From gora at sarai.net  Sat May  2 11:28:27 2009
From: gora at sarai.net (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 23:58:27 +0530
Subject: [Padma] How to handle proprietary fonts encoded in utf-8
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On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:18:14 -0300
Golam Mortuza Hossain <gmhossain at gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> Unfortunately,  that precisely these sites do.  Here is an example
> 
> http://www.amardeshbd.com
> 
> They basically assign every Bengali conjunct a separate codepoint
> which is in violation of Unicode standard. I may be wrong in saying
> whether those characters are exactly Chinese but from the appearance
> of the glyphs, it looks similar.
[...]

I finally ran into such an example on a page displayed by
Google News. At least in that case, it turns out to be a
character from the Unicode private use area.

To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing that can be
done to fix this in a generic way. The Unicode FAQ entry
on the private use area specifically disclaims any
responsibility: http://unicode.org/faq/casemap_charprop.html#8
So, the best solution is probably what you suggested earlier,
i.e., if you know what the character is supposed to be,
special-case it for Padma.

Regards,
Gora

From gora at sarai.net  Sat May  2 11:37:58 2009
From: gora at sarai.net (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 00:07:58 +0530
Subject: [Padma] How to handle proprietary fonts encoded in utf-8
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:53:57 +0530
arjuna rao chavala <arjunaraoc at googlemail.com> wrote:

> No need to be aware of language. Just have a glance at www.eenadu.net with
> Padma and www.sakshi.com with proprietary font loaded. You will see
> extraneous characters (double dagger with www.sakshi.com.
[...]

Neither of these pages seem to be UTF-8 encoded.
http://www.eenadu.net/ has charset=windows-1252,
and charset=ISO-8859-1, and my Firefox3 recognises
it as windows-1252. Of course, it does not have
the proper font, so cannot show the characters
correctly.

http://www.sakshi.com/ does not specify a charset,
so my Firefox defaults to UTF-8, but that is obviously
wrong. Downloading the font, SW908.TTF, shows Telugu
characters in places reserved for ASCII, and nothing in
the places reserved for Telugu, so it is obviously
non-Unicode. The portions that look OK seem to be images.
However, one should be able to map this font for
Padma.

Regards,
Gora

From arjunaraoc at googlemail.com  Sun May  3 06:57:08 2009
From: arjunaraoc at googlemail.com (arjuna rao chavala)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 19:27:08 +0530
Subject: [Padma] How to handle proprietary fonts encoded in utf-8
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On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Gora Mohanty <gora at sarai.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:53:57 +0530
> arjuna rao chavala <arjunaraoc at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > No need to be aware of language. Just have a glance at www.eenadu.netwith
> > Padma and www.sakshi.com with proprietary font loaded. You will see
> > extraneous characters (double dagger with www.sakshi.com.
> [...]
>
> Neither of these pages seem to be UTF-8 encoded.
> http://www.eenadu.net/ has charset=windows-1252,
> and charset=ISO-8859-1, and my Firefox3 recognises
> it as windows-1252. Of course, it does not have
> the proper font, so cannot show the characters
> correctly.

My point was not about eenadu

>
>
> http://www.sakshi.com/ does not specify a charset,
> so my Firefox defaults to UTF-8, but that is obviously
> wrong. Downloading the font, SW908.TTF, shows Telugu
> characters in places reserved for ASCII, and nothing in
> the places reserved for Telugu, so it is obviously
> non-Unicode. The portions that look OK seem to be images.
> However, one should be able to map this font for
> Padma.
>
Please select non utf-8 as encoding and see that Sakshi does not display
telugu properly in many of the places.


>
> Regards,
> Gora
> _______________________________________________
> Padma mailing list
> Padma at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma
>

From gora at sarai.net  Sun May  3 11:34:55 2009
From: gora at sarai.net (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 00:04:55 +0530
Subject: [Padma] How to handle proprietary fonts encoded in utf-8
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On Sun, 3 May 2009 19:27:08 +0530
arjuna rao chavala <arjunaraoc at googlemail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Gora Mohanty <gora at sarai.net> wrote:

> My point was not about eenadu

Um, OK.

> > http://www.sakshi.com/ does not specify a charset,
> > so my Firefox defaults to UTF-8, but that is obviously
> > wrong. Downloading the font, SW908.TTF, shows Telugu
> > characters in places reserved for ASCII, and nothing in
> > the places reserved for Telugu, so it is obviously
> > non-Unicode. The portions that look OK seem to be images.
> > However, one should be able to map this font for
> > Padma.
> >
> Please select non utf-8 as encoding and see that Sakshi does not display
> telugu properly in many of the places.
[...]

That is the point. There is no standardised encoding that
the site seems to follow, so (without Padma) the only way
to get a standards-compliant browser to render it properly
is to download their font, with the proprietary encoding,
and always use that for this site.

However, this is exactly the problem that Padma was designed
to solve. If you make appropriate tables for Padma, using the
SW908.TTF font used on the site, Padma will automagically convert
it to UTF-8 for you.

Regards,
Gora

From haridallas at gmail.com  Sat May 16 20:27:37 2009
From: haridallas at gmail.com (hariharan Ramamurthy)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 22:27:37 -0500
Subject: [Padma] please give  support  for  sakshi
Message-ID: <46D68105766B48449EE20F7815424BBB@hari1956>

 One of the upcoming and major online paper sakshi  font  

 SW908  please support  RTS conversion  for this  website  

 

This is  useful for  a research project I am doing  

 

Thanks  

 

Dr. Hariharan  

haridallas at gmail.com


From vsrawat at gmail.com  Sat May 16 20:37:28 2009
From: vsrawat at gmail.com (V S Rawat)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 09:07:28 +0530
Subject: [Padma] please give  support  for  sakshi
In-Reply-To: <46D68105766B48449EE20F7815424BBB@hari1956>
References: <46D68105766B48449EE20F7815424BBB@hari1956>
Message-ID: <4A0F8678.70501@gmail.com>

Could you mention some link of the website or where the information of 
this project is there or where sakshi font can be downloaded along with 
some text in it.

Thanks.
--
Rawat

On 5/17/2009 8:57 AM India Time, _hariharan Ramamurthy_ wrote:

>  One of the upcoming and major online paper sakshi  font  
> 
>  SW908  please support  RTS conversion  for this  website  
> 
>  
> 
> This is  useful for  a research project I am doing  
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks  
> Dr. Hariharan  
> haridallas at gmail.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Padma mailing list
> Padma at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma


From arjunaraoc at googlemail.com  Mon May 18 10:54:54 2009
From: arjunaraoc at googlemail.com (arjuna rao chavala)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 23:24:54 +0530
Subject: [Padma] please give support for sakshi
In-Reply-To: <46D68105766B48449EE20F7815424BBB@hari1956>
References: <46D68105766B48449EE20F7815424BBB@hari1956>
Message-ID: <8426eb510905181054t5c8a5ed1mf66a103e9ff28559@mail.gmail.com>

I have attempted  and shared the difficulties in a previous post on this
list.
As of now,  Linux users are able to read Sakshi (without padma) after
installing the font,  though  there were  some unnecessary symbols in
between Telugu text,

Regards
Arjun
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 8:57 AM, hariharan Ramamurthy
<haridallas at gmail.com>wrote:

>  One of the upcoming and major online paper sakshi  font
>
>  SW908  please support  RTS conversion  for this  website
>
>
>
> This is  useful for  a research project I am doing
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Dr. Hariharan
>
> haridallas at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Padma mailing list
> Padma at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma
>

From harshita at atc.tcs.com  Tue May 19 00:47:34 2009
From: harshita at atc.tcs.com (harshita at atc.tcs.com)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:17:34 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Padma] please give support for sakshi
In-Reply-To: <8426eb510905181054t5c8a5ed1mf66a103e9ff28559@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46D68105766B48449EE20F7815424BBB@hari1956>
	<8426eb510905181054t5c8a5ed1mf66a103e9ff28559@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d8995b74612082a22dc81b104e916154.squirrel@172.25.149.2>

Hi Arjun,

  In one of your previous mails you mentioned about enclosing .js file but
I couldn't find it. Can you please send it again.

regards,
harshita


> I have attempted  and shared the difficulties in a previous post on this
> list.
> As of now,  Linux users are able to read Sakshi (without padma) after
> installing the font,  though  there were  some unnecessary symbols in
> between Telugu text,
>
> Regards
> Arjun
> On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 8:57 AM, hariharan Ramamurthy
> <haridallas at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>  One of the upcoming and major online paper sakshi  font
>>
>>  SW908  please support  RTS conversion  for this  website
>>
>>
>>
>> This is  useful for  a research project I am doing
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. Hariharan
>>
>> haridallas at gmail.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Padma mailing list
>> Padma at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Padma mailing list
> Padma at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma
>



From vsrawat at gmail.com  Sat May 16 04:22:52 2009
From: vsrawat at gmail.com (V S Rawat)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 16:52:52 +0530
Subject: [Padma] Any conversion program to convert Arjun and Kalidas font to
	Unicode?
Message-ID: <4A0EA20C.1020109@gmail.com>

Could anyone suggest any conversion program to convert Arjun-wide font 
and Kalidas font to Unicode?

I myself have one to convert from arjun to unicode but this font is 
arjun-wd so I guess its character map would be different.

Thanks.
--
rawat

From arjunaraoc at googlemail.com  Wed May 20 09:16:36 2009
From: arjunaraoc at googlemail.com (arjuna rao chavala)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 21:46:36 +0530
Subject: [Padma] please give support for sakshi
In-Reply-To: <d8995b74612082a22dc81b104e916154.squirrel@172.25.149.2>
References: <46D68105766B48449EE20F7815424BBB@hari1956>
	<8426eb510905181054t5c8a5ed1mf66a103e9ff28559@mail.gmail.com>
	<d8995b74612082a22dc81b104e916154.squirrel@172.25.149.2>
Message-ID: <8426eb510905200916r14a4be7t6252b76a415f02ee@mail.gmail.com>

sent privately to  Harshita's  email id.

Regards
Arjun

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:17 PM, <harshita at atc.tcs.com> wrote:

> Hi Arjun,
>
>  In one of your previous mails you mentioned about enclosing .js file but
> I couldn't find it. Can you please send it again.
>
> regards,
> harshita
>
>
> > I have attempted  and shared the difficulties in a previous post on this
> > list.
> > As of now,  Linux users are able to read Sakshi (without padma) after
> > installing the font,  though  there were  some unnecessary symbols in
> > between Telugu text,
> >
> > Regards
> > Arjun
> > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 8:57 AM, hariharan Ramamurthy
> > <haridallas at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >>  One of the upcoming and major online paper sakshi  font
> >>
> >>  SW908  please support  RTS conversion  for this  website
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This is  useful for  a research project I am doing
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dr. Hariharan
> >>
> >> haridallas at gmail.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Padma mailing list
> >> Padma at mozdev.org
> >> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Padma mailing list
> > Padma at mozdev.org
> > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Padma mailing list
> Padma at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma
>

From harshita at atc.tcs.com  Wed May 20 23:49:57 2009
From: harshita at atc.tcs.com (harshita at atc.tcs.com)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 12:19:57 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Padma] Any conversion program to convert Arjun and Kalidas
 font to Unicode?
In-Reply-To: <4A0EA20C.1020109@gmail.com>
References: <4A0EA20C.1020109@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c63649d01d0c0652fe269b58f1551e27.squirrel@172.25.149.2>


Hi Rawat,

 If you have .ttf files for both the fonts, you can compare them easily by
using fontforge tool for similarity.

  you have mentioned about having a converter for arjun font. If it can be
a part of padma (i.e in the form of.js file in padma) you can test the
conversion by replacing fontface to "arjun-wd"(in place arjun).

 By looking at the the names arjun & arjunwide I guess character maps
might be similar. I have seen fonts like ManjushaMedium, ManjushaBold and
priyaanka, priyaankabold which has the similarity.

regards,
harshita


> Could anyone suggest any conversion program to convert Arjun-wide font
> and Kalidas font to Unicode?
> I myself have one to convert from arjun to unicode but this font is
> arjun-wd so I guess its character map would be different.
>
> Thanks.
> --
> rawat
> _______________________________________________
> Padma mailing list
> Padma at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma
>