From brian at mozdev.org  Thu Oct  1 00:56:10 2009
From: brian at mozdev.org (Brian King)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 09:56:10 +0200
Subject: [Project_owners] Download link for Thunderbird add-on
In-Reply-To: <4AB933D8.8080205@gmx.de>
References: <4AB933D8.8080205@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <4AC4609A.7030306@mozdev.org>

Joachim Herb wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have published two add-ons for Thunderbird. If you click on a link
> pointing to the download address in Firefox, it tries to install the
> add-on. How can I avoid this? It would be much better if the usual
> download dialog opens.
>
> Example: http://compactheader.mozdev.org/installation.html pointing to
> http://downloads.mozdev.org/compactheader/CompactHeader-0.7.3.xpi

Yes, we should have a mechanism for TB like AMO does.

e.g.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/2313

-- 
Brian King
Need Mozilla Project Hosting?
http://mozdev.org

From doug at mozdev.org  Thu Oct  1 04:33:24 2009
From: doug at mozdev.org (Doug Warner)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:33:24 -0400
Subject: [Project_owners] Download link for Thunderbird add-on
In-Reply-To: <4AC4609A.7030306@mozdev.org>
References: <4AB933D8.8080205@gmx.de> <4AC4609A.7030306@mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <4AC49384.4040608@mozdev.org>

On 10/01/2009 03:56 AM, Brian King wrote:
> Joachim Herb wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have published two add-ons for Thunderbird. If you click on a link
>> pointing to the download address in Firefox, it tries to install the
>> add-on. How can I avoid this? It would be much better if the usual
>> download dialog opens.
>>
>> Example: http://compactheader.mozdev.org/installation.html pointing to
>> http://downloads.mozdev.org/compactheader/CompactHeader-0.7.3.xpi
> 
> Yes, we should have a mechanism for TB like AMO does.
> 
> e.g.
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/2313
> 

Brian,

You mean the pop-up that says to "save link as"?

-Doug

-- 
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Mozdev.org     http://www.mozdev.org

From o.e.ekker at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 11:53:39 2009
From: o.e.ekker at gmail.com (Onno Ekker)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:53:39 +0200
Subject: [Project_owners] Download link for Thunderbird add-on
In-Reply-To: <4AB933D8.8080205@gmx.de>
References: <4AB933D8.8080205@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <4AC4FAB3.2010301@gmail.com>

On 22-9-2009 22:30, Joachim Herb wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have published two add-ons for Thunderbird. If you click on a link
> pointing to the download address in Firefox, it tries to install the
> add-on. How can I avoid this? It would be much better if the usual
> download dialog opens.
>
> Example: http://compactheader.mozdev.org/installation.html pointing to
> http://downloads.mozdev.org/compactheader/CompactHeader-0.7.3.xpi
>

I do this for my downloads by linking to a small php script that adds a
header: content-disposition: attachment.
You can see the script here:
http://www.mozdev.org/source/browse/forward/www/download.php

Onno

From Joachim.Herb at gmx.de  Thu Oct  1 16:29:27 2009
From: Joachim.Herb at gmx.de (Joachim Herb)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:29:27 +0200
Subject: [Project_owners] Download link for Thunderbird add-on
In-Reply-To: <4AC4FAB3.2010301@gmail.com>
References: <4AB933D8.8080205@gmx.de> <4AC4FAB3.2010301@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC53B57.9060704@gmx.de>

Thank you very much. That's exactly what I was looking for.
Joachim

On 01.10.2009 20:53, Onno Ekker wrote:
> On 22-9-2009 22:30, Joachim Herb wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have published two add-ons for Thunderbird. If you click on a link
>> pointing to the download address in Firefox, it tries to install the
>> add-on. How can I avoid this? It would be much better if the usual
>> download dialog opens.
>>
>> Example: http://compactheader.mozdev.org/installation.html pointing to
>> http://downloads.mozdev.org/compactheader/CompactHeader-0.7.3.xpi
>>
>
> I do this for my downloads by linking to a small php script that adds a
> header: content-disposition: attachment.
> You can see the script here:
> http://www.mozdev.org/source/browse/forward/www/download.php
>
> Onno
> _______________________________________________
> Project_owners mailing list
> Project_owners at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
>

From brian at mozdev.org  Fri Oct  2 08:20:01 2009
From: brian at mozdev.org (Brian King)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:20:01 +0200
Subject: [Project_owners] Download link for Thunderbird add-on
In-Reply-To: <4AC49384.4040608@mozdev.org>
References: <4AB933D8.8080205@gmx.de> <4AC4609A.7030306@mozdev.org>
	<4AC49384.4040608@mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <4AC61A21.9080406@mozdev.org>

Doug Warner wrote:
> You mean the pop-up that says to "save link as"?

Not sure what you are seeing, but what I mean is that when you click on 
the XPI link in Firefox, it does not trigger install but defaults to 
download. It is like the mime type is conditionally not set on those pages.

-- 
Brian King
Need Mozilla Project Hosting?
http://mozdev.org

From axel.grude at googlemail.com  Thu Oct  1 13:41:22 2009
From: axel.grude at googlemail.com (Axel)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:41:22 +0100
Subject: [Project_owners] Download link for Thunderbird add-on
In-Reply-To: <4AB933D8.8080205@gmx.de>
References: <4AB933D8.8080205@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <4AC513F2.6050804@gmail.com>

Hello!

What I would like is that the developer links on the TB extensions page
would not constantly link back to Firefox pages. Unfortunately the
Firefox extensions are way to prominent within the TB area, which is
kind of unfair as there are way more Firefox users...

Are the Firefox extensions downloaded on the FX pages also counted for
the TB count or are these separate counts?

Also, on the statistics pages for TB extensions there are (by default)
FX events - no TB events? I mean to see the TB beta release dates (and
how they correlate with downloads) would be really nice. Another thing
with the statistics is they do not remember the graphs if you change the
period of time (e.g. when comparing versions).

just a few notes,
  Axel
> Hello,
>
> I have published two add-ons for Thunderbird. If you click on a link
> pointing to the download address in Firefox, it tries to install the
> add-on. How can I avoid this? It would be much better if the usual
> download dialog opens.
>
> Example: http://compactheader.mozdev.org/installation.html pointing to
> http://downloads.mozdev.org/compactheader/CompactHeader-0.7.3.xpi
>
> Thank you
> Joachim
> _______________________________________________
> Project_owners mailing list
> Project_owners at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
>


-- 

==================================
Axel Grude
Senior Software Developer
GenBase Solutions Ltd
Registered in Ireland, No. 317957
Registered address:  Parkmore Business Park West, Galway.
www.genbase.ie
phone: 091 746 965
==================================

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From axel.grude at googlemail.com  Thu Oct  1 14:07:43 2009
From: axel.grude at googlemail.com (Axel)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:07:43 +0100
Subject: [Project_owners] Question about Extension
Message-ID: <4AC51A1F.70305@gmail.com>

Hello,

2 questions

I am trying to get in touch with the owner of Zombiekeys (Kai Bolay
<https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/user/10396>) as I would
like to add some features and bump up the version for TB3 and FX3.5 -
the last update was on May 8, 2007. I have tried his email address on
the members list but the mail bounced back.

Is there any other way I can get in touch with the author of this plugin
- does anybody on this list know him?


Also, I have revently released a new version of QuickFolders (1.5pre1)
and it was thankfully reviewed very quickly. I found & fixed one major
bug the next day and uploaded 1.5pre2, is there any way I can mark the
previous version as experimental, without marking the whole extension as
experimental? I would rather have users download the older 1.2 so they
avoid the disappointment of encountering the bug (Sticky menus) in
1.5pre1...


regards
  Axel
-- 

==================================
Axel Grude
Senior Software Developer
GenBase Solutions Ltd
Registered in Ireland, No. 317957
Registered address:  Parkmore Business Park West, Galway.
www.genbase.ie
phone: 091 746 965
==================================

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From Joachim.Herb at gmx.de  Fri Oct  2 09:40:31 2009
From: Joachim.Herb at gmx.de (Joachim Herb)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:40:31 +0200
Subject: [Project_owners] Download link for Thunderbird add-on
In-Reply-To: <4AC61A21.9080406@mozdev.org>
References: <4AB933D8.8080205@gmx.de>
	<4AC4609A.7030306@mozdev.org>	<4AC49384.4040608@mozdev.org>
	<4AC61A21.9080406@mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <4AC62CFF.9050409@gmx.de>

Here is how you can use the script by Onno:

Replace your direct link to download.mozdev.org in something like 
youraddon.mozdev.org/download/addon.xpi

Here is what I changed:
<a 
href="http://downloads.mozdev.org/compactheader/CompactHeader-0.8.3.xpi">Version 
0.8.3 of CompactHeader</a>

to

<a 
href="http://compactheader.mozdev.org/download.php/CompactHeader-0.8.3.xpi">Version 
0.8.3 of CompactHeader</a>

When you now click on the link you start a download process and not an 
installation process.

(You have to place the download.php script in your www directory)

On 02.10.2009 17:20, Brian King wrote:
> Doug Warner wrote:
>> You mean the pop-up that says to "save link as"?
>
> Not sure what you are seeing, but what I mean is that when you click on
> the XPI link in Firefox, it does not trigger install but defaults to
> download. It is like the mime type is conditionally not set on those pages.
>

From Joachim.Herb at gmx.de  Fri Oct  2 09:42:17 2009
From: Joachim.Herb at gmx.de (Joachim Herb)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:42:17 +0200
Subject: [Project_owners] Download link for Thunderbird add-on
In-Reply-To: <4AC513F2.6050804@gmail.com>
References: <4AB933D8.8080205@gmx.de> <4AC513F2.6050804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC62D69.4000009@gmx.de>

Hello,

are you taking about mozdev.org or addons.mozilla.org? For the latter 
this is the wrong mailing list. It's about mozdev.org.

On 01.10.2009 22:41, Axel wrote:
> Hello!
>
> What I would like is that the developer links on the TB extensions page
> would not constantly link back to Firefox pages. Unfortunately the
> Firefox extensions are way to prominent within the TB area, which is
> kind of unfair as there are way more Firefox users...
>
> Are the Firefox extensions downloaded on the FX pages also counted for
> the TB count or are these separate counts?
>
> Also, on the statistics pages for TB extensions there are (by default)
> FX events - no TB events? I mean to see the TB beta release dates (and
> how they correlate with downloads) would be really nice. Another thing
> with the statistics is they do not remember the graphs if you change the
> period of time (e.g. when comparing versions).
>
> just a few notes,
> Axel
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have published two add-ons for Thunderbird. If you click on a link
>> pointing to the download address in Firefox, it tries to install the
>> add-on. How can I avoid this? It would be much better if the usual
>> download dialog opens.
>>
>> Example: http://compactheader.mozdev.org/installation.html pointing to
>> http://downloads.mozdev.org/compactheader/CompactHeader-0.7.3.xpi
>>
>> Thank you
>> Joachim
>> _______________________________________________
>> Project_owners mailing list
>> Project_owners at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
>>
>
>
> --
>
> ==================================
> Axel Grude
> Senior Software Developer
> GenBase Solutions Ltd
> Registered in Ireland, No. 317957
> Registered address:  Parkmore Business Park West, Galway.
> www.genbase.ie
> phone: 091 746 965
> ==================================
>
> sig:try  <http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/>   *firefox*. it supports www standards better!
>
> disclaimer: personal opinion, not my employer's
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Project_owners mailing list
> Project_owners at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners

From eric.jung at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  2 09:55:32 2009
From: eric.jung at yahoo.com (Eric Jung)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:55:32 -0400
Subject: [Project_owners] Question about Extension
In-Reply-To: <4AC51A1F.70305@gmail.com>
References: <4AC51A1F.70305@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a392ae8d0910020955x2b262bdo456489808895448d@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Axel <axel.grude at googlemail.com> wrote:

>  Hello,
>
> 2 questions
>
> I am trying to get in touch with the owner of Zombiekeys (Kai Bolay<https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/user/10396>)
> as I would like to add some features and bump up the version for TB3 and
> FX3.5 - the last update was on May 8, 2007. I have tried his email address
> on the members list but the mail bounced back.
>
> Is there any other way I can get in touch with the author of this plugin -
> does anybody on this list know him?
>


You can initiate the project take-over process if you like.


>
>
> Also, I have revently released a new version of QuickFolders (1.5pre1) and
> it was thankfully reviewed very quickly. I found & fixed one major bug the
> next day and uploaded 1.5pre2, is there any way I can mark the previous
> version as experimental, without marking the whole extension as
> experimental? I would rather have users download the older 1.2 so they avoid
> the disappointment of encountering the bug (Sticky menus) in 1.5pre1...
>


I reviewed your new version and made it public.

Eric
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From eric.jung at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  2 12:58:24 2009
From: eric.jung at yahoo.com (Eric Jung)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:58:24 -0400
Subject: [Project_owners] Question about Extension
In-Reply-To: <4AC65307.4010509@gmail.com>
References: <4AC51A1F.70305@gmail.com>
	<a392ae8d0910020955x2b262bdo456489808895448d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC65307.4010509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a392ae8d0910021258s4dde3298p503c53806e3a7b67@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Axel <axel.grude at googlemail.com> wrote:

>   Wow, can I do that without the consent of the author? its new to me...
> is there a link I go to for taking it over?
>

The policy is here:
http://www.mozdev.org/projects/adoption.html
Note this is only for the mozdev side of things. It doesn't handle adoption
of the AMO side of things. I don't think AMO has an adoption policy
currently. I'll look into that for you.


> thanks very much, you're brilliant!
>

You're welcome.

eric
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From eric.jung at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  2 13:10:06 2009
From: eric.jung at yahoo.com (Eric Jung)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:10:06 -0400
Subject: [Project_owners] Question about Extension
In-Reply-To: <a392ae8d0910021258s4dde3298p503c53806e3a7b67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC51A1F.70305@gmail.com>
	<a392ae8d0910020955x2b262bdo456489808895448d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC65307.4010509@gmail.com>
	<a392ae8d0910021258s4dde3298p503c53806e3a7b67@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a392ae8d0910021310i6edc6b18k37c37d2ddb178d69@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Eric Jung <eric.jung at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> The policy is here:
> http://www.mozdev.org/projects/adoption.html
> Note this is only for the mozdev side of things. It doesn't handle adoption
> of the AMO side of things. I don't think AMO has an adoption policy
> currently. I'll look into that for you.
>

Presently, the only way to do this on AMO is to be granting permission by
the current owner.
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From philip at aleytys.pc.my  Fri Oct  2 20:45:51 2009
From: philip at aleytys.pc.my (Philip Chee)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 11:45:51 +0800
Subject: [Project_owners] Question about Extension
In-Reply-To: <mailman.184.1254513515.85486.project_owners@mozdev.org>
References: <4AC51A1F.70305@gmail.com>	<a392ae8d0910020955x2b262bdo456489808895448d@mail.gmail.com>	<4AC65307.4010509@gmail.com>
	<mailman.184.1254513515.85486.project_owners@mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <ha6hah$18oo$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>

On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:58:24 -0400, Eric Jung wrote:

> The policy is here:
> http://www.mozdev.org/projects/adoption.html
> Note this is only for the mozdev side of things. It doesn't handle adoption
> of the AMO side of things. I don't think AMO has an adoption policy
> currently. I'll look into that for you.

I recently asked hijax about this (there is an open bug actually[1]) but
the answer seems to be "it's still up in the air".

By the way, will AMO recognize a mozdev project takeover/adoption if the
extension is a mozdev project but also hosted on AMO? It would be silly
if two different people took over an extension, one on AMO and another
one on mozdev.

[1] <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=278234>

Phil

-- 
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http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org
Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief,
oh Night, and so be good for us to pass.


From eric.jung at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  2 20:52:59 2009
From: eric.jung at yahoo.com (Eric Jung)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 23:52:59 -0400
Subject: [Project_owners] Question about Extension
In-Reply-To: <ha6hah$18oo$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
References: <4AC51A1F.70305@gmail.com>
	<a392ae8d0910020955x2b262bdo456489808895448d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC65307.4010509@gmail.com>
	<mailman.184.1254513515.85486.project_owners@mozdev.org>
	<ha6hah$18oo$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
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On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Philip Chee <philip at aleytys.pc.my> wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:58:24 -0400, Eric Jung wrote:
>
> > The policy is here:
> > http://www.mozdev.org/projects/adoption.html
>

Jesper Hansen mentioned an important point which we should consider. Some
projects on mozdev only release their source code with an open-source
license. Their website, documentation, graphics, name, logo, etc. aren't
freely redistributable. Does this mean those projects don't apply to the
adoption policy?


> > Note this is only for the mozdev side of things. It doesn't handle
> adoption
> > of the AMO side of things. I don't think AMO has an adoption policy
> > currently. I'll look into that for you.
>
> I recently asked hijax about this (there is an open bug actually[1]) but
> the answer seems to be "it's still up in the air".
>
> By the way, will AMO recognize a mozdev project takeover/adoption if the
> extension is a mozdev project but also hosted on AMO? It would be silly
> if two different people took over an extension, one on AMO and another
> one on mozdev.
>
>
There is no such recognition, and yes, that would be silly. Could you raise
it in the bug you mention?
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From jesper at heroes-addon.dk  Fri Oct  2 21:04:37 2009
From: jesper at heroes-addon.dk (Jesper Staun Hansen)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 06:04:37 +0200
Subject: [Project_owners] Question about Extension
In-Reply-To: <a392ae8d0910022052r33a189bco8e1aeb4ebac151a4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC51A1F.70305@gmail.com>
	<a392ae8d0910020955x2b262bdo456489808895448d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC65307.4010509@gmail.com>
	<mailman.184.1254513515.85486.project_owners@mozdev.org>
	<ha6hah$18oo$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
	<a392ae8d0910022052r33a189bco8e1aeb4ebac151a4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fe18963f0910022104xee12b77sfefffd6997e60ca9@mail.gmail.com>

Didn't even get to complete my mail writing before you wrote it.
But yea, that's pretty much the question.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 5:52 AM, Eric Jung <eric.jung at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Philip Chee <philip at aleytys.pc.my> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:58:24 -0400, Eric Jung wrote:
>>
>> > The policy is here:
>> > http://www.mozdev.org/projects/adoption.html
>>
>
> Jesper Hansen mentioned an important point which we should consider. Some
> projects on mozdev only release their source code with an open-source
> license. Their website, documentation, graphics, name, logo, etc. aren't
> freely redistributable. Does this mean those projects don't apply to the
> adoption policy?
>
>
>> > Note this is only for the mozdev side of things. It doesn't handle
>> adoption
>> > of the AMO side of things. I don't think AMO has an adoption policy
>> > currently. I'll look into that for you.
>>
>> I recently asked hijax about this (there is an open bug actually[1]) but
>> the answer seems to be "it's still up in the air".
>>
>> By the way, will AMO recognize a mozdev project takeover/adoption if the
>> extension is a mozdev project but also hosted on AMO? It would be silly
>> if two different people took over an extension, one on AMO and another
>> one on mozdev.
>>
>>
> There is no such recognition, and yes, that would be silly. Could you raise
> it in the bug you mention?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Project_owners mailing list
> Project_owners at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
>
>
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From eric.jung at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  2 21:09:31 2009
From: eric.jung at yahoo.com (Eric Jung)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 00:09:31 -0400
Subject: [Project_owners] Question about Extension
In-Reply-To: <a392ae8d0910022052r33a189bco8e1aeb4ebac151a4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC51A1F.70305@gmail.com>
	<a392ae8d0910020955x2b262bdo456489808895448d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC65307.4010509@gmail.com>
	<mailman.184.1254513515.85486.project_owners@mozdev.org>
	<ha6hah$18oo$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
	<a392ae8d0910022052r33a189bco8e1aeb4ebac151a4@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Eric Jung <eric.jung at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> Jesper Hansen mentioned an important point which we should consider. Some
> projects on mozdev only release their source code with an open-source
> license. Their website, documentation, graphics, name, logo, etc. aren't
> freely redistributable. Does this mean those projects don't apply to the
> adoption policy?
>
>

Nevermind. #5 in that link already addresses it:

The new project owner must read the mozdev copyright policy at
http://www.mozdev.org/copyright.html. He should understand that certain
project pages and materials may not be eligible for adoption because they
are not open-source licensed. mozdev has no power to assign or reassign any
copyrights.
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From jesper at heroes-addon.dk  Fri Oct  2 21:27:24 2009
From: jesper at heroes-addon.dk (Jesper Staun Hansen)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 06:27:24 +0200
Subject: [Project_owners] Question about Extension
In-Reply-To: <a392ae8d0910022109yea0c30ema9383bab46b788c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC51A1F.70305@gmail.com>
	<a392ae8d0910020955x2b262bdo456489808895448d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AC65307.4010509@gmail.com>
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On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Eric Jung <eric.jung at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Eric Jung <eric.jung at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Jesper Hansen mentioned an important point which we should consider. Some
>> projects on mozdev only release their source code with an open-source
>> license. Their website, documentation, graphics, name, logo, etc. aren't
>> freely redistributable. Does this mean those projects don't apply to the
>> adoption policy?
>>
>>
>
> Nevermind. #5 in that link already addresses it:
>
> The new project owner must read the mozdev copyright policy at
> http://www.mozdev.org/copyright.html. He should understand that certain
> project pages and materials may not be eligible for adoption because they
> are not open-source licensed. mozdev has no power to assign or reassign any
> copyrights.
>
>
Was looking over MPL, GPL, LGPL (tri-license) and I can't find some pointer
to project adoption.
Only found that a person is allowed to make whatever changes he/she would
like and redistribute it with a different name and a name reference to the
original author.
Any hints?
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From axel.grude at googlemail.com  Fri Oct  2 12:22:47 2009
From: axel.grude at googlemail.com (Axel)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:22:47 +0100
Subject: [Project_owners] Question about Extension
In-Reply-To: <a392ae8d0910020955x2b262bdo456489808895448d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC51A1F.70305@gmail.com>
	<a392ae8d0910020955x2b262bdo456489808895448d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC65307.4010509@gmail.com>

Eric Jung wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Axel <axel.grude at googlemail.com
> <mailto:axel.grude at googlemail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hello,
>
>     2 questions
>
>     I am trying to get in touch with the owner of Zombiekeys (Kai
>     Bolay <https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/user/10396>)
>     as I would like to add some features and bump up the version for
>     TB3 and FX3.5 - the last update was on May 8, 2007. I have tried
>     his email address on the members list but the mail bounced back.
>
>     Is there any other way I can get in touch with the author of this
>     plugin - does anybody on this list know him?
>
>
>
> You can initiate the project take-over process if you like.
Wow, can I do that without the consent of the author? its new to me...
is there a link I go to for taking it over?
>  
>
>
>
>     Also, I have revently released a new version of QuickFolders
>     (1.5pre1) and it was thankfully reviewed very quickly. I found &
>     fixed one major bug the next day and uploaded 1.5pre2, is there
>     any way I can mark the previous version as experimental, without
>     marking the whole extension as experimental? I would rather have
>     users download the older 1.2 so they avoid the disappointment of
>     encountering the bug (Sticky menus) in 1.5pre1...
>
>
>
> I reviewed your new version and made it public.
thanks very much, you're brilliant!
Axel

>
> Eric
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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>   


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GenBase Solutions Ltd
Registered in Ireland, No. 317957
Registered address:  Parkmore Business Park West, Galway.
www.genbase.ie
phone: 091 746 965
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From axel.grude at googlemail.com  Sat Oct  3 03:13:49 2009
From: axel.grude at googlemail.com (Axel)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 11:13:49 +0100
Subject: [Project_owners] Question about Extension
In-Reply-To: <fe18963f0910022127x66539c92u86d2b09572eb370c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC51A1F.70305@gmail.com>	<a392ae8d0910020955x2b262bdo456489808895448d@mail.gmail.com>	<4AC65307.4010509@gmail.com>	<mailman.184.1254513515.85486.project_owners@mozdev.org>	<ha6hah$18oo$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>	<a392ae8d0910022052r33a189bco8e1aeb4ebac151a4@mail.gmail.com>	<a392ae8d0910022109yea0c30ema9383bab46b788c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<fe18963f0910022127x66539c92u86d2b09572eb370c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC723DD.1080306@gmail.com>


>
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Eric Jung <eric.jung at yahoo.com
> <mailto:eric.jung at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
>     On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Eric Jung <eric.jung at yahoo.com
>     <mailto:eric.jung at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
>         Jesper Hansen mentioned an important point which we should
>         consider. Some projects on mozdev only release their source
>         code with an open-source license. Their website,
>         documentation, graphics, name, logo, etc. aren't freely
>         redistributable. Does this mean those projects don't apply to
>         the adoption policy?
>          
>
>      
>     Nevermind. #5 in that link already addresses it:
>
>     The new project owner must read the mozdev copyright policy at
>     http://www.mozdev.org/copyright.html. He should understand that
>     certain project pages and materials may not be eligible for
>     adoption because they are not open-source licensed. mozdev has no
>     power to assign or reassign any copyrights.
>      
>
> Was looking over MPL, GPL, LGPL (tri-license) and I can't find some
> pointer to project adoption.
> Only found that a person is allowed to make whatever changes he/she
> would like and redistribute it with a different name and a name
> reference to the original author.
> Any hints?
I have contacted mozilla.org (AMO) about the  adoption of the Zombiekey
- the process seems to be lightly less structured than the one on
Mozdev. When you go to the Mozilla.org development pages there seems to
be a bigger thrust towards supporting the Mozilla code and developing
new extensions, which leads to a cluttering of the Extensions
Eco-System. Confusing to new Mozilla users.

I understand that I have to go through 2 independent processes to adopt
the extension, which is fine with me as well. Harmonizing the takeover
process it with a common interface on the Developers toolbox and / or
the mozdev pages would certainly be a time saver and might entice more
people to take over abandoned projects.

Also it would be good if there was "temporary takeover" or "foster
parent" process based on the author not being contactable over a long
period of time, so that at least support of the extensions could
continue. Something like a whole year without updates and the author not
being contactable over more than one Month would be one possible suggestion.

thanks,
  Axel


-- 

==================================
Axel Grude
Senior Software Developer
GenBase Solutions Ltd
Registered in Ireland, No. 317957
Registered address:  Parkmore Business Park West, Galway.
www.genbase.ie
phone: 091 746 965
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From abhi777_aiwa at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  8 12:41:24 2009
From: abhi777_aiwa at yahoo.com (Abhay Mhatre)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:41:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Project_owners] How to create toolbar like firebug
Message-ID: <694732.80862.qm@web62302.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I want to create a popup panel like firebug to add some controls like firebug, I am new to xul can anyone send me example to split the screen like firebug ??ThanksAbhay?


      
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From ocramius at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 13:11:04 2009
From: ocramius at gmail.com (Marco Pivetta)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 22:11:04 +0200
Subject: [Project_owners] How to create toolbar like firebug
In-Reply-To: <694732.80862.qm@web62302.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <694732.80862.qm@web62302.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b5a086e0910081311u264f8305ydca63936d3f3b29a@mail.gmail.com>

What about the samples about creating a sidebar?
https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Creating_a_Firefox_sidebar

2009/10/8 Abhay Mhatre <abhi777_aiwa at yahoo.com>

> I want to create a popup panel like firebug to add some controls like
> firebug, I am new to xul can anyone send me example to split the screen like
> firebug ?
> Thanks
> Abhay
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Project_owners mailing list
> Project_owners at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
>
>


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From abhi777_aiwa at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 10 15:21:14 2009
From: abhi777_aiwa at yahoo.com (Abhay Mhatre)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:21:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Project_owners] How to create toolbar like firebug
In-Reply-To: <b5a086e0910081311u264f8305ydca63936d3f3b29a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63689.36598.qm@web62308.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Thank you Marco,?
Another question is it possible to access Current running Javascript class (function ) from html document.?
Let me explain.?
I am running some javascript class in window load event. I want to access this class from html document window. Is it possible ??

--- On Thu, 10/8/09, Marco Pivetta <ocramius at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Marco Pivetta <ocramius at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Project_owners] How to create toolbar like firebug
To: "Mozdev Project Owners List" <project_owners at mozdev.org>
Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 1:11 PM

What about the samples about creating a sidebar?
https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Creating_a_Firefox_sidebar

2009/10/8 Abhay Mhatre <abhi777_aiwa at yahoo.com>


I want to create a popup panel like firebug to add some controls like firebug, I am new to xul can anyone send me example to split the screen like firebug ??ThanksAbhay?



      
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Standard Ogame Project - StOgame
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From jesper at heroes-addon.dk  Sat Oct 10 15:59:27 2009
From: jesper at heroes-addon.dk (Jesper Staun Hansen)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:59:27 +0200
Subject: [Project_owners] How to create toolbar like firebug
In-Reply-To: <63689.36598.qm@web62308.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <b5a086e0910081311u264f8305ydca63936d3f3b29a@mail.gmail.com>
	<63689.36598.qm@web62308.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fe18963f0910101559l79b7d8f5s56ba889a5be50416@mail.gmail.com>

see
https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Code_snippets/Interaction_between_privileged_and_non-privileged_pages#Sending_data_from_unprivileged_document_to_chrome

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Abhay Mhatre <abhi777_aiwa at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Thank you Marco,
> Another question is it possible to access Current running Javascript class
> (function ) from html document.
>
> Let me explain.
>
> I am running some javascript class in window load event. I want to access
> this class from html document window. Is it possible ?
>
> --- On *Thu, 10/8/09, Marco Pivetta <ocramius at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Marco Pivetta <ocramius at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Project_owners] How to create toolbar like firebug
> To: "Mozdev Project Owners List" <project_owners at mozdev.org>
> Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 1:11 PM
>
>
> What about the samples about creating a sidebar?
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Creating_a_Firefox_sidebar
>
> 2009/10/8 Abhay Mhatre <abhi777_aiwa at yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=abhi777_aiwa at yahoo.com>
> >
>
>> I want to create a popup panel like firebug to add some controls like
>> firebug, I am new to xul can anyone send me example to split the screen like
>> firebug ?
>> Thanks
>> Abhay
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Project_owners mailing list
>> Project_owners at mozdev.org<http://mc/compose?to=Project_owners at mozdev.org>
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Marco Pivetta - Ocramius Aethril
> Standard Ogame Project - StOgame
> http://www.stogame.net
> Making Ogame a better place...
>
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From abhi777_aiwa at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 02:47:03 2009
From: abhi777_aiwa at yahoo.com (Abhay Mhatre)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:47:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Project_owners] How to create toolbar like firebug
In-Reply-To: <fe18963f0910101559l79b7d8f5s56ba889a5be50416@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <695006.64087.qm@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi Jesper,?Thanks for your prompt replay, but link is not working, page not exist ??

--- On Sat, 10/10/09, Jesper Staun Hansen <jesper at heroes-addon.dk> wrote:

From: Jesper Staun Hansen <jesper at heroes-addon.dk>
Subject: Re: [Project_owners] How to create toolbar like firebug
To: "Mozdev Project Owners List" <project_owners at mozdev.org>
Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 3:59 PM

see https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Code_snippets/Interaction_between_privileged_and_non-privileged_pages#Sending_data_from_unprivileged_document_to_chrome


On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Abhay Mhatre <abhi777_aiwa at yahoo.com> wrote:


Thank you Marco,?
Another question is it possible to access Current running Javascript class (function ) from html document.?
Let me explain.?
I am running some javascript class in window load event. I want to access this class from html document window. Is it possible ??


--- On Thu, 10/8/09, Marco Pivetta <ocramius at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Marco Pivetta <ocramius at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Project_owners] How to create toolbar like firebug
To: "Mozdev Project Owners List" <project_owners at mozdev.org>

Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 1:11 PM

What about the samples about creating a sidebar?
https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Creating_a_Firefox_sidebar


2009/10/8 Abhay Mhatre <abhi777_aiwa at yahoo.com>



I want to create a popup panel like firebug to add some controls like firebug, I am new to xul can anyone send me example to split the screen like firebug ??ThanksAbhay?




      
_______________________________________________

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Project_owners at mozdev.org

https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners





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Standard Ogame Project - StOgame
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From twhitema at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 15:28:47 2009
From: twhitema at gmail.com (Todd Whiteman)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:28:47 -0700
Subject: [Project_owners] Trouble with CVS commit
Message-ID: <ec041f3a0910131528p779c39c6y205a01316fb90497@mail.gmail.com>

Project: pyxpcomext

I keep recieving this error when trying to commit a large xpi (17MB):
  cvs [commit aborted]: received broken pipe signal

Is there a disk space problem on the mozdev cvs host?

Note: I've tried to commit from two different machines.

Thanks,
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From doug at mozdev.org  Tue Oct 13 15:41:22 2009
From: doug at mozdev.org (Doug Warner)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:41:22 -0400
Subject: [Project_owners] Trouble with CVS commit
In-Reply-To: <ec041f3a0910131528p779c39c6y205a01316fb90497@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ec041f3a0910131528p779c39c6y205a01316fb90497@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD50212.6030009@mozdev.org>

Todd,

This is most likely a connection timeout problem.  Is there any way you can
try to commit from a host with a faster upstream connection?  We currently
time out commits after 5 minutes.

-Doug

On 10/13/2009 06:28 PM, Todd Whiteman wrote:
> Project: pyxpcomext
> 
> I keep recieving this error when trying to commit a large xpi (17MB):
>   cvs [commit aborted]: received broken pipe signal
> 
> Is there a disk space problem on the mozdev cvs host?
> 
> Note: I've tried to commit from two different machines.


-- 
Doug Warner    <doug at mozdev.org>        Site Developer
Mozdev.org     http://www.mozdev.org

From twhitema at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 10:53:30 2009
From: twhitema at gmail.com (Todd Whiteman)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:53:30 -0700
Subject: [Project_owners] Trouble with CVS commit
In-Reply-To: <4AD50212.6030009@mozdev.org>
References: <ec041f3a0910131528p779c39c6y205a01316fb90497@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD50212.6030009@mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <4AD6101A.9060402@gmail.com>

Doug Warner wrote:
> This is most likely a connection timeout problem.  Is there any way you can
> try to commit from a host with a faster upstream connection?  We currently
> time out commits after 5 minutes.
>   

Yep that was it - committed a few hours later and it all worked 
successfully.

Thanks,
Todd


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From brian at mozdev.org  Thu Oct 22 09:14:27 2009
From: brian at mozdev.org (Brian King)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:14:27 +0200
Subject: [Project_owners] nsIDownloadManager.addListener global for all
	downloads
Message-ID: <d104dc540910220914l6717458bmca8813142a014e67@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using nsIDownloadManager in combination with nsIWebBrowserPersist to
download a file and show the download manager (code below). When I add an
nsIDownloadProgressListener (
https://developer.mozilla.org/en/nsIDownloadProgressListener) via
addListener to the download manager, the listener is used by all downloads
when I only want it to be used by the particular download that is being
processed. Any way to do that?

Note I need to use the listener to get access to the nsIDownload (
https://developer.mozilla.org/en/nsIDownload) object during download to get
information about the file.

----------------
var browserPersist = Components.classes['@
mozilla.org/embedding/browser/nsWebBrowserPersist;1'].createInstance(Components.interfaces.nsIWebBrowserPersist)
;
var dlMgr =Components.classes['@
mozilla.org/download-manager;1'].getService(Components.interfaces.nsIDownloadManager)
;
browserPersist.persistFlags =
        nsIWBP.PERSIST_FLAGS_NO_CONVERSION |
        nsIWBP.PERSIST_FLAGS_REPLACE_EXISTING_FILES |
        nsIWBP.PERSIST_FLAGS_CLEANUP_ON_FAILURE;

/**
  * Add the download to the downloader window
 */
var ret = dlMgr.addDownload(0, source, target, name, null, null, null, null,
browserPersist);
dlMgr.addListener(myDownloadListener); // This is the listener that is
global for all downloads, but I only want it for this one.
browserPersist.progressListener = ret;
browserPersist.saveURI(....
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- Brian
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From neil at parkwaycc.co.uk  Fri Oct 23 02:44:50 2009
From: neil at parkwaycc.co.uk (Neil)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:44:50 +0100
Subject: [Project_owners] nsIDownloadManager.addListener global for all
	downloads
In-Reply-To: <mailman.279.1256228080.85486.project_owners@mozdev.org>
References: <mailman.279.1256228080.85486.project_owners@mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <hbrtui$2838$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>

Brian King wrote:

> var ret = dlMgr.addDownload(0, source, target, name, null, null, null, 
> null, browserPersist);
> dlMgr.addListener(myDownloadListener); // This is the listener that is 
> global for all downloads, but I only want it for this one.
> browserPersist.progressListener = ret;

In SeaMonkey's progress dialogs we had to save the download object of 
interest so that we could compare it against the one that the global 
listener receives.

From philip at aleytys.pc.my  Fri Oct 23 21:21:53 2009
From: philip at aleytys.pc.my (Philip Chee)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:21:53 +0800
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
Message-ID: <hbtv8h$5e5$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>

I saw this on planet.mozilla.org

<http://www.mozdev.org/drupal/blog/Mozdev-Organizational-Changes>

In the last 9 years, Mozdev has done a great deal to increase the
adoption of Mozilla technologies and promote the goals of the Mozilla
project.  We did this primarily by providing hosting and tools to
developers. Recently the Mozdev board members have come to the
conclusion though that the needs of the community have changed and
project hosting is no longer a problem for developers.  A number of free
sites (github, Google Code...) do a great job with this and the Mozilla
Add-ons site has evolved to become the hub for extension developers.

In light of this, the Mozdev board is seriously considering dismantling
the non-profit Mozdev Community Organization that runs the site.  The
overhead of running a legal organization is no longer justified and is
distracting attention away from the site itself.  We want the site to
continue to serve the needs of the community and think that handing
things to a new group of people who are passionate about Mozdev is the
best way to make this happen.

We need you! First, this does not mean that Mozdev is shutting down. We
are looking into creating a community council to replace the board of
directors and welcome you to join that group and help shape Mozdev's future.

Once again, we'd like to stress that the goal here is not to shut down
the site. We feel it still contains enormous value to our users. But
because of logistical issues we need to wind down the non-profit
structure and change the organizational nature of Mozdev. To get
involved, post a reply here or or send an email to the address listed on
the feedback page.

The Mozdev Board.


-- 
Philip Chee <philip at aleytys.pc.my>, <philip.chee at gmail.com>
http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org
Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief,
oh Night, and so be good for us to pass.
[ ]A wise man once said.... I don't know...
* TagZilla 0.066.6


From buanzo at buanzo.com.ar  Sat Oct 24 06:23:27 2009
From: buanzo at buanzo.com.ar (Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:23:27 -0300
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
In-Reply-To: <hbtv8h$5e5$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
References: <hbtv8h$5e5$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <4AE2FFCF.5060506@buanzo.com.ar>

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Well, I'm definitely interested in returning something to mozdev!

Philip Chee wrote:
> We need you! First, this does not mean that Mozdev is shutting down. We
> are looking into creating a community council to replace the board of
> directors and welcome you to join that group and help shape Mozdev's future.


- --
Arturo "Buanzo" Busleiman / Arturo Busleiman @ 4:900/107
Independent Linux and Security Consultant - SANS - OISSG - OWASP
http://www.buanzo.com.ar/pro/eng.html
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From axel.grude at googlemail.com  Sat Oct 24 05:25:51 2009
From: axel.grude at googlemail.com (Axel)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:25:51 +0100
Subject: [Project_owners] Account approval woes :(
Message-ID: <4AE2F24F.7040108@gmail.com>

Hello Doug / Project Owners / Mozdev Web Site Administrators

Can you help me again with this - I can never log on to the site when I
get an email like the attached "Account details for Mencalisin at
QuickFolders (pending admin approval)".

I have two logins for my QuickFolders forum at
http://quickfolders.mozdev.org/ but both do not work for confirming
membership applications like the one at the bottom. There is no point in
sending these to me if I can not approve them!



Can you provide instructions on what to do on the site - do I have to
delete cookies, or use a different browserm or do I need a third login?
It seems the mail admin site always only asks for a password (and then
lets me in) and never for a user name?

I remember recently I set a separate username password on a page similar
to this one:


no user name?

I always have cookies enabled, but in the case of this page I think they
go horribly wrong!

If I am clicking on the QF admin interface I do never see any
applications for accounts! Only bounced emails. This is very confusing!


thanks
  Axel

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Account details for Mencalisin at QuickFolders (pending admin
approval)
Date: 	Sat, 24 Oct 2009 01:12:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: 	axel.grude at gmail.com
To: 	axel.grude at gmail.com



Mencalisin has applied for an account.

http://quickfolders.mozdev.org/drupal/user/16084/edit



-- 

==================================
Axel Grude
Senior Software Developer
GenBase Solutions Ltd
Registered in Ireland, No. 317957
Registered address:  Parkmore Business Park West, Galway.
www.genbase.ie
phone: 091 746 965
==================================

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From brian at mozdev.org  Sat Oct 24 14:58:18 2009
From: brian at mozdev.org (Brian King)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:58:18 +0200
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
In-Reply-To: <hbtv8h$5e5$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
References: <hbtv8h$5e5$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <4AE3787A.4070806@mozdev.org>

Thanks for posting Philip ... I thought I posted it here too but 
obviously not!

Feedback welcome from all project owners.

On 10/24/09 6:21 AM, Philip Chee wrote:
> I saw this on planet.mozilla.org
>
> <http://www.mozdev.org/drupal/blog/Mozdev-Organizational-Changes>
>
> In the last 9 years, Mozdev has done a great deal to increase the
> adoption of Mozilla technologies and promote the goals of the Mozilla
> project.  We did this primarily by providing hosting and tools to
> developers. Recently the Mozdev board members have come to the
> conclusion though that the needs of the community have changed and
> project hosting is no longer a problem for developers.  A number of free
> sites (github, Google Code...) do a great job with this and the Mozilla
> Add-ons site has evolved to become the hub for extension developers.
>
> In light of this, the Mozdev board is seriously considering dismantling
> the non-profit Mozdev Community Organization that runs the site.  The
> overhead of running a legal organization is no longer justified and is
> distracting attention away from the site itself.  We want the site to
> continue to serve the needs of the community and think that handing
> things to a new group of people who are passionate about Mozdev is the
> best way to make this happen.
>
> We need you! First, this does not mean that Mozdev is shutting down. We
> are looking into creating a community council to replace the board of
> directors and welcome you to join that group and help shape Mozdev's future.
>
> Once again, we'd like to stress that the goal here is not to shut down
> the site. We feel it still contains enormous value to our users. But
> because of logistical issues we need to wind down the non-profit
> structure and change the organizational nature of Mozdev. To get
> involved, post a reply here or or send an email to the address listed on
> the feedback page.
>
> The Mozdev Board.
>
>


From gotmyname at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 00:23:02 2009
From: gotmyname at gmail.com (=?GB2312?B?0KHQobr6?=)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:23:02 +0800
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
In-Reply-To: <hbtv8h$5e5$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
References: <hbtv8h$5e5$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <369e5ff40910250023v71291992uc76f154a9519b191@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

  Following are my suggestion about this reorganization:
  1. The source hosting service could be migrated to other hosting service
provider.
  2. The community support for the addons project owners could be moved to
and enhanced at https://addons.mozilla.org/zh-CN/developers, i.e. projects
list and statics information should be availalbe at there.
  3. Move the bugzilla support to AMO, to let the user possible to submit
bug report while making comments about an addon.
  4. Move the drupal support to AMO, so a project owner could setup a site
to provide support to their users.
  5. I hope the above reorganization could happend smoothly (i.e. keep the
current user/password, domain name etc.), so project owners could easily
adapte to the changes.

  So, in a summary, I suggest to merge the mozdev and AMO, except remove the
source hosting service.

Thanks and Regards,

Xiaoxiao HU
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From philip at aleytys.pc.my  Sun Oct 25 07:31:28 2009
From: philip at aleytys.pc.my (Philip Chee)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:31:28 +0800
Subject: [Project_owners] It's time to make your extensions compatible with
	SeaMonkey 2.0!
Message-ID: <hc1nbd$1k78$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>

Hi there fellow extension authors!

Phil Chee here. Some of you may know me as the project owner of the
Flashblock, Console?, and xSidebar extensions. Others may know that I am
also an active SeaMonkey developer. For the last few years I have also
been running an extension porting service
<http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=500361> to port Firefox
and Thunderbird extensions to SeaMonkey 1.x and lately to the imminent
SeaMonkey 2.0. To date I've ported over 100 extensions to SeaMonkey.

When SeaMonkey 2.0 is released this Tuesday, making your extensions
compatible with SeaMonkey will be dead easy. We now use the same
extension manager as Firefox 3.5.4. which means getting your Firefox or
Thunderbird extension working in SeaMonkey could be as easy as 1-2-3:

1. Adding a compatibility section to your install.rdf.
2. In your chrome.manifest, overlay
chrome://navigator/content/navigator.xul.
3. Adjust a few item IDs in your overlay that are different with
Firefox's browser.xul.

See <https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Extensions_support_in_SeaMonkey_2>
for the details.

Thunderbird extensions are even easier since almost all our chrome URLs
are identical. In fact almost all the Thunderbird extension articles on
https://developer.mozilla.org
<https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Extensions/Thunderbird> will apply to
the MailNews component in SeaMonkey including techniques such as
creating custom columns
<https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Extensions/Thunderbird/Creating_a_Custom_Column>.

We use the same toolkit version (1.9.1.4) as Firefox, so all (or almost
all) the toolkit APIs that you have come to know and love are available
to you including the download manager APIs (although our front end UI is
decidedly different), Places History (but not Places Bookmarks as we are
still using the Firefox 2.0 bookmarks API) and of course our own version
of FUEL which we call SMILE
(<https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Toolkit_API/SMILE>)

On the front end we now support the same customizable toolbars as
Firefox and Thunderbird do. In fact some of the improvements I made when
implementing customizable toolbars in SeaMonkey have been (or are in the
process of being) back-ported to Firefox and Thunderbird so we are
actually slightly leading the pack here. To create a toolbar button for
SeaMonkey you should follow the exact same steps as in Firefox here
<https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Creating_toolbar_buttons> and here
<https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Custom_Toolbar_Button/Code_Samples>.

Still leary of porting your extension to SeaMonkey 2.0? Have a look at
the list of extensions I and my friends have ported to SeaMonkey:
1. Firefox <http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html>
2. Thunderbird <http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html>

If you see your extension listed here this means that I've already done
all the hard work for you so you don't have any excuses left! If you
don't I am usually available to answer your questions in
irc://moznet/extdev where I go by the nick of 'Ratty'
<http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/seamonkey/archives/2009/10/seamonkey_2_con_1.html>.
I am also active in the Mozillazine extension development forum
<http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=19> and of course I
monitor the mozilla.dev.extensions and the public.mozdev.project-owners
newsgroups.

So what are you waiting for? SeaMonkey 2.0 is coming out next week, it's
time to get cracking!

Phil

-- 
Philip Chee <philip at aleytys.pc.my>, <philip.chee at gmail.com>
http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org
Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief,
oh Night, and so be good for us to pass.
[ ]If all else fails, read the directions!
* TagZilla 0.066.6


From axelg at vodafone.ie  Sun Oct 25 07:10:05 2009
From: axelg at vodafone.ie (Axel Grude)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:10:05 +0000
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev is offline??
Message-ID: <4AE45C3D.1050607@vodafone.ie>

Hi - there is an outage at Mozdev at the moment - it returns


  502 Bad Gateway

------------------------------------------------------------------------
nginx/0.7.62



any idea what's going on??

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From doug at mozdev.org  Sun Oct 25 21:27:56 2009
From: doug at mozdev.org (Doug Warner)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:27:56 -0400
Subject: [Project_owners] Account approval woes :(
In-Reply-To: <4AE2F24F.7040108@gmail.com>
References: <4AE2F24F.7040108@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AE5254C.9070902@mozdev.org>

There are two different approvals you're getting email about from your project:

1) Drupal accounts (http://quickfolders.mozdev.org/drupal/)
2) Mailing list moderation messages
(https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/admindb/quickfolders/)

#1 seems to be what you're asking about here.  Your login to Drupal is the
same as your Mozdev user and password (user: axel.grude).

#2 only requires a password and may be different from your regular Mozdev
account as our Mailman setup doesn't synchronize passwords to our Mozdev CVS
accounts.

It's important to realize that these are different systems with potentially
different passwords.

If there's more we can do to the reminders clear about which login is required
please let us know.

-Doug


On 10/24/2009 08:25 AM, Axel wrote:
> Hello Doug / Project Owners / Mozdev Web Site Administrators
> 
> Can you help me again with this - I can never log on to the site when I
> get an email like the attached "Account details for Mencalisin at
> QuickFolders (pending admin approval)".
> 
> I have two logins for my QuickFolders forum at
> http://quickfolders.mozdev.org/ but both do not work for confirming
> membership applications like the one at the bottom. There is no point in
> sending these to me if I can not approve them!


-- 
Doug Warner    <doug at mozdev.org>        Site Developer
Mozdev.org     http://www.mozdev.org

From axel.grude at googlemail.com  Mon Oct 26 02:36:50 2009
From: axel.grude at googlemail.com (Axel)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:36:50 +0000
Subject: [Project_owners] Account approval woes :(
In-Reply-To: <4AE5254C.9070902@mozdev.org>
References: <4AE2F24F.7040108@gmail.com> <4AE5254C.9070902@mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <4AE56DB2.5030409@gmail.com>

Hi Doug,

I understand that these are different logins - the problem is, when I
log on to the drupal, I can not approve the users whether I user my
gmail or googlemail user name - I am allowed to login after following
the link but I get an access denied. There must be a third user account
/ user name with edit user rights on drupal that I am not aware of.

What is confusing is that I can do all the other functions on drupal
with these user names, but its not possible to determine what's the
difference between these user accounts...

thanks,
  Axel
> There are two different approvals you're getting email about from your project:
>
> 1) Drupal accounts (http://quickfolders.mozdev.org/drupal/)
> 2) Mailing list moderation messages
> (https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/admindb/quickfolders/)
>
> #1 seems to be what you're asking about here.  Your login to Drupal is the
> same as your Mozdev user and password (user: axel.grude).
>
> #2 only requires a password and may be different from your regular Mozdev
> account as our Mailman setup doesn't synchronize passwords to our Mozdev CVS
> accounts.
>
> It's important to realize that these are different systems with potentially
> different passwords.
>
> If there's more we can do to the reminders clear about which login is required
> please let us know.
>
> -Doug
>
>
> On 10/24/2009 08:25 AM, Axel wrote:
>   
>> Hello Doug / Project Owners / Mozdev Web Site Administrators
>>
>> Can you help me again with this - I can never log on to the site when I
>> get an email like the attached "Account details for Mencalisin at
>> QuickFolders (pending admin approval)".
>>
>> I have two logins for my QuickFolders forum at
>> http://quickfolders.mozdev.org/ but both do not work for confirming
>> membership applications like the one at the bottom. There is no point in
>> sending these to me if I can not approve them!
>>     
>
>
>   


-- 

==================================
Axel Grude
Senior Software Developer
GenBase Solutions Ltd
Registered in Ireland, No. 317957
Registered address:  Parkmore Business Park West, Galway.
www.genbase.ie
phone: 091 746 965
==================================

sig: try <http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/>  *firefox*. it supports www standards better!
      
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From brian at mozdev.org  Mon Oct 26 03:25:26 2009
From: brian at mozdev.org (Brian King)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:25:26 +0100
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev is offline??
In-Reply-To: <4AE45C3D.1050607@vodafone.ie>
References: <4AE45C3D.1050607@vodafone.ie>
Message-ID: <4AE57916.5060302@mozdev.org>

Looks like it was a transient issue, thanks for reporting anyway.

- Brian

Axel Grude wrote:
> Hi - there is an outage at Mozdev at the moment - it returns
>
>
>   502 Bad Gateway
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> nginx/0.7.62
>
>
>
> any idea what's going on??
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Project_owners mailing list
> Project_owners at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners

-- 
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Need free Mozilla project hosting?
http://mozdev.org


From brian at mozdev.org  Mon Oct 26 03:29:40 2009
From: brian at mozdev.org (Brian King)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:29:40 +0100
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
In-Reply-To: <369e5ff40910250023v71291992uc76f154a9519b191@mail.gmail.com>
References: <hbtv8h$5e5$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
	<369e5ff40910250023v71291992uc76f154a9519b191@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AE57A14.1070609@mozdev.org>

Xiaoxiao,

Thanks for the input. I think you are jumping ahead though, as we do not 
plan to shut down Mozdev. If it does come to this though, we will be 
sure to ensure a smooth transition for projects.

- Brian

??? wrote:
> Dear all,
>
>    Following are my suggestion about this reorganization:
>    1. The source hosting service could be migrated to other hosting
> service provider.
>    2. The community support for the addons project owners could be moved
> to and enhanced at https://addons.mozilla.org/zh-CN/developers, i.e.
> projects list and statics information should be availalbe at there.
>    3. Move the bugzilla support to AMO, to let the user possible to
> submit bug report while making comments about an addon.
>    4. Move the drupal support to AMO, so a project owner could setup a
> site to provide support to their users.
>    5. I hope the above reorganization could happend smoothly (i.e. keep
> the current user/password, domain name etc.), so project owners could
> easily adapte to the changes.
>
>    So, in a summary, I suggest to merge the mozdev and AMO, except
> remove the source hosting service.
>
> Thanks and Regards,
>
> Xiaoxiao HU
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Project_owners mailing list
> Project_owners at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners

-- 
Brian King
Need free Mozilla project hosting?
http://mozdev.org


From Joachim.Herb at gmx.de  Mon Oct 26 04:26:31 2009
From: Joachim.Herb at gmx.de (Joachim Herb)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:26:31 +0100
Subject: [Project_owners] Create Tag/Branch using CVS
Message-ID: <4AE58767.9020906@gmx.de>

Hello,

whenever I try to create a tag or a branch using CVS (from within 
Eclipse) I get an error message that I am not allowed to touch the 
directories (itself):

The server reported an error while performing the "cvs tag" command.
   customizeHeaderToolbar: cvs tag: User 'joachim.herb' cannot access 
src/chrome
   customizeHeaderToolbar: cvs tag: User 'joachim.herb' cannot access 
src/chrome/CustomizeHeaderToolbar
   customizeHeaderToolbar: cvs [tag aborted]: correct the above errors 
first!

What I could do would be to tag the files.

Is this a bug or a feature? Any workarounds (besides using e.g. the 
command line or TortoiseCVS and not Eclipse)?

Joachim

From doug at mozdev.org  Mon Oct 26 05:10:29 2009
From: doug at mozdev.org (Doug Warner)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:10:29 -0400
Subject: [Project_owners] Create Tag/Branch using CVS
In-Reply-To: <4AE58767.9020906@gmx.de>
References: <4AE58767.9020906@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <4AE591B5.6040304@mozdev.org>

I've had problems tagging from within Eclipse previously;  I think it has
something to do w/ Eclipse's self-built CVS client.

Tagging from the command line is the best I've been able to come up with so far.

On a related note, you might want to check out this page to make sure the
"guest" user can check out your tags when you're done:
http://www.mozdev.org/drupal/wiki/MozdevCVSTipsTroubleshooting

-Doug

On 10/26/2009 07:26 AM, Joachim Herb wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> whenever I try to create a tag or a branch using CVS (from within
> Eclipse) I get an error message that I am not allowed to touch the
> directories (itself):
> 
> The server reported an error while performing the "cvs tag" command.
>   customizeHeaderToolbar: cvs tag: User 'joachim.herb' cannot access
> src/chrome
>   customizeHeaderToolbar: cvs tag: User 'joachim.herb' cannot access
> src/chrome/CustomizeHeaderToolbar
>   customizeHeaderToolbar: cvs [tag aborted]: correct the above errors
> first!
> 
> What I could do would be to tag the files.
> 
> Is this a bug or a feature? Any workarounds (besides using e.g. the
> command line or TortoiseCVS and not Eclipse)?
> 
> Joachim


-- 
Doug Warner    <doug at mozdev.org>        Site Developer
Mozdev.org     http://www.mozdev.org

From myfirstnamehere at gawab.com  Mon Oct 26 07:29:28 2009
From: myfirstnamehere at gawab.com (Benoit Renard, msnmsgr)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:29:28 +0100
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
In-Reply-To: <hbtv8h$5e5$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
References: <hbtv8h$5e5$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <hc4bpe$31kn$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>

> Recently the Mozdev board members have come to the conclusion though
> that the needs of the community have changed and project hosting is no
> longer a problem for developers.  A number of free sites (github,
> Google Code...) do a great job with this and the Mozilla Add-ons site
> has evolved to become the hub for extension developers.

There is a small, but sizable amount of add-on developers that will 
never move to AMO, and appreciate that MozDev is there as an 
alternative. While hosting can be done elsewhere, it wouldn't be under 
the Mozilla umbrella, and would be harder to find. MozDev is a good 
aggregator of projects.

From stevel at songbirdnest.com  Mon Oct 26 09:57:03 2009
From: stevel at songbirdnest.com (Stephen Lau)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:57:03 -0700
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
In-Reply-To: <hc4bpe$31kn$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
References: <hbtv8h$5e5$1@mozdev.mozdev.org> <hc4bpe$31kn$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <4AE5D4DF.2@songbirdnest.com>

Benoit Renard, msnmsgr wrote:
>> Recently the Mozdev board members have come to the conclusion though
>> that the needs of the community have changed and project hosting is no
>> longer a problem for developers.  A number of free sites (github,
>> Google Code...) do a great job with this and the Mozilla Add-ons site
>> has evolved to become the hub for extension developers. 
>
> There is a small, but sizable amount of add-on developers that will 
> never move to AMO, and appreciate that MozDev is there as an 
> alternative. While hosting can be done elsewhere, it wouldn't be under 
> the Mozilla umbrella, and would be harder to find. MozDev is a good 
> aggregator of projects.
I second Benoit's points.  There are plenty of Mozilla projects for 
which add-ons are developed and hosted with MozDev that wouldn't find a 
home at AMO.  (Songbird being my obvious example there)

cheers,
steve

-- 
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From eric.jung at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 26 10:02:59 2009
From: eric.jung at yahoo.com (Eric Jung)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:02:59 -0400
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
In-Reply-To: <hc4bpe$31kn$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
References: <hbtv8h$5e5$1@mozdev.mozdev.org> <hc4bpe$31kn$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <a392ae8d0910261002v60056283lc85d8b080213ed05@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Benoit Renard, msnmsgr <
myfirstnamehere at gawab.com> wrote:

> There is a small, but sizable amount of add-on developers that will never
> move to AMO, and appreciate that MozDev is there as an alternative
>

Benoit, if you are one of those developers, I urge you to step up and
volunteer. If we don't get volunteers, mozdev's future is definitely in
jeopardy.

Eric Jung
mozdev board of directors
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From brian at mozdev.org  Mon Oct 26 15:33:58 2009
From: brian at mozdev.org (Brian King)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:33:58 +0100
Subject: [Project_owners] New People - Getting involved with Mozdev
Message-ID: <4AE623D6.8080301@mozdev.org>

As part of the organizational changes, as I mentioned we need more 
people to get involved in the project both from a decision making 
standpoint and also with the day-to-day running of the site. To that 
end, I have set up this wiki page:

http://www.mozdev.org/drupal/wiki/New-People

Please add yourself if you are interested. At this point it will just be 
a general statement of interest on your part, not committing to anything.

I'll be posting more details soon on what exactly the roles will be and 
the work involved.

Thanks!

-- 
Brian King
Need Mozilla Project Hosting?
http://mozdev.org

From myfirstnamehere at gawab.com  Tue Oct 27 04:13:10 2009
From: myfirstnamehere at gawab.com (Benoit Renard, msnmsgr)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:13:10 +0100
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
In-Reply-To: <mailman.300.1256576589.85486.project_owners@mozdev.org>
References: <hbtv8h$5e5$1@mozdev.mozdev.org> <hc4bpe$31kn$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
	<mailman.300.1256576589.85486.project_owners@mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <hc6kle$2r1k$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>

Eric Jung wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Benoit Renard, msnmsgr 
> <myfirstnamehere at gawab.com <mailto:myfirstnamehere at gawab.com>> wrote:
> 
>     There is a small, but sizable amount of add-on developers that will
>     never move to AMO, and appreciate that MozDev is there as an alternative
> 
>  
> Benoit, if you are one of those developers, I urge you to step up and 
> volunteer. If we don't get volunteers, mozdev's future is definitely in 
> jeopardy.

I am one of those! I wouldn't mind volunteering. The question is if I 
have the skills necessary. :)

From davidwboswell at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 27 08:05:38 2009
From: davidwboswell at yahoo.com (David Boswell)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:05:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
In-Reply-To: <hc6kle$2r1k$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <264196.91424.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> I am one of those! I wouldn't mind volunteering. The
> question is if I have the skills necessary. :)

If you're interested in getting involved then don't worry about having the right skills or not.  There's a range of things that the community council could work on (from planning, managing, coding, designing...) so you could find the place that's the right fit for you.

David

From eric.jung at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 27 08:22:09 2009
From: eric.jung at yahoo.com (Eric Jung)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:22:09 -0400
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
In-Reply-To: <264196.91424.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <hc6kle$2r1k$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
	<264196.91424.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a392ae8d0910270822s4a139bb0xc4e42f110573c21@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:05 AM, David Boswell <davidwboswell at yahoo.com>wrote:

> > I am one of those! I wouldn't mind volunteering. The
> > question is if I have the skills necessary. :)
>
> If you're interested in getting involved then don't worry about having the
> right skills or not.  There's a range of things that the community council
> could work on (from planning, managing, coding, designing...) so you could
> find the place that's the right fit for you.
>

Agreed. We'll need non-technical people like Project Managers, so don't be
scared off if you don't know how to do sysadmin of a linux server or PHP
programming :)

Eric
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From mv_van_rantwijk at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 27 12:49:40 2009
From: mv_van_rantwijk at yahoo.com (Michael V. van Rantwijk)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:49:40 +0100
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
In-Reply-To: <hbtv8h$5e5$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
References: <hbtv8h$5e5$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <hc7ism$2so$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>

Philip Chee wrote:
> I saw this on planet.mozilla.org
> 
> <http://www.mozdev.org/drupal/blog/Mozdev-Organizational-Changes>
> 
> In the last 9 years, Mozdev has done a great deal to increase the
> adoption of Mozilla technologies and promote the goals of the Mozilla
> project.  We did this primarily by providing hosting and tools to
> developers. Recently the Mozdev board members have come to the
> conclusion though that the needs of the community have changed and
> project hosting is no longer a problem for developers.  A number of free
> sites (github, Google Code...) do a great job with this and the Mozilla
> Add-ons site has evolved to become the hub for extension developers.
> 
> In light of this, the Mozdev board is seriously considering dismantling
> the non-profit Mozdev Community Organization that runs the site.  The
> overhead of running a legal organization is no longer justified and is
> distracting attention away from the site itself.  We want the site to
> continue to serve the needs of the community and think that handing
> things to a new group of people who are passionate about Mozdev is the
> best way to make this happen.
> 
> We need you! First, this does not mean that Mozdev is shutting down. We
> are looking into creating a community council to replace the board of
> directors and welcome you to join that group and help shape Mozdev's future.
> 
> Once again, we'd like to stress that the goal here is not to shut down
> the site. We feel it still contains enormous value to our users. But
> because of logistical issues we need to wind down the non-profit
> structure and change the organizational nature of Mozdev. To get
> involved, post a reply here or or send an email to the address listed on
> the feedback page.
> 
> The Mozdev Board.

@Mozdev.org board members:
What exactly is the Mozdev boards motivation (reason/s) for abandoning 
ship?  Is this a money issues?

Will Mozilla stop supporting (hello money) the site/organization?

What are your predictions for the future for Mozdev?

Why didn't we (the project owners) receive some sort of 
newsletter/e-mail about this rather important decision, which I presume 
will change a lot for both this community, but also SeaMonkey and 
Firefox users.

@Project owners:
What do you as project owner think about this, and the way this was 
brought out to you?  Was you somehow notified about this?

From ajvincent at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 13:09:20 2009
From: ajvincent at gmail.com (Alex Vincent)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:09:20 -0700
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
In-Reply-To: <hc7ism$2so$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
References: <hbtv8h$5e5$1@mozdev.mozdev.org> <hc7ism$2so$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <9301ed6b0910271309h63b34acah8de02d41ae39103e@mail.gmail.com>

That's what this is, Michael.  This is the newsletter discussing it.

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Michael V. van Rantwijk <
mv_van_rantwijk at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Philip Chee wrote:
>
>> I saw this on planet.mozilla.org
>>
>> <http://www.mozdev.org/drupal/blog/Mozdev-Organizational-Changes>
>>
>> In the last 9 years, Mozdev has done a great deal to increase the
>> adoption of Mozilla technologies and promote the goals of the Mozilla
>> project.  We did this primarily by providing hosting and tools to
>> developers. Recently the Mozdev board members have come to the
>> conclusion though that the needs of the community have changed and
>> project hosting is no longer a problem for developers.  A number of free
>> sites (github, Google Code...) do a great job with this and the Mozilla
>> Add-ons site has evolved to become the hub for extension developers.
>>
>> In light of this, the Mozdev board is seriously considering dismantling
>> the non-profit Mozdev Community Organization that runs the site.  The
>> overhead of running a legal organization is no longer justified and is
>> distracting attention away from the site itself.  We want the site to
>> continue to serve the needs of the community and think that handing
>> things to a new group of people who are passionate about Mozdev is the
>> best way to make this happen.
>>
>> We need you! First, this does not mean that Mozdev is shutting down. We
>> are looking into creating a community council to replace the board of
>> directors and welcome you to join that group and help shape Mozdev's
>> future.
>>
>> Once again, we'd like to stress that the goal here is not to shut down
>> the site. We feel it still contains enormous value to our users. But
>> because of logistical issues we need to wind down the non-profit
>> structure and change the organizational nature of Mozdev. To get
>> involved, post a reply here or or send an email to the address listed on
>> the feedback page.
>>
>> The Mozdev Board.
>>
>
> @Mozdev.org board members:
> What exactly is the Mozdev boards motivation (reason/s) for abandoning
> ship?  Is this a money issues?
>
> Will Mozilla stop supporting (hello money) the site/organization?
>
> What are your predictions for the future for Mozdev?
>
> Why didn't we (the project owners) receive some sort of newsletter/e-mail
> about this rather important decision, which I presume will change a lot for
> both this community, but also SeaMonkey and Firefox users.
>
> @Project owners:
> What do you as project owner think about this, and the way this was brought
> out to you?  Was you somehow notified about this?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Project_owners mailing list
> Project_owners at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
>



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From philip at aleytys.pc.my  Tue Oct 27 18:54:06 2009
From: philip at aleytys.pc.my (Philip Chee)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:54:06 +0800
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
In-Reply-To: <mailman.313.1256674174.85486.project_owners@mozdev.org>
References: <hbtv8h$5e5$1@mozdev.mozdev.org> <hc7ism$2so$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
	<mailman.313.1256674174.85486.project_owners@mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <hc8837$30ke$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:09:20 -0700, Alex Vincent wrote:
> That's what this is, Michael.  This is the newsletter discussing it.

Incorrect. This was originally a blog post I saw on planet.mozilla.org.
If I hadn't reposted it here, none of you would have known about this.

Phil

> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Michael V. van Rantwijk <
> mv_van_rantwijk at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> @Project owners:
>> What do you as project owner think about this, and the way this was brought
>> out to you?

A bit more preliminary discussion would have been nice. At the moment
the way these decisions were made are rather akin to mushroom farming.

It would be a real pain to move my stuff elsewhere. I have too many
extensions and too much data invested in mozdev.

>> Was you somehow notified about this?

I wasn't. The first I knew was coming across a blog post by Brian.

Phil

-- 
Philip Chee <philip at aleytys.pc.my>, <philip.chee at gmail.com>
http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org
Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief,
oh Night, and so be good for us to pass.


From eric.jung at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 27 19:54:59 2009
From: eric.jung at yahoo.com (Eric Jung)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:54:59 -0400
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
In-Reply-To: <hc8837$30ke$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
References: <hbtv8h$5e5$1@mozdev.mozdev.org> <hc7ism$2so$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
	<mailman.313.1256674174.85486.project_owners@mozdev.org>
	<hc8837$30ke$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <a392ae8d0910271954v488aa3eeidcc7874b8f885559@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Philip Chee

If I hadn't reposted it here, none of you would have known about this.
>

That, too, is incorrect. It would have been posted here anyway, but by one
of the mozdev board members.

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From davidwboswell at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 28 09:59:09 2009
From: davidwboswell at yahoo.com (David Boswell)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:59:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
In-Reply-To: <hc8837$30ke$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <471790.17865.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> A bit more preliminary discussion would have been nice.

Hopefully the way the topic was raised won't distract away from the real issue -- the Mozilla community has evolved substantially over the years and mozdev needs to evolve too.

I know there are people out there who use the site and have an interest in keeping it around and improving it.  If you are one of those people, we hope you'll get involved in a new community council.

David

From davidwboswell at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 28 10:09:51 2009
From: davidwboswell at yahoo.com (David Boswell)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:09:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
In-Reply-To: <hc7ism$2so$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <647239.73162.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> What exactly is the Mozdev boards motivation (reason/s) for
> abandoning ship?? Is this a money issues?

Most of the mozdev board has been involved with mozdev for many years -- several of us have been involved for all 9 years.  If we are abandoning ship, it is a _very_ slowly sinking ship.

As Brian said earlier, it's simply time for some fresh faces -- people with new ideas and new energy.
 
> Will Mozilla stop supporting (hello money) the
> site/organization?

The Mozilla Foundation has been very generous in the past and there's certainly a possibility for future funding -- but not without a clear plan.

As Brian said earlier, we don't feel that hosting is a problem in the community as it once was so the way forward is unclear.  A new community council will hopefully bring some new ideas into the process of figuring out a path forward.

> What are your predictions for the future for Mozdev?

It could be a range of things -- the site and community could grow and thrive or it could slowly wind down as people go to other sites and tools.  Personally I think the site should remain as a historical record even if people weren't actively using it any more.
 
David

From anidps at gmail.com  Thu Oct 29 01:33:43 2009
From: anidps at gmail.com (anirvana mishra)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:03:43 +0530
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
In-Reply-To: <647239.73162.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <hc7ism$2so$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
	<647239.73162.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dd5e4a3c0910290133u650804c1ma95c65c441af4564@mail.gmail.com>

hello everybody, I have registered with username anirvana but my account is
still not activated.Please help me out.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:39 PM, David Boswell <davidwboswell at yahoo.com>wrote:

> > What exactly is the Mozdev boards motivation (reason/s) for
> > abandoning ship?  Is this a money issues?
>
> Most of the mozdev board has been involved with mozdev for many years --
> several of us have been involved for all 9 years.  If we are abandoning
> ship, it is a _very_ slowly sinking ship.
>
> As Brian said earlier, it's simply time for some fresh faces -- people with
> new ideas and new energy.
>
> > Will Mozilla stop supporting (hello money) the
> > site/organization?
>
> The Mozilla Foundation has been very generous in the past and there's
> certainly a possibility for future funding -- but not without a clear plan.
>
> As Brian said earlier, we don't feel that hosting is a problem in the
> community as it once was so the way forward is unclear.  A new community
> council will hopefully bring some new ideas into the process of figuring out
> a path forward.
>
> > What are your predictions for the future for Mozdev?
>
> It could be a range of things -- the site and community could grow and
> thrive or it could slowly wind down as people go to other sites and tools.
>  Personally I think the site should remain as a historical record even if
> people weren't actively using it any more.
>
> David
> _______________________________________________
> Project_owners mailing list
> Project_owners at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
>



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From dipankarsarkar at gmail.com  Thu Oct 29 01:53:49 2009
From: dipankarsarkar at gmail.com (Dipankar Sarkar)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:23:49 +0530
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
In-Reply-To: <647239.73162.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <hc7ism$2so$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
	<647239.73162.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fba6384d0910290153m7b158c0aka04938fc03481f97@mail.gmail.com>

Reading all the comments makes me feel that there is a new course for
mozdev, possibly taking a leadership role in evangelizing various mozilla
technologies (not that it is not already). Code hosting was one part, but
the community it created has been integral in how the mozilla products have
evolved.

I quite look forward to the thread brain storming about the future :), tried
registering on the new drupal site ... refuses to activate the account.
Anyways, i would want to definitely help out with the council and the site.

cheers,
Dipankar

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:39 PM, David Boswell <davidwboswell at yahoo.com>wrote:

> > What exactly is the Mozdev boards motivation (reason/s) for
> > abandoning ship?  Is this a money issues?
>
> Most of the mozdev board has been involved with mozdev for many years --
> several of us have been involved for all 9 years.  If we are abandoning
> ship, it is a _very_ slowly sinking ship.
>
> As Brian said earlier, it's simply time for some fresh faces -- people with
> new ideas and new energy.
>
> > Will Mozilla stop supporting (hello money) the
> > site/organization?
>
> The Mozilla Foundation has been very generous in the past and there's
> certainly a possibility for future funding -- but not without a clear plan.
>
> As Brian said earlier, we don't feel that hosting is a problem in the
> community as it once was so the way forward is unclear.  A new community
> council will hopefully bring some new ideas into the process of figuring out
> a path forward.
>
> > What are your predictions for the future for Mozdev?
>
> It could be a range of things -- the site and community could grow and
> thrive or it could slowly wind down as people go to other sites and tools.
>  Personally I think the site should remain as a historical record even if
> people weren't actively using it any more.
>
> David
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From doug at mozdev.org  Thu Oct 29 05:06:53 2009
From: doug at mozdev.org (Doug Warner)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:06:53 -0400
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
In-Reply-To: <fba6384d0910290153m7b158c0aka04938fc03481f97@mail.gmail.com>
References: <hc7ism$2so$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>	<647239.73162.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<fba6384d0910290153m7b158c0aka04938fc03481f97@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AE9855D.9080405@mozdev.org>

Anirvana and Dipankar,

You shouldn't have to register new accounts in Drupal if you already have
Mozdev accounts.  Just try logging in with your mozdev account and password
and it should work.

If you're still having problems, feel free to email me directly.

-Doug

On 10/29/2009 04:53 AM, Dipankar Sarkar wrote:
> Reading all the comments makes me feel that there is a new course for
> mozdev, possibly taking a leadership role in evangelizing various
> mozilla technologies (not that it is not already). Code hosting was one
> part, but the community it created has been integral in how the mozilla
> products have evolved.
> 
> I quite look forward to the thread brain storming about the future :),
> tried registering on the new drupal site ... refuses to activate the
> account. Anyways, i would want to definitely help out with the council
> and the site.
> 
> cheers,
> Dipankar
> 
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:39 PM, David Boswell <davidwboswell at yahoo.com
> <mailto:davidwboswell at yahoo.com>> wrote:
> 
>     > What exactly is the Mozdev boards motivation (reason/s) for
>     > abandoning ship?  Is this a money issues?
> 
>     Most of the mozdev board has been involved with mozdev for many
>     years -- several of us have been involved for all 9 years.  If we
>     are abandoning ship, it is a _very_ slowly sinking ship.
> 
>     As Brian said earlier, it's simply time for some fresh faces --
>     people with new ideas and new energy.
> 
>     > Will Mozilla stop supporting (hello money) the
>     > site/organization?
> 
>     The Mozilla Foundation has been very generous in the past and
>     there's certainly a possibility for future funding -- but not
>     without a clear plan.
> 
>     As Brian said earlier, we don't feel that hosting is a problem in
>     the community as it once was so the way forward is unclear.  A new
>     community council will hopefully bring some new ideas into the
>     process of figuring out a path forward.
> 
>     > What are your predictions for the future for Mozdev?
> 
>     It could be a range of things -- the site and community could grow
>     and thrive or it could slowly wind down as people go to other sites
>     and tools.  Personally I think the site should remain as a
>     historical record even if people weren't actively using it any more.
> 
>     David
>     _______________________________________________
>     Project_owners mailing list
>     Project_owners at mozdev.org <mailto:Project_owners at mozdev.org>
>     https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/project_owners
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From brian at mozdev.org  Thu Oct 29 14:37:00 2009
From: brian at mozdev.org (Brian King)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:37:00 +0100
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
In-Reply-To: <fba6384d0910290153m7b158c0aka04938fc03481f97@mail.gmail.com>
References: <hc7ism$2so$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>	<647239.73162.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<fba6384d0910290153m7b158c0aka04938fc03481f97@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AEA0AFC.5010006@mozdev.org>

Dipankar,

> I quite look forward to the thread brain storming about the future :),
> tried registering on the new drupal site ... refuses to activate the
> account. Anyways, i would want to definitely help out with the council
> and the site.

I've added you to the list:
http://www.mozdev.org/drupal/wiki/New-People
Feel free to make edits if I added you in any way in error.

-- 
Brian King
Need Mozilla Project Hosting?
http://mozdev.org

From brian at mozdev.org  Thu Oct 29 14:37:36 2009
From: brian at mozdev.org (Brian King)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:37:36 +0100
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
In-Reply-To: <dd5e4a3c0910290133u650804c1ma95c65c441af4564@mail.gmail.com>
References: <hc7ism$2so$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>	<647239.73162.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<dd5e4a3c0910290133u650804c1ma95c65c441af4564@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AEA0B20.1030307@mozdev.org>

anirvana,

> hello everybody, I have registered with username anirvana but my account
> is still not activated.Please help me out.

I've added you to the list:
http://www.mozdev.org/drupal/wiki/New-People
Feel free to make edits if I added you in any way in error.

-- 
Brian King
Need Mozilla Project Hosting?
http://mozdev.org

From eric.jung at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 29 17:00:03 2009
From: eric.jung at yahoo.com (Eric Jung)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:00:03 -0400
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
In-Reply-To: <4AEA0AFC.5010006@mozdev.org>
References: <hc7ism$2so$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>
	<647239.73162.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<fba6384d0910290153m7b158c0aka04938fc03481f97@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AEA0AFC.5010006@mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <a392ae8d0910291700i681a3468j5e6c22274ca90aa5@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Brian King <brian at mozdev.org> wrote:

> Dipankar,
>
>  I quite look forward to the thread brain storming about the future :),
>> tried registering on the new drupal site ... refuses to activate the
>> account. Anyways, i would want to definitely help out with the council
>> and the site.
>>
>
> I've added you to the list:
> http://www.mozdev.org/drupal/wiki/New-People
> Feel free to make edits if I added you in any way in error.
>

Should we perhaps start two new Drupal forums in the www/ project for these
two lists of people to communicate?

Eric
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From doug at mozdev.org  Thu Oct 29 17:45:43 2009
From: doug at mozdev.org (Doug Warner)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:45:43 -0400
Subject: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
In-Reply-To: <a392ae8d0910291700i681a3468j5e6c22274ca90aa5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <hc7ism$2so$1@mozdev.mozdev.org>	<647239.73162.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<fba6384d0910290153m7b158c0aka04938fc03481f97@mail.gmail.com>	<4AEA0AFC.5010006@mozdev.org>
	<a392ae8d0910291700i681a3468j5e6c22274ca90aa5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AEA3737.7030201@mozdev.org>

On 10/29/2009 08:00 PM, Eric Jung wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Brian King <brian at mozdev.org
> <mailto:brian at mozdev.org>> wrote:
> 
>     Dipankar,
> 
>         I quite look forward to the thread brain storming about the
>         future :),
>         tried registering on the new drupal site ... refuses to activate the
>         account. Anyways, i would want to definitely help out with the
>         council
>         and the site.
> 
> 
>     I've added you to the list:
>     http://www.mozdev.org/drupal/wiki/New-People
>     Feel free to make edits if I added you in any way in error.
> 
> 
> Should we perhaps start two new Drupal forums in the www/ project for
> these two lists of people to communicate?

The "Talk" page here would be fine for now unless there's a bunch of things we
need to discuss.

-Doug

-- 
Doug Warner    <doug at mozdev.org>        Site Developer
Mozdev.org     http://www.mozdev.org

From rockyblank at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 01:25:39 2009
From: rockyblank at gmail.com (BRAM IRIANTO)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:25:39 +0700
Subject: [Project_owners] Project_owners Digest, Vol 76, Issue 15
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1256670001.92312.project_owners@mozdev.org>
References: <mailman.1.1256670001.92312.project_owners@mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <fea59a110910310125o326c9d01va07bb7b76946dd15@mail.gmail.com>

Demak, October 31, 2009, Hours: 15:25 pm

Previously I thank you for the provision of information, but please, please
leave a comment on http://www.kencangratis.blogspot.com , For further
confirmation.
Thank you for willing to cooperate and be friends, hopefully better future
than now.

Regards,

BRAM IRIANTO
rockyblank at gmail.com
http://www.kencangratis.blogspot.com

=====================================================================


2009/10/28 <project_owners-request at mozdev.org>

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>
>   1. New People - Getting involved with Mozdev (Brian King)
>   2. Re: Mozdev Organizational Changes (Benoit Renard, msnmsgr)
>   3. Re: Mozdev Organizational Changes (David Boswell)
>   4. Re: Mozdev Organizational Changes (Eric Jung)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:33:58 +0100
> From: Brian King <brian at mozdev.org>
> To: Mozdev Project Owners List <project_owners at mozdev.org>
> Subject: [Project_owners] New People - Getting involved with Mozdev
> Message-ID: <4AE623D6.8080301 at mozdev.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> As part of the organizational changes, as I mentioned we need more
> people to get involved in the project both from a decision making
> standpoint and also with the day-to-day running of the site. To that
> end, I have set up this wiki page:
>
> http://www.mozdev.org/drupal/wiki/New-People
>
> Please add yourself if you are interested. At this point it will just be
> a general statement of interest on your part, not committing to anything.
>
> I'll be posting more details soon on what exactly the roles will be and
> the work involved.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Brian King
> Need Mozilla Project Hosting?
> http://mozdev.org
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:13:10 +0100
> From: "Benoit Renard, msnmsgr" <myfirstnamehere at gawab.com>
> To: project_owners at mozdev.org
> Subject: Re: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
> Message-ID: <hc6kle$2r1k$1 at mozdev.mozdev.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Eric Jung wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Benoit Renard, msnmsgr
> > <myfirstnamehere at gawab.com <mailto:myfirstnamehere at gawab.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     There is a small, but sizable amount of add-on developers that will
> >     never move to AMO, and appreciate that MozDev is there as an
> alternative
> >
> >
> > Benoit, if you are one of those developers, I urge you to step up and
> > volunteer. If we don't get volunteers, mozdev's future is definitely in
> > jeopardy.
>
> I am one of those! I wouldn't mind volunteering. The question is if I
> have the skills necessary. :)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:05:38 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Boswell <davidwboswell at yahoo.com>
> To: Mozdev Project Owners List <project_owners at mozdev.org>
> Subject: Re: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
> Message-ID: <264196.91424.qm at web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> > I am one of those! I wouldn't mind volunteering. The
> > question is if I have the skills necessary. :)
>
> If you're interested in getting involved then don't worry about having the
> right skills or not.  There's a range of things that the community council
> could work on (from planning, managing, coding, designing...) so you could
> find the place that's the right fit for you.
>
> David
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:22:09 -0400
> From: Eric Jung <eric.jung at yahoo.com>
> To: Mozdev Project Owners List <project_owners at mozdev.org>
> Subject: Re: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
> Message-ID:
>        <a392ae8d0910270822s4a139bb0xc4e42f110573c21 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:05 AM, David Boswell <davidwboswell at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > > I am one of those! I wouldn't mind volunteering. The
> > > question is if I have the skills necessary. :)
> >
> > If you're interested in getting involved then don't worry about having
> the
> > right skills or not.  There's a range of things that the community
> council
> > could work on (from planning, managing, coding, designing...) so you
> could
> > find the place that's the right fit for you.
> >
>
> Agreed. We'll need non-technical people like Project Managers, so don't be
> scared off if you don't know how to do sysadmin of a linux server or PHP
> programming :)
>
> Eric
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From anidps at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 06:56:23 2009
From: anidps at gmail.com (anirvana mishra)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:26:23 +0530
Subject: [Project_owners] Project_owners Digest, Vol 76, Issue 15
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References: <mailman.1.1256670001.92312.project_owners@mozdev.org>
	<fea59a110910310125o326c9d01va07bb7b76946dd15@mail.gmail.com>
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I have got my name registered and am looking forward for some
challenging work.Can anyone tell me when will the actual working
start?

On 10/31/09, BRAM IRIANTO <rockyblank at gmail.com> wrote:
> Demak, October 31, 2009, Hours: 15:25 pm
>
> Previously I thank you for the provision of information, but please, please
> leave a comment on http://www.kencangratis.blogspot.com , For further
> confirmation.
> Thank you for willing to cooperate and be friends, hopefully better future
> than now.
>
> Regards,
>
> BRAM IRIANTO
> rockyblank at gmail.com
> http://www.kencangratis.blogspot.com
>
> =====================================================================
>
>
> 2009/10/28 <project_owners-request at mozdev.org>
>
>> Send Project_owners mailing list submissions to
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>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>        project_owners-request at mozdev.org
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>> than "Re: Contents of Project_owners digest..."
>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>   1. New People - Getting involved with Mozdev (Brian King)
>>   2. Re: Mozdev Organizational Changes (Benoit Renard, msnmsgr)
>>   3. Re: Mozdev Organizational Changes (David Boswell)
>>   4. Re: Mozdev Organizational Changes (Eric Jung)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:33:58 +0100
>> From: Brian King <brian at mozdev.org>
>> To: Mozdev Project Owners List <project_owners at mozdev.org>
>> Subject: [Project_owners] New People - Getting involved with Mozdev
>> Message-ID: <4AE623D6.8080301 at mozdev.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> As part of the organizational changes, as I mentioned we need more
>> people to get involved in the project both from a decision making
>> standpoint and also with the day-to-day running of the site. To that
>> end, I have set up this wiki page:
>>
>> http://www.mozdev.org/drupal/wiki/New-People
>>
>> Please add yourself if you are interested. At this point it will just be
>> a general statement of interest on your part, not committing to anything.
>>
>> I'll be posting more details soon on what exactly the roles will be and
>> the work involved.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> --
>> Brian King
>> Need Mozilla Project Hosting?
>> http://mozdev.org
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:13:10 +0100
>> From: "Benoit Renard, msnmsgr" <myfirstnamehere at gawab.com>
>> To: project_owners at mozdev.org
>> Subject: Re: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
>> Message-ID: <hc6kle$2r1k$1 at mozdev.mozdev.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Eric Jung wrote:
>> > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Benoit Renard, msnmsgr
>> > <myfirstnamehere at gawab.com <mailto:myfirstnamehere at gawab.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     There is a small, but sizable amount of add-on developers that will
>> >     never move to AMO, and appreciate that MozDev is there as an
>> alternative
>> >
>> >
>> > Benoit, if you are one of those developers, I urge you to step up and
>> > volunteer. If we don't get volunteers, mozdev's future is definitely in
>> > jeopardy.
>>
>> I am one of those! I wouldn't mind volunteering. The question is if I
>> have the skills necessary. :)
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:05:38 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: David Boswell <davidwboswell at yahoo.com>
>> To: Mozdev Project Owners List <project_owners at mozdev.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
>> Message-ID: <264196.91424.qm at web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> > I am one of those! I wouldn't mind volunteering. The
>> > question is if I have the skills necessary. :)
>>
>> If you're interested in getting involved then don't worry about having the
>> right skills or not.  There's a range of things that the community council
>> could work on (from planning, managing, coding, designing...) so you could
>> find the place that's the right fit for you.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:22:09 -0400
>> From: Eric Jung <eric.jung at yahoo.com>
>> To: Mozdev Project Owners List <project_owners at mozdev.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Project_owners] Mozdev Organizational Changes
>> Message-ID:
>>        <a392ae8d0910270822s4a139bb0xc4e42f110573c21 at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 11:05 AM, David Boswell <davidwboswell at yahoo.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > > I am one of those! I wouldn't mind volunteering. The
>> > > question is if I have the skills necessary. :)
>> >
>> > If you're interested in getting involved then don't worry about having
>> the
>> > right skills or not.  There's a range of things that the community
>> council
>> > could work on (from planning, managing, coding, designing...) so you
>> could
>> > find the place that's the right fit for you.
>> >
>>
>> Agreed. We'll need non-technical people like Project Managers, so don't be
>> scared off if you don't know how to do sysadmin of a linux server or PHP
>> programming :)
>>
>> Eric
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