wrote:
> Speaking of this, the walk-imput plugin by  Takayama Fumihiko was
> realy usefull, last time I tried it with last git, it don't work.
>
Where are you get the plugin file ?
Probably it had been old.
The newest version is in
http://coderepos.org/share/browser/lang/javascript/vimperator-plugins/trunk/walk-input.js

But it's cannot focus to input or textarea in iframe

Best regards
---
teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 03:51:13 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:51:13 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Script to automatically update older plugins
In-Reply-To: <49228F17.5050703@vimperator.org>
References: <a48155040811171601x34b15272ufeb33458756b04a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa5421130811171624p4f2ff255u58a1945e3ba4ed9@mail.gmail.com>
	<49223C71.8060800@tedpavlic.com>
	<aa5421130811180145y54da9fb6qe3a6a05801524ad5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49228F17.5050703@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <aa5421130811180351r6dd3d5dam2d5b6f325779a83@mail.gmail.com>

in this case, I had replaced vimperator with liberator, but won't help. :(

also tried kris's script with walk-input.js, and the modified
walk-input massed up and disabled the "follow hints" event. click f/F
nothing happened.

PS:
do we have an official developer guide/doc for plugin development? I
had search around and don't find anything.

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:47, Martin Stubenschrott
<maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
> On 2008-11-18 10:45, Ye Xu wrote:
>
>> just tried kris's script with gvimail.js, but it still won't work with
>> the latest vimperator.
>>
>> it reports with: TypeError: vimperator.config is undefined.
>>
>> so that script shall replace this vimperator, too?
>
>
> That script doesn't do that, as vimperator was replaced by "liberator" loooong
> time ago, try "liberator.config".
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From mahefa.randimbisoa at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 03:52:50 2008
From: mahefa.randimbisoa at gmail.com (mahefa randimbisoa)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:52:50 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] Script to automatically update older plugins
In-Reply-To: <aa5421130811180351r6dd3d5dam2d5b6f325779a83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a48155040811171601x34b15272ufeb33458756b04a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa5421130811171624p4f2ff255u58a1945e3ba4ed9@mail.gmail.com>
	<49223C71.8060800@tedpavlic.com>
	<aa5421130811180145y54da9fb6qe3a6a05801524ad5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49228F17.5050703@vimperator.org>
	<aa5421130811180351r6dd3d5dam2d5b6f325779a83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ba1fac40811180352m58f81a9fn2e058d8fb346e7e9@mail.gmail.com>

For the gvimail plugin,
wait one second,
I'm committing a new version to googlecode.

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Tue Nov 18 03:54:31 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:54:31 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Script to automatically update older plugins
In-Reply-To: <aa5421130811180351r6dd3d5dam2d5b6f325779a83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a48155040811171601x34b15272ufeb33458756b04a8@mail.gmail.com>	<aa5421130811171624p4f2ff255u58a1945e3ba4ed9@mail.gmail.com>	<49223C71.8060800@tedpavlic.com>	<aa5421130811180145y54da9fb6qe3a6a05801524ad5@mail.gmail.com>	<49228F17.5050703@vimperator.org>
	<aa5421130811180351r6dd3d5dam2d5b6f325779a83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4922ACF7.8060101@vimperator.org>

> PS:

> do we have an official developer guide/doc for plugin development? I
> had search around and don't find anything.


Not yet unfortunatly, but it would be nice, if somebody could extend the
developer.txt file in src/locale/en-US/

--
Martin

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 04:00:46 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:00:46 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Script to automatically update older plugins
In-Reply-To: <2ba1fac40811180352m58f81a9fn2e058d8fb346e7e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a48155040811171601x34b15272ufeb33458756b04a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa5421130811171624p4f2ff255u58a1945e3ba4ed9@mail.gmail.com>
	<49223C71.8060800@tedpavlic.com>
	<aa5421130811180145y54da9fb6qe3a6a05801524ad5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49228F17.5050703@vimperator.org>
	<aa5421130811180351r6dd3d5dam2d5b6f325779a83@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ba1fac40811180352m58f81a9fn2e058d8fb346e7e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa5421130811180400o34901c1bs8ecbe05378f2b351@mail.gmail.com>

thx

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:52, mahefa randimbisoa
<mahefa.randimbisoa at gmail.com> wrote:
> For the gvimail plugin,
> wait one second,
> I'm committing a new version to googlecode.
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 04:05:20 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:05:20 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Script to automatically update older plugins
In-Reply-To: <aa5421130811180351r6dd3d5dam2d5b6f325779a83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a48155040811171601x34b15272ufeb33458756b04a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa5421130811171624p4f2ff255u58a1945e3ba4ed9@mail.gmail.com>
	<49223C71.8060800@tedpavlic.com>
	<aa5421130811180145y54da9fb6qe3a6a05801524ad5@mail.gmail.com>
	<49228F17.5050703@vimperator.org>
	<aa5421130811180351r6dd3d5dam2d5b6f325779a83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa5421130811180405m7e54a679ted6823eb8d36a788@mail.gmail.com>

sorry for misinform, this version walk-input I tried with kris's
script is an old version found from google, I had tried the one from
http://coderepos.org/share/browser/lang/javascript/vimperator-plugins/trunk/walk-input.js
there, it needs no extra modification, but just like M. Terada said in
other thread, it seems walk-input can't focus on some input field,
which wrapped in iframe.

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:51, Ye Xu <ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com> wrote:
> in this case, I had replaced vimperator with liberator, but won't help. :(
>
> also tried kris's script with walk-input.js, and the modified
> walk-input massed up and disabled the "follow hints" event. click f/F
> nothing happened.
>
> PS:
> do we have an official developer guide/doc for plugin development? I
> had search around and don't find anything.
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:47, Martin Stubenschrott
> <maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
>> On 2008-11-18 10:45, Ye Xu wrote:
>>
>>> just tried kris's script with gvimail.js, but it still won't work with
>>> the latest vimperator.
>>>
>>> it reports with: TypeError: vimperator.config is undefined.
>>>
>>> so that script shall replace this vimperator, too?
>>
>>
>> That script doesn't do that, as vimperator was replaced by "liberator" loooong
>> time ago, try "liberator.config".
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Tue Nov 18 05:37:57 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:37:57 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Input boxes
In-Reply-To: <5c2c86e70811180048n62b56c9cle19723d39c51c600@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76eccaa60811172027i64eb0bbeqb87fd79625bf668d@mail.gmail.com>
	<49227A71.6000206@vimperator.org>
	<5c2c86e70811180048n62b56c9cle19723d39c51c600@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4922C535.3040202@tedpavlic.com>

If it doesn't work, check out the Perl script attached to the thread

	"Script to automatically update older plugins"

It can be used to convert old plugins that are not compatible with the 
new plugin API of Vimp2.0.

--Ted

Olivier Gu?ry wrote:
> Speaking of this, the walk-imput plugin by  Takayama Fumihiko was
> realy usefull, last time I tried it with last git, it don't work.

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From mahefa.randimbisoa at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 05:48:38 2008
From: mahefa.randimbisoa at gmail.com (mahefa randimbisoa)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:48:38 +0300
Subject: [Vimperator] :sty usage
Message-ID: <2ba1fac40811180548p9e2d04do5cd65853f0a1e120@mail.gmail.com>

I used to use stylechanger.js to customize css for some websites.
Now, I see there is a command :sty built in vimperator, but I don't
manage to use it.

The help doesn't help me so much, what am I missing?

tried

:sty vimperator.org body { color: red;}
:sty vimperator.org mycustomvimperator.css
...

to no avail.

-- 
Mahefa

From nemolivier at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 05:48:59 2008
From: nemolivier at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Olivier_Gu=C3=A9ry?=)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:48:59 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Input boxes
In-Reply-To: <6eebba490811180333y7fc0d290na639f30d39ecf249@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76eccaa60811172027i64eb0bbeqb87fd79625bf668d@mail.gmail.com>
	<49227A71.6000206@vimperator.org>
	<5c2c86e70811180048n62b56c9cle19723d39c51c600@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811180333y7fc0d290na639f30d39ecf249@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c2c86e70811180548s33c1d274m95f21ac8b5a52d1f@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/18 M. Terada <teramako at gmail.com>:
> Hi, Olivier
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Olivier Gu?ry <nemolivier at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Speaking of this, the walk-imput plugin by  Takayama Fumihiko was
>> realy usefull, last time I tried it with last git, it don't work.
>>
> Where are you get the plugin file ?
> Probably it had been old.
> The newest version is in
> http://coderepos.org/share/browser/lang/javascript/vimperator-plugins/trunk/walk-input.js
>
> But it's cannot focus to input or textarea in iframe
>
> Best regards

Thank's? your ? feedSomekeys ? work great?
Why the plugins are not on the web-site ?

regards,
Olivier.

-- 
[Message tap? sur un clavier B?po : http://www.clavier-dvorak.org ]
http://nemolivier.blogspot.com

From amolj.1306 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 07:11:11 2008
From: amolj.1306 at gmail.com (Amol Jadhav)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:41:11 +0530
Subject: [Vimperator] Input boxes
In-Reply-To: <6eebba490811180333y7fc0d290na639f30d39ecf249@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76eccaa60811172027i64eb0bbeqb87fd79625bf668d@mail.gmail.com>
	<49227A71.6000206@vimperator.org>
	<5c2c86e70811180048n62b56c9cle19723d39c51c600@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811180333y7fc0d290na639f30d39ecf249@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76eccaa60811180711x1594e9a2x18705daecd08d723@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, this perfectly solves my problem

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 5:03 PM, M. Terada <teramako at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, Olivier
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Olivier Gu?ry <nemolivier at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Speaking of this, the walk-imput plugin by  Takayama Fumihiko was
> > realy usefull, last time I tried it with last git, it don't work.
> >
> Where are you get the plugin file ?
> Probably it had been old.
> The newest version is in
>
> http://coderepos.org/share/browser/lang/javascript/vimperator-plugins/trunk/walk-input.js
>
> But it's cannot focus to input or textarea in iframe
>
> Best regards
> ---
> teramako
> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
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From teramako at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 07:35:46 2008
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:35:46 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] :sty usage
In-Reply-To: <2ba1fac40811180548p9e2d04do5cd65853f0a1e120@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2ba1fac40811180548p9e2d04do5cd65853f0a1e120@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6eebba490811180735v44e0300bhdb40b0f508650396@mail.gmail.com>

Hi.

the file's extension has to be ".vimp", so please rename the file to foo.vimp
and then :source ~/.vimperator/colors/foo.vimp or :colorscheme foo

but colors directory is not read at vimpertor startup
if wants to read automatically, please puts the file into plugin directory.

> :sty vimperator.org mycustomvimperator.css
sty command cannot read files, it's wrong syntax

if you want to read css file, needs to use "source" command
and probably wrap the file's contents with
  @-moz-document domain("vimperator.org") {
    ....
  }
or otherwise
rename foo.vimp and rewrite
  style vimperator.org <<EOM
  ...
  EOM

Best regards.
----
teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/

From teramako at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 07:46:11 2008
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:46:11 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] Input boxes
In-Reply-To: <5c2c86e70811180548s33c1d274m95f21ac8b5a52d1f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76eccaa60811172027i64eb0bbeqb87fd79625bf668d@mail.gmail.com>
	<49227A71.6000206@vimperator.org>
	<5c2c86e70811180048n62b56c9cle19723d39c51c600@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811180333y7fc0d290na639f30d39ecf249@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70811180548s33c1d274m95f21ac8b5a52d1f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6eebba490811180746j655ed43dia20a4c06d7417611@mail.gmail.com>

> Thank's? your ? feedSomekeys ? work great?
> Why the plugins are not on the web-site ?

feedSomeKeys_2.js and feedSomeKeys.js are already on the site of
coderepos.org :)

please see and search
http://coderepos.org/share/browser/lang/javascript/vimperator-plugins/trunk
(for 2.0pre)
http://coderepos.org/share/browser/lang/javascript/vimperator-plugins/tags/1.2pre
(for 1.2pre)

Best regards.
---
teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/

From nemolivier at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 07:51:25 2008
From: nemolivier at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Olivier_Gu=C3=A9ry?=)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:51:25 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Input boxes
In-Reply-To: <6eebba490811180746j655ed43dia20a4c06d7417611@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76eccaa60811172027i64eb0bbeqb87fd79625bf668d@mail.gmail.com>
	<49227A71.6000206@vimperator.org>
	<5c2c86e70811180048n62b56c9cle19723d39c51c600@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811180333y7fc0d290na639f30d39ecf249@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70811180548s33c1d274m95f21ac8b5a52d1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811180746j655ed43dia20a4c06d7417611@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c2c86e70811180751tc5bb091n2a6e3c0b6890f533@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/18 M. Terada <teramako at gmail.com>:
>> Thank's? your ? feedSomekeys ? work great?
>> Why the plugins are not on the web-site ?
>
> feedSomeKeys_2.js and feedSomeKeys.js are already on the site of
> coderepos.org :)
>
> please see and search
> http://coderepos.org/share/browser/lang/javascript/vimperator-plugins/trunk
> (for 2.0pre)
> http://coderepos.org/share/browser/lang/javascript/vimperator-plugins/tags/1.2pre
> (for 1.2pre)

I was speaking about the vimperator web-site. I use the pluggins from
your repository.

Olivier.
-- 
[Message tap? sur un clavier B?po : http://www.clavier-dvorak.org ]
http://nemolivier.blogspot.com

From teramako at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 08:55:31 2008
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:55:31 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] Input boxes
In-Reply-To: <5c2c86e70811180751tc5bb091n2a6e3c0b6890f533@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76eccaa60811172027i64eb0bbeqb87fd79625bf668d@mail.gmail.com>
	<49227A71.6000206@vimperator.org>
	<5c2c86e70811180048n62b56c9cle19723d39c51c600@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811180333y7fc0d290na639f30d39ecf249@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70811180548s33c1d274m95f21ac8b5a52d1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811180746j655ed43dia20a4c06d7417611@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70811180751tc5bb091n2a6e3c0b6890f533@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6eebba490811180855h72b274d6j5a5146734982a3ec@mail.gmail.com>

> I was speaking about the vimperator web-site. I use the pluggins from
> your repository.
OK
just now, I uploaded

http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/48

----
teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/

From reza.jelveh at tuhh.de  Tue Nov 18 23:56:48 2008
From: reza.jelveh at tuhh.de (Reza Jelveh)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:56:48 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Hints programmer-dvorak
In-Reply-To: <8F7E0F82-9E72-4ACE-B09A-6102FFF81932@tuhh.de>
References: <8F7E0F82-9E72-4ACE-B09A-6102FFF81932@tuhh.de>
Message-ID: <147700C5-2FF9-4298-957B-3C25876979EF@tuhh.de>

To answer my own question to make programmer dvorak work nicely with
number hints. Theres now 2 places to be modified events.js and hints.js

A question to the devs. Is there a way to do is in a plugin? It's bit  
awkward to
change the hints/events js for special cases.


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From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Nov 19 03:43:52 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:43:52 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Hints programmer-dvorak
In-Reply-To: <147700C5-2FF9-4298-957B-3C25876979EF@tuhh.de>
References: <8F7E0F82-9E72-4ACE-B09A-6102FFF81932@tuhh.de>
	<147700C5-2FF9-4298-957B-3C25876979EF@tuhh.de>
Message-ID: <4923FBF8.7080303@vimperator.org>

On 2008-11-19 08:56, Reza Jelveh wrote:

> To answer my own question to make programmer dvorak work nicely with
> number hints. Theres now 2 places to be modified events.js and hints.js
> 
> A question to the devs. Is there a way to do is in a plugin? It's bit  
> awkward to
> change the hints/events js for special cases.


I think you could write your own hintMatcher and :set hintmatching=custom.

If that doesn't work, you really have to write a full hint system like char-hints.js
as a plugin :(

--
Martin

PS: That's exactly the reason why i personally would never buy a dvorak keyboard, there are just
too many apps out there which don't work perfectly, or need a huge amount of tweaking
to work well.

From eyolf at oestrem.com  Wed Nov 19 08:09:57 2008
From: eyolf at oestrem.com (Eyolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8strem?=)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:09:57 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] char-hints plugin won't work in latest git?
In-Reply-To: <aa5421130811170205p18e56d40lbcae1d70d7bdab78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa5421130811161546p5894b779x9a178f271c1ef155@mail.gmail.com>
	<4920BD72.1050208@tedpavlic.com>
	<aa5421130811170205p18e56d40lbcae1d70d7bdab78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081119160957.GB8376@eyo>

 
I finally got char-hints.js to work again. I ran Ted's script, but in order
to make it work, I had to modify the last lines of the script to the
following:


modes.setCustomMode ("CHAR-HINTS", plugins.charhints.onEvent,
                                plugins.charhints.hide); 

mappings.addUserMap([modes.NORMAL], [chh.mapNormal],
        "Start Custum-QuickHint mode",
        function () { plugins.charhints.show(modes.QUICK_HINT, "o");});

mappings.addUserMap([modes.NORMAL], [chh.mapNormalNewTab],
        "Start Custum-QuickHint mode, but open link in a new tab",
        function () { plugins.charhints.show(modes.QUICK_HINT, "t");});

mappings.addUserMap([modes.NORMAL], [chh.mapExtended],
        "Start an extended hint mode",
        function (arg)
        {
            if (arg == "f")
                plugins.charhints.show(modes.ALWAYS_HINT, "o");
            else if (arg == "F")
                plugins.charhints.show(modes.ALWAYS_HINT, "t");
            else
                plugins.charhints.show(modes.EXTENDED_HINT, arg);
        },
        { flags: Mappings.flags.ARGUMENT });

// vim: set fdm=marker sw=4 ts=4 et:


Eyolf


-- 
The future isn't what it used to be.  (It never was.)

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Nov 19 08:32:36 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:32:36 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] char-hints plugin won't work in latest git?
In-Reply-To: <20081119160957.GB8376@eyo>
References: <aa5421130811161546p5894b779x9a178f271c1ef155@mail.gmail.com>	<4920BD72.1050208@tedpavlic.com>	<aa5421130811170205p18e56d40lbcae1d70d7bdab78@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081119160957.GB8376@eyo>
Message-ID: <49243FA4.1090402@vimperator.org>

On 2008-11-19 17:09, Eyolf ?strem wrote:

>  
> I finally got char-hints.js to work again. I ran Ted's script, but in order
> to make it work, I had to modify the last lines of the script to the
> following:

[snip]

>             if (arg == "f")
>                 plugins.charhints.show(modes.ALWAYS_HINT, "o");
>             else if (arg == "F")
>                 plugins.charhints.show(modes.ALWAYS_HINT, "t");
>             else
>                 plugins.charhints.show(modes.EXTENDED_HINT, arg);


That works? I think we have removed the modes.{ALWAYS,EXTENDED}_HINT submodes.

From eyolf at oestrem.com  Wed Nov 19 08:38:00 2008
From: eyolf at oestrem.com (Eyolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8strem?=)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:38:00 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] char-hints plugin won't work in latest git?
In-Reply-To: <49243FA4.1090402@vimperator.org>
References: <aa5421130811161546p5894b779x9a178f271c1ef155@mail.gmail.com>
	<4920BD72.1050208@tedpavlic.com>
	<aa5421130811170205p18e56d40lbcae1d70d7bdab78@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081119160957.GB8376@eyo> <49243FA4.1090402@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <20081119163800.GD8376@eyo>

On 19.11.2008 (17:32), Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
> On 2008-11-19 17:09, Eyolf ?strem wrote:
> >             if (arg == "f")
> >                 plugins.charhints.show(modes.ALWAYS_HINT, "o");
> >             else if (arg == "F")
> >                 plugins.charhints.show(modes.ALWAYS_HINT, "t");
> >             else
> >                 plugins.charhints.show(modes.EXTENDED_HINT, arg);
> 
> 
> That works? I think we have removed the modes.{ALWAYS,EXTENDED}_HINT submodes.

Works here. With a git checkout from nov 13, the one with the commit
message: "changed horrible history cache code" -- that's the latest I have
tried. 

Eyolf

-- 
The 'A' is for content, the 'minus' is for not typing it.  Don't ever do
this to my eyes again.
		-- Professor Ronald Brady, Philosophy, Ramapo State College

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 08:50:48 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:50:48 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] char-hints plugin won't work in latest git?
In-Reply-To: <20081119160957.GB8376@eyo>
References: <aa5421130811161546p5894b779x9a178f271c1ef155@mail.gmail.com>
	<4920BD72.1050208@tedpavlic.com>
	<aa5421130811170205p18e56d40lbcae1d70d7bdab78@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081119160957.GB8376@eyo>
Message-ID: <aa5421130811190850g177fd8cfme3908c67ea121a40@mail.gmail.com>

confirm! it works! thx a lot.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 17:09, Eyolf ?strem <eyolf at oestrem.com> wrote:
>
> I finally got char-hints.js to work again. I ran Ted's script, but in order
> to make it work, I had to modify the last lines of the script to the
> following:
>
>
> modes.setCustomMode ("CHAR-HINTS", plugins.charhints.onEvent,
>                                plugins.charhints.hide);
>
> mappings.addUserMap([modes.NORMAL], [chh.mapNormal],
>        "Start Custum-QuickHint mode",
>        function () { plugins.charhints.show(modes.QUICK_HINT, "o");});
>
> mappings.addUserMap([modes.NORMAL], [chh.mapNormalNewTab],
>        "Start Custum-QuickHint mode, but open link in a new tab",
>        function () { plugins.charhints.show(modes.QUICK_HINT, "t");});
>
> mappings.addUserMap([modes.NORMAL], [chh.mapExtended],
>        "Start an extended hint mode",
>        function (arg)
>        {
>            if (arg == "f")
>                plugins.charhints.show(modes.ALWAYS_HINT, "o");
>            else if (arg == "F")
>                plugins.charhints.show(modes.ALWAYS_HINT, "t");
>            else
>                plugins.charhints.show(modes.EXTENDED_HINT, arg);
>        },
>        { flags: Mappings.flags.ARGUMENT });
>
> // vim: set fdm=marker sw=4 ts=4 et:
>
>
> Eyolf
>
>
> --
> The future isn't what it used to be.  (It never was.)
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 10:16:45 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:16:45 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] char-hints plugin won't work in latest git?
In-Reply-To: <49243FA4.1090402@vimperator.org>
References: <aa5421130811161546p5894b779x9a178f271c1ef155@mail.gmail.com>
	<4920BD72.1050208@tedpavlic.com>
	<aa5421130811170205p18e56d40lbcae1d70d7bdab78@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081119160957.GB8376@eyo> <49243FA4.1090402@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <a48155040811191016g4ac3da8cie6bda8b3525c4883@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Martin Stubenschrott
<maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
> That works? I think we have removed the modes.{ALWAYS,EXTENDED}_HINT submodes.

We have. It must not care if the argument is undefined.

From eyolf at oestrem.com  Wed Nov 19 12:46:16 2008
From: eyolf at oestrem.com (Eyolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8strem?=)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:46:16 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] char-hints plugin won't work in latest git?
In-Reply-To: <a48155040811191016g4ac3da8cie6bda8b3525c4883@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa5421130811161546p5894b779x9a178f271c1ef155@mail.gmail.com>
	<4920BD72.1050208@tedpavlic.com>
	<aa5421130811170205p18e56d40lbcae1d70d7bdab78@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081119160957.GB8376@eyo> <49243FA4.1090402@vimperator.org>
	<a48155040811191016g4ac3da8cie6bda8b3525c4883@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081119204616.GB21708@eyo.wins.ibt.ku.dk>

On 19.11.2008 (13:16), Kris Maglione wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Martin Stubenschrott
> <maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
> > That works? I think we have removed the modes.{ALWAYS,EXTENDED}_HINT submodes.
> 
> We have. It must not care if the argument is undefined.

As long as it works, I don't care either.... :)

e

-- 
If you are a police dog, where's your badge?
		-- Question James Thurber used to drive his German Shepherd
		   crazy.

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Nov 19 18:47:07 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:47:07 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] follow quick hints, patch
In-Reply-To: <d5baa8100811180202q287927dnce821289047048e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5baa8100811171210m7302b20ey115ffe763b2b623f@mail.gmail.com>	<4921D03C.7080506@vimperator.org>	<d5baa8100811180154h25b14750pc871d95cca377e5c@mail.gmail.com>	<49229187.5030307@vimperator.org>
	<d5baa8100811180202q287927dnce821289047048e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4924CFAB.9050408@vimperator.org>

On 2008-11-18 11:02, ruud grosmann wrote:

>>
>> diff -u > hints.patch    :)
> 
> 
> here they are

The patch itself is very fine. I ask if that should be in by default. Usually
I am against adding new options unless they are really needed. This one might
be a good idea, however. What do others on the list think about the patch below?

PS: Please use American English for documentation (behavior instead of behaviour) in future.

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> --- hints.js	2008-11-13 12:21:43.000000000 +0100
> +++ /export/home/rdgon/overz/hints.js	2008-11-18 10:51:16.000000000 +0100
> @@ -327,6 +327,21 @@
>              return false;
>          }
>  
> +        if (options["hintreturnmode"] > 0)
> +        {   // check if continuing is valid
> +            if (!followFirst)
> +                return false;   // no return hit; don't examine uniqueness
> +            // else
> +            if ((options["hintreturnmode"] == 2) && validHints.length > 1 &&
> +                                                       !hintNumber)
> +            {    // OK. return hit. But there's more than one hint. And
> +                // there's no tab-selected current link. Do not follow in
> +                // mode 2
> +                liberator.beep();
> +                return false;
> +            }
> +        }
> +    
>          if (!followFirst)
>          {
>              var firstHref = validHints[0].getAttribute("href") || null;
> @@ -563,6 +578,11 @@
>          "number", 0,
>          { validator: function (value) value >= 0 });
>  
> +    options.add(["hintreturnmode", "hrm"],
> +        "Mode for processing of returns during text input",
> +        "number", 0,
> +        { validator: function (value) value >= 0 && value < 3 });
> +
>      options.add(["linkfgcolor", "lfc"],
>          "Foreground color of a link during hint mode",
>          "string", "black");
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> --- options.txt	2008-11-13 12:21:43.000000000 +0100
> +++ /export/home/rdgon/overz/options.txt	2008-11-18 10:51:27.000000000 +0100
> @@ -360,6 +360,18 @@
>  *custom*             Delegate to a custom function: liberator.plugins.customHintMatcher(hintString)
>  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  
> +|\'hrm'| |\'hintreturnmode'|
> +||'hintreturnmode' 'hrm'|| number (default: 0)
> +____
> +
> +Change the function of hitting the return while in the text part of a the hint. Possible values:
> +
> +`---------`------------------------------------------------------------
> +*0*           default behaviour. Link is followed as soon as text uniquely identifies it. Return key follows tab selected (if any) or first link.
> +*1*           like 0, but don't follow link automatically if text has uniquely identified it
> +*2*           like 1, but don't follow first link if there are more possibilities
> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> +
>  ____
>  
>  
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator



From ervandew at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 19:11:30 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:11:30 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] setting previous context mark... the ' mark
Message-ID: <afa9caf10811191911i73b29648h90d4b1808b94bf4d@mail.gmail.com>

One vim feature that I've been continuously missing from vimperator,
is the "previous context mark", or the ' mark.  The scenario where I
miss it the most is when I'm currently somewhere in the middle of a
page and jump to either the start (gg) or end (G) of the page and then
instinctively hit '' (single quote, single quote) to try to jump back
to where I was, but to no avail.

Though I think vimperator should set the previous context mark
automatically, I figured a couple quick mappings would tide me over:

noremap gg m'gg
noremap G m'G

However these did not work.  After hitting gg or G, the previous
context mark was not set.  After playing with :mark and looking at the
vimperator code, I found that vimperator only allows the marks a-z to
be marked with m or :mark.

So, getting to my question: Is there a reason why vimperator disallows
setting the previous context mark?

Attached is a small patch which allows this mark to be set, and in
turn makes my above mappings behave exactly as I would expect.  The
patch doesn't update delmarks, but vim doesn't appear to allow
deleting of that mark either.

--
eric
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 19:46:51 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:46:51 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] follow quick hints, patch
In-Reply-To: <4924CFAB.9050408@vimperator.org>
References: <d5baa8100811171210m7302b20ey115ffe763b2b623f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4921D03C.7080506@vimperator.org>
	<d5baa8100811180154h25b14750pc871d95cca377e5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<49229187.5030307@vimperator.org>
	<d5baa8100811180202q287927dnce821289047048e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<4924CFAB.9050408@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <a48155040811191946i2120793cs4b696a8e4d2eb7e2@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Martin Stubenschrott
<maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
> The patch itself is very fine. I ask if that should be in by default. Usually
> I am against adding new options unless they are really needed. This one might
> be a good idea, however. What do others on the list think about the patch below?

I think it's probably a useful feature (I find it a bit disconcerting
that I don't really know how many letters I need to type before a hint
is automatically followed). My only real complaint is that the
documentation is confusing. I'm still not quite sure I really
understand it. I'm also not terribly fond of the option name (I'd like
something like 'followhints' better).

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 19:50:13 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:50:13 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] setting previous context mark... the ' mark
In-Reply-To: <afa9caf10811191911i73b29648h90d4b1808b94bf4d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <afa9caf10811191911i73b29648h90d4b1808b94bf4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a48155040811191950r51cb21eak1cacff2c2e8e4e5b@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Eric Van Dewoestine
<ervandew at gmail.com> wrote:
> So, getting to my question: Is there a reason why vimperator disallows
> setting the previous context mark?

Because it's not vim compatible. The ', ", 0-9 marks are special.
They're automatically updated and can't be set. Ideally, vimperator
should support them intrinsically, but I seem to recall that there are
corner cases.

From ervandew at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 20:39:48 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:39:48 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] setting previous context mark... the ' mark
In-Reply-To: <a48155040811191950r51cb21eak1cacff2c2e8e4e5b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <afa9caf10811191911i73b29648h90d4b1808b94bf4d@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811191950r51cb21eak1cacff2c2e8e4e5b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <afa9caf10811192039w6d0c4383m11238203e142d8df@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Eric Van Dewoestine
> <ervandew at gmail.com> wrote:
>> So, getting to my question: Is there a reason why vimperator disallows
>> setting the previous context mark?
>
> Because it's not vim compatible. The ', ", 0-9 marks are special.
> They're automatically updated and can't be set. Ideally, vimperator
> should support them intrinsically, but I seem to recall that there are
> corner cases.
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

Actually, you can set the ' mark manually in vim:

:mark '
or
m'


--
eric

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 20:52:46 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:52:46 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] setting previous context mark... the ' mark
In-Reply-To: <afa9caf10811192039w6d0c4383m11238203e142d8df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <afa9caf10811191911i73b29648h90d4b1808b94bf4d@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811191950r51cb21eak1cacff2c2e8e4e5b@mail.gmail.com>
	<afa9caf10811192039w6d0c4383m11238203e142d8df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a48155040811192052j5bccdb66u76168f2059a864e2@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:39 PM, Eric Van Dewoestine
<ervandew at gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, you can set the ' mark manually in vim:

Interesting. In that case, they can't be set because they haven't been
properly implemented yet.

P.S. I'd like to take this opportunity to bash vim, except that the
behavior doesn't seem unreasonable. Ah, well. Another day.

From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 10:14:49 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:14:49 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] follow quick hints, patch
In-Reply-To: <a48155040811191946i2120793cs4b696a8e4d2eb7e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5baa8100811171210m7302b20ey115ffe763b2b623f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4921D03C.7080506@vimperator.org>
	<d5baa8100811180154h25b14750pc871d95cca377e5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<49229187.5030307@vimperator.org>
	<d5baa8100811180202q287927dnce821289047048e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<4924CFAB.9050408@vimperator.org>
	<a48155040811191946i2120793cs4b696a8e4d2eb7e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d5baa8100811201014x3d207ff8gc4b1536d0dcc4734@mail.gmail.com>

>
> I think it's probably a useful feature (I find it a bit disconcerting
> that I don't really know how many letters I need to type before a hint
> is automatically followed). My only real complaint is that the
> documentation is confusing. I'm still not quite sure I really
> understand it. I'm also not terribly fond of the option name (I'd like
> something like 'followhints' better).

Confusing? Yes, I am aware of that. My English is simply terrible. I
really hope I can get some assistance of someone with a better
proposal. If I have to explain it again, please let me know.

Concerning the option name: I personally would choose for a name
starting with 'hint' so that it is in the alphabetically sorted option
documentation together with the other hint options....

regards, Ruud

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Nov 20 12:37:13 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:37:13 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] follow quick hints, patch
In-Reply-To: <d5baa8100811201014x3d207ff8gc4b1536d0dcc4734@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5baa8100811171210m7302b20ey115ffe763b2b623f@mail.gmail.com>	<4921D03C.7080506@vimperator.org>	<d5baa8100811180154h25b14750pc871d95cca377e5c@mail.gmail.com>	<49229187.5030307@vimperator.org>	<d5baa8100811180202q287927dnce821289047048e4@mail.gmail.com>	<4924CFAB.9050408@vimperator.org>	<a48155040811191946i2120793cs4b696a8e4d2eb7e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<d5baa8100811201014x3d207ff8gc4b1536d0dcc4734@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4925CA79.8020009@vimperator.org>

Thanks, I applied the patch now.

I went for 'followhints', I just think that makes more sense.

Congratulations, your first patch for Vimperator, I also added
you to the AUTHORS file, hopefully you'd like to contribute more in future :)

--
Martin

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Nov 20 13:03:52 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:03:52 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] No hints in this frame?
Message-ID: <4925D0B8.4010100@tedpavlic.com>

When I go to this page:

http://ees.elsevier.com/jtb/default.asp

If I hit "f" the "home | main menu | submit paper | ..." links at the 
top of the page do not get marked as hints. However, the "Journal of 
Theoretical Biology" image does get a hint.

Does this have something to do with the frames that they use? I've tried 
focusing on that frame (using ]f), but "f" still doesn't get those links.

Thoughts? --
Ted

P.S.

I am using the latest Vimp CVS.

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 14:50:35 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:50:35 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] No hints in this frame?
In-Reply-To: <4925D0B8.4010100@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4925D0B8.4010100@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <aa5421130811201450u1db8269bw67561d980b5e4d3a@mail.gmail.com>

I am not sure if vimperator has map html tag support.

PS:
the menu from that site is made of a whole big picture and then
use map tag to hard code menu item postition (quite old style and
maybe this site is created with dreamweaver or some other lame tools.
 not enough handcrafted :D ),


On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 22:03, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
> When I go to this page:
>
> http://ees.elsevier.com/jtb/default.asp
>
> If I hit "f" the "home | main menu | submit paper | ..." links at the top of
> the page do not get marked as hints. However, the "Journal of Theoretical
> Biology" image does get a hint.
>
> Does this have something to do with the frames that they use? I've tried
> focusing on that frame (using ]f), but "f" still doesn't get those links.
>
> Thoughts? --
> Ted
>
> P.S.
>
> I am using the latest Vimp CVS.
>
> --
> Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Nov 20 16:57:38 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:57:38 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] No hints in this frame?
In-Reply-To: <aa5421130811201450u1db8269bw67561d980b5e4d3a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4925D0B8.4010100@tedpavlic.com>
	<aa5421130811201450u1db8269bw67561d980b5e4d3a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49260782.1090606@tedpavlic.com>


It was my impression that Vimp wasn't parsing the HTML; I assumed Vimp 
was just grabbing everything that Firefox marked as a link.

Even if it's an image map, Firefox knows that different regions are 
clickable, and it changes my pointer as it hovers over them accordingly. 
It seems to me that Vimperator should have the ability to grab those 
links (image map or not).

Maybe I'm incorrect?

Thanks --
Ted

Ye Xu wrote:
> I am not sure if vimperator has map html tag support.
> 
> PS:
> the menu from that site is made of a whole big picture and then
> use map tag to hard code menu item postition (quite old style and
> maybe this site is created with dreamweaver or some other lame tools.
>  not enough handcrafted :D ),
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 22:03, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
>> When I go to this page:
>>
>> http://ees.elsevier.com/jtb/default.asp
-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 17:21:33 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:21:33 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] No hints in this frame?
In-Reply-To: <49260782.1090606@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4925D0B8.4010100@tedpavlic.com>
	<aa5421130811201450u1db8269bw67561d980b5e4d3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<49260782.1090606@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <a48155040811201721t10182ef2ia4ff384e55a3ddb2@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
>
> It was my impression that Vimp wasn't parsing the HTML; I assumed Vimp was
> just grabbing everything that Firefox marked as a link.
>
> Even if it's an image map, Firefox knows that different regions are
> clickable, and it changes my pointer as it hovers over them accordingly. It
> seems to me that Vimperator should have the ability to grab those links
> (image map or not).

Of course we don't parse HTML. We select DOM nodes based on the
expression in 'hinttags'. The problem is that the code doesn't
currently handle image maps. There's nothing magical at all about hint
handling. We just outline the rectangles of clickable elements, and
fake click events when one is selected. Image maps don't work that
way. They require all sorts of special handling.

That said, this is a known bug which no one seems to have any interest
in fixing, but you should probably file a ticket, anyway.

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 17:21:33 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:21:33 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] No hints in this frame?
In-Reply-To: <49260782.1090606@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4925D0B8.4010100@tedpavlic.com>
	<aa5421130811201450u1db8269bw67561d980b5e4d3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<49260782.1090606@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <a48155040811201721t10182ef2ia4ff384e55a3ddb2@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
>
> It was my impression that Vimp wasn't parsing the HTML; I assumed Vimp was
> just grabbing everything that Firefox marked as a link.
>
> Even if it's an image map, Firefox knows that different regions are
> clickable, and it changes my pointer as it hovers over them accordingly. It
> seems to me that Vimperator should have the ability to grab those links
> (image map or not).

Of course we don't parse HTML. We select DOM nodes based on the
expression in 'hinttags'. The problem is that the code doesn't
currently handle image maps. There's nothing magical at all about hint
handling. We just outline the rectangles of clickable elements, and
fake click events when one is selected. Image maps don't work that
way. They require all sorts of special handling.

That said, this is a known bug which no one seems to have any interest
in fixing, but you should probably file a ticket, anyway.

From anekos at snca.net  Thu Nov 20 18:47:17 2008
From: anekos at snca.net (anekos)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:47:17 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] bookmarks.get('filter') does not work
Message-ID: <d61793b50811201847wc090aa1g12a27f284aa32e2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi.

I found a bug on CVS head.
bookmarks.get('http') returns empty array.

I wrote a patch.
so please review and consider applying attached patch.
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From ervandew at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 20:47:24 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:47:24 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] setting previous context mark... the ' mark
In-Reply-To: <a48155040811192052j5bccdb66u76168f2059a864e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <afa9caf10811191911i73b29648h90d4b1808b94bf4d@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811191950r51cb21eak1cacff2c2e8e4e5b@mail.gmail.com>
	<afa9caf10811192039w6d0c4383m11238203e142d8df@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811192052j5bccdb66u76168f2059a864e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <afa9caf10811202047r404223d1pbe96125c6a18251e@mail.gmail.com>

> Interesting. In that case, they can't be set because they haven't been
> properly implemented yet.

Aside from the obvious pieces included in my patch, what else needs to
be addressed?  I'd be happy to flush it out more, or to even start
adding support for setting the ' mark automatically.  I just figured
I'd start with the lowest common denominator first, allowing the '
mark to be set.

--
eric

From ervandew at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 21:16:57 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:16:57 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Restoring focus to current frame after leaving command
	line mode.
Message-ID: <afa9caf10811202116na9019f1o50a363169b8b1d59@mail.gmail.com>

I do a fair amount of java programming, and as such, I frequently find
myself navigating javadoc web pages with the typical 3 frame layout.
One minor annoyance is that once I change focus from the first frame
to one of the other two, that focus is lost if I enter command line
mode at any point, after which focus defaults back to the upper left
most frame.

In an attempt to solve this, I made a small patch which allows the
commandline module to register a callback which is triggered upon
completion of liberator.focusContent().  I'm not sure if this is the
ideal approach, but after playing around with other solutions, it was
the least obtrusive.

I'm still finding my way around the vimperator source, so this patch
may have some hidden corner cases.  I'd appreciate any feedback or
suggestions.

--
eric
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From ervandew at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 21:16:57 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:16:57 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Restoring focus to current frame after leaving command
	line mode.
Message-ID: <afa9caf10811202116na9019f1o50a363169b8b1d59@mail.gmail.com>

I do a fair amount of java programming, and as such, I frequently find
myself navigating javadoc web pages with the typical 3 frame layout.
One minor annoyance is that once I change focus from the first frame
to one of the other two, that focus is lost if I enter command line
mode at any point, after which focus defaults back to the upper left
most frame.

In an attempt to solve this, I made a small patch which allows the
commandline module to register a callback which is triggered upon
completion of liberator.focusContent().  I'm not sure if this is the
ideal approach, but after playing around with other solutions, it was
the least obtrusive.

I'm still finding my way around the vimperator source, so this patch
may have some hidden corner cases.  I'd appreciate any feedback or
suggestions.

--
eric
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 22:42:56 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:42:56 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Restoring focus to current frame after leaving
	command line mode.
In-Reply-To: <afa9caf10811202116na9019f1o50a363169b8b1d59@mail.gmail.com>
References: <afa9caf10811202116na9019f1o50a363169b8b1d59@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a48155040811202242n3d663feeyf217689db4a8737f@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:16 AM, Eric Van Dewoestine
<ervandew at gmail.com> wrote:
> In an attempt to solve this, I made a small patch which allows the
> commandline module to register a callback which is triggered upon
> completion of liberator.focusContent().  I'm not sure if this is the
> ideal approach, but after playing around with other solutions, it was
> the least obtrusive.
>
> I'm still finding my way around the vimperator source, so this patch
> may have some hidden corner cases.  I'd appreciate any feedback or
> suggestions.

Hm. First suggestion, try to forget that you're a Java programmer. I
fear you may be scarred for life.

Well, honestly, I'm not the best person to give feedback or
suggestions. I did fix this, and other related bugs. See that
changeset for the only kind of feedback I'm really good at. That said,
my only real comment is that I don't like the specificity of your
patch. It shouldn't remember the last focused frame only when
entering/leaving command line mode, and so the callback is really
unnecessary. As for it being the least obtrusive method, well, that
may be good in general, but not when it leads to special cases where a
more general solution is in order.

Anyway, thanks for the effort. I hope you'll contribute more in the future.

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Nov 20 23:49:19 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:49:19 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] bookmarks.get('filter') does not work
In-Reply-To: <d61793b50811201847wc090aa1g12a27f284aa32e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d61793b50811201847wc090aa1g12a27f284aa32e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492667FF.5000201@vimperator.org>

On 2008-11-21 03:47, anekos wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> I found a bug on CVS head.
> bookmarks.get('http') returns empty array.


Ah, a known bug for a few days, thanks for looking into it!

 
> I wrote a patch.
> so please review and consider applying attached patch.

Hmm, when I woke up today, i cvs upped, and the bug seems to gone.
I think Kris fixed it, do you see a need for the patch with the current
CVS?

--
Martin

From anekos at snca.net  Fri Nov 21 00:47:53 2008
From: anekos at snca.net (anekos)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:47:53 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] bookmarks.get('filter') does not work
In-Reply-To: <492667FF.5000201@vimperator.org>
References: <d61793b50811201847wc090aa1g12a27f284aa32e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<492667FF.5000201@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <d61793b50811210047j1aaba5b1v727c6902679cb12c@mail.gmail.com>

> do you see a need for the patch with the current CVS?
Yes.
I re-tested on this version.
  -> http://hg.intevation.org/mirrors/mozdev.org/vimperator-cvs/rev/7e4f280c0e60

when first argument is "", it seems no problem.
  bookmarks.get("").length => 1105

but when first argument is "http", It's strange clealy.
  bookmarks.get("http").length => 0 !!


in filterURLArray:
  var url   = elem[0] || "";
  var title = elem[1] || "";
  var tags  = elem.tags || elem[3] || [];
in loadBookmark:
  return bookmarks.push({ url: node.uri, title: node.title, get icon()
getFavicon(node.uri), keyword: keyword, tags: tags, id: node.itemId});

elem[0|1|3] is undefined, because items of bookmarks are not Struct.

From amolj.1306 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 01:57:50 2008
From: amolj.1306 at gmail.com (Amol Jadhav)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:27:50 +0530
Subject: [Vimperator] command line
Message-ID: <76eccaa60811210157y6b672fcfuc8ad522a8cfb1f93@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Do we need the command line (I don't know what 'command line' is reffered
by, please correct if anyone have any esoteric name) every time visible on
the bottom? . I don't think so, it shows the

   1. command you have entered
   2. in which mode Vimperator is running (INSERT, CARET, etc).
   3. nothing (most of the time)

for #1 it is ok, #2 can be shown on the when approriate or on the strip
above it and for #3 we don't need it. Can this be hidden so that we get even
more area for Web page that we are browsing? Just like google Chorme.

Thanks,
Amol
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From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Nov 21 04:48:37 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:48:37 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] bookmarks.get('filter') does not work
In-Reply-To: <d61793b50811210047j1aaba5b1v727c6902679cb12c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d61793b50811201847wc090aa1g12a27f284aa32e2@mail.gmail.com>	<492667FF.5000201@vimperator.org>
	<d61793b50811210047j1aaba5b1v727c6902679cb12c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4926AE25.9010001@vimperator.org>

Oh, stupid me. It worked for me, because when using completions first,
it sets the [0] and [1] properties on the bookmark object for backwards
compatibililty (will be removed at some time).

I applied your patch, nice work, hope to see more from you :)

--
Martin

On 2008-11-21 09:47, anekos wrote:

>> do you see a need for the patch with the current CVS?
> Yes.
> I re-tested on this version.
>   -> http://hg.intevation.org/mirrors/mozdev.org/vimperator-cvs/rev/7e4f280c0e60
> 
> when first argument is "", it seems no problem.
>   bookmarks.get("").length => 1105
> 
> but when first argument is "http", It's strange clealy.
>   bookmarks.get("http").length => 0 !!
> 
> 
> in filterURLArray:
>   var url   = elem[0] || "";
>   var title = elem[1] || "";
>   var tags  = elem.tags || elem[3] || [];
> in loadBookmark:
>   return bookmarks.push({ url: node.uri, title: node.title, get icon()
> getFavicon(node.uri), keyword: keyword, tags: tags, id: node.itemId});
> 
> elem[0|1|3] is undefined, because items of bookmarks are not Struct.
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator



From amolj.1306 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 05:47:25 2008
From: amolj.1306 at gmail.com (Amol Jadhav)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:17:25 +0530
Subject: [Vimperator] Input boxes
In-Reply-To: <6eebba490811180746j655ed43dia20a4c06d7417611@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76eccaa60811172027i64eb0bbeqb87fd79625bf668d@mail.gmail.com>
	<49227A71.6000206@vimperator.org>
	<5c2c86e70811180048n62b56c9cle19723d39c51c600@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811180333y7fc0d290na639f30d39ecf249@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70811180548s33c1d274m95f21ac8b5a52d1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811180746j655ed43dia20a4c06d7417611@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76eccaa60811210547s77d2969cu7e67f85136765ae9@mail.gmail.com>

How can I one a message using feedSomekeys [fsk]? fsk are not working for
google reader.

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:16 PM, M. Terada <teramako at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Thank's? your ? feedSomekeys ? work great?
> > Why the plugins are not on the web-site ?
>
> feedSomeKeys_2.js and feedSomeKeys.js are already on the site of
> coderepos.org :)
>
> please see and search
> http://coderepos.org/share/browser/lang/javascript/vimperator-plugins/trunk
> (for 2.0pre)
>
> http://coderepos.org/share/browser/lang/javascript/vimperator-plugins/tags/1.2pre
> (for 1.2pre)
>
> Best regards.
> ---
> teramako
> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
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From amolj.1306 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 05:48:12 2008
From: amolj.1306 at gmail.com (Amol Jadhav)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:18:12 +0530
Subject: [Vimperator] Input boxes
In-Reply-To: <76eccaa60811210547s77d2969cu7e67f85136765ae9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76eccaa60811172027i64eb0bbeqb87fd79625bf668d@mail.gmail.com>
	<49227A71.6000206@vimperator.org>
	<5c2c86e70811180048n62b56c9cle19723d39c51c600@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811180333y7fc0d290na639f30d39ecf249@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70811180548s33c1d274m95f21ac8b5a52d1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811180746j655ed43dia20a4c06d7417611@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811210547s77d2969cu7e67f85136765ae9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76eccaa60811210548v65116c37r43e696a8ed1ffb09@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for typo...
How can I open a message using feedSomekeys [fsk]? fsk are not working for
google reader.


On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Amol Jadhav <amolj.1306 at gmail.com> wrote:

> How can I one a message using feedSomekeys [fsk]? fsk are not working for
> google reader.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:16 PM, M. Terada <teramako at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Thank's? your ? feedSomekeys ? work great?
>> > Why the plugins are not on the web-site ?
>>
>> feedSomeKeys_2.js and feedSomeKeys.js are already on the site of
>> coderepos.org :)
>>
>> please see and search
>>
>> http://coderepos.org/share/browser/lang/javascript/vimperator-plugins/trunk
>> (for 2.0pre)
>>
>> http://coderepos.org/share/browser/lang/javascript/vimperator-plugins/tags/1.2pre
>> (for 1.2pre)
>>
>> Best regards.
>> ---
>> teramako
>> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>
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From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Nov 21 06:04:57 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:04:57 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] No hints in this frame?
In-Reply-To: <a48155040811201721t10182ef2ia4ff384e55a3ddb2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4925D0B8.4010100@tedpavlic.com>
	<aa5421130811201450u1db8269bw67561d980b5e4d3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<49260782.1090606@tedpavlic.com>
	<a48155040811201721t10182ef2ia4ff384e55a3ddb2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4926C009.1070007@tedpavlic.com>

OK. Ticketed:

http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/53

Thanks --
Ted

> That said, this is a known bug which no one seems to have any interest
> in fixing, but you should probably file a ticket, anyway.

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From teramako at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 06:10:28 2008
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:10:28 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] Input boxes
In-Reply-To: <76eccaa60811210548v65116c37r43e696a8ed1ffb09@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76eccaa60811172027i64eb0bbeqb87fd79625bf668d@mail.gmail.com>
	<49227A71.6000206@vimperator.org>
	<5c2c86e70811180048n62b56c9cle19723d39c51c600@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811180333y7fc0d290na639f30d39ecf249@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70811180548s33c1d274m95f21ac8b5a52d1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811180746j655ed43dia20a4c06d7417611@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811210547s77d2969cu7e67f85136765ae9@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811210548v65116c37r43e696a8ed1ffb09@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6eebba490811210610q2da4b0a7k5c271fcf21e33cc8@mail.gmail.com>

> How can I open a message using feedSomekeys [fsk]? fsk are not working for
> google reader.
Does [fsk] mean that
f : go to friend,
s: toggle star
k: item up
?

Please tell me your setting.

Best regards
---
teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/

From amolj.1306 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 06:17:17 2008
From: amolj.1306 at gmail.com (Amol Jadhav)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:47:17 +0530
Subject: [Vimperator] Input boxes
In-Reply-To: <6eebba490811210610q2da4b0a7k5c271fcf21e33cc8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76eccaa60811172027i64eb0bbeqb87fd79625bf668d@mail.gmail.com>
	<49227A71.6000206@vimperator.org>
	<5c2c86e70811180048n62b56c9cle19723d39c51c600@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811180333y7fc0d290na639f30d39ecf249@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70811180548s33c1d274m95f21ac8b5a52d1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811180746j655ed43dia20a4c06d7417611@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811210547s77d2969cu7e67f85136765ae9@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811210548v65116c37r43e696a8ed1ffb09@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811210610q2da4b0a7k5c271fcf21e33cc8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76eccaa60811210617v2461ebdcr54830395ab1ebb65@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Does [fsk] mean that
> f : go to friend,
> s: toggle star
> k: item up
> ?

:-)

Please tell me your setting.


I'm using FF 3.0.4 and Vimperator 1.2. I have downloaded and installed both
feedSomeKeys.js and feedSomeKeys2.js

--
Amol
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From teramako at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 06:53:59 2008
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:53:59 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] Input boxes
In-Reply-To: <76eccaa60811210617v2461ebdcr54830395ab1ebb65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76eccaa60811172027i64eb0bbeqb87fd79625bf668d@mail.gmail.com>
	<49227A71.6000206@vimperator.org>
	<5c2c86e70811180048n62b56c9cle19723d39c51c600@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811180333y7fc0d290na639f30d39ecf249@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70811180548s33c1d274m95f21ac8b5a52d1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811180746j655ed43dia20a4c06d7417611@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811210547s77d2969cu7e67f85136765ae9@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811210548v65116c37r43e696a8ed1ffb09@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811210610q2da4b0a7k5c271fcf21e33cc8@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811210617v2461ebdcr54830395ab1ebb65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6eebba490811210653l2ef1a392vd76da94132d2fcb7@mail.gmail.com>

> I'm using FF 3.0.4 and Vimperator 1.2. I have downloaded and installed both
> feedSomeKeys.js and feedSomeKeys2.js

Don't install both files. Mybe these conflict.
Please use only eedSomeKeys_2.js which is easier than feedSomeKeys.js

and see the document on http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/48
and write the followiing into ~/.vimperatorrc
-----
autocmd LocationChange .* :fmapc
autocmd LocationChange ^http://www\.google\.com/reader/ :fmap! -vkey v
j k n p m s t v A r S N P X J K O gf gh ga gs gt gu u / ?
----
This means that
at first, clear maps at every time location changed
second, set feedmaps following key list with virtual-key mode when the
location is matched ^http://www\.google\.com/reader/


----
teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/

From amolj.1306 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 07:18:22 2008
From: amolj.1306 at gmail.com (Amol Jadhav)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:48:22 +0530
Subject: [Vimperator] Input boxes
In-Reply-To: <6eebba490811210653l2ef1a392vd76da94132d2fcb7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76eccaa60811172027i64eb0bbeqb87fd79625bf668d@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70811180048n62b56c9cle19723d39c51c600@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811180333y7fc0d290na639f30d39ecf249@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70811180548s33c1d274m95f21ac8b5a52d1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811180746j655ed43dia20a4c06d7417611@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811210547s77d2969cu7e67f85136765ae9@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811210548v65116c37r43e696a8ed1ffb09@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811210610q2da4b0a7k5c271fcf21e33cc8@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811210617v2461ebdcr54830395ab1ebb65@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811210653l2ef1a392vd76da94132d2fcb7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76eccaa60811210718t60897aeelaf157d1cf3818700@mail.gmail.com>

I tried to :feedmap <enter> and :feedmap -vkey <enter> one by one to open a
mail using either <enter> or <shift>+<enter> but non solved my problem

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:23 PM, M. Terada <teramako at gmail.com> wrote:

> > I'm using FF 3.0.4 and Vimperator 1.2. I have downloaded and installed
> both
> > feedSomeKeys.js and feedSomeKeys2.js
>
> Don't install both files. Mybe these conflict.
> Please use only eedSomeKeys_2.js which is easier than feedSomeKeys.js
>
> and see the document on http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/48
> and write the followiing into ~/.vimperatorrc
> -----
> autocmd LocationChange .* :fmapc
> autocmd LocationChange ^http://www\.google\.com/reader/ :fmap! -vkey v
> j k n p m s t v A r S N P X J K O gf gh ga gs gt gu u / ?
> ----
> This means that
> at first, clear maps at every time location changed
> second, set feedmaps following key list with virtual-key mode when the
> location is matched ^http://www\.google\.com/reader/
>
>
> ----
> teramako
> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
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From ervandew at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 07:27:53 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:27:53 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Restoring focus to current frame after leaving
	command line mode.
In-Reply-To: <a48155040811202242n3d663feeyf217689db4a8737f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <afa9caf10811202116na9019f1o50a363169b8b1d59@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811202242n3d663feeyf217689db4a8737f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <afa9caf10811210727g3c3d466cxcf04359717fdd7b@mail.gmail.com>

> Hm. First suggestion, try to forget that you're a Java programmer. I
> fear you may be scarred for life.

My current day job is all python, so the scars are fading fast.

> Well, honestly, I'm not the best person to give feedback or
> suggestions. I did fix this, and other related bugs. See that
> changeset for the only kind of feedback I'm really good at.

Just tried out the latest head and it works like a champ.  Now I
should be able to submit my wincmd plugin later today.

I'll have to take a look at the changes you made when I get a chance.


--
eric

From nemolivier at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 07:54:28 2008
From: nemolivier at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Olivier_Gu=C3=A9ry?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:54:28 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Input boxes
In-Reply-To: <76eccaa60811210718t60897aeelaf157d1cf3818700@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76eccaa60811172027i64eb0bbeqb87fd79625bf668d@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811180333y7fc0d290na639f30d39ecf249@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70811180548s33c1d274m95f21ac8b5a52d1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811180746j655ed43dia20a4c06d7417611@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811210547s77d2969cu7e67f85136765ae9@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811210548v65116c37r43e696a8ed1ffb09@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811210610q2da4b0a7k5c271fcf21e33cc8@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811210617v2461ebdcr54830395ab1ebb65@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811210653l2ef1a392vd76da94132d2fcb7@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811210718t60897aeelaf157d1cf3818700@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c2c86e70811210754i6b16623fs518b33dedfbccca2@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/21 Amol Jadhav <amolj.1306 at gmail.com>:
> I tried to :feedmap <enter> and :feedmap -vkey <enter> one by one to open a
> mail using either <enter> or <shift>+<enter> but non solved my problem
>
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:23 PM, M. Terada <teramako at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm using FF 3.0.4 and Vimperator 1.2. I have downloaded and installed
>> > both
>> > feedSomeKeys.js and feedSomeKeys2.js
>>
>> Don't install both files. Mybe these conflict.
>> Please use only eedSomeKeys_2.js which is easier than feedSomeKeys.js
>>
>> and see the document on http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/48
>> and write the followiing into ~/.vimperatorrc
>> -----
>> autocmd LocationChange .* :fmapc
>> autocmd LocationChange ^http://www\.google\.com/reader/ :fmap! -vkey v
>> j k n p m s t v A r S N P X J K O gf gh ga gs gt gu u / ?

I still can't get it to work with gmail? can it be linked to the fact
that gmail use https ?
I use this in my vimperatorrc :

:autocmd LocationChange .* :fmapc
:autocmd LocationChange mail\\.google\\.com/mail :fmap -depth 4 c / j
k n p o u e x s r a # [ ] z ? gi gs gt gd ga gc

Olivier

-- 
[Message tap? sur un clavier B?po : http://www.clavier-dvorak.org ]
http://nemolivier.blogspot.com

From disperse.recording at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 07:13:21 2008
From: disperse.recording at gmail.com (Mark McKnight)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:13:21 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 1.2 and Pass Through Mode Issues In
	Gmail
Message-ID: <dedfcd950811210713j5ffd2212uc5f66af9bd53576d@mail.gmail.com>

I have my _vimperatorrc set with the following line to automatically go into
Pass Through Mode for gmail:

autocmd LocationChange .* :js
modes.passAllKeys=/mail\.google\.com/.test(buffer.URL)

I also have the problem where the focus doesn't seem to be on my mail list
for navigating with Gmail's keyboard shortcuts.  My workaround is to hit the
"Tab" key whenever I reach the Gmail page, this changes the focus to the
mail list and the shortcut keys (j, k, x, e, o, etc.) work again.  I often
need to hit the Tab key again after sending a new mail message or returning
(g i) to the inbox.

Hope that helps,

Mark.
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From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Nov 21 07:46:02 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:46:02 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Restoring focus to current frame after leaving
 command line mode.
In-Reply-To: <afa9caf10811210727g3c3d466cxcf04359717fdd7b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <afa9caf10811202116na9019f1o50a363169b8b1d59@mail.gmail.com>	<a48155040811202242n3d663feeyf217689db4a8737f@mail.gmail.com>
	<afa9caf10811210727g3c3d466cxcf04359717fdd7b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4926D7BA.1040906@vimperator.org>

On 2008-11-21 16:27, Eric Van Dewoestine wrote:

> Just tried out the latest head and it works like a champ.  Now I
> should be able to submit my wincmd plugin later today.

Hu? :wincmd? Isn't that just useful with split windows?

> I'll have to take a look at the changes you made when I get a chance.


It will probably please you, if you are a rather functional-style python programmer.
If not, it's sometimes hard to read lines like: 

return cacheResults[key] = this[method].apply(this, [cacheResults[key], filter].concat(Array.slice(arguments, 4)));

:)

--
Marin

PS: No offense to Kris, I mostly like his coding (the new modes.js file e.g. is much nicer now!), it's just
hard for me to read certain lines where the words flatten/concat/slice appear at least 2 times on a line,
preferably with one-letter variables :)

PPS: isn't apply(this, ...) the same as call(), which is again the same as:
this[method](...) which would be much more readable?

PPPS: I'll try to use named objects rather than unnamed arrays for certain things like completions
objects, this should make the code even more readable in many cases.

From teramako at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 08:40:41 2008
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:40:41 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] Input boxes
In-Reply-To: <5c2c86e70811210754i6b16623fs518b33dedfbccca2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76eccaa60811172027i64eb0bbeqb87fd79625bf668d@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70811180548s33c1d274m95f21ac8b5a52d1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811180746j655ed43dia20a4c06d7417611@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811210547s77d2969cu7e67f85136765ae9@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811210548v65116c37r43e696a8ed1ffb09@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811210610q2da4b0a7k5c271fcf21e33cc8@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811210617v2461ebdcr54830395ab1ebb65@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811210653l2ef1a392vd76da94132d2fcb7@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811210718t60897aeelaf157d1cf3818700@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70811210754i6b16623fs518b33dedfbccca2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6eebba490811210840u62c90632p6447262aebe571ec@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/21 Amol Jadhav <amolj.1306 at gmail.com>:
> I tried to :feedmap <enter> and :feedmap -vkey <enter> one by one to open a
> mail using either <enter> or <shift>+<enter> but non solved my problem
Oh sorry, this is a bug, cannot use <enter> at now
and vimperator has this bug too.


On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:54 AM, Olivier Gu?ry <nemolivier at gmail.com> wrote:
> I still can't get it to work with gmail? can it be linked to the fact
> that gmail use https ?
> I use this in my vimperatorrc :
>
> :autocmd LocationChange .* :fmapc
> :autocmd LocationChange mail\\.google\\.com/mail :fmap -depth 4 c / j
> k n p o u e x s r a # [ ] z ? gi gs gt gd ga gc
Here is my setting
-------
autocmd LocationChange .* :fmapc
autocmd LocationChange ^https?://mail\\.google\\.com/mail :fmap! -d 4
c / y j k n p o u e x s r a # [ ] z ? gi gs gt gd ga gc
autocmd LocationChange ^http://www\\.google\\.com/reader/ :fmap! -vkey
J K O v j k n p m s t v A r S N P X gf gh ga gs gt gu u / ?
-------
This works well in my environment :)

Vimperator 2.0pre (created: 2008/11/22 00:23:54) running on:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; ja; rv:1.9.0.4) Gecko/2008102920 Firefox/3.0.4

I don't know why your setting doesn't work ...it seems to be good

teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/

From ervandew at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 08:43:35 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:43:35 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Restoring focus to current frame after leaving
	command line mode.
In-Reply-To: <4926D7BA.1040906@vimperator.org>
References: <afa9caf10811202116na9019f1o50a363169b8b1d59@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811202242n3d663feeyf217689db4a8737f@mail.gmail.com>
	<afa9caf10811210727g3c3d466cxcf04359717fdd7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4926D7BA.1040906@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <afa9caf10811210843l69e6e2ax4b37489161c600f1@mail.gmail.com>

> Hu? :wincmd? Isn't that just useful with split windows?

It's actually very useful for navigating frames.  I've always found [f
and ]f awkward for moving around frames since it navigates based on
the order that the frames are defined rather than allowing me to
navigate based on the display.

For instance, when on a javadoc page[1], navigating to the
"classFrame" with ]f involves "]f]f]f", after each one watching to see
which frame vimperator chose as the next one to focus.  Obviously, you
can shorten the above to "3]f", but to get the 3 in this instance, I
need to either be familiar with the frame ordering on the page I'm
visiting or stop and think about how the frames are defined, both of
which potentially slow down my navigation of the page.

On the other hand, having wincmd functionality for frames feels very
natural after years of vim usage.  To focus the "classFrame" on a
javadoc page comes instinctively as "<c-w>l".

I have thought about the potential confusion, should split windows
become common in vimperator (I believe there is a vimperator plugin
which integrates with a firefox addon to provide this).  To solve that
I may just update the plugin later to check for split windows and
attempt to treat them like frames, and to potentially add more "<c-w>"
commands for resizing, moving, etc.


[1] http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/api/index.html

--
eric

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 08:56:40 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:56:40 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Restoring focus to current frame after leaving
	command line mode.
In-Reply-To: <4926D7BA.1040906@vimperator.org>
References: <afa9caf10811202116na9019f1o50a363169b8b1d59@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811202242n3d663feeyf217689db4a8737f@mail.gmail.com>
	<afa9caf10811210727g3c3d466cxcf04359717fdd7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4926D7BA.1040906@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <a48155040811210856v2415bdfexe767e80719f9aefb@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Martin Stubenschrott
<maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
> PS: No offense to Kris, I mostly like his coding (the new modes.js file e.g. is much nicer now!), it's just
> hard for me to read certain lines where the words flatten/concat/slice appear at least 2 times on a line,
> preferably with one-letter variables :)

Yeah... I'm working on that...

> PPS: isn't apply(this, ...) the same as call(), which is again the same as:
> this[method](...) which would be much more readable?

Well, yes, except that it takes an array to transform into the
argument list, which is necessary there because it concats the extra
arguments to the two default arguments.

From nemolivier at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 00:12:20 2008
From: nemolivier at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Olivier_Gu=C3=A9ry?=)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:12:20 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Input boxes
In-Reply-To: <6eebba490811210840u62c90632p6447262aebe571ec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76eccaa60811172027i64eb0bbeqb87fd79625bf668d@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811180746j655ed43dia20a4c06d7417611@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811210547s77d2969cu7e67f85136765ae9@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811210548v65116c37r43e696a8ed1ffb09@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811210610q2da4b0a7k5c271fcf21e33cc8@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811210617v2461ebdcr54830395ab1ebb65@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811210653l2ef1a392vd76da94132d2fcb7@mail.gmail.com>
	<76eccaa60811210718t60897aeelaf157d1cf3818700@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70811210754i6b16623fs518b33dedfbccca2@mail.gmail.com>
	<6eebba490811210840u62c90632p6447262aebe571ec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c2c86e70811220012x5a0a99b4u9e4b93ba568f457d@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/21 M. Terada <teramako at gmail.com>:
> 2008/11/21 Amol Jadhav <amolj.1306 at gmail.com>:
>> I tried to :feedmap <enter> and :feedmap -vkey <enter> one by one to open a
>> mail using either <enter> or <shift>+<enter> but non solved my problem
> Oh sorry, this is a bug, cannot use <enter> at now
> and vimperator has this bug too.
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:54 AM, Olivier Gu?ry <nemolivier at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I still can't get it to work with gmail? can it be linked to the fact
>> that gmail use https ?
>> I use this in my vimperatorrc :
>>
>> :autocmd LocationChange .* :fmapc
>> :autocmd LocationChange mail\\.google\\.com/mail :fmap -depth 4 c / j
>> k n p o u e x s r a # [ ] z ? gi gs gt gd ga gc
> Here is my setting
> -------
> autocmd LocationChange .* :fmapc
> autocmd LocationChange ^https?://mail\\.google\\.com/mail :fmap! -d 4
> c / y j k n p o u e x s r a # [ ] z ? gi gs gt gd ga gc
> autocmd LocationChange ^http://www\\.google\\.com/reader/ :fmap! -vkey
> J K O v j k n p m s t v A r S N P X gf gh ga gs gt gu u / ?
> -------
> This works well in my environment :)
>
> Vimperator 2.0pre (created: 2008/11/22 00:23:54) running on:
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; ja; rv:1.9.0.4) Gecko/2008102920 Firefox/3.0.4
>
> I don't know why your setting doesn't work ...it seems to be good

I copy/paste your code it seems better. Maybe the problems was that I
put ? autocmd LocationChange .* :fmapc  ? a second time before the
gmail part ?

Thank's a lot. This solution is definitly the best for me, using gmail/reader.
Can't it be a patch in the official code ?

Regards,
Olivier.



-- 
[Message tap? sur un clavier B?po : http://www.clavier-dvorak.org ]
http://nemolivier.blogspot.com

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 00:46:40 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:46:40 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Keyboard shortcuts questions
Message-ID: <880dece00811220046t77b4c12fob3c1b1790161a3a9@mail.gmail.com>

I have found a bug in my hebrew.vimp script so I am trying to improve it.

1) Does the apostrophe key (') have a shortcut in Vimperator? It
doesn't seem to have one, and I cannot find it in TFM, however I
thought that it was a form of search (it is in regular Firefox, at
least).

2) These other keys I cannot find shortcuts for, but I want to be sure
before I reassign them (yes, they are in different places on the
Hebrew keyboard): semicolon (;) comma (,) period (.) angled brackets
(< and >) tick (`).

As a side note, I have added some UTF-8 characters to my .sig to help
me identify encoding problems. So if you have access to non-UTF-8
systems I would really appreciate if you would simply reply to this
message with the 'wrong' encoding so that I can receive the gibberish
that results. Thanks!

Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-??-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 01:02:55 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:02:55 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] Keyboard shortcuts questions
In-Reply-To: <880dece00811220046t77b4c12fob3c1b1790161a3a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811220046t77b4c12fob3c1b1790161a3a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0811220102k19d76915xba3c860dd3885be3@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/22/08, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have found a bug in my hebrew.vimp script so I am trying to improve it.
>
>  1) Does the apostrophe key (') have a shortcut in Vimperator? It
>  doesn't seem to have one, and I cannot find it in TFM, however I
>  thought that it was a form of search (it is in regular Firefox, at
>  least).

' is used for jumping to local marks.

:help ' didn't take you to the appropriate section?

>  2) These other keys I cannot find shortcuts for, but I want to be sure
>  before I reassign them (yes, they are in different places on the
>  Hebrew keyboard): semicolon (;) comma (,) period (.) angled brackets
>  (< and >) tick (`).

` is currently the same as '

The others are unlikely to be used by default anytime soon.

Regards,
Doug

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 01:21:39 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:21:39 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Keyboard shortcuts questions
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0811220102k19d76915xba3c860dd3885be3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00811220046t77b4c12fob3c1b1790161a3a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0811220102k19d76915xba3c860dd3885be3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811220121g78a206cai105b4b211e2173cf@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/22 Doug Kearns <dougkearns at gmail.com>:
> ' is used for jumping to local marks.
>
> :help ' didn't take you to the appropriate section?
>

I did no realize that was possible! It certainly would have saved me a
post. Thanks!

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-??-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From stanio at cs.tu-berlin.de  Sat Nov 22 07:35:30 2008
From: stanio at cs.tu-berlin.de (Stanimir Dragiev)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:35:30 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] camel case
In-Reply-To: <20080926180201.GA6138@laptop>
References: <20080926143035.GA14040@bruja.cs.tu-berlin.de>
	<20080926180201.GA6138@laptop>
Message-ID: <20081122153530.GA4999@fiesta.cs.tu-berlin.de>

Hi,

It's a pretty old thread, but still relevant for me

* Daniel Trstenjak <Daniel.Trstenjak at online.de> [2008-09-26 21:02]:
> With the current hintmatcher that's not possible.
> What about writing a 'camelcasestartswith' hintmatcher? :)



The problem
-----------

The idea of camel case words is that you interpret them as multiple words.
When you use the `wordstartswith` matcher this becomes a problem. Because
words are separated according to a list of separator characters, which
contain e.g. space, underscore, colon, etc. Well, CamelCaseWords do not
contain separators. And if you expect by typing _fccw_ to match the capital
letters in _CamelCaseWord_, you either fail to select anything, or most
probably select something else, possibly with hazardous results (e.g.
_click to close window_).

Clearly, for the `wordstartswith` matcher I need mechanism to split camel
case words. But I think, the interpretation of camel case words as separate
words is pretty common, thus, all matching strategy can make use of such
splitting mechanism. 

The solution
------------

Couple of days ago I took a look at the `hint.js` module in the
Vimperator sources and spent some time reasoning how can I add support
for splitting _camelCase_ into _camel Case_ before the matcher does his
work, in order to be able to use matchers' full power on the separated
words too.

I came up with a couple of lines patch. Surprisingly simple. You can find
it attached to this message.

I think, it is a good practice to have single place to convert the link
text to lower case.  Immediately before doing this we can split the camel
case words if the user has set the option. 

Hope this helps others too. 

-- 
 cheers
 stanio_
-------------- next part --------------
diff --git a/content/hints.js b/content/hints.js
index cd6225f..7add66b 100644
--- a/content/hints.js
+++ b/content/hints.js
@@ -138,22 +138,27 @@ function Hints() //{{{
             // TODO: mozilla docs recommend localName instead of tagName
             tagname = elem.tagName.toLowerCase();
             if (tagname == "input" || tagname == "textarea")
-                text = elem.value.toLowerCase();
+                text = elem.value;
             else if (tagname == "select")
             {
                 if (elem.selectedIndex >= 0)
-                    text = elem.item(elem.selectedIndex).text.toLowerCase();
+                    text = elem.item(elem.selectedIndex).text;
                 else
                     text = "";
             }
             else
-                text = elem.textContent.toLowerCase();
+                text = elem.textContent;
 
             span = baseNodeAbsolute.cloneNode(true);
             span.style.left = (rect.left + scrollX) + "px";
             span.style.top = (rect.top + scrollY) + "px";
             fragment.appendChild(span);
 
+            if (options["camelmatching"])
+            {
+                text = text.replace(/([a-z])([A-Z])/g, "$1 $2");
+            }
+            text = text.toLowerCase();
             pageHints.push([elem, text, span, null, elem.style.backgroundColor, elem.style.color]);
         }
 
@@ -587,6 +592,10 @@ function Hints() //{{{
             validator: function (value) /^(contains|wordstartswith|firstletters|custom)$/.test(value)
         });
 
+    options.add(["camelmatching", "cam"],
+        "Whether to consider capital letters in the middle of word as word start.",
+        "boolean", true);
+
     options.add(["wordseparators", "wsp"],
         "How words are split for hintmatching",
         "string", '[.,!?:;/"^$%&?()[\\]{}<>#*+|=~ _-]');
diff --git a/locale/en-US/options.txt b/locale/en-US/options.txt
index d29ccec..133ade2 100644
--- a/locale/en-US/options.txt
+++ b/locale/en-US/options.txt
@@ -357,6 +357,13 @@ Change the hint matching algorithm during hint mode. Possible values:
 ____
 
 
+|\'cam'| |\'camelmatching'| |\'nocam'| |\'nocamelmatching'|
+||'camelmatching'|| boolean (default: on)
+____
+When using the matching algorithm, consider the parts of a camel cased word as separate words (e.g. "FourCamelCaseWords" is considered equal to "Four Camel Case Words")
+____
+
+
 |\'fh'| |\'followhints'|
 ||'followhints' 'fh'|| number (default: 0)
 ____

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 13:10:08 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:10:08 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] camel case
In-Reply-To: <20081122153530.GA4999@fiesta.cs.tu-berlin.de>
References: <20080926143035.GA14040@bruja.cs.tu-berlin.de>
	<20080926180201.GA6138@laptop>
	<20081122153530.GA4999@fiesta.cs.tu-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <a48155040811221310k33dcf00btd72a5c7a891564c1@mail.gmail.com>

It's not necessary. Just add (?=[A-Z]) to 'wordseparators'.

From benisty.e at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 06:14:06 2008
From: benisty.e at gmail.com (Emmanuel Benisty)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:14:06 +0700
Subject: [Vimperator] Permanent Hint mode
Message-ID: <c1f41c620811230614w7f3c426cj5eb97013283caa1a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi list,

In the past, there was a permanent Hint mode (activated with ;F) but I
can't figure out how to use it anymore with the latest nightly (I was
using a build from Oct 20 before that). Could anyone please show me
the light?

TIA

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 06:53:30 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 01:53:30 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] Permanent Hint mode
In-Reply-To: <c1f41c620811230614w7f3c426cj5eb97013283caa1a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1f41c620811230614w7f3c426cj5eb97013283caa1a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0811230653y61095ff1ve7c0d79c43a00683@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Emmanuel Benisty <benisty.e at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> In the past, there was a permanent Hint mode (activated with ;F) but I
> can't figure out how to use it anymore with the latest nightly (I was
> using a build from Oct 20 before that). Could anyone please show me
> the light?

I believe that feature has been extinguished...so there is only darkness.

Doug

From benisty.e at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 07:10:09 2008
From: benisty.e at gmail.com (Emmanuel Benisty)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:10:09 +0700
Subject: [Vimperator] Permanent Hint mode
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0811230653y61095ff1ve7c0d79c43a00683@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1f41c620811230614w7f3c426cj5eb97013283caa1a@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0811230653y61095ff1ve7c0d79c43a00683@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1f41c620811230710p69f8b04dod576f684da626ba2@mail.gmail.com>

> I believe that feature has been extinguished...so there is only darkness.

Thanks for your reply Doug (even if it's a sad one :) ). That was a
nice feature, especially when browsing forums...

Cheers

From Daniel.Trstenjak at online.de  Sun Nov 23 10:28:19 2008
From: Daniel.Trstenjak at online.de (Daniel Trstenjak)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:28:19 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] camel case
In-Reply-To: <a48155040811221310k33dcf00btd72a5c7a891564c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080926143035.GA14040@bruja.cs.tu-berlin.de>
	<20080926180201.GA6138@laptop>
	<20081122153530.GA4999@fiesta.cs.tu-berlin.de>
	<a48155040811221310k33dcf00btd72a5c7a891564c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081123182819.GC6112@laptop>


Hi Kris,

On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 04:10:08PM -0500, Kris Maglione wrote:
> It's not necessary. Just add (?=[A-Z]) to 'wordseparators'.

No, because the word separators are removed by the splitting.


Greetings,
Daniel 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Sun Nov 23 11:02:29 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:02:29 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Minefield crashing after git "search keyword
	completion" changeset
Message-ID: <4929A8C5.70306@tedpavlic.com>

Has anyone noticed that Minefield(/Firefox) crashes soon after startup 
after applying the latest update:

	"Turn search keyword completion back on"

? When I have this Vimp changeset applied and start Minefield, soon 
after I click on a tab or the background or try to type something, 
Minefield stalls and then dies.

When I go back one changeset (to "Speed up completions. Fix 
Structcommands..."), then everything works fine.

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 12:10:32 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:10:32 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] camel case
In-Reply-To: <20081123182819.GC6112@laptop>
References: <20080926143035.GA14040@bruja.cs.tu-berlin.de>
	<20080926180201.GA6138@laptop>
	<20081122153530.GA4999@fiesta.cs.tu-berlin.de>
	<a48155040811221310k33dcf00btd72a5c7a891564c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081123182819.GC6112@laptop>
Message-ID: <a48155040811231210mb9b0a52le9aa097b307bbdfc@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Daniel Trstenjak
<Daniel.Trstenjak at online.de> wrote:
> No, because the word separators are removed by the splitting.

That's true, but (?=) is a zero-width assertion.

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 15:45:08 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:45:08 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Minefield crashing after git "search keyword
	completion" changeset
In-Reply-To: <4929A8C5.70306@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4929A8C5.70306@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <a48155040811231545y763903d1w2a907c6a0a032d02@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
> Has anyone noticed that Minefield(/Firefox) crashes soon after startup after
> applying the latest update:
>
>        "Turn search keyword completion back on"
>
> ? When I have this Vimp changeset applied and start Minefield, soon after I
> click on a tab or the background or try to type something, Minefield stalls
> and then dies.
>
> When I go back one changeset (to "Speed up completions. Fix
> Structcommands..."), then everything works fine.

That's strange. That changeset shouldn't have affected startup in the
least. The only place time should possibly see problems is during
completion. It works fine for me.

P.S., Can you please state the FF version, rather than its code name
in the future? Thanks.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Nov 24 04:50:40 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:50:40 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Minefield crashing after git "search keyword
 completion" changeset
In-Reply-To: <a48155040811231545y763903d1w2a907c6a0a032d02@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4929A8C5.70306@tedpavlic.com>
	<a48155040811231545y763903d1w2a907c6a0a032d02@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492AA320.4040402@tedpavlic.com>

>> When I go back one changeset (to "Speed up completions. Fix
>> Structcommands..."), then everything works fine.
> 
> That's strange. That changeset shouldn't have affected startup in the
> least. The only place time should possibly see problems is during
> completion. It works fine for me.

The latest batch of changesets (8 of them) seems to fix things for me.

Perhaps it has something to do with how many bookmarks I have? <?> Or 
something strange in my browser history?

> P.S., Can you please state the FF version, rather than its code name
> in the future? Thanks.

I'm sorry. I should have been more specific. I was using the latest 
nightly (or at least the latest nightly that gets pushed via ":dialog 
checkupdates") of 3.1b2pre:

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.1b2pre) 
Gecko/20081121 Minefield/3.1b2pre

Thanks --
Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Mon Nov 24 06:27:47 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:27:47 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Minefield crashing after git "search keyword
	completion" changeset
In-Reply-To: <492AA320.4040402@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4929A8C5.70306@tedpavlic.com>
	<a48155040811231545y763903d1w2a907c6a0a032d02@mail.gmail.com>
	<492AA320.4040402@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100811240627j1ff34d5bub206ab7adb46a758@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe it has/had something to do that :dialog searchengines kept
crashing my Firefox, so that might be a Firefox regression in recent
nightlies?

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
>>> When I go back one changeset (to "Speed up completions. Fix
>>> Structcommands..."), then everything works fine.
>>
>> That's strange. That changeset shouldn't have affected startup in the
>> least. The only place time should possibly see problems is during
>> completion. It works fine for me.
>
> The latest batch of changesets (8 of them) seems to fix things for me.
>
> Perhaps it has something to do with how many bookmarks I have? <?> Or
> something strange in my browser history?
>
>> P.S., Can you please state the FF version, rather than its code name
>> in the future? Thanks.
>
> I'm sorry. I should have been more specific. I was using the latest nightly
> (or at least the latest nightly that gets pushed via ":dialog checkupdates")
> of 3.1b2pre:
>
> Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.1b2pre)
> Gecko/20081121 Minefield/3.1b2pre
>
> Thanks --
> Ted
>
>
> --
> Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 11:32:15 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:32:15 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Minefield crashing after git "search keyword
	completion" changeset
In-Reply-To: <aaae92100811240627j1ff34d5bub206ab7adb46a758@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4929A8C5.70306@tedpavlic.com>
	<a48155040811231545y763903d1w2a907c6a0a032d02@mail.gmail.com>
	<492AA320.4040402@tedpavlic.com>
	<aaae92100811240627j1ff34d5bub206ab7adb46a758@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a48155040811241132u39db0c8ay7954eb93d3d87c0c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Martin Stubenschrott
<maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
> Maybe it has/had something to do that :dialog searchengines kept
> crashing my Firefox, so that might be a Firefox regression in recent
> nightlies?

That seems likely. The hg tree is pretty unstable.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Nov 24 11:48:13 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:48:13 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Minefield crashing after git "search keyword
 completion" changeset
In-Reply-To: <a48155040811241132u39db0c8ay7954eb93d3d87c0c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4929A8C5.70306@tedpavlic.com>
	<a48155040811231545y763903d1w2a907c6a0a032d02@mail.gmail.com>
	<492AA320.4040402@tedpavlic.com>
	<aaae92100811240627j1ff34d5bub206ab7adb46a758@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811241132u39db0c8ay7954eb93d3d87c0c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492B04FD.1020200@tedpavlic.com>

>> Maybe it has/had something to do that :dialog searchengines kept
>> crashing my Firefox, so that might be a Firefox regression in recent
>> nightlies?
> 
> That seems likely. The hg tree is pretty unstable.

Do either of you have a suggestion about how to obtain the "most stable" 
   Minefield?

That is, the only reason I'm using FF3.1 is because I want to use 
Vimperator, and it looks like Vimperator is most compatible with FF3.1. 
I was assuming that I should just get the latest FF3.1 nightlies in 
order to keep up to date. Is there a better protocol if all I want is a 
support platform for Vimperator updates?

Thanks --
Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From Daniel.Trstenjak at online.de  Mon Nov 24 11:56:34 2008
From: Daniel.Trstenjak at online.de (Daniel Trstenjak)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:56:34 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] camel case
In-Reply-To: <a48155040811231210mb9b0a52le9aa097b307bbdfc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080926143035.GA14040@bruja.cs.tu-berlin.de>
	<20080926180201.GA6138@laptop>
	<20081122153530.GA4999@fiesta.cs.tu-berlin.de>
	<a48155040811221310k33dcf00btd72a5c7a891564c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081123182819.GC6112@laptop>
	<a48155040811231210mb9b0a52le9aa097b307bbdfc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081124195634.GA6873@laptop>

On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 03:10:32PM -0500, Kris Maglione wrote:
> That's true, but (?=) is a zero-width assertion.

Ok, I tried it, but it doesn't work.

From stanio at cs.tu-berlin.de  Mon Nov 24 13:08:40 2008
From: stanio at cs.tu-berlin.de (Stanimir Dragiev)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:08:40 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] camel case
In-Reply-To: <20081124195634.GA6873@laptop>
References: <20080926143035.GA14040@bruja.cs.tu-berlin.de>
	<20080926180201.GA6138@laptop>
	<20081122153530.GA4999@fiesta.cs.tu-berlin.de>
	<a48155040811221310k33dcf00btd72a5c7a891564c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081123182819.GC6112@laptop>
	<a48155040811231210mb9b0a52le9aa097b307bbdfc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081124195634.GA6873@laptop>
Message-ID: <20081124210840.GB5933@fiesta.cs.tu-berlin.de>

* Daniel Trstenjak <Daniel.Trstenjak at online.de> [2008-11-24 20:56]:
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 03:10:32PM -0500, Kris Maglione wrote:
> > That's true, but (?=) is a zero-width assertion.
> 
> Ok, I tried it, but it doesn't work.

Doesn't work for me too. But I'm not familiar with (?=), so I'm not
sure I use it in the right way.

BTW, does anybody know a more general way to specify "lower case followed
by upper case letter" than [a-z][A-Z]. I mean one which would work with
other scripts too (Cyrillic, Greek or whatever ...).

-- 
 cheers
 stanio_

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 13:42:09 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:42:09 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] camel case
In-Reply-To: <20081124195634.GA6873@laptop>
References: <20080926143035.GA14040@bruja.cs.tu-berlin.de>
	<20080926180201.GA6138@laptop>
	<20081122153530.GA4999@fiesta.cs.tu-berlin.de>
	<a48155040811221310k33dcf00btd72a5c7a891564c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081123182819.GC6112@laptop>
	<a48155040811231210mb9b0a52le9aa097b307bbdfc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081124195634.GA6873@laptop>
Message-ID: <a48155040811241342v1a2a0f1if6aede969e557791@mail.gmail.com>

> Ok, I tried it, but it doesn't work.

You need to use a recent snapshot. I made a change to lower-case the
link text after splitting.

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 13:47:22 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:47:22 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Minefield crashing after git "search keyword
	completion" changeset
In-Reply-To: <492B04FD.1020200@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4929A8C5.70306@tedpavlic.com>
	<a48155040811231545y763903d1w2a907c6a0a032d02@mail.gmail.com>
	<492AA320.4040402@tedpavlic.com>
	<aaae92100811240627j1ff34d5bub206ab7adb46a758@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811241132u39db0c8ay7954eb93d3d87c0c@mail.gmail.com>
	<492B04FD.1020200@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <a48155040811241347p4fc5153g569ab53ec40ca6a8@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
> Do either of you have a suggestion about how to obtain the "most stable"
>  Minefield?
>
> That is, the only reason I'm using FF3.1 is because I want to use
> Vimperator, and it looks like Vimperator is most compatible with FF3.1. I
> was assuming that I should just get the latest FF3.1 nightlies in order to
> keep up to date. Is there a better protocol if all I want is a support
> platform for Vimperator updates?

Vimperator runs fine on 3.0. I'd really only suggest using 3.1 if you want JIT.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Nov 24 17:15:24 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:15:24 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] set cpt=lf in Vimp_pre
Message-ID: <492B51AC.50104@tedpavlic.com>

Does this make sense...

	As of the latest Vimp_2.0pre,

:set cpt=l          works
:set cpt+=l         works
:set cpt=f          works
:set cpt+=f         gives "Invalid argument" error
:set cpt=lf         gives "Invalid argument" error
:set cpt+=lf        gives "Invalid argument" error

I know that cpt is being worked on right now. Is this result expected at 
the moment?

	Thanks --
	Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 17:48:35 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:48:35 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] set cpt=lf in Vimp_pre
In-Reply-To: <492B51AC.50104@tedpavlic.com>
References: <492B51AC.50104@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <a48155040811241748w299fb636nf44114e3150fef03@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, fixed.

From ervandew at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 20:55:40 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:55:40 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] noscript plugin patch
Message-ID: <afa9caf10811242055s84dcbf4nd297418bf68d8b2@mail.gmail.com>

This is primarily intended for Martin, but I figured I'd throw it up
on the mailing list anyways, just in case any other noscript users
would like to offer an opinion on the following noscript plugin patch.

I've rewritten most of the noscript plugin for vimperator with these
changes:
  - updated the :noscript command to take an argument specifying a
    noscript related action to perform.
  - removed default key mappings <leader>s and <leader>S with new
    noscript actions:
      :noscript toggletemp
      :noscript toggleperm
    The idea here is to let the user decide what key bindings they
    prefer to map.  For instance my preference is to have <leader>s
    map to the new 'popup' action.
  - added action to open the noscript popup:
    :noscript popup
    When open, you can now also navigate the menu entries using the
    typical vimperator bindings (j,k,l,h,gg,G).
  - printing of noscript information is now performed via the 'info'
    action:
    :noscript info

Note: my changes are against the latest vimperator head, but
vimperator completion seems to still be in flux, so the noscript
action completion may or may not work, depending on what state the
vimperator completion code happens to be in.  The plugin was also
tested against version 1.8.6 of NoScript.

Note: instead of a diff, I'm just attaching the new plugin, since all
but a couple lines have changed.

--
eric
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From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Tue Nov 25 00:14:16 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:14:16 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] noscript plugin patch
In-Reply-To: <afa9caf10811242055s84dcbf4nd297418bf68d8b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <afa9caf10811242055s84dcbf4nd297418bf68d8b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492BB3D8.70802@vimperator.org>

I changed the ownership of the script on vimperator.org to you, so feel free to take over
the script and upload any new versions, since I currently don't use noscript.

thanks for the update,

--
Martin

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Tue Nov 25 06:06:50 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:06:50 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :help completion in Vimp_pre on FF3.0.4
Message-ID: <492C067A.106@tedpavlic.com>

Using the latest Vimp_2.0pre on Firefox 3.0.4 on both Windows and OS X, 
Firefox ends up giving me the hourglass on Windows ("beachball" on OS X) 
and an "Application not responding" that I have to manually kill.

This occurs when I try to type:

:help hinttags

On OS X, it most often occurs between the help and the hinttags. On 
Windows, it seems to occur at random places in the middle of the help. 
In fact, sometimes I've been able to bring up ":help hinttags" successfully.

In my vimprc, I have:

	:set wildoptions=auto
	:set cpt=lf

Thoughts?

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Tue Nov 25 06:10:06 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:10:06 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :help completion in Vimp_pre on FF3.0.4
In-Reply-To: <492C067A.106@tedpavlic.com>
References: <492C067A.106@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <492C073E.4090104@tedpavlic.com>

This is probably overkill, but going WAY back to this changeset:

2008-11-23  maglione  <maglione>

         * src/content/commands.js, src/content/completion.js,
         src/content/editor.js, src/content/events.js,
         src/content/mappings.js, src/content/style.js,
         src/content/template.js, src/content/ui.js, src/content/util.js:
         Speed up completions. Fix Structcommands.jsdefaultValue in FF 3.0.
         Temporarilly name anonymous functions for profiling.
         [3279b92e11df]

Definitely fixes the problem. I haven't gone forward to pinpoint which 
changeset "causes" it.

--Ted

Ted Pavlic wrote:
> Using the latest Vimp_2.0pre on Firefox 3.0.4 on both Windows and OS X, 
> Firefox ends up giving me the hourglass on Windows ("beachball" on OS X) 
> and an "Application not responding" that I have to manually kill.
> 
> This occurs when I try to type:
> 
> :help hinttags
> 
> On OS X, it most often occurs between the help and the hinttags. On 
> Windows, it seems to occur at random places in the middle of the help. 
> In fact, sometimes I've been able to bring up ":help hinttags" successfully.
> 
> In my vimprc, I have:
> 
> 	:set wildoptions=auto
> 	:set cpt=lf
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> --Ted
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Tue Nov 25 06:18:22 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:18:22 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Multiple hints at once... (in tabs)
Message-ID: <492C092E.6010508@tedpavlic.com>

I'm sure this topic has been covered, but I'm not sure how to search for 
it, and I don't see anything in the help about it.

Is there a way to configure "f" (or "F") to follow a LIST of hints all 
at once in one tab? For example, something like

f1,2,3,4<cr>

would replace this tab with hint 1 and would open 3 new tabs with hints 
2, 3, and 4 (or perhaps replace existing tabs with 2, 3, and 4), and:

F1,2,3,4<cr>

would create four new tabs opening the four hints (1,2,3, and 4).

?

Also, I notice that (at least in the changeset I have loaded (see 
another message for why I'm not using the tip)) the "leader" doesn't 
seem to put me in "escape mode" where numbers are treated as letters. 
That is, I thought typing:

fbuff\1

would make the quickhint mode look for "buff1" on the page. Instead, it 
looks for "buff" and takes me to the hint labeled "1".

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From rogutes at googlemail.com  Tue Nov 25 07:03:54 2008
From: rogutes at googlemail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Rogut=C4=97s?=)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:03:54 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] 'defsearch'
Message-ID: <20081125150354.GA4256@ugu.dokeda.lt>

G'day, 

Is it known that 'defsearch' isn't working with the CVS version?
If I do :set defsearch=google, it always gives me this error:
  E474: Invalid argument: defsearch=google

Probably as a consequence of this, :open "search for this" doesn't work
either.

-- 
--  Rogut?s.

From ervandew at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 07:19:01 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:19:01 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] noscript plugin patch
In-Reply-To: <492BB3D8.70802@vimperator.org>
References: <afa9caf10811242055s84dcbf4nd297418bf68d8b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<492BB3D8.70802@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <afa9caf10811250719h3e8eac82nd410a1eceeaceaa3@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:14 AM, Martin Stubenschrott
<maxauthority at vimperator.org> wrote:
> I changed the ownership of the script on vimperator.org to you, so feel free to take over
> the script and upload any new versions, since I currently don't use noscript.
>
> thanks for the update,

Thanks Martin,

I'll upload the new version here soon.

--
eric

From teramako at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 07:19:15 2008
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:19:15 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] 'defsearch'
In-Reply-To: <20081125150354.GA4256@ugu.dokeda.lt>
References: <20081125150354.GA4256@ugu.dokeda.lt>
Message-ID: <6eebba490811250719i6c62c10bie9c633d3a59e4b50@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, developers.

Patch is here.
Please review and apply

diff --git a/content/bookmarks.js b/content/bookmarks.js
index f69410d..452824f 100644
--- a/content/bookmarks.js
+++ b/content/bookmarks.js
@@ -236,7 +236,7 @@ function Bookmarks() //{{{
             completer: function (filter) completion._url(filter, "s").items,
             validator: function (value)
             {
-                return completion._url("", "s").items.some(function
(s) s[0] == value);
+                return completion._url("", "s").items.some(function
(s) s.text == value);
             }
         });

Best regards.
----
teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/


On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Rogut?s <rogutes at googlemail.com> wrote:
> G'day,
>
> Is it known that 'defsearch' isn't working with the CVS version?
> If I do :set defsearch=google, it always gives me this error:
>  E474: Invalid argument: defsearch=google
>
> Probably as a consequence of this, :open "search for this" doesn't work
> either.
>
> --
> --  Rogut?s.
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 07:21:50 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:21:50 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] 'defsearch'
In-Reply-To: <6eebba490811250719i6c62c10bie9c633d3a59e4b50@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081125150354.GA4256@ugu.dokeda.lt>
	<6eebba490811250719i6c62c10bie9c633d3a59e4b50@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0811250721n39aa8736i744338876b855363@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/26/08, M. Terada <teramako at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, developers.
>
>  Patch is here.
>  Please review and apply

Thanks very much but I just beat you to it. :)

Doug

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 11:30:07 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:30:07 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] 'defsearch'
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0811250721n39aa8736i744338876b855363@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081125150354.GA4256@ugu.dokeda.lt>
	<6eebba490811250719i6c62c10bie9c633d3a59e4b50@mail.gmail.com>
	<644fc65e0811250721n39aa8736i744338876b855363@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a48155040811251130x2b1f255cha4ecf4bc9374b40b@mail.gmail.com>

This is what I get for not committing regularly. I fixed this yesterday.

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Nov 26 02:13:16 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:13:16 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] noscript plugin patch
In-Reply-To: <afa9caf10811251808x3bcaa3ecyf775438d5e638f69@mail.gmail.com>
References: <afa9caf10811242055s84dcbf4nd297418bf68d8b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<492BB3D8.70802@vimperator.org>
	<afa9caf10811251759q3e7a4d05p804f809c5654f256@mail.gmail.com>
	<afa9caf10811251808x3bcaa3ecyf775438d5e638f69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aaae92100811260213g4d3d9bcah179c99c4fb564c63@mail.gmail.com>

Since dpb is the website admin, it's better to post such messages to
the mailing list as well.

Regarding trac: Well, apart from this bug, what's wrong with using it
for managing scripts?
It allowed us to make the homepage in a few days, where a custom php
would have taken
weeks and therefore probably never been realized - by us at least.

I'll try to also set your name as the reporter when I am at home (at
work I am biten by the
proxy problem, which keeps logging me out). Maybe you can edit the
description then.
I'll also remove both scripts then.

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Eric Van Dewoestine <ervandew at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Eric Van Dewoestine <ervandew at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Martin,
>>
>> In regards to taking over the noscript plugin, it looks I don't have
>> the proper privileges to overwrite the noscript.js attachment on that
>> ticket.  I tried leaving the "Replace existing attachment of the same
>> name" unchecked, but then trac ends up creating a noscript.2.js which
>> will probably just confuse users.
>>
>> Could you possibly delete both attachments on my behalf and I'll
>> attach the new version?
>>
>>
>> --
>> eric
>>
>
> Bah... one more question that I forgot to ask in my previous email.
>
> Is there a way I can modify the ticket description?  The current
> description does not apply to the new version of noscript.js.
>
> Currently, I cannot edit the description for tickets I've reported
> either.
>
> Are you guys planning on sticking with trac tickets for plugins, or
> are there plans to create script management functionality similar to
> that provided by vim.org?
>
>
> --
> eric
>

From anekos at snca.net  Wed Nov 26 02:35:03 2008
From: anekos at snca.net (anekos)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:35:03 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] [Patch] Struct's trap
Message-ID: <d61793b50811260235sfdc94c7tbaf9109754a5f2bc@mail.gmail.com>

Struct.defalutValue's setter does not return value.
I think that setter method shuld returns value.

let Neko = new Struct('name', 'class', 'tails');
Neko.defaultValue('tails', function () 1);

let alex = new Neko();
liberator.log(alex.tails = 10) // => undefined !!
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From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Nov 26 07:21:42 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:21:42 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :help completion in Vimp_pre on FF3.0.4
In-Reply-To: <492C067A.106@tedpavlic.com>
References: <492C067A.106@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <492D6986.8060405@tedpavlic.com>

This problem is still not fixed.

Am I the *ONLY* one having this problem? I'm using FF3.0.4 (not 
experimental Minefield) on both a SLOW Mac and a FAST Windows machine, 
and *BOTH* machines have the problem.

Vimperator help is useless to me because of it.

--Ted

Ted Pavlic wrote:
> Using the latest Vimp_2.0pre on Firefox 3.0.4 on both Windows and OS X, 
> Firefox ends up giving me the hourglass on Windows ("beachball" on OS X) 
> and an "Application not responding" that I have to manually kill.
> 
> This occurs when I try to type:
> 
> :help hinttags
> 
> On OS X, it most often occurs between the help and the hinttags. On 
> Windows, it seems to occur at random places in the middle of the help. 
> In fact, sometimes I've been able to bring up ":help hinttags" successfully.
> 
> In my vimprc, I have:
> 
> 	:set wildoptions=auto
> 	:set cpt=lf
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> --Ted
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From anekos at snca.net  Wed Nov 26 10:45:22 2008
From: anekos at snca.net (anekos)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 03:45:22 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] :help completion in Vimp_pre on FF3.0.4
In-Reply-To: <492D6986.8060405@tedpavlic.com>
References: <492C067A.106@tedpavlic.com> <492D6986.8060405@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <d61793b50811261045n3e4becb3p9f3f2d74e9274a9d@mail.gmail.com>

> Am I the *ONLY* one having this problem?
No.
I have the similar problem.
In my environment, ":help hinttags" makes Firefox's crash.
Firefox is crashed before I finish to hit all the letters.
(and Firefox shows "Mozilla crash reporter")

But If I hit the letters slowly, Firefox is not crashed.
(maybe.. More properly, In case I hit the "i" after vimperator showed
completion list.)

I tested on:
http://hg.intevation.org/mirrors/mozdev.org/vimperator-cvs/rev/285e40e381fa
and
Windows XP Professional SP3.
Firefox 3.0.4

vimperatorrc contains: <<-EOT
:set wildoptions=auto
:set cpt=lf
EOT

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 13:01:10 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:01:10 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :help completion in Vimp_pre on FF3.0.4
In-Reply-To: <d61793b50811261045n3e4becb3p9f3f2d74e9274a9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <492C067A.106@tedpavlic.com> <492D6986.8060405@tedpavlic.com>
	<d61793b50811261045n3e4becb3p9f3f2d74e9274a9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a48155040811261301j577b6c45se50c0a2b926bee62@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:45 PM, anekos <anekos at snca.net> wrote:
>> Am I the *ONLY* one having this problem?
> No.
> I have the similar problem.
> In my environment, ":help hinttags" makes Firefox's crash.
> Firefox is crashed before I finish to hit all the letters.
> (and Firefox shows "Mozilla crash reporter")

Yeah, I've had it crash, too. Try it now. I've switched the task to
run in the foreground. I suspect it may be because we run an XMLHttp
request and then access its DOM.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Nov 26 13:31:11 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:31:11 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :help completion in Vimp_pre on FF3.0.4
In-Reply-To: <a48155040811261301j577b6c45se50c0a2b926bee62@mail.gmail.com>
References: <492C067A.106@tedpavlic.com> <492D6986.8060405@tedpavlic.com>
	<d61793b50811261045n3e4becb3p9f3f2d74e9274a9d@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811261301j577b6c45se50c0a2b926bee62@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <492DC01F.9010706@tedpavlic.com>

> Yeah, I've had it crash, too. Try it now. I've switched the task to
> run in the foreground. I suspect it may be because we run an XMLHttp
> request and then access its DOM.

That fixed it for me!

Thanks --
Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Nov 26 17:24:17 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:24:17 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Patch for searchreplace.js to work with new CVS args
Message-ID: <492DF6C1.7060205@tedpavlic.com>

Once upon a time, the "searchreplace.js" plugin was on the Vimperator 
web page. As of the Wiki, it hasn't gotten re-uploaded. It allowed for 
search and replace... For example, if I wanted to change every "test" to 
"blah" in a text field, I could do:

	:s/test/blah/g

and it would do it.


Attached is a patch that lets it work with the new "args" (rather than 
"arguments.args") convention in VimpCVS.


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>
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From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Nov 26 17:28:52 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:28:52 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Patch for searchreplace.js to work with new CVS
 args
In-Reply-To: <492DF6C1.7060205@tedpavlic.com>
References: <492DF6C1.7060205@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <492DF7D4.4070705@tedpavlic.com>

Note that searchreplace.js is still being carried along with the CVS 
repository.

That is, I found it in the old "www/scripts" directory (note: I'm using 
a Mercurial mirror of the CVS repo).

--Ted

Ted Pavlic wrote:
> Once upon a time, the "searchreplace.js" plugin was on the Vimperator 
> web page. As of the Wiki, it hasn't gotten re-uploaded. It allowed for 
> search and replace... For example, if I wanted to change every "test" to 
> "blah" in a text field, I could do:
> 
> 	:s/test/blah/g
> 
> and it would do it.
> 
> 
> Attached is a patch that lets it work with the new "args" (rather than 
> "arguments.args") convention in VimpCVS.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Thu Nov 27 06:03:47 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:03:47 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] change mapping of d
Message-ID: <d5baa8100811270603h7c36ff4ev579ae8f8789c9e5a@mail.gmail.com>

hi all,

I'd like to change the mapping d (delete buffer) to dd. Is there an
*easy* way to do this?

regards, Ruud

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Nov 27 06:10:06 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:10:06 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :help broken? (E149: Sorry, no help for hints)
Message-ID: <492EAA3E.3020801@tedpavlic.com>

It looks like there were lots of changesets last night (24ish). That's 
pretty neat.

However, it now looks like

	:help ANYTHING

returns

	E149: Sorry, no help for ANYTHING

where ANYTHING can be replaced with any valid help text (e.g., 'hints').

	It's interesting because **COMPLETION** works, but then (after a short 
delay) the completed help text is not matched when ":help" tries to find it.

	--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ervandew at gmail.com  Thu Nov 27 09:20:03 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:20:03 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Fix for external editor usage.
Message-ID: <afa9caf10811270920m71a90736ka776998af32725e8@mail.gmail.com>

There have been a lot of changes to vimperator recently and somewhere
along the way a couple external editor commands got broken:

:viewsource!
<c-i> on a text input or textarea

The attached patch fixes both.

--
eric
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From ervandew at gmail.com  Thu Nov 27 09:37:34 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:37:34 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] change mapping of d
In-Reply-To: <d5baa8100811270603h7c36ff4ev579ae8f8789c9e5a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5baa8100811270603h7c36ff4ev579ae8f8789c9e5a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <afa9caf10811270937u9948c5dm86155a4636aec927@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 6:03 AM, ruud grosmann <r.grosmann at gmail.com> wrote:
> hi all,
>
> I'd like to change the mapping d (delete buffer) to dd. Is there an
> *easy* way to do this?

I was able to remap d to D and then disable the original d like so:

noremap D d
map d <Nop>

However, I tried doing the same with dd with no luck.  I also tried
several other permutations, but to no avail.  Short of remapping d to
dd via a js call to mappings.add(), I'm not sure if there is an easy
way to get your preferred mapping.

I've also noticed that trying to map a key sequence that starts with
already mapped keys in vimperator doesn't work as well (which may
explain why trying to remap d to dd isn't working).  For example if I
have the following mappings:

:map <leader>t :echo "test1"<cr>
:map <leader>tv :echo "test2"<cr>

Where my <leader> is ',', if I try to run the second mapping (,tv)
vimperator will pick up the ,t portion right away and run the first
mapping without giving me any delay to hit the v for the second
mapping.

--
eric

From eyolf at oestrem.com  Thu Nov 27 13:58:41 2008
From: eyolf at oestrem.com (Eyolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8strem?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:58:41 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Firefox segfault
Message-ID: <20081127215841.GC20200@eyo>

I checked out a version yesterday (the one with s/args/...), and FF
segfaulted.

a. Has this been fixed (e.g. by the more recent commit "Unbreak FF3" -- I'm
running v. 3.0)? Is it safe to upgrade...?

b. Is there a way to uninstall/disable/upgrade an extension without having
a running FF? In this case, I removed the vimperator folder in my profile,
and the relevant lines in extensions.rdf, started ff and reinstalled an
older xpi, and all was fine. 

Eyolf

-- 
[Forrest on his being shot in the buttocks] 

Forrest Gump: "They said it was a million dollar wound. But,
the army must keep that money, cause I still ain't seen a
nickel of that million dollars" 

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Thu Nov 27 14:09:33 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 00:09:33 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] change mapping of d
In-Reply-To: <afa9caf10811270937u9948c5dm86155a4636aec927@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5baa8100811270603h7c36ff4ev579ae8f8789c9e5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<afa9caf10811270937u9948c5dm86155a4636aec927@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880dece00811271409i5b6214ebs4e5310ec93831e4c@mail.gmail.com>

2008/11/27 Eric Van Dewoestine <ervandew at gmail.com>:
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 6:03 AM, ruud grosmann <r.grosmann at gmail.com> wrote:
>> hi all,
>>
>> I'd like to change the mapping d (delete buffer) to dd. Is there an
>> *easy* way to do this?
>
> I was able to remap d to D and then disable the original d like so:
>

You don't even need to remap D. D is also close-a-tab, but it focus
the left tab instead of the right tab.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-??-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Thu Nov 27 18:48:49 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:48:49 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] Fix for external editor usage.
In-Reply-To: <afa9caf10811270920m71a90736ka776998af32725e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <afa9caf10811270920m71a90736ka776998af32725e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0811271848x3d2394f6uda85a353fa6426cf@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/28/08, Eric Van Dewoestine <ervandew at gmail.com> wrote:
> There have been a lot of changes to vimperator recently and somewhere
>  along the way a couple external editor commands got broken:
>
>  :viewsource!
>  <c-i> on a text input or textarea
>
>  The attached patch fixes both.

Fixed - thanks!

Doug

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Thu Nov 27 18:52:54 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:52:54 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] change mapping of d
In-Reply-To: <afa9caf10811270937u9948c5dm86155a4636aec927@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5baa8100811270603h7c36ff4ev579ae8f8789c9e5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<afa9caf10811270937u9948c5dm86155a4636aec927@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0811271852j532e87c3t1b076a74069dc8cc@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/28/08, Eric Van Dewoestine <ervandew at gmail.com> wrote:
>  I've also noticed that trying to map a key sequence that starts with
>  already mapped keys in vimperator doesn't work as well (which may
>  explain why trying to remap d to dd isn't working).  For example if I
>  have the following mappings:
>
>  :map <leader>t :echo "test1"<cr>
>  :map <leader>tv :echo "test2"<cr>
>
>  Where my <leader> is ',', if I try to run the second mapping (,tv)
>  vimperator will pick up the ,t portion right away and run the first
>  mapping without giving me any delay to hit the v for the second
>  mapping.

Yes, someone needs to implement 'timeout' et al.

Doug

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Nov 27 20:45:55 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:45:55 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :help broken? (E149: Sorry, no help for hints)
In-Reply-To: <492EAA3E.3020801@tedpavlic.com>
References: <492EAA3E.3020801@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <492F7783.6060809@tedpavlic.com>

This bug appears to be fixed as of the previous two VimpCVS changesets.

--Ted

Ted Pavlic wrote:
> It looks like there were lots of changesets last night (24ish). That's 
> pretty neat.
> 
> However, it now looks like
> 
> 	:help ANYTHING
> 
> returns
> 
> 	E149: Sorry, no help for ANYTHING
> 
> where ANYTHING can be replaced with any valid help text (e.g., 'hints').
> 
> 	It's interesting because **COMPLETION** works, but then (after a short 
> delay) the completed help text is not matched when ":help" tries to find it.
> 
> 	--Ted
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Nov 27 20:47:30 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:47:30 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Processing keypress event: ReferenceError: count is
	not defined
Message-ID: <492F77E2.5090702@tedpavlic.com>

As of the most recent VimpCVS updates, I've noticed that commands like:

	:bd

give me the error:

	Processing keypress event: Reference Error: count is not defined

I'm sure this has something to do with specifying counts/ranges. I know 
some recent changesets involved 'arguments.' Perhaps there's a relationship?

	--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Fri Nov 28 07:46:23 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:46:23 +0000
Subject: [Vimperator] Processing keypress event: ReferenceError: count
	is not defined
In-Reply-To: <492F77E2.5090702@tedpavlic.com>
References: <492F77E2.5090702@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0811280746qc50fa75k568efab0fd83c5f9@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/28/08, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
> As of the most recent VimpCVS updates, I've noticed that commands like:
>
>         :bd
>
>  give me the error:
>
>         Processing keypress event: Reference Error: count is not defined
>
>  I'm sure this has something to do with specifying counts/ranges. I know
> some recent changesets involved 'arguments.' Perhaps there's a relationship?

Thanks for the report. Kris has fixed this.

Doug

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Nov 28 08:19:03 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:19:03 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Processing keypress event: ReferenceError: count
 is not defined
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0811280746qc50fa75k568efab0fd83c5f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <492F77E2.5090702@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0811280746qc50fa75k568efab0fd83c5f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493019F7.30607@vimperator.org>

On 2008-11-28 16:46, Doug Kearns wrote:

> On 11/28/08, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
>> As of the most recent VimpCVS updates, I've noticed that commands like:
>>
>>         :bd
>>
>>  give me the error:
>>
>>         Processing keypress event: Reference Error: count is not defined
>>
>>  I'm sure this has something to do with specifying counts/ranges. I know
>> some recent changesets involved 'arguments.' Perhaps there's a relationship?
> 
> Thanks for the report. Kris has fixed this.


Yeah, Ted is really great in writing reports. It's nice that people also test
vimperator in these hard times of constant breakage. Keep up the good work!

--
Martin

BTW: I see more and more people constantly writing patches. After we have
moved to git, we might give some of them commit access, if they also want it.

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Nov 28 08:20:07 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:20:07 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Patch for searchreplace.js to work with new CVS
 args
In-Reply-To: <492DF7D4.4070705@tedpavlic.com>
References: <492DF6C1.7060205@tedpavlic.com> <492DF7D4.4070705@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49301A37.6060700@vimperator.org>

On 2008-11-27 02:28, Ted Pavlic wrote:

> Note that searchreplace.js is still being carried along with the CVS 
> repository.
> 
> That is, I found it in the old "www/scripts" directory (note: I'm using 
> a Mercurial mirror of the CVS repo).


Hmm, I probably will delete all the scripts there (or let it bitrot, when
we move to git). In the searchreplace case, just upload it yourself at
vimperator.org, no need for a patch.

--
Martin

From ervandew at gmail.com  Fri Nov 28 10:05:08 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:05:08 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Proposed patch to improve next/prev page key bindings.
Message-ID: <afa9caf10811281005s314e8cddn7955bc3af78b91b8@mail.gmail.com>

One very convenient feature of vimperator is the support for key
bindings which locate and follow next/prev links while on a multi-page
document sequence.  However, depending on the site I'm on, these key
bindings can be hit or miss.  It's not the default search pattern that
causes the problem, but the occurrence of a link which is not a
next/prev link, but still matches nextpattern/prevpattern.  Reddit is
one site where I've given up using ']]' to jump to the next page,
because too many times there was a story with the word 'next' in it
that was followed instead.

As a bit of a contrived example, consider a search for the word 'next'
on google (http://www.google.com/search?q=next).  Almost every search
result link has the word 'next' in it, so trying to use ']]' will take
you to the first search result instead of taking you to the next page
of results.

To solve this problem I've created a patch which adds a new option
which indicates where on the page (top/bottom) to begin searching for
next/prev links.  So far it has been working great.  All the
problematic sites have been those which only have next/prev links at
the bottom of the page, and having set the new option to 'bottom',
vimperator finds the correct link 100% of the time for me know.

I know there is a reluctance to add more options to vimperator, but I
really feel that this is a worth while one to have.  It can also be
used in conjunction with auto commands to set the best value for
specific sites, making '[[' and ']]' much more reliable.

--
eric
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Nov 28 21:56:09 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:56:09 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] change mapping of d
In-Reply-To: <d5baa8100811270603h7c36ff4ev579ae8f8789c9e5a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5baa8100811270603h7c36ff4ev579ae8f8789c9e5a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a48155040811282156y5982a1adwda4232db9d4e8d81@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 9:03 AM, ruud grosmann <r.grosmann at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like to change the mapping d (delete buffer) to dd. Is there an
> *easy* way to do this?

In HEAD, it's now possible via

:noremap dd d<Nop>

The previous behavior was to ignore any mappings that were substrings
of a longer mapping. Now, they're triggered whenever there are no
possible longer matches. Unfortunately, the non-matching key (<Nop> in
this case) is currently discarded. :set timeout is to come, I suppose.

From teramako at gmail.com  Sat Nov 29 06:02:43 2008
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:02:43 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] Fix a progrem cannot overwrite user-map (the
	latest version)
Message-ID: <6eebba490811290602q18acdcaajd35ec0ac8c56b0de@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, developers

Please review and apply the bellow patch.

diff --git a/content/mappings.js b/content/mappings.js
index 145902e..2927e3a 100644
--- a/content/mappings.js
+++ b/content/mappings.js
@@ -305,7 +305,7 @@ function Mappings() //{{{
             for (let [,name] in Iterator(map.names))
             {
                 for (let [,mode] in Iterator(map.modes))
-                    removeMap(mode, map.name);
+                    removeMap(mode, name);
             }

             addMap(map, true);


Best regards
----
teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Sat Nov 29 06:39:59 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:39:59 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] VimpCVS tab numbering breaks proper tab rendering
Message-ID: <4931543F.4090906@tedpavlic.com>

See this screen shots of Vimperator (CVS HEAD):

http://www.tedpavlic.com/examples/vimperator/bad_tabs/bad_tabs.png

and Vimeprator (CVS, "macros argCount 1 -> ?", which is just before the 
first "Fix tab numbering"):

http://www.tedpavlic.com/examples/vimperator/bad_tabs/good_tabs.png


The fixed tab numbering breaks how the tabs appear. Now they stretch 
across the entire tab bar, and the tab icon stretches out of proportion.

It's possible that this is a Mac-only bug (I haven't tested it on 
Windows yet).

I can file an official bug if it seems like that would be prudent.

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Sat Nov 29 06:46:17 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:46:17 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] VimpCVS tab numbering breaks proper tab rendering
In-Reply-To: <4931543F.4090906@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4931543F.4090906@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <493155B9.8090709@tedpavlic.com>

I should note that this bug is actually an improvement (on OS X) from 
the old tab numbering. On OS X, the old tab numbering didn't show up at 
**ALL** (with n or N).

Finally, I should note that the guioptions were bTn in those. Setting N 
*does* put a properly sized "1" in the middle of the tab icon.

--Ted

Ted Pavlic wrote:
> See this screen shots of Vimperator (CVS HEAD):
> 
> http://www.tedpavlic.com/examples/vimperator/bad_tabs/bad_tabs.png
> 
> and Vimeprator (CVS, "macros argCount 1 -> ?", which is just before the 
> first "Fix tab numbering"):
> 
> http://www.tedpavlic.com/examples/vimperator/bad_tabs/good_tabs.png

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Sat Nov 29 10:40:21 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:40:21 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] stopped working -- :map D :winclose<CR>
Message-ID: <49318C95.40908@tedpavlic.com>

In my .vimperatorrc, I have:

	:map D :winclose<CR>

This mapping used to work. Now it works as if I didn't have the <CR>. 
That is, when I hit "D" I'm presented with a command line that has 
":winclose" on it with a cursor after it.

Is this a bug? Or should I use a different mapping?

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sat Nov 29 13:27:12 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:27:12 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] VimpCVS tab numbering breaks proper tab rendering
In-Reply-To: <493155B9.8090709@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4931543F.4090906@tedpavlic.com> <493155B9.8090709@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <a48155040811291327i25ac5a63y9fd2a417c91086d2@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
> I should note that this bug is actually an improvement (on OS X) from the
> old tab numbering. On OS X, the old tab numbering didn't show up at **ALL**
> (with n or N).
>
> Finally, I should note that the guioptions were bTn in those. Setting N
> *does* put a properly sized "1" in the middle of the tab icon.

There was no old tab numbering. It's always been the same, but the
binding got removed because of a glitch.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Sat Nov 29 13:27:11 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:27:11 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] stopped working -- :map D :winclose<CR>
In-Reply-To: <49318C95.40908@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49318C95.40908@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <4931B3AF.70209@tedpavlic.com>

Fixed as of the most recent changeset ("Kill filterURLArray"). Thanks!

--Ted

Ted Pavlic wrote:
> In my .vimperatorrc, I have:
> 
> 	:map D :winclose<CR>
> 
> This mapping used to work. Now it works as if I didn't have the <CR>. 
> That is, when I hit "D" I'm presented with a command line that has 
> ":winclose" on it with a cursor after it.
> 
> Is this a bug? Or should I use a different mapping?
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sat Nov 29 13:32:30 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:32:30 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] Fix a progrem cannot overwrite user-map
	(the latest version)
In-Reply-To: <6eebba490811290602q18acdcaajd35ec0ac8c56b0de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6eebba490811290602q18acdcaajd35ec0ac8c56b0de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a48155040811291332j6341aee7qbf60e773ff2d508d@mail.gmail.com>

Fixed. Thanks.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Sat Nov 29 14:40:57 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:40:57 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] VimpCVS tab numbering breaks proper tab rendering
In-Reply-To: <a48155040811291327i25ac5a63y9fd2a417c91086d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4931543F.4090906@tedpavlic.com> <493155B9.8090709@tedpavlic.com>
	<a48155040811291327i25ac5a63y9fd2a417c91086d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4931C4F9.60502@tedpavlic.com>

> On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com> wrote:
>> I should note that this bug is actually an improvement (on OS X) from the
>> old tab numbering. On OS X, the old tab numbering didn't show up at **ALL**
>> (with n or N).
>>
>> Finally, I should note that the guioptions were bTn in those. Setting N
>> *does* put a properly sized "1" in the middle of the tab icon.
> 
> There was no old tab numbering. It's always been the same, but the
> binding got removed because of a glitch.

Well, something has changed. Perhaps it was something that changed in 
Firefox between FF3.0.3 and FF3.0.4?

All I know is that with these same settings, I used to get tab numbering 
in Windows and NO tab numbering in OS X. Later, when tab numbering got 
removed (due to some Muttator issues, IIRC), neither OS had tab 
numbering. Now that it's put back, the OS X Firefox has tab numbering 
with those "stretched out" tabs.

Earlier (back when tab numbering was turned on), I reported (in a 
response in the "Numbered tabs" thread) that no numbers showed up in OS 
X. I received the response (from Daniel Bainton) that patches were welcome.

SO... Something has changed. <?>

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Sat Nov 29 14:48:01 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:48:01 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] VimpCVS tab numbering breaks proper tab rendering
In-Reply-To: <4931C4F9.60502@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4931543F.4090906@tedpavlic.com> <493155B9.8090709@tedpavlic.com>
	<a48155040811291327i25ac5a63y9fd2a417c91086d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4931C4F9.60502@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <4931C6A1.5040308@tedpavlic.com>

> All I know is that with these same settings, I used to get tab numbering 
> in Windows and NO tab numbering in OS X. Later, when tab numbering got 
> removed (due to some Muttator issues, IIRC), neither OS had tab 
> numbering. Now that it's put back, the OS X Firefox has tab numbering 
> with those "stretched out" tabs.

(note: tab numbering works fine (no stretched tabs) in Windows... the 
stretchiness is only a problem in the OS X chrome stuff)

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic <ted at tedpavlic.com>

From edwardzyang at thewritingpot.com  Sat Nov 29 18:30:39 2008
From: edwardzyang at thewritingpot.com (Edward Z. Yang)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:30:39 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] New user questions
Message-ID: <4931FACF.9000005@thewritingpot.com>

Hello all,

In order to force myself to learn Vim's navigational keybindings, I've
started using Vimtuperator, and I must say it works quite well for thats
 task.

That being said, there are few things I simply must fix in order to
prevent Vimtuperator from being swept into the disabled extensions bin.
Suggestions/answers for these questions would be greatly appreciated!

1. Many of my extensions feature non-Vim friendly interfaces. :menu and
:sidebar have proven to be excellent ways to get into those interfaces,
but after I've done this, I have to get out my mouse again. Does
Vimputerator offer any way of assigning/detecting appropriate
keybindings for these windows?

2. On a similar note, I'd like to bookmark pages using del.icio.us/check
pages with Web Developer Toolbar/etc etc. Is there any way of accessing
buttons that would be in my toolbar? Same goes for buttons on my context
menu.

3. For at least my installation, the help document for searching is a 404.

4. I'm using f to access form elements; how do I access a form element
and simultaneously clear it out? In Vim, I'd "S"; in regular Firefox I'd
click Ctrl-a <backspace>; how do I do this in Vimperator?

Cheers,
Edward

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sat Nov 29 18:58:02 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:58:02 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] New user questions
In-Reply-To: <4931FACF.9000005@thewritingpot.com>
References: <4931FACF.9000005@thewritingpot.com>
Message-ID: <a48155040811291858o1f2554cfh94a884755eea8407@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Edward Z. Yang
<edwardzyang at thewritingpot.com> wrote:
> 1. Many of my extensions feature non-Vim friendly interfaces. :menu and
> :sidebar have proven to be excellent ways to get into those interfaces,
> but after I've done this, I have to get out my mouse again. Does
> Vimputerator offer any way of assigning/detecting appropriate
> keybindings for these windows?

Don't know what you mean.

> 2. On a similar note, I'd like to bookmark pages using del.icio.us/check
> pages with Web Developer Toolbar/etc etc. Is there any way of accessing
> buttons that would be in my toolbar? Same goes for buttons on my context
> menu.

The best way is to open the dom inspector, click the button in the
top-left corner, click on the button you want, and look at its
oncommand element. Then, just map that to a command.

Open the inspector:
:js inspectDOMDocument(document)

Map:
:map <A-q> :js whatever()<Cr><Esc>
:com whatever :js whatever()

See also the scripts and tips pages at vimperator.org.

> 4. I'm using f to access form elements; how do I access a form element
> and simultaneously clear it out? In Vim, I'd "S"; in regular Firefox I'd
> click Ctrl-a <backspace>; how do I do this in Vimperator?

Ctrl-U.

From edwardzyang at thewritingpot.com  Sat Nov 29 19:23:23 2008
From: edwardzyang at thewritingpot.com (Edward Z. Yang)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:23:23 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] New user questions
In-Reply-To: <a48155040811291858o1f2554cfh94a884755eea8407@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4931FACF.9000005@thewritingpot.com>
	<a48155040811291858o1f2554cfh94a884755eea8407@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4932072B.5030603@thewritingpot.com>

Kris Maglione wrote:
> The best way is to open the dom inspector, click the button in the
> top-left corner, click on the button you want, and look at its
> oncommand element. Then, just map that to a command.

Sweet! I didn't know DOM Inspector worked on Firefox GUI elements. While
my initial try didn't work...

> See also the scripts and tips pages at vimperator.org.

...I think I will look at the scripts here and improve my technique.

> Ctrl-U.

Great!

From edwardzyang at thewritingpot.com  Sat Nov 29 19:57:07 2008
From: edwardzyang at thewritingpot.com (Edward Z. Yang)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:57:07 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] New user questions
In-Reply-To: <4932072B.5030603@thewritingpot.com>
References: <4931FACF.9000005@thewritingpot.com>
	<a48155040811291858o1f2554cfh94a884755eea8407@mail.gmail.com>
	<4932072B.5030603@thewritingpot.com>
Message-ID: <49320F13.9060003@thewritingpot.com>

I have another question:

Ctrl-v Ctrl-v works for URLs that I've yanked, but doesn't seem to do
anything with text in my "real clipboard". How do I paste that stuff?

Cheers,
Edward

From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 04:00:14 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:00:14 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] change mapping of d
In-Reply-To: <a48155040811282156y5982a1adwda4232db9d4e8d81@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5baa8100811270603h7c36ff4ev579ae8f8789c9e5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a48155040811282156y5982a1adwda4232db9d4e8d81@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d5baa8100811300400hafaafc2pcf2d924e76b37001@mail.gmail.com>

thanks Kris,
thats's great!

regards, Ruud

On 29/11/2008, Kris Maglione <maglione.k at gmail.com> wrote:
> In HEAD, it's now possible via
>
> :noremap dd d<Nop>

From benschni at yahoo.de  Sun Nov 30 05:40:40 2008
From: benschni at yahoo.de (Ben ji)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:40:40 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Vimperator] char-hints.js  not working
Message-ID: <650220.48372.qm@web28512.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hello folks,
i recently changed to firefox version 3.0.4 and to the new
vimperator. Now i would like to have back the old navigation
style and tried to use the "char-hints.js"-patch - unfortunatly
without success. Opening firefox i only get a small error in
the lowermost bar: "missing = in XML attribute". I hope you can
help me,
     Benjamin


      
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From mccolingrath at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 16:09:38 2008
From: mccolingrath at gmail.com (Colin McGrath)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:09:38 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] New user questions
In-Reply-To: <49320F13.9060003@thewritingpot.com>
References: <4931FACF.9000005@thewritingpot.com>
	<a48155040811291858o1f2554cfh94a884755eea8407@mail.gmail.com>
	<4932072B.5030603@thewritingpot.com>
	<49320F13.9060003@thewritingpot.com>
Message-ID: <a4c1b48c0811301609r46dd39cv75730d0a061843c6@mail.gmail.com>

<Shift><Insert>

On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 10:57 PM, Edward Z. Yang <
edwardzyang at thewritingpot.com> wrote:

> I have another question:
>
> Ctrl-v Ctrl-v works for URLs that I've yanked, but doesn't seem to do
> anything with text in my "real clipboard". How do I paste that stuff?
>
> Cheers,
> Edward
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>


-- 
Colin
George Bernard Shaw  - "Youth is a wonderful thing. What a crime to waste it
on children."
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From benjaminschnitzler at googlemail.com  Sun Nov 30 05:38:34 2008
From: benjaminschnitzler at googlemail.com (Benjamin Schnitzler)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:38:34 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] char-hints.js  not working
Message-ID: <20081130133834.GA1129@DrSeltsam>

Hello folks,
i recently changed to firefox version 3.0.4 and to the new
vimperator. Now i would like to have back the old navigation
style and tried to use the "char-hints.js"-patch - unfortunatly
without success. Opening firefox i only get a small error in
the lowermost bar: "missing = in XML attribute". I hope you can
help me,
     Benjamin