tags in Firefox,
I seem to lose all of my newlines. This doesn't happen for paragraphed HTML.

Second, the usability question. In Vim, y{selection} is used to yank
text in that selection, whereas Y is used to yank a line. This feels to
me to be a little bit different from the Vimperator convention. :-/

Cheers,
Edward

From ervandew at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 18:42:31 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:42:31 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Loading tab icon broken.
Message-ID: 

While a page is still loading on a tab, firefox typically has a nice
animated spinner icon.  However, this icon no longer appears as of
change set 5c640b885e69fcd8fbbc4a47007c168a5455148f[1].  Commenting
out the style.addSheet(...), or reverting to the previous revision
restores the loading icon.

Unfortunately, I'm not familiar enough with this part of vimperator or
firefox to offer a fix.

[1] http://vimperator.org/trac/gitweb/?p=vimperator.git;a=blobdiff;f=content/tabs.js;h=25f4c942d064af48406ba91f03cd391d4dd2992f;hp=a0734561ef423048309dbcc21fc9f5d0b257a932;hb=5c640b885e69fcd8fbbc4a47007c168a5455148f;hpb=9a32ebdb33083970a1f2ab0272c28963b94ba262

--
eric

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 19:01:36 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:01:36 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] On yanking in vimperator
In-Reply-To: <4935E70D.9050208@thewritingpot.com>
References: <4935E70D.9050208@thewritingpot.com>
Message-ID: <20081203030136.GE21677@jg.home>

On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 08:55:25PM -0500, Edward Z. Yang wrote:
>I have a bug report and a usability question for y'all.
>
>First the bug report: when I yank (Y) text inside  tags in Firefox,
>I seem to lose all of my newlines. This doesn't happen for paragraphed HTML.
>
>Second, the usability question. In Vim, y{selection} is used to yank
>text in that selection, whereas Y is used to yank a line. This feels to
>me to be a little bit different from the Vimperator convention. :-/

One of the biggest reasons that issue trackers exist is so that 
bug reports can be found before they're repeated.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by
definition, not smart enough to debug it.
	--Brian W. Kernighan


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 19:03:57 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:03:57 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Loading tab icon broken.
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20081203030357.GF21677@jg.home>

On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 06:42:31PM -0800, Eric Van Dewoestine wrote:
>While a page is still loading on a tab, firefox typically has a nice
>animated spinner icon.  However, this icon no longer appears as of
>change set 5c640b885e69fcd8fbbc4a47007c168a5455148f[1].  Commenting
>out the style.addSheet(...), or reverting to the previous revision
>restores the loading icon.

What OS/Firefox version?

-- 
Kris Maglione

The key to performance is elegance, not battalions of special cases.
	--Jon Bentley and Doug McIlroy


From ervandew at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 19:12:57 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:12:57 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Loading tab icon broken.
In-Reply-To: <20081203030357.GF21677@jg.home>
References: 
	<20081203030357.GF21677@jg.home>
Message-ID: 

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Kris Maglione  wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 06:42:31PM -0800, Eric Van Dewoestine wrote:
>>
>> While a page is still loading on a tab, firefox typically has a nice
>> animated spinner icon.  However, this icon no longer appears as of
>> change set 5c640b885e69fcd8fbbc4a47007c168a5455148f[1].  Commenting
>> out the style.addSheet(...), or reverting to the previous revision
>> restores the loading icon.
>
> What OS/Firefox version?

$ uname -rsmo
Linux 2.6.25-gentoo-r8 i686 GNU/Linux

$ firefox -version
Mozilla Firefox 3.0.4, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2008 mozilla.org

--
eric

From ervandew at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 19:20:34 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:20:34 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] On yanking in vimperator
In-Reply-To: <20081203030136.GE21677@jg.home>
References: <4935E70D.9050208@thewritingpot.com>
	<20081203030136.GE21677@jg.home>
Message-ID: 

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Kris Maglione  wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 08:55:25PM -0500, Edward Z. Yang wrote:
>>
>> I have a bug report and a usability question for y'all.
>>
>> First the bug report: when I yank (Y) text inside  tags in Firefox,
>> I seem to lose all of my newlines. This doesn't happen for paragraphed
>> HTML.
>>
>> Second, the usability question. In Vim, y{selection} is used to yank
>> text in that selection, whereas Y is used to yank a line. This feels to
>> me to be a little bit different from the Vimperator convention. :-/
>
> One of the biggest reasons that issue trackers exist is so that bug reports
> can be found before they're repeated.

Since you mentioned the issue tracker...  Do you guys have a
preference for where pre-release vimperator issues should be reported?

I've been running under the impression that the mailing list is the
best place to address issues in the development version.  I would
assume that you guys wouldn't want the issue tracker flooded with
short term unreleased bugs, and instead would want it focused on bugs
related to official releases, but please correct me if that is not the case.

--
eric

From edwardzyang at thewritingpot.com  Tue Dec  2 19:31:18 2008
From: edwardzyang at thewritingpot.com (Edward Z. Yang)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:31:18 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] On yanking in vimperator
In-Reply-To: <20081203030136.GE21677@jg.home>
References: <4935E70D.9050208@thewritingpot.com>
	<20081203030136.GE21677@jg.home>
Message-ID: <4935FD86.1070800@thewritingpot.com>

Kris Maglione wrote:
> One of the biggest reasons that issue trackers exist is so that bug
> reports can be found before they're repeated.

Sorry; I didn't realize vimperator had a bug tracker. That being said,
it's good form on many open-source projects to ping the mailing list
first and see if someone else can reproduce before filing a bug. So, can
anyone reproduce? If so, I'll file an appropriate bug.

Cheers,
Edward

From ervandew at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 21:13:23 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 21:13:23 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Problem puling or cloning from vimperator git repos
	since "new directory layout"
Message-ID: 

For some reason, since the changeset for the "new directory
layout"[1], I'm unable to pull or clone the new files via git.  Git
seems stuck on the changeset prior to the restructuring.

Is anyone else having this issue?

$ git st
# On branch master
nothing to commit (working directory clean)

$ git pull
Already up-to-date.

$ git log -1
commit 889653b1de3b0beb32438307270c06e58a03739c
Author: Doug Kearns 
Date:   Tue Dec 2 14:48:48 2008 +0000

    allow ${VAR} environment variable expansion on Windows too


Same issue above if I attempt to clone a new version.

$ git clone http://git.vimperator.org/vimperator.git
...

$ git log -1
commit 889653b1de3b0beb32438307270c06e58a03739c
Author: Doug Kearns 
Date:   Tue Dec 2 14:48:48 2008 +0000

    allow ${VAR} environment variable expansion on Windows too

--
eric

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 21:39:13 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:39:13 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] Problem puling or cloning from vimperator git
	repos since "new directory layout"
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <644fc65e0812022139l6a4c8e64kd06974602193e30a@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/3/08, Eric Van Dewoestine  wrote:
> For some reason, since the changeset for the "new directory
>  layout"[1], I'm unable to pull or clone the new files via git.  Git
>  seems stuck on the changeset prior to the restructuring.
>
>  Is anyone else having this issue?

Yes, but I haven't investigated further.

Doug

From edwardzyang at thewritingpot.com  Tue Dec  2 21:58:49 2008
From: edwardzyang at thewritingpot.com (Edward Z. Yang)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:58:49 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Problem puling or cloning from vimperator git
 repos since "new directory layout"
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <49362019.3080006@thewritingpot.com>

Eric Van Dewoestine wrote:
> For some reason, since the changeset for the "new directory
> layout"[1], I'm unable to pull or clone the new files via git.  Git
> seems stuck on the changeset prior to the restructuring.
> 
> Is anyone else having this issue?

Yep. It looks like the master branch is pointing to the wrong commit in
the HTTP repository; gitweb shows it pointing to the correct HEAD commit
(as of writing, e40b68c7), but in the HTTP repository origin points to
889653b1. Is anyone able to sync the HTTP copy with whatever gitweb is
running off of? (a git reset --hard e40b68c7 while on the origin branch
would probably do the trick, but the origin branch is somewhat... odd).

Cheers,
Edward

From dpb at driftaway.org  Tue Dec  2 22:04:33 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:04:33 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] On yanking in vimperator
In-Reply-To: <4935FD86.1070800@thewritingpot.com>
References: <4935E70D.9050208@thewritingpot.com>
	<20081203030136.GE21677@jg.home> <4935FD86.1070800@thewritingpot.com>
Message-ID: 

2008/12/3 Edward Z. Yang :
> Kris Maglione wrote:
>> One of the biggest reasons that issue trackers exist is so that bug
>> reports can be found before they're repeated.
>
> Sorry; I didn't realize vimperator had a bug tracker. That being said,
> it's good form on many open-source projects to ping the mailing list
> first and see if someone else can reproduce before filing a bug. So, can
> anyone reproduce? If so, I'll file an appropriate bug.

The thing was, that there already IS a bug report for this. [1]
And the bug has been fixed.

Of course if nobody has filed a report of a bug before, it's IMO good
to discuss on the list, but this isn't the case here.

[1] http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/6

--
Daniel

From edwardzyang at thewritingpot.com  Tue Dec  2 22:06:28 2008
From: edwardzyang at thewritingpot.com (Edward Z. Yang)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:06:28 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] On yanking in vimperator
In-Reply-To: 
References: <4935E70D.9050208@thewritingpot.com>	<20081203030136.GE21677@jg.home>
	<4935FD86.1070800@thewritingpot.com>
	
Message-ID: <493621E4.1060706@thewritingpot.com>

Daniel Bainton wrote:
> The thing was, that there already IS a bug report for this. [1]
> And the bug has been fixed.

Arggh. I searched for "yank". :-( Sorry about the noise

Cheers,
Edward

From vim at rutschle.net  Tue Dec  2 23:19:18 2008
From: vim at rutschle.net (Yves Rutschle)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:19:18 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] char-hints plugin won't work in latest git?
In-Reply-To: <20081203002145.GC21677@jg.home>
References: 
	<49355582.1040404@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<20081202212745.GB21677@jg.home> <4935CB95.8060906@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081203002145.GC21677@jg.home>
Message-ID: <20081203071918.GM32455@naryves.com>

On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 07:21:45PM -0500, Kris Maglione wrote:
> Don't be an ass. The goal of vimperator is to provide an 
> efficient user interface. That doesn't mean dogmatically 
> cleaving to the keyboard. Hints are slower than reaching for the 
> mouse. If that weren't the case, it would be a different story. 

It's not always the case, as I am reminded every time I use
a laptop. I appreciate Vimperator for desktop use, but to me
its greatest strength is to make browsing on a mouseless
laptop pain-free (because nipples and track pads are both
painful).

Y.

From dpb at driftaway.org  Tue Dec  2 23:49:58 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:49:58 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] char-hints plugin won't work in latest git?
In-Reply-To: <20081203071918.GM32455@naryves.com>
References: 
	<49355582.1040404@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<20081202212745.GB21677@jg.home> <4935CB95.8060906@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081203002145.GC21677@jg.home> <20081203071918.GM32455@naryves.com>
Message-ID: 

2008/12/3 Yves Rutschle :
> On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 07:21:45PM -0500, Kris Maglione wrote:
>> Don't be an ass. The goal of vimperator is to provide an
>> efficient user interface. That doesn't mean dogmatically
>> cleaving to the keyboard. Hints are slower than reaching for the
>> mouse. If that weren't the case, it would be a different story.
>
> It's not always the case, as I am reminded every time I use
> a laptop. I appreciate Vimperator for desktop use, but to me
> its greatest strength is to make browsing on a mouseless
> laptop pain-free (because nipples and track pads are both
> painful).

IMO nipples and trackpads are WAY better than normal mize. You don't
need to move your hand that much, and yet link clicking etc is much
faster than with the plain keyboard.

--
Daniel

From eyolf at oestrem.com  Wed Dec  3 01:50:56 2008
From: eyolf at oestrem.com (Eyolf =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8strem?=)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:50:56 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] char-hints plugin won't work in latest git?
In-Reply-To: <20081203071918.GM32455@naryves.com>
References: 
	<49355582.1040404@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<20081202212745.GB21677@jg.home> <4935CB95.8060906@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081203002145.GC21677@jg.home>
	<20081203071918.GM32455@naryves.com>
Message-ID: <20081203095056.GA25436@eyo>

On 03.12.2008 (08:19), Yves Rutschle wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 07:21:45PM -0500, Kris Maglione wrote:
> > Don't be an ass. The goal of vimperator is to provide an 
> > efficient user interface. That doesn't mean dogmatically 
> > cleaving to the keyboard. Hints are slower than reaching for the 
> > mouse. If that weren't the case, it would be a different story. 
> 
> It's not always the case, as I am reminded every time I use
> a laptop. I appreciate Vimperator for desktop use, but to me
> its greatest strength is to make browsing on a mouseless
> laptop pain-free

Amen to that. Especially when one's laptop designers have decided that
looks are more important than functionality; in this case: a touchpad that
is exactly centered on the computer, not relative to the hand position,
which means that one can hardly type without accidentally "clicking" once
in a while. Consequently, I have it turned off most of the time.

> (because nipples and track pads are both painful).

Oooh, they can be very nice too, somtimes, them nipples.... :)

e

-- 
Do not be quick to reveal judgment.  Hidden judgment often is more potent.
It can guide reactions whose effects are felt only when too late to divert them.

  -- Bene Gesserit Advice to Postulants

From teramako at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 05:40:00 2008
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:40:00 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] wrong XPI generator (make_jar.sh)
Message-ID: <6eebba490812030540l6cbb66cbkd1e2ca4d17269dbb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, developers

the newest XPI generation system gets wrong jar file
please review and apply the bellow path

----------------------

diff --git a/liberator/make_jar.sh b/liberator/make_jar.sh
index 80ddff9..5d8e63f 100644
--- a/liberator/make_jar.sh
+++ b/liberator/make_jar.sh
@@ -36,7 +36,7 @@ do
             for f in $(getfiles "$bin" "$dir")
             do
                 mkdir -p "$stage/${f%/*}"
-                cp $f "$stage/$f"
+                cp $top/$f "$stage/$f"
             done
             for f in $(getfiles "$text" "$dir")
             do
--------------------------

Best regards
----
teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec  3 05:49:12 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:49:12 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] On yanking in vimperator
In-Reply-To: <493621E4.1060706@thewritingpot.com>
References: <4935E70D.9050208@thewritingpot.com>	<20081203030136.GE21677@jg.home>
	<4935FD86.1070800@thewritingpot.com>
	
	<493621E4.1060706@thewritingpot.com>
Message-ID: <49368E58.5050402@tedpavlic.com>


I've attached to that bug a nice solution (that was first suggested by 
Kris Maglione). See the thread:

http://www.mozdev.org/pipermail/vimperator/2008-October/002592.html

In particular, see the message:

http://www.mozdev.org/pipermail/vimperator/2008-October/002615.html

You'll find the snippet (which you can add to your .vimperatorrc, and it 
will work on any platform):


js <" + (/^Mac/.test(navigator.platform) ? 
"" : ""), true);
          setTimeout( function () {
            liberator.echo("Yanked " + util.readFromClipboard(), 
commandline.FORCE_SINGLELINE);
          }, 20 );
      });
EOF


That snippet should make "Y" act just like the "Copy" from your Edit menu.

--Ted


Edward Z. Yang wrote:
> Daniel Bainton wrote:
>> The thing was, that there already IS a bug report for this. [1]
>> And the bug has been fixed.
> 
> Arggh. I searched for "yank". :-( Sorry about the noise
> 
> Cheers,
> Edward
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Dec  3 06:09:58 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:09:58 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] [PATCH] wrong XPI generator (make_jar.sh)
In-Reply-To: <6eebba490812030540l6cbb66cbkd1e2ca4d17269dbb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6eebba490812030540l6cbb66cbkd1e2ca4d17269dbb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Hi,

thanks for yet another patch. It seems that you are still quite active
in working with vimperator (mostly plugins though).

Therefore it would be cool, if you could push such things yourself,
and get an official git account.
If you want that, please send Daniel Bainton (you should find his
e-mail address on the list) your username and an ssh key, then he'll
set up a push account.

You'll then need to checkout vimperator over ssh, and git push your
changes (I'll add a help about this on the wiki).

If you don't want that, it's also ok, then we'll try to apply your
patches, but I guess that is more work for us all.

best regards,

Martin

PS: You could also add small generally useful features in addition to
bug fixes, if you have something bigger in mind, please ask us before
on IRC or here.


On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:40 PM, M. Terada  wrote:
> Hi, developers
>
> the newest XPI generation system gets wrong jar file
> please review and apply the bellow path
>
> ----------------------
> diff --git a/liberator/make_jar.sh b/liberator/make_jar.sh
> index 80ddff9..5d8e63f 100644
> --- a/liberator/make_jar.sh
> +++ b/liberator/make_jar.sh
> @@ -36,7 +36,7 @@ do
>             for f in $(getfiles "$bin" "$dir")
>             do
>                 mkdir -p "$stage/${f%/*}"
> -                cp $f "$stage/$f"
> +                cp $top/$f "$stage/$f"
>             done
>             for f in $(getfiles "$text" "$dir")
>             do
> --------------------------
>
> Best regards
> ----
> teramako
> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From benisty.e at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 08:27:23 2008
From: benisty.e at gmail.com (Emmanuel Benisty)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:27:23 +0700
Subject: [Vimperator] Loading tab icon broken.
In-Reply-To: <20081203030357.GF21677@jg.home>
References: 
	<20081203030357.GF21677@jg.home>
Message-ID: 

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Kris Maglione  wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 06:42:31PM -0800, Eric Van Dewoestine wrote:
>>
>> While a page is still loading on a tab, firefox typically has a nice
>> animated spinner icon.  However, this icon no longer appears as of
>> change set 5c640b885e69fcd8fbbc4a47007c168a5455148f[1].  Commenting
>> out the style.addSheet(...), or reverting to the previous revision
>> restores the loading icon.
>
> What OS/Firefox version?

same problem here.

$ firefox -v
Mozilla Firefox 3.1b3pre, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2008 mozilla.org
$ uname -a
Linux blackout 2.6.28-eb #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Dec 2 23:42:21 ICT 2008
i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7300 @ 2.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

From lizhengs.mailinglists at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 20:44:27 2008
From: lizhengs.mailinglists at gmail.com (Zheng Li)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:44:27 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator may conflict with NoScript 1.8.7
Message-ID: <4937602B.6000300@gmail.com>

Hi, everyone

I found I cannot arrange and close tabs, press ESC to escape inputing
and etc,
when the NoScript extension is enabled.

Does anybody encounter this problem?

Yours
Zheng
2008-12-4


From edwardzyang at thewritingpot.com  Wed Dec  3 20:50:57 2008
From: edwardzyang at thewritingpot.com (Edward Z. Yang)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:50:57 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator may conflict with NoScript 1.8.7
In-Reply-To: <4937602B.6000300@gmail.com>
References: <4937602B.6000300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493761B1.1090608@thewritingpot.com>

Zheng Li wrote:
> Hi, everyone
> 
> I found I cannot arrange and close tabs, press ESC to escape inputing
> and etc,
> when the NoScript extension is enabled.
> 
> Does anybody encounter this problem?

I have NoScript installed, and I have not noticed Vimperator
functionality impaired in any way. However, that just may be my browsing
habits. Can you give specific steps to reproduce?

Cheers,
Edward

From jhdl at gmx.net  Thu Dec  4 01:19:24 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:19:24 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Who to be in sync with all vimperator stuff/news?
Message-ID: <20081204091924.GA29434@case.a42.local>

Hi devs, hi all,

as you're doing very much nice work to all, the source and the web
content, of/at vimperator(.org) - it seems I'm going completely confused
how/where to get important new infos.

As I recognized you changed the VCS from cvs to git - thanks a lot! But
you didn't drop a single notice here on the mailing list, so I suppose
there must be (in your point of view) a better place to be well informed
of such important changes. (The only one I found was Martin's reply
(Message-ID: )
to teramako's mail: "[PATCH] wrong XPI generator (make_jar.sh)").

Please, can you tell me the best practice to get all important infos
like this above, opened/closed 'tickets' (bugs at least, all would be
fine) without simultaneous lurking on the irc, reading this list,
clicking on vimperator.org, reading the Blog, the src/TODO, the src/NEWS
and maybe subscribe to RSS-feeds from the webpage?

IMHO a mailing list like this would be the best central place to post
all those infos. If you think it will get messed up with mails not of
general interest - maybe vimperator-dev at mozdev.org or
vimperator-announce at mozdev.org could be a solution.


Thanks, keep on with your nice work!

Best Regards
Juergen


PS: A last commit to the cvs on mozdev.org which will point out the
change to git could be helpful ...

All my logs (git-cvsimport started by a cronjob) give this messages:
  Running cvsps...
  DONE.
  Already up-to-date.

Instead of that, committing a new file like 'WARNING-cvs2git.txt'
containing
  "...
   We moved from cvs to git, please use 
     http://git.vimperator.org/liberator.git
   as the new remote repository.
   ..."
would have done it's job.

From jhdl at gmx.net  Thu Dec  4 01:33:37 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:33:37 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] git clone/fetch/pull broken
Message-ID: <20081204093337.GB29434@case.a42.local>

Hi,

  git clone http://git.vimperator.org/liberator.git

will not get the _last_ commits showed on:
  http://vimperator.org/gitweb?p=liberator.git;a=summary

Symlink mismatch?


 ~$ cd /tmp
 /tmp$ git clone http://git.vimperator.org/liberator.git
 /tmp$ cd liberator
 /tmp/liberator(master)$ git log ^1
 commit e40b68c7f479489b564793924d43cc9ca2f825b0
 Author: Kris Maglione 
 Date:   Tue Dec 2 20:35:03 2008 -0500

   Remove mozdev links and external images/css from the help
 /tmp/liberator-5(master)$ git pull
 Already up-to-date.


Last commit on the web:
  (parent: 0843379)
   Fix the modules path in the xpi chrome.manifests master

   author    Daniel Bainton 
             Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:03:45 +0000 (10:03 +0200)
   committer Daniel Bainton 
             Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:03:45 +0000 (10:03 +0200)
   commit    325526652651c7d2df4951ab54b190e1d70ac310
   tree      6645a68d06450166f6b15690bc4374eacf0c52a4     tree | snapshot
   parent    084337969d798f830a726717d095b4fff8ab57a6     commit | diff

   Fix the modules path in the xpi chrome.manifests


Regards
Juergen

From jhdl at gmx.net  Thu Dec  4 01:39:09 2008
From: jhdl at gmx.net (Juergen Descher)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:39:09 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] git clone/fetch/pull broken
In-Reply-To: <20081204093337.GB29434@case.a42.local>
References: <20081204093337.GB29434@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: <20081204093909.GC29434@case.a42.local>

Seems to be fixed :)

Quoting Juergen Descher  (Do, 04 Dez 2008, 10:33:37):
> Hi,
> 
>   git clone http://git.vimperator.org/liberator.git

If you use
  git clone git://git.vimperator.org/liberator.git
instead.

Thanks!

Regards
Juergen

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Dec  4 01:59:03 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:59:03 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Who to be in sync with all vimperator stuff/news?
In-Reply-To: <20081204091924.GA29434@case.a42.local>
References: <20081204091924.GA29434@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: 

Actually I wanted to post a message about the git move to the mailing
list, but only after
it has settled down (as we still changed some important things after
the initial move).

So, yes, the mailing list should be the best place for such
developer-only announcements.

All other important things should go on the main vimperator page, as I
used to do when we
still were hosted by mozdev (like WARNING: Settings are not
automatically saved anymore,
use .vimperatorrc).

Your idea about the CVS commit is very nice, will do so, when I am home.

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Juergen Descher  wrote:
> Hi devs, hi all,
>
> as you're doing very much nice work to all, the source and the web
> content, of/at vimperator(.org) - it seems I'm going completely confused
> how/where to get important new infos.
>
> As I recognized you changed the VCS from cvs to git - thanks a lot! But
> you didn't drop a single notice here on the mailing list, so I suppose
> there must be (in your point of view) a better place to be well informed
> of such important changes. (The only one I found was Martin's reply
> (Message-ID: )
> to teramako's mail: "[PATCH] wrong XPI generator (make_jar.sh)").
>
> Please, can you tell me the best practice to get all important infos
> like this above, opened/closed 'tickets' (bugs at least, all would be
> fine) without simultaneous lurking on the irc, reading this list,
> clicking on vimperator.org, reading the Blog, the src/TODO, the src/NEWS
> and maybe subscribe to RSS-feeds from the webpage?
>
> IMHO a mailing list like this would be the best central place to post
> all those infos. If you think it will get messed up with mails not of
> general interest - maybe vimperator-dev at mozdev.org or
> vimperator-announce at mozdev.org could be a solution.
>
>
> Thanks, keep on with your nice work!
>
> Best Regards
> Juergen
>
>
> PS: A last commit to the cvs on mozdev.org which will point out the
> change to git could be helpful ...
>
> All my logs (git-cvsimport started by a cronjob) give this messages:
>  Running cvsps...
>  DONE.
>  Already up-to-date.
>
> Instead of that, committing a new file like 'WARNING-cvs2git.txt'
> containing
>  "...
>   We moved from cvs to git, please use
>     http://git.vimperator.org/liberator.git
>   as the new remote repository.
>   ..."
> would have done it's job.
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From dpb at driftaway.org  Thu Dec  4 04:33:13 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:33:13 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] git clone/fetch/pull broken
In-Reply-To: <20081204093909.GC29434@case.a42.local>
References: <20081204093337.GB29434@case.a42.local>
	<20081204093909.GC29434@case.a42.local>
Message-ID: 

2008/12/4 Juergen Descher :
> Seems to be fixed :)
>
> Quoting Juergen Descher  (Do, 04 Dez 2008, 10:33:37):
>> Hi,
>>
>>   git clone http://git.vimperator.org/liberator.git
>
> If you use
>  git clone git://git.vimperator.org/liberator.git
> instead.

And hopefully now the http:// version will work too and wont break in
the future..

(Needed a git-update-server-info, added that to a hook.)

--
Daniel

From edwardzyang at thewritingpot.com  Thu Dec  4 06:25:40 2008
From: edwardzyang at thewritingpot.com (Edward Z. Yang)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:25:40 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] git clone/fetch/pull broken
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20081204093337.GB29434@case.a42.local>	<20081204093909.GC29434@case.a42.local>
	
Message-ID: <4937E864.2030009@thewritingpot.com>

Daniel Bainton wrote:
> And hopefully now the http:// version will work too and wont break in
> the future..

I'd like to point out that it's much better to use a git:// repository
than http://; it's a lot faster and you save bandwidth.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Dec  4 06:30:10 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:30:10 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Old Vimperator hg clone dead?
Message-ID: <4937E972.5000401@tedpavlic.com>

Now that the Vimp repo is a true Git repo (and not just a CVS clone), 
are there any plans on updating the old Mercurial clone to clone from 
the new git repo?

FYI, the old Mercurial clone was located at:

http://hg.intevation.org/mirrors/mozdev.org/vimperator-cvs/

It was once upon a time linked to the Vimperator home page as a 
contributed clone.

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Dec  4 06:54:42 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:54:42 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Linking FF plugin directly to Vimp source with new git
	repo?
Message-ID: <4937EF32.6070408@tedpavlic.com>

In the past, the "vimperator at mozdev.org" directory in the 
FF/Profiles/extensions directory could be replaced with a file that 
contained the name of the full path to the vimperator source. That way 
updates could be applied without having to generate and install a new 
XPI every time.

With the new combined vimperator+muttator liberator repo, can we still 
do the same? Do we use the liberator/vimperator directory? Or must we go 
back to installing XPI's every update?

Thanks --
Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From dpb at driftaway.org  Thu Dec  4 07:21:45 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:21:45 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] git clone/fetch/pull broken
In-Reply-To: <4937E864.2030009@thewritingpot.com>
References: <20081204093337.GB29434@case.a42.local>
	<20081204093909.GC29434@case.a42.local>
	
	<4937E864.2030009@thewritingpot.com>
Message-ID: 

2008/12/4 Edward Z. Yang :
> Daniel Bainton wrote:
>> And hopefully now the http:// version will work too and wont break in
>> the future..
>
> I'd like to point out that it's much better to use a git:// repository
> than http://; it's a lot faster and you save bandwidth.

Sure, but the http way is needed too, because some people are behind
firewalls etc.

--
Daniel

From dpb at driftaway.org  Thu Dec  4 07:23:01 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:23:01 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Linking FF plugin directly to Vimp source with new
	git repo?
In-Reply-To: <4937EF32.6070408@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4937EF32.6070408@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: 

2008/12/4 Ted Pavlic :
> In the past, the "vimperator at mozdev.org" directory in the
> FF/Profiles/extensions directory could be replaced with a file that
> contained the name of the full path to the vimperator source. That way
> updates could be applied without having to generate and install a new XPI
> every time.
>
> With the new combined vimperator+muttator liberator repo, can we still do
> the same? Do we use the liberator/vimperator directory? Or must we go back
> to installing XPI's every update?

You can use it with the liberator/vimperator directory just fine.

--
Daniel

From dpb at driftaway.org  Thu Dec  4 07:27:01 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:27:01 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Old Vimperator hg clone dead?
In-Reply-To: <4937E972.5000401@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4937E972.5000401@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: 

2008/12/4 Ted Pavlic :
> Now that the Vimp repo is a true Git repo (and not just a CVS clone), are
> there any plans on updating the old Mercurial clone to clone from the new
> git repo?
>
> FYI, the old Mercurial clone was located at:
>
> http://hg.intevation.org/mirrors/mozdev.org/vimperator-cvs/
>
> It was once upon a time linked to the Vimperator home page as a contributed
> clone.

That url is probably dead anyway. But Thomas has been talking about
making a clone of the git repo, but that most likely will have a
different url once he gets it done. :)

--
Daniel

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 07:29:03 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:29:03 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Linking FF plugin directly to Vimp source with	new
	git repo?
In-Reply-To: <4937EF32.6070408@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4937EF32.6070408@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081204152903.GG21677@jg.home>

On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 09:54:42AM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> In the past, the "vimperator at mozdev.org" directory in the  
> FF/Profiles/extensions directory could be replaced with a file that  
> contained the name of the full path to the vimperator source. That way  
> updates could be applied without having to generate and install a new  
> XPI every time.
>
> With the new combined vimperator+muttator liberator repo, can we still  
> do the same? Do we use the liberator/vimperator directory? Or must we go  
> back to installing XPI's every update?

http://vimperator.org/trac/blog/We%27ve%20moved%20to%20git

Blech. You'd think they'd replace %20 with _.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Please don't fall into the trap of believing that I am terribly
dogmatical about [the goto statement].  I have the uncomfortable
feeling that others are making a religion out of it, as if the
conceptual problems of programming could be solved by a single trick,
by a simple form of coding discipline!
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Dec  4 09:45:37 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:45:37 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :set editor requires quotes now?
Message-ID: <49381741.1050806@tedpavlic.com>

In the past, I had:

	:set editor=gvim -f

in my .vimperatorrc. As of HEAD, I get the complaint

	No such option: undefined

The error seems to be fixed with:

	:set editor='gvim -f'

Are the quotes now necessary for such things?

	--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Dec  4 09:49:37 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:49:37 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] :set editor requires quotes now?
In-Reply-To: <49381741.1050806@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49381741.1050806@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: 

You should also be able to do :set editor=gvim\ -f

The reason is, we finally support :set editor="foo" fullscreen nousermode

(so many options at once, very nice work from Kris!).

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Ted Pavlic  wrote:
> In the past, I had:
>
>        :set editor=gvim -f
>
> in my .vimperatorrc. As of HEAD, I get the complaint
>
>        No such option: undefined
>
> The error seems to be fixed with:
>
>        :set editor='gvim -f'
>
> Are the quotes now necessary for such things?
>
>        --Ted
>
> --
> Ted Pavlic 
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 10:59:46 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:59:46 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :set editor requires quotes now?
In-Reply-To: <49381741.1050806@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49381741.1050806@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081204185946.GH21677@jg.home>

On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:45:37PM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> In the past, I had:
>
> Are the quotes now necessary for such things?

As always, when tracking git, pay careful attention to the 
commit log and the NEWS file:

%git show HEAD~2
commit 22bbbe6ad095f030a8ab9acd0635e7fb8b116ce6
Author: Kris Maglione 
Date:   Thu Dec 4 12:06:38 2008 -0500

     Allow :se foo nobar baz="Foo. No bar in this town."

...
diff --git a/vimperator/NEWS b/vimperator/NEWS
index b8ac12b..24a3793 100644
--- a/vimperator/NEWS
+++ b/vimperator/NEWS
@@ -1,5 +1,7 @@
  2008-XX-XX:
      * version 2.0 (probably)
+    * IMPORTANT: :set now sets multiple options, as in Vim. Spaces in values
+      must be quoted or escaped.
      * IMPORTANT: Due to much improved autocompletion, changed default 'complete' option
        value to 'sfl', listing intelligent Firefox location bar results. Removed possibility
        to use 'h' in 'complete'.
...

-- 
Kris Maglione

One of my most productive days was throwing away 1000 lines of code.
	--Ken Thompson


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Dec  4 11:31:50 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:31:50 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :set editor requires quotes now?
In-Reply-To: <20081204185946.GH21677@jg.home>
References: <49381741.1050806@tedpavlic.com> <20081204185946.GH21677@jg.home>
Message-ID: <49383026.5050907@tedpavlic.com>

Sorry -- I miss the Mercurial repo. I have to get used to reviewing 
changesets with git.

It's especially frustrating that I can't do a "git pull" while in the 
vimperator directory. I could do an "hg pull" from anywhere within the 
repo, but I can only "git pull" from the liberator directory. :( Oh, 
well... the little things. I guess that's why it's called "git."

Thanks --
Ted

Kris Maglione wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:45:37PM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>> In the past, I had:
>> 
>> Are the quotes now necessary for such things?
> 
> As always, when tracking git, pay careful attention to the commit log
> and the NEWS file:
> 
> %git show HEAD~2 commit 22bbbe6ad095f030a8ab9acd0635e7fb8b116ce6 
> Author: Kris Maglione  Date:   Thu Dec 4
> 12:06:38 2008 -0500
> 
> Allow :se foo nobar baz="Foo. No bar in this town."
> 
> ... diff --git a/vimperator/NEWS b/vimperator/NEWS index
> b8ac12b..24a3793 100644 --- a/vimperator/NEWS +++ b/vimperator/NEWS 
> @@ -1,5 +1,7 @@ 2008-XX-XX: * version 2.0 (probably) +    *
> IMPORTANT: :set now sets multiple options, as in Vim. Spaces in
> values +      must be quoted or escaped. * IMPORTANT: Due to much
> improved autocompletion, changed default 'complete' option value to
> 'sfl', listing intelligent Firefox location bar results. Removed
> possibility to use 'h' in 'complete'. ...
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Dec  4 11:42:55 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:42:55 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :set editor requires quotes now?
In-Reply-To: <49383026.5050907@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49381741.1050806@tedpavlic.com> <20081204185946.GH21677@jg.home>
	<49383026.5050907@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <493832BF.40506@tedpavlic.com>

> It's especially frustrating that I can't do a "git pull" while in the 
> vimperator directory. I could do an "hg pull" from anywhere within the 
> repo, but I can only "git pull" from the liberator directory. :( Oh, 
> well... the little things. I guess that's why it's called "git."

The problem was that I made a symlink from the buried "vimperator" 
directory, and git couldn't step down the symlink to discover its true 
parent.

So I withdraw my objection.

--Ted


> 
> Thanks --
> Ted
> 
> Kris Maglione wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:45:37PM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>>> In the past, I had:
>>>
>>> Are the quotes now necessary for such things?
>> As always, when tracking git, pay careful attention to the commit log
>> and the NEWS file:
>>
>> %git show HEAD~2 commit 22bbbe6ad095f030a8ab9acd0635e7fb8b116ce6 
>> Author: Kris Maglione  Date:   Thu Dec 4
>> 12:06:38 2008 -0500
>>
>> Allow :se foo nobar baz="Foo. No bar in this town."
>>
>> ... diff --git a/vimperator/NEWS b/vimperator/NEWS index
>> b8ac12b..24a3793 100644 --- a/vimperator/NEWS +++ b/vimperator/NEWS 
>> @@ -1,5 +1,7 @@ 2008-XX-XX: * version 2.0 (probably) +    *
>> IMPORTANT: :set now sets multiple options, as in Vim. Spaces in
>> values +      must be quoted or escaped. * IMPORTANT: Due to much
>> improved autocompletion, changed default 'complete' option value to
>> 'sfl', listing intelligent Firefox location bar results. Removed
>> possibility to use 'h' in 'complete'. ...
>>
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Dec  4 18:30:37 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:30:37 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Questions (bugs? reqs?) regarding shcf option
Message-ID: <4938924D.7080401@tedpavlic.com>

VimpDevs&Users --

	Because I'm on a Mac, I like to...

	:set shcf=-lc

The login option makes sure that my PATH is set correctly. If use the 
normal -c option, then I get stuck with the Mac system path (which has 
to be set in a hokey way that most people avoid because it's redundant 
and inconvenient).

	*) That helps me with ":!..." commands, but it doesn't help me with 
editor. That is, it appears like the editor is being called directly 
instead of being exec'd from the shell. It would be *NICE* if the editor 
was also called from the shell so the editor would inherit my  login path.

	*) Because my "gvim" script lives in /usr/local/bin, which is outside 
the standard Mac path, I either have to specify the path directly in the 
editor option or I have to create a "gvim" symlink in a standard Mac 
math. It would be *NICE* if editor could be made to search through the 
post-login-shell path.

A kind of "editorshcf" and/or "editorsearchshcf" option might be a nice 
solution to these "problems."

	Thoughts? --
	Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec  5 05:24:02 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:24:02 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Linking FF plugin directly to Vimp source with	new
 git repo?
In-Reply-To: <20081204152903.GG21677@jg.home>
References: <4937EF32.6070408@tedpavlic.com> <20081204152903.GG21677@jg.home>
Message-ID: <49392B72.3050102@tedpavlic.com>

Thanks.

And I assume that

	make xpi

is only required when content needs to be generated (e.g., help files, 
etc.), right?

	--Ted

Kris Maglione wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 09:54:42AM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>> In the past, the "vimperator at mozdev.org" directory in the  
>> FF/Profiles/extensions directory could be replaced with a file that  
>> contained the name of the full path to the vimperator source. That way  
>> updates could be applied without having to generate and install a new  
>> XPI every time.
>>
>> With the new combined vimperator+muttator liberator repo, can we still  
>> do the same? Do we use the liberator/vimperator directory? Or must we go  
>> back to installing XPI's every update?
> 
> http://vimperator.org/trac/blog/We%27ve%20moved%20to%20git
> 
> Blech. You'd think they'd replace %20 with _.
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec  5 05:29:53 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:29:53 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] VimpCVS tab numbering breaks proper tab rendering
In-Reply-To: <4931C4F9.60502@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4931543F.4090906@tedpavlic.com> <493155B9.8090709@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<4931C4F9.60502@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49392CD1.4090503@tedpavlic.com>

> All I know is that with these same settings, I used to get tab numbering 
> in Windows and NO tab numbering in OS X. Later, when tab numbering got 
> removed (due to some Muttator issues, IIRC), neither OS had tab 
> numbering. Now that it's put back, the OS X Firefox has tab numbering 
> with those "stretched out" tabs.

Update: I actually can't turn tab numbering **OFF** now (in OS X). For 
example, at the moment,

	:set go?

returns

	guioptions=mTb

but I still have a tab number. Setting go+=N and go-=N toggles changes 
to the (stretched out) icon, but go+=n and go-=n makes no difference. 
It's as if "n" is always on.

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec  5 05:33:51 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:33:51 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Shouldn't ":set cpt? wildmode?" return two options,
	like Vim?
Message-ID: <49392DBF.6070604@tedpavlic.com>

Right now we can set multiple options at a time... shouldn't we be able 
to get them multiple at a time? Like Vim?

Try:

	:set go? wildmode?

In Vim, that displays

	guioptions=egrLtT
	wildmode=full

But in Vimperator, that displays

	wildmode=list:full

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec  5 05:35:53 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:35:53 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] In HEAD, open completion gets rid of open
Message-ID: <49392E39.3070008@tedpavlic.com>

Right now, I have:

	:set cpt? ---> complete=lf
	:set wildmode? ---> wildmode=list:full

As of HEAD, when I do:

	:open en.wik

to complete a wikipedia URL from my "Smart Completions" list, the link 
gets completed, but the "open" gets obliterated. So I'm left with

	:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Watchlist

:(

	--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec  5 05:40:34 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:40:34 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Tab numbering go options reversed
Message-ID: <49392F52.3030708@tedpavlic.com>

As of HEAD, on my WINDOWS system, the tab numbering guioptions do the 
reverse of what they should. That is,

	:set go-=nN

inserts *BOTH* numbers, but

	:set go+=nN

takes them BOTH away.

	--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 06:08:15 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:08:15 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Linking FF plugin directly to Vimp source with	new
	git repo?
In-Reply-To: <49392B72.3050102@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4937EF32.6070408@tedpavlic.com> <20081204152903.GG21677@jg.home>
	<49392B72.3050102@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081205140815.GI21677@jg.home>

On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 08:24:02AM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> is only required when content needs to be generated (e.g., help files,  
> etc.), right?

make xpi is never required. Use make doc

-- 
Kris Maglione

Fast, fat computers breed slow, lazy programmers.
	--Robert Hummel


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec  5 06:14:56 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:14:56 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Tab numbering go options reversed
In-Reply-To: <49392F52.3030708@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49392F52.3030708@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49393760.7090006@tedpavlic.com>

This problem was caused by this changeset:

=====
commit 43c876ab0948c1a3296cb1e975f7326a576d59ee
Author: Kris Maglione 
Date:   Thu Dec 4 15:58:19 2008 -0500

     Add go=r to toggle the scrollbar
=====

Additionally, on both my Windows and my OS X machine, I see *no* 
scrollbar (with this changeset) regardless of whether or not go includes 
"r".

--Ted

Ted Pavlic wrote:
> As of HEAD, on my WINDOWS system, the tab numbering guioptions do the 
> reverse of what they should. That is,
> 
> 	:set go-=nN
> 
> inserts *BOTH* numbers, but
> 
> 	:set go+=nN
> 
> takes them BOTH away.
> 
> 	--Ted
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec  5 06:17:15 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:17:15 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Tab numbering go options reversed
In-Reply-To: <49393760.7090006@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49392F52.3030708@tedpavlic.com> <49393760.7090006@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <493937EB.4030107@tedpavlic.com>

> Additionally, on both my Windows and my OS X machine, I see *no* 
> scrollbar (with this changeset) regardless of whether or not go includes 
> "r".

Correction: The scrollbar doesn't appear until the next page refresh.

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec  5 06:30:08 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:30:08 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Tab numbering go options reversed
In-Reply-To: <49393760.7090006@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49392F52.3030708@tedpavlic.com> <49393760.7090006@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49393AF0.8080107@tedpavlic.com>

> =====
> commit 43c876ab0948c1a3296cb1e975f7326a576d59ee
> Author: Kris Maglione 
> Date:   Thu Dec 4 15:58:19 2008 -0500
> 
>      Add go=r to toggle the scrollbar
> =====

Attached (single-line) patch (to HEAD) fixes the reversal.



-- 
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From dougkearns at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 06:50:35 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 01:50:35 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] VimpCVS tab numbering breaks proper tab rendering
In-Reply-To: <49392CD1.4090503@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4931543F.4090906@tedpavlic.com> <493155B9.8090709@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<4931C4F9.60502@tedpavlic.com> <49392CD1.4090503@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0812050650h604e55d9kf1340747736570b2@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/6/08, Ted Pavlic  wrote:
> > All I know is that with these same settings, I used to get tab numbering
> in Windows and NO tab numbering in OS X. Later, when tab numbering got
> removed (due to some Muttator issues, IIRC), neither OS had tab numbering.
> Now that it's put back, the OS X Firefox has tab numbering with those
> "stretched out" tabs.
> >
>
>  Update: I actually can't turn tab numbering **OFF** now (in OS X). For
> example, at the moment,
>
>         :set go?
>
>  returns
>
>         guioptions=mTb
>
>  but I still have a tab number. Setting go+=N and go-=N toggles changes to
> the (stretched out) icon, but go+=n and go-=n makes no difference. It's as
> if "n" is always on.

I've seen some very odd behaviour recently where the meaning of n and
N has swapped.

Doug

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 07:50:57 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:50:57 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Tab numbering go options reversed
In-Reply-To: <49393AF0.8080107@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49392F52.3030708@tedpavlic.com> <49393760.7090006@tedpavlic.com>
	<49393AF0.8080107@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081205155057.GJ21677@jg.home>

On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 09:30:08AM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> Attached (single-line) patch (to HEAD) fixes the reversal.

Fixed. Thanks.

-- 
Kris Maglione

A program is portable to the extent that it can be easily moved to a
new computing environment with much less effort than would be required
to write it afresh.
	--W. Stan Brown


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec  5 08:03:32 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:03:32 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] In HEAD, open completion gets rid of open
In-Reply-To: <49392E39.3070008@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49392E39.3070008@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <493950D4.6040708@tedpavlic.com>

The problem is caused by this changeset:

====
commit 29618ec630aeb505fdb1ea543fd8e5c250043e0a
Author: Kris Maglione 
Date:   Fri Dec 5 07:31:58 2008 -0500

     No mapping found
====


Ted Pavlic wrote:
> Right now, I have:
> 
> 	:set cpt? ---> complete=lf
> 	:set wildmode? ---> wildmode=list:full
> 
> As of HEAD, when I do:
> 
> 	:open en.wik
> 
> to complete a wikipedia URL from my "Smart Completions" list, the link 
> gets completed, but the "open" gets obliterated. So I'm left with
> 
> 	:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Watchlist
> 
> :(
> 
> 	--Ted
> 

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec  5 08:06:49 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:06:49 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] In HEAD, open completion gets rid of open
In-Reply-To: <493950D4.6040708@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49392E39.3070008@tedpavlic.com> <493950D4.6040708@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49395199.7030504@tedpavlic.com>

> The problem is caused by this changeset:
> 
> ====
> commit 29618ec630aeb505fdb1ea543fd8e5c250043e0a
> Author: Kris Maglione 
> Date:   Fri Dec 5 07:31:58 2008 -0500
> 
>      No mapping found
> ====

The attached (one line) patch fixes the problem. Does it cause other 
problems?


-- 
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 08:09:36 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:09:36 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] In HEAD, open completion gets rid of open
In-Reply-To: <49395199.7030504@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49392E39.3070008@tedpavlic.com> <493950D4.6040708@tedpavlic.com>
	<49395199.7030504@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081205160936.GK21677@jg.home>

On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 11:06:49AM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> The attached (one line) patch fixes the problem. Does it cause other  
> problems?

Sorry. I rather suspected that change would cause problems. I 
(obviously) hadn't intended to commit it just then.

-- 
Kris Maglione

I just hate to be pushed around by some fucking machine.
	--Ken Thompson


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec  5 08:32:01 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:32:01 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] go=r isn't just RIGHT scrollbar, right?
Message-ID: <49395781.7000106@tedpavlic.com>

It appears like

	:set go+=r

turns on the right and BOTTOM scrollbars. Is the bottom scrollbar 
supposed to be handled separately? I know that the letter "r" is used 
because it's supposed to handle the "R"ight scrollbar.

	--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec  5 08:44:04 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:44:04 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :set shcf='-l -c' doesn't work
Message-ID: <49395A54.7030407@tedpavlic.com>

In HEAD (and HEAD~lots), I can't insert spaces in shcf and have the 
shell command work. That is,

	:set shcf=-lc

works. I can do ":!pwd" and get the working directory. However,

	:set shcf='-l -c'

and

	:set shcf=-l\ -c

cause ":!pwd" to give me a blank line and "shell returned 2".

	It seems like I should be able to pass flags with spaces to the shell. 

	--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec  5 08:51:58 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:51:58 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :set shcf='-l -c' doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <49395A54.7030407@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49395A54.7030407@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49395C2E.1060203@tedpavlic.com>

> works. I can do ":!pwd" and get the working directory. However,
> 	:set shcf='-l -c'
> cause ":!pwd" to give me a blank line and "shell returned 2".

On MDC, it looks like nsIProcess's "run" method wants "args" to be an 
array of count arguments.

So before "run" is called, args needs to be split on spaces. Right?

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 09:09:20 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:09:20 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :set shcf='-l -c' doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <49395C2E.1060203@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49395A54.7030407@tedpavlic.com> <49395C2E.1060203@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081205170920.GL21677@jg.home>

On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 11:51:58AM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>> works. I can do ":!pwd" and get the working directory. However,
>> 	:set shcf='-l -c'
>> cause ":!pwd" to give me a blank line and "shell returned 2".
>
> On MDC, it looks like nsIProcess's "run" method wants "args" to be an  
> array of count arguments.
>
> So before "run" is called, args needs to be split on spaces. Right?

Yes, we assume shcf is one argument. Just use shcf=-lc

-- 
Kris Maglione

Pessimists, we're told, look at a glass containing 50% air and 50%
water and see it as half empty.  Optimists, in contrast, see it as
half full.  Engineers, of course, understand the glass is twice as big
as it needs to be.
	--Bob Lewis


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 09:24:22 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:24:22 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] go=r isn't just RIGHT scrollbar, right?
In-Reply-To: <49395781.7000106@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49395781.7000106@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081205172422.GM21677@jg.home>

On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 11:32:01AM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> It appears like
>
> 	:set go+=r
>
> turns on the right and BOTTOM scrollbars. Is the bottom scrollbar  
> supposed to be handled separately? I know that the letter "r" is used  
> because it's supposed to handle the "R"ight scrollbar.

Done.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Pessimists, we're told, look at a glass containing 50% air and 50%
water and see it as half empty.  Optimists, in contrast, see it as
half full.  Engineers, of course, understand the glass is twice as big
as it needs to be.
	--Bob Lewis


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec  5 09:47:49 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:47:49 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] go=r isn't just RIGHT scrollbar, right?
In-Reply-To: <20081205172422.GM21677@jg.home>
References: <49395781.7000106@tedpavlic.com> <20081205172422.GM21677@jg.home>
Message-ID: <49396945.9@tedpavlic.com>

> 
> Done.
> 

In my .vimperatorrc, I now have:

	:set go=rbBTn

Inside vim, if I then do:

	:set go-=r

I get:

	Processing keypress event: TypeErrr: this.opts[o] is undefined

:(

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec  5 10:17:10 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:17:10 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] go=r isn't just RIGHT scrollbar, right?
In-Reply-To: <49396945.9@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49395781.7000106@tedpavlic.com> <20081205172422.GM21677@jg.home>
	<49396945.9@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49397026.1050505@tedpavlic.com>

> 	:set go-=r
> 
> I get:
> 
> 	Processing keypress event: TypeErrr: this.opts[o] is undefined

Also,

	:set go+=l

gives

	E474: Invalid argument: l

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 10:36:52 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:36:52 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] go=r isn't just RIGHT scrollbar, right?
In-Reply-To: <49397026.1050505@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49395781.7000106@tedpavlic.com> <20081205172422.GM21677@jg.home>
	<49396945.9@tedpavlic.com> <49397026.1050505@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081205183652.GN21677@jg.home>

On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 01:17:10PM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> Also,
>
> 	:set go+=l
>
> gives
>
> 	E474: Invalid argument: l

Firefox can only have one scrollbar, so you can only have l or 
r. You'll get an error if you try to set both.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec  5 10:49:18 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:49:18 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] go=r isn't just RIGHT scrollbar, right?
In-Reply-To: <20081205172422.GM21677@jg.home>
References: <49395781.7000106@tedpavlic.com> <20081205172422.GM21677@jg.home>
Message-ID: <493977AE.9040308@tedpavlic.com>

>> It appears like
>>
>> 	:set go+=r
>>
>> turns on the right and BOTTOM scrollbars. Is the bottom scrollbar  
>> supposed to be handled separately? I know that the letter "r" is used  
>> because it's supposed to handle the "R"ight scrollbar.

Is there any way to have the scroll bars turn on and off 
instantaneously, just like the other guioptions? That is, is the refresh 
necessary? Could a screen refresh be... forced?

Would that be a good thing?

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec  5 10:50:06 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:50:06 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] go=r isn't just RIGHT scrollbar, right?
In-Reply-To: <49396945.9@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49395781.7000106@tedpavlic.com> <20081205172422.GM21677@jg.home>
	<49396945.9@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <493977DE.8080202@tedpavlic.com>

> 	Processing keypress event: TypeErrr: this.opts[o] is undefined

OK... This just got fixed, but now rbl guioptions don't seem to do 
*anything*. That is, my scroll bars are *now* *ALWAYS* off.

--ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 11:27:10 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:27:10 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] go=r isn't just RIGHT scrollbar, right?
In-Reply-To: <493977AE.9040308@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49395781.7000106@tedpavlic.com> <20081205172422.GM21677@jg.home>
	<493977AE.9040308@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081205192710.GO21677@jg.home>

On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 01:49:18PM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> Is there any way to have the scroll bars turn on and off  
> instantaneously, just like the other guioptions? That is, is the refresh  
> necessary? Could a screen refresh be... forced?
>
> Would that be a good thing?

No, there's not. Yes, the refresh is necessary. No, the refresh 
can't be forced. It wouldn't be a good thing, unless you want to 
get throttled by someone on dialup, or who loses some form data, 
or pays for something twice, or ...

-- 
Kris Maglione

Correctness is clearly the prime quality.  If a system does not do
what it is supposed to do, then everything else about it matters
little.
	--Bertrand Meyer


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 11:28:07 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:28:07 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] go=r isn't just RIGHT scrollbar, right?
In-Reply-To: <493977DE.8080202@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49395781.7000106@tedpavlic.com> <20081205172422.GM21677@jg.home>
	<49396945.9@tedpavlic.com> <493977DE.8080202@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081205192807.GP21677@jg.home>

On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 01:50:06PM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> OK... This just got fixed, but now rbl guioptions don't seem to do  
> *anything*. That is, my scroll bars are *now* *ALWAYS* off.

Yeah, a typo. I shouldn't be committing when I'm not awake.

That said, please send these kinds of messages to the committer 
in the future. And *PLEASE* stop with the *emphasis*. It's 
annoying.

-- 
Kris Maglione

The only thing more frightening than a programmer with a screwdriver
or a hardware engineer with a program is a user with a pair of wire
cutters and the root password.
	--Elizabeth Zwicky


From ervandew at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 18:46:37 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:46:37 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Proposed patch to improve next/prev page key
	bindings.
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Eric Van Dewoestine
 wrote:
> One very convenient feature of vimperator is the support for key
> bindings which locate and follow next/prev links while on a multi-page
> document sequence.  However, depending on the site I'm on, these key
> bindings can be hit or miss.  It's not the default search pattern that
> causes the problem, but the occurrence of a link which is not a
> next/prev link, but still matches nextpattern/prevpattern.  Reddit is
> one site where I've given up using ']]' to jump to the next page,
> because too many times there was a story with the word 'next' in it
> that was followed instead.
>
> As a bit of a contrived example, consider a search for the word 'next'
> on google (http://www.google.com/search?q=next).  Almost every search
> result link has the word 'next' in it, so trying to use ']]' will take
> you to the first search result instead of taking you to the next page
> of results.
>
> To solve this problem I've created a patch which adds a new option
> which indicates where on the page (top/bottom) to begin searching for
> next/prev links.  So far it has been working great.  All the
> problematic sites have been those which only have next/prev links at
> the bottom of the page, and having set the new option to 'bottom',
> vimperator finds the correct link 100% of the time for me know.
>
> I know there is a reluctance to add more options to vimperator, but I
> really feel that this is a worth while one to have.  It can also be
> used in conjunction with auto commands to set the best value for
> specific sites, making '[[' and ']]' much more reliable.

I never got a response for this, so I figured I'd bring it to
everyone's attention again and include a new patch that has been
updated for the latest liberator head.

--
eric
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From cbill.lam at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 19:49:48 2008
From: cbill.lam at gmail.com (bill lam)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:49:48 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] hint activate tab
Message-ID: <20081206034948.GB6799@b2j>

I configure FF so that it does not activate the new tab when click
on url to open in a new tab. How do I override this setting when using
"F" so that it can also activate the new tab if I wish?

-- 
regards,
====================================================
GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24
gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3
??198 ??  ??????
    ???????  ???????  ???????  ???????
    ???????  ???????  ???????  ???????

From teramako at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 20:15:47 2008
From: teramako at gmail.com (M.Terada)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:15:47 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] hint activate tab
In-Reply-To: <20081206034948.GB6799@b2j>
References: <20081206034948.GB6799@b2j>
Message-ID: <6eebba490812052015t688df9a0ye7805c1be4b2b871@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

noremap F ;b

It's able to open into a new background tab

Best regards.
----
teramako
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/teramako/




2008/12/6 bill lam :
> I configure FF so that it does not activate the new tab when click
> on url to open in a new tab. How do I override this setting when using
> "F" so that it can also activate the new tab if I wish?
>
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From cbill.lam at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 21:02:40 2008
From: cbill.lam at gmail.com (bill lam)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:02:40 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] hint activate tab
In-Reply-To: <6eebba490812052015t688df9a0ye7805c1be4b2b871@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081206034948.GB6799@b2j>
	<6eebba490812052015t688df9a0ye7805c1be4b2b871@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081206050240.GC6799@b2j>

On Sat, 06 Dec 2008, M.Terada wrote:
> noremap F ;b

Thanks. Although there is no ;b I managed to use ;T .
It requires an additional  after typing the numbers.

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From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Sat Dec  6 02:05:49 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 11:05:49 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Proposed patch to improve next/prev page key
	bindings.
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
Message-ID: <493A4E7D.5000209@vimperator.org>

Hi Eric,

On 2008-12-06 03:46, Eric Van Dewoestine wrote:

>> I know there is a reluctance to add more options to vimperator


Right :)

>>, but I
>> really feel that this is a worth while one to have.  It can also be
>> used in conjunction with auto commands to set the best value for
>> specific sites, making '[[' and ']]' much more reliable.

 
> I never got a response for this, so I figured I'd bring it to
> everyone's attention again and include a new patch that has been
> updated for the latest liberator head.


I am sorry i replied so late, but had to think about the patch (which is well
written, so this is not the problem).

But I came to the conclusion that I don't want that in the vimperator
core. It's really just a workaround for a problem which cannot fix all cases
anyway. For me the way to go would be to allow:

:autocmd LocationChange reddit.com :map   ]] :js liberator.open(buffer.evaluateXPath(...).location.href)

This could make a great plugin which special cases ]] and [[ for a lot of commands.

I actually hardly use ]] although i still think it can be very useful, but
if some other users can try this patch, and think that the reverse order generally
makes more sense, i am not against changing the default search order to
reverse.

Sorry for that answer, since you really put a lot of effort in the patch,
but I think we need to solve that problem with a better approach :(


best regards,

Martin

From ervandew at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 08:39:18 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:39:18 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Proposed patch to improve next/prev page key
	bindings.
In-Reply-To: <493A4E7D.5000209@vimperator.org>
References: 
	
	<493A4E7D.5000209@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: 

> I am sorry i replied so late, but had to think about the patch (which is well
> written, so this is not the problem).
>
> But I came to the conclusion that I don't want that in the vimperator
> core. It's really just a workaround for a problem which cannot fix all cases
> anyway. For me the way to go would be to allow:
>
> :autocmd LocationChange reddit.com :map   ]] :js liberator.open(buffer.evaluateXPath(...).location.href)
>
> This could make a great plugin which special cases ]] and [[ for a lot of commands.

The problem I see with making this a plugin is that it puts the burden
on the user to make [[ and ]] more predictable.  In my opinion, if
those mappings are to remain in the vimperator core then they should
be more reliable by default.

> I actually hardly use ]] although i still think it can be very useful, but
> if some other users can try this patch, and think that the reverse order generally
> makes more sense, i am not against changing the default search order to
> reverse.

I totally understand the reluctance to add the new option, and the
only reason I added it was because I figured the additional
flexibility was worth it.  However, if you're open to simply changing
the default search order, then I think that is a valid solution, since
just doing that has completely solved next/prev usage for me.

Attached is an updated patch which simply changes the search to start
at the bottom of the page.  Hopefully some users are willing to give
it a shot and offer an opinion.

> Sorry for that answer, since you really put a lot of effort in the patch,
> but I think we need to solve that problem with a better approach :(

Nothing to be sorry about.  I appreciate you taking the time to
consider this and offering constructive feedback.

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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 10:08:42 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:08:42 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Proposed patch to improve next/prev page
	key	bindings.
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
	<493A4E7D.5000209@vimperator.org>
	
Message-ID: <20081206180842.GQ21677@jg.home>

On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 08:39:18AM -0800, Eric Van Dewoestine wrote:
>Attached is an updated patch which simply changes the search to start
>at the bottom of the page.  Hopefully some users are willing to give
>it a shot and offer an opinion.

Ok, we've pretty much agreed that this is the way to go, so I've 
implemented it. I'm afraid I haven't used your patch. Anyone 
else probably would have, but applying other people's patches 
isn't my style. Thanks.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Comparing to another activity is useful if it helps you formulate
questions, it's dangerous when you use it to justify answers.
	--Martin Fowler


From ervandew at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 12:20:41 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:20:41 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Proposed patch to improve next/prev page key
	bindings.
In-Reply-To: <20081206180842.GQ21677@jg.home>
References: 
	
	<493A4E7D.5000209@vimperator.org>
	
	<20081206180842.GQ21677@jg.home>
Message-ID: 

> Ok, we've pretty much agreed that this is the way to go, so I've implemented
> it. I'm afraid I haven't used your patch. Anyone else probably would have,
> but applying other people's patches isn't my style. Thanks.

lol, ok.  Just glad to see the functionality applied. One thing I
noticed when looking at your change though, is that it appears you
missed one spot.  Here is a quick patch:

diff --git a/common/content/buffer.js b/common/content/buffer.js
index a2159bf..0057540 100644
--- a/common/content/buffer.js
+++ b/common/content/buffer.js
@@ -980,7 +980,7 @@ function Buffer() //{{{
                 elems = frame.document.getElementsByTagName("a");
                 for (let elem in iter(elems))
                 {
-                    buffer.followLink(elems[i], liberator.CURRENT_TAB);
+                    buffer.followLink(elem, liberator.CURRENT_TAB);
                     return true;
                 }

Thank you to you both for taking the time consider this.

--
eric

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 12:39:45 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:39:45 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Proposed patch to improve next/prev page
	key	bindings.
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
	<493A4E7D.5000209@vimperator.org>
	
	<20081206180842.GQ21677@jg.home>
	
Message-ID: <20081206203945.GR21677@jg.home>

On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 12:20:41PM -0800, Eric Van Dewoestine wrote:
>> Ok, we've pretty much agreed that this is the way to go, so I've implemented
>> it. I'm afraid I haven't used your patch. Anyone else probably would have,
>> but applying other people's patches isn't my style. Thanks.
>
>lol, ok.  Just glad to see the functionality applied. One thing I
>noticed when looking at your change though, is that it appears you
>missed one spot.  Here is a quick patch:

Thanks. It's funny how things work when you test them, and 
they're still wrong.

-- 
Kris Maglione

UNIX is simple.  It just takes a genius to understand its simplicity.
	--Dennis Ritchie


From cbill.lam at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 18:43:55 2008
From: cbill.lam at gmail.com (bill lam)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:43:55 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] transparent background for hintable item
Message-ID: <20081207024355.GA6938@b2j>

When I press f or F, the numbers are shown on a solid red background.
This cause a problem when those items are closely packed together, eg.
on some forum webpages. It hides the text for the items and adjacent
hints overlap with each other.  Is it possible to set the background
transparent instead of solid red?

a screenshot is attached.

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From penryu at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 22:19:56 2008
From: penryu at gmail.com (Tim Hammerquist)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:19:56 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] transparent background for hintable item
In-Reply-To: <20081207024355.GA6938@b2j>
References: <20081207024355.GA6938@b2j>
Message-ID: <20081208061956.GA5605@ayane.saiyix>

On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 10:43:55AM +0800, bill lam wrote:
> When I press f or F, the numbers are shown on a solid red
> background.  This cause a problem when those items are closely
> packed together, eg.  on some forum webpages. It hides the text for
> the items and adjacent hints overlap with each other.  Is it
> possible to set the background transparent instead of solid red?

I accomplished this by using rgba() to set the background attribute of
the Hint highlight.  In this case, I changed the solid bright red to a
semi-translucent dark red:

  highlight Hint z-index:5000;font:normal 8pt sans-serif;
    color:white;background:rgba(192,0,0,0.7);
    padding:0px 1px 0px 1px;position:absolute

That is one long, continuous line in my .vimperatorrc.  The 0.7 as the
4th argument to rgba() makes the hint background 70% opaque; you can
tweak the value until it looks right to you, 0 being completely
transparent.

HTH,

Tim Hammerquist


From dpb at driftaway.org  Mon Dec  8 01:13:24 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:13:24 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] :set shcf='-l -c' doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <20081205170920.GL21677@jg.home>
References: <49395A54.7030407@tedpavlic.com> <49395C2E.1060203@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081205170920.GL21677@jg.home>
Message-ID: 

2008/12/5 Kris Maglione :
> On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 11:51:58AM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>>>
>>> works. I can do ":!pwd" and get the working directory. However,
>>>        :set shcf='-l -c'
>>> cause ":!pwd" to give me a blank line and "shell returned 2".
>>
>> On MDC, it looks like nsIProcess's "run" method wants "args" to be an
>>  array of count arguments.
>>
>> So before "run" is called, args needs to be split on spaces. Right?
>
> Yes, we assume shcf is one argument. Just use shcf=-lc

That isn't nice if one wants to use some exotic shell that doesn't
support that. It really should support spaces.

--
Daniel

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 03:59:34 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 06:59:34 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] transparent background for hintable item
In-Reply-To: <20081208061956.GA5605@ayane.saiyix>
References: <20081207024355.GA6938@b2j> <20081208061956.GA5605@ayane.saiyix>
Message-ID: <20081208115934.GS21677@jg.home>

>That is one long, continuous line in my .vimperatorrc.  The 0.7 as the
>4th argument to rgba() makes the hint background 70% opaque; you can
>tweak the value until it looks right to you, 0 being completely
>transparent.

Or you can just do :hi -a Hint opacity: .7

-- 
Kris Maglione

Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.
	--Albert Einstein


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 04:02:01 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:02:01 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :set shcf='-l -c' doesn't work
In-Reply-To: 
References: <49395A54.7030407@tedpavlic.com> <49395C2E.1060203@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081205170920.GL21677@jg.home>
	
Message-ID: <20081208120201.GT21677@jg.home>

On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 11:13:24AM +0200, Daniel Bainton wrote:
>That isn't nice if one wants to use some exotic shell that doesn't
>support that. It really should support spaces.

set shell=/bin/sh
set shcf='-cexec /bin/foobarshell -l -c "$@"'

cat <>bin/myshell
#!/bin/sh
exec /bin/foobarshell -l "$@"
EOF
set shell=~/bin/myshell

It does say "flag" and not "flags".

-- 
Kris Maglione

Deleted code is debugged code.
	--Jeff Sickel


From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Mon Dec  8 04:07:15 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:07:15 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] :set shcf='-l -c' doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <20081208120201.GT21677@jg.home>
References: <49395A54.7030407@tedpavlic.com>
	<49395C2E.1060203@tedpavlic.com>	<20081205170920.GL21677@jg.home>	
	<20081208120201.GT21677@jg.home>
Message-ID: <493D0DF3.3080000@vimperator.org>

I understand, that you don't want to write the code, but I
think Daniel is right, that we should just support multiple
arguments supported by space, no matter what vim does or how
they name the variable. (Hey we just complained, why is it
~/.vim/plugin/? Can one just have a single plugin?)

On 2008-12-08 13:02, Kris Maglione wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 11:13:24AM +0200, Daniel Bainton wrote:
>>That isn't nice if one wants to use some exotic shell that doesn't
>>support that. It really should support spaces.
> 
> set shell=/bin/sh
> set shcf='-cexec /bin/foobarshell -l -c "$@"'
> 
> cat <>bin/myshell
> #!/bin/sh
> exec /bin/foobarshell -l "$@"
> EOF
> set shell=~/bin/myshell
> 
> It does say "flag" and not "flags".
> 



From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Mon Dec  8 04:10:29 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:10:29 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] transparent background for hintable item
In-Reply-To: <20081208115934.GS21677@jg.home>
References: <20081207024355.GA6938@b2j> <20081208061956.GA5605@ayane.saiyix>
	<20081208115934.GS21677@jg.home>
Message-ID: <493D0EB5.2040905@vimperator.org>

On 2008-12-08 12:59, Kris Maglione wrote:

>>That is one long, continuous line in my .vimperatorrc.  The 0.7 as the
>>4th argument to rgba() makes the hint background 70% opaque; you can
>>tweak the value until it looks right to you, 0 being completely
>>transparent.
> 
> Or you can just do :hi -a Hint opacity: .7
> 


No, that looks like shit, as the text is also opaque, rgba() is much better
as it just makes the background tranparent.

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 04:42:55 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:42:55 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :set shcf='-l -c' doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <493D0DF3.3080000@vimperator.org>
References: <49395A54.7030407@tedpavlic.com> <49395C2E.1060203@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081205170920.GL21677@jg.home>
	
	<20081208120201.GT21677@jg.home> <493D0DF3.3080000@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <20081208124255.GU21677@jg.home>

On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 01:07:15PM +0100, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>I understand, that you don't want to write the code, but I
>think Daniel is right, that we should just support multiple
>arguments supported by space, no matter what vim does or how
>they name the variable. (Hey we just complained, why is it
>~/.vim/plugin/? Can one just have a single plugin?)

Hun? It's like 1 line of code. I just don't like the idea.

And, yeah, that .vim/plugin thing burns me all the time.

-- 
Kris Maglione

When you start off by telling those who disagree with you that they
are not merely in error but in sin, how much of a dialogue do you
expect?
	--Thomas Sowell


From dougkearns at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 05:12:56 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:12:56 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] :set shcf='-l -c' doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <493D0DF3.3080000@vimperator.org>
References: <49395A54.7030407@tedpavlic.com> <49395C2E.1060203@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081205170920.GL21677@jg.home>
	
	<20081208120201.GT21677@jg.home> <493D0DF3.3080000@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0812080512m5b910a6bo39edcaaaa61b53de@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Martin Stubenschrott
 wrote:
> I understand, that you don't want to write the code, but I
> think Daniel is right, that we should just support multiple
> arguments supported by space, no matter what vim does or how
> they name the variable.

Vim expects you to :set shell=sh\ -l shellcmdflag=-c

Allowing multiple flags does seem strange...

Doug

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Mon Dec  8 05:13:18 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:13:18 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] :set shcf='-l -c' doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0812080512m5b910a6bo39edcaaaa61b53de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49395A54.7030407@tedpavlic.com>
	<49395C2E.1060203@tedpavlic.com>	<20081205170920.GL21677@jg.home>		<20081208120201.GT21677@jg.home>
	<493D0DF3.3080000@vimperator.org>
	<644fc65e0812080512m5b910a6bo39edcaaaa61b53de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493D1D6E.7050002@vimperator.org>

On 2008-12-08 14:12, Doug Kearns wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Martin Stubenschrott
>  wrote:
>> I understand, that you don't want to write the code, but I
>> think Daniel is right, that we should just support multiple
>> arguments supported by space, no matter what vim does or how
>> they name the variable.
> 
> Vim expects you to :set shell=sh\ -l shellcmdflag=-c


Ah, that's a good point, didn't think about it.

But well, then I don't care, whether we leave it as it is, or not.

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 05:38:09 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:38:09 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :set shcf='-l -c' doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0812080512m5b910a6bo39edcaaaa61b53de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49395A54.7030407@tedpavlic.com> <49395C2E.1060203@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081205170920.GL21677@jg.home>
	
	<20081208120201.GT21677@jg.home> <493D0DF3.3080000@vimperator.org>
	<644fc65e0812080512m5b910a6bo39edcaaaa61b53de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081208133809.GV21677@jg.home>

On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 12:12:56AM +1100, Doug Kearns wrote:
>Vim expects you to :set shell=sh\ -l shellcmdflag=-c

We don't allow that either.

-- 
Kris Maglione

I think conventional languages are for the birds.  They're just
extensions of the von Neumann computer, and they keep our noses in the
dirt of dealing with individual words and computing addresses, and
doing all kinds of silly things like that, things that we've picked up
from programming for computers; we've built them into programming
languages; we've built them into Fortran; we've built them in PL/1;
we've built them into almost every language.
	--John Backus


From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 06:10:10 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:10:10 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] hint background
Message-ID: 

hi group,

I have another question about quick hint links.

When I hit f, all links get a yellow background and a number box
attached to it. However, this doesn't work for all pages. A good
example is a gmail page. The mails get in quick link mode a number
box, but the background is not changed to yellow.
Not a big deal, but the same goes for selected links. The background
of a selected link is not visible either. And that can make tabbing to
a link very difficult.

The quick hint links are made by putting a span in the html page
containing the link text. Obviously, there is something in the span
that overrides the background color of the span. It looks as if it is
not possible to have !important in the style attribute of a span.
WOuld this problem be fixed if the span formatting would be controlled
by css (so that !important can be used)?

Of course, in that case it would be more difficult to control the
colors using the resource file....

regards, Ruud

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 06:23:34 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:23:34 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] hint background
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20081208142334.GW21677@jg.home>

On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 03:10:10PM +0100, ruud grosmann wrote:
>The quick hint links are made by putting a span in the html page
>containing the link text. Obviously, there is something in the span
>that overrides the background color of the span. It looks as if it is
>not possible to have !important in the style attribute of a span.
>Would this problem be fixed if the span formatting would be controlled
>by css (so that !important can be used)?
>
>Of course, in that case it would be more difficult to control the
>colors using the resource file....

It does use CSS, and it always has. You can use !important. In 
the nightlies, though, !important is implied. The hint s 
with the numbers have nothing to do with the background color of 
the element. They're done via CSS classes. The only possible 
time that they won't apply is when the elements have 
style="background:...!important". More likely, you have a 
different problem, i.e., the hint isn't attached to the element 
you think it's attached to, or there's something above it with 
another background (I suppose the latter could be fixed with 
:highlight "Hint *" background-color: whatever).

-- 
Kris Maglione

Are you quite sure that all those bells and whistles, all those
wonderful facilities of your so called powerful programming languages,
belong to the solution set rather than the problem set?
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 06:24:07 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:24:07 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] hint background
In-Reply-To: <20081208142334.GW21677@jg.home>
References: 
	<20081208142334.GW21677@jg.home>
Message-ID: <20081208142407.GX21677@jg.home>

On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 09:23:34AM -0500, Kris Maglione wrote:
> with another background (I suppose the latter could be fixed with  
> :highlight "Hint *" background-color: whatever).

HintElem and HintActive, rather.

-- 
Kris Maglione

C++: an octopus made by nailing extra legs onto a dog.


From cbill.lam at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 07:33:47 2008
From: cbill.lam at gmail.com (bill lam)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 23:33:47 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] transparent background for hintable item
In-Reply-To: <20081208061956.GA5605@ayane.saiyix>
References: <20081207024355.GA6938@b2j> <20081208061956.GA5605@ayane.saiyix>
Message-ID: <20081208153347.GA10847@b2j>

On Sun, 07 Dec 2008, Tim Hammerquist wrote:
>   highlight Hint z-index:5000;font:normal 8pt sans-serif;
>     color:white;background:rgba(192,0,0,0.7);
>     padding:0px 1px 0px 1px;position:absolute

Thank Tim.  This works but I have to use 
:set hs=z-index:5000;font:normal 8pt sans-serif;...

may be I am using ver 1.2 instead of the latest svn codes.

-- 
regards,
====================================================
GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24
gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3
??281 ???  ??
    ???????  ???????  ???????  ???????

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Dec  8 08:03:52 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:03:52 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Bookmark keywords (without arguments) broken?
Message-ID: <493D4568.7090903@tedpavlic.com>

VimpDevs --

	I just noticed that:

	:open bookmarkKeyword stuff

opens the bookmark with "bookmarkKeyword" (and passes "stuff" in as %s), but

	:open bookmarkKeyword

does a Google (defsearch) search for "bookmarkKeyword".

	Bug? I haven't zeroed in on an offending changeset.

	--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Mon Dec  8 08:04:58 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:04:58 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Bookmark keywords (without arguments) broken?
In-Reply-To: <493D4568.7090903@tedpavlic.com>
References: <493D4568.7090903@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <493D45AA.7020301@vimperator.org>

On 2008-12-08 17:03, Ted Pavlic wrote:

> VimpDevs --
> 
> 	I just noticed that:
> 
> 	:open bookmarkKeyword stuff
> 
> opens the bookmark with "bookmarkKeyword" (and passes "stuff" in as %s), but
> 
> 	:open bookmarkKeyword
> 
> does a Google (defsearch) search for "bookmarkKeyword".
> 
> 	Bug? I haven't zeroed in on an offending changeset.
> 
> 	--Ted
> 


I just noticed the same today, haven't investigated.
By the way: You should have commit access now, just in
case you find the problem.

--
Martin

From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 08:06:06 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:06:06 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] hint background
In-Reply-To: <20081208142407.GX21677@jg.home>
References: 
	<20081208142334.GW21677@jg.home> <20081208142407.GX21677@jg.home>
Message-ID: 

On 08/12/2008, Kris Maglione  wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 09:23:34AM -0500, Kris Maglione wrote:
>> with another background (I suppose the latter could be fixed with
>> :highlight "Hint *" background-color: whatever).
>
> HintElem and HintActive, rather.
>

Ah, I was assuming that the span inside the gmail page was inserted by
vimperator, but it isn't. Vimperator inserts an a-element and the
styles apply to that a. This doesn't work for the gmail entries,
because they are surrounded by a span with class 'th'. The span is
surrounded by the vimperator-a. If I disable the google-css for
span.th, the mail entries get a yellow background and a green
background when selected.

The google-css is:

.ts{height:1.3em;overflow:hidden;display:block}

Not important. But why does this overrule the (important) css of vimperator?

Regards, Ruud

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 08:54:00 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:54:00 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] hint background
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<20081208142334.GW21677@jg.home> <20081208142407.GX21677@jg.home>
	
Message-ID: <20081208165400.GY21677@jg.home>

On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 05:06:06PM +0100, ruud grosmann wrote:
>Ah, I was assuming that the span inside the gmail page was inserted by
>vimperator, but it isn't. Vimperator inserts an a-element and the
>styles apply to that a. This doesn't work for the gmail entries,
>because they are surrounded by a span with class 'th'. The span is
>surrounded by the vimperator-a. If I disable the google-css for
>span.th, the mail entries get a yellow background and a green
>background when selected.

As I've said, vimperator doesn't insert anything. It just adds a 
CSS class (or style= rules, depending on the version). And, as 
I've said, it only applies them to the elem it's hinting, so any 
sub-elements with their own backgrounds (that span, when it's 
displayed as a block) cover it. So, again, adding the mentioned 
highlight rules should solve the problem.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off.
	--Nigel Calder, former editor of New Scientist


From zhang.zhengquan at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 11:26:06 2008
From: zhang.zhengquan at gmail.com (zhang zhengquan)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:26:06 -0600
Subject: [Vimperator] :ha command no popup
Message-ID: <128a87f00812081126n77c6c185h7b4915d15ea74a3b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I am a longtime vim and vimperator user,
recently I use :ha command to print lots of webpages to pdf files.
I would like to know if there are ways to pass arguments like save
path and file name to :ha command and avoid the popup printing window.

Thanks.

Zhengquan

From christian.glindkamp at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 12:28:54 2008
From: christian.glindkamp at gmail.com (Christian Glindkamp)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:28:54 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] hint background
In-Reply-To: <20081208165400.GY21677@jg.home>
References: 
	<20081208142334.GW21677@jg.home> <20081208142407.GX21677@jg.home>
	
	<20081208165400.GY21677@jg.home>
Message-ID: <20081208212854.086559b5@gmail.com>

On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:54:00 -0500 Kris Maglione  wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 05:06:06PM +0100, ruud grosmann wrote:
> >Ah, I was assuming that the span inside the gmail page was inserted by
> >vimperator, but it isn't. Vimperator inserts an a-element and the
> >styles apply to that a. This doesn't work for the gmail entries,
> >because they are surrounded by a span with class 'th'. The span is
> >surrounded by the vimperator-a. If I disable the google-css for
> >span.th, the mail entries get a yellow background and a green
> >background when selected.
> 
> As I've said, vimperator doesn't insert anything. It just adds a 
> CSS class 
Well, that means I can now see and style this highlighting altough I
forbid custom colors for websites. Thank you for implementing this
long awaited change.

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Mon Dec  8 12:42:59 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:42:59 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] :ha command no popup
In-Reply-To: <128a87f00812081126n77c6c185h7b4915d15ea74a3b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <128a87f00812081126n77c6c185h7b4915d15ea74a3b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493D86D3.90004@vimperator.org>

On 2008-12-08 20:26, zhang zhengquan wrote:

> Hi,
> I am a longtime vim and vimperator user,
> recently I use :ha command to print lots of webpages to pdf files.
> I would like to know if there are ways to pass arguments like save
> path and file name to :ha command and avoid the popup printing window.


:ha! should work

From Thomas.Svensen at microsoft.com  Mon Dec  8 14:46:59 2008
From: Thomas.Svensen at microsoft.com (Thomas Svensen)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:46:59 +0000
Subject: [Vimperator] Tab completion causes Firefox crash
Message-ID: <3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC163D543D3E@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Hi,

I download the latest builds from the nightly snapshots a couple of times a week,
as I think it is exciting to see the new features and improvements. For the last
week or so, there has been some problems, which I haven't seen anyone else
mention. I hope this feedback can be useful to the developers:

1. With a rather large browsing history, tab completion after ":open" or ":tabopen"
    crashes Firefox every time. When I empty the browsing history, the problem
    goes away. Unfortunately, I can't tell how large my browsing history was, but
    I hadn't emptied it for months, so "quite big", I guess.

2. In hint mode, the no. 1 hint is no longer green. I really appreciated that visual
    distinction, as it made it easy to see when I had typed enough to press Enter.
    Is there any reasoning behind making all hint backgrounds yellow?

3. Somewhat related to point 1, it seems that only the first 12 matches in my
    browsing history is available via tab completion. In previous builds, the list
    would start scrolling when I got to the bottom. Is there any chance of getting
    this behavior back?

This is on Windows Vista, Firefox 3.0.4, latest nightly build.

And thank you for the great effort - it is very much appreciated!

Regards

Thomas S.

From mchalkley at mail.com  Mon Dec  8 15:06:05 2008
From: mchalkley at mail.com (mchalkley at mail.com)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:06:05 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Tab completion causes Firefox crash
In-Reply-To: <3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC163D543D3E@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
References: <3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC163D543D3E@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <493DA85D.804@mail.com>

I have the same crashing issue, and have had it for the last week or so, 
updating every morning, using the latest nightly build...

The only thing I would add is that it happens the majority of time I use 
't' or 'o', not EVERY time.  And it seems as though it might have gotten 
a little less often with today's build, but I'm not certain of that...

Just now, for example, I used 't' to open 3 new tabs (not selecting any 
of the suggestions, but letting it default to a Google search each time) 
in a window that had 9 open already, and the third time I used 't', it 
crashed Firefox.  I re-opened FF, hit 't' again, and it crashed FF 
again.  I re-opened FF again, used 'd' to delete a tab, then 't' to open 
a new one and it worked.  Hitting 't' again then crashed FF again....

Thomas Svensen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I download the latest builds from the nightly snapshots a couple of times a week,
> as I think it is exciting to see the new features and improvements. For the last
> week or so, there has been some problems, which I haven't seen anyone else
> mention. I hope this feedback can be useful to the developers:
>
> 1. With a rather large browsing history, tab completion after ":open" or ":tabopen"
>     crashes Firefox every time. When I empty the browsing history, the problem
>     goes away. Unfortunately, I can't tell how large my browsing history was, but
>     I hadn't emptied it for months, so "quite big", I guess.
>
> 2. In hint mode, the no. 1 hint is no longer green. I really appreciated that visual
>     distinction, as it made it easy to see when I had typed enough to press Enter.
>     Is there any reasoning behind making all hint backgrounds yellow?
>
> 3. Somewhat related to point 1, it seems that only the first 12 matches in my
>     browsing history is available via tab completion. In previous builds, the list
>     would start scrolling when I got to the bottom. Is there any chance of getting
>     this behavior back?
>
> This is on Windows Vista, Firefox 3.0.4, latest nightly build.
>
> And thank you for the great effort - it is very much appreciated!
>
> Regards
>
> Thomas S.
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>   


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Dec  8 15:47:51 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:47:51 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Tab completion causes Firefox crash
In-Reply-To: <3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC163D543D3E@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
References: <3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC163D543D3E@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <493DB227.7080307@tedpavlic.com>

> I download the latest builds from the nightly snapshots a couple of
> times a week, as I think it is exciting to see the new features and
> improvements. For the last week or so, there has been some problems,
> which I haven't seen anyone else mention. I hope this feedback can be
> useful to the developers:

I've also had tab completion crashes on my Windows machine for the last 
week (or so?). I hadn't had a tab completion problem on my (SLOW) Mac 
until today.

My officemate also uses Vimperator, and he too has been complaining 
about recent tab completion crashes.

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 16:03:47 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:03:47 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Tab completion causes Firefox crash
In-Reply-To: <3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC163D543D3E@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
References: <3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC163D543D3E@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <20081209000347.GZ21677@jg.home>

On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 10:46:59PM +0000, Thomas Svensen wrote:
>1. With a rather large browsing history, tab completion after ":open" or ":tabopen"
>    crashes Firefox every time. When I empty the browsing history, the problem
>    goes away. Unfortunately, I can't tell how large my browsing history was, but
>    I hadn't emptied it for months, so "quite big", I guess.

Shouldn't have anything to do with history. As far as I can 
tell, it has to do with lack of thread safety. I disabled the 
last use of threading in completion probably just after the last 
nightly was generated.

>2. In hint mode, the no. 1 hint is no longer green. I really appreciated that visual
>    distinction, as it made it easy to see when I had typed enough to press Enter.
>    Is there any reasoning behind making all hint backgrounds yellow?

This has been fixed for some days now.

>3. Somewhat related to point 1, it seems that only the first 12 matches in my
>    browsing history is available via tab completion. In previous builds, the list
>    would start scrolling when I got to the bottom. Is there any chance of getting
>    this behavior back?

We used to cache history and bookmarks and use them for 
completion. Now, we don't, we use the FF location bar 
('frecency' sorted) results instead. You can set cpt=sfbh, as of 
old, but it'll be slower now with +h, and it doesn't have the 
magic that the location bar results have. If at any point you 
want something more akin to the old behavior, I suggest you use 
:bmarks! or :hist!, and keep the current behavior for :o.

-- 
Kris Maglione

The wireless telegraph is not difficult to understand.  The ordinary
telegraph is like a very long cat.  You pull the tail in New York, and
it meows in Los Angeles.  The wireless is the same, only without the
cat.
	--Albert Einstein


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 16:04:59 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:04:59 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Tab completion causes Firefox crash
In-Reply-To: <493DB227.7080307@tedpavlic.com>
References: <3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC163D543D3E@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
	<493DB227.7080307@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081209000459.GA21677@jg.home>

On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 06:47:51PM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> My officemate also uses Vimperator, and he too has been complaining  
> about recent tab completion crashes.

I can't help but wonder that people complain about instability 
in development builds. My FF development builds crash all the 
time, but that's what I get for tracking hg, no?

-- 
Kris Maglione

Beauty is more important in computing than anywhere else in technology
because software is so complicated.  Beauty is the ultimate defence
against complexity.
	--David Gelernter


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Dec  8 17:49:46 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:49:46 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Tab completion causes Firefox crash
In-Reply-To: <20081209000459.GA21677@jg.home>
References: <3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC163D543D3E@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
	<493DB227.7080307@tedpavlic.com> <20081209000459.GA21677@jg.home>
Message-ID: <493DCEBA.2070409@tedpavlic.com>

> I can't help but wonder that people complain about instability 
> in development builds. My FF development builds crash all the 
> time, but that's what I get for tracking hg, no?

I don't think the people mentioned in this thread are expecting that a 
development Vimperator will be stable. I think the people in this thread 
are trying to report a bug in the development code that appears to be 
unnoticed by the developers (i.e., it persists for a week or more).

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 18:10:44 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:10:44 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Tab completion causes Firefox crash
In-Reply-To: <493DCEBA.2070409@tedpavlic.com>
References: <3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC163D543D3E@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
	<493DB227.7080307@tedpavlic.com> <20081209000459.GA21677@jg.home>
	<493DCEBA.2070409@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081209021044.GB21677@jg.home>

On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 08:49:46PM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>I don't think the people mentioned in this thread are expecting 
>that a development Vimperator will be stable. I think the 
>people in this thread are trying to report a bug in the 
>development code that appears to be unnoticed by the developers 
>(i.e., it persists for a week or more).

I quote:

>My officemate also uses Vimperator, and he too has been 
>complaining about recent tab completion crashes.

-- 
Kris Maglione

If you want to go somewhere, goto is the best way to get there.
	--Ken Thompson


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Dec  8 18:47:53 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:47:53 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Tab completion causes Firefox crash
In-Reply-To: <20081209021044.GB21677@jg.home>
References: <3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC163D543D3E@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
	<493DB227.7080307@tedpavlic.com> <20081209000459.GA21677@jg.home>
	<493DCEBA.2070409@tedpavlic.com> <20081209021044.GB21677@jg.home>
Message-ID: <493DDC59.8050903@tedpavlic.com>

>> I don't think the people mentioned in this thread are expecting 
>> that a development Vimperator will be stable. I think the 
>> people in this thread are trying to report a bug in the 
>> development code that appears to be unnoticed by the developers 
>> (i.e., it persists for a week or more).
> 
> I quote:
> 
>> My officemate also uses Vimperator, and he too has been 
>> complaining about recent tab completion crashes.

His complaints were meant as a report of a bug. Maybe I was too harsh in 
my presentation.

I was just trying to list another person (who I meant to mention was 
running Linux, which I realize is irrelevant, but at the time I had not 
seen the problem on any non-Mac system (until today)) who was having the 
problem frequently in the last week.

Thanks --
Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From mchalkley at mail.com  Mon Dec  8 19:36:56 2008
From: mchalkley at mail.com (mchalkley at mail.com)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:36:56 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Tab completion causes Firefox crash
In-Reply-To: <493DDC59.8050903@tedpavlic.com>
References: <3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC163D543D3E@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>	<493DB227.7080307@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081209000459.GA21677@jg.home>	<493DCEBA.2070409@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081209021044.GB21677@jg.home> <493DDC59.8050903@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <493DE7D8.6090004@mail.com>

Ted Pavlic wrote:
>
> His complaints were meant as a report of a bug. Maybe I was too harsh 
> in my presentation.
>
> I was just trying to list another person (who I meant to mention was 
> running Linux, which I realize is irrelevant, but at the time I had 
> not seen the problem on any non-Mac system (until today)) who was 
> having the problem frequently in the last week.
>
> Thanks --
> Ted
>
>

Just to affirm that:  My comments were most certainly not meant in the 
way of a complaint and I, in fact, didn't say anything until someone 
else mentioned it because I realize I'm using a development version, and 
didn't want to waste anyone's time with reports of issues that either 
are already known, or are perhaps specific to my machine.  Once someone 
else reported it, I provided as much detail as I could, in the hopes 
that something I'd noticed might be useful in assisting the powers that 
be in tracking down the issue...

This is probably a very good time to say I've noticed that the gang here 
consists of very dedicated and talented individuals, who also are very 
tolerant and good-natured (usually - ;) ) - a pretty rare combination....

So:  Thanks!

Mark

From dpb at driftaway.org  Mon Dec  8 23:27:57 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:27:57 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Tab completion causes Firefox crash
In-Reply-To: <20081209000347.GZ21677@jg.home>
References: <3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC163D543D3E@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
	<20081209000347.GZ21677@jg.home>
Message-ID: 

2008/12/9 Kris Maglione :
> On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 10:46:59PM +0000, Thomas Svensen wrote:
>> 2. In hint mode, the no. 1 hint is no longer green. I really appreciated
>> that visual
>>   distinction, as it made it easy to see when I had typed enough to press
>> Enter.
>>   Is there any reasoning behind making all hint backgrounds yellow?
>
> This has been fixed for some days now.

Sorry, my fault. Apparently I forgot to update the nightly building
script when we renamed the git repo, so the nightly build has actually
been the same for a few days... :)

--
Daniel

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 05:34:26 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:34:26 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator in Fx 3.1 part duex
Message-ID: <880dece00812090534n7a98b62aj18208549e9dc9aa3@mail.gmail.com>

The last thread became a mess so I am starting a new one.

Are there plans for an official Vimperator release that will support
Firefox 3.1? I will have a hard time deciding between Firefox 3.1 and
Vimperator if their isn't. Is this Vimperator 2 in the Nightlies
folder Fx 3.1 compatible? Is it planned for release?

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-??-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 06:33:15 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:33:15 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator in Fx 3.1 part duex
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On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 03:34:26PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>The last thread became a mess so I am starting a new one.

Heh. Sorry about that.

>Are there plans for an official Vimperator release that will support
>Firefox 3.1? I will have a hard time deciding between Firefox 3.1 and
>Vimperator if their isn't. Is this Vimperator 2 in the Nightlies
>folder Fx 3.1 compatible? Is it planned for release?

Version 1.2 is 3.1 compatible. Just
:set!  extensions.checkCompatibility=false
and it'll run. At any rate, all of the devs use 3.1, so, yes, 
it's compatible. The 2.0 release is forthcoming (should be out 
by year's end), but the nightlies are already marked with a 
maxVersion of 3.2a1pre, so they'll install just fine.

-- 
Kris Maglione

If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts.
	--Albert Einstein


From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 06:46:36 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:46:36 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator in Fx 3.1 part duex
In-Reply-To: <20081209143315.GC21677@jg.home>
References: <880dece00812090534n7a98b62aj18208549e9dc9aa3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081209143315.GC21677@jg.home>
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2008/12/9 Kris Maglione :
> On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 03:34:26PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>
>> The last thread became a mess so I am starting a new one.
>
> Heh. Sorry about that.
>

We have a confession!

>> Are there plans for an official Vimperator release that will support
>> Firefox 3.1? I will have a hard time deciding between Firefox 3.1 and
>> Vimperator if their isn't. Is this Vimperator 2 in the Nightlies
>> folder Fx 3.1 compatible? Is it planned for release?
>
> Version 1.2 is 3.1 compatible. Just
> :set!  extensions.checkCompatibility=false
> and it'll run.

Nope, I won't do that. When the devs see fit to make it work, I will
use it. I will not override their settings, what do I know about XUL?
I cannot make the decision that the software is fit, and the devs who
can make that decision have decided that it is not fit.

> At any rate, all of the devs use 3.1, so, yes, it's
> compatible.

Then I expect a timely release, thanks. I will stick with Firefox 3.0
until then.

> The 2.0 release is forthcoming (should be out by year's end),
> but the nightlies are already marked with a maxVersion of 3.2a1pre, so
> they'll install just fine.
>

Excellent, thanks.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

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?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 07:24:25 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:24:25 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator in Fx 3.1 part duex
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References: <880dece00812090534n7a98b62aj18208549e9dc9aa3@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 04:46:36PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>Nope, I won't do that. When the devs see fit to make it work, I will
>use it. I will not override their settings, what do I know about XUL?
>I cannot make the decision that the software is fit, and the devs who
>can make that decision have decided that it is not fit.

It's not about overriding their settings, it's about them not 
seeing fit to update older releases when now versions of Firefox 
come out. It's also about addons.mozilla.org forcing releases to 
be marked for versions <= the current release. But, do what you 
want. Vimperator 1.2 will work fine on 3.1. If you choose not to 
use it, though, that's fine with me.

That being said, overriding developers' settings is what free 
software is all about.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Perhaps when a man has special knowledge and special powers like my
own, it rather encourages him to seek a complex explanation when a
simpler one is at hand.
	--"Sherlock Holmes"


From dpb at driftaway.org  Tue Dec  9 05:41:14 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:41:14 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator in Fx 3.1 part duex
In-Reply-To: <880dece00812090534n7a98b62aj18208549e9dc9aa3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <880dece00812090534n7a98b62aj18208549e9dc9aa3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

2008/12/9 Dotan Cohen :
> The last thread became a mess so I am starting a new one.
>
> Are there plans for an official Vimperator release that will support
> Firefox 3.1? I will have a hard time deciding between Firefox 3.1 and
> Vimperator if their isn't. Is this Vimperator 2 in the Nightlies
> folder Fx 3.1 compatible? Is it planned for release?


Firefox 3.1 isn't even out yet, so we're in no hurry to get a new
Vimperator out because of that.

The Vimperator nightlies are currently compatible with up to Firefox
3.1b3pre, which is the latest 3.1 nightly of Firefox. And the version
number is upped quite fast to follow the Firefox development.

--
Daniel

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 07:41:40 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:41:40 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator in Fx 3.1 part duex
In-Reply-To: <20081209152425.GD21677@jg.home>
References: <880dece00812090534n7a98b62aj18208549e9dc9aa3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081209143315.GC21677@jg.home>
	<880dece00812090646g5eb00e54k1b201d183380ee7a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081209152425.GD21677@jg.home>
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2008/12/9 Kris Maglione :
> On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 04:46:36PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>
>> Nope, I won't do that. When the devs see fit to make it work, I will
>> use it. I will not override their settings, what do I know about XUL?
>> I cannot make the decision that the software is fit, and the devs who
>> can make that decision have decided that it is not fit.
>
> It's not about overriding their settings, it's about them not seeing fit to
> update older releases when now versions of Firefox come out. It's also about
> addons.mozilla.org forcing releases to be marked for versions <= the current
> release. But, do what you want. Vimperator 1.2 will work fine on 3.1. If you
> choose not to use it, though, that's fine with me.
>

I did not mean to be argumentative, I am sorry that the conversation
turned that way. I apologize.

> That being said, overriding developers' settings is what free software is
> all about.
>

By those who know what they are doing. I don't. I can change a
setting, but I cannot judge the consequences of that change.
Specifically, I am overriding a "do not do this" setting in this case,
which I am reluctant to do.

I speed, because I understand the consequences. I drink whiskey,
because I understand the consequences. I do not force install
software, because I do not understand the consequences.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

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?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 08:05:32 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:05:32 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator in Fx 3.1 part duex
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References: <880dece00812090534n7a98b62aj18208549e9dc9aa3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081209143315.GC21677@jg.home>
	<880dece00812090646g5eb00e54k1b201d183380ee7a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081209152425.GD21677@jg.home>
	<880dece00812090741i5561913cp3e463368814a99fd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081209160532.GE21677@jg.home>

On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 05:41:40PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>I did not mean to be argumentative, I am sorry that the conversation
>turned that way. I apologize.

Don't worry, it's hard not to get into an argument with me. It's 
nothing personal.

>I speed, because I understand the consequences. I drink whiskey,
>because I understand the consequences. I do not force install
>software, because I do not understand the consequences.

Do you, really? I think you probably understand the consequences 
of using outdated software better than those other consequences. 
There are less variables, less complexities. What do you know 
about the consequences of speeding? Do you know the statistics 
of accidents caused by speeding? The liklihood of killing a 
pregnant mother? Of becoming an invalid? And, of whiskey? 
Perhaps you expect you may embarrass yourself, or wake with a 
nasty hangover? But are you a neuro-biologist? Do you understand 
the function of your liver? I don't think you have any real 
concept of the long or even medium term consequences of drinking 
whiskey.

Firefox extensions, though, are simple, at heart. They affect a 
small corner of your life. At worst, perhaps they'll crash your 
browser or eat your bookmarks (although that's rather unlikely). 
If you keep backups, then you understand the worst concequences 
rather readily: it's time to create a new profile. 5-10 minutes 
of your time lost.

-- 
Kris Maglione

The object-oriented model makes it easy to build up programs by
accretion.  What this often means, in practice, is that it provides a
structured way to write spaghetti code.
	--Paul Graham


From dotancohen at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 10:31:23 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:31:23 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator in Fx 3.1 part duex
In-Reply-To: <20081209160532.GE21677@jg.home>
References: <880dece00812090534n7a98b62aj18208549e9dc9aa3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081209143315.GC21677@jg.home>
	<880dece00812090646g5eb00e54k1b201d183380ee7a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081209152425.GD21677@jg.home>
	<880dece00812090741i5561913cp3e463368814a99fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081209160532.GE21677@jg.home>
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2008/12/9 Kris Maglione :
> Don't worry, it's hard not to get into an argument with me. It's nothing
> personal.
>

Great. Want to take this outside?!? :)

>> I speed, because I understand the consequences. I drink whiskey,
>> because I understand the consequences. I do not force install
>> software, because I do not understand the consequences.
>
> Do you, really? I think you probably understand the consequences of using
> outdated software better than those other consequences. There are less
> variables, less complexities. What do you know about the consequences of
> speeding? Do you know the statistics of accidents caused by speeding? The
> liklihood of killing a pregnant mother? Of becoming an invalid?

You fail to note the difference between excessive speed (dangerous)
and speeding (illegal). I do not drive at an excessive speed. You may
ask, who am I to judge? Speed limits are generally made for the worse
reasonable driver, in the worst reasonable vehicle, driving under the
worst reasonable conditions. While my driving skills may not be
perfect, I am not in the worst reasonable vehicle and take into
account driving conditions such as weather, traffic, sun position,
etc.

> And, of
> whiskey? Perhaps you expect you may embarrass yourself, or wake with a nasty
> hangover? But are you a neuro-biologist? Do you understand the function of
> your liver? I don't think you have any real concept of the long or even
> medium term consequences of drinking whiskey.
>

Again, I do not drink to excess. I cannot remember the last time I was
drunk, nor even tipsy. And I do not drive after having a glass,
because I know that I _feel_ fine, but that is not enough.

I simply put back a glass every now and then to make me violent so
that I could beat up the noisy neighbor :)

> Firefox extensions, though, are simple, at heart. They affect a small corner
> of your life. At worst, perhaps they'll crash your browser or eat your
> bookmarks (although that's rather unlikely). If you keep backups, then you
> understand the worst concequences rather readily: it's time to create a new
> profile. 5-10 minutes of your time lost.
>

Actually, web browsing is not the small part of my life that I wish it
were. Otherwise, I would not bother with the learning curve of modal
software such as Vimperator.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
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?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From mail407 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 13:09:39 2008
From: mail407 at gmail.com (Andrei)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:09:39 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] charhints for desktop navigation
In-Reply-To: <20081104195223.GA12132@laptop>
References: <8f6da5150811012122u6236acb0sb41341aaeff701eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081103192234.GA8782@laptop>
	<8f6da5150811040923j7667111bi18871506a6b768c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081104195223.GA12132@laptop>
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I added the   --current  option,  as we discussed.  Now
wmjump --current   (or wmjump -c)
lists only the windows on the current desktop.  It appears that
indeed, this is a useful option.
The modified version 0.7:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/wmjump/

Note that there is a new setup option in wmjump-rc:
background_window_currentonly_style
This determines the color of the window border when run with the
--current option.

I also added a snowflake to mark the currently active window.

Andrei.

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 15:05:13 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:05:13 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] charhints for desktop navigation
In-Reply-To: <8f6da5150812091309t119f6014jd321709c6ac78bb4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8f6da5150811012122u6236acb0sb41341aaeff701eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081103192234.GA8782@laptop>
	<8f6da5150811040923j7667111bi18871506a6b768c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081104195223.GA12132@laptop>
	<8f6da5150812091309t119f6014jd321709c6ac78bb4@mail.gmail.com>
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great thing!

but after I tried out the latest version, it ends up with the following error.

Cannot find desktop ID of the window.
X Error of failed request:  BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
  Major opcode of failed request:  20 (X_GetProperty)
  Resource id in failed request:  0x156021c
  Serial number of failed request:  16
  Current serial number in output stream:  16

switching to window 0
=======================================================

any ideas to fix this?

using awesome 2.4.3 as wm


On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 22:09, Andrei  wrote:
> I added the   --current  option,  as we discussed.  Now
> wmjump --current   (or wmjump -c)
> lists only the windows on the current desktop.  It appears that
> indeed, this is a useful option.
> The modified version 0.7:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/wmjump/
>
> Note that there is a new setup option in wmjump-rc:
> background_window_currentonly_style
> This determines the color of the window border when run with the
> --current option.
>
> I also added a snowflake to mark the currently active window.
>
> Andrei.
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 15:08:05 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:08:05 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] charhints for desktop navigation
In-Reply-To: 
References: <8f6da5150811012122u6236acb0sb41341aaeff701eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081103192234.GA8782@laptop>
	<8f6da5150811040923j7667111bi18871506a6b768c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081104195223.GA12132@laptop>
	<8f6da5150812091309t119f6014jd321709c6ac78bb4@mail.gmail.com>
	
Message-ID: 

forget to mention, I am using two screen setup. if this impact the
behavior of wmjump in some respect?

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 00:05, Ye Xu  wrote:
> great thing!
>
> but after I tried out the latest version, it ends up with the following error.
>
> Cannot find desktop ID of the window.
> X Error of failed request:  BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
>  Major opcode of failed request:  20 (X_GetProperty)
>  Resource id in failed request:  0x156021c
>  Serial number of failed request:  16
>  Current serial number in output stream:  16
>
> switching to window 0
> =======================================================
>
> any ideas to fix this?
>
> using awesome 2.4.3 as wm
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 22:09, Andrei  wrote:
>> I added the   --current  option,  as we discussed.  Now
>> wmjump --current   (or wmjump -c)
>> lists only the windows on the current desktop.  It appears that
>> indeed, this is a useful option.
>> The modified version 0.7:
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/wmjump/
>>
>> Note that there is a new setup option in wmjump-rc:
>> background_window_currentonly_style
>> This determines the color of the window border when run with the
>> --current option.
>>
>> I also added a snowflake to mark the currently active window.
>>
>> Andrei.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>

From mail407 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 16:26:19 2008
From: mail407 at gmail.com (Andrei)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:26:19 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] charhints for desktop navigation
In-Reply-To: 
References: <8f6da5150811012122u6236acb0sb41341aaeff701eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081103192234.GA8782@laptop>
	<8f6da5150811040923j7667111bi18871506a6b768c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081104195223.GA12132@laptop>
	<8f6da5150812091309t119f6014jd321709c6ac78bb4@mail.gmail.com>
	
	
Message-ID: <8f6da5150812091626g20915eb9t4acd6a44bb0d0706@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Ye Xu,
thanks for the bug report!

Did the previous version (0.6 or 0.5) work?

Could this be awesome-related?
I want to ask you, if you can try the program called  wmctrl:

http://www.sweb.cz/tripie/utils/wmctrl/

This is a command line utility. Will it work on your system?
Andrei.

P.S: Perhaps would be better to exchange private messages instead,
because this is a Vimperator forum...


On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Ye Xu  wrote:
> forget to mention, I am using two screen setup. if this impact the
> behavior of wmjump in some respect?
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 00:05, Ye Xu  wrote:
>> great thing!
>>
>> but after I tried out the latest version, it ends up with the following error.
>>
>> Cannot find desktop ID of the window.
>> X Error of failed request:  BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
>>  Major opcode of failed request:  20 (X_GetProperty)
>>  Resource id in failed request:  0x156021c
>>  Serial number of failed request:  16
>>  Current serial number in output stream:  16
>>
>> switching to window 0
>> =======================================================
>>
>> any ideas to fix this?
>>
>> using awesome 2.4.3 as wm
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 22:09, Andrei  wrote:
>>> I added the   --current  option,  as we discussed.  Now
>>> wmjump --current   (or wmjump -c)
>>> lists only the windows on the current desktop.  It appears that
>>> indeed, this is a useful option.
>>> The modified version 0.7:
>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/wmjump/
>>>
>>> Note that there is a new setup option in wmjump-rc:
>>> background_window_currentonly_style
>>> This determines the color of the window border when run with the
>>> --current option.
>>>
>>> I also added a snowflake to mark the currently active window.
>>>
>>> Andrei.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Vimperator mailing list
>>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From mchalkley at mail.com  Tue Dec  9 16:30:36 2008
From: mchalkley at mail.com (mchalkley at mail.com)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:30:36 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Tab completion causes Firefox crash
In-Reply-To: <493DE7D8.6090004@mail.com>
References: <3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC163D543D3E@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>	<493DB227.7080307@tedpavlic.com>	<20081209000459.GA21677@jg.home>	<493DCEBA.2070409@tedpavlic.com>	<20081209021044.GB21677@jg.home>
	<493DDC59.8050903@tedpavlic.com> <493DE7D8.6090004@mail.com>
Message-ID: <493F0DAC.30009@mail.com>

FWIW, I installed the latest nightly build this morning, and have used 
Vimperator heavily all day today, without a single crash...

Mark

From zhang.zhengquan at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 18:13:24 2008
From: zhang.zhengquan at gmail.com (zhang zhengquan)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:13:24 -0600
Subject: [Vimperator] :ha command no popup
In-Reply-To: <493D86D3.90004@vimperator.org>
References: <128a87f00812081126n77c6c185h7b4915d15ea74a3b@mail.gmail.com>
	<493D86D3.90004@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <128a87f00812091813r74aa680bsddb3fd9499123251@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks,
but in this way I can't specify the file name for the pdf output?

2008/12/8 Martin Stubenschrott :
> On 2008-12-08 20:26, zhang zhengquan wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I am a longtime vim and vimperator user,
>> recently I use :ha command to print lots of webpages to pdf files.
>> I would like to know if there are ways to pass arguments like save
>> path and file name to :ha command and avoid the popup printing window.
>
>
> :ha! should work
> _______________________________________________
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> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 18:59:19 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:59:19 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] :ha command no popup
In-Reply-To: <128a87f00812091813r74aa680bsddb3fd9499123251@mail.gmail.com>
References: <128a87f00812081126n77c6c185h7b4915d15ea74a3b@mail.gmail.com>
	<493D86D3.90004@vimperator.org>
	<128a87f00812091813r74aa680bsddb3fd9499123251@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0812091859n6c2a9253weaeed4ae8cea1385@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/10/08, zhang zhengquan  wrote:
> Thanks,
>  but in this way I can't specify the file name for the pdf output?

No. If you add a feature request ticket though, someone might implement it.

Doug

From Thomas.Svensen at microsoft.com  Tue Dec  9 23:42:29 2008
From: Thomas.Svensen at microsoft.com (Thomas Svensen)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:42:29 +0000
Subject: [Vimperator] Tab completion causes Firefox crash
In-Reply-To: <493F0DAC.30009@mail.com>
References: <3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC163D543D3E@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
	<493DB227.7080307@tedpavlic.com>	<20081209000459.GA21677@jg.home>
	<493DCEBA.2070409@tedpavlic.com>	<20081209021044.GB21677@jg.home>
	<493DDC59.8050903@tedpavlic.com>
	<493DE7D8.6090004@mail.com>,<493F0DAC.30009@mail.com>
Message-ID: <3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC163D543D53@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Same here, the build yesterday was a huge improvement! Thank you!

Thomas Svensen
Senior Solutions Architect
FAST, A Microsoft? Subsidiary
P.O. Box 1677 VIKA, NO-0120 OSLO, Norway
Mobile +47 48011263
www.fastsearch.com
________________________________________
From: vimperator-bounces at mozdev.org [vimperator-bounces at mozdev.org] On Behalf Of mchalkley at mail.com [mchalkley at mail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 01:30
To: vimperator at mozdev.org
Subject: Re: [Vimperator] Tab completion causes Firefox crash

FWIW, I installed the latest nightly build this morning, and have used
Vimperator heavily all day today, without a single crash...

Mark
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From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 03:41:54 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:41:54 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] charhints for desktop navigation
In-Reply-To: <8f6da5150812091626g20915eb9t4acd6a44bb0d0706@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8f6da5150811012122u6236acb0sb41341aaeff701eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081103192234.GA8782@laptop>
	<8f6da5150811040923j7667111bi18871506a6b768c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081104195223.GA12132@laptop>
	<8f6da5150812091309t119f6014jd321709c6ac78bb4@mail.gmail.com>
	
	
	<8f6da5150812091626g20915eb9t4acd6a44bb0d0706@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

I had just tried out wmctrl 1.07, compile & make ok, append with some
simple parameters it seems wmctrl won't work, too.

$ wmctrl -d
Cannot get number of desktops properties. (_NET_NUMBER_OF_DESKTOPS or
_WIN_WORKSPACE_COUNT)

$ wmctrl -m
Cannot get window manager info properties.
(_NET_SUPPORTING_WM_CHECK or _WIN_SUPPORTING_WM_CHECK)

$ wmctrl -l
X Error of failed request:  BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
  Major opcode of failed request:  20 (X_GetProperty)
  Resource id in failed request:  0x14c3332
  Serial number of failed request:  10
  Current serial number in output stream:  10

It is quite possible that awesome wm is not fully EWMH/NetWM
compatible, because shortly after some google search reveals there are
some other people had ever requested awesome to support wmctrl like
app, but no body answer it.


On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 01:26, Andrei  wrote:
> Dear Ye Xu,
> thanks for the bug report!
>
> Did the previous version (0.6 or 0.5) work?
>
> Could this be awesome-related?
> I want to ask you, if you can try the program called  wmctrl:
>
> http://www.sweb.cz/tripie/utils/wmctrl/
>
> This is a command line utility. Will it work on your system?
> Andrei.
>
> P.S: Perhaps would be better to exchange private messages instead,
> because this is a Vimperator forum...
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Ye Xu  wrote:
>> forget to mention, I am using two screen setup. if this impact the
>> behavior of wmjump in some respect?
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 00:05, Ye Xu  wrote:
>>> great thing!
>>>
>>> but after I tried out the latest version, it ends up with the following error.
>>>
>>> Cannot find desktop ID of the window.
>>> X Error of failed request:  BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)
>>>  Major opcode of failed request:  20 (X_GetProperty)
>>>  Resource id in failed request:  0x156021c
>>>  Serial number of failed request:  16
>>>  Current serial number in output stream:  16
>>>
>>> switching to window 0
>>> =======================================================
>>>
>>> any ideas to fix this?
>>>
>>> using awesome 2.4.3 as wm
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 22:09, Andrei  wrote:
>>>> I added the   --current  option,  as we discussed.  Now
>>>> wmjump --current   (or wmjump -c)
>>>> lists only the windows on the current desktop.  It appears that
>>>> indeed, this is a useful option.
>>>> The modified version 0.7:
>>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/wmjump/
>>>>
>>>> Note that there is a new setup option in wmjump-rc:
>>>> background_window_currentonly_style
>>>> This determines the color of the window border when run with the
>>>> --current option.
>>>>
>>>> I also added a snowflake to mark the currently active window.
>>>>
>>>> Andrei.
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
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>

From iiijjjiii at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 07:34:17 2008
From: iiijjjiii at gmail.com (Jim Karsten)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:34:17 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Unable to access file select input
Message-ID: <20081210153417.GA4183@dtjimk>

Is there a way to open the file select dialog window, the equivalent of
clicking the Browse button on an input type=file element, with the
keyboard. When I press 'f' a hint displays in the text input area of the
file select but when I type the number of the hint nothing happens.

I am able to access the Browse button by tabbing through the elements of
the form but that can be tedious. Any suggestions? Is this a limitation
of Firefox or am I overlooking something?

-- 
Regards
Jim Karsten

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Dec 11 12:39:13 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:39:13 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] $ expands to $1 with :!
Message-ID: <49417A71.9040407@tedpavlic.com>

I just noticed that (notice the !):

	:!echo '$$$$$ stuff $$$$$$ things'

executes and returns

	$1$1$1$1$1 stuff $1$1$1$1$1$1 things

As a consequence, a command like

	:!echo $PATH

returns

	PATH

Is this the desired behavior?

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From zapper3000 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 12:48:18 2008
From: zapper3000 at gmail.com (Alex Burka)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:48:18 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] $ expands to $1 with :!
In-Reply-To: <49417A71.9040407@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49417A71.9040407@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <64293569-0198-43C9-92D7-B3FE96E92115@gmail.com>

I can't reproduce this. On OS X 10.5.5, Firefox 3.0.4, Vimperator 1.2

:!echo '$$$$$ stuff $$$$'
returns
$$$$$ stuff $$$$

and
:!echo $PATH
returns
/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin

which I imagine is the intended behavior.

Alex

On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Ted Pavlic wrote:

> I just noticed that (notice the !):
>
> 	:!echo '$$$$$ stuff $$$$$$ things'
>
> executes and returns
>
> 	$1$1$1$1$1 stuff $1$1$1$1$1$1 things
>
> As a consequence, a command like
>
> 	:!echo $PATH
>
> returns
>
> 	PATH
>
> Is this the desired behavior?
>
> -- 
> Ted Pavlic 
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Dec 11 12:59:12 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:59:12 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] $ expands to $1 with :!
In-Reply-To: <64293569-0198-43C9-92D7-B3FE96E92115@gmail.com>
References: <49417A71.9040407@tedpavlic.com>
	<64293569-0198-43C9-92D7-B3FE96E92115@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49417F20.8050606@tedpavlic.com>

I should have been more specific. I'm using Vimp2.0pre at the present 
git HEAD.

I'm looking at the line that does it. Line 718 of common/content/io.js

       function escape(str) '"' + str.replace(/[\\"$]/g, "\\$1") + '"';

That function replaces \, ", or $ with "$1".

Does anyone know why it's there?


> I can't reproduce this. On OS X 10.5.5, Firefox 3.0.4, Vimperator 1.2
>
> :!echo '$$$$$ stuff $$$$'
> returns
> $$$$$ stuff $$$$
>
> and
> :!echo $PATH
> returns
> /usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin
>
> which I imagine is the intended behavior.

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Dec 11 13:01:47 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:01:47 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] $ expands to $1 with :!
In-Reply-To: <49417F20.8050606@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49417A71.9040407@tedpavlic.com>
	<64293569-0198-43C9-92D7-B3FE96E92115@gmail.com>
	<49417F20.8050606@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49417FBB.5040502@tedpavlic.com>

>         function escape(str) '"' + str.replace(/[\\"$]/g, "\\$1") + '"';

It was changed as of...

====
commit 6e454fc1a9d906d23ff292606534548043303c05
Author: Kris Maglione 
Date:   Sat Dec 6 18:25:14 2008 -0500

     Fix :!echo foo; echo bar; along with broken quoting, etc.
====

It used to be

	function escapeQuotes(str) str.replace('"', '\\"', "g");

which escape quotes. I'm not sure what the current version does.

PERHAPS it's supposed to be something like...


	function escape(str) '"' + str.replace(/([\\"$])/g, "\\\1") + '"';


??

	--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Dec 11 13:07:31 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:07:31 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] $ expands to $1 with :!
In-Reply-To: <49417FBB.5040502@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49417A71.9040407@tedpavlic.com>
	<64293569-0198-43C9-92D7-B3FE96E92115@gmail.com>
	<49417F20.8050606@tedpavlic.com> <49417FBB.5040502@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49418113.5000804@tedpavlic.com>

It's fixed now.

> 	function escape(str) '"' + str.replace(/([\\"$])/g, "\\$1") + '"';

Sorry for the post. I should have just waited, figured it out, and 
posted the patch...
--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Dec 11 12:57:41 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:57:41 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] $ expands to $1 with :!
In-Reply-To: <64293569-0198-43C9-92D7-B3FE96E92115@gmail.com>
References: <49417A71.9040407@tedpavlic.com>
	<64293569-0198-43C9-92D7-B3FE96E92115@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49417EC5.20905@vimperator.org>

On 2008-12-11 21:48, Alex Burka wrote:

> I can't reproduce this. On OS X 10.5.5, Firefox 3.0.4, Vimperator 1.2


It's a problem of the git version, 1.2 worked fine.

I can confirm the problem.

--
Martin

From dpb at driftaway.org  Fri Dec 12 05:00:23 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:00:23 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] LIBERATOR_HOME
Message-ID: <49426067.90002@driftaway.org>

Hi Ted,

About your last commit, adding the LIBERATOR_HOME. Martin seems to be a 
bit against having a LIBERATOR_HOME, so I don't know if we'll keep the 
change or not. What do other people think about it?

I changed the order of it anyhow, so that project specific _HOME's are 
always used if found, even with LIBERATOR_HOME being there.

One other thing is that for stuff like that, you need to adjust the help 
documentation too (:help initialization) for things like this.

--
Daniel

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Dec 12 05:01:04 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:01:04 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] LIBERATOR_HOME
Message-ID: 

Hi all,

Ted recently introduced $LIBERATOR_HOME env support to be used, when
no $VIMPERATOR_HOME is specified.

What do the people here think? Is it really necessary, or just making
vimperator/liberator more complex without any real need?

Ted: If we keep it, you must also adjust the help text in ":help
initialization" and add a NEWS entry.

best regards,

Martin

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 05:39:03 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:39:03 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] LIBERATOR_HOME
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <644fc65e0812120539j923945cmc5437c91d8afb4f5@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/13/08, Martin Stubenschrott  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>  Ted recently introduced $LIBERATOR_HOME env support to be used, when
>  no $VIMPERATOR_HOME is specified.
>
>  What do the people here think? Is it really necessary, or just making
>  vimperator/liberator more complex without any real need?

Since this can easily be achieved by a user without us supporting it
explicitly I vote nay.

More generally, I don't really think 'liberator' needs to be exposed
to the user period.

Regards,
Doug

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Dec 12 06:06:43 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:06:43 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] LIBERATOR_HOME
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0812120539j923945cmc5437c91d8afb4f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: 
	<644fc65e0812120539j923945cmc5437c91d8afb4f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

> More generally, I don't really think 'liberator' needs to be exposed
> to the user period.

That were exactly my thoughts. Only developers should have to  know
about "liberator".

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec 12 06:32:31 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:32:31 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] LIBERATOR_HOME
In-Reply-To: <49426067.90002@driftaway.org>
References: <49426067.90002@driftaway.org>
Message-ID: <494275FF.20904@tedpavlic.com>

> About your last commit, adding the LIBERATOR_HOME. Martin seems to be a
> bit against having a LIBERATOR_HOME, so I don't know if we'll keep the
> change or not. What do other people think about it?

IMO, I hate having to define *_HOME as Z:\ on my Windows machine for 
every single liberator-related project I have.

In my case, Z:\ is mapped from a drive that is shared among my other 
machines. I use the same .*RC files for Vim/Vimperator/etc., and the 
same plugins/etc. I can't imagine that I'm that "odd" of a user for 
this, and so it would be useful to me to have a single environment 
variable that forces everything to look away from my Windows machine. 
After all, my Windows machine should be nothing more than a terminal to 
more useful places.

> I changed the order of it anyhow, so that project specific _HOME's are
> always used if found, even with LIBERATOR_HOME being there.

I actually made that change at the same time as you, but you committed 
before me. I meant for VIMP/MUTT to trump LIB.

> One other thing is that for stuff like that, you need to adjust the help
> documentation too (:help initialization) for things like this.

Doh! Ok. Good point. I'll wait for the discussion to reach a terminal 
thread.

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec 12 06:35:27 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:35:27 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] LIBERATOR_HOME
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0812120539j923945cmc5437c91d8afb4f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: 
	<644fc65e0812120539j923945cmc5437c91d8afb4f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <494276AF.3060305@tedpavlic.com>

> Since this can easily be achieved by a user without us supporting it
> explicitly I vote nay.

Liberator (or "vimperator labs") claims to have the mission of making 
software more efficient...

Is it more efficient if I have to set an environment variable on all of 
my Windows machines (which isn't an efficient task in itself!) for...

VIMPERATOR_HOME
MUTTATOR_HOME
SONGBIRD_HOME
SUNBIRD_HOME
DEADBAT_HOME
SOGGYBOTTOM_HOME
...

?

> More generally, I don't really think 'liberator' needs to be exposed
> to the user period.

Okay.. Different name?

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Fri Dec 12 08:03:24 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:03:24 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] LIBERATOR_HOME
In-Reply-To: <494276AF.3060305@tedpavlic.com>
References: 
	<644fc65e0812120539j923945cmc5437c91d8afb4f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<494276AF.3060305@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: 

> Liberator (or "vimperator labs") claims to have the mission of making
> software more efficient...

More efficient doesn't mean more complex. Of course a spaghetti-code
written in assembler
will be "more efficient" than having some nice abstractions and
classes. Things you do all the
time really should be efficient, but how often do you set up these env
vars? And if so, then a
simple yy5p in vim with changing some parts is not THAT difficult.

> Is it more efficient if I have to set an environment variable on all of my
> Windows machines (which isn't an efficient task in itself!) for...
>
> VIMPERATOR_HOME
> MUTTATOR_HOME
> SONGBIRD_HOME
> SUNBIRD_HOME
> DEADBAT_HOME
> SOGGYBOTTOM_HOME
> ...

Well, one can't use the word "Windows" and efficient in the same
sentence, that's just weird ;)
In sane OSs you have a ~/.profile, bashrc, or something which you can copy.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec 12 08:26:54 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:26:54 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] LIBERATOR_HOME
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<644fc65e0812120539j923945cmc5437c91d8afb4f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<494276AF.3060305@tedpavlic.com>
	
Message-ID: <494290CE.2010104@tedpavlic.com>

>> VIMPERATOR_HOME
>> MUTTATOR_HOME
>> SONGBIRD_HOME
>> SUNBIRD_HOME
>> DEADBAT_HOME
>> SOGGYBOTTOM_HOME
>> ...
> In sane OSs you have a ~/.profile, bashrc, or something which you can copy.

OK. Removing LIBERATOR_HOME support. Commit to be pushed shortly.

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec 12 08:37:20 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:37:20 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] LIBERATOR_HOME
In-Reply-To: <494290CE.2010104@tedpavlic.com>
References: 
	<644fc65e0812120539j923945cmc5437c91d8afb4f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<494276AF.3060305@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<494290CE.2010104@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49429340.2090208@tedpavlic.com>

>> In sane OSs you have a ~/.profile, bashrc, or something which you can copy.

NOTE: It was my impression that *_HOME's would be used most frequently 
on Windows machines (which have insane home directories).

Oh well... It's not like it wouldn't be hard to add in the future if 
enough people bitched about it.

> OK. Removing LIBERATOR_HOME support. Commit to be pushed shortly.

Kris got to this before I could.

( note: I didn't add LIBERATOR_HOME without discussion; there was 
discussion on the feature request entry on Trac... and I guess I either 
misread Kris' response (or perhaps there was a typo in the response when 
a letter was picked out of an a/b/c list) )

Thanks --
Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 11:28:13 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:28:13 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] LIBERATOR_HOME
In-Reply-To: <49429340.2090208@tedpavlic.com>
References: 
	<644fc65e0812120539j923945cmc5437c91d8afb4f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<494276AF.3060305@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<494290CE.2010104@tedpavlic.com> <49429340.2090208@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081212192813.GA9465@jg.home>

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:37:20AM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> NOTE: It was my impression that *_HOME's would be used most frequently  
> on Windows machines (which have insane home directories).
>
> Oh well... It's not like it wouldn't be hard to add in the future if  
> enough people bitched about it.

It's not necessary. Just set $HOME. It seems to me that this is 
really only useful for portable apps.

Frankly, I'd prefer that HOME expanded to ~, instead of 
VIMPERATOR_HOME, because that's what all apps that it spawns 
will (hopefully) use. I'd really prefer that we had something 
like VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME that defaults to $HOME/.vimperator, and 
can be changed to fit whatever system you happen to be on. So, 
for a portable app, something like H:/Settings/vimperator. 
dot-files are just plain silly for user-editable config dirs.

> ( note: I didn't add LIBERATOR_HOME without discussion; there was  
> discussion on the feature request entry on Trac... and I guess I either  
> misread Kris' response (or perhaps there was a typo in the response when  
> a letter was picked out of an a/b/c list) )

I'm sorry, you're right, I meant 'a', which I think should have 
been obvious from the fact that that's what I committed, and 
that I closed the issue, bug... Also, I'd like to note that I'm 
not an authority on these kinds of changes. The change I made 
didn't affect the behavior of Vimperator at all, and only 
changed the undocumented and ideosynchratic behavior of 
muttator, so it seemed alright. Adding LIBERATOR_HOME should 
have had the consent of several of us, or at least of Martin.

Cheers,
-- 
Kris Maglione

Every program has (at least) two purposes: the one for which it was
written, and another for which it wasn't.
	--Alan J. Perlis


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec 12 11:42:06 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:42:06 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] LIBERATOR_HOME
In-Reply-To: <20081212192813.GA9465@jg.home>
References: 
	<644fc65e0812120539j923945cmc5437c91d8afb4f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<494276AF.3060305@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<494290CE.2010104@tedpavlic.com> <49429340.2090208@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081212192813.GA9465@jg.home>
Message-ID: <4942BE8E.2030304@tedpavlic.com>

> Frankly, I'd prefer that HOME expanded to ~, instead of
> VIMPERATOR_HOME, because that's what all apps that it spawns

I agree... I would think that:

*) VIMP looks for .vimperator/* and .vimperatorrc in VIMP_HOME

*) ~ (and $HOME) expands to HOME

*) $VIMPERATOR_HOME (and possibly "~VIMP"?) expands to VIMPERATOR_HOME

Or something like that...

> will (hopefully) use. I'd really prefer that we had something
> like VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME that defaults to $HOME/.vimperator, and
> can be changed to fit whatever system you happen to be on. So,
> for a portable app, something like H:/Settings/vimperator.
> dot-files are just plain silly for user-editable config dirs.

I'm very happy to the default staying with the dot file. I don't care 
about hiding those folders (I alias '-aF' into all of my ls calls), but 
I like that they get grouped together. However, I agree that things 
should be made friendly to portable cases.

There may be an easy way to do this already, but I haven't looked for 
it. I'd like a VERY EASY way for me to conditionally execute different 
parts of .vimprc based on system. Something like "has(...)" in .vimrc. 
That would make it easier for me to use one RC file for everything.

--T

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec 12 13:16:00 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:16:00 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :open ${HOME} completion
Message-ID: <4942D490.9090804@tedpavlic.com>

I notice that when I do...

	:open $HOME

I get a completion list that shows me my home directory, but it leaves 
$HOME there rather than expanding it. Is that the desired/designed 
behavior? Or should $HOME get replaced by whatever it expands to?

(note: MacOS users may be surprised that their environment variables in 
FF aren't what they are in a login shell, and so it might be nice to 
actually see what's going on)

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 13:33:43 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:33:43 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :open ${HOME} completion
In-Reply-To: <4942D490.9090804@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4942D490.9090804@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081212213343.GA4851@jg.home>

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 04:16:00PM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> (note: MacOS users may be surprised that their environment variables in  
> FF aren't what they are in a login shell, and so it might be nice to  
> actually see what's going on)

Hm. I'm almost surprised it doesn't get expanded. I vote that it 
stays as is.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Long hair minimizes the need for barbers; socks can be done without;
one leather jacket solves the coat problem for many years; suspenders
are superfluous.
	--Albert Einstein


From dougkearns at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 14:24:36 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:24:36 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] LIBERATOR_HOME
In-Reply-To: <20081212192813.GA9465@jg.home>
References: 
	<644fc65e0812120539j923945cmc5437c91d8afb4f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<494276AF.3060305@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<494290CE.2010104@tedpavlic.com> <49429340.2090208@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081212192813.GA9465@jg.home>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0812121424w589b889tce56e5bc4dce6cd8@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/13/08, Kris Maglione  wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:37:20AM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:



>  Frankly, I'd prefer that HOME expanded to ~, instead of VIMPERATOR_HOME,
> because that's what all apps that it spawns will (hopefully) use. I'd really
> prefer that we had something like VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME that defaults to
> $HOME/.vimperator, and can be changed to fit whatever system you happen to
> be on. So, for a portable app, something like H:/Settings/vimperator.
> dot-files are just plain silly for user-editable config dirs.

I agree.



Regards,
Doug

From zhang.zhengquan at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 21:00:04 2008
From: zhang.zhengquan at gmail.com (zhang zhengquan)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:00:04 -0600
Subject: [Vimperator] alt-number not functioning in switching tab under
	windows?
Message-ID: <128a87f00812122100p53cbb7edje97599be3d103742@mail.gmail.com>

Dear vimperator users:
I found ctrl-number works in switching tab, but alt-number does not,

Is there a way to enable alt-number to switch tab? and is there a way
to put a number on each tab?

Thanks in advance.

zhengquan

From hotseason007 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 21:04:04 2008
From: hotseason007 at gmail.com (Qzi)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:04:04 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] alt-number not functioning in switching tab under
	windows?
In-Reply-To: <128a87f00812122100p53cbb7edje97599be3d103742@mail.gmail.com>
References: <128a87f00812122100p53cbb7edje97599be3d103742@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

NumExt - Numbered Tabs 0.3   can help you !*
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/9528*

On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 1:00 PM, zhang zhengquan
wrote:

> Dear vimperator users:
> I found ctrl-number works in switching tab, but alt-number does not,
>
> Is there a way to enable alt-number to switch tab? and is there a way
> to put a number on each tab?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> zhengquan
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>



-- 
????   ????
http://qzier.blogspot.com/
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From dpb at driftaway.org  Sat Dec 13 08:55:18 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:55:18 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] LIBERATOR_HOME
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0812121424w589b889tce56e5bc4dce6cd8@mail.gmail.com>
References: 
	<644fc65e0812120539j923945cmc5437c91d8afb4f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<494276AF.3060305@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<494290CE.2010104@tedpavlic.com> <49429340.2090208@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081212192813.GA9465@jg.home>
	<644fc65e0812121424w589b889tce56e5bc4dce6cd8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

2008/12/13 Doug Kearns :
> On 12/13/08, Kris Maglione  wrote:
>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:37:20AM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>
> 
>
>>  Frankly, I'd prefer that HOME expanded to ~, instead of VIMPERATOR_HOME,
>> because that's what all apps that it spawns will (hopefully) use. I'd really
>> prefer that we had something like VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME that defaults to
>> $HOME/.vimperator, and can be changed to fit whatever system you happen to
>> be on. So, for a portable app, something like H:/Settings/vimperator.
>> dot-files are just plain silly for user-editable config dirs.
>
> I agree.
>
> 

Me too.

--
Daniel

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Sat Dec 13 15:59:51 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:59:51 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] alt-number not functioning in switching tab under
 windows?
In-Reply-To: <128a87f00812122100p53cbb7edje97599be3d103742@mail.gmail.com>
References: <128a87f00812122100p53cbb7edje97599be3d103742@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49444C77.7090103@tedpavlic.com>

> I found ctrl-number works in switching tab, but alt-number does not,

I'm not on my Windows machine, but I speculate that something like...

:map  

would map Alt+1 to Cntrl+1.

> Is there a way to enable alt-number to switch tab? and is there a way
> to put a number on each tab?

Regarding numbers on tabs, try:

	:set go+=n

That is, turn on the "n" guioption.

	--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From konbu.komuro at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 20:54:11 2008
From: konbu.komuro at gmail.com (=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJTMlYCVtJTklSiUqGyhC?=)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:54:11 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] C-a, C-x behavior: number start with zero.
Message-ID: <6914ac6b0812132054k1af28d6fjd9d8e5fd25ebe143@mail.gmail.com>

There are lots of URL contain number start with zero.
e.g.
 http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2007/mfsa2007-02.html
 http://www.constructionupdate.com/products/constructionworld/2008/October2008/001.html

Now, vimperator  increment "http://foo/001" to "http://foo/2".
I suggest "http://foo/001" to "http://foo/002".

I attach patch that change behavior , .

http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/80

--
Department of Computer Science, The University of Electro-Communications
?? ??Komuro Sunao?
Email? konbu.komuro at gmail.com

From konbu.komuro at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 20:55:26 2008
From: konbu.komuro at gmail.com (=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJTMlYCVtJTklSiUqGyhC?=)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:55:26 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] io.expandPath("~/any/path") fail on Windows
Message-ID: <6914ac6b0812132055i1501e1dfn2fd66e5d360d7c5c@mail.gmail.com>

io.expandPath("~/any/path") fail on Windows.
So cannot load plugin, :cd "~/vimperator", etc.

I attach patch fix it.

http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/81

-- 
Department of Computer Science, The University of Electro-Communications
?? ??Komuro Sunao?
Email? konbu.komuro at gmail.com
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From konbu.komuro at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 21:06:33 2008
From: konbu.komuro at gmail.com (Komuro Sunao)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:06:33 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] C-a, C-x behavior: number start with zero.
In-Reply-To: <6914ac6b0812132054k1af28d6fjd9d8e5fd25ebe143@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6914ac6b0812132054k1af28d6fjd9d8e5fd25ebe143@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6914ac6b0812132106m64c722f8w662e2b4ba8274b61@mail.gmail.com>

sorry, I forgot attach patch and version info.
vimperator version is latest git: commit
004f4b565c48ead3e2c36dd86b592bd0d267a91c.

2008/12/14 ?????? :
> There are lots of URL contain number start with zero.
> e.g.
>  http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2007/mfsa2007-02.html
>  http://www.constructionupdate.com/products/constructionworld/2008/October2008/001.html
>
> Now, vimperator  increment "http://foo/001" to "http://foo/2".
> I suggest "http://foo/001" to "http://foo/002".
>
> I attach patch that change behavior , .
>
> http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/80
>
> --
> Department of Computer Science, The University of Electro-Communications
> ?? ??Komuro Sunao?
> Email? konbu.komuro at gmail.com
>



-- 
Department of Computer Science, The University of Electro-Communications
?? ??Komuro Sunao?
Email? konbu.komuro at gmail.com
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From konbu.komuro at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 21:07:26 2008
From: konbu.komuro at gmail.com (Komuro Sunao)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:07:26 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] io.expandPath("~/any/path") fail on Windows
In-Reply-To: <6914ac6b0812132055i1501e1dfn2fd66e5d360d7c5c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6914ac6b0812132055i1501e1dfn2fd66e5d360d7c5c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6914ac6b0812132107w543089fbr36c3bdef20b18456@mail.gmail.com>

sorry, I forgot version info.
vimperator version is latest git: commit
004f4b565c48ead3e2c36dd86b592bd0d267a91c.

2008/12/14 ?????? :
> io.expandPath("~/any/path") fail on Windows.
> So cannot load plugin, :cd "~/vimperator", etc.
>
> I attach patch fix it.
>
> http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/81
>
> --
> Department of Computer Science, The University of Electro-Communications
> ?? ??Komuro Sunao?
> Email? konbu.komuro at gmail.com
>



-- 
Department of Computer Science, The University of Electro-Communications
?? ??Komuro Sunao?
Email? konbu.komuro at gmail.com

From invite+hkh-v-hd at facebookmail.com  Sat Dec 13 22:40:08 2008
From: invite+hkh-v-hd at facebookmail.com (Qzi Er)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:40:08 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Check out my Facebook profile
Message-ID: <4e450057bcb01c05b9464b670b6ee119@localhost.localdomain>

Hi vimperator,

I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile.

Thanks,
Qzi

To sign up for Facebook, follow the link below:
http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=1387321357&k=4XD3Y4R5UZVM5BAFQEX4XU&r

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From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Sun Dec 14 07:16:30 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:16:30 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] LIBERATOR_HOME
In-Reply-To: 
References: 	<644fc65e0812120539j923945cmc5437c91d8afb4f5@mail.gmail.com>	<494276AF.3060305@tedpavlic.com>		<494290CE.2010104@tedpavlic.com>
	<49429340.2090208@tedpavlic.com>	<20081212192813.GA9465@jg.home>	<644fc65e0812121424w589b889tce56e5bc4dce6cd8@mail.gmail.com>
	
Message-ID: <4945234E.8050003@vimperator.org>

On 2008-12-13 17:55, Daniel Bainton wrote:

> 2008/12/13 Doug Kearns :
>> On 12/13/08, Kris Maglione  wrote:
>>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:37:20AM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>>  Frankly, I'd prefer that HOME expanded to ~, instead of VIMPERATOR_HOME,
>>> because that's what all apps that it spawns will (hopefully) use. I'd really
>>> prefer that we had something like VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME that defaults to
>>> $HOME/.vimperator, and can be changed to fit whatever system you happen to
>>> be on. So, for a portable app, something like H:/Settings/vimperator.
>>> dot-files are just plain silly for user-editable config dirs.
>>
>> I agree.
>>
>> 
> 
> Me too.


So do I. So, if somebody wants to change that, go ahead.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Sun Dec 14 08:11:30 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:11:30 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Restoring Cntrl+I from foreign JavaScript changes
Message-ID: <49453032.6060602@tedpavlic.com>

Some of Wikipedia's editing extensions override Cntrl+I. In fact, I'm 
pretty sure several bulletin boards do the same thing because Cntrl+I is 
so easy to use for "make italic."

The same types of pages that feel the need to grab Cntrl+I are also the 
same types of pages that have textareas that are perfect for external 
editors.

Any thoughts on how to kick off the external editor when Cntrl+I has 
been grabbed by the remote page?

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Sun Dec 14 14:21:30 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:21:30 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] C-a, C-x behavior: number start with zero.
In-Reply-To: <6914ac6b0812132054k1af28d6fjd9d8e5fd25ebe143@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6914ac6b0812132054k1af28d6fjd9d8e5fd25ebe143@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <494586EA.3020605@vimperator.org>

On 2008-12-14 05:54, ?????? wrote:

> There are lots of URL contain number start with zero.
> e.g.
>  http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2007/mfsa2007-02.html
>  http://www.constructionupdate.com/products/constructionworld/2008/October2008/001.html
> 
> Now, vimperator  increment "http://foo/001" to "http://foo/2".
> I suggest "http://foo/001" to "http://foo/002".
> 
> I attach patch that change behavior , .


Patch looks fine, I'll try to commit it when I find time.

thanks,

Martin

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 16:02:01 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:02:01 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] C-a, C-x behavior: number start with zero.
In-Reply-To: <6914ac6b0812132106m64c722f8w662e2b4ba8274b61@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6914ac6b0812132054k1af28d6fjd9d8e5fd25ebe143@mail.gmail.com>
	<6914ac6b0812132106m64c722f8w662e2b4ba8274b61@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081215000201.GA29153@jg>

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:06:33PM +0900, Komuro Sunao wrote:
>sorry, I forgot attach patch and version info.
>vimperator version is latest git: commit
>004f4b565c48ead3e2c36dd86b592bd0d267a91c.

Hi,

In the future, can you please use git format-patch? It helps us 
out a bit because it includes your contact information and 
commit message, and we can pass your message directly to 
'git am'

Thanks,
-- 
Kris Maglione

I'm confident that tomorrow's Unix will look like today's Unix, only
cruftier.
	--Russ Cox


From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 17:04:34 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:04:34 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] :open to search behaviour changed in latest git?
Message-ID: 

Hello everyone,

Normally, it you put ":open google ubuntu rocks" or ":open ubuntu
rocks"(if someone had already set google as default search engine)
under the command prompt, it will open a search results page from
google, but after trying the latest git with the same commands,
firefox will report a "the url is not valid or not exist" error, and I
had consulted the help file, too, but there are nothing described it.
so did I miss something or?  thx a lot!

Ye

From mftian at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 17:11:21 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:11:21 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] :open to search behaviour changed in latest git?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

the latest git version(develop version) breaks constantly, please be aware
of this before you try it. And if you found a bug, please submit it to the
trac so that developers could fix it

2008/12/15 Ye Xu 

> Hello everyone,
>
> Normally, it you put ":open google ubuntu rocks" or ":open ubuntu
> rocks"(if someone had already set google as default search engine)
> under the command prompt, it will open a search results page from
> google, but after trying the latest git with the same commands,
> firefox will report a "the url is not valid or not exist" error, and I
> had consulted the help file, too, but there are nothing described it.
> so did I miss something or?  thx a lot!
>
> Ye
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 17:14:14 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:14:14 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :open to search behaviour changed in latest git?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20081215011414.GA31214@jg>

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:04:34AM +0100, Ye Xu wrote:
>Normally, it you put ":open google ubuntu rocks" or ":open ubuntu
>rocks"(if someone had already set google as default search engine)
>under the command prompt, it will open a search results page from
>google, but after trying the latest git with the same commands,
>firefox will report a "the url is not valid or not exist" error, and I
>had consulted the help file, too, but there are nothing described it.
>so did I miss something or?  thx a lot!

Latest is a relative term. This was fixed about 5 minutes after 
I pushed it.

-- 
Kris Maglione

If you want to go somewhere, goto is the best way to get there.
	--Ken Thompson


From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 17:48:45 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:48:45 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] :open to search behaviour changed in latest git?
In-Reply-To: <20081215011414.GA31214@jg>
References: 
	<20081215011414.GA31214@jg>
Message-ID: 

cool, thx kris and xie. :)

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:14, Kris Maglione  wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 02:04:34AM +0100, Ye Xu wrote:
>>
>> Normally, it you put ":open google ubuntu rocks" or ":open ubuntu
>> rocks"(if someone had already set google as default search engine)
>> under the command prompt, it will open a search results page from
>> google, but after trying the latest git with the same commands,
>> firefox will report a "the url is not valid or not exist" error, and I
>> had consulted the help file, too, but there are nothing described it.
>> so did I miss something or?  thx a lot!
>
> Latest is a relative term. This was fixed about 5 minutes after I pushed it.
>
> --
> Kris Maglione
>
> If you want to go somewhere, goto is the best way to get there.
>        --Ken Thompson
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From zhang.zhengquan at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 19:35:55 2008
From: zhang.zhengquan at gmail.com (zhang zhengquan)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:35:55 -0600
Subject: [Vimperator] alt-number not functioning in switching tab under
	windows?
In-Reply-To: <49444C77.7090103@tedpavlic.com>
References: <128a87f00812122100p53cbb7edje97599be3d103742@mail.gmail.com>
	<49444C77.7090103@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <128a87f00812141935kc824431gf853706e96cefe29@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks but it seems I don't have this option in my  vimperator,
it is version 1.2. Is it in a unreleaseed version?

zhengquan
2008/12/13 Ted Pavlic :
>> I found ctrl-number works in switching tab, but alt-number does not,
>
> I'm not on my Windows machine, but I speculate that something like...
>
> :map  
>
> would map Alt+1 to Cntrl+1.
>
>> Is there a way to enable alt-number to switch tab? and is there a way
>> to put a number on each tab?
>
> Regarding numbers on tabs, try:
>
>        :set go+=n
>
> That is, turn on the "n" guioption.
>
>        --Ted
>
>
> --
> Ted Pavlic 
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From jick.nan at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 19:51:09 2008
From: jick.nan at gmail.com (Jick Nan)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:51:09 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] alt-number not functioning in switching tab under
	windows?
In-Reply-To: <128a87f00812141935kc824431gf853706e96cefe29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <128a87f00812122100p53cbb7edje97599be3d103742@mail.gmail.com>
	<49444C77.7090103@tedpavlic.com>
	<128a87f00812141935kc824431gf853706e96cefe29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Hi zhang,

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:35 AM, zhang zhengquan
 wrote:
> Thanks but it seems I don't have this option in my  vimperator,
> it is version 1.2. Is it in a unreleaseed version?

I find the guioptions+=n at git repo.

From mftian at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 19:52:04 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:52:04 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] alt-number not functioning in switching tab under
	windows?
In-Reply-To: <128a87f00812141935kc824431gf853706e96cefe29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <128a87f00812122100p53cbb7edje97599be3d103742@mail.gmail.com>
	<49444C77.7090103@tedpavlic.com>
	<128a87f00812141935kc824431gf853706e96cefe29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

2008/12/15 zhang zhengquan 

> Thanks but it seems I don't have this option in my  vimperator,
> it is version 1.2. Is it in a unreleaseed version?
>

yes, in the git version. Unfortunately it is still not ready to release.

To developers:
It has been over 3 months since v1.2. Since a lot of new features had been
added and bugs fixed, is it time to release a new stable version of
Vimperator? or shall we wait until Firefox 3.1?


>
> zhengquan
> 2008/12/13 Ted Pavlic :
> >> I found ctrl-number works in switching tab, but alt-number does not,
> >
> > I'm not on my Windows machine, but I speculate that something like...
> >
> > :map  
> >
> > would map Alt+1 to Cntrl+1.
> >
> >> Is there a way to enable alt-number to switch tab? and is there a way
> >> to put a number on each tab?
> >
> > Regarding numbers on tabs, try:
> >
> >        :set go+=n
> >
> > That is, turn on the "n" guioption.
> >
> >        --Ted
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ted Pavlic 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Vimperator mailing list
> > Vimperator at mozdev.org
> > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
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From zxycscj at 126.com  Sun Dec 14 22:16:03 2008
From: zxycscj at 126.com (Zhang)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:16:03 +0800 (CST)
Subject: [Vimperator] [vimperator 1.2] char-hints not work well
Message-ID: <21911228.244741229321763049.JavaMail.coremail@bj126app77.126.com>

version: 1.2

to enter the extend mode, I must press ";" twice.
then it give the hints above the link.
press the chars to focus a link and hover it with the mouse.

here. the problem is.
next. i press 'o' or 't' it will not open the link.
just give the 'open' or 'tabopen' on command line.

the java script file is done at "http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/27"

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From zxycscj at 126.com  Sun Dec 14 22:17:08 2008
From: zxycscj at 126.com (Zhang)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:17:08 +0800 (CST)
Subject: [Vimperator] how to write the script file for vimperator
Message-ID: <8232836.245461229321828794.JavaMail.coremail@bj126app77.126.com>

 
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From mftian at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 22:21:58 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:21:58 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] how to write the script file for vimperator
In-Reply-To: <8232836.245461229321828794.JavaMail.coremail@bj126app77.126.com>
References: <8232836.245461229321828794.JavaMail.coremail@bj126app77.126.com>
Message-ID: 

press  and check out the "Repeating Commands" section

also, scripts on vimperator.org would be good examples

2008/12/15 Zhang 

>
>  does anyone has the related document
>
>
> ------------------------------
> [??] ???????EX????????3500??????
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From konbu.komuro at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 00:12:09 2008
From: konbu.komuro at gmail.com (Komuro Sunao)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:12:09 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] C-a, C-x behavior: number start with zero.
In-Reply-To: <20081215000201.GA29153@jg>
References: <6914ac6b0812132054k1af28d6fjd9d8e5fd25ebe143@mail.gmail.com>
	<6914ac6b0812132106m64c722f8w662e2b4ba8274b61@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081215000201.GA29153@jg>
Message-ID: <6914ac6b0812150012r174fbc0bs9d26eed82d527062@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

> Patch looks fine, I'll try to commit it when I find time.
Thanks a lot!

> In the future, can you please use git format-patch? It helps us out a bit
> because it includes your contact information and commit message, and we can
> pass your message directly to 'git am'
I didn't know git format-patch.
Thanks, I use it next time.

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Kris Maglione  wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:06:33PM +0900, Komuro Sunao wrote:
>>
>> sorry, I forgot attach patch and version info.
>> vimperator version is latest git: commit
>> 004f4b565c48ead3e2c36dd86b592bd0d267a91c.
>
> Hi,
>
> In the future, can you please use git format-patch? It helps us out a bit
> because it includes your contact information and commit message, and we can
> pass your message directly to 'git am'
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Kris Maglione
>
> I'm confident that tomorrow's Unix will look like today's Unix, only
> cruftier.
>        --Russ Cox
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>



-- 
Department of Computer Science, The University of Electro-Communications
?? ??Komuro Sunao?
Email? konbu.komuro at gmail.com

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Mon Dec 15 00:32:14 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:32:14 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] alt-number not functioning in switching tab under
	windows?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <128a87f00812122100p53cbb7edje97599be3d103742@mail.gmail.com>
	<49444C77.7090103@tedpavlic.com>
	<128a87f00812141935kc824431gf853706e96cefe29@mail.gmail.com>
	
Message-ID: 

> To developers:
> It has been over 3 months since v1.2. Since a lot of new features had been
> added and bugs fixed, is it time to release a new stable version of
> Vimperator? or shall we wait until Firefox 3.1?

Well, I wanted to release 2.0 this year, or *at least* when Firefox 3.1 is out.
Unfortunately, I got a new apartment and so I have even less time to polish
things for a release. I just fear we cannot release vimp 2.0 in the
current state, but
mostly due to lots of small bugs, rather than a few big. So if anybody can help
out in testing all commands/mappings and fixing bugs instead of adding
new features,
we might get 2.0 out faster.

E.g. even a non developer could just test all :commands with various
(also invalid)
options, and report what's broken. Developers could take a look at
vimperator/regressions.js
and add many more tests there. Once we have a more complete test
suite, also subsequent
releases could be done faster.

--
Martin

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 12:16:55 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:16:55 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] :set complete=bls,
	the completion won't include my local bookmarks
Message-ID: 

Hello Everyone,

I am using the git version of vimperator, and :set complete=bls to
include my local bookmarks. but the completion results don't include
any of them, e.g, give name for a bookmarklet as "abc", and then :open
abc. there is only "waiting..." showed. did I miss some thing or i
shall do some other configuration to make it to work?

Thx
Ye

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 12:35:54 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:35:54 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] :set complete=bls,
	the completion won't include my local bookmarks
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

sorry for disturbance, after a :restart, the completion works again.

but it has another small issue.

if I ":set wildoptions=auto", and then ":open anything" the experience
is really laggy, and everytime it would be busy working for a few
seconds to load the completion results. so i have to go back to manual
tab completion mode with :set wildoption=sort. this issue didn't exist
with older git version.

From hessiess at hessiess.com  Mon Dec 15 13:01:30 2008
From: hessiess at hessiess.com (hessiess at hessiess.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:01:30 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Vimperator] Spell checking and vimperator
Message-ID: 

For some reason placing the cursor over a spelling mistake in firefox and
pressing the 'open right click menu' key (or whatever its proper name is)
opens up the menu WITHOUT spelling suggestions, however in openoffice,
this works as it should (Exactilly how sutch a simple bug as this hasant
bean fixed yet is beyond me).

This is extremity annoying because I frequently use a laptop with an
absolutely terrible toutchpad. And also because using a mouse for more
than a few minutes makes my hand hurt. Is there any command in vimporator
to open this menu properly with spelling suggestions, or some way of
making text inputs always open in an external editor. being dyslexic,
spell checking is absolutely essential.

Also, is it possible to turn up the page scroll speed?


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 14:39:41 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:39:41 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] alt-number not functioning in switching tab
	under	windows?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <128a87f00812122100p53cbb7edje97599be3d103742@mail.gmail.com>
	<49444C77.7090103@tedpavlic.com>
	<128a87f00812141935kc824431gf853706e96cefe29@mail.gmail.com>
	
	
Message-ID: <20081215223941.GA21774@jg>

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 09:32:14AM +0100, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>Well, I wanted to release 2.0 this year, or *at least* when Firefox 3.1 is out.
>Unfortunately, I got a new apartment and so I have even less time to polish
>things for a release. I just fear we cannot release vimp 2.0 in the
>current state, but
>mostly due to lots of small bugs, rather than a few big. So if anybody can help
>out in testing all commands/mappings and fixing bugs instead of adding
>new features,
>we might get 2.0 out faster.

I'd suggest, at this point, that we start a feature freeze, 
release an alpha, and work on bug fixes. Perhaps we should make 
an exception for the 9s on the TODO list, but they're more bugs 
than features, anyway.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Increasingly, people seem to misinterpret complexity as
sophistication, which is baffling---the incomprehensible should cause
suspicion rather than admiration.  Possibly this trend results from a
mistaken belief that using a somewhat mysterious device confers an
aura of power on the user.
	--Niklaus Wirth


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Dec 15 16:14:28 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:14:28 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] alt-number not functioning in switching tab under
 windows?
In-Reply-To: <20081215223941.GA21774@jg>
References: <128a87f00812122100p53cbb7edje97599be3d103742@mail.gmail.com>
	<49444C77.7090103@tedpavlic.com>
	<128a87f00812141935kc824431gf853706e96cefe29@mail.gmail.com>
	
	
	<20081215223941.GA21774@jg>
Message-ID: <4946F2E4.3020206@tedpavlic.com>

> I'd suggest, at this point, that we start a feature freeze,
> release an alpha, and work on bug fixes. Perhaps we should make
> an exception for the 9s on the TODO list, but they're more bugs
> than features, anyway.

Because you're git'ting now, you could always create stable/dev branches 
and/or separate repos for development.

Right now the Vimperator git repo is still operating like a centralized 
SCM. It wouldn't hurt to stray a little bit from a single trunk.

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 17:00:37 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:00:37 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] alt-number not functioning in switching tab
	under	windows?
In-Reply-To: <4946F2E4.3020206@tedpavlic.com>
References: <128a87f00812122100p53cbb7edje97599be3d103742@mail.gmail.com>
	<49444C77.7090103@tedpavlic.com>
	<128a87f00812141935kc824431gf853706e96cefe29@mail.gmail.com>
	
	
	<20081215223941.GA21774@jg> <4946F2E4.3020206@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081216010037.GA10347@jg>

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 07:14:28PM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> Because you're git'ting now, you could always create stable/dev branches  
> and/or separate repos for development.
>
> Right now the Vimperator git repo is still operating like a centralized  
> SCM. It wouldn't hurt to stray a little bit from a single trunk.

It's not operating like a centralized repos. That has nothing to 
do with branches. We should obviously branch with each release, 
for the sake of bug fixes and so forth. But we don't have enough 
developers to justify so many branches, and there's no sense in 
us branching at this point. It's best for all of us to work on 
readying the tree for release rather than dividing our efforts.

-- 
Kris Maglione

UNIX was not designed to stop its users from doing stupid things, as
that would also stop them from doing clever things.
	--Doug Gwyn


From dpb at driftaway.org  Mon Dec 15 23:09:05 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:09:05 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 1
Message-ID: 

Hi all!

It's the time of the year that we're asking for testers!

I just released alpha 1 of Vimperator 2.0
(http://vimperator.org/trac/blog/2.0%20alpha%201).

We're now going into code freeze mode, and will only accept bug fixes.
That is, no new features coming unless they fix something.

So if you're brave enough to start testing, you can find the awesome
alpha from http://download.vimperator.org/vimperator/

Please file bug reports of every bug you find!

--
Daniel

From cbill.lam at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 23:59:30 2008
From: cbill.lam at gmail.com (bill lam)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:59:30 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 1
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20081216075930.GB6911@b2j>

On Tue, 16 Dec 2008, Daniel Bainton wrote:
> Please file bug reports of every bug you find!

Sorry I'm not sure if this is a bug or change in behavior. My rc
contains map that works in 1.2 but fails in 2.0

:map  :open http://192.168.1.1     " this works in 2.0
:map bm :sidebar Bookmarks              " this does not
:map bv ;T                                  " this does not

-- 
regards,
====================================================
GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24
gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3
??180 ??  ??????
    ???????  ???????  ???????  ???????
    ???????  ???????  ???????  ???????

From cbill.lam at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 00:08:16 2008
From: cbill.lam at gmail.com (bill lam)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:08:16 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 1
In-Reply-To: <20081216075930.GB6911@b2j>
References: 
	<20081216075930.GB6911@b2j>
Message-ID: <20081216080816.GC6911@b2j>

On Tue, 16 Dec 2008, bill lam wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008, Daniel Bainton wrote:
> > Please file bug reports of every bug you find!
> 
> Sorry I'm not sure if this is a bug or change in behavior. My rc
> contains map that works in 1.2 but fails in 2.0
> 
> :map  :open http://192.168.1.1     " this works in 2.0
> :map bm :sidebar Bookmarks              " this does not
> :map bv ;T                                  " this does not

Also all quick bookmarks created using M seem lost.

-- 
regards,
====================================================
GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24
gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3
??136 ???  ?????????
    ?????  ?????  ?????  ?????
    ?????  ?????  ?????  ?????

From benisty.e at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 02:52:33 2008
From: benisty.e at gmail.com (Emmanuel Benisty)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:52:33 +0700
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 1
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Daniel Bainton  wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> It's the time of the year that we're asking for testers!
>
> I just released alpha 1 of Vimperator 2.0
> (http://vimperator.org/trac/blog/2.0%20alpha%201).
>
> We're now going into code freeze mode, and will only accept bug fixes.
> That is, no new features coming unless they fix something.
>
> So if you're brave enough to start testing, you can find the awesome
> alpha from http://download.vimperator.org/vimperator/
>
> Please file bug reports of every bug you find!

ultra basic usage remarks (no intensive testing yet):
- missing the ;F or permanent hints feature (I've been told earlier
it's been dropped. just to say that was a very useful feature
especially while browsing forums)
- smart completion list populating is dead slow, is it because of any
extra feature i didn't notice yet?

thanks.

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 03:36:09 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:36:09 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 1
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
Message-ID: 

> - smart completion list populating is dead slow, is it because of any
> extra feature i didn't notice yet?

same experience here, have to go back to ":set wildoptions=sort".

From tshort at epri.com  Tue Dec 16 04:39:04 2008
From: tshort at epri.com (ts)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:39:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 1
References: 
Message-ID: 

With 2.0 alpha 1 on Firefox 3.0.4 on winXP, when I type anything to get to the
bottom command prompt ("o", ":", and so on), Firefox locks up and pegs the
processor. I tried disabling all other add-ons and removing my .vimperatorrc,
but I got the same. Version 1.2 works great on the same machine.



From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 07:21:45 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:21:45 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 1
In-Reply-To: <20081216080816.GC6911@b2j>
References: 
	<20081216075930.GB6911@b2j> <20081216080816.GC6911@b2j>
Message-ID: <20081216152145.GA32498@jg>

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 04:08:16PM +0800, bill lam wrote:
>Also all quick bookmarks created using M seem lost.

We've changed the storage format. Attached is a script to 
convert your quickmarks, command history, etc. Just :source it. 
I suppose it should happen by default

-- 
Kris Maglione

Lisp has jokingly been called "the most intelligent way to misuse a
computer".  I think that description is a great compliment because it
transmits the full flavor of liberation: it has assisted a number of
our most gifted fellow humans in thinking previously impossible
thoughts.
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra, CACM, 15:10

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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 07:24:17 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:24:17 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 1
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
Message-ID: <20081216152417.GB32498@jg>

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 05:52:33PM +0700, Emmanuel Benisty wrote:
>- missing the ;F or permanent hints feature (I've been told earlier
>it's been dropped. just to say that was a very useful feature
>especially while browsing forums)

It was always quirky. The hints didn't scroll when the page did, 
which made it practically useless after opening a new page. It's 
easier and faster to just use the mouse.

>- smart completion list populating is dead slow, is it because of any
>extra feature i didn't notice yet?

For what command? :open? Try :set cpt-=f. I haven't figured out 
why that's so slow, but it seems to be the problem.

-- 
Kris Maglione

There's no sense being exact about something if you don't even know
what you're talking about.
	--John von Neumann


From benisty.e at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 08:06:55 2008
From: benisty.e at gmail.com (Emmanuel Benisty)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:06:55 +0700
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 1
In-Reply-To: <20081216152417.GB32498@jg>
References: 
	
	<20081216152417.GB32498@jg>
Message-ID: 

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Kris Maglione  wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 05:52:33PM +0700, Emmanuel Benisty wrote:
>>
>> - missing the ;F or permanent hints feature (I've been told earlier
>> it's been dropped. just to say that was a very useful feature
>> especially while browsing forums)
>
> It was always quirky. The hints didn't scroll when the page did, which made
> it practically useless after opening a new page. It's easier and faster to
> just use the mouse.

thanks for the explanation.

>> - smart completion list populating is dead slow, is it because of any
>> extra feature i didn't notice yet?
>
> For what command? :open? Try :set cpt-=f. I haven't figured out why that's
> so slow, but it seems to be the problem.

yes for :open, cpt-=f didn't solve it.

just for information:
$ firefox -v
Mozilla Firefox 3.2a1pre, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2008 mozilla.org
$ uname -a
Linux blackout 2.6.28-mm #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Dec 11 03:15:58 ICT 2008
i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7300 @ 2.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Tue Dec 16 10:28:18 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:28:18 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimp not loading...thoughts?
Message-ID: <4947F342.6060403@tedpavlic.com>

On my Windows machine, Vimperator used to load fine. I don't remember 
doing anything significant to my Windows machine (except maybe changing 
my domain password over the weekend), but now I can't get Vimperator to 
load.

Regardless of which git changeset I checkout to build the XPI that I 
install on my Windows machine, Firefox starts up and behaves exactly 
like Vimperator is not installed. However, if I look at Addons, Firefox 
claims that Vimperator is installed, enabled, and active.

I've tried uninstalling Firefox completely (including settings) and 
re-installing so that Vimperator (and RealPlayer) is the only extension. 
I still get the same result.

Initially, when I had other extensions loaded as well, I noticed that 
enabling Vimperator caused a small bar to appear at the bottom of the 
screen that I could drag in order to make a non-clickable area larger or 
smaller... but even that area has disappeared.

Thoughts? What could be causing Vimp not to load? How do I get it back?

Thanks --
Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Tue Dec 16 10:29:59 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:29:59 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimp not loading...thoughts?
In-Reply-To: <4947F342.6060403@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4947F342.6060403@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <4947F3A7.2070400@vimperator.org>

On 2008-12-16 19:28, Ted Pavlic wrote:

> On my Windows machine, Vimperator used to load fine. I don't remember 
> doing anything significant to my Windows machine (except maybe changing 
> my domain password over the weekend), but now I can't get Vimperator to 
> load.
> 
> Regardless of which git changeset I checkout to build the XPI that I 
> install on my Windows machine, Firefox starts up and behaves exactly 
> like Vimperator is not installed. However, if I look at Addons, Firefox 
> claims that Vimperator is installed, enabled, and active.
> 
> I've tried uninstalling Firefox completely (including settings) and 
> re-installing so that Vimperator (and RealPlayer) is the only extension. 
> I still get the same result.
> 
> Initially, when I had other extensions loaded as well, I noticed that 
> enabling Vimperator caused a small bar to appear at the bottom of the 
> screen that I could drag in order to make a non-clickable area larger or 
> smaller... but even that area has disappeared.
> 
> Thoughts? What could be causing Vimp not to load? How do I get it back?


usually other extensions.

Try a new profile.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Tue Dec 16 10:35:45 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:35:45 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimp not loading...thoughts?
In-Reply-To: <4947F3A7.2070400@vimperator.org>
References: <4947F342.6060403@tedpavlic.com> <4947F3A7.2070400@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <4947F501.8010206@tedpavlic.com>

>> Thoughts? What could be causing Vimp not to load? How do I get it back?
> usually other extensions.
>
> Try a new profile.

I tried uninstalling Firefox completely, which included blowing away my 
AppSupport/Mozilla/Firefox directory.

I even logged in under my local account (I was on my domain account 
before) and installing Vimperator, and that had the same result.

There's something attached to the system that's causing Vimp not to 
load, and I can't figure out what it is (note: other extensions, like 
NoScript, seem to load fine).

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Tue Dec 16 10:43:11 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:43:11 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimp not loading...thoughts?
In-Reply-To: <4947F501.8010206@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4947F342.6060403@tedpavlic.com> <4947F3A7.2070400@vimperator.org>
	<4947F501.8010206@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <4947F6BF.8020307@tedpavlic.com>

> There's something attached to the system that's causing Vimp not to
> load, and I can't figure out what it is (note: other extensions, like
> NoScript, seem to load fine).

Note: To my surprise, Vimp1.2 loads fine.

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Tue Dec 16 10:47:01 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:47:01 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimp not loading...thoughts?
In-Reply-To: <4947F6BF.8020307@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4947F342.6060403@tedpavlic.com> <4947F3A7.2070400@vimperator.org>
	<4947F501.8010206@tedpavlic.com> <4947F6BF.8020307@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <4947F7A5.7030809@tedpavlic.com>

> Note: To my surprise, Vimp1.2 loads fine.

Note: To my surprise, Vimp2.0a1 from vimperator.org loads fine.

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Tue Dec 16 10:52:01 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:52:01 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimp not loading...thoughts?
In-Reply-To: <4947F7A5.7030809@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4947F342.6060403@tedpavlic.com> <4947F3A7.2070400@vimperator.org>
	<4947F501.8010206@tedpavlic.com> <4947F6BF.8020307@tedpavlic.com>
	<4947F7A5.7030809@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <4947F8D1.4050303@tedpavlic.com>

> Note: To my surprise, Vimp2.0a1 from vimperator.org loads fine.

Note: To my surprise, the latest Vimp nightly from vimperator.org loads 
fine.

For some reason, when I...

*) "make xpi" from my Mac
*) scp the resulting XPI to a UNIX machine with a network drive shared 
on my Windows machine
*) install the XPI onto my Windows machine

then Vimperator doesn't load. I've been following these steps for 
several weeks now without a problem. For some reason, today I have this 
problem.

Anywhere I can look to see what's happening when Firefox starts using an 
XPI that I've built?

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Tue Dec 16 11:12:17 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:12:17 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimp not loading...thoughts?
In-Reply-To: <4947F8D1.4050303@tedpavlic.com>
References: <4947F342.6060403@tedpavlic.com> <4947F3A7.2070400@vimperator.org>
	<4947F501.8010206@tedpavlic.com> <4947F6BF.8020307@tedpavlic.com>
	<4947F7A5.7030809@tedpavlic.com> <4947F8D1.4050303@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <4947FD91.8090208@tedpavlic.com>

> Note: To my surprise, the latest Vimp nightly from vimperator.org loads
> fine.

Evidently my git repo got corrupted. I trashed it and cloned a new one 
and now XPI's I build work fine.

Thanks --
Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From zhang.zhengquan at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 13:18:24 2008
From: zhang.zhengquan at gmail.com (zhang zhengquan)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:18:24 -0600
Subject: [Vimperator] change font size when printing
Message-ID: <128a87f00812161318v20d08a2enafce53b271c3a4e1@mail.gmail.com>

Dear vimperator users:
I have a problem printing webpages.
The wikipedia pages font would be too big if I print them out by a printer.
Is there any way to shrink the fonts easily and permanently when
printing with a real printer?

Thanks.

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 13:59:29 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:59:29 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] change font size when printing
In-Reply-To: <128a87f00812161318v20d08a2enafce53b271c3a4e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <128a87f00812161318v20d08a2enafce53b271c3a4e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081216215929.GA14454@jg>

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 03:18:24PM -0600, zhang zhengquan wrote:
>Dear vimperator users:
>I have a problem printing webpages.
>The wikipedia pages font would be too big if I print them out by a printer.
>Is there any way to shrink the fonts easily and permanently when
>printing with a real printer?

Something like:

:style -n print * @media print { * { font-size: 120% } }

would work, but not well, and for every site. There might be a 
better solution. You can scale it via zi or via a drop down in 
the print preview, but that's not permanent.

-- 
Kris Maglione

APL is a mistake, carried through to perfection.  It is the language
of the future for the programming techniques of the past: it creates a
new generation of coding bums.
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


From zhang.zhengquan at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 18:18:32 2008
From: zhang.zhengquan at gmail.com (zhang zhengquan)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:18:32 -0600
Subject: [Vimperator] change font size when printing
In-Reply-To: <20081216215929.GA14454@jg>
References: <128a87f00812161318v20d08a2enafce53b271c3a4e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081216215929.GA14454@jg>
Message-ID: <128a87f00812161818me7dec40k9e9503a80cf9c1ae@mail.gmail.com>

this is nice but this feature is not in my vimperator 1.2..
finally I managed to change it permanently by editing the userContent.css

@media print {

  body {
   font-size: 60% !important;
  }

  * {
  font-family:'Times New Roman' !important;
  }

}

the font size works but the font-family does not...

Thanks.

2008/12/16 Kris Maglione :
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 03:18:24PM -0600, zhang zhengquan wrote:
>>
>> Dear vimperator users:
>> I have a problem printing webpages.
>> The wikipedia pages font would be too big if I print them out by a
>> printer.
>> Is there any way to shrink the fonts easily and permanently when
>> printing with a real printer?
>
> Something like:
>
> :style -n print * @media print { * { font-size: 120% } }
>
> would work, but not well, and for every site. There might be a better
> solution. You can scale it via zi or via a drop down in the print preview,
> but that's not permanent.
>
> --
> Kris Maglione
>
> APL is a mistake, carried through to perfection.  It is the language
> of the future for the programming techniques of the past: it creates a
> new generation of coding bums.
>        --Edsger W. Dijkstra
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 19:09:52 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:09:52 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] change font size when printing
In-Reply-To: <128a87f00812161818me7dec40k9e9503a80cf9c1ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <128a87f00812161318v20d08a2enafce53b271c3a4e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081216215929.GA14454@jg>
	<128a87f00812161818me7dec40k9e9503a80cf9c1ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:18 PM, zhang zhengquan
 wrote:
>  * {
>  font-family:'Times New Roman' !important;
>  }
>
> }
>
> the font size works but the font-family does not...

It needs to be unquoted.

From ervandew at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 21:27:18 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:27:18 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value from
	search terms
Message-ID: 

Prior to one of the change sets applied one or two weeks ago :open,
etc. would interpret the following as an attempt to open a url for the
host 'foo'

:open foo/

but now it executes a search instead.  I currently do web development
for a living, so the previous behavior saved me a lot of typing when
opening my local or other local network box urls.

Attached is a patch to change the regex pattern used, allowing all of
the following to be recognized as a url and not a search term:

foo/
foo:8080
foo.com/bar
foo.com:8080
foo?foo=bar

It would be great to have this or some other similar regex used to
save me and others the extra typing of 'http://foo' or
'foo.my.local.domain', when just 'foo/' could suffice.

--
eric
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 21:52:34 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:52:34 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
	from search terms
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Eric Van Dewoestine
 wrote:
> Prior to one of the change sets applied one or two weeks ago :open,
> etc. would interpret the following as an attempt to open a url for the
> host 'foo'
>
> :open foo/
>
> but now it executes a search instead.  I currently do web development
> for a living, so the previous behavior saved me a lot of typing when
> opening my local or other local network box urls.

Frankly, I'm not a fan. I'm not really a fan of 'defsearch' in
general. It seems a lot simpler to just disable defsearch and rid
yourself of the ambiguity altogether. If you set a keyword like g or
gg for google, the overhead isn't noticeable, and you don't ever have
to worry about what will be considered a search and what will be
considered a URL (although you still have to worry about what will be
considered a file).

From zxycscj at 126.com  Wed Dec 17 05:36:02 2008
From: zxycscj at 126.com (Zhang)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:36:02 +0800 (CST)
Subject: [Vimperator] [colorscheme] E492 not a browser command: colorscheme
Message-ID: <33119542.625361229520962491.JavaMail.coremail@bj126app67.126.com>

 
 Version 1.2
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From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Dec 17 06:20:09 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:20:09 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] [colorscheme] E492 not a browser command:
	colorscheme
In-Reply-To: <33119542.625361229520962491.JavaMail.coremail@bj126app67.126.com>
References: <33119542.625361229520962491.JavaMail.coremail@bj126app67.126.com>
Message-ID: 

Try 2.0 alpha1 (and report all bugs you find). Please search the
mailing list or homepage before asking where to download!

2008/12/17 Zhang :
>
>  Version 1.2
>  how can i use the colorscheme
>
>
> ________________________________
> ?????????????????
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>
>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec 17 06:50:03 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:50:03 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
 from search terms
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <4949119B.20609@tedpavlic.com>

I think the attached patch would probably cause the same amount of bug 
reports as leaving it unpatched.

> foo/
> foo:8080
> foo.com/bar
> foo?foo=bar

(note: foo.com:8080 is already handled)

I don't use defsearch, but one of the people who do will probably some 
day start a sentence with something that will match (especially when you 
start getting ?'s involved).

(OTOH, "foo.com/bar" seems like it should open)

Probably the best way to "intelligently" decipher whether or not 
something is a defsearch would involve seeing if the first (\w+) is a 
host, and that sort of handling is probably best left to Firefox to 
figure out.

THOUGHT: If you'd like, perhaps you could make a feature request for a 
sort of "open without defsearch". That is, if you /know/ you're going to 
be opening short hosts, then use a special open.

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec 17 07:02:07 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:02:07 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
 from search terms
In-Reply-To: <4949119B.20609@tedpavlic.com>
References: 
	<4949119B.20609@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <4949146F.7070804@tedpavlic.com>

>> foo/
>> foo:8080
>> foo?foo=bar
> (note: foo.com:8080 is already handled)
> (OTOH, "foo.com/bar" seems like it should open)

Verified. foo.com/bar already opens too.

So, again, to handle single word hosts, *I* would be happier with a new 
feature (not in this release, of course, but in a future release) that 
short-circuits defsearch.

For now that feature already exists --- turn off defsearch.

Another new feature idea: Allow for temporarily setting options during a 
command (like git's --config option). You could then do something like...

	:open --nodefsearch foo:8080

and then map that to something easy to use.

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 07:17:59 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:17:59 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
	from search terms
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
Message-ID: <644fc65e0812170717u216a4b3bh90eccfdc04918f38@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/17/08, Kris Maglione  wrote:



> Frankly, I'm not a fan. I'm not really a fan of 'defsearch' in
>  general. It seems a lot simpler to just disable defsearch and rid
>  yourself of the ambiguity altogether. If you set a keyword like g or
>  gg for google, the overhead isn't noticeable, and you don't ever have
>  to worry about what will be considered a search and what will be
>  considered a URL (although you still have to worry about what will be
>  considered a file).

FWIW, I'm starting to fall out of love with 'defsearch' too.  It just
seems to "get it wrong" often enough to be annoying.

Doug

From cbill.lam at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 07:29:58 2008
From: cbill.lam at gmail.com (bill lam)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:29:58 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish
	value	from search terms
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0812170717u216a4b3bh90eccfdc04918f38@mail.gmail.com>
References: 
	
	<644fc65e0812170717u216a4b3bh90eccfdc04918f38@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081217152957.GB6950@b2j>

On Thu, 18 Dec 2008, Doug Kearns wrote:
> FWIW, I'm starting to fall out of love with 'defsearch' too.  It just
> seems to "get it wrong" often enough to be annoying.

+1

If I type :o ubuntu ldap, it opens the ldap package of ubuntu.  I guess
:o is far too smart, I would prefer a dumb :o and another :gg

Just my two cents.

-- 
regards,
====================================================
GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24
gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3
??183 ??  ??
    ???????  ???????  ???????  ???????
    ???????  ???????  ???????  ???????

From ervandew at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 07:42:20 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:42:20 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
	from search terms
In-Reply-To: <4949119B.20609@tedpavlic.com>
References: 
	<4949119B.20609@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: 

> (note: foo.com:8080 is already handled)

Yeah, the first condition, prior to the regex I changed, should handle
any host with a dot, and the original regex then only handles hosts
with a port number.

> I don't use defsearch, but one of the people who do will probably some day
> start a sentence with something that will match (especially when you start
> getting ?'s involved).

I agree that including ? was a bit much.  I ended up settling on:

^[\w.]+(?::\d+|\/)

which just moves the port matching inside of the group giving me back
the old behavior of supporting 'foo/'.

> (OTOH, "foo.com/bar" seems like it should open)

again, hosts with a dot are not the issue the patch was attempting to
solve.  Those are already handled just fine.

> Probably the best way to "intelligently" decipher whether or not something
> is a defsearch would involve seeing if the first (\w+) is a host, and that
> sort of handling is probably best left to Firefox to figure out.

That seems like it would be overkill.

> THOUGHT: If you'd like, perhaps you could make a feature request for a sort
> of "open without defsearch". That is, if you /know/ you're going to be
> opening short hosts, then use a special open.

I find that defsearch works just fine for me.  My only gripe is the
recent changed which now sends 'foo/' to a search instead of opening
it as a url.


--
eric

From ervandew at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 07:45:25 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:45:25 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
	from search terms
In-Reply-To: <20081217152957.GB6950@b2j>
References: 
	
	<644fc65e0812170717u216a4b3bh90eccfdc04918f38@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081217152957.GB6950@b2j>
Message-ID: 

> +1
>
> If I type :o ubuntu ldap, it opens the ldap package of ubuntu.  I guess
> :o is far too smart, I would prefer a dumb :o and another :gg

A similar annoying behavior I've found, is that if I happen to have a
directory named 'test' in my home dir, and then try

:open test

then vimperator opens 'file:///home/me/test'. This is another case
where it seems that :open is being a little too clever.


--
eric

From dpb at driftaway.org  Wed Dec 17 07:48:22 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:48:22 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
 from search terms
In-Reply-To: 
References: 		<644fc65e0812170717u216a4b3bh90eccfdc04918f38@mail.gmail.com>	<20081217152957.GB6950@b2j>
	
Message-ID: <49491F46.2020803@driftaway.org>

On 17/12/08 17:45, Eric Van Dewoestine wrote:
>> +1
>>
>> If I type :o ubuntu ldap, it opens the ldap package of ubuntu.  I guess
>> :o is far too smart, I would prefer a dumb :o and another :gg
>
> A similar annoying behavior I've found, is that if I happen to have a
> directory named 'test' in my home dir, and then try
>
> :open test
>
> then vimperator opens 'file:///home/me/test'. This is another case
> where it seems that :open is being a little too clever.

I can't reproduce this, it just opens test in google for me.

--
Daniel

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 07:54:20 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:54:20 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
	from search terms
In-Reply-To: <49491F46.2020803@driftaway.org>
References: 
	
	<644fc65e0812170717u216a4b3bh90eccfdc04918f38@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081217152957.GB6950@b2j>
	
	<49491F46.2020803@driftaway.org>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0812170754u2c183b71jcf51196b6a260cf7@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/18/08, Daniel Bainton  wrote:
> On 17/12/08 17:45, Eric Van Dewoestine wrote:



> > A similar annoying behavior I've found, is that if I happen to have a
> > directory named 'test' in my home dir, and then try
> >
> > :open test
> >
> > then vimperator opens 'file:///home/me/test'. This is another case
> > where it seems that :open is being a little too clever.
> >
>
>  I can't reproduce this, it just opens test in google for me.

It seems to have changed, it used to happen all the time to me.

Don't tell Martin.

Doug

From dpb at driftaway.org  Wed Dec 17 07:57:59 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:57:59 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
 from search terms
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0812170754u2c183b71jcf51196b6a260cf7@mail.gmail.com>
References: 		<644fc65e0812170717u216a4b3bh90eccfdc04918f38@mail.gmail.com>	<20081217152957.GB6950@b2j>		<49491F46.2020803@driftaway.org>
	<644fc65e0812170754u2c183b71jcf51196b6a260cf7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49492187.8070300@driftaway.org>

On 17/12/08 17:54, Doug Kearns wrote:
> On 12/18/08, Daniel Bainton  wrote:
>> On 17/12/08 17:45, Eric Van Dewoestine wrote:
>
> 
>
>>> A similar annoying behavior I've found, is that if I happen to have a
>>> directory named 'test' in my home dir, and then try
>>>
>>> :open test
>>>
>>> then vimperator opens 'file:///home/me/test'. This is another case
>>> where it seems that :open is being a little too clever.
>>>
>>   I can't reproduce this, it just opens test in google for me.
>
> It seems to have changed, it used to happen all the time to me.
>
> Don't tell Martin.

I'm guessing he will read this thread sometime though. ;P

--
Daniel

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec 17 08:05:45 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:05:45 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
 from search terms
In-Reply-To: <20081217152957.GB6950@b2j>
References: 
	
	<644fc65e0812170717u216a4b3bh90eccfdc04918f38@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081217152957.GB6950@b2j>
Message-ID: <49492359.4070407@tedpavlic.com>

> If I type :o ubuntu ldap, it opens the ldap package of ubuntu.  I guess
> :o is far too smart, I would prefer a dumb :o and another :gg

That opens google for me.

Do you have an ubuntu keyword that you don't know about. 

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec 17 08:06:00 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:06:00 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
 from search terms
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
	<644fc65e0812170717u216a4b3bh90eccfdc04918f38@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081217152957.GB6950@b2j>
	
Message-ID: <49492368.6090905@tedpavlic.com>

> :open test

Opens google for me.

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From dpb at driftaway.org  Wed Dec 17 08:07:45 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:07:45 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
 from search terms
In-Reply-To: <49492359.4070407@tedpavlic.com>
References: 		<644fc65e0812170717u216a4b3bh90eccfdc04918f38@mail.gmail.com>	<20081217152957.GB6950@b2j>
	<49492359.4070407@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <494923D1.6000702@driftaway.org>

On 17/12/08 18:05, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>> If I type :o ubuntu ldap, it opens the ldap package of ubuntu.  I guess
>> :o is far too smart, I would prefer a dumb :o and another :gg
>
> That opens google for me.
>
> Do you have an ubuntu keyword that you don't know about. 
>
> --Ted
>

Ah yeah, I seem to remember hearing sometime that Ubuntu provides a 
search engine for ubuntu packages by default..

--
Daniel

From ervandew at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 08:11:40 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:11:40 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
	from search terms
In-Reply-To: <49491F46.2020803@driftaway.org>
References: 
	
	<644fc65e0812170717u216a4b3bh90eccfdc04918f38@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081217152957.GB6950@b2j>
	
	<49491F46.2020803@driftaway.org>
Message-ID: 

>> A similar annoying behavior I've found, is that if I happen to have a
>> directory named 'test' in my home dir, and then try
>>
>> :open test
>>
>> then vimperator opens 'file:///home/me/test'. This is another case
>> where it seems that :open is being a little too clever.
>
> I can't reproduce this, it just opens test in google for me.

I just tested against the latest git head and it opened the local dir
instead of google.  I even moved my .vimperatorrc out of the way to
ensure that it wasn't one of my settings causing the issue.

$ firefox -v
Mozilla Firefox 3.0.4, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2008 mozilla.org
$ uname -...
Linux 2.6.25-gentoo-r8 GNU/Linux

--
eric

From cbill.lam at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 08:19:24 2008
From: cbill.lam at gmail.com (bill lam)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:19:24 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish
	value	from search terms
In-Reply-To: <49492359.4070407@tedpavlic.com>
References: 
	
	<644fc65e0812170717u216a4b3bh90eccfdc04918f38@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081217152957.GB6950@b2j> <49492359.4070407@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081217161923.GC6950@b2j>

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>> If I type :o ubuntu ldap, it opens the ldap package of ubuntu.  I guess
>> :o is far too smart, I would prefer a dumb :o and another :gg
>
> That opens google for me.
>
> Do you have an ubuntu keyword that you don't know about. 

That's interesting. It only open this page,

 http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=ldap

The result what I expected can only be typed as :o ldap ubuntu.

What is the result you got?

-- 
regards,
====================================================
GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24
gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3
??098 ??  ???????
    ?????  ?????  ?????  ?????
    ?????  ?????  ?????  ?????

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec 17 08:40:06 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:40:06 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
 from search terms
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
	<644fc65e0812170717u216a4b3bh90eccfdc04918f38@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081217152957.GB6950@b2j>
	
	<49491F46.2020803@driftaway.org>
	
Message-ID: <49492B66.1080102@tedpavlic.com>

> I just tested against the latest git head and it opened the local dir
> instead of google.  I even moved my .vimperatorrc out of the way to
> ensure that it wasn't one of my settings causing the issue.
>
> $ firefox -v
> Mozilla Firefox 3.0.4, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2008 mozilla.org
> $ uname -...
> Linux 2.6.25-gentoo-r8 GNU/Linux

Hm. On both my Mac and my Windows machine, ":open test" opens Google 
(even when I create a ~/test and/or a VIMPERATOR_HOME/test directory or 
file).

I don't see a reason why the regexp would cause that behavior.

Could it be auto completion that's doing it? What are your...

	:set wop?
	:set cpt?

? I have wop= and cpt=lf.

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 08:40:37 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:40:37 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
	from search terms
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
	<644fc65e0812170717u216a4b3bh90eccfdc04918f38@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081217152957.GB6950@b2j>
	
	<49491F46.2020803@driftaway.org>
	
Message-ID: <644fc65e0812170840s76158f28ka425d8c8b9f8362e@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/18/08, Eric Van Dewoestine  wrote:



> I just tested against the latest git head and it opened the local dir
>  instead of google.  I even moved my .vimperatorrc out of the way to
>  ensure that it wasn't one of my settings causing the issue.
>
>  $ firefox -v
>  Mozilla Firefox 3.0.4, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2008 mozilla.org
>  $ uname -...
>  Linux 2.6.25-gentoo-r8 GNU/Linux

Yes, it seems to be specific to FF 3.0 which means it's broken in 3.1.

Doug

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec 17 08:42:44 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:42:44 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
 from search terms
In-Reply-To: <20081217161923.GC6950@b2j>
References: 
	
	<644fc65e0812170717u216a4b3bh90eccfdc04918f38@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081217152957.GB6950@b2j> <49492359.4070407@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081217161923.GC6950@b2j>
Message-ID: <49492C04.3010900@tedpavlic.com>

Case 1) My result (google ldap) is a defsearch:

http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+ldap&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Case 2) My result (ldap google) is a defsearch:

http://www.google.com/search?q=ldap+ubuntu&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a


	Try this:

	:set cpt=s

and then do

	:open u

See if an "unbutu" search keyword is suggested.

	--Ted


On 12/17/08 11:19 AM, bill lam wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>>> If I type :o ubuntu ldap, it opens the ldap package of ubuntu.  I guess
>>> :o is far too smart, I would prefer a dumb :o and another :gg
>> That opens google for me.
>>
>> Do you have an ubuntu keyword that you don't know about.
>
> That's interesting. It only open this page,
>
>   http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=ldap
>
> The result what I expected can only be typed as :o ldap ubuntu.
>
> What is the result you got?
>

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From dpb at driftaway.org  Wed Dec 17 08:43:53 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:43:53 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
 from search terms
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0812170840s76158f28ka425d8c8b9f8362e@mail.gmail.com>
References: 		<644fc65e0812170717u216a4b3bh90eccfdc04918f38@mail.gmail.com>	<20081217152957.GB6950@b2j>		<49491F46.2020803@driftaway.org>	
	<644fc65e0812170840s76158f28ka425d8c8b9f8362e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49492C49.6070406@driftaway.org>

On 17/12/08 18:40, Doug Kearns wrote:
> On 12/18/08, Eric Van Dewoestine  wrote:
>
> 
>
>> I just tested against the latest git head and it opened the local dir
>>   instead of google.  I even moved my .vimperatorrc out of the way to
>>   ensure that it wasn't one of my settings causing the issue.
>>
>>   $ firefox -v
>>   Mozilla Firefox 3.0.4, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2008 mozilla.org
>>   $ uname -...
>>   Linux 2.6.25-gentoo-r8 GNU/Linux
>
> Yes, it seems to be specific to FF 3.0 which means it's broken in 3.1.

Broken? So it's *meant* to be unintuitive and break the defsearch? That 
sucks. :( IMO it really should open the google result.

--
Daniel

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec 17 08:44:47 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:44:47 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
 from search terms
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0812170840s76158f28ka425d8c8b9f8362e@mail.gmail.com>
References: 
	
	<644fc65e0812170717u216a4b3bh90eccfdc04918f38@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081217152957.GB6950@b2j>
	
	<49491F46.2020803@driftaway.org>
	
	<644fc65e0812170840s76158f28ka425d8c8b9f8362e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49492C7F.7060907@tedpavlic.com>

>> I just tested against the latest git head and it opened the local dir
>>   instead of google.  I even moved my .vimperatorrc out of the way to
>>   ensure that it wasn't one of my settings causing the issue.
>>
>>   $ firefox -v
>>   Mozilla Firefox 3.0.4, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2008 mozilla.org
>>   $ uname -...
>>   Linux 2.6.25-gentoo-r8 GNU/Linux
>
> Yes, it seems to be specific to FF 3.0 which means it's broken in 3.1.

In his case, he's running FF3.0.4 and is having the problem.

I'm running FF3.0.4 (on both my Mac and Windows machine) and am /not/ 
having the problem.

Are you sure it's related to FF3.1?

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From cshei at cs.indiana.edu  Wed Dec 17 08:52:27 2008
From: cshei at cs.indiana.edu (Chun-Yu Shei)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:52:27 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator on Mac OS passes ^E and ^P though sometimes
Message-ID: <49492E4B.4010603@cs.indiana.edu>

On Mac OS with both Vimperator 1.2 and 2 alpha, if I'm on a Wikipedia 
page and press ^E or ^P, they get passed though to the page, resulting 
in either an edit or printer-friendly page.  I haven't seen this issue 
on Windows or Linux, so it seems to be a Mac bug.  Has anyone else 
experienced this?

Chun-Yu

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec 17 09:01:18 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:01:18 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator on Mac OS passes ^E and ^P though
	sometimes
In-Reply-To: <49492E4B.4010603@cs.indiana.edu>
References: <49492E4B.4010603@cs.indiana.edu>
Message-ID: <4949305E.2090507@tedpavlic.com>

I notice that ^I gets passed through to Wikipedia when I'm editing a 
page (that is, I often (not not always) cannot use the external editor 
when editing a Wikipedia page).

I did not notice that the problem didn't occur on Windows, but I never 
tested it.

So I can confirm it happens on Mac, but I have no idea whether or not it 
does not happen on other platforms.

On 12/17/08 11:52 AM, Chun-Yu Shei wrote:
> On Mac OS with both Vimperator 1.2 and 2 alpha, if I'm on a Wikipedia
> page and press ^E or ^P, they get passed though to the page, resulting
> in either an edit or printer-friendly page.  I haven't seen this issue
> on Windows or Linux, so it seems to be a Mac bug.  Has anyone else
> experienced this?

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ervandew at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 09:08:24 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:08:24 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
	from search terms
In-Reply-To: <49492B66.1080102@tedpavlic.com>
References: 
	
	<644fc65e0812170717u216a4b3bh90eccfdc04918f38@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081217152957.GB6950@b2j>
	
	<49491F46.2020803@driftaway.org>
	
	<49492B66.1080102@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: 

> Could it be auto completion that's doing it? What are your...

I'm not running completion, just
:open test

>        :set wop?
>        :set cpt?
>
> ? I have wop= and cpt=lf.

Setting those values to match yours has no effect... ':open test' still
opens the dir listing in firefox.

--
eric

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 09:25:27 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 04:25:27 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
	from search terms
In-Reply-To: <49492C49.6070406@driftaway.org>
References: 
	
	<644fc65e0812170717u216a4b3bh90eccfdc04918f38@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081217152957.GB6950@b2j>
	
	<49491F46.2020803@driftaway.org>
	
	<644fc65e0812170840s76158f28ka425d8c8b9f8362e@mail.gmail.com>
	<49492C49.6070406@driftaway.org>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0812170925t40959ed5x3880316595e5e8fb@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/18/08, Daniel Bainton  wrote:
> On 17/12/08 18:40, Doug Kearns wrote:



> > Yes, it seems to be specific to FF 3.0 which means it's broken in 3.1.
> >
>
>  Broken? So it's *meant* to be unintuitive and break the defsearch? That
> sucks. :( IMO it really should open the google result.

Sure, but Martin likes it very much so... ;)

Doug

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 09:34:48 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:34:48 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish
	value	from search terms
In-Reply-To: <49492C49.6070406@driftaway.org>
References: 
	
	<644fc65e0812170717u216a4b3bh90eccfdc04918f38@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081217152957.GB6950@b2j>
	
	<49491F46.2020803@driftaway.org>
	
	<644fc65e0812170840s76158f28ka425d8c8b9f8362e@mail.gmail.com>
	<49492C49.6070406@driftaway.org>
Message-ID: <20081217173448.GA26697@jg>

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 06:43:53PM +0200, Daniel Bainton wrote:
> Broken? So it's *meant* to be unintuitive and break the defsearch? That  
> sucks. :( IMO it really should open the google result.

defsearch is unintuitive and... "sucks". How would you know when 
someone wanted a file and when a search? I can maybe understand 
the ambiguity between files and domains. Donno. I think I'll 
write my own :open at some point and require ./ for files in 
pwd. I don't use defsearch.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Question with boldness even the existence of God; because if there be
one, He must approve the homage of Reason rather than that of
blindfolded Fear.
	--Thomas Jefferson


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec 17 10:42:47 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:42:47 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator on Mac OS passes ^E and ^P though
	sometimes
In-Reply-To: <49492E4B.4010603@cs.indiana.edu>
References: <49492E4B.4010603@cs.indiana.edu>
Message-ID: <49494827.3050301@tedpavlic.com>

On Windows, if I go into my Wikipedia account and turn on the "wikiEd" 
gadget (in "my preferences"), then ^I opens the bookmarks sidebar rather 
than the external editor.

(to my surprise, ^I in the "Search" box in the bookmarks sidebar DID 
open the external editor! (but that's a good feature))

--Ted

On 12/17/08 11:52 AM, Chun-Yu Shei wrote:
> On Mac OS with both Vimperator 1.2 and 2 alpha, if I'm on a Wikipedia
> page and press ^E or ^P, they get passed though to the page, resulting
> in either an edit or printer-friendly page.  I haven't seen this issue
> on Windows or Linux, so it seems to be a Mac bug.  Has anyone else
> experienced this?

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec 17 10:49:10 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:49:10 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
 from search terms
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <494949A6.1060906@tedpavlic.com>

As Kris describes on Trac, you can try:


:com! -nargs * O :js liberator.open([])
:map o :O


and "o" will never defsearch again.

See the Trac thread at:

http://vimperator.org/ticket/85#comment


--Ted

On 12/17/08 12:27 AM, Eric Van Dewoestine wrote:
> Prior to one of the change sets applied one or two weeks ago :open,
> etc. would interpret the following as an attempt to open a url for the
> host 'foo'
>
> :open foo/
>
> but now it executes a search instead.  I currently do web development
> for a living, so the previous behavior saved me a lot of typing when
> opening my local or other local network box urls.
>
> Attached is a patch to change the regex pattern used, allowing all of
> the following to be recognized as a url and not a search term:
>
> foo/
> foo:8080
> foo.com/bar
> foo.com:8080
> foo?foo=bar
>
> It would be great to have this or some other similar regex used to
> save me and others the extra typing of 'http://foo' or
> 'foo.my.local.domain', when just 'foo/' could suffice.
>
> --
> eric
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ervandew at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 11:07:40 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:07:40 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
	from search terms
In-Reply-To: <494949A6.1060906@tedpavlic.com>
References: 
	<494949A6.1060906@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: 

> As Kris describes on Trac, you can try:
>
>
> :com! -nargs * O :js liberator.open([])
> :map o :O
>
>
> and "o" will never defsearch again.
>
> See the Trac thread at:
>
> http://vimperator.org/ticket/85#comment

The thing is, I liked how :open worked in vimperator 1.2 and in 2.0dev
prior to a week or so ago.  The only issue for me is the most recent
behavior of ':open foo/'.  Other than that one case (and the much more
rare case of it opening dir listing), :open and :tabopen work great
for me, so disabling defsearch would be a step in the wrong direction
for my usage.

--
eric

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec 17 11:17:29 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:17:29 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
 from search terms
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
	<644fc65e0812170717u216a4b3bh90eccfdc04918f38@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081217152957.GB6950@b2j>
	
	<49491F46.2020803@driftaway.org>
	
	<49492B66.1080102@tedpavlic.com>
	
Message-ID: <49495049.1010307@tedpavlic.com>

> Setting those values to match yours has no effect... ':open test' still
> opens the dir listing in firefox.

I asked a colleague to try this on his Linux machine, and ":open test" 
opened a folder.

Perhaps this is a Linux-specific problem. I know nsIPath.normalize() has 
notes on MDC that imply it operates differently on MacOS and Windows. 
Maybe there's something similar going on here.


-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec 17 12:26:40 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:26:40 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] ~ expands to VIMPERATOR_HOME on Windows
Message-ID: <49496080.8070001@tedpavlic.com>

Is that right?

That is, I do

	:open ~/

and I see my VIMPERATOR_HOME rather than %HOMEPATH%.

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 12:31:10 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:31:10 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] ~ expands to VIMPERATOR_HOME on Windows
In-Reply-To: <49496080.8070001@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49496080.8070001@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081217203110.GA21568@jg>

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 03:26:40PM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> Is that right?
>
> That is, I do
>
> 	:open ~/
>
> and I see my VIMPERATOR_HOME rather than %HOMEPATH%.

See the comments in the previous discussion on the issue (in 
which, I believe, you were involved).

-- 
Kris Maglione

Are you quite sure that all those bells and whistles, all those
wonderful facilities of your so called powerful programming languages,
belong to the solution set rather than the problem set?
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec 17 12:31:56 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:31:56 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
 from search terms
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
	<644fc65e0812170717u216a4b3bh90eccfdc04918f38@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081217152957.GB6950@b2j>
	
	<49491F46.2020803@driftaway.org>
	
	<49492B66.1080102@tedpavlic.com>
	
Message-ID: <494961BC.8040202@tedpavlic.com>

> Setting those values to match yours has no effect... ':open test' still
> opens the dir listing in firefox.

I use the "Delicious Bookmarks" FF extension. When I turn it off...

* In Windows, ":open test" opens a folder, as you describe
* In MacOS, ":open test" still does a defsearch

So there's something special about MacOS that makes it act the way you 
want. Evidently having "Delicious Bookmarks" installed "fixes" the problem.

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec 17 12:36:01 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:36:01 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
 from search terms
In-Reply-To: <494961BC.8040202@tedpavlic.com>
References: 
	
	<644fc65e0812170717u216a4b3bh90eccfdc04918f38@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081217152957.GB6950@b2j>
	
	<49491F46.2020803@driftaway.org>
	
	<49492B66.1080102@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<494961BC.8040202@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <494962B1.1020302@tedpavlic.com>

> I use the "Delicious Bookmarks" FF extension. When I turn it off...

I just re-enabled the DB extension, and now my Windows acts like you say 
-- ":open file" opens a file.

I just did a

	:pwd

and it turns out that the PWD for MacOS is the /Application directory 
(and not my home directory). So ~/test was getting ignored. If I create 
a "test" directory in the Mac Application directory, then ":open test" 
works as you describe.

Similarly, on my Windows machine, if I...

	:cd c:\

and then ":open test", I get a defsearch again.

--Ted
-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec 17 12:37:42 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:37:42 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] ~ expands to VIMPERATOR_HOME on Windows
In-Reply-To: <20081217203110.GA21568@jg>
References: <49496080.8070001@tedpavlic.com> <20081217203110.GA21568@jg>
Message-ID: <49496316.1030706@tedpavlic.com>

> See the comments in the previous discussion on the issue (in
> which, I believe, you were involved).

I was under the impression that it was fixed/changed.

So that's still on the TODO list. Sorry for the spam then. I should have 
checked the git log.

--Ted



-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec 17 12:51:04 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:51:04 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] With wop=, second  doesn't start a new completion
Message-ID: <49496638.8030002@tedpavlic.com>

I just noticed today that if I do...

:set wop=

:open something

and then backspace through the "something", replace it with "else" and 
then hit "" again, I don't get a new autocompletion list.

Is this the desired behavior?

To me, it seems like after I modify the seed text, "" should kick 
off a new completion list. 

--ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec 17 13:17:37 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:17:37 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :!echo "hi" on windows
Message-ID: <49496C71.50300@tedpavlic.com>

On Windows,

	:!echo "hi"

returns:

	\"hi\"

and it appears like the escape characters are added by readFile (and 
possibly by icstream.readString).



-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec 17 13:28:47 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:28:47 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :cd\
Message-ID: <49496F0F.6040000@tedpavlic.com>

On Windows,

	:cd\

fails complaining:

	E344: Can't find directory "\\" in cdpath E472: Command failed

Those double slashes make me think that use of the quote() function 
might need to be reconsidered for the Windows case.


-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec 17 13:30:06 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:30:06 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :open \ in Windows
Message-ID: <49496F5E.4070609@tedpavlic.com>

On Windows,

	:open \

should probably trigger local file completion, right?

	:open C:\

does.

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Dec 17 13:32:35 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:32:35 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] :open \ in Windows
In-Reply-To: <49496F5E.4070609@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49496F5E.4070609@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49496FF3.1050702@vimperator.org>

On 2008-12-17 22:30, Ted Pavlic wrote:

> On Windows,
> 
> 	:open \
> 
> should probably trigger local file completion, right?
> 
> 	:open C:\


No, if windows is so stupid to use C:\ instead of a more sane / (or \),
people should use C:\ to complete.

--
Martin

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Dec 17 13:34:03 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:34:03 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] :cd\
In-Reply-To: <49496F0F.6040000@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49496F0F.6040000@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <4949704B.2060408@vimperator.org>

On 2008-12-17 22:28, Ted Pavlic wrote:

> On Windows,
> 
> 	:cd\
> 
> fails complaining:
> 
> 	E344: Can't find directory "\\" in cdpath E472: Command failed
> 
> Those double slashes make me think that use of the quote() function 
> might need to be reconsidered for the Windows case.

Might be, but :cd \ for windows should still fail. Use :cd C:\ (or 
cd C:\\ maybe).

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Dec 17 13:35:33 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:35:33 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] :!echo "hi" on windows
In-Reply-To: <49496C71.50300@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49496C71.50300@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <494970A5.60706@vimperator.org>

On 2008-12-17 22:17, Ted Pavlic wrote:

> :!echo "hi"


Probably a bug, can you investigate more? I think you are the only main
dev which has access to a windows box. (Not sure if Doug still has).

Works here flawlessly on Linux.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec 17 13:37:00 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:37:00 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :cd\
In-Reply-To: <4949704B.2060408@vimperator.org>
References: <49496F0F.6040000@tedpavlic.com> <4949704B.2060408@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <494970FC.9010402@tedpavlic.com>

> Might be, but :cd \ for windows should still fail. Use :cd C:\ (or
> cd C:\\ maybe).

	:cd C:\

works. It returns "C:". FYI,

	:cd C:\\

also returns "C:". You don't get a "C:\" return until you do

	:cd C:\\\

Handling the presentation of these strings better in Windows is out of 
the question? Are you punishing the Windows user for the sins of the 
Windows developer?

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Dec 17 13:38:40 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:38:40 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] With wop=,
	second  doesn't start a new completion
In-Reply-To: <49496638.8030002@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49496638.8030002@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49497160.9030505@vimperator.org>

On 2008-12-17 21:51, Ted Pavlic wrote:

> I just noticed today that if I do...
> 
> :set wop=
> 
> :open something
> 
> and then backspace through the "something", replace it with "else" and 
> then hit "" again, I don't get a new autocompletion list.
> 
> Is this the desired behavior?
> 
> To me, it seems like after I modify the seed text, "" should kick 
> off a new completion list. 
> 
> --ted
> 


Yeah, that's a bug, i noticed it too, just didn't have time to investigate.

Also :open vim highlights the first entry in "Smart completions" AND
the first one in "Path" for me (which also an entry with vim in it).

All obersvations with wop=, with wop=auto, it seems to work.

Nominating as a blocker for vimp 2.0 as wop= is the default (for now at least).

--
Martin

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec 17 13:39:56 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:39:56 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :!echo "hi" on windows
In-Reply-To: <494970A5.60706@vimperator.org>
References: <49496C71.50300@tedpavlic.com> <494970A5.60706@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <494971AC.5070304@tedpavlic.com>

> Probably a bug, can you investigate more? I think you are the only main
> dev which has access to a windows box. (Not sure if Doug still has).

I'm embarrassed to say I debugged by "alert'ing" at different points in 
the logic. The command did not have quotes escaped. However, the output 
from readFile did. It's as if ...

a) the stdoutFile had escaped quotes in it
b) the readFile routine escaped what it read from the stdoutFile

I'll try to learn how to do some more elegant debugging to pinpoint 
what's happening.


> Works here flawlessly on Linux.

And on a Mac.

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Dec 17 13:39:46 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:39:46 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] ~ expands to VIMPERATOR_HOME on Windows
In-Reply-To: <49496316.1030706@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49496080.8070001@tedpavlic.com> <20081217203110.GA21568@jg>
	<49496316.1030706@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <494971A2.2000804@vimperator.org>

On 2008-12-17 21:37, Ted Pavlic wrote:

>> See the comments in the previous discussion on the issue (in
>> which, I believe, you were involved).
> 
> I was under the impression that it was fixed/changed.

You can fix it (properly), we all agreed, ~ should expand to %HOME%


From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Dec 17 13:55:02 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:55:02 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
 from search terms
In-Reply-To: 
References: 	<494949A6.1060906@tedpavlic.com>
	
Message-ID: <49497536.2050702@vimperator.org>

Sorry to not answer individual posts, but rather here as one big answer:

1.) Defsearch is one of my most often used features, and i really think it's
a nice interface for searching, just like the awesomebar: One key (o) to do it
all. AND it can be easily be disabled by :set defsearch= if people don't like
it.

2.) foo/ should certainly be opened as a url (or directory), not being searched.
But this is a regression and we should find a good solution (maybe the patch, I'll
have to look more carefully if it breaks other things).

3.) Opening local files might really be a problem, which i understand. And it's a
thing which we can talk about changing (in constrast to the defsearch "problem").

Two suggestions from me were:
a) Only open local files if the 'complete' option contains f. This might not be
the most logical way to do things, but it could work quite well. or:
b) Only open absolute paths, or paths beginning with ./ ../ ~ $HOME etc. (Note i said
~ and not ~/, i think :open ~ just makes sense to open the cwd, and not google it).
While this might be a nice solution, it's probably hard to find out, what should
be treated as a filename, and what not.

4.) :open ~/ is broken, was this always the case? If we go for the 3b) route,
that needs to be fixed first.

I hope to have addressed the most important questions of this thread...

--
Martin

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Dec 17 13:57:04 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:57:04 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] :cd\
In-Reply-To: <494970FC.9010402@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49496F0F.6040000@tedpavlic.com> <4949704B.2060408@vimperator.org>
	<494970FC.9010402@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <494975B0.2000503@vimperator.org>

On 2008-12-17 22:37, Ted Pavlic wrote:

> Handling the presentation of these strings better in Windows is out of 
> the question? Are you punishing the Windows user for the sins of the 
> Windows developer?


You'll have to ask Doug. I am not writing any Window specific code. (although
i do have to use vimperator partly on windows as well, so thanks Doug for
doing all those windows only fixes).

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Dec 17 13:58:12 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:58:12 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator on Mac OS passes ^E and ^P though
	sometimes
In-Reply-To: <49492E4B.4010603@cs.indiana.edu>
References: <49492E4B.4010603@cs.indiana.edu>
Message-ID: <494975F4.5090608@vimperator.org>

On 2008-12-17 17:52, Chun-Yu Shei wrote:

> On Mac OS with both Vimperator 1.2 and 2 alpha, if I'm on a Wikipedia 
> page and press ^E or ^P, they get passed though to the page, resulting 
> in either an edit or printer-friendly page.  I haven't seen this issue 
> on Windows or Linux, so it seems to be a Mac bug.  Has anyone else 
> experienced this?


It's a mac-only problem, I even think there is a bug report about this
somewhere. If not, it was at least mentioned on the ML.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec 17 14:03:30 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:03:30 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator on Mac OS passes ^E and ^P though
	sometimes
In-Reply-To: <494975F4.5090608@vimperator.org>
References: <49492E4B.4010603@cs.indiana.edu> <494975F4.5090608@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <49497732.1050707@tedpavlic.com>

> It's a mac-only problem, I even think there is a bug report about this
> somewhere. If not, it was at least mentioned on the ML.

As described in another leaf of this thread, even on Windows, ^I is not 
captured by Vimperator provided that wikiEd is turned on in Wikipedia. 
In fact, ^I brings up the bookmarks sidebar (not even a wikiEd feature).

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 16:41:40 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:41:40 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish
	value	from search terms
In-Reply-To: <49497536.2050702@vimperator.org>
References: 
	<494949A6.1060906@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<49497536.2050702@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <20081218004140.GA19470@jg>

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:55:02PM +0100, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>1.) Defsearch is one of my most often used features, and i really think it's
>a nice interface for searching, just like the awesomebar: One key (o) to do it
>all. AND it can be easily be disabled by :set defsearch= if people don't like
>it.

I'm not suggesting that we remove it, just that people disable 
it. I don't think it's worth the trouble.

>Two suggestions from me were:
>a) Only open local files if the 'complete' option contains f. This might not be
>the most logical way to do things, but it could work quite well. or:

I don't like this, mainly because cpt=f is currently slow (I 
don't know if it's always been slow, but I don't think so. The 
bottleneck seems to be in io.readDirectory).

>b) Only open absolute paths, or paths beginning with ./ ../ ~ $HOME etc. (Note i said
>~ and not ~/, i think :open ~ just makes sense to open the cwd, and not google it).
>While this might be a nice solution, it's probably hard to find out, what should
>be treated as a filename, and what not.

That's my preference, and it's what my stringToURLArray does, 
but I don't care much, since it's what my stringToURLArray does.

>4.) :open ~/ is broken, was this always the case? If we go for the 3b) route,
>that needs to be fixed first.

Yeah, needs to be fixed, obviously.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 16:42:38 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:42:38 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :cd\
In-Reply-To: <494975B0.2000503@vimperator.org>
References: <49496F0F.6040000@tedpavlic.com> <4949704B.2060408@vimperator.org>
	<494970FC.9010402@tedpavlic.com> <494975B0.2000503@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <20081218004238.GB19470@jg>

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:57:04PM +0100, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>You'll have to ask Doug. I am not writing any Window specific code. (although
>i do have to use vimperator partly on windows as well, so thanks Doug for
>doing all those windows only fixes).

Firefox runs great under wine (not so much for Thunderbird, 
though).

-- 
Kris Maglione

Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 17:01:51 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:01:51 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish
	value	from search terms
In-Reply-To: <49497536.2050702@vimperator.org>
References: 
	<494949A6.1060906@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<49497536.2050702@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <20081218010151.GA30348@jg>

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:55:02PM +0100, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>4.) :open ~/ is broken, was this always the case? If we go for the 3b) route,
>that needs to be fixed first.

What am I missing? This works for me, even under wine.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age 18.
	--Albert Einstein


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Wed Dec 17 17:08:29 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:08:29 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] regex pattern used to distinguish url-ish value
 from search terms
In-Reply-To: <20081218010151.GA30348@jg>
References: 
	<494949A6.1060906@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<49497536.2050702@vimperator.org> <20081218010151.GA30348@jg>
Message-ID: <4949A28D.1050409@tedpavlic.com>

Works for me as well... However, as discussed,

*) It shows VIMP_HOME rather than HOME

*) When it finds completions in two lists at the same time, sometimes 
the first item in /both/ lists gets highlighted.

On 12/17/08 8:01 PM, Kris Maglione wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:55:02PM +0100, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>> 4.) :open ~/  is broken, was this always the case? If we go for the 3b) route,
>> that needs to be fixed first.
>
> What am I missing? This works for me, even under wine.
>

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From chris at mretc.net  Wed Dec 17 17:44:20 2008
From: chris at mretc.net (Chris Burkhardt)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:44:20 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 1
In-Reply-To: 
References: 		<20081216152417.GB32498@jg>
	
Message-ID: 

Emmanuel Benisty wrote:

>>> - smart completion list populating is dead slow, is it because of any
>>> extra feature i didn't notice yet?
>> For what command? :open? Try :set cpt-=f. I haven't figured out why that's
>> so slow, but it seems to be the problem.
> 
> yes for :open, cpt-=f didn't solve it.

I've found that :set cpt-=b makes :[tab]open usable again with 2.0a.

Under 1.2 these settings work great for me:

cpt=sflb
wop=auto

But under 2.0a (and my most recent git pull:
9124a028909409cea0fcd28c6e0feae2999f0f91) having the 'b' in cpt spikes my CPU
and I have to kill firefox.

Kris, let me know if you need me to test anything further to help diagnose.

Thanks,
- Chris Burkhardt

$ iceweasel -v
Mozilla Iceweasel 3.0.3, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2008 mozilla.org

$ uname -a
Linux tablet 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Wed Aug 20 12:56:41 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux


From dougkearns at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 17:56:28 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:56:28 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] :open \ in Windows
In-Reply-To: <49496FF3.1050702@vimperator.org>
References: <49496F5E.4070609@tedpavlic.com> <49496FF3.1050702@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0812171756o29714c1dpd2d993bb8d485155@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/18/08, Martin Stubenschrott  wrote:
> On 2008-12-17 22:30, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>
>  > On Windows,
>  >
>  >       :open \
>  >
>  > should probably trigger local file completion, right?
>  >
>  >       :open C:\
>
>
>
> No, if windows is so stupid to use C:\ instead of a more sane / (or \),
>  people should use C:\ to complete.

It does support \

Doug

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 18:24:09 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:24:09 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :open \ in Windows
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0812171756o29714c1dpd2d993bb8d485155@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49496F5E.4070609@tedpavlic.com> <49496FF3.1050702@vimperator.org>
	<644fc65e0812171756o29714c1dpd2d993bb8d485155@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081218022409.GA27237@jg>

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:56:28PM +1100, Doug Kearns wrote:
>> No, if windows is so stupid to use C:\ instead of a more sane / (or \),
>>  people should use C:\ to complete.
>
>It does support \

We really should prefer / to \ on windows.

-- 
Kris Maglione

The best way to predict the future is to invent it.
	--Alan Kay


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 18:41:18 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:41:18 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 1
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
	<20081216152417.GB32498@jg>
	
	
Message-ID: <20081218020012.GA14536@jg>

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 06:44:20PM -0700, Chris Burkhardt wrote:
>I've found that :set cpt-=b makes :[tab]open usable again with 2.0a.
>
>Under 1.2 these settings work great for me:
>
>cpt=sflb
>wop=auto

'l' should obviate the need for 'b'. I can't see any reason 'b' 
would be slow (even if you have thousands of bookmarks), except 
maybe the first time when it might have to cache the Places 
bookmarks.

-- 
Kris Maglione

The only thing more frightening than a programmer with a screwdriver
or a hardware engineer with a program is a user with a pair of wire
cutters and the root password.
	--Elizabeth Zwicky


From cbill.lam at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 18:56:05 2008
From: cbill.lam at gmail.com (bill lam)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:56:05 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 1
In-Reply-To: <20081216080816.GC6911@b2j>
References: 
	<20081216075930.GB6911@b2j> <20081216080816.GC6911@b2j>
Message-ID: <20081218025605.GB7190@b2j>

On Tue, 16 Dec 2008, bill lam wrote:
> > :map  :open http://192.168.1.1     " this works in 2.0
> > :map bm :sidebar Bookmarks              " this does not
> > :map bv ;T                                  " this does not
> 
> Also all quick bookmarks created using M seem lost.

Thanks, I only have a few quick bookmarks so that I've already
re-create them. 

For the 2 map that doesn't work, it seems that "b" can no longer be
the first character on the lhs of map, is this intended?

-- 
regards,
====================================================
GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24
gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3
??136 ???  ?????????
    ?????  ?????  ?????  ?????
    ?????  ?????  ?????  ?????

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 19:17:34 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:17:34 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 1
In-Reply-To: <20081218025605.GB7190@b2j>
References: 
	<20081216075930.GB6911@b2j> <20081216080816.GC6911@b2j>
	<20081218025605.GB7190@b2j>
Message-ID: <20081218031734.GA11995@jg>

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:56:05AM +0800, bill lam wrote:
>For the 2 map that doesn't work, it seems that "b" can no longer be
>the first character on the lhs of map, is this intended?

No, not intended, and fixed. Thanks.

-- 
Kris Maglione

UNIX was not designed to stop its users from doing stupid things, as
that would also stop them from doing clever things.
	--Doug Gwyn


From cbill.lam at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 19:22:34 2008
From: cbill.lam at gmail.com (bill lam)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:22:34 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 1
In-Reply-To: <20081218031734.GA11995@jg>
References: 
	<20081216075930.GB6911@b2j> <20081216080816.GC6911@b2j>
	<20081218025605.GB7190@b2j> <20081218031734.GA11995@jg>
Message-ID: <20081218032234.GA11918@b2j>

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Kris Maglione wrote:
> No, not intended, and fixed. Thanks.

Thanks for quick fix.

-- 
regards,
====================================================
GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24
gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3
??173 ??  ?????
    ???????  ???????  ???????  ???????
    ???????  ???????  ???????  ???????

From chris at mretc.net  Wed Dec 17 21:30:41 2008
From: chris at mretc.net (Chris Burkhardt)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:30:41 -0700
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 1
In-Reply-To: <20081218020012.GA14536@jg>
References: 		<20081216152417.GB32498@jg>		
	<20081218020012.GA14536@jg>
Message-ID: 

Kris Maglione wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 06:44:20PM -0700, Chris Burkhardt wrote:
>> I've found that :set cpt-=b makes :[tab]open usable again with 2.0a.
>>
>> Under 1.2 these settings work great for me:
>>
>> cpt=sflb
>> wop=auto
> 
> 'l' should obviate the need for 'b'.

Oh yeah. Not sure why I had them both set in the first place.

> I can't see any reason 'b' would be
> slow (even if you have thousands of bookmarks), except maybe the first
> time when it might have to cache the Places bookmarks.

I never let it keep going after Firefox offered to stop an unresponsive script.
Maybe if I had, it would have been fast on subsequent commands.

Thanks. Vimperator 2 is looking good!

- Chris


From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Dec 18 00:33:06 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:33:06 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] :open \ in Windows
In-Reply-To: <20081218022409.GA27237@jg>
References: <49496F5E.4070609@tedpavlic.com>
	<49496FF3.1050702@vimperator.org>	<644fc65e0812171756o29714c1dpd2d993bb8d485155@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081218022409.GA27237@jg>
Message-ID: <494A0AC2.1060406@vimperator.org>

On 2008-12-18 03:24, Kris Maglione wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:56:28PM +1100, Doug Kearns wrote:
>>> No, if windows is so stupid to use C:\ instead of a more sane / (or \),
>>>  people should use C:\ to complete.
>>
>>It does support \

Ah didn't know. With "It" you mean Windows explorer, cmd.exe, and the file
open dialog, or are just certain apps supporting it?

> We really should prefer / to \ on windows.

No we should allow /, but not prefer it. I am usually just too lazy to do it,
but I think good software should adapt to the platform it is running on.
E.g. I found the FF3 work of (not only) visually integrating Firefox into
the running operating system a very important step.

--
Martin

From Thomas.Svensen at microsoft.com  Thu Dec 18 01:25:41 2008
From: Thomas.Svensen at microsoft.com (Thomas Svensen)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:25:41 +0000
Subject: [Vimperator] Hintmatching broken
Message-ID: <3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC163FEB599B@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>

Hi,

Two out of three hintmatching algorithms seems to be broken in the alpha version.

   - contains (default) is working
   - firstletters and wordstartswith is not working (typing letters doesn't trigger matching)

Reverting back to the nightly build of 2008-12-10 makes it start working again, while it's broken in the 2008-12-15 build.
Restarting Firefox takes ages, so I didn't have the time to find the exact date when it stopped working.

I use "wordstartswith" as my default setting, so this was a show-stopper for me.

This is on Windows Vista.

And, as always, thank you for an impressive product. I use it ALL the time :-)


Thomas S.

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Dec 18 07:33:51 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:33:51 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator's notability on Wikipedia has been
	challenged
Message-ID: <494A6D5F.1010206@tedpavlic.com>

FYI, a {{notability}} template has been added to Vimperator's Wikipedia 
page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vimperator

*I* think Vimp is notable. If anyone can expand the page to make it 
obviously more notable, that would help prevent its deletion.

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Dec 18 08:09:26 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:09:26 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator's notability on Wikipedia has been
	challenged
In-Reply-To: <494A6D5F.1010206@tedpavlic.com>
References: <494A6D5F.1010206@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: 

Yeah, i just noticed today, we should at least add the features there and also
more links (at least in the discussion page) about where Vimperator is already
reviewed.

Thanks Ted (and others) for taking care of the wikipedia page.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Ted Pavlic  wrote:
> FYI, a {{notability}} template has been added to Vimperator's Wikipedia
> page:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vimperator
>
> *I* think Vimp is notable. If anyone can expand the page to make it
> obviously more notable, that would help prevent its deletion.
>
> --
> Ted Pavlic 
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Dec 18 09:07:51 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:07:51 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :help defsearch versus :help 'defsearch'
Message-ID: <494A8367.70707@tedpavlic.com>

I just noticed that

	:help defsearch

returns nothing, but

	:help 'defsearch'

takes me where I want to go. Once upon a time, both worked. Is the new 
behavior desired?

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From cshei at cs.indiana.edu  Thu Dec 18 10:07:48 2008
From: cshei at cs.indiana.edu (Chun-Yu Shei)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:07:48 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 1 and Cmd+Tab broken on Mac
Message-ID: <494A9174.9060800@cs.indiana.edu>

A slightly more major bug report: after Command+Tabbing to Firefox, 
Vimperator 2.0 alpha 1 doesn't grab the keyboard, so no commands work. 
A click in the Firefox window is required to get things working.  I just 
downgraded to Vimperator 1.2, and the problem went away.  I'm on Firefox 
3.1 beta 2, and haven't gotten a chance to try this on any other 
platform (although I'm assuming from the lack of reports that it works 
fine in Linux/Windows :).

Chun-Yu

P.S.  It sounds like Mac Vimperator users are in the minority... let me 
know if there's anything I can do to help track bugs down.

From ervandew at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 10:38:33 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:38:33 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator mode changing interfering with firebug css
	editing.
Message-ID: 

The current (as of yesterday) vimperator head interferes with adding
of new css properties inside of firebug's Style editor.

Steps to reproduce:
1. open google.com in the browser (the issue is independent of which
   site, but using google as an example)
2. open firebug, and focus the 'HTML' tab
3. click the 'body' element
4. in the 'Style' tab in the right pane, right click the body style
   and select "New Property..."
5. type a valid css property... like 'color:'

Upon typing the ':' firebug persists the property name and attempts to
focus the property value input field, however vimperator's mode
handling interferes with this and results in the property
disappearing.  This makes it impossible to add new properties via this
interface.

The code that is causing the problem is located in
liberator/common/content/modes.js:handleModeChange

The issue is cause by this bit of code:

// Kludge to prevent the input field losing focus on MS/Mac
setTimeout(function () {
    let focus = document.commandDispatcher.focusedElement;
    let urlbar = document.getElementById("urlbar");
    if (!urlbar || focus != urlbar.inputField)
        liberator.focusContent(false);
}, 0);

Commenting out the call to liberator.focusContent resolves the issue
in firebug.  Given that I'm on a linux machine and the comment
indicates that this is attempting to solve a ms/mac issue, I'm not
sure what the best solution would be to solve the ms/mac problem while
not interfering with firebug.  Perhaps an additional condition can be
used to detect the firebug case, but this problem may not be limited
to just firebug.

Thoughts, suggestions?

--
eric

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Thu Dec 18 10:45:18 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:45:18 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 1 and Cmd+Tab broken on Mac
In-Reply-To: <494A9174.9060800@cs.indiana.edu>
References: <494A9174.9060800@cs.indiana.edu>
Message-ID: <494A9A3E.6090100@tedpavlic.com>

> A slightly more major bug report: after Command+Tabbing to Firefox,
> Vimperator 2.0 alpha 1 doesn't grab the keyboard, so no commands work.

It works for me on HEAD.

AS LONG AS I'm not inside a text box inside Vimperator when I switch 
away from Vimperator, when I switch back all Vimp commands work. In the 
case where I was in a text box, when I switch back I'm still in the text 
box (so I can just escape out of it).

One slight difference... I'm using OS X 10.4 on a Powerbook G4, and I'm 
using "Witch" (and Pull Tab)  rather than Mac OS's default switcher. 
Witch lets me switch from window to window (rather than from app to 
app). That **might** be the problem here because witch definitely 
focuses on a /window/ whereas OS X's switcher focuses an app.

--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 10:51:10 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:51:10 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :open \ in Windows
In-Reply-To: <494A0AC2.1060406@vimperator.org>
References: <49496F5E.4070609@tedpavlic.com> <49496FF3.1050702@vimperator.org>
	<644fc65e0812171756o29714c1dpd2d993bb8d485155@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081218022409.GA27237@jg> <494A0AC2.1060406@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <20081218185110.GA20410@jg>

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 09:33:06AM +0100, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>> We really should prefer / to \ on windows.
>
>No we should allow /, but not prefer it. I am usually just too lazy to do it,
>but I think good software should adapt to the platform it is running on.
>E.g. I found the FF3 work of (not only) visually integrating Firefox into
>the running operating system a very important step.

Usually I'd agree, but not in this case, for a few reasons. 
First, we use \ extensively for escaping. Windows has strange 
quoting rules, which is to say, everything's taken literally 
unless a program asks for field splitting and globbing. Second, 
this is a browser, which uses / as a path separator everywhere 
(including file:// URIs), except for paths. Third, even 
Microsoft, in PowerShell, has finally decided that / is a good 
thing.

-- 
Kris Maglione

It is a farce to call any being virtuous whose virtues do not result
from the exercise of its own reason.
	--Mary Wollstonecraft


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 11:06:49 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:06:49 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator mode changing interfering with
	firebug	css editing.
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20081218190649.GB20410@jg>

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:38:33AM -0800, Eric Van Dewoestine wrote:
>Commenting out the call to liberator.focusContent resolves the issue
>in firebug.  Given that I'm on a linux machine and the comment
>indicates that this is attempting to solve a ms/mac issue, I'm not
>sure what the best solution would be to solve the ms/mac problem while
>not interfering with firebug.  Perhaps an additional condition can be
>used to detect the firebug case, but this problem may not be limited
>to just firebug.

The setTimeout and check for the urlbar being focused are a 
kludge to fix a MS/Mac issue. The focusContent call isn't.

-- 
Kris Maglione

A program that produces incorrect results twice as fast is infinitely
slower.
	--John Osterhout


From cshei at cs.indiana.edu  Thu Dec 18 11:12:59 2008
From: cshei at cs.indiana.edu (Chun-Yu Shei)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:12:59 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 1 and Cmd+Tab broken on Mac
In-Reply-To: <494A9A3E.6090100@tedpavlic.com>
References: <494A9174.9060800@cs.indiana.edu> <494A9A3E.6090100@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <494AA0BB.5030605@cs.indiana.edu>

Hmm, I just tested in a fresh Firefox profile, and it's working 
correctly.  I also upgraded my main profile to 2.0 alpha 1 again, and it 
too is also working... strange.  I'll keep an eye on it and see if it 
starts acting up again.  Thanks for the feedback, Ted.

Chun-Yu

On 12/18/08 1:45 PM, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>> A slightly more major bug report: after Command+Tabbing to Firefox,
>> Vimperator 2.0 alpha 1 doesn't grab the keyboard, so no commands work.
>
> It works for me on HEAD.
>
> AS LONG AS I'm not inside a text box inside Vimperator when I switch
> away from Vimperator, when I switch back all Vimp commands work. In the
> case where I was in a text box, when I switch back I'm still in the text
> box (so I can just escape out of it).
>
> One slight difference... I'm using OS X 10.4 on a Powerbook G4, and I'm
> using "Witch" (and Pull Tab) rather than Mac OS's default switcher.
> Witch lets me switch from window to window (rather than from app to
> app). That **might** be the problem here because witch definitely
> focuses on a /window/ whereas OS X's switcher focuses an app.
>
> --Ted
>

From ervandew at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 11:20:03 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:20:03 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator mode changing interfering with firebug
	css editing.
In-Reply-To: <20081218190649.GB20410@jg>
References: 
	<20081218190649.GB20410@jg>
Message-ID: 

> The setTimeout and check for the urlbar being focused are a kludge to fix a
> MS/Mac issue. The focusContent call isn't.

With the focusContent call commented out I haven't noticed any
difference in normal vimperator behavior.  Under what conditions is
that focusContent call necessary?

--
eric

From cshei at cs.indiana.edu  Thu Dec 18 11:38:37 2008
From: cshei at cs.indiana.edu (Chun-Yu Shei)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:38:37 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 1 and Cmd+Tab broken on Mac
In-Reply-To: <494AA0BB.5030605@cs.indiana.edu>
References: <494A9174.9060800@cs.indiana.edu> <494A9A3E.6090100@tedpavlic.com>
	<494AA0BB.5030605@cs.indiana.edu>
Message-ID: <494AA6BD.6050506@cs.indiana.edu>

On 12/18/08 2:12 PM, Chun-Yu Shei wrote:
> Hmm, I just tested in a fresh Firefox profile, and it's working
> correctly.  I also upgraded my main profile to 2.0 alpha 1 again, and it
> too is also working... strange. I'll keep an eye on it and see if it
> starts acting up again. Thanks for the feedback, Ted.

Aha!  Seems to be a Firefox/Java issue.  For example, if you open 
http://hi-games.net/typing-test/ , switch apps, and come back, all the 
input goes into the Java app (even if you're on a different tab). 
Happens in Firefox 3 and 3.1 beta 2.  Sorry about the false alarm!

Chun-Yu

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 11:42:15 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:42:15 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator mode changing interfering with
	firebug	css editing.
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<20081218190649.GB20410@jg>
	
Message-ID: <20081218194215.GA15420@jg>

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:20:03AM -0800, Eric Van Dewoestine wrote:
>With the focusContent call commented out I haven't noticed any
>difference in normal vimperator behavior.  Under what conditions is
>that focusContent call necessary?

Well, the idea is that that line is what unfocuses an input 
field when you press escape, but it's redundant because onEscape 
calls focusContent, anyway. One of the calls should go, and the 
one that you commented out is the one that should stay.

-- 
Kris Maglione

I do not believe in the immortality of the individual, and I consider
ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority
behind it.
	--Albert Einstein


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 11:46:38 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:46:38 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Hintmatching broken
In-Reply-To: <3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC163FEB599B@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
References: <3A863F7983E4864399C8C9B6D66F7AFC163FEB599B@EA-EXMSG-C330.europe.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <20081218194638.GA13273@jg>

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 09:25:41AM +0000, Thomas Svensen wrote:
>Reverting back to the nightly build of 2008-12-10 makes it start working again, while it's broken in the 2008-12-15 build.
>Restarting Firefox takes ages, so I didn't have the time to find the exact date when it stopped working.

You don't have to restart, just

   :se! nglayout.debug.disable_xul_cache=true

and then :tabde when you want to try an update. That combined 
with 'git bisect' should make the process pretty easy. That 
said, it's not necessary, I'll take care of it.

Thanks,
-- 
Kris Maglione

It is a farce to call any being virtuous whose virtues do not result
from the exercise of its own reason.
	--Mary Wollstonecraft


From ervandew at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 11:55:48 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:55:48 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator mode changing interfering with firebug
	css editing.
In-Reply-To: <20081218194215.GA15420@jg>
References: 
	<20081218190649.GB20410@jg>
	
	<20081218194215.GA15420@jg>
Message-ID: 

> Well, the idea is that that line is what unfocuses an input field when you
> press escape, but it's redundant because onEscape calls focusContent,
> anyway. One of the calls should go, and the one that you commented out is
> the one that should stay.

Ok, but given that one seems to work fine and the other interferes
with a widely used plugin, what is the reasoning behind keeping the
one that is causing issues?  If that later needs to stay, then so be
it, but it should at least be documented as to why.  That way if it
causes issues with other plugins, sites, etc. then at least the
intention is clear, and another work around can be explored.

--
eric

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 12:53:44 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:53:44 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator mode changing interfering with
	firebug	css editing.
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<20081218190649.GB20410@jg>
	
	<20081218194215.GA15420@jg>
	
Message-ID: <20081218205337.GB19528@jg.Belkin>

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:55:48AM -0800, Eric Van Dewoestine wrote:
>Ok, but given that one seems to work fine and the other interferes
>with a widely used plugin, what is the reasoning behind keeping the
>one that is causing issues?  If that later needs to stay, then so be
>it, but it should at least be documented as to why.  That way if it
>causes issues with other plugins, sites, etc. then at least the
>intention is clear, and another work around can be explored.

Because  is not the only to exit INSERT/COMMAND LINE mode. 
For instance,  and  both exit the latter, in which 
case, the focus needs to be removed from the command line.

-- 
Kris Maglione

The programmer, like the poet, works only slightly removed from pure
thought-stuff.  He builds his castles in the air, from air, creating
by exertion of the imagination.  Few media of creation are so
flexible, so easy to polish and rework, so readily capable of
realizing grand conceptual structures.
	--Frederick P. Brooks, Jr.


From zhang.zhengquan at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 13:03:06 2008
From: zhang.zhengquan at gmail.com (zhang zhengquan)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:03:06 -0600
Subject: [Vimperator] quick hint question
Message-ID: <128a87f00812181303v2c466fb7r949622a1fb64e7f3@mail.gmail.com>

Dear vimperator users:
After I type 'f' to enter quickhint mode, I will type a number of the
link to go to the link. I used to use shift+number to open a new tab,
but now it seems to have problems to open in a new tab, rather, the
linked page will load in the current tab..

I was wondering if the shift+number to open the link in another tab
feature has been obsolete.

Anyone help to clarify and is it possible to open the link in a new
adjacent tab?


Thanks!

From fb at intoxicatedmind.net  Thu Dec 18 13:17:39 2008
From: fb at intoxicatedmind.net (Frank Blendinger)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 22:17:39 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] quick hint question
In-Reply-To: <128a87f00812181303v2c466fb7r949622a1fb64e7f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <128a87f00812181303v2c466fb7r949622a1fb64e7f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081218211738.GM2205@intoxicatedmind.net>

Hi.

zhang zhengquan  enlightened the world by
writing these words of wisdom:
> Dear vimperator users:
> After I type 'f' to enter quickhint mode, I will type a number of the
> link to go to the link. I used to use shift+number to open a new tab,
> but now it seems to have problems to open in a new tab, rather, the
> linked page will load in the current tab..
> 
> I was wondering if the shift+number to open the link in another tab
> feature has been obsolete.
> 
> Anyone help to clarify and is it possible to open the link in a new
> adjacent tab?

I actually don't remember when that Shift+number thing worked, but `F'
is the current way to load links into new tabs from hints.


Greetings,
Frank

-- 
Frank Blendinger | fb(at)intoxicatedmind.net | GPG: 0x0BF2FE7A
Fingerprint: BB64 F2B8 DFD8 BF90 0F2E 892B 72CF 7A41 0BF2 FE7A
  "Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand."
                                               (Homer Simpson)
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From ervandew at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 13:18:20 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:18:20 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator mode changing interfering with firebug
	css editing.
In-Reply-To: <20081218205337.GB19528@jg.Belkin>
References: 
	<20081218190649.GB20410@jg>
	
	<20081218194215.GA15420@jg>
	
	<20081218205337.GB19528@jg.Belkin>
Message-ID: 

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Kris Maglione  wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:55:48AM -0800, Eric Van Dewoestine wrote:
>>
>> Ok, but given that one seems to work fine and the other interferes
>> with a widely used plugin, what is the reasoning behind keeping the
>> one that is causing issues?  If that later needs to stay, then so be
>> it, but it should at least be documented as to why.  That way if it
>> causes issues with other plugins, sites, etc. then at least the
>> intention is clear, and another work around can be explored.
>
> Because  is not the only to exit INSERT/COMMAND LINE mode. For
> instance,  and  both exit the latter, in which case, the focus
> needs to be removed from the command line.

That makes sense.

Instead of commenting out the focusContent call, I tested executing
that block synchronously instead of deferring it:

  // Kludge to prevent the input field losing focus on MS/Mac
  //setTimeout(function () {
      let focus = document.commandDispatcher.focusedElement;
      let urlbar = document.getElementById("urlbar");
      if (!urlbar || focus != urlbar.inputField)
          liberator.focusContent(false);
  //}, 0);

Which ends up solving the firebug issue as well.  So my next question
would be, is it possible to conditionally determine under which
scenarios this block must be deferred, and in all other cases execute
it synchronously?

--
eric

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 13:59:38 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:59:38 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator mode changing interfering with
	firebug	css editing.
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<20081218190649.GB20410@jg>
	
	<20081218194215.GA15420@jg>
	
	<20081218205337.GB19528@jg.Belkin>
	
Message-ID: <20081218215938.GA26777@jg.Belkin>

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 01:18:20PM -0800, Eric Van Dewoestine wrote:
>Instead of commenting out the focusContent call, I tested executing
>that block synchronously instead of deferring it:
>
>  // Kludge to prevent the input field losing focus on MS/Mac
>  //setTimeout(function () {
>      let focus = document.commandDispatcher.focusedElement;
>      let urlbar = document.getElementById("urlbar");
>      if (!urlbar || focus != urlbar.inputField)
>          liberator.focusContent(false);
>  //}, 0);
>
>Which ends up solving the firebug issue as well.  So my next question
>would be, is it possible to conditionally determine under which
>scenarios this block must be deferred, and in all other cases execute
>it synchronously?

Yes, but it'd be better to not require the kludge in the first 
place. It'd probably suffice just to check whether we're in 
INSERT or COMMAND mode before calling focusContent, though.

-- 
Kris Maglione

If you don't think carefully, you might think that programming is just
typing statements in a programming language.
	--Ward Cunningham


From dougkearns at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 18:07:31 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:07:31 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] :help defsearch versus :help 'defsearch'
In-Reply-To: <494A8367.70707@tedpavlic.com>
References: <494A8367.70707@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0812181807y13bc9508q2c933c7e4d24b1f8@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/08, Ted Pavlic  wrote:
> I just noticed that
>
>         :help defsearch
>
>  returns nothing, but
>
>         :help 'defsearch'
>
>  takes me where I want to go. Once upon a time, both worked. Is the new
> behavior desired?

No.

Doug

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 18:29:34 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:29:34 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :help defsearch versus :help 'defsearch'
In-Reply-To: <644fc65e0812181807y13bc9508q2c933c7e4d24b1f8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <494A8367.70707@tedpavlic.com>
	<644fc65e0812181807y13bc9508q2c933c7e4d24b1f8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081219022934.GA11723@jg.Belkin>

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 01:07:31PM +1100, Doug Kearns wrote:
>>Is the new behavior desired?
>
>No.

Don't worry, it's been fixed for some hours now.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability.
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 18:30:01 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:30:01 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator mode changing interfering with
	firebug	css editing.
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<20081218190649.GB20410@jg>
	
	<20081218194215.GA15420@jg>
	
	<20081218205337.GB19528@jg.Belkin>
	
Message-ID: <20081219023001.GB11723@jg.Belkin>

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 01:18:20PM -0800, Eric Van Dewoestine wrote:
>Which ends up solving the firebug issue as well.  So my next question
>would be, is it possible to conditionally determine under which
>scenarios this block must be deferred, and in all other cases execute
>it synchronously?

It's fixed.

-- 
Kris Maglione

The object-oriented model makes it easy to build up programs by
accretion.  What this often means, in practice, is that it provides a
structured way to write spaghetti code.
	--Paul Graham


From zxycscj at 126.com  Thu Dec 18 18:50:41 2008
From: zxycscj at 126.com (Zhang)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:50:41 +0800 (CST)
Subject: [Vimperator] [SPAM] [vimperator].how.to.use tabopen
	open.tab.in.background
Message-ID: <19957687.224671229655041934.JavaMail.coremail@bj126app99.126.com>

 
 
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From zxycscj at 126.com  Thu Dec 18 23:27:49 2008
From: zxycscj at 126.com (Zhang)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:27:49 +0800 (CST)
Subject: [Vimperator] command "opentab",
	how to make it open tab in background
Message-ID: <29741948.367801229671669025.JavaMail.coremail@bj126app44.126.com>

 
using command ":tabopen url". 
it will bring you to the new open tab. 
I want to make it open in background.
how to configure it.

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From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Thu Dec 18 23:56:16 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:56:16 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] command "opentab",
	how to make it open tab in background
In-Reply-To: <29741948.367801229671669025.JavaMail.coremail@bj126app44.126.com>
References: <29741948.367801229671669025.JavaMail.coremail@bj126app44.126.com>
Message-ID: 

:help :tabopen

It's all documented nicely there. One just needs to read it carefully.

2008/12/19 Zhang :
>
> using command ":tabopen url".
> it will bring you to the new open tab.
> I want to make it open in background.
> how to configure it.
>
> thanks
>
>
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From ervandew at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 07:26:45 2008
From: ervandew at gmail.com (Eric Van Dewoestine)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:26:45 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator mode changing interfering with firebug
	css editing.
In-Reply-To: <20081219023001.GB11723@jg.Belkin>
References: 
	<20081218190649.GB20410@jg>
	
	<20081218194215.GA15420@jg>
	
	<20081218205337.GB19528@jg.Belkin>
	
	<20081219023001.GB11723@jg.Belkin>
Message-ID: 

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 6:30 PM, Kris Maglione  wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 01:18:20PM -0800, Eric Van Dewoestine wrote:
>>
>> Which ends up solving the firebug issue as well.  So my next question
>> would be, is it possible to conditionally determine under which
>> scenarios this block must be deferred, and in all other cases execute
>> it synchronously?
>
> It's fixed.

Works great!

thanks Kris.

--
eric

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec 19 08:13:00 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:13:00 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Position of numbers on Mac tabs
Message-ID: <494BC80C.8060407@tedpavlic.com>

I asked Kris about this, and it was suggested that I ask the list.

See the screenshot at

http://www.tedpavlic.com/examples/vimperator/mac_tabs/Mac_Tab_Numbering.png

It shows how go+=nN looks on a Mac. Some things to notice:

*) The go+=N numbers on the images are lined up with the tab titles

*) The go+=n numbers next to the images are slightly slower than the tab 
titles

Should the go+=n numbers be placed on the same line as the tab text? I 
don't recall how it looks on Windows.

Additionally, I now notice that the go+=N numbers are not visible on the 
default "about:blank" image. Should that be fixed?

Thoughts?
--Ted
	
-- 
Ted Pavlic 


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec 19 08:58:12 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:58:12 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] "Extra Completion" only shows up after scrolling
Message-ID: <494BD2A4.20701@tedpavlic.com>

When I do...

	:set defsearch=

My list of "Search Keywords" completion possibilities spans several 
pages, and Vimp lets me scroll through them with no problem.

Vimp also provides the "Extra Completions" list which should show me the 
default defsearch and the current value. However, all I see is the 
"Extra Completions" header until I scroll to the bottom of the "Search 
Keywords" list. That is, I can see "Extra Completions" and a horizontal 
rule on every "Search Keywords" page, but the "Extra Completions" list 
doesn't get populated until the last "Search Keywords" page.

	Is this the desired behavior? That is, it *could* operate so that 
"Extra Completions" is populated on every "Search Keywords" page. Or 
would that be a waste of scroll space?

	--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec 19 09:03:34 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:03:34 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] defsearch background completion (and force quitting
	Firefox)
Message-ID: <494BD3E6.6020200@tedpavlic.com>

There's something funny about defsearch completion. This is a problem 
that might be unnoticeable on a computer faster than mine.


Good case) If I start Firefox and then do:

:set defsearch=asdfasdf

I get an invalid argument error. I can then do

:set defsearch=

after abotu a second, I get the completion list.


Bad case) If I start Firefox and then do:

:set defsearch=

Nothing happens. I can still type...

:set defsearch=ethethehtet

But then I don't get any "invalid argument" error. In fact, the only way 
I can quit Firefox is by force quitting it.


I think this has something to do with background/foreground completion. 
It's as if Vimperator gets stuck in the background waiting for something 
that never finishes.

Any insights?
--Ted

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 09:18:06 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:18:06 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] "Extra Completion" only shows up after scrolling
In-Reply-To: <494BD2A4.20701@tedpavlic.com>
References: <494BD2A4.20701@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081219171806.GA23311@jg.Belkin>

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:58:12AM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> 	Is this the desired behavior? That is, it *could* operate so that  
> "Extra Completions" is populated on every "Search Keywords" page. Or  
> would that be a waste of scroll space?

It's the desired behavior. You see exacly 20 completions at a 
time. There's no point in seeing completions for every header 
when you still have to tab through 400 other completions before 
you get to them.

-- 
Kris Maglione

If you want to go somewhere, goto is the best way to get there.
	--Ken Thompson


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Fri Dec 19 09:22:23 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:22:23 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] "Extra Completion" only shows up after scrolling
In-Reply-To: <20081219171806.GA23311@jg.Belkin>
References: <494BD2A4.20701@tedpavlic.com> <20081219171806.GA23311@jg.Belkin>
Message-ID: <494BD84F.6060107@tedpavlic.com>

> It's the desired behavior. You see exacly 20 completions at a
> time. There's no point in seeing completions for every header
> when you still have to tab through 400 other completions before
> you get to them.

Well, I can shift+tab to get them without going through those 400 other 
completions.

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From zhang.zhengquan at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 09:46:57 2008
From: zhang.zhengquan at gmail.com (zhang zhengquan)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:46:57 -0600
Subject: [Vimperator] quick hint question
In-Reply-To: <20081218211738.GM2205@intoxicatedmind.net>
References: <128a87f00812181303v2c466fb7r949622a1fb64e7f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081218211738.GM2205@intoxicatedmind.net>
Message-ID: <128a87f00812190946l57cb5a91y599f705a4d3c8ba3@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Frank, As long as it works, it is fine.

2008/12/18 Frank Blendinger :
> Hi.
>
> zhang zhengquan  enlightened the world by
> writing these words of wisdom:
>> Dear vimperator users:
>> After I type 'f' to enter quickhint mode, I will type a number of the
>> link to go to the link. I used to use shift+number to open a new tab,
>> but now it seems to have problems to open in a new tab, rather, the
>> linked page will load in the current tab..
>>
>> I was wondering if the shift+number to open the link in another tab
>> feature has been obsolete.
>>
>> Anyone help to clarify and is it possible to open the link in a new
>> adjacent tab?
>
> I actually don't remember when that Shift+number thing worked, but `F'
> is the current way to load links into new tabs from hints.
>
>
> Greetings,
> Frank
>
> --
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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 10:28:14 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:28:14 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] "Extra Completion" only shows up after scrolling
In-Reply-To: <494BD84F.6060107@tedpavlic.com>
References: <494BD2A4.20701@tedpavlic.com> <20081219171806.GA23311@jg.Belkin>
	<494BD84F.6060107@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081219182814.GA7833@jg.Belkin>

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:22:23PM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> Well, I can shift+tab to get them without going through those 400 other  
> completions.

And when you do, they're visible.

-- 
Kris Maglione

There are two ways of constructing a software design.  One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies.  And the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies.
	--C.A.R. Hoare


From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 11:57:04 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:57:04 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator 2.0 alpha issues
Message-ID: 

hi group,

I am trying vimperator 2.0 alpha on debian linux.  I wanted to report
a startup message. In my old .vimperatorrc I had this line:

:set editor=/usr/bin/xterm -bg lavender -fg DarkBlue -fn
"-misc-fixed-medium-*-normal-*-14-*-100-*-c-*-iso8859-1" -e
/usr/bin/vim

This line results in the message
no such option: undefined
on startup.

Another change in behaviour is that I can't change to another tab
anymore by clicking with the tab with the mouse.

Any others with this problems?

regards, Ruud

From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 12:18:04 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:18:04 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] 2.0 alpha: some more configuration issues
Message-ID: 

hi group,
in an earlier mail, I asked for a way to change the d command to dd.

Kris suggested that I should include

:noremap dd d

in .vimperatorrc

Indeed this works, but actually it works to for d, including
d. I'm afraid this can't be the intention...

In my previous mail I mentioned that my :set editor line resulted in
an error message. So I commented it out with a #. Guessing this would
be the good syntax to do that.
Since the result was no startup message I thought it was a good guess,
but the result is that the whole (or most of the) configuration file
is skipped.

regards, Ruud

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 12:31:46 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:31:46 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator 2.0 alpha issues
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20081219203146.GA18201@jg.Belkin>

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 08:57:04PM +0100, ruud grosmann wrote:
>I am trying vimperator 2.0 alpha on debian linux.  I wanted to report
>a startup message. In my old .vimperatorrc I had this line:

See NEWS, the second line marked 'IMPORTANT:'.

-- 
Kris Maglione

I do not believe in the immortality of the individual, and I consider
ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority
behind it.
	--Albert Einstein


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 12:35:18 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:35:18 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] 2.0 alpha: some more configuration issues
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20081219203518.GB18201@jg.Belkin>

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 09:18:04PM +0100, ruud grosmann wrote:
>Indeed this works, but actually it works to for d, including
>d. I'm afraid this can't be the intention...

Indeed, that *is* the intention. The problem is that the 
 should be replayed, but it's not.

>In my previous mail I mentioned that my :set editor line resulted in
>an error message. So I commented it out with a #. Guessing this would
>be the good syntax to do that.

No, unfortunately, our syntax comes from vim, and vim thinks 
that " is a good syntax for comments, and also for quoted 
strings. Go figure. Install vimperator.vim in ~/.vim/syntax and 
you'll be able to see what's a comment and what's not. The rest 
of the file gets skipped because # looks like a syntax error. 
You should actually see an error message when the line is read.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability.
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra

From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 12:44:45 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:44:45 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] 2.0 alpha: some more configuration issues
In-Reply-To: <20081219203518.GB18201@jg.Belkin>
References: 
	<20081219203518.GB18201@jg.Belkin>
Message-ID: 

On 19/12/2008, Kris Maglione  wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 09:18:04PM +0100, ruud grosmann wrote:
>>Indeed this works, but actually it works to for d, including
>>d. I'm afraid this can't be the intention...
>
> Indeed, that *is* the intention. The problem is that the
>  should be replayed, but it's not.
>

OK.


> of the file gets skipped because # looks like a syntax error.
> You should actually see an error message when the line is read.
>

Yes. I mentioned this because I thought that the config was silently
skipped. But indeed, you are right. I overlooked it.

thanks, Ruud

From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 12:56:33 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:56:33 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator 2.0 alpha issues
In-Reply-To: <20081219203146.GA18201@jg.Belkin>
References: 
	<20081219203146.GA18201@jg.Belkin>
Message-ID: 

On 19/12/2008, Kris Maglione  wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 08:57:04PM +0100, ruud grosmann wrote:
>>I am trying vimperator 2.0 alpha on debian linux.  I wanted to report
>>a startup message. In my old .vimperatorrc I had this line:
>
> See NEWS, the second line marked 'IMPORTANT:'.

OK, this helps for the :editor setting, but not being able to click a
tab to focus it, is that someting too that is mentioned in NEWS? I'm
afraid I can't find that....

regards, Ruud

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 13:49:36 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:49:36 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] 2.0 alpha: some more configuration issues
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<20081219203518.GB18201@jg.Belkin>
	
Message-ID: <20081219214936.GA27745@jg.Belkin>

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 09:44:45PM +0100, ruud grosmann wrote:
>> Indeed, that *is* the intention. The problem is that the
>>  should be replayed, but it's not.
>>
>
>OK.

I may have misread you, though. I think what you want is:

:noremap d 
:noremap dd d

You might be better off writing a JS completion function with 
the ARGUMENT flag.

-- 
Kris Maglione

I had a running compiler and nobody would touch it.  They told me
computers could only do arithmetic.
	--Rear Admiral Grace Hopper


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 13:51:24 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:51:24 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator 2.0 alpha issues
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<20081219203146.GA18201@jg.Belkin>
	
Message-ID: <20081219215124.GB27745@jg.Belkin>

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 09:56:33PM +0100, ruud grosmann wrote:
>OK, this helps for the :editor setting, but not being able to click a
>tab to focus it, is that someting too that is mentioned in NEWS? I'm
>afraid I can't find that....

No, you probably have an incompatible extension installed, but 
check the JS console (:js!, and make sure that it's set to show 
errors).

-- 
Kris Maglione

There are two ways of constructing a software design.  One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies.  And the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies.
	--C.A.R. Hoare


From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Sat Dec 20 02:11:10 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:11:10 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] 2.0 alpha: some more configuration issues
In-Reply-To: <20081219214936.GA27745@jg.Belkin>
References: 	<20081219203518.GB18201@jg.Belkin>	
	<20081219214936.GA27745@jg.Belkin>
Message-ID: <494CC4BE.7060209@vimperator.org>

On 2008-12-19 22:49, Kris Maglione wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 09:44:45PM +0100, ruud grosmann wrote:
>>> Indeed, that *is* the intention. The problem is that the
>>>  should be replayed, but it's not.
>>>
>>
>>OK.
> 
> I may have misread you, though. I think what you want is:
> 
> :noremap d 
> :noremap dd d
> 
> You might be better off writing a JS completion function with 
> the ARGUMENT flag.

Well, I think :noremap dd d  alone should just work, it's what a user
would expect. And d or dx should just beep. But as Kris said,
it's currently not working, but we should fix it (and be it after 2.0 as
it's not so often needed probably).

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Sat Dec 20 02:13:26 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:13:26 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] "Extra Completion" only shows up after scrolling
In-Reply-To: <20081219182814.GA7833@jg.Belkin>
References: <494BD2A4.20701@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081219171806.GA23311@jg.Belkin>	<494BD84F.6060107@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081219182814.GA7833@jg.Belkin>
Message-ID: <494CC546.6020202@vimperator.org>

On 2008-12-19 19:28, Kris Maglione wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:22:23PM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>> Well, I can shift+tab to get them without going through those 400 other  
>> completions.
> 
> And when you do, they're visible.
> 


Right, and Kris is absolutely correct about the implementation,
it just works like it should - giving more room for those items
which are most probably being completed. That said, I think
:set defsearch=d usually works better than defsearch=
in terms of usability (=less keystrokes).

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Sat Dec 20 02:14:25 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:14:25 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] quick hint question
In-Reply-To: <20081218211738.GM2205@intoxicatedmind.net>
References: <128a87f00812181303v2c466fb7r949622a1fb64e7f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081218211738.GM2205@intoxicatedmind.net>
Message-ID: <494CC581.9060709@vimperator.org>

On 2008-12-18 22:17, Frank Blendinger wrote:

> I actually don't remember when that Shift+number thing worked, but `F'
> is the current way to load links into new tabs from hints.


Shift-number never worked, as we didn't have numbers.
But we supported fAB to open hint ab in a new tab in the
old hint system. But F is just fine for that.

From cbill.lam at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 05:58:07 2008
From: cbill.lam at gmail.com (bill lam)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:58:07 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] external browser
Message-ID: <20081220135807.GB7119@b2j>

I want to open the current page or current link using external browser
such as elinks or opera.  Are there any scripts or how to get the job
done?

Thanks,

-- 
regards,
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gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3
??155 ??  ??
    ?????  ?????  ?????  ?????
    ?????  ?????  ?????  ?????

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Sat Dec 20 06:14:29 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:14:29 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] external browser
In-Reply-To: <20081220135807.GB7119@b2j>
References: <20081220135807.GB7119@b2j>
Message-ID: <494CFDC5.5030006@vimperator.org>

On 2008-12-20 14:58, bill lam wrote:

> I want to open the current page or current link using external browser
> such as elinks or opera.  Are there any scripts or how to get the job
> done?


:map x y:!opera 

Then use x, but we really should support something like :!gvim  or something,
just don't know which syntax would be best and most generic.

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 07:17:42 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:17:42 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] external browser
In-Reply-To: <494CFDC5.5030006@vimperator.org>
References: <20081220135807.GB7119@b2j> <494CFDC5.5030006@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <20081220151742.GA31241@jg.Belkin>

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 03:14:29PM +0100, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>Then use x, but we really should support something like :!gvim  or something,
>just don't know which syntax would be best and most generic.

I was hoping to implement %, %:r, etc, I'm just not sure exactly 
where it should be interpolated.

-- 
Kris Maglione

It is best to read the weather forecast before praying for rain.
	--Mark Twain

From cbill.lam at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 07:19:56 2008
From: cbill.lam at gmail.com (bill lam)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:19:56 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] external browser
In-Reply-To: <494CFDC5.5030006@vimperator.org>
References: <20081220135807.GB7119@b2j> <494CFDC5.5030006@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <20081220151956.GC7119@b2j>

On Sat, 20 Dec 2008, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
> :map x y:!opera 
> 
> Then use x, but we really should support something like :!gvim  or something,
> just don't know which syntax would be best and most generic.

Thank for help, I testes and this will be better
:map  x1 y:!opera  &
:map  x2 y:!xterm -e elinks  &

& is needed because !cmd alone will not fork, don't know if & will be
applicable to window but that does not matter me now.

Will document.url in js be an alternative to y:  ?

-- 
regards,
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gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3
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From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Sat Dec 20 07:39:52 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:39:52 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] external browser
In-Reply-To: <20081220151956.GC7119@b2j>
References: <20081220135807.GB7119@b2j> <494CFDC5.5030006@vimperator.org>
	<20081220151956.GC7119@b2j>
Message-ID: <494D11C8.7090808@vimperator.org>

On 2008-12-20 16:19, bill lam wrote:

> Will document.url in js be an alternative to y:  ?

You can always just resort to

:map  x :execute ":echo \"" + buffer.URL + "\""

if you need javascript support.

@Kris: I would suggest, we add a liberator.expand() method
for % support. Then we could just do:

:echo expand("%") like in vim, or
:execute ":open " + expand("%:h") like tricks, and users
wouldn't have to think about escaping % when doing
simple :!bla % like things.

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 07:57:31 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:57:31 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] external browser
In-Reply-To: <494D11C8.7090808@vimperator.org>
References: <20081220135807.GB7119@b2j> <494CFDC5.5030006@vimperator.org>
	<20081220151956.GC7119@b2j> <494D11C8.7090808@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <20081220155731.GA27805@jg.Belkin>

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 04:39:52PM +0100, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>@Kris: I would suggest, we add a liberator.expand() method
>for % support. Then we could just do:
>
>:echo expand("%") like in vim, or
>:execute ":open " + expand("%:h") like tricks, and users
>wouldn't have to think about escaping % when doing
>simple :!bla % like things.

Well, that's definately where I'd start, but I think we really 
probably should support it in :!. I guess we couldn't really 
support it in :o, though...

-- 
Kris Maglione

As we said in the preface to the first edition, C "wears well as one's
experience with it grows." With a decade more experience, we still
feel that way.
	--Brian Kernighan and Dennis Ritchie


From zhang.zhengquan at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 10:19:10 2008
From: zhang.zhengquan at gmail.com (zhang zhengquan)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:19:10 -0600
Subject: [Vimperator] quick hint question
In-Reply-To: <494CC581.9060709@vimperator.org>
References: <128a87f00812181303v2c466fb7r949622a1fb64e7f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081218211738.GM2205@intoxicatedmind.net>
	<494CC581.9060709@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <128a87f00812201019r4ac3999dn138b560a36253bb8@mail.gmail.com>

You are right martin, it is shift+AB... not shift+number, thanks!

2008/12/20 Martin Stubenschrott :
> On 2008-12-18 22:17, Frank Blendinger wrote:
>
>> I actually don't remember when that Shift+number thing worked, but `F'
>> is the current way to load links into new tabs from hints.
>
>
> Shift-number never worked, as we didn't have numbers.
> But we supported fAB to open hint ab in a new tab in the
> old hint system. But F is just fine for that.
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From cbill.lam at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 19:31:06 2008
From: cbill.lam at gmail.com (bill lam)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:31:06 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] external browser
In-Reply-To: <494CFDC5.5030006@vimperator.org>
References: <20081220135807.GB7119@b2j> <494CFDC5.5030006@vimperator.org>
Message-ID: <20081221033106.GA7101@b2j>

On Sat, 20 Dec 2008, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
> Then use x, but we really should support something like :!gvim  or something,
> just don't know which syntax would be best and most generic.

Will it be possible to pass uri inside the current page to !cmd,
similar to numbered links like f or ;F etc, but uri passed to
external browsers instead of ff itself.

-- 
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??127 ???  ?????
    ?????  ?????  ?????  ?????
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From cbill.lam at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 19:38:01 2008
From: cbill.lam at gmail.com (bill lam)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:38:01 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] urlview
Message-ID: <20081221033801.GB7101@b2j>

In email clients, plain text like "http://www.example.com" can be
interpreted as hyperlink url.  For mutt users, the urlview should be
familiar.  So can vimp parse the document.text and provide a list of
links for ff itself or pass to !cmd?

-- 
regards,
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gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3
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    ???????  ???????  ???????  ???????
    ???????  ???????  ???????  ???????

From r.grosmann at gmail.com  Sun Dec 21 06:46:05 2008
From: r.grosmann at gmail.com (ruud grosmann)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:46:05 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator 2.0 alpha issues
In-Reply-To: <20081219215124.GB27745@jg.Belkin>
References: 
	<20081219203146.GA18201@jg.Belkin>
	
	<20081219215124.GB27745@jg.Belkin>
Message-ID: 

On 19/12/2008, Kris Maglione  wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 09:56:33PM +0100, ruud grosmann wrote:
>>OK, this helps for the :editor setting, but not being able to click a
>>tab to focus it, is that someting too that is mentioned in NEWS? I'm
>>afraid I can't find that....
>
> No, you probably have an incompatible extension installed, but
> check the JS console (:js!, and make sure that it's set to show
> errors).

Hi Kris.
The incompatible extension is tab mix plus  0.3.7.3 (the latest I
think) and is only incompatible since the 2.0 release.
Bringing up the javascript console is tricky, because it makes firefox
crash when I scroll through the errors and warnings. The warnings are
maybe the most interesting part.

The only two errors are:
Error: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x8000ffff
(NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED) [nsIObserverService.addObserver]"  nsresult:
"0x8000ffff (NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED)"  location: "JS frame ::
file:///usr/lib/iceweasel/xulrunner/components/nsTaggingService.js ::
anonymous :: line 89"  data: no]
Source File: file:///usr/lib/iceweasel/xulrunner/components/nsTaggingService.js
Line: 89
Error: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80004001
(NS_ERROR_NOT_IMPLEMENTED) [nsIRequest.name]"  nsresult: "0x80004001
(NS_ERROR_NOT_IMPLEMENTED)"  location: "JS frame ::
file:///usr/lib/iceweasel/xulrunner/components/nsLoginManager.js ::
anonymous :: line 282"  data: no]
Source File: file:///usr/lib/iceweasel/xulrunner/components/nsLoginManager.js
Line: 282

There are more warnings; they follow below. I'm not sure if I pasted
them all, but it is most of them. I hope you have an idea if it is
something that needs attention; I haven't.

regards, Ruud

warnings:

Warning: Expected declaration but found '!'.  Skipped to next declaration.
Source File: chrome-data://text/css, at namespace%20html%20%22http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml%22;%0A at namespace%20xul%20%22http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul%22;%0A at namespace%20liberator%20%22http://vimperator.org/namespaces/liberator%22;%0A at -moz-document%20url(%22chrome://liberator/content/buffer.xhtml%22),%20url(%22chrome://browser/content/browser.xul%22)%7B%0A%5Bliberator%7Chighlight~=CompGroup%5D%20%7B%20!important;%20%7D%0A%7D%0A
Line: 5
Warning: Expected declaration but found '!'.  Skipped to next declaration.
Source File: chrome-data://text/css, at namespace%20html%20%22http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml%22;%0A at namespace%20xul%20%22http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul%22;%0A at namespace%20liberator%20%22http://vimperator.org/namespaces/liberator%22;%0A at -moz-document%20url(%22chrome://liberator/content/buffer.xhtml%22),%20url(%22chrome://browser/content/browser.xul%22)%7B%0A%5Bliberator%7Chighlight~=CompGroup%5D%20%7B%20!important;%20%7D%0A%7D%0A
Line: 5

Warning: Unknown pseudo-class or pseudo-element 'first-of-type'.
Malformed simple selector as negation pseudo-class argument
'first-of-type'.  Ruleset ignored due to bad selector.
Source File: chrome-data://text/css, at namespace%20html%20%22http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml%22;%0A at namespace%20xul%20%22http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul%22;%0A at namespace%20liberator%20%22http://vimperator.org/namespaces/liberator%22;%0A at -moz-document%20url(%22chrome://liberator/content/buffer.xhtml%22),%20url(%22chrome://browser/content/browser.xul%22)%7B%0A%5Bliberator%7Chighlight~=CompGroup%5D:not(:first-of-type)%20%7B%20margin-top:%20.5em!important;%20%7D%0A%7D%0A
Line: 5
Warning: Unknown pseudo-class or pseudo-element 'first-of-type'.
Malformed simple selector as negation pseudo-class argument
'first-of-type'.  Ruleset ignored due to bad selector.
Source File: chrome-data://text/css, at namespace%20html%20%22http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml%22;%0A at namespace%20xul%20%22http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul%22;%0A at namespace%20liberator%20%22http://vimperator.org/namespaces/liberator%22;%0A at -moz-document%20url(%22chrome://liberator/content/buffer.xhtml%22),%20url(%22chrome://browser/content/browser.xul%22)%7B%0A%5Bliberator%7Chighlight~=CompGroup%5D:not(:first-of-type)%20%7B%20margin-top:%20.5em!important;%20%7D%0A%7D%0A
Line: 5

Warning: Expected declaration but found '!'.  Skipped to next declaration.
Source File: chrome-data://text/css, at namespace%20html%20%22http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml%22;%0A at namespace%20xul%20%22http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul%22;%0A at namespace%20liberator%20%22http://vimperator.org/namespaces/liberator%22;%0A at -moz-document%20url(%22chrome://liberator/content/buffer.xhtml%22),%20url(%22chrome://browser/content/browser.xul%22)%7B%0A%5Bliberator%7Chighlight~=CompItem%5D%20%7B%20!important;%20%7D%0A%7D%0A
Line: 5

Warning: Expected declaration but found '!'.  Skipped to next declaration.
Source File: chrome-data://text/css, at namespace%20html%20%22http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml%22;%0A at namespace%20xul%20%22http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul%22;%0A at namespace%20liberator%20%22http://vimperator.org/namespaces/liberator%22;%0A at -moz-document%20url(%22chrome://liberator/content/buffer.xhtml%22),%20url(%22chrome://browser/content/browser.xul%22)%7B%0A%5Bliberator%7Chighlight~=CompItem%5D%20%7B%20!important;%20%7D%0A%7D%0A
Line: 5

Warning: Expected declaration but found '!'.  Skipped to next declaration.
Source File: chrome-data://text/css, at namespace%20html%20%22http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml%22;%0A at namespace%20xul%20%22http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul%22;%0A at namespace%20liberator%20%22http://vimperator.org/namespaces/liberator%22;%0A at -moz-document%20url(%22chrome://liberator/content/buffer.xhtml%22),%20url(%22chrome://browser/content/browser.xul%22)%7B%0A%5Bliberator%7Chighlight~=StatusLineBroken%5D%20%7B%20color:%20black!important;%20background:%20#FF6060!important;%20/*%20light-red%20*/!important;%20%7D%0A%7D%0A
Line: 5

Warning: Expected declaration but found '!'.  Skipped to next declaration.
Source File: chrome-data://text/css, at namespace%20html%20%22http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml%22;%0A at namespace%20xul%20%22http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul%22;%0A at namespace%20liberator%20%22http://vimperator.org/namespaces/liberator%22;%0A at -moz-document%20url(%22chrome://liberator/content/buffer.xhtml%22),%20url(%22chrome://browser/content/browser.xul%22)%7B%0A%5Bliberator%7Chighlight~=StatusLineSecure%5D%20%7B%20color:%20black!important;%20background:%20#B0FF00!important;%20/*%20light-green%20*/!important;%20%7D%0A%7D%0A
Line: 5

Warning: Expected declaration but found '!'.  Skipped to next declaration.
Source File: chrome-data://text/css, at namespace%20html%20%22http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml%22;%0A at namespace%20xul%20%22http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul%22;%0A at namespace%20liberator%20%22http://vimperator.org/namespaces/liberator%22;%0A at -moz-document%20url(%22chrome://liberator/content/buffer.xhtml%22),%20url(%22chrome://browser/content/browser.xul%22)%7B%0A%5Bliberator%7Chighlight~=TabClose%5D%20%7B%20!important;%20%7D%0A%7D%0A
Line: 5

From luoclatcti at tom.com  Sun Dec 21 14:24:41 2008
From: luoclatcti at tom.com (=?UTF-8?B?572X5pil6Zu3?=)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 06:24:41 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Errors in the function callAync in liberator.js,
	I think
Message-ID: <494EC229.3060100@tom.com>

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From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sun Dec 21 15:39:15 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:39:15 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Errors in the function callAync in liberator.js,
	I think
In-Reply-To: <494EC229.3060100@tom.com>
References: <494EC229.3060100@tom.com>
Message-ID: <20081221233915.GA6685@jg>

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 06:24:41AM +0800, ??? wrote:
>Excuse me, I a chinese, can't speak English well.

Thanks. In the future, can you please send plain text instead of 
HTML (and instead of JPGs)?

-- 
Kris Maglione

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by
stupidity.
	--Hanlon's razor


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sun Dec 21 15:42:56 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:42:56 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperator 2.0 alpha issues
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<20081219203146.GA18201@jg.Belkin>
	
	<20081219215124.GB27745@jg.Belkin>
	
Message-ID: <20081221234256.GB6685@jg>

On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 03:46:05PM +0100, ruud grosmann wrote:
>The incompatible extension is tab mix plus  0.3.7.3 (the latest I
>think) and is only incompatible since the 2.0 release.
>Bringing up the javascript console is tricky, because it makes firefox
>crash when I scroll through the errors and warnings. The warnings are
>maybe the most interesting part.

Yeah, it's a known problem. As far as I know, it was a problem 
in 1.2, as well, but at the very least, it's been so for several 
months. I suggest you use Tab Control or Tab Kit instead.

>The only two errors are:
>Error: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x8000ffff
>(NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED) [nsIObserverService.addObserver]"  nsresult:
>"0x8000ffff (NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED)"  location: "JS frame ::
>file:///usr/lib/iceweasel/xulrunner/components/nsTaggingService.js ::
>anonymous :: line 89"  data: no]
>Source File: file:///usr/lib/iceweasel/xulrunner/components/nsTaggingService.js
>Line: 89
>Error: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80004001
>(NS_ERROR_NOT_IMPLEMENTED) [nsIRequest.name]"  nsresult: "0x80004001
>(NS_ERROR_NOT_IMPLEMENTED)"  location: "JS frame ::
>file:///usr/lib/iceweasel/xulrunner/components/nsLoginManager.js ::
>anonymous :: line 282"  data: no]
>Source File: file:///usr/lib/iceweasel/xulrunner/components/nsLoginManager.js
>Line: 282

I don't think either of those are related to Vimperator.

>There are more warnings; they follow below. I'm not sure if I pasted
>them all, but it is most of them. I hope you have an idea if it is
>something that needs attention; I haven't.

Those are CSS warnings, so they're not related to this (and 
they're not important, but I should fix them anyway).

-- 
Kris Maglione

If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be
the process of putting them in.
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


From vimperator at al-got-rhythm.net  Mon Dec 22 08:26:35 2008
From: vimperator at al-got-rhythm.net (Alan Brogan)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:26:35 +0000
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperatorrc and vimrc
Message-ID: <12a6d6600812220826w595dee5bg3dea4aa0cc006c9c@mail.gmail.com>

Hello the list

Been using vimperator for a few weeks now, and loving it.

Thank you.

Last week I copied a few of my "noremap" keys from vimrc to
vimperatorrc, this week I was changing stuff in vimrc and I wondered
if I should change it in vimperatorrc as well, so I'll just set up a
common ... hang on I'm not the first to want to do this.

I was about to set up a ~/.vim-common-rc and include it into both, but
maybe someone on the list knows another way.
The common file approach seems kinda obvious, but maybe you tried that
already and found it didn't work because ... ?

-- 
Alan

From luoclatcti at tom.com  Mon Dec 22 12:53:09 2008
From: luoclatcti at tom.com (=?UTF-8?B?572X5pil6Zu3?=)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:53:09 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Errors in the function callAync in liberator.js,
 I think
In-Reply-To: <20081221233915.GA6685@jg>
References: <494EC229.3060100@tom.com> <20081221233915.GA6685@jg>
Message-ID: <494FFE35.7090806@tom.com>

On 2008-12-22 7:39, Kris Maglione wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 06:24:41AM +0800, ??? wrote:
>> Excuse me, I a chinese, can't speak English well.
>
> Thanks. In the future, can you please send plain text instead of HTML 
> (and instead of JPGs)?
>
Yes, I can do.


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Dec 22 13:43:52 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:43:52 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] vimperatorrc and vimrc
In-Reply-To: <12a6d6600812220826w595dee5bg3dea4aa0cc006c9c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <12a6d6600812220826w595dee5bg3dea4aa0cc006c9c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081222214352.GA13084@jg.Belkin>

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 04:26:35PM +0000, Alan Brogan wrote:
>I was about to set up a ~/.vim-common-rc and include it into both, but
>maybe someone on the list knows another way.
>The common file approach seems kinda obvious, but maybe you tried that
>already and found it didn't work because ... ?

No, that's the right thing to do.

-- 
Kris Maglione

It's always good to take an orthogonal view of something.  It develops
ideas.
	--Ken Thompson


From konbu.komuro at gmail.com  Mon Dec 22 17:50:35 2008
From: konbu.komuro at gmail.com (Komuro Sunao)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:50:35 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] String option.serial bug
Message-ID: <6914ac6b0812221750m11b22e74l4e7eb1bea12ced00@mail.gmail.com>

string option.serial has bug like
set runtimepath=C:Documents and Settingssun
I want
set runtimepath='C:\Documents and Settings\sun'

It makes :mkvimperatorrc bug too.

Attach patch make serial like
set runtimepath='C:\Documents and Settings\sun'

set runtimepath=C:\\Documents\ and\ Settings\\sun
is also valid value, but this patch don't make such a value.

I post this bug ticket too.
http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/94
-- 
Department of Computer Science, The University of Electro-Communications
?? ??Komuro Sunao?
Email? konbu.komuro at gmail.com
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From dpb at driftaway.org  Tue Dec 23 07:54:57 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:54:57 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 2
Message-ID: 

Hi all!

It's time for your christmas present, because you've all been so nice.

Here it is: Vimperator 2.0 alpha 2!

You can get it at http://download.vimperator.org/vimperator/vimperator_2.0a2.xpi

Lots of bugs since alpha 1 has been fixed, but there's probably still
some left. So please report them to the bug tracker on the website!

Probably not a lot of them will be fixed during the holidays, but
hopefully early next year we'll get a proper 2.0 release! :)


Happy holidays for everyone!

--
Daniel

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 09:05:32 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:05:32 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 2
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

Congratulations! :D

Just install it on firefox 3.0.5, when I ":open mail" to tab
completion gmail url, it returns no results, as I had ":set
complete=bsl", so the results shall include the urls that I had ever
visited. and then quit firefox, the process won't go away, i have to
issue "kill -9 xxxxx" to force remove the process, after restart
firefox problem still exist.

During the short testing alpha 2, I had encountered following error message.

"Processing keypress event: InternalError: too much recursion"
and
"Processing keypress event: TypeError: window.content is null"

PS:
system spec: ubuntu 8.10 amd64

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 09:12:28 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:12:28 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 2
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
Message-ID: 

I had just tested alpha2 on firefox 3.1b3, no such issue.

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Tue Dec 23 09:28:51 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:28:51 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 2
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
	
Message-ID: 

I am wondering if it is worth to remove b or at least "h" from cpt and
rely on "l" only as this should hopefully be fast enough for most
people?

On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Ye Xu  wrote:
> I had just tested alpha2 on firefox 3.1b3, no such issue.
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 09:52:54 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:52:54 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 2
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
	
	
Message-ID: 

on my pc, athlon x2 3800+ with 4gb ram, if ":set complete=blhs" then
":open mail", hit tab, it takes roughly 5s to have the search
results(tested on firefox3.1b3). so I think it is not so useful for
those who had saved a lot of browsing history.

PS. is this "b" option in ":set complete" caused the issue on firefox
3.0.5? but I have only one entry inside my local bookmark.


On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 18:28, Martin Stubenschrott
 wrote:
> I am wondering if it is worth to remove b or at least "h" from cpt and
> rely on "l" only as this should hopefully be fast enough for most
> people?
>
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Ye Xu  wrote:
>> I had just tested alpha2 on firefox 3.1b3, no such issue.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 10:05:13 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:05:13 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 2
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
	
	
	
Message-ID: 

ctrl+q firefox and "kill -9 xxx" for 5 more times, the ":open xxx"
works again in 3.0.5.
Will vimperator run in the background and index all the entries in
bookmark, history, and
locations bar after each new installation or update?
if so, why the same issue won't happened in firefox 3.1b3?
or the issue caused by the difference internal working mechanism
between 3.0.x and 3.1.x?
very weird.

From cshei at cs.indiana.edu  Tue Dec 23 11:48:12 2008
From: cshei at cs.indiana.edu (Chun-Yu Shei)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:48:12 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 2
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
Message-ID: <4951407C.7030204@cs.indiana.edu>

I can confirm that both the lack of completion and firefox-bin not going 
away on quit problems also happen here in firefox 3.1 beta 2. 
Downgrading to alpha 1 fixes both.

Chun-Yu

On 12/23/08 12:05 PM, Ye Xu wrote:
> Congratulations! :D
>
> Just install it on firefox 3.0.5, when I ":open mail" to tab
> completion gmail url, it returns no results, as I had ":set
> complete=bsl", so the results shall include the urls that I had ever
> visited. and then quit firefox, the process won't go away, i have to
> issue "kill -9 xxxxx" to force remove the process, after restart
> firefox problem still exist.
>
> During the short testing alpha 2, I had encountered following error message.
>
> "Processing keypress event: InternalError: too much recursion"
> and
> "Processing keypress event: TypeError: window.content is null"
>
> PS:
> system spec: ubuntu 8.10 amd64
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Dec 24 04:13:52 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:13:52 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 2
In-Reply-To: <4951407C.7030204@cs.indiana.edu>
References: 
	
	<4951407C.7030204@cs.indiana.edu>
Message-ID: 

I actually tried alpha2 on windows, firefox 3.0.3, and also ran into
some problems:

1.) The error console pops up, the only error i can see there is:

Error: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x8000ffff
(NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED) [nsIObserverService.addObserver]"  nsresult:
"0x8000ffff (NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED)"  location: "JS frame ::
file:///F:/Programme/Mozilla%20Firefox/components/nsTaggingService.js
:: anonymous :: line 89"  data: no]
Source file: file:///F:/Programme/Mozilla%20Firefox/components/nsTaggingService.js
Line: 89

2.) :open  does not work at all, although it is cpt=sfl (the
default), maybe connected to the first problem.

3.) Clicking in the firefox address bar keeps me getting back to
normal mode (only with browser.urlbar.clickSelectAll=true, which is
the (stupid) default on Windows). Wasn't that fixed by Kris at some
time?


If the FF3.0 issue is hard to solve, we *could* make Vimp 2.0 FF3.1
only, but 3.0 compatibility would probably nice.

From ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 04:24:28 2008
From: ye.xu.hdm at gmail.com (Ye Xu)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:24:28 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 2
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
	<4951407C.7030204@cs.indiana.edu>
	
Message-ID: 

On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 13:13, Martin Stubenschrott
 wrote:
>
> If the FF3.0 issue is hard to solve, we *could* make Vimp 2.0 FF3.1
> _______________________________________________


I think this advice is reasonable!

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 04:36:40 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:36:40 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 2
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
	<4951407C.7030204@cs.indiana.edu>
	
	
Message-ID: <880dece00812240436n3c174dd0x3b1128231759fa76@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/24 Ye Xu :
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 13:13, Martin Stubenschrott
>  wrote:
>>
>> If the FF3.0 issue is hard to solve, we *could* make Vimp 2.0 FF3.1
>

I agree.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

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?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 09:14:42 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:14:42 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 2
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
	<4951407C.7030204@cs.indiana.edu>
	
Message-ID: <20081224171442.GA9527@jg.Belkin>

On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 01:13:52PM +0100, Martin Stubenschrott wrote:
>I actually tried alpha2 on windows, firefox 3.0.3, and also ran into
>some problems:

Works for me on 3.0.x under wine and *nix.

>1.) The error console pops up, the only error i can see there is:
>
>Error: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x8000ffff
>(NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED) [nsIObserverService.addObserver]"  nsresult:
>"0x8000ffff (NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED)"  location: "JS frame ::
>file:///F:/Programme/Mozilla%20Firefox/components/nsTaggingService.js
>:: anonymous :: line 89"  data: no]
>Source file: file:///F:/Programme/Mozilla%20Firefox/components/nsTaggingService.js
>Line: 89

I'd say it's probably not related to us, but I don't know why 
the error console would pop up otherwise. What about the console 
output?

>2.) :open  does not work at all, although it is cpt=sfl (the
>default), maybe connected to the first problem.

Works for me.

>3.) Clicking in the firefox address bar keeps me getting back to
>normal mode (only with browser.urlbar.clickSelectAll=true, which is
>the (stupid) default on Windows). Wasn't that fixed by Kris at some
>time?

I did, but it broke Firebug, so I changed it. I did test the new 
version, so it must have broken some time afterwards.

>If the FF3.0 issue is hard to solve, we *could* make Vimp 2.0 FF3.1
>only, but 3.0 compatibility would probably nice.

I'd rather not. Too many distros (especially the nasty 
debian-ish ones) will wait ages before providing 3.1, and I'd 
prefer not to force users to upgrade if they don't have to.

-- 
Kris Maglione

It is what you read when you don't have to that determines what you
will be when you can't help it.
	--Oscar Wilde

From dotancohen at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 09:33:40 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:33:40 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 2
In-Reply-To: <20081224171442.GA9527@jg.Belkin>
References: 
	
	<4951407C.7030204@cs.indiana.edu>
	
	<20081224171442.GA9527@jg.Belkin>
Message-ID: <880dece00812240933w3a8bf9q6e988c55865afd9f@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/24 Kris Maglione :
>> If the FF3.0 issue is hard to solve, we *could* make Vimp 2.0 FF3.1
>> only, but 3.0 compatibility would probably nice.
>
> I'd rather not. Too many distros (especially the nasty debian-ish ones) will
> wait ages before providing 3.1, and I'd prefer not to force users to upgrade
> if they don't have to.
>

Who's forcing? They can use the current Vimperator with FIrefox 3.0.x.
Upgrading FIrefox to 3.1 will provide them with more features, and a
newer Vimperator, but the current stable Vimp is perfectly usable for
those stuck on 3.0. Note that I also use a Debian-based distro.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-??-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 10:40:31 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:40:31 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 2
In-Reply-To: <880dece00812240933w3a8bf9q6e988c55865afd9f@mail.gmail.com>
References: 
	
	<4951407C.7030204@cs.indiana.edu>
	
	<20081224171442.GA9527@jg.Belkin>
	<880dece00812240933w3a8bf9q6e988c55865afd9f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081224184031.GA16968@jg>

On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 07:33:40PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>Who's forcing? They can use the current Vimperator with FIrefox 3.0.x.
>Upgrading FIrefox to 3.1 will provide them with more features, and a
>newer Vimperator, but the current stable Vimp is perfectly usable for
>those stuck on 3.0. Note that I also use a Debian-based distro.

Sorry, but that's a cop out. There's no reason that we shouldn't 
support 3.0. That's been the plan all along, and we've gone to 
lengths to maintain compatibility so far. If people want the 
extra features of Vimperator 2.0 without the extra features in 
Firefox 3.1 (and the extra hassle of an upgrade and slew of 
incompatible extensions), then we should very well oblige them.

-- 
Kris Maglione

If we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as lines
produced but as lines spent.
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


From dotancohen at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 11:13:39 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:13:39 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 2
In-Reply-To: <20081224184031.GA16968@jg>
References: 
	
	<4951407C.7030204@cs.indiana.edu>
	
	<20081224171442.GA9527@jg.Belkin>
	<880dece00812240933w3a8bf9q6e988c55865afd9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081224184031.GA16968@jg>
Message-ID: <880dece00812241113s2ee4d33bo8fd6c5f7044ef0b7@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/24 Kris Maglione :
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 07:33:40PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>
>> Who's forcing? They can use the current Vimperator with FIrefox 3.0.x.
>> Upgrading FIrefox to 3.1 will provide them with more features, and a
>> newer Vimperator, but the current stable Vimp is perfectly usable for
>> those stuck on 3.0. Note that I also use a Debian-based distro.
>
> Sorry, but that's a cop out. There's no reason that we shouldn't support
> 3.0. That's been the plan all along, and we've gone to lengths to maintain
> compatibility so far. If people want the extra features of Vimperator 2.0
> without the extra features in Firefox 3.1 (and the extra hassle of an
> upgrade and slew of incompatible extensions), then we should very well
> oblige them.
>

I'm not coping out- I'm not coding! As a user I simply agreed that I
would be grateful to the devs for a 3.1-compatible version even if it
is not 3.0 compatible because there already exists a Vimperator
version for Firefox 3.0.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-??-?-?
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?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From anekos616 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 15:16:11 2008
From: anekos616 at gmail.com (anekos)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 08:16:11 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 2
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
	<4951407C.7030204@cs.indiana.edu>
	
Message-ID: 

Hi.

> Error: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x8000ffff
> (NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED) [nsIObserverService.addObserver]"  nsresult:
> "0x8000ffff (NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED)"  location: "JS frame ::
> file:///F:/Programme/Mozilla%20Firefox/components/nsTaggingService.js
> :: anonymous :: line 89"  data: no]
> Source file: file:///F:/Programme/Mozilla%20Firefox/components/nsTaggingService.js
> Line: 89

I have the patch for this error.
I commited the patch. But the patch is strange one line patch.
So if you do not think that it is not good, please revert.
In fact, Perhaps this error is made by firefox bug.

7775388369ba351f40fba618a7b44153242cec99
http://vimperator.org/trac/gitweb/?p=liberator.git;a=commit;h=7775388369ba351f40fba618a7b44153242cec99

From mftian at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 17:03:45 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 09:03:45 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] [bug report] Can't quit Visual Mode by pressing 'v'
	again
Message-ID: 

After entering Visual Mode by first press 'i' to enter Caret Mode and
then press 'v', one can't quit Visual Mode by pressing 'v' again.
Plus, if 'v' is pressed in Visual Mode, one can't quit Visual Mode
even with ESC or Ctrl+[. The only way I found is to press ':' to enter
commandline mode and then cancel it so that you can be in normal mode.

ticket filed: http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/96

From cameronhmatthews at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 24 09:27:20 2008
From: cameronhmatthews at yahoo.com (Cameron H. Matthews)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:27:20 -0800
Subject: [Vimperator] Control K problems
Message-ID: <019d01c965ec$e0c601d0$a2520570$@com>

Hi,

 

I really like Vimperator but I've had to disable it because it causes
Control K to stop functioning

properly.  When I hit Ctl-K, the cursor briefly jumps to the Firefox (3.0.4
BTW) search textbox

but immediately leaves it and input focus returns to the main window.  Since
I'm also a YubNub

fanatic, this kills off access to that capability and makes for an unhappy
user.

 

C-v/C-k doesn't help.  I do have a bunch of other Firefox add-ins but
disabling them hasn't

fixed it and only disabling Vimperator fixes the problem.

 

Anyone have any ideas?

 

Thanks!

 

Cameron

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From dotancohen at gmail.com  Thu Dec 25 11:43:49 2008
From: dotancohen at gmail.com (Dotan Cohen)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 21:43:49 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Control K problems
In-Reply-To: <019d01c965ec$e0c601d0$a2520570$@com>
References: <019d01c965ec$e0c601d0$a2520570$@com>
Message-ID: <880dece00812251143w32927a79g8b9a8c870e6b5780@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/24 Cameron H. Matthews :
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I really like Vimperator but I've had to disable it because it causes
> Control K to stop functioning
>
> properly.  When I hit Ctl-K, the cursor briefly jumps to the Firefox (3.0.4
> BTW) search textbox
>
> but immediately leaves it and input focus returns to the main window.  Since
> I'm also a YubNub
>
> fanatic, this kills off access to that capability and makes for an unhappy
> user.
>
>
>
> C-v/C-k doesn't help.  I do have a bunch of other Firefox add-ins but
> disabling them hasn't
>
> fixed it and only disabling Vimperator fixes the problem.
>
>
>
> Anyone have any ideas?
>
>
>

I recommend ditching the separate search box and seraching from the
address bar. I have the default action to search from google,
additionally I have these keywords:
g: google
w: wikipedia
p: php documentation
And lots of others. F6 Ctrl-L and Alt-D all take you directly to the
addressbar, and in Vimperator the keywords work in the command line as
well!

-- 
Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il

?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-??-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
?-?-?-?-?-?-?

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Sat Dec 27 12:45:28 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:45:28 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Control K problems
In-Reply-To: <880dece00812251143w32927a79g8b9a8c870e6b5780@mail.gmail.com>
References: <019d01c965ec$e0c601d0$a2520570$@com>
	<880dece00812251143w32927a79g8b9a8c870e6b5780@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Yeah, read

:help :open

and youll probably never need the serarch box anymore, :open ama
even completes :open amazon if you want to search there for something.

That said, ctrl-k is hopefully fixed in the git version by Kris' last
commit, but I am not sure.

On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Dotan Cohen  wrote:
> 2008/12/24 Cameron H. Matthews :
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I really like Vimperator but I've had to disable it because it causes
>> Control K to stop functioning
>>
>> properly.  When I hit Ctl-K, the cursor briefly jumps to the Firefox (3.0.4
>> BTW) search textbox
>>
>> but immediately leaves it and input focus returns to the main window.  Since
>> I'm also a YubNub
>>
>> fanatic, this kills off access to that capability and makes for an unhappy
>> user.
>>
>>
>>
>> C-v/C-k doesn't help.  I do have a bunch of other Firefox add-ins but
>> disabling them hasn't
>>
>> fixed it and only disabling Vimperator fixes the problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>
> I recommend ditching the separate search box and seraching from the
> address bar. I have the default action to search from google,
> additionally I have these keywords:
> g: google
> w: wikipedia
> p: php documentation
> And lots of others. F6 Ctrl-L and Alt-D all take you directly to the
> addressbar, and in Vimperator the keywords work in the command line as
> well!
>
> --
> Dotan Cohen
>
> http://what-is-what.com
> http://gibberish.co.il
>
> ?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
> ?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-??-?-?
> ?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
> ?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
> ?-?-?-?-?-?-?
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Sat Dec 27 14:47:05 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:47:05 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Cntrl+Q passes through initial Cntrl+Q?
In-Reply-To: <47F0008C.6040501@tedpavlic.com>
References: <47F0008C.6040501@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <4956B069.4040303@tedpavlic.com>

This problem is Mac OS X specific. It is fixed by putting

:set! ui.key.contentAccess=3

in the .vimperatorrc. That change makes access keys trigger with 
CNTRL+SHIFT rather than just CNTRL.

--Ted

On 3/30/08 5:05 PM, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> When I'm editing a Wikipedia page (or any WikiMedia page), I often want
> to turn on pass-thru mode when in the edit window.

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Sat Dec 27 14:51:02 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:51:02 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Cntrl+I on OS X
In-Reply-To: <48E574FC.5030305@tedpavlic.com>
References: <48E574FC.5030305@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <4956B156.10007@tedpavlic.com>

An explanation of this problem (and plenty of solutions to it) is given at:

http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/74

To make a long story short,

:set editor='bash -lc "gvim -f \$*" gvim '

should work well.

--Ted


On 10/2/08 9:27 PM, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> I feel like this has been addressed on the mailing list, but I can't
> find it.
>
> Is the problem with the "editor" setting on OS/X fixable? Or is it a
> problem with Firefox as a whole?

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Sat Dec 27 14:53:45 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:53:45 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Restoring Cntrl+I from foreign JavaScript changes
In-Reply-To: <49453032.6060602@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49453032.6060602@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <4956B1F9.3020701@tedpavlic.com>

A solution to this Mac OS X-specific problem is described here:

http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/102

The problem is that Firefox defaults to opening access keys with CNTRL 
rather than CNTRL+SHIFT or ALT+SHIFT, and so pages (like Wikipedia edit 
pagse) that have elements with elements that have an "i" access key 
prevent ^I from launching the external editor. Setting the access key 
behavior to the UNIX-style behavior:

:set! ui.key.contentAccess=3

fixes the problem (but access keys are then triggered by CNTRL+SHIFT).

--Ted


On 12/14/08 11:11 AM, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> Some of Wikipedia's editing extensions override Cntrl+I. In fact, I'm
> pretty sure several bulletin boards do the same thing because Cntrl+I is
> so easy to use for "make italic."

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Sat Dec 27 20:06:52 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 23:06:52 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Restoring Cntrl+I from foreign JavaScript changes
In-Reply-To: <4956B1F9.3020701@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49453032.6060602@tedpavlic.com> <4956B1F9.3020701@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <4956FB5C.9050707@tedpavlic.com>

Alternatively, access keys can be disabled in the Wikipedia preferences. 
Login to Wikipedia and go to User Preferences:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences

Click on the "Gadgets" tab, scroll down to the "User interface gadgets" 
section, and check the "Disable access keys" box.

On 12/27/08 5:53 PM, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> A solution to this Mac OS X-specific problem is described here:
>
> http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/102
>
> The problem is that Firefox defaults to opening access keys with CNTRL
> rather than CNTRL+SHIFT or ALT+SHIFT, and so pages (like Wikipedia edit
> pagse) that have elements with elements that have an "i" access key
> prevent ^I from launching the external editor. Setting the access key
> behavior to the UNIX-style behavior:
>
> :set! ui.key.contentAccess=3
>
> fixes the problem (but access keys are then triggered by CNTRL+SHIFT).
>
> On 12/14/08 11:11 AM, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>> Some of Wikipedia's editing extensions override Cntrl+I. In fact, I'm
>> pretty sure several bulletin boards do the same thing because Cntrl+I is
>> so easy to use for "make italic."
>

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Sun Dec 28 00:19:33 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 03:19:33 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :help is not "seeing" options.html
Message-ID: <49573695.60204@tedpavlic.com>

I'll try to investigate further tomorrow, but I just noticed that nothing on

	options.html

is visible to :help. For example..

	:help defsearch
	:help def
	:help 'defsearch'
	:help options
	:help :editor

all give me

	E149: Sorry, no help for ...

However, ":help" for things located elsewhere seems to work fine.


-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From mftian at gmail.com  Sun Dec 28 00:47:33 2008
From: mftian at gmail.com (Xie&Tian)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:47:33 +0800
Subject: [Vimperator] :help is not "seeing" options.html
In-Reply-To: <49573695.60204@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49573695.60204@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: 

Same for me, too. I turned on the auto-completion:

:set wop=auto

and found that they are just not in the auto-completion list

2008/12/28 Ted Pavlic :
> I'll try to investigate further tomorrow, but I just noticed that nothing on
>
>        options.html
>
> is visible to :help. For example..
>
>        :help defsearch
>        :help def
>        :help 'defsearch'
>        :help options
>        :help :editor
>
> all give me
>
>        E149: Sorry, no help for ...
>
> However, ":help" for things located elsewhere seems to work fine.
>
>
> --
> Ted Pavlic 
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Sun Dec 28 10:33:56 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 13:33:56 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] :help is not "seeing" options.html
In-Reply-To: 
References: <49573695.60204@tedpavlic.com>
	
Message-ID: <4957C694.4040004@tedpavlic.com>

The problem appears to be caused by changeset 
7f3ea5d1ab448cea361461591dd9eb3ac6c1cacf.

--Ted

On 12/28/08 3:47 AM, Xie&Tian wrote:
> Same for me, too. I turned on the auto-completion:
>
> :set wop=auto
>
> and found that they are just not in the auto-completion list
>
> 2008/12/28 Ted Pavlic:
>> I'll try to investigate further tomorrow, but I just noticed that nothing on
>>
>>         options.html
>>
>> is visible to :help. For example..
>>
>>         :help defsearch
>>         :help def
>>         :help 'defsearch'
>>         :help options
>>         :help :editor
>>
>> all give me
>>
>>         E149: Sorry, no help for ...
>>
>> However, ":help" for things located elsewhere seems to work fine.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ted Pavlic
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sun Dec 28 12:21:58 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:21:58 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 2
In-Reply-To: <880dece00812241113s2ee4d33bo8fd6c5f7044ef0b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: 
	
	<4951407C.7030204@cs.indiana.edu>
	
	<20081224171442.GA9527@jg.Belkin>
	<880dece00812240933w3a8bf9q6e988c55865afd9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081224184031.GA16968@jg>
	<880dece00812241113s2ee4d33bo8fd6c5f7044ef0b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081228202158.GA16690@jg.Belkin>

On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 09:13:39PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>I'm not coping out- I'm not coding! As a user I simply agreed that I
>would be grateful to the devs for a 3.1-compatible version even if it
>is not 3.0 compatible because there already exists a Vimperator
>version for Firefox 3.0.

Obviously you're not copping out. That's not the point. 
Vimperator has some 5000 daily users, many of whom, including 
myself, would like to use the latest stable release of 
Vimperator. And, many of those, for some reason or other can't 
(or won't) upgrade to the latest Firefox release. Some of them 
can't do so because of the hassle their package managers would 
cause them, or because they're at work and can't choose what 
software to install. If you're happy to upgrade to 3.1, great. 
If you appreciate our work regardless of whether we continue to 
support 3.0, again, great. Many of those who won't upgrade to 
3.1 will continue to do the same. But that doesn't mean we 
shouldn't continue to support it all the same.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Amateur programmers think there are 1000 bytes in a kilobyte; Real
Programmers think there are 1024 meters in a kilometer.


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Sun Dec 28 12:28:23 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:28:23 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 2
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	
	<4951407C.7030204@cs.indiana.edu>
	
	
Message-ID: <20081228202823.GB16690@jg.Belkin>

On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 08:16:11AM +0900, anekos wrote:
>I have the patch for this error.
>I commited the patch. But the patch is strange one line patch.
>So if you do not think that it is not good, please revert.
>In fact, Perhaps this error is made by firefox bug.

I think it's not good, but good enough if we can't do better. 
Just two comments. 1) We use "-quotes where possible, and 2) 
functions of window should be called as such, i.e., 
window.makeURI, although we should probably avoid them when 
they're not part of a standard in case other Gecko apps 
(Thunderbird, Songbird) don't provide them.

-- 
Kris Maglione

Some problems are so complex that you have to be highly intelligent
and well informed just to be undecided about them.
	--Laurence J. Peter


From anekos616 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 28 14:26:01 2008
From: anekos616 at gmail.com (anekos)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:26:01 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] Vimperator 2.0 alpha 2
In-Reply-To: <20081228202823.GB16690@jg.Belkin>
References: 
	
	<4951407C.7030204@cs.indiana.edu>
	
	
	<20081228202823.GB16690@jg.Belkin>
Message-ID: 

> I think it's not good, but good enough if we can't do better. Just two
> comments. 1) We use "-quotes where possible, and 2) functions of window
> should be called as such, i.e., window.makeURI, although we should probably
> avoid them when they're not part of a standard in case other Gecko apps
> (Thunderbird, Songbird) don't provide them.

I got it. Thanks for comment.
I fixed some '-quotes and commit :)

and the test code for this problem.
http://pastebin.com/m7469b57a

From dougkearns at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 04:01:45 2008
From: dougkearns at gmail.com (Doug Kearns)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:01:45 +1100
Subject: [Vimperator] :help is not "seeing" options.html
In-Reply-To: <49573695.60204@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49573695.60204@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <644fc65e0812290401x43a66a1k6f3c068a1cf660d3@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/28/08, Ted Pavlic  wrote:
> I'll try to investigate further tomorrow, but I just noticed that nothing on
>
>         options.html
>
>  is visible to :help.

That should be fixed now. Well, bodged really but given the season
what more could you expect?

Doug

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Dec 29 12:04:57 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:04:57 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] VIMPERATOR_INIT trumps VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME
In-Reply-To: <20081212192813.GA9465@jg.home>
References: 
	<644fc65e0812120539j923945cmc5437c91d8afb4f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<494276AF.3060305@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<494290CE.2010104@tedpavlic.com> <49429340.2090208@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081212192813.GA9465@jg.home>
Message-ID: <49592D69.3050503@tedpavlic.com>

> Frankly, I'd prefer that HOME expanded to ~, instead of
> VIMPERATOR_HOME, because that's what all apps that it spawns
> will (hopefully) use. I'd really prefer that we had something
> like VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME that defaults to $HOME/.vimperator, and
> can be changed to fit whatever system you happen to be on. So,
> for a portable app, something like H:/Settings/vimperator.
> dot-files are just plain silly for user-editable config dirs.

As is currently implemented, if $VIMPERATOR_INIT exists, 
$VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME does nothing. And so I need my VIMPERATOR_INIT to...

1. Set rtp (to Z:\.vimperator, in my case)
2. Source Z:\.vimperatorrc

However, setting

VIMPERATOR_INIT=":set rtp=stuff | source Z:\.vimperatorrc"

doesn't work because the Vimp command-line doesn't support using "|" to 
separate two commands.

Questions:

	*) Should VIMPERATOR_INIT prevent VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME from loading? It 
seems to me that VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME should be set FIRST, and then 
VIMPERATOR_INIT can change it. However, if someone bothered to set the 
RUNTIME environment variable, it would be nice to actually use it.

	*) Is it a bug that the command line doesn't support |, like Vim? Or is 
that something for a feature request?

	Thanks --
	Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Dec 29 12:46:29 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:46:29 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Correction: How to use environment variables in RC
In-Reply-To: <49592D69.3050503@tedpavlic.com>
References: 
	<644fc65e0812120539j923945cmc5437c91d8afb4f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<494276AF.3060305@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<494290CE.2010104@tedpavlic.com> <49429340.2090208@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081212192813.GA9465@jg.home> <49592D69.3050503@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49593725.6040908@tedpavlic.com>

I was mistake in my diagnosis, but there is a new problem.

Because I want plugins to load before my vimperatorrc, I have this at 
the top of my .vimperatorrc file:

	:set noloadplugins
	:set runtimepath=~/.vimperator
	:loadplugins

I use this RC file on several systems, some of which run Windows. The 
Windows machines have my shared profile loaded on the Z:\ drive, and 
that's where I have Z:\.vimperatorrc.

In the past,

	*) I set VIMPERATOR_HOME=Z:\
	*) ~ expanded to $VIMPERATOR_HOME
	*) On every other system, ~ expanded to $HOME

So now I'd like a way to emulate the old behavior, but I don't know of a 
way to use environment variables inside the RC file.

Is there a good solution?

--Ted


On 12/29/08 3:04 PM, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>> Frankly, I'd prefer that HOME expanded to ~, instead of
>> VIMPERATOR_HOME, because that's what all apps that it spawns
>> will (hopefully) use. I'd really prefer that we had something
>> like VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME that defaults to $HOME/.vimperator, and
>> can be changed to fit whatever system you happen to be on. So,
>> for a portable app, something like H:/Settings/vimperator.
>> dot-files are just plain silly for user-editable config dirs.
>
> As is currently implemented, if $VIMPERATOR_INIT exists,
> $VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME does nothing. And so I need my VIMPERATOR_INIT to...
>
> 1. Set rtp (to Z:\.vimperator, in my case)
> 2. Source Z:\.vimperatorrc
>
> However, setting
>
> VIMPERATOR_INIT=":set rtp=stuff | source Z:\.vimperatorrc"
>
> doesn't work because the Vimp command-line doesn't support using "|" to
> separate two commands.
>
> Questions:
>
> 	*) Should VIMPERATOR_INIT prevent VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME from loading? It
> seems to me that VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME should be set FIRST, and then
> VIMPERATOR_INIT can change it. However, if someone bothered to set the
> RUNTIME environment variable, it would be nice to actually use it.
>
> 	*) Is it a bug that the command line doesn't support |, like Vim? Or is
> that something for a feature request?
>
> 	Thanks --
> 	Ted
>
>

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Dec 29 12:50:09 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:50:09 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Correction: How to use environment variables in RC
In-Reply-To: <49593725.6040908@tedpavlic.com>
References: 
	<644fc65e0812120539j923945cmc5437c91d8afb4f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<494276AF.3060305@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<494290CE.2010104@tedpavlic.com> <49429340.2090208@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081212192813.GA9465@jg.home> <49592D69.3050503@tedpavlic.com>
	<49593725.6040908@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49593801.8020405@tedpavlic.com>

> So now I'd like a way to emulate the old behavior, but I don't know of a
> way to use environment variables inside the RC file.
>
> Is there a good solution?

Now I see that environment variables do expand with rtp /as long as/ 
they exist.

So I guess I replace ~ with VIMPERATOR_HOME and make sure it's defined 
on every machine...

Vim actually *sets* these variables if they aren't already set. Should 
Vimperator behave the same way?

--Ted


> --Ted
>
>
> On 12/29/08 3:04 PM, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>>> Frankly, I'd prefer that HOME expanded to ~, instead of
>>> VIMPERATOR_HOME, because that's what all apps that it spawns
>>> will (hopefully) use. I'd really prefer that we had something
>>> like VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME that defaults to $HOME/.vimperator, and
>>> can be changed to fit whatever system you happen to be on. So,
>>> for a portable app, something like H:/Settings/vimperator.
>>> dot-files are just plain silly for user-editable config dirs.
>> As is currently implemented, if $VIMPERATOR_INIT exists,
>> $VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME does nothing. And so I need my VIMPERATOR_INIT to...
>>
>> 1. Set rtp (to Z:\.vimperator, in my case)
>> 2. Source Z:\.vimperatorrc
>>
>> However, setting
>>
>> VIMPERATOR_INIT=":set rtp=stuff | source Z:\.vimperatorrc"
>>
>> doesn't work because the Vimp command-line doesn't support using "|" to
>> separate two commands.
>>
>> Questions:
>>
>> 	*) Should VIMPERATOR_INIT prevent VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME from loading? It
>> seems to me that VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME should be set FIRST, and then
>> VIMPERATOR_INIT can change it. However, if someone bothered to set the
>> RUNTIME environment variable, it would be nice to actually use it.
>>
>> 	*) Is it a bug that the command line doesn't support |, like Vim? Or is
>> that something for a feature request?
>>
>> 	Thanks --
>> 	Ted
>>
>>
>

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Mon Dec 29 13:03:38 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:03:38 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Correction: How to use environment variables in RC
In-Reply-To: <49593801.8020405@tedpavlic.com>
References: 
	<644fc65e0812120539j923945cmc5437c91d8afb4f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<494276AF.3060305@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<494290CE.2010104@tedpavlic.com> <49429340.2090208@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081212192813.GA9465@jg.home> <49592D69.3050503@tedpavlic.com>
	<49593725.6040908@tedpavlic.com> <49593801.8020405@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <49593B2A.7070305@tedpavlic.com>

> So I guess I replace ~ with VIMPERATOR_HOME and make sure it's defined
> on every machine...

Note: This is onerous on the Mac machines because Vimperator is not 
started from within a shell. Hence, a plist file has to be modified in 
order to add VIMPERATOR_HOME to the environment manifest.

Perhaps if references to

$NON_EXISTENT_VAR

expanded to nothing (rather than being left there), there would be a 
simpler solution.

So even more now, I think that VIMPERATOR_HOME should be *set* by 
Vimperator when it doesn't exist (like Vim does with VIM, VIMRUNTIME, 
and MYVIMRC).

--Ted

>
> Vim actually *sets* these variables if they aren't already set. Should
> Vimperator behave the same way?
>
> --Ted
>
>
>> --Ted
>>
>>
>> On 12/29/08 3:04 PM, Ted Pavlic wrote:
>>>> Frankly, I'd prefer that HOME expanded to ~, instead of
>>>> VIMPERATOR_HOME, because that's what all apps that it spawns
>>>> will (hopefully) use. I'd really prefer that we had something
>>>> like VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME that defaults to $HOME/.vimperator, and
>>>> can be changed to fit whatever system you happen to be on. So,
>>>> for a portable app, something like H:/Settings/vimperator.
>>>> dot-files are just plain silly for user-editable config dirs.
>>> As is currently implemented, if $VIMPERATOR_INIT exists,
>>> $VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME does nothing. And so I need my VIMPERATOR_INIT to...
>>>
>>> 1. Set rtp (to Z:\.vimperator, in my case)
>>> 2. Source Z:\.vimperatorrc
>>>
>>> However, setting
>>>
>>> VIMPERATOR_INIT=":set rtp=stuff | source Z:\.vimperatorrc"
>>>
>>> doesn't work because the Vimp command-line doesn't support using "|" to
>>> separate two commands.
>>>
>>> Questions:
>>>
>>> 	*) Should VIMPERATOR_INIT prevent VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME from loading? It
>>> seems to me that VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME should be set FIRST, and then
>>> VIMPERATOR_INIT can change it. However, if someone bothered to set the
>>> RUNTIME environment variable, it would be nice to actually use it.
>>>
>>> 	*) Is it a bug that the command line doesn't support |, like Vim? Or is
>>> that something for a feature request?
>>>
>>> 	Thanks --
>>> 	Ted
>>>
>>>
>

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 14:36:55 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:36:55 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] VIMPERATOR_INIT trumps VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME
In-Reply-To: <49592D69.3050503@tedpavlic.com>
References: 
	<644fc65e0812120539j923945cmc5437c91d8afb4f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<494276AF.3060305@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<494290CE.2010104@tedpavlic.com> <49429340.2090208@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081212192813.GA9465@jg.home> <49592D69.3050503@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081229223655.GA21859@jg>

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 03:04:57PM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> As is currently implemented, if $VIMPERATOR_INIT exists,  
> $VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME does nothing. And so I need my VIMPERATOR_INIT to...

That's the expected behavior, as described in :help init, and as 
in vim.
> VIMPERATOR_INIT=":set rtp=stuff | source Z:\.vimperatorrc"
>
> doesn't work because the Vimp command-line doesn't support using "|" to  
> separate two commands.

Set it in /z/.vimperatorrc
> 	*) Should VIMPERATOR_INIT prevent VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME from loading?

Yes.

> 	*) Is it a bug that the command line doesn't support |, like Vim? Or is  
> that something for a feature request?

It's a bug, and something for a feature request.

-- 
Kris Maglione

UNIX was not designed to stop its users from doing stupid things, as
that would also stop them from doing clever things.
	--Doug Gwyn


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 14:40:03 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:40:03 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Correction: How to use environment variables in RC
In-Reply-To: <49593725.6040908@tedpavlic.com>
References: 
	<644fc65e0812120539j923945cmc5437c91d8afb4f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<494276AF.3060305@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<494290CE.2010104@tedpavlic.com> <49429340.2090208@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081212192813.GA9465@jg.home> <49592D69.3050503@tedpavlic.com>
	<49593725.6040908@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081229224003.GB21859@jg>

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 03:46:29PM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> 	:set noloadplugins
> 	:set runtimepath=~/.vimperator
> 	:loadplugins
>
> I use this RC file on several systems, some of which run Windows. The  
> Windows machines have my shared profile loaded on the Z:\ drive, and  
> that's where I have Z:\.vimperatorrc.

You don't need to do anything other than set rtp.

> So now I'd like a way to emulate the old behavior, but I don't know of a  
> way to use environment variables inside the RC file.

Environment variables are expanded in paths.

-- 
Kris Maglione

It is practically impossible to teach good programming style to
students that have had prior exposure to Basic; as potential
programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration.
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 14:40:28 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:40:28 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Correction: How to use environment variables in RC
In-Reply-To: <49593801.8020405@tedpavlic.com>
References: 
	<644fc65e0812120539j923945cmc5437c91d8afb4f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<494276AF.3060305@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<494290CE.2010104@tedpavlic.com> <49429340.2090208@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081212192813.GA9465@jg.home> <49592D69.3050503@tedpavlic.com>
	<49593725.6040908@tedpavlic.com> <49593801.8020405@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081229224028.GC21859@jg>

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 03:50:09PM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> Vim actually *sets* these variables if they aren't already set. Should  
> Vimperator behave the same way?

Yes.

-- 
Kris Maglione

The X server has to be the biggest program I've ever seen that doesn't
do anything for you.
	--Ken Thompson


From maglione.k at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 14:41:21 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:41:21 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Correction: How to use environment variables in RC
In-Reply-To: <49593B2A.7070305@tedpavlic.com>
References: <644fc65e0812120539j923945cmc5437c91d8afb4f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<494276AF.3060305@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<494290CE.2010104@tedpavlic.com> <49429340.2090208@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081212192813.GA9465@jg.home> <49592D69.3050503@tedpavlic.com>
	<49593725.6040908@tedpavlic.com> <49593801.8020405@tedpavlic.com>
	<49593B2A.7070305@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081229224121.GD21859@jg>

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 04:03:38PM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> Note: This is onerous on the Mac machines because Vimperator is not  
> started from within a shell. Hence, a plist file has to be modified in  
> order to add VIMPERATOR_HOME to the environment manifest.
>
> Perhaps if references to
>
> $NON_EXISTENT_VAR
>
> expanded to nothing (rather than being left there), there would be a  
> simpler solution.

Ask Bram. See the source. We're following Vim, and, yes, it's 
stypid.

> So even more now, I think that VIMPERATOR_HOME should be *set* by  
> Vimperator when it doesn't exist (like Vim does with VIM, VIMRUNTIME,  
> and MYVIMRC).

We don't use $VIMPERATOR_HOME.

-- 
Kris Maglione

An organisation that treats its programmers as morons will soon have
programmers that are willing and able to act like morons only.
	--Bjarne Stroustrup


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Tue Dec 30 05:18:00 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 08:18:00 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Correction: How to use environment variables in RC
In-Reply-To: <20081229224003.GB21859@jg>
References: 
	<644fc65e0812120539j923945cmc5437c91d8afb4f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<494276AF.3060305@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<494290CE.2010104@tedpavlic.com> <49429340.2090208@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081212192813.GA9465@jg.home> <49592D69.3050503@tedpavlic.com>
	<49593725.6040908@tedpavlic.com> <20081229224003.GB21859@jg>
Message-ID: <495A1F88.4090401@tedpavlic.com>

>> 	:set noloadplugins
>> 	:set runtimepath=~/.vimperator
>> 	:loadplugins
>>
>> I use this RC file on several systems, some of which run Windows. The
>> Windows machines have my shared profile loaded on the Z:\ drive, and
>> that's where I have Z:\.vimperatorrc.
>
> You don't need to do anything other than set rtp.

My problem is that:

a) I want use a single .vimperatorrc on all machines
b) On the Mac (and UNIX) machines, I want rtp to be ~/.vimperator
c) On the Windows machines, I want rtp to be Z:/.vimperator

There's no way to accomplish a, b, and c without setting a 
VIMPERATOR_HOME environment variable. Unfortunately, because MacOS is a 
NextStep/OpenStep derivative, setting environment variables that Firefox 
sees is tedious (it requires me editing a special "plist" file and then 
logging out of the GUI).

It would be helpful if Vimperator looked for its RC file in 
VIMPERATOR_HOME, and VIMEPRATOR_HOME defaulted to ~.

Alternatively, if VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME got *set* by Vimperator, then I 
could put my .vimperatorrc *inside* VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME and use it like a 
surrogate vimp_home.

--Ted



-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Tue Dec 30 07:12:59 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:12:59 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Correction: How to use environment variables in RC
In-Reply-To: <495A1F88.4090401@tedpavlic.com>
References: 
	<644fc65e0812120539j923945cmc5437c91d8afb4f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<494276AF.3060305@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<494290CE.2010104@tedpavlic.com> <49429340.2090208@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081212192813.GA9465@jg.home> <49592D69.3050503@tedpavlic.com>
	<49593725.6040908@tedpavlic.com> <20081229224003.GB21859@jg>
	<495A1F88.4090401@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <495A3A7B.4030309@tedpavlic.com>

>>> 	:set noloadplugins
>>> 	:set runtimepath=~/.vimperator
>>> 	:loadplugins
>>>
>>> I use this RC file on several systems, some of which run Windows. The
>>> Windows machines have my shared profile loaded on the Z:\ drive, and
>>> that's where I have Z:\.vimperatorrc.
>> You don't need to do anything other than set rtp.

In retrospect, I can change those three lines to

:set noloadplugins
:loadplugins

and set RTP via the environment variable. That fixes all of my problems. 
I should have seen that earlier. :(

--Ted



-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From roach.list at gmail.com  Tue Dec 30 11:53:09 2008
From: roach.list at gmail.com (Robert Spencer)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:53:09 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Multiple versions of Firefox on Mac OS X
Message-ID: <8b8c4c740812301153h7c93910cv92cd31a9feb6efa2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'd like to try out Vimperator, but haven't figured out how to have
multiple versions of Firefox on Mac OS X. I've Googled and only found
unsatisfactory or incomplete instructions.

Ciao.

-- 
Robert Spencer

From nemolivier at gmail.com  Tue Dec 30 12:07:30 2008
From: nemolivier at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Olivier_Gu=C3=A9ry?=)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:07:30 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Multiple versions of Firefox on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <8b8c4c740812301153h7c93910cv92cd31a9feb6efa2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b8c4c740812301153h7c93910cv92cd31a9feb6efa2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c2c86e70812301207l3ae1edb8q6f07b91521226f1f@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/30 Robert Spencer :
> Hi all,
>
> I'd like to try out Vimperator, but haven't figured out how to have
> multiple versions of Firefox on Mac OS X. I've Googled and only found
> unsatisfactory or incomplete instructions.

Why using multiple version of firefox in order to try vimperator ?

Did you try : firefox -ProfileManager

Olivier.

> Ciao.
>
> --
> Robert Spencer
> _______________________________________________
> Vimperator mailing list
> Vimperator at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>



-- 
[Message tap? sur un clavier B?po : http://www.clavier-dvorak.org ]
http://nemolivier.blogspot.com

From ted at tedpavlic.com  Tue Dec 30 13:36:29 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:36:29 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Multiple versions of Firefox on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <5c2c86e70812301207l3ae1edb8q6f07b91521226f1f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b8c4c740812301153h7c93910cv92cd31a9feb6efa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70812301207l3ae1edb8q6f07b91521226f1f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <495A945D.9000108@tedpavlic.com>

It's a little more complicated for MacOS users. He should try:

/Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox-bin -ProfileManager

(actually, you can probably get rid of that "-bin"). To make this 
easier, adding:

alias firefox=/Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox-bin

Makes your usage possible.

(NOTE: Make sure you have QUIT existing instances of Firefox before 
running the above commands)

--Ted

On 12/30/08 3:07 PM, Olivier Gu?ry wrote:
> 2008/12/30 Robert Spencer:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'd like to try out Vimperator, but haven't figured out how to have
>> multiple versions of Firefox on Mac OS X. I've Googled and only found
>> unsatisfactory or incomplete instructions.
>
> Why using multiple version of firefox in order to try vimperator ?
>
> Did you try : firefox -ProfileManager
>
> Olivier.
>
>> Ciao.
>>
>> --
>> Robert Spencer
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vimperator mailing list
>> Vimperator at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/vimperator
>>
>
>
>

-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Tue Dec 30 16:57:59 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:57:59 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Correction: How to use environment variables in RC
In-Reply-To: <495A3A7B.4030309@tedpavlic.com>
References: <494276AF.3060305@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<494290CE.2010104@tedpavlic.com> <49429340.2090208@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081212192813.GA9465@jg.home> <49592D69.3050503@tedpavlic.com>
	<49593725.6040908@tedpavlic.com> <20081229224003.GB21859@jg>
	<495A1F88.4090401@tedpavlic.com> <495A3A7B.4030309@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <20081231005759.GA21536@jg.home>

On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:12:59AM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> In retrospect, I can change those three lines to
>
> :set noloadplugins
> :loadplugins
>
> and set RTP via the environment variable. That fixes all of my problems.  
> I should have seen that earlier. :(

Those lines essentially cancel each other out. You need neither.

-- 
Kris Maglione

It has been said that the great scientific disciplines are examples of
giants standing on the shoulders of other giants.  It has also been
said that the software industry is an example of midgets standing on
the toes of other midgets.
	--Alan Cooper


From ted at tedpavlic.com  Tue Dec 30 17:45:22 2008
From: ted at tedpavlic.com (Ted Pavlic)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:45:22 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Correction: How to use environment variables in RC
In-Reply-To: <20081231005759.GA21536@jg.home>
References: <494276AF.3060305@tedpavlic.com>
	
	<494290CE.2010104@tedpavlic.com> <49429340.2090208@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081212192813.GA9465@jg.home> <49592D69.3050503@tedpavlic.com>
	<49593725.6040908@tedpavlic.com> <20081229224003.GB21859@jg>
	<495A1F88.4090401@tedpavlic.com> <495A3A7B.4030309@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081231005759.GA21536@jg.home>
Message-ID: <495ACEB2.4040201@tedpavlic.com>

>> :set noloadplugins
>> :loadplugins
>>
>> and set RTP via the environment variable. That fixes all of my problems.
>> I should have seen that earlier. :(
>
> Those lines essentially cancel each other out. You need neither.

On both my Mac and Windows systems, plugins appear to load *after* the 
vimperatorrc. I'm guessing that this works this way so that I have the 
opportunity to change rtp in my .vimperatorrc.

As a consequence, the line

:set pageinfo+=hH

will not work because the plugin that adds the "h" and "H" options is 
not loaded. So I have to

:set noloadplugins

to ensure the plugins don't load after .vimperatorrc, and then I have to

:loadplugins

to get them to load before .vimperatorrc.

Now that we have a VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME, perhaps we could change plugins 
to load before the RC file.

--Ted


-- 
Ted Pavlic 

From jona.hunt777 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 30 21:12:03 2008
From: jona.hunt777 at gmail.com (Hunt Jon)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:12:03 +0900
Subject: [Vimperator] Changing the size of status bar
Message-ID: <5e1f1f1f0812302112n607c444as41b5a0dc3a255b00@mail.gmail.com>

Hi - I would like to change the size of (a) the status bar, which
shows the URL and other various messages and (b) the bar where users
type in commands.

I make them a little bigger. I'm trying to find a solution, but I
couldn't find it.

Any help would be appreciated.

John.

From dpb at driftaway.org  Wed Dec 31 03:45:12 2008
From: dpb at driftaway.org (Daniel Bainton)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:45:12 +0200
Subject: [Vimperator] Multiple versions of Firefox on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <495A945D.9000108@tedpavlic.com>
References: <8b8c4c740812301153h7c93910cv92cd31a9feb6efa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c2c86e70812301207l3ae1edb8q6f07b91521226f1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<495A945D.9000108@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: 

2008/12/30 Ted Pavlic :
> It's a little more complicated for MacOS users. He should try:
>
> /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox-bin -ProfileManager
>
> (actually, you can probably get rid of that "-bin"). To make this easier,
> adding:
>
> alias firefox=/Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox-bin
>
> Makes your usage possible.
>
> (NOTE: Make sure you have QUIT existing instances of Firefox before running
> the above commands)

Or use 'firefox -no-remote -ProfileManager'. No need to quit all instances..

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Dec 31 03:52:58 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:52:58 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Restoring Cntrl+I from foreign JavaScript changes
In-Reply-To: <4956B1F9.3020701@tedpavlic.com>
References: <49453032.6060602@tedpavlic.com> <4956B1F9.3020701@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <495B5D1A.4010006@vimperator.org>

On 12/27/2008 11:53 PM, Ted Pavlic wrote:

> A solution to this Mac OS X-specific problem is described here:
> 
> http://vimperator.org/trac/ticket/102
> 
> The problem is that Firefox defaults to opening access keys with CNTRL 
> rather than CNTRL+SHIFT or ALT+SHIFT, and so pages (like Wikipedia edit 
> pagse) that have elements with elements that have an "i" access key 
> prevent ^I from launching the external editor. Setting the access key 
> behavior to the UNIX-style behavior:
> 
> :set! ui.key.contentAccess=3
> 
> fixes the problem (but access keys are then triggered by CNTRL+SHIFT).


That would be make a good FAQ entry for the homepage.

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Dec 31 04:25:50 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:25:50 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Correction: How to use environment variables in RC
In-Reply-To: <495ACEB2.4040201@tedpavlic.com>
References: <494276AF.3060305@tedpavlic.com>		<494290CE.2010104@tedpavlic.com>
	<49429340.2090208@tedpavlic.com>	<20081212192813.GA9465@jg.home>
	<49592D69.3050503@tedpavlic.com>	<49593725.6040908@tedpavlic.com>
	<20081229224003.GB21859@jg>	<495A1F88.4090401@tedpavlic.com>
	<495A3A7B.4030309@tedpavlic.com>	<20081231005759.GA21536@jg.home>
	<495ACEB2.4040201@tedpavlic.com>
Message-ID: <495B64CE.4030405@vimperator.org>

On 12/31/2008 02:45 AM, Ted Pavlic wrote:

>>> :set noloadplugins
>>> :loadplugins
>>>
>>> and set RTP via the environment variable. That fixes all of my problems.
>>> I should have seen that earlier. :(
>>
>> Those lines essentially cancel each other out. You need neither.
> 
> On both my Mac and Windows systems, plugins appear to load *after* the 
> vimperatorrc. I'm guessing that this works this way so that I have the 
> opportunity to change rtp in my .vimperatorrc.
> 
> As a consequence, the line
> 
> :set pageinfo+=hH
> 
> will not work because the plugin that adds the "h" and "H" options is 
> not loaded. So I have to
> 
> :set noloadplugins
> 
> to ensure the plugins don't load after .vimperatorrc, and then I have to
> 
> :loadplugins
> 
> to get them to load before .vimperatorrc.
> 
> Now that we have a VIMPERATOR_RUNTIME, perhaps we could change plugins 
> to load before the RC file.


Yeah, that's why we have :loadplugins, but yeah, it's quite a hack.
I am not sure which is the best way to solve the issue, when plugins add
options.

From maxauthority at vimperator.org  Wed Dec 31 04:26:46 2008
From: maxauthority at vimperator.org (Martin Stubenschrott)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:26:46 +0100
Subject: [Vimperator] Changing the size of status bar
In-Reply-To: <5e1f1f1f0812302112n607c444as41b5a0dc3a255b00@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5e1f1f1f0812302112n607c444as41b5a0dc3a255b00@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <495B6506.6040500@vimperator.org>

On 12/31/2008 06:12 AM, Hunt Jon wrote:

> Hi - I would like to change the size of (a) the status bar, which
> shows the URL and other various messages and (b) the bar where users
> type in commands.
> 
> I make them a little bigger. I'm trying to find a solution, but I
> couldn't find it.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.


Vimperator 2.0 alpha2 supports a :highlight command, which can be used
for that.

From maglione.k at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 07:15:02 2008
From: maglione.k at gmail.com (Kris Maglione)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:15:02 -0500
Subject: [Vimperator] Correction: How to use environment variables in RC
In-Reply-To: <495ACEB2.4040201@tedpavlic.com>
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On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 08:45:22PM -0500, Ted Pavlic wrote:
> to ensure the plugins don't load after .vimperatorrc, and then I have to
>
> :loadplugins
>
> to get them to load before .vimperatorrc.

You said that you had it at the end of your .vimperatorrc. You 
don't need to set noloadplugins. Plugins are never loaded twice.

-- 
Kris Maglione

The computing scientist's main challenge is not to get confused by the
complexities of his own making.
	--Edsger W. Dijkstra


