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From garrynagra at hotmail.com Mon May 7 17:33:16 2007 From: garrynagra at hotmail.com (Harnarinder Singh) Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 06:03:16 +0530 Subject: [Padma] Viewing Gurmukhi Script with Padma on FFox2 Message-ID: Hi all, I am a new convert to the firefox camp and not a coder by any standards! I generally view a website - www.ajitjalandhar.com, a punjabi website, which uses the Satluj font (a "Gurmukhi" kind of font). I recently found the "Padma" extension, for viewing various Indic fonts correctly under firefox (2.0.0.4) and am running the latest (I think ver. 0.4.10) version. I tried to add the above website (a punjabi news website that my wife is a fan of!) to the default list, but it didn't work. I also looked at previous posts by AS Alam, Golam etc. to try and make it work, but still nothing! Any and all help on this topic is heartily appreciated. Thank you, Garry _________________________________________________________________ Best Hotel Deals. Click here Now http://ss1.richmedia.in/recurl.asp?pid=19 From apbrar at gmail.com Mon May 7 18:15:09 2007 From: apbrar at gmail.com (A S Alam) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:45:09 +0530 Subject: [Padma] Viewing Gurmukhi Script with Padma on FFox2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200705080645.09939.apbrar@gmail.com> On Tuesday 08 May 2007 6:03:16 am Harnarinder Singh wrote: > Hi all, > > I am a new convert to the firefox camp and not a coder by any standards! > I generally view a website - www.ajitjalandhar.com, > a punjabi website, which uses the Satluj font (a > "Gurmukhi" kind of font). I recently found the "Padma" extension, for > viewing various Indic fonts correctly under firefox (2.0.0.4) and am > running the latest (I think ver. 0.4.10) version. I tried to add the > above website (a punjabi news website that my wife is a fan of!) to the > default list, but it didn't work. I also looked at previous posts by AS > Alam, Golam etc. to try and make it work, but still nothing! > > Any and all help on this topic is heartily appreciated. > please check at website, http://code.google.com/p/gurmukhi/ padma developer has lack of time to put in source, so I released for Punjabi for testing on own site. still working on projcet to add more coding, please reply if found error on punjabi list thanks -- A S Alam ********** *****POST***** http://www.satluj.org tz: GMT+5:30 "Either find a way or make one" ********** From vsrawat at gmail.com Wed May 9 07:15:36 2007 From: vsrawat at gmail.com (V S Rawat) Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 19:45:36 +0530 Subject: [Padma] How to manually transform a page by Padma? Message-ID: <4641D788.9040804@gmail.com> I have created a local html file in Chanakya font (hindi/ devnagari) as follows: none ?????U ?U???? ?????U?U ?????U ????U ?????U ???#???U?? ??? ??? ????# ???U?? when I move this file say chankaya.html into my firefox tab, it shows ?????U ?U??? ?????U?U ?????U ???U ?????U ???#???U?? ??? ??? ????# ???U? 1. Why is automatic transformation not taking place? 2. How to force-transform it? 3. this is a local file on my hard disk, so I can't associate any url/ site name with it (no www.xxxx.com). What should I do and what should I for such files in the padma options window to automatically transform any particular file on my harddisk? any other tips. has some urgency. a quick response will be highly appreciated. thanks & regards. -- Rawat From vnagarjuna at gmail.com Wed May 9 07:34:26 2007 From: vnagarjuna at gmail.com (Nagarjuna Venna) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 10:34:26 -0400 Subject: [Padma] How to manually transform a page by Padma? In-Reply-To: <4641D788.9040804@gmail.com> References: <4641D788.9040804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <89531ffe0705090734wda28b29w5a4472ea3c72942a@mail.gmail.com> Automatic transform works by examining URL's. The main reason for this is not to slow down loading of pages that Padma does not know how to process. You can use the manual transformer here - select the text, bring up the context menu (right click typically), and click on Transform to Unicode. Thanks, Nagarjuna On 5/9/07, V S Rawat wrote: > I have created a local html file in Chanakya font (hindi/ devnagari) as > follows: > > none > > ?????U ?U???? > ?????U?U ?????U ????U > ?????U ???#???U?? ??? ??? > ????# ???U?? > > > > > when I move this file say chankaya.html into my firefox tab, it shows > > ?????U ?U??? ?????U?U ?????U ???U ?????U ???#???U?? ??? ??? ????# ???U? > > 1. Why is automatic transformation not taking place? > > 2. How to force-transform it? > > 3. this is a local file on my hard disk, so I can't associate any url/ > site name with it (no www.xxxx.com). What should I do and what should I > for such files in the padma options window to automatically transform > any particular file on my harddisk? > > any other tips. > > has some urgency. a quick response will be highly appreciated. > > thanks & regards. > -- > Rawat > _______________________________________________ > Padma mailing list > Padma at mozdev.org > http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma > From vsrawat at gmail.com Wed May 9 08:27:47 2007 From: vsrawat at gmail.com (V S Rawat) Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 20:57:47 +0530 Subject: [Padma] How to manually transform a page by Padma? In-Reply-To: <89531ffe0705090734wda28b29w5a4472ea3c72942a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4641D788.9040804@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705090734wda28b29w5a4472ea3c72942a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4641E873.1080602@gmail.com> thanks, Nagarjuna for the quick response. just clicking right click on the page bring right click menu in which no padma related option is there. so I selected the entire text of the page, and then selected "Transform to Unicode". Nothing happened. Is something wrong in the html that I cooked up manually. attaching the file there for your analysis. if attachments are not allowed, then the html code is in the previous message quoted below. Kindly have a look at it and advise me why this code is not triggering the manual transform to unicode. thanks and regards. -- Rawat On 5/9/2007 08:04 PM India Time, _Nagarjuna Venna_ wrote: > Automatic transform works by examining URL's. The main reason for this > is not to slow down loading of pages that Padma does not know how to > process. You can use the manual transformer here - select the text, > bring up the context menu (right click typically), and click on > Transform to Unicode. > > Thanks, > Nagarjuna > > On 5/9/07, V S Rawat wrote: >> I have created a local html file in Chanakya font (hindi/ devnagari) as >> follows: >> >> none >> >> ?????U ?U???? >> ?????U?U ?????U ????U >> ?????U ???#???U?? ??? ??? >> ????# ???U?? >> >> >> >> >> when I move this file say chankaya.html into my firefox tab, it shows >> >> ?????U ?U??? ?????U?U ?????U ???U ?????U ???#???U?? ??? ??? ????# ???U? >> >> 1. Why is automatic transformation not taking place? >> >> 2. How to force-transform it? >> >> 3. this is a local file on my hard disk, so I can't associate any url/ >> site name with it (no www.xxxx.com). What should I do and what should I >> for such files in the padma options window to automatically transform >> any particular file on my harddisk? >> >> any other tips. >> >> has some urgency. a quick response will be highly appreciated. >> >> thanks & regards. >> -- >> Rawat From plehal at rimptec.com Wed May 9 12:44:37 2007 From: plehal at rimptec.com (P.S.Lehal) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 15:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Padma] Accessing transformed text In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60682.209.221.240.193.1178739877.squirrel@www.lehal.net> Hello, Is it possible to store the transformed text in some variable in order to save the file locally for further processing such as translation to another language etc? Regards, Parminder S. Lehal From vnagarjuna at gmail.com Wed May 9 14:31:40 2007 From: vnagarjuna at gmail.com (Nagarjuna Venna) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 17:31:40 -0400 Subject: [Padma] How to manually transform a page by Padma? In-Reply-To: <4641E873.1080602@gmail.com> References: <4641D788.9040804@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705090734wda28b29w5a4472ea3c72942a@mail.gmail.com> <4641E873.1080602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <89531ffe0705091431m331db20ao85eda089ca10fbf@mail.gmail.com> Not sure what are doing wrong. I saved your HTML locally and after selecting the transfrom to unicode option, here is what I have - ????? ???? ??????? ????? ???? ????? ??????????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? Thanks On 5/9/07, V S Rawat wrote: > thanks, Nagarjuna for the quick response. > > just clicking right click on the page bring right click menu in which no > padma related option is there. > > so I selected the entire text of the page, and then selected "Transform > to Unicode". > > Nothing happened. > > Is something wrong in the html that I cooked up manually. attaching the > file there for your analysis. > > if attachments are not allowed, then the html code is in the previous > message quoted below. > > Kindly have a look at it and advise me why this code is not triggering > the manual transform to unicode. > > thanks and regards. > -- > Rawat > > > On 5/9/2007 08:04 PM India Time, _Nagarjuna Venna_ wrote: > > > Automatic transform works by examining URL's. The main reason for this > > is not to slow down loading of pages that Padma does not know how to > > process. You can use the manual transformer here - select the text, > > bring up the context menu (right click typically), and click on > > Transform to Unicode. > > > > Thanks, > > Nagarjuna > > > > On 5/9/07, V S Rawat wrote: > >> I have created a local html file in Chanakya font (hindi/ devnagari) as > >> follows: > >> > >> none > >> > >> ?????U ?U???? > >> ?????U?U ?????U ????U > >> ?????U ???#???U?? ??? ??? > >> ????# ???U?? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> when I move this file say chankaya.html into my firefox tab, it shows > >> > >> ?????U ?U??? ?????U?U ?????U ???U ?????U ???#???U?? ??? ??? ????# ???U? > >> > >> 1. Why is automatic transformation not taking place? > >> > >> 2. How to force-transform it? > >> > >> 3. this is a local file on my hard disk, so I can't associate any url/ > >> site name with it (no www.xxxx.com). What should I do and what should I > >> for such files in the padma options window to automatically transform > >> any particular file on my harddisk? > >> > >> any other tips. > >> > >> has some urgency. a quick response will be highly appreciated. > >> > >> thanks & regards. > >> -- > >> Rawat > > > _______________________________________________ > Padma mailing list > Padma at mozdev.org > http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma > > From vnagarjuna at gmail.com Wed May 9 14:35:53 2007 From: vnagarjuna at gmail.com (Nagarjuna Venna) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 17:35:53 -0400 Subject: [Padma] Accessing transformed text In-Reply-To: <60682.209.221.240.193.1178739877.squirrel@www.lehal.net> References: <60682.209.221.240.193.1178739877.squirrel@www.lehal.net> Message-ID: <89531ffe0705091435n6d4b5864p3e4a39e8284221db@mail.gmail.com> Maybe I am missing something here - but can't you just copy the transformed text into a file? Thanks, Nagarjuna On 5/9/07, P.S.Lehal wrote: > Hello, > > Is it possible to store the transformed text in some variable in order to > save the file locally for further processing such as translation to > another language etc? > > > Regards, > > Parminder S. Lehal > > > > _______________________________________________ > Padma mailing list > Padma at mozdev.org > http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma > From saravanannkl at gmail.com Wed May 9 16:39:02 2007 From: saravanannkl at gmail.com (Saravana) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 18:39:02 -0500 Subject: [Padma] How to manually transform a page by Padma? In-Reply-To: <89531ffe0705091431m331db20ao85eda089ca10fbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <4641D788.9040804@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705090734wda28b29w5a4472ea3c72942a@mail.gmail.com> <4641E873.1080602@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705091431m331db20ao85eda089ca10fbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I did the same thing as Nagarjuna. Padma is transforming the text in the HTML. Rawat which version of Padma are you using ? Thanks Saravanan On 5/9/07, Nagarjuna Venna wrote: > Not sure what are doing wrong. I saved your HTML locally and after > selecting the transfrom to unicode option, here is what I have - > > ????? ???? ??????? ????? ???? ????? ??????????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? > > Thanks > > On 5/9/07, V S Rawat wrote: > > thanks, Nagarjuna for the quick response. > > > > just clicking right click on the page bring right click menu in which no > > padma related option is there. > > > > so I selected the entire text of the page, and then selected "Transform > > to Unicode". > > > > Nothing happened. > > > > Is something wrong in the html that I cooked up manually. attaching the > > file there for your analysis. > > > > if attachments are not allowed, then the html code is in the previous > > message quoted below. > > > > Kindly have a look at it and advise me why this code is not triggering > > the manual transform to unicode. > > > > thanks and regards. > > -- > > Rawat > > > > > > On 5/9/2007 08:04 PM India Time, _Nagarjuna Venna_ wrote: > > > > > Automatic transform works by examining URL's. The main reason for this > > > is not to slow down loading of pages that Padma does not know how to > > > process. You can use the manual transformer here - select the text, > > > bring up the context menu (right click typically), and click on > > > Transform to Unicode. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Nagarjuna > > > > > > On 5/9/07, V S Rawat wrote: > > >> I have created a local html file in Chanakya font (hindi/ devnagari) as > > >> follows: > > >> > > >> none > > >> > > >> ?????U ?U???? > > >> ?????U?U ?????U ????U > > >> ?????U ???#???U?? ??? ??? > > >> ????# ???U?? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> when I move this file say chankaya.html into my firefox tab, it shows > > >> > > >> ?????U ?U??? ?????U?U ?????U ???U ?????U ???#???U?? ??? ??? ????# ???U? > > >> > > >> 1. Why is automatic transformation not taking place? > > >> > > >> 2. How to force-transform it? > > >> > > >> 3. this is a local file on my hard disk, so I can't associate any url/ > > >> site name with it (no www.xxxx.com). What should I do and what should I > > >> for such files in the padma options window to automatically transform > > >> any particular file on my harddisk? > > >> > > >> any other tips. > > >> > > >> has some urgency. a quick response will be highly appreciated. > > >> > > >> thanks & regards. > > >> -- > > >> Rawat > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Padma mailing list > > Padma at mozdev.org > > http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Padma mailing list > Padma at mozdev.org > http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma > From vsrawat at gmail.com Wed May 9 20:49:33 2007 From: vsrawat at gmail.com (V S Rawat) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:19:33 +0530 Subject: [Padma] How to manually transform a page by Padma? In-Reply-To: <89531ffe0705091431m331db20ao85eda089ca10fbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <4641D788.9040804@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705090734wda28b29w5a4472ea3c72942a@mail.gmail.com> <4641E873.1080602@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705091431m331db20ao85eda089ca10fbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4642964D.4080301@gmail.com> Yeah, what you got in converted code is correct. My Padma version 0.4.9 Enable Auto Transform is ticked Fix Character Encoding is ticked All Scripts and All Schemes are ticked I disabled all my extensions other than padma, and restarted so that only padma was active, but it didn't happen. I was worried whether "NoSCript" extension could be hindering it, but disabling that at all, and allowing scripts globally also didn't help. I uninstalled padma and reinstalled it from mozdev site, restarted firefox but it didn't happen. My firefox is 2.0.0.3, javascript is on java is off. could you please suggest what more should I explore to make it work. Thanks and regards. -- Rawat On 5/10/2007 03:01 AM India Time, _Nagarjuna Venna_ wrote: > Not sure what are doing wrong. I saved your HTML locally and after > selecting the transfrom to unicode option, here is what I have - > > ????? ???? ??????? ????? ???? ????? ??????????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? > > Thanks > > On 5/9/07, V S Rawat wrote: >> thanks, Nagarjuna for the quick response. >> >> just clicking right click on the page bring right click menu in which no >> padma related option is there. >> >> so I selected the entire text of the page, and then selected "Transform >> to Unicode". >> >> Nothing happened. >> >> Is something wrong in the html that I cooked up manually. attaching the >> file there for your analysis. >> >> if attachments are not allowed, then the html code is in the previous >> message quoted below. >> >> Kindly have a look at it and advise me why this code is not triggering >> the manual transform to unicode. >> >> thanks and regards. >> -- >> Rawat >> >> >> On 5/9/2007 08:04 PM India Time, _Nagarjuna Venna_ wrote: >> >>> Automatic transform works by examining URL's. The main reason for this >>> is not to slow down loading of pages that Padma does not know how to >>> process. You can use the manual transformer here - select the text, >>> bring up the context menu (right click typically), and click on >>> Transform to Unicode. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Nagarjuna >>> >>> On 5/9/07, V S Rawat wrote: >>>> I have created a local html file in Chanakya font (hindi/ devnagari) as >>>> follows: >>>> >>>> none >>>> >>>> ?????U ?U???? >>>> ?????U?U ?????U ????U >>>> ?????U ???#???U?? ??? ??? >>>> ????# ???U?? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> when I move this file say chankaya.html into my firefox tab, it shows >>>> >>>> ?????U ?U??? ?????U?U ?????U ???U ?????U ???#???U?? ??? ??? ????# ???U? >>>> >>>> 1. Why is automatic transformation not taking place? >>>> >>>> 2. How to force-transform it? >>>> >>>> 3. this is a local file on my hard disk, so I can't associate any url/ >>>> site name with it (no www.xxxx.com). What should I do and what should I >>>> for such files in the padma options window to automatically transform >>>> any particular file on my harddisk? >>>> >>>> any other tips. >>>> >>>> has some urgency. a quick response will be highly appreciated. >>>> >>>> thanks & regards. >>>> -- >>>> Rawat From vsrawat at gmail.com Wed May 9 20:54:01 2007 From: vsrawat at gmail.com (V S Rawat) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:24:01 +0530 Subject: [Padma] How to manually transform a page by Padma? In-Reply-To: <89531ffe0705091431m331db20ao85eda089ca10fbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <4641D788.9040804@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705090734wda28b29w5a4472ea3c72942a@mail.gmail.com> <4641E873.1080602@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705091431m331db20ao85eda089ca10fbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46429759.7090200@gmail.com> On 5/10/2007 03:01 AM India Time, _Nagarjuna Venna_ wrote: > Not sure what are doing wrong. I saved your HTML locally and after > selecting the transfrom to unicode option, here is what I have - > > ????? ???? ??????? ????? ???? ????? ??????????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? > > Thanks Further, my default font is Mangal, 14. Fonts for Devanagari are proportional Serif,14 Serif Mangal Sans-serif Mangal Monospace Mangal,11 Maximum font size, none allow pages to choose their own fonts, instead of my selection above is ticked. Character encoding, default cahr encoding Unicode (UTF-8) I wonder whether it helps in diagnosing. thanks. -- Rawat From vsrawat at gmail.com Wed May 9 20:57:16 2007 From: vsrawat at gmail.com (V S Rawat) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:27:16 +0530 Subject: [Padma] How to manually transform a page by Padma? In-Reply-To: <89531ffe0705091431m331db20ao85eda089ca10fbf@mail.gmail.com> References: <4641D788.9040804@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705090734wda28b29w5a4472ea3c72942a@mail.gmail.com> <4641E873.1080602@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705091431m331db20ao85eda089ca10fbf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4642981C.8060408@gmail.com> On 5/10/2007 03:01 AM India Time, _Nagarjuna Venna_ wrote: > Not sure what are doing wrong. I saved your HTML locally and after > selecting the transfrom to unicode option, here is what I have - > > ????? ???? ??????? ????? ???? ????? ??????????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? > > Thanks While padma extension is not giving me for the time being what I want, is there any web interface where I can go and get my conversions done? or any standalone program that I can download and run independent of firefox to get my text converted. Dear Nagarjuna! If I send you the text in a file, could you be kind enough and take the trouble for me to please transform the text using padma in your firefox and send me back the converted file? thanks. -- Rawat From vsrawat at gmail.com Wed May 9 22:13:03 2007 From: vsrawat at gmail.com (V S Rawat) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:43:03 +0530 Subject: [Padma] How to manually transform a page by Padma? In-Reply-To: <4642981C.8060408@gmail.com> References: <4641D788.9040804@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705090734wda28b29w5a4472ea3c72942a@mail.gmail.com> <4641E873.1080602@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705091431m331db20ao85eda089ca10fbf@mail.gmail.com> <4642981C.8060408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4642A9DF.8070407@gmail.com> On 5/10/2007 09:27 AM India Time, _V S Rawat_ wrote: > On 5/10/2007 03:01 AM India Time, _Nagarjuna Venna_ wrote: > >> Not sure what are doing wrong. I saved your HTML locally and after >> selecting the transfrom to unicode option, here is what I have - >> >> ????? ???? ??????? ????? ???? ????? ??????????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? >> >> Thanks > > While padma extension is not giving me for the time being what I want, > is there any web interface where I can go and get my conversions done? > > or any standalone program that I can download and run independent of > firefox to get my text converted. > > Dear Nagarjuna! > > If I send you the text in a file, could you be kind enough and take the > trouble for me to please transform the text using padma in your firefox > and send me back the converted file? > > thanks. This is the post I sent to firefox newsgroup. There had been some other queries related to how to handling profiles and requirements of some buttons which are not related to this ml, hence I have trimmed that, thereby posting relevant things for this ml here. ----Quoted mail (trimmed) start I thought to try padma with a new empty profile, so I just renamed my C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\profiles.ini to something else. firefox started. it created a new profile.ini which must be having a new empty profile created somewhere. I installed padma extension. VOILA. the extension could do on my file what I desired. that means - padma is not having any clash with other extensions otherwise it would have worked when the extensions were disabled. - padma is not clashing with basic firefox that is provided by mozilla. - padma is clashing with something in my profile settings of firefox. Now that is really problematic to debug. Thought I should share the entire story so that other users can make a mental note about it if they don't find desired behavior in ff. ------end quoted mail My problem is solved as I can process my files now. however, I think padma veterans should check why padma works in an empty profile and doesn't work after some (which???) settings are changed by the users. While we are at it, padma "options" from firefox don't have any entry of which "fonts" are converted by padma. We need to go to padma's websites to see which fonts are getting coverted. I think it should display some list of the fonts being converted by padma, within firefox add-on/ padma options, about window itself. Thanks & Regards. -- Rawat From plehal at rimptec.com Thu May 10 05:21:26 2007 From: plehal at rimptec.com (P.S.Lehal) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 08:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Padma] Padma Digest, Vol 21, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51983.209.221.240.193.1178799686.squirrel@www.lehal.net> That will need manual intervention which defies the purpose. I think Rawat was also trying to do similar thing i.e. using Padma as a standalone converter. I was able to get solution to my problem by using getInnerHTML command. Thanks for the help. > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 15:44:37 -0400 (EDT) > From: "P.S.Lehal" > Subject: [Padma] Accessing transformed text > To: padma at mozdev.org > Message-ID: <60682.209.221.240.193.1178739877.squirrel at www.lehal.net> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 > > Hello, > > Is it possible to store the transformed text in some variable in order to > save the file locally for further processing such as translation to > another language etc? > > > Regards, > > Parminder S. Lehal > > Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 17:35:53 -0400 > From: "Nagarjuna Venna" > Subject: Re: [Padma] Accessing transformed text > To: padma at mozdev.org > Message-ID: > <89531ffe0705091435n6d4b5864p3e4a39e8284221db at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Maybe I am missing something here - but can't you just copy the > transformed text into a file? > > Thanks, > Nagarjuna > > On 5/9/07, P.S.Lehal wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Is it possible to store the transformed text in some variable in order >> to >> save the file locally for further processing such as translation to >> another language etc? >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Parminder S. Lehal >> >> >> From vnagarjuna at gmail.com Thu May 10 05:23:35 2007 From: vnagarjuna at gmail.com (Nagarjuna Venna) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 08:23:35 -0400 Subject: [Padma] How to manually transform a page by Padma? In-Reply-To: <4642A9DF.8070407@gmail.com> References: <4641D788.9040804@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705090734wda28b29w5a4472ea3c72942a@mail.gmail.com> <4641E873.1080602@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705091431m331db20ao85eda089ca10fbf@mail.gmail.com> <4642981C.8060408@gmail.com> <4642A9DF.8070407@gmail.com> Message-ID: <89531ffe0705100523r20580220o94b7cf27273e0f6e@mail.gmail.com> On 5/10/07, V S Rawat wrote: > - padma is clashing with something in my profile settings of firefox. > Now that is really problematic to debug. Can you see if there is anything in the Javascript console when the manual transform did not work (Tools->Error Console)? > While we are at it, padma "options" from firefox don't have any entry of > which "fonts" are converted by padma. We need to go to padma's websites > to see which fonts are getting coverted. I think it should display some > list of the fonts being converted by padma, within firefox add-on/ padma > options, about window itself. > Will do in a later release. Thanks, Nagarjuna From vnagarjuna at gmail.com Thu May 10 07:19:58 2007 From: vnagarjuna at gmail.com (Nagarjuna Venna) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:19:58 -0400 Subject: [Padma] Padma Digest, Vol 21, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <51983.209.221.240.193.1178799686.squirrel@www.lehal.net> References: <51983.209.221.240.193.1178799686.squirrel@www.lehal.net> Message-ID: <89531ffe0705100719p72824715u4df3e941be7015d7@mail.gmail.com> On 5/10/07, P.S.Lehal wrote: > That will need manual intervention which defies the purpose. I think Rawat Depends on what the purpose is... :-) > was also trying to do similar thing i.e. using Padma as a standalone > converter. I was able to get solution to my problem by using getInnerHTML > command. Thanks for the help. There is a manual transformer at http://www.geocities.com/vnagarjuna/padma.html. But it is based on a very old code base, so anything but Telugu is unlikely to work. I am planning to bring that in sync with the rest of the releases over the next few weeks. I will annouce it when it is done. Thanks, Nagarjuna From vnagarjuna at gmail.com Sat May 12 06:34:57 2007 From: vnagarjuna at gmail.com (Nagarjuna Venna) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 09:34:57 -0400 Subject: [Padma] Fwd: How to manually transform a page by Padma? In-Reply-To: <46457772.7010109@gmail.com> References: <4641D788.9040804@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705090734wda28b29w5a4472ea3c72942a@mail.gmail.com> <4641E873.1080602@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705091431m331db20ao85eda089ca10fbf@mail.gmail.com> <4642981C.8060408@gmail.com> <4642A9DF.8070407@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705100523r20580220o94b7cf27273e0f6e@mail.gmail.com> <46457772.7010109@gmail.com> Message-ID: <89531ffe0705120634h79608da8lc69dcd05befa293c@mail.gmail.com> Comments from Anvar... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Padma Date: May 12, 2007 4:14 AM Subject: Re: [Padma] How to manually transform a page by Padma? To: Nagarjuna Venna I think the problem is related to the selection of encoding. If the Unicode encoding was selected as default, Padma won't work in manual mode. In Auto mode, however the fix will be applied. From his initial mail, the text was shown in Unicode Junk , instead of western Junk ! Nothing related to Padma and Firefox ! Not a bug... [I couldn't post the mail to the mailing list, but already send to Mr.Rawat directly] If this observation is correct please send this to the mailing list, so that any others can make use of the trick ! Regards Padma Nagarjuna Venna wrote: > On 5/10/07, V S Rawat wrote: > >> - padma is clashing with something in my profile settings of firefox. >> Now that is really problematic to debug. >> > > Can you see if there is anything in the Javascript console when the > manual transform did not work (Tools->Error Console)? > > >> While we are at it, padma "options" from firefox don't have any entry of >> which "fonts" are converted by padma. We need to go to padma's websites >> to see which fonts are getting coverted. I think it should display some >> list of the fonts being converted by padma, within firefox add-on/ padma >> options, about window itself. >> >> > > Will do in a later release. > > Thanks, > Nagarjuna > _______________________________________________ > Padma mailing list > Padma at mozdev.org > http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma > > From vsrawat at gmail.com Sat May 12 07:06:38 2007 From: vsrawat at gmail.com (V S Rawat) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 19:36:38 +0530 Subject: [Padma] Fwd: How to manually transform a page by Padma? In-Reply-To: <89531ffe0705120634h79608da8lc69dcd05befa293c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4641D788.9040804@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705090734wda28b29w5a4472ea3c72942a@mail.gmail.com> <4641E873.1080602@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705091431m331db20ao85eda089ca10fbf@mail.gmail.com> <4642981C.8060408@gmail.com> <4642A9DF.8070407@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705100523r20580220o94b7cf27273e0f6e@mail.gmail.com> <46457772.7010109@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705120634h79608da8lc69dcd05befa293c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4645C9EE.8030306@gmail.com> Frankly, I had spend so much time on this task, and had done it anyway through the empty profile that I talked about, that I didn't try the solution. I take it that it must be the problem and the solution. However, I couldn't understand what is the merit of keeping padma working only on non-unicode character encoding, and keeping it not working on unicode encoding. when a person is manually given a command to transform text, it is obvious that he/ she wants the text to get transformed. In such a case, why stop him to get the transformed text, why make padma sit idle without even informing that padma won't do anything on a unicode character encoding, and telling him that if he still wants it, he should change the encoding away from unicode. or is there any technical clash that doesn't allow padma to work on a unicode encoded page. I assume that it could be just an oversight on the developer's part that encoding was not taken care of, thus padma is not working on unicode pages. If that was so, I would hope that some fix would get released so that padma will work on unicode encoded pages also. It should especially work when a user gives the manual transform command, and, if it can't work, at least the user should be told to change the encoding away from unicode, or he should be told not to expect padma to work. It is excellent extension when it works. Thanks and Regards. -- Rawat On 5/12/2007 07:04 PM India Time, _Nagarjuna Venna_ wrote: > Comments from Anvar... > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Padma > Date: May 12, 2007 4:14 AM > Subject: Re: [Padma] How to manually transform a page by Padma? > To: Nagarjuna Venna > > > I think the problem is related to the selection of encoding. > If the Unicode encoding was selected as default, Padma won't work in > manual mode. In Auto mode, however the fix will be applied. > > From his initial mail, the text was shown in Unicode Junk , instead of > western Junk ! > Nothing related to Padma and Firefox ! Not a bug... > [I couldn't post the mail to the mailing list, but already send to > Mr.Rawat directly] > If this observation is correct please send this to the mailing list, so > that any others can make use of the trick ! > > Regards > Padma > > Nagarjuna Venna wrote: >> On 5/10/07, V S Rawat wrote: >> >>> - padma is clashing with something in my profile settings of firefox. >>> Now that is really problematic to debug. >>> >> Can you see if there is anything in the Javascript console when the >> manual transform did not work (Tools->Error Console)? >> >> >>> While we are at it, padma "options" from firefox don't have any entry of >>> which "fonts" are converted by padma. We need to go to padma's websites >>> to see which fonts are getting coverted. I think it should display some >>> list of the fonts being converted by padma, within firefox add-on/ padma >>> options, about window itself. >>> >>> >> Will do in a later release. >> >> Thanks, >> Nagarjuna >> _______________________________________________ From vsrawat at gmail.com Sat May 12 07:25:52 2007 From: vsrawat at gmail.com (V S Rawat) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 19:55:52 +0530 Subject: [Padma] Padma Digest, Vol 21, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <89531ffe0705100719p72824715u4df3e941be7015d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <51983.209.221.240.193.1178799686.squirrel@www.lehal.net> <89531ffe0705100719p72824715u4df3e941be7015d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4645CE70.8050002@gmail.com> On 5/10/2007 07:49 PM India Time, _Nagarjuna Venna_ wrote: > On 5/10/07, P.S.Lehal wrote: >> That will need manual intervention which defies the purpose. I think Rawat > > Depends on what the purpose is... :-) > > >> was also trying to do similar thing i.e. using Padma as a standalone >> converter. I was able to get solution to my problem by using getInnerHTML >> command. Thanks for the help. > > > There is a manual transformer at > http://www.geocities.com/vnagarjuna/padma.html. But it is based on a > very old code base, so anything but Telugu is unlikely to work. I am > planning to bring that in sync with the rest of the releases over the > next few weeks. I will annouce it when it is done. > > Thanks, > Nagarjuna I am eagerly awaiting the release of a standalone manual converter of padma. that would help us try the conversion manually so that we could be free of vast settings of firefox and thunderbird and will be able to quickly conclude whether it was profile/ settings problems, or whether the script itself needs to be looked into. --------- While you are releasing an standalone manual converter, would it be too much work to develop scripts that transform the unicoded text BACK TO proprietary fonts (unicode to chanakya, unicode to shusha, so on.)?? I mean people are having different problems. Some have got texts typed in different fonts during the pre-unicode days, thus if he has, say, 10 pages in chanakya and 2 pages in shusha, he would rather like to convert those 2 shusha pages to chanakya instead of doing all the way to convert all 12 pages to unicode. thus we can transform 2 shusha pages to unicode and then can transform from unicode to chanakya to give him all 12 pages in chanakya. people find using one whatever font more convenient, compared to using using unicode font. I mean, when the charater map between all these fonts and unicode is ready, will you please consider developing the manual transform code back from unicode to those fonts? Thanks a ton. -- Rawat From vsrawat at gmail.com Sat May 12 07:30:52 2007 From: vsrawat at gmail.com (V S Rawat) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 20:00:52 +0530 Subject: [Padma] How to add my font conversions to padma Message-ID: <4645CF9C.4040702@gmail.com> As was discussed previously, I have created a standalone Perl program that converts some 5-6 fonts to unicode. could someone guide me what needs to be done to incorporate my font conversions to padma, so that it becomes available to everyone to use? I am not much of a programmer, though can recognize small things of a java/ javascript program. thanks and regards. -- Rawat From vsrawat at gmail.com Sat May 12 07:58:14 2007 From: vsrawat at gmail.com (V S Rawat) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 20:28:14 +0530 Subject: [Padma] Change in options doesn't get reflected in right click menu Message-ID: <4645D606.10703@gmail.com> previously, I had Devnagari and Bengali scripts, and ISCII and ITRANS ticked in the options menu. I unticked Bengali and ISCII today. now only Devnagari and ITRANS are ticked. however, in the right click menu in the mail body pane, - when nothing is selected, the following options are appearing: Transform ISCII to Bengali, ITRANS to Bengali, TAB to TAMIL - when any text is selected, the following options are appearing: Transform to unicode, ISCII to Bengali, ITRANS to devnagari, ITRANS to Bengali, TAB to TAMIL TAMIL was never on in my options. why all these? thanks and regards. -- Rawat From saravanannkl at gmail.com Sat May 12 08:03:32 2007 From: saravanannkl at gmail.com (Saravana) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 10:03:32 -0500 Subject: [Padma] How to add my font conversions to padma In-Reply-To: <4645CF9C.4040702@gmail.com> References: <4645CF9C.4040702@gmail.com> Message-ID: Checkout this http://www.mozdev.org/pipermail/padma/2006-February/000049.html Thanks Saravanan On 5/12/07, V S Rawat wrote: > As was discussed previously, I have created a standalone Perl program > that converts some 5-6 fonts to unicode. > > could someone guide me what needs to be done to incorporate my font > conversions to padma, so that it becomes available to everyone to use? > > I am not much of a programmer, though can recognize small things of a > java/ javascript program. > > thanks and regards. > -- > Rawat From vsrawat at gmail.com Sat May 12 08:21:10 2007 From: vsrawat at gmail.com (V S Rawat) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 20:51:10 +0530 Subject: [Padma] How to request for addition of fonts for conversion in padma? Message-ID: <4645DB66.7070201@gmail.com> Seems today I am becoming the official spammer of Padma. I am in need of conversion of the following two devanagari fonts to Unicode. 1. JC_Hindi True Type font 2. Mfdev010 (DevLys 001) true type font I request you to please include these two in padma for conversion. of course, I understand that the actual inclusion will be possible only when you could spare time to do this. I have both the font files. Should I send them to you? thanks. -- Rawat From vsrawat at gmail.com Sat May 12 08:34:35 2007 From: vsrawat at gmail.com (V S Rawat) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 21:04:35 +0530 Subject: [Padma] How to manually transform a page by Padma? In-Reply-To: <4645CDBE.5040302@gmail.com> References: <4641D788.9040804@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705090734wda28b29w5a4472ea3c72942a@mail.gmail.com> <4641E873.1080602@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705091431m331db20ao85eda089ca10fbf@mail.gmail.com> <4642981C.8060408@gmail.com> <4642D11E.3050408@gmail.com> <4645CC71.1000203@gmail.com> <4645CDBE.5040302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4645DE8B.5060106@gmail.com> The following reply reached directly to me and probably didn't reach the list, hence quoting the same with my comments inline so that it helps all. On 5/12/2007 07:52 PM India Time, _Padma_ wrote: > I suggested the thunderbird solution , NOT to convert the existing > messages that might not be tagged properly. > > If you follow the method, > Insert html > > > as I suggested in my previous mail, it should work ... > If you see the question mark junk, it will not work. If you see the > normal western junk or the original text (if font is installed), it will > work. you are right. I could see the logic. with plain text, padma code is not able to know what font it is written in. well, I wrote those html codes its in the plain text font, and tried to convert and it didn't work. Then, instead of composing in plain text, I composed in HTML, and changed the font of those letters itself to Chanakya. As chanakya is installed in my pc, those become visible in hindi. Then I saved that mail through sent later, and in unsent messages folder, tried to transform manually to unicode It worked. the chankya coded part got transformed to Unicode Thanks, I could understand how to make it work. Hope you could incorporate enough error messages and guidelines in future versions of padam for people like me. > > Regards thanks. -- Rawat > V S Rawat wrote: >> Something is wrong with the solution. >> >> I am not talking firebox, but only about thunderbird 2.0. >> >> the mail to which I am replying was encoded in unicode, but I changed >> the encoding manually to Western (ISO-8859-1), Western (Windows 1252), >> Western (ISO-8859-15) (all those were available in the menu dropdown >> for the encoding). Then I selected the following Chankya text and >> tried manual transform to unicode. >> >> Nothing happened in either of the three attempts. >> >> Is there any particular western encoding that would work? >> or once the encoding becomes unicode, manually changing it to western >> won't work at all as the characters have already been changed. >> >> thanks > > From haridallas at gmail.com Sat May 12 09:39:05 2007 From: haridallas at gmail.com (hariharan ramamurthy) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 11:39:05 -0500 Subject: [Padma] Padma Digest, Vol 21, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <4645CE70.8050002@gmail.com> References: <51983.209.221.240.193.1178799686.squirrel@www.lehal.net> <89531ffe0705100719p72824715u4df3e941be7015d7@mail.gmail.com> <4645CE70.8050002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3e293fd00705120939t5ca2efafhd5fb8c0f13dd7b8e@mail.gmail.com> unless some one has a large in hundreds and thousands of printed pages I strongly urge every one to adopt unicode for every thing they do for indian languages so that we really will need trasformation less and less On 5/12/07, V S Rawat wrote: > > On 5/10/2007 07:49 PM India Time, _Nagarjuna Venna_ wrote: > > > On 5/10/07, P.S.Lehal wrote: > >> That will need manual intervention which defies the purpose. I think > Rawat > > > > Depends on what the purpose is... :-) > > > > > >> was also trying to do similar thing i.e. using Padma as a standalone > >> converter. I was able to get solution to my problem by using > getInnerHTML > >> command. Thanks for the help. > > > > > > There is a manual transformer at > > http://www.geocities.com/vnagarjuna/padma.html. But it is based on a > > very old code base, so anything but Telugu is unlikely to work. I am > > planning to bring that in sync with the rest of the releases over the > > next few weeks. I will annouce it when it is done. > > > > Thanks, > > Nagarjuna > > > I am eagerly awaiting the release of a standalone manual converter of > padma. > > that would help us try the conversion manually so that we could be free > of vast settings of firefox and thunderbird and will be able to quickly > conclude whether it was profile/ settings problems, or whether the > script itself needs to be looked into. > --------- > > While you are releasing an standalone manual converter, would it be too > much work to develop scripts that transform the unicoded text BACK TO > proprietary fonts (unicode to chanakya, unicode to shusha, so on.)?? > > I mean people are having different problems. Some have got texts typed > in different fonts during the pre-unicode days, thus if he has, say, 10 > pages in chanakya and 2 pages in shusha, he would rather like to convert > those 2 shusha pages to chanakya instead of doing all the way to convert > all 12 pages to unicode. thus we can transform 2 shusha pages to unicode > and then can transform from unicode to chanakya to give him all 12 pages > in chanakya. people find using one whatever font more convenient, > compared to using using unicode font. > > I mean, when the charater map between all these fonts and unicode is > ready, will you please consider developing the manual transform code > back from unicode to those fonts? > > Thanks a ton. > -- > Rawat > > _______________________________________________ > Padma mailing list > Padma at mozdev.org > http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma > -- Dr.Hariharan Ramamurthy .M.D. Dallas VA Medical Center TX USA 4216 barnsley dr plano 75093 www.daibetiisu.com www.eparivartan.com DAIBETIISU_website Daibetiisuvidya Diabetes BLOG groups.google.com/group/telugulO-DayabeTIsu-vidya/feed/atom_v1_0_topics.xml From vnagarjuna at gmail.com Sun May 13 06:41:58 2007 From: vnagarjuna at gmail.com (Nagarjuna Venna) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 09:41:58 -0400 Subject: [Padma] Padma Digest, Vol 21, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <4645CE70.8050002@gmail.com> References: <51983.209.221.240.193.1178799686.squirrel@www.lehal.net> <89531ffe0705100719p72824715u4df3e941be7015d7@mail.gmail.com> <4645CE70.8050002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <89531ffe0705130641u2241e0a0x41d44493f78350c1@mail.gmail.com> On 5/12/07, V S Rawat wrote: > > While you are releasing an standalone manual converter, would it be too > much work to develop scripts that transform the unicoded text BACK TO > proprietary fonts (unicode to chanakya, unicode to shusha, so on.)?? > A few people have asked for this before and my answer remains the same - as a matter of principle, this will not be part of Padma. However, the infrastructure to do it is in the code and the implementation is pretty straightforward - if you need it there is nothing stopping you from adding support for yourself. Thanks, Nagarjuna From vnagarjuna at gmail.com Sun May 13 06:47:49 2007 From: vnagarjuna at gmail.com (Nagarjuna Venna) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 09:47:49 -0400 Subject: [Padma] Fwd: How to manually transform a page by Padma? In-Reply-To: <4645C9EE.8030306@gmail.com> References: <4641D788.9040804@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705090734wda28b29w5a4472ea3c72942a@mail.gmail.com> <4641E873.1080602@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705091431m331db20ao85eda089ca10fbf@mail.gmail.com> <4642981C.8060408@gmail.com> <4642A9DF.8070407@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705100523r20580220o94b7cf27273e0f6e@mail.gmail.com> <46457772.7010109@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705120634h79608da8lc69dcd05befa293c@mail.gmail.com> <4645C9EE.8030306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <89531ffe0705130647jb95ac5bg14ae3f97ec0a93c@mail.gmail.com> On 5/12/07, V S Rawat wrote: > However, I couldn't understand what is the merit of keeping padma > working only on non-unicode character encoding, and keeping it not > working on unicode encoding. Padma converts proprietary formats to Unicode: if the text is Unicode encoded there is *nothing* to do, it is already Unicode. There might be value in making the user aware of it - doing that within the confines of a browser is rather difficult. It has to be balanced against usage where user selects both unicode and non-unicode text for transform at the same time. No one wants to see an error message in the latter case. Thanks, Nagarjuna From vsrawat at gmail.com Sun May 13 07:01:50 2007 From: vsrawat at gmail.com (V S Rawat) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 19:31:50 +0530 Subject: [Padma] Padma Digest, Vol 21, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <89531ffe0705130641u2241e0a0x41d44493f78350c1@mail.gmail.com> References: <51983.209.221.240.193.1178799686.squirrel@www.lehal.net> <89531ffe0705100719p72824715u4df3e941be7015d7@mail.gmail.com> <4645CE70.8050002@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705130641u2241e0a0x41d44493f78350c1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46471A4E.8080503@gmail.com> On 5/13/2007 07:11 PM India Time, _Nagarjuna Venna_ wrote: > On 5/12/07, V S Rawat wrote: >> While you are releasing an standalone manual converter, would it be too >> much work to develop scripts that transform the unicoded text BACK TO >> proprietary fonts (unicode to chanakya, unicode to shusha, so on.)?? >> > > A few people have asked for this before and my answer remains the same > - as a matter of principle, this will not be part of Padma. However, > the infrastructure to do it is in the code and the implementation is > pretty straightforward - if you need it there is nothing stopping you > from adding support for yourself. "there is nothing stopping you"???? it would surely need developing programming script. I don't know how to do that. So physical limitations are indeed there. Anyway, even if it is not a part of padma extension, can it be considered a part of the standalone manual convertor that you are wokring to revamp? > > Thanks, > Nagarjuna I can understand that you also have 24 hours in your day like other are having, still, I am seeing it more from a philosophical view point that there is so much confusion due to proprietary indian fonts, that it is hindering the moving towards unicode fonts. We have to struggle with that government released CD or search through websites to find simple conversions. People are just fed up with this all. They prefer to remain stuck with their prorietory fonts unable to find information. I have interacted quite some people in the real world, non-techy ones, prompting them to convert their data to unicode, and their single refrain is: "What if tomorrow I find that something can't be done in unicode font? Then, my data remain stuck with unicode and I can't convert it back to my current fonts. My work will come to a halt." Rising from scratch, Firefox has spread to become a name that is today on everybody's lips. Along with that, firefox's extensions and padma are available to everybody throughout the world for free for use in a convenient way. Can Padma become a platform bringing all proprietary font users together and motivate them to move towards unicode fonts by providing information and methods in easy ways? -- Rawat From vsrawat at gmail.com Sun May 13 09:02:37 2007 From: vsrawat at gmail.com (V S Rawat) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 21:32:37 +0530 Subject: [Padma] Fwd: How to manually transform a page by Padma? In-Reply-To: <89531ffe0705130647jb95ac5bg14ae3f97ec0a93c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4641D788.9040804@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705090734wda28b29w5a4472ea3c72942a@mail.gmail.com> <4641E873.1080602@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705091431m331db20ao85eda089ca10fbf@mail.gmail.com> <4642981C.8060408@gmail.com> <4642A9DF.8070407@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705100523r20580220o94b7cf27273e0f6e@mail.gmail.com> <46457772.7010109@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705120634h79608da8lc69dcd05befa293c@mail.gmail.com> <4645C9EE.8030306@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705130647jb95ac5bg14ae3f97ec0a93c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4647369D.20602@gmail.com> On 5/13/2007 07:17 PM India Time, _Nagarjuna Venna_ wrote: > On 5/12/07, V S Rawat wrote: >> However, I couldn't understand what is the merit of keeping padma >> working only on non-unicode character encoding, and keeping it not >> working on unicode encoding. > > Padma converts proprietary formats to Unicode: if the text is Unicode > encoded there is *nothing* to do, it is already Unicode. But haven't we just seen that the above assumption doesn't hold good. page encoding doesn't have any strict relation with what charaters/ fonts are there in the page. can't I put Shusha, Ankit, Shrilipi, Kriti font text in the same page with mangal and make the page encoding unicode? > > There might be value in making the user aware of it - doing that > within the confines of a browser is rather difficult. It has to be > balanced against usage where user selects both unicode and non-unicode > text for transform at the same time. No one wants to see an error > message in the latter case. I struggled with padma for a long time due to lack of error (or should I say guidance) messages. anyway. when the page text is really in unicode, why should the error message be shown? By checking the code of the character, we can find out that it is in unicode code range, hence no error message needs to be displayed. But if there is enough text in non unicode range and the encoding is unicode, then the message can be displayed. thanks -- Rawat From gora at sarai.net Sun May 13 11:25:19 2007 From: gora at sarai.net (Gora Mohanty) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 23:55:19 +0530 Subject: [Padma] Padma Digest, Vol 21, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <46471A4E.8080503@gmail.com> References: <51983.209.221.240.193.1178799686.squirrel@www.lehal.net> <89531ffe0705100719p72824715u4df3e941be7015d7@mail.gmail.com> <4645CE70.8050002@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705130641u2241e0a0x41d44493f78350c1@mail.gmail.com> <46471A4E.8080503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1179080719.12005.62.camel@anubis> On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 19:31 +0530, V S Rawat wrote: > On 5/13/2007 07:11 PM India Time, _Nagarjuna Venna_ wrote: > > > On 5/12/07, V S Rawat wrote: > >> While you are releasing an standalone manual converter, would it be too > >> much work to develop scripts that transform the unicoded text BACK TO > >> proprietary fonts (unicode to chanakya, unicode to shusha, so on.)?? > >> > > > > A few people have asked for this before and my answer remains the same > > - as a matter of principle, this will not be part of Padma. However, > > the infrastructure to do it is in the code and the implementation is > > pretty straightforward - if you need it there is nothing stopping you > > from adding support for yourself. > > "there is nothing stopping you"???? [...] Hi, I have been watching this discussion, and while I strongly agree with you on the need for a stand-alone converter, I can also quite understand why Nagarjuna is unwilling to make it part of Padma. Some of us, including a group from IIIT-Hyderabad have been talking about something like this for a while, and I believe that they have some summer students working on this. I have also been thinking about a more general-purpose Indic character processing library, that will have utility in many areas. So, let us join hands in this. There is much work, both technical, and non-technical to do. Please contact me off-list. I will also inform this list when we actually start work. Regards, Gora From vnagarjuna at gmail.com Sun May 13 17:54:10 2007 From: vnagarjuna at gmail.com (Nagarjuna Venna) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 20:54:10 -0400 Subject: [Padma] Fwd: How to manually transform a page by Padma? In-Reply-To: <4647369D.20602@gmail.com> References: <4641D788.9040804@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705091431m331db20ao85eda089ca10fbf@mail.gmail.com> <4642981C.8060408@gmail.com> <4642A9DF.8070407@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705100523r20580220o94b7cf27273e0f6e@mail.gmail.com> <46457772.7010109@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705120634h79608da8lc69dcd05befa293c@mail.gmail.com> <4645C9EE.8030306@gmail.com> <89531ffe0705130647jb95ac5bg14ae3f97ec0a93c@mail.gmail.com> <4647369D.20602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <89531ffe0705131754l7ad8db1eg91ae59344243346a@mail.gmail.com> On 5/13/07, V S Rawat wrote: > > I struggled with padma for a long time due to lack of error (or should I > say guidance) messages. > > anyway. when the page text is really in unicode, why should the error > message be shown? By checking the code of the character, we can find out > that it is in unicode code range, hence no error message needs to be > displayed. But if there is enough text in non unicode range and the > encoding is unicode, then the message can be displayed. > Sorry if my tone came across as dismissive as I fully understand your point about how cryptic Padma is. If I were working full time on this, I would pay a lot more attention to such details. Almost all of the work on Padma is done in my spare time, so I have focused on attributes that I think made the software valuable. In my mind these are making the software robust and adding support for as many fonts as possible. For the kind of things that you have run into, I think that as long as the code is solid the community will be able to help you find the issue (as has happened here). As always, it is a question of priorities and I think we disagree on what they should be. I will be glad to accept any code contributions that can help make Padma less cryptic to the users (among other things). Thanks Nagarjuna From suresh at ippimail.com Tue May 15 00:08:03 2007 From: suresh at ippimail.com (Suresh P) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:08:03 +0400 (SCT) Subject: [Padma] Bug in conversion of Malayalam Karthika font Message-ID: <46971.59.93.33.183.1179212883.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> The Karthika font conversion gives the 8M1M1(SRRRR)? incorrectly as 8M1(SRR).I found a bug in Karthika.js which results in this output. File:Karthika.js?Line No. 227: Karthika.conj_SRR? ???? = "\u00CC";? This should be Karthika.conj_SRRRR? ???? = "\u00CC"; Consequently?Line No.442: isKarthika.toPadma[Karthika.conj_SRR]? = Padma.consnt_SA +? Padma.vattu_RRA ;?This should be?Karthika.toPadma[Karthika.conj_SRRRR]? = Padma.consnt_SA +? Padma.vattu_RRA + Padma.vattu_RRA;?thankssuresh? Email and shopping with the feelgood factor! 55% of income to good causes. http://www.ippimail.com/ From evuraan at gmail.com Tue May 15 06:55:40 2007 From: evuraan at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Evuraan:?= =?UTF-8?Q?:=E0=B4=8F=E0=B4=B5=E0=B5=82?= =?UTF-8?Q?=E0=B4=B0=E0=B4=BE=E0=B4=A8=E0=B5=8D=E2=80=8D?=) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:55:40 -0400 Subject: [Padma] Does not work on Madhyamamonline again? Message-ID: <6fbcd0710705150655i15a29e32tccc20b7b26a1106b@mail.gmail.com> This issue has resurfaced *again* on http://www.madhyamamonline.com. They might have changed their font mappings again. Here's a screenshot of the issue: http://evuraan.googlepages.com/madhyamam-may07.PNG Version of the add-on: 0.4.10 From evuraan at gmail.com Tue May 15 07:16:59 2007 From: evuraan at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Evuraan:?= =?UTF-8?Q?:=E0=B4=8F=E0=B4=B5=E0=B5=82?= =?UTF-8?Q?=E0=B4=B0=E0=B4=BE=E0=B4=A8=E0=B5=8D=E2=80=8D?=) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:16:59 -0400 Subject: [Padma] Does not work on Madhyamamonline again? In-Reply-To: <6fbcd0710705150655i15a29e32tccc20b7b26a1106b@mail.gmail.com> References: <6fbcd0710705150655i15a29e32tccc20b7b26a1106b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6fbcd0710705150716t34b0f3dfga01c9811ebf8bcd9@mail.gmail.com> Ooopsie, my bad. It works, just that the Transform list had the domain name ending in .in, and I was using using .com. Very sorry..! On 5/15/07, Evuraan::??????? wrote: > > This issue has resurfaced *again* on http://www.madhyamamonline.com. They > might have changed their font mappings again. > > Here's a screenshot of the issue: > > http://evuraan.googlepages.com/madhyamam-may07.PNG > > Version of the add-on: 0.4.10 > From vnagarjuna at gmail.com Tue May 15 08:13:33 2007 From: vnagarjuna at gmail.com (Nagarjuna Venna) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:13:33 -0400 Subject: [Padma] Bug in conversion of Malayalam Karthika font In-Reply-To: <46971.59.93.33.183.1179212883.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> References: <46971.59.93.33.183.1179212883.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> Message-ID: <89531ffe0705150813s6072ff90pf2fbbd7e75387af0@mail.gmail.com> Hi Suresh, Thanks for the bug report. Anvar has provided me with a patch to fix this - I will include it in the next release. Thanks, Nagarjuna On 5/15/07, Suresh P wrote: > > The Karthika font > conversion gives the 8M1M1(SRRRR) > incorrectly as 8M1(SRR).I found a bug in Karthika.js > which results in this output. > File:Karthika.jsLine No. 227: > Karthika.conj_SRR = "\u00CC"; > This should be Karthika.conj_SRRRR = > "\u00CC"; ConsequentlyLine No.442: isKarthika.toPadma[Karthika.conj_SRR] = > Padma.consnt_SA + Padma.vattu_RRA ;This should beKarthika.toPadma[Karthika.conj_SRRRR] = > Padma.consnt_SA + Padma.vattu_RRA + Padma.vattu_RRA;thankssuresh > Email and shopping with the feelgood factor! > 55% of income to good causes. http://www.ippimail.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Padma mailing list > Padma at mozdev.org > http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma > From gkmohan at gmail.com Tue May 15 08:26:49 2007 From: gkmohan at gmail.com (Krishna Mohan Gundu) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 08:26:49 -0700 Subject: [Padma] online web editor for indian languages Message-ID: <70ec82800705150826h56570896i104357a942db2988@mail.gmail.com> Hi, It gives me pleasure to announce IndiWord beta version 0.1.0. IndiWord is an advanced rich text editor for editing Indian language documents on the web. It boasts of rich set of functionality that very few, if any, Indic web editors can match. With IndiWord editor (http://www.indiword.com) you can - Edit Indian language documents using QWERTY keyboard both through popular transliteration schemes like ITRANS, RTS and through keyboard layouts like InScript. - Use most of the Indian languages: Hindi, Bengali, Telugu, Tamil, Marathi, Malayalam, Gujarati, Oriya, Punjabi, Kannada, Bihari. - Perform most of the rich text editing actions: bold, italic, underline, text justification, setting background and text color, inserting link, creating numbered and bulleted list , the list goes on ... - Save documents. - Send emails. - Convert existing documents written in popular transliteration schemes like (ITRANS, RTS, etc) to their native languages. - Convert content from one Indian language to another. - Backtrack changes made to the document using undo and redo. IndiWord works in both Internet Explorer 6.0 and Firefox > 1.0 Visit our website and share the joy of editing documents in your favorite languages with your friends and family. Read the user guide for a quick overview. Please do not hesitate to ask questions in the forums if you need help. We will be more than glad to help. cheers, Krishna Mohan. From ossi.viljakainen at iki.fi Fri May 18 00:42:13 2007 From: ossi.viljakainen at iki.fi (Ossi Viljakainen) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:42:13 +0300 Subject: [Padma] online web editor for indian languages In-Reply-To: <70ec82800705150826h56570896i104357a942db2988@mail.gmail.com> References: <70ec82800705150826h56570896i104357a942db2988@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Please include IAST/National Library at Calcutta Romanization -transliteration scheme to the supported scripts. This would enable many western students and scholars utilize the tool for transliterating indic texts to be readable by people not mastering indic scripts. Introduction to IAST http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAST http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Library_at_Kolkata_romanization http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stone-catend/trind.htm Transliteration scheme and tables for all indic scripts can be found at: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stone-catend/trind.ht -Ossi On 5/15/07, Krishna Mohan Gundu wrote: > Hi, > > It gives me pleasure to announce IndiWord beta version 0.1.0. IndiWord is an > advanced rich text editor for editing Indian language documents on the web. > It boasts of rich set of functionality that very few, if any, Indic web > editors can match. > > With IndiWord editor (http://www.indiword.com) > you can > > - Edit Indian language documents using QWERTY keyboard both through > popular transliteration schemes like ITRANS, RTS and through keyboard > layouts like InScript. > - Use most of the Indian languages: Hindi, Bengali, Telugu, Tamil, > Marathi, Malayalam, Gujarati, Oriya, Punjabi, Kannada, Bihari. > - Perform most of the rich text editing actions: bold, italic, > underline, text justification, setting background and text color, inserting > link, creating numbered and bulleted list , the list goes on ... > - Save documents. > - Send emails. > - Convert existing documents written in popular transliteration > schemes like (ITRANS, RTS, etc) to their native languages. > - Convert content from one Indian language to another. > - Backtrack changes made to the document using undo and redo. > > IndiWord works in both Internet Explorer 6.0 and Firefox > 1.0 > > Visit our website and share the joy of editing > documents in your favorite languages with your friends and family. > Read the user > guide for a quick overview. Please do > not hesitate to ask questions in the forums > if you need help. We will be more than > glad to help. > > cheers, > Krishna Mohan. > _______________________________________________ > Padma mailing list > Padma at mozdev.org > http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma > -- -Ossi Viljakainen Jooga-opettaja, Ayurveda-konsultti +358-44-510 5674 (mobile) - ossi.viljakainen at iki.fi From gkmohan at gmail.com Sat May 19 22:56:59 2007 From: gkmohan at gmail.com (Krishna Mohan Gundu) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 22:56:59 -0700 Subject: [Padma] online web editor for indian languages In-Reply-To: References: <70ec82800705150826h56570896i104357a942db2988@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <70ec82800705192256o8d7c552r2b05cf6708e8a64a@mail.gmail.com> Hello Ossi, I have added support for IAST sanskrit. If I receive more requests for ISO standard with other languages, I will add them too. Although I checked that the inverse transliteration works good. I would appreciate if you can confirm it. cheers, Krishna. On 5/18/07, Ossi Viljakainen wrote: > > Please include IAST/National Library at Calcutta Romanization > -transliteration scheme to the supported scripts. This would enable > many western students and scholars utilize the tool for > transliterating indic texts to be readable by people not mastering > indic scripts. > > Introduction to IAST > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAST > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Library_at_Kolkata_romanization > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stone-catend/trind.htm > > Transliteration scheme and tables for all indic scripts can be found at: > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stone-catend/trind.ht > > -Ossi > > On 5/15/07, Krishna Mohan Gundu wrote: > > Hi, > > > > It gives me pleasure to announce IndiWord beta version 0.1.0. IndiWord > is an > > advanced rich text editor for editing Indian language documents on the > web. > > It boasts of rich set of functionality that very few, if any, Indic web > > editors can match. > > > > With IndiWord editor (http://www.indiword.com > ) > > you can > > > > - Edit Indian language documents using QWERTY keyboard both through > > popular transliteration schemes like ITRANS, RTS and through keyboard > > layouts like InScript. > > - Use most of the Indian languages: Hindi, Bengali, Telugu, Tamil, > > Marathi, Malayalam, Gujarati, Oriya, Punjabi, Kannada, Bihari. > > - Perform most of the rich text editing actions: bold, italic, > > underline, text justification, setting background and text color, > inserting > > link, creating numbered and bulleted list , the list goes on ... > > - Save documents. > > - Send emails. > > - Convert existing documents written in popular transliteration > > schemes like (ITRANS, RTS, etc) to their native languages. > > - Convert content from one Indian language to another. > > - Backtrack changes made to the document using undo and redo. > > > > IndiWord works in both Internet Explorer 6.0 and Firefox > 1.0 > > > > Visit our website and share the joy of > editing > > documents in your favorite languages with your friends and family. > > Read the user > > guide for a quick overview. Please > do > > not hesitate to ask questions in the forums > > if you need help. We will be more than > > glad to help. > > > > cheers, > > Krishna Mohan. > > _______________________________________________ > > Padma mailing list > > Padma at mozdev.org > > http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma > > > > > -- > -Ossi Viljakainen > Jooga-opettaja, Ayurveda-konsultti > +358-44-510 5674 (mobile) - ossi.viljakainen at iki.fi > _______________________________________________ > Padma mailing list > Padma at mozdev.org > http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma > From haridallas at gmail.com Sun May 20 07:23:34 2007 From: haridallas at gmail.com (hariharan ramamurthy) Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 09:23:34 -0500 Subject: [Padma] online web editor for indian languages In-Reply-To: <70ec82800705192256o8d7c552r2b05cf6708e8a64a@mail.gmail.com> References: <70ec82800705150826h56570896i104357a942db2988@mail.gmail.com> <70ec82800705192256o8d7c552r2b05cf6708e8a64a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3e293fd00705200723v97e0a5fw7e2e9bd12ecd100f@mail.gmail.com> dear . Mr.krishna mohan, I take back some of the comments i made on indiword web page about duplicating efforts. congratulations on a good and useful soft ware. is it possible for you to add reverse transliteration for any language I am interested in telugu/hindi/maraTi reverse transliteration mangal/arial unicode / potana /gautami fonts . i am working on modifying an english speech recognition engine to work with some indian languages . in this connection i need to convert a large amount of test and word lists to RIT and inscripts from the original script . regards On 5/20/07, Krishna Mohan Gundu wrote: > > Hello Ossi, > > I have added support for IAST sanskrit. If I receive more requests for ISO > standard with other languages, I will add them too. > > Although I checked that the inverse transliteration works good. I would > appreciate if you can confirm it. > > cheers, > Krishna. > > On 5/18/07, Ossi Viljakainen wrote: > > > > Please include IAST/National Library at Calcutta Romanization > > -transliteration scheme to the supported scripts. This would enable > > many western students and scholars utilize the tool for > > transliterating indic texts to be readable by people not mastering > > indic scripts. > > > > Introduction to IAST > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAST > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Library_at_Kolkata_romanization > > > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stone-catend/trind.htm > > > > Transliteration scheme and tables for all indic scripts can be found at: > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stone-catend/trind.ht > > > > -Ossi > > > > On 5/15/07, Krishna Mohan Gundu wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > It gives me pleasure to announce IndiWord beta version 0.1.0. IndiWord > > is an > > > advanced rich text editor for editing Indian language documents on the > > web. > > > It boasts of rich set of functionality that very few, if any, Indic > web > > > editors can match. > > > > > > With IndiWord editor ( > http://www.indiword.com > > ) > > > you can > > > > > > - Edit Indian language documents using QWERTY keyboard both through > > > popular transliteration schemes like ITRANS, RTS and through > keyboard > > > layouts like InScript. > > > - Use most of the Indian languages: Hindi, Bengali, Telugu, Tamil, > > > Marathi, Malayalam, Gujarati, Oriya, Punjabi, Kannada, Bihari. > > > - Perform most of the rich text editing actions: bold, italic, > > > underline, text justification, setting background and text color, > > inserting > > > link, creating numbered and bulleted list , the list goes on ... > > > - Save documents. > > > - Send emails. > > > - Convert existing documents written in popular transliteration > > > schemes like (ITRANS, RTS, etc) to their native languages. > > > - Convert content from one Indian language to another. > > > - Backtrack changes made to the document using undo and redo. > > > > > > IndiWord works in both Internet Explorer 6.0 and Firefox > 1.0 > > > > > > Visit our website and share the joy of > > editing > > > documents in your favorite languages with your friends and family. > > > Read the user > > > guide for a quick overview. > Please > > do > > > not hesitate to ask questions in the forums > > > if you need help. We will be more than > > > glad to help. > > > > > > cheers, > > > Krishna Mohan. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Padma mailing list > > > Padma at mozdev.org > > > http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma > > > > > > > > > -- > > -Ossi Viljakainen > > Jooga-opettaja, Ayurveda-konsultti > > +358-44-510 5674 (mobile) - ossi.viljakainen at iki.fi > > _______________________________________________ > > Padma mailing list > > Padma at mozdev.org > > http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma > > > _______________________________________________ > Padma mailing list > Padma at mozdev.org > http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma > -- Dr.Hariharan Ramamurthy .M.D. Dallas VA Medical Center TX USA 4216 barnsley dr plano 75093 www.daibetiisu.com www.eparivartan.com DAIBETIISU_website Daibetiisuvidya Diabetes BLOG groups.google.com/group/telugulO-DayabeTIsu-vidya/feed/atom_v1_0_topics.xml From gkmohan at gmail.com Sun May 20 08:43:50 2007 From: gkmohan at gmail.com (Krishna Mohan Gundu) Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 08:43:50 -0700 Subject: [Padma] online web editor for indian languages In-Reply-To: <3e293fd00705200723v97e0a5fw7e2e9bd12ecd100f@mail.gmail.com> References: <70ec82800705150826h56570896i104357a942db2988@mail.gmail.com> <70ec82800705192256o8d7c552r2b05cf6708e8a64a@mail.gmail.com> <3e293fd00705200723v97e0a5fw7e2e9bd12ecd100f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <70ec82800705200843q2cf37c66t29c5d5ee68495a32@mail.gmail.com> Dear Dr. Ramamurthy, > dear . Mr.krishna mohan, > I take back some of the comments i made on indiword web page about > duplicating efforts. > congratulations on a good and useful soft ware. I have replied to your comment in the forum. > is it possible for you to add reverse transliteration for any language > I am interested in telugu/hindi/maraTi reverse transliteration > > mangal/arial unicode / potana /gautami fonts . Yes it is possible. > i am working on modifying an english speech recognition engine to work > with some indian languages . > in this connection i need to convert a large amount of test and word lists > to RIT and inscripts from the original script . That's great. I presume the 'original script' you are talking about is Unicode. If so, what is the advantage of accessing the wordlists in RTS/INSCRIPT over Unicode. I think it makes more sense to convert them to IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet) for your purpose. There is a text to speech software made available by indlinux project. You should be able to use their wordlists directly. cheers, Krishna Mohan. From radhika.thammishetty at gmail.com Thu May 24 04:01:15 2007 From: radhika.thammishetty at gmail.com (radhika thammishetty) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 16:31:15 +0530 Subject: [Padma] Reg: Padma is not working on Firefox Message-ID: Hello, I have installed Padma on my Firefox of version 1.5.0.11. But still i am unable to view charecters in indian languages. So could you please help me out?. Regards, Radhika. From kinshul at students.iiit.ac.in Thu May 24 06:37:12 2007 From: kinshul at students.iiit.ac.in (kinshul at students.iiit.ac.in) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:07:12 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Padma] Problems in ttf to otf convertions Message-ID: <53377.192.168.36.204.1180013832.squirrel@students.iiit.ac.in> Hi As you had suggested, we are approaching our problem of ttf to otf conversion in two steps. First is to generate the reverse mappings corresponding to the given ttf file, and the next is to modify an existing otf file(of the same script type, for instance, Devanagari) using the reverse mappings generated,in order to obtained the required otf file. We have somewhat figured out how to do the second part using fontforge. The main problem is reverse mapping generation. Suppose we start working on a ttf file amarujala.ttf,(which is a devanagari font). Our task is to generate reverse mappings for this file. One approach will be to open Devanagari.js(which is found in the appropriate folder in padma). In this file we have a function "Devanagari.codepoints()=new Object()", which has mappings of the sort : Devanagari.codepoints.candrabindu = "\u0901" .. .. .. Devanagari.codepoints.letter_SHT_A = "\u0904"; Devanagari.codePoints.letter_A = "\u0905"; Devanagari.codePoints.letter_AA = "\u0906"; .. .. .. and so on These, I understand, are sort of variable declarations(codepoints) and they are initialised to their unicode values. These variables correspond to all the glyphs in the in unicode charts, for example 'codePoints.letter_A' corresponds to the devanagari character chota A. In this way all the unicode characters of Devanagari are mapped to codepoints in Devanagari.js file. We find mappings for independent vowels, consonants,dependent vowel signs, digits and some special symbols. We dont find any mappings for half forms, because they are not found in unicode charts. Further, in this file we have a "Devanagari.fromPadma = new Object();" function. This function has statements of the type Devanagari.fromPadma[Padma.anusvara] = Devanagari.codePoints.anusvara; Devanagari.fromPadma[Padma.chillu] = Devanagari.codePoints.misc_VIRAMA + Unicode_Shared.ZWJ; Devanagari.fromPadma[Padma.syllbreak] = Devanagari.codePoints.misc_VIRAMA + Unicode_Shared.ZWNJ; Devanagari.fromPadma[Padma.udAtta] = Unicode_Shared.UDATTA; Devanagari.fromPadma[Padma.vowel_A] = Devanagari.codePoints.letter_A; .. .. and so on These, I understand, are mappings of Devanagari codepoints to variables in padma class. I didnt much understand the its need (the mappings could have been directly btw devanagari codepoints and variables representing the glyphs in the proprietary ttf file for which the conversion is being done), but i was told in the last meeting that it is required for proper functioning of padma. Now , we take a look at the .js file for the ttf file which we want to convert to otf. Let us take the example of amarujala.ttf. The .js file corresponding to it is BEJA.js. So, we open it. Here we find statements of the type: BEJA.avagraha = "\u00F9"; BEJA.anusvara_1 = "\u00A2"; BEJA.anusvara_2 = "\u00B4"; .... ... BEJA.vowel_A = "\u00A5"; BEJA.vowel_AA = "\u00A5\u00E6"; .... BEJA.consnt_KA = "\u00B7"; .... BEJA.halffm_KA = "\u20AC"; ... BEJA.conjct_KK = "\u0050"; ... BEJA.vattu_YA = "\u004B"; ... and so on These are some sort of variable declarations for glyphs in amarujala.ttf and they have been assigned their hexadecimal values. They include, independent vowels, consonants, conjuncts, dependent vowel signs, digits, special symbols, etc. Then we have a function "BEJA.toPadma = new Object();", which maps these padma variables to the corresponding padma variables. It has statements of the type: BEJA.toPadma[BEJA.vowel_A] = Padma.vowel_A; '' BEJA.toPadma[BEJA.consnt_KA] = Padma.consnt_KA; .. BEJA.toPadma[BEJA.halffm_KA] = Padma.halffm_KA; ********** .. BEJA.toPadma[BEJA.halffm_CC] = Padma.halffm_CA + Padma.halffm_CA; .. BEJA.toPadma[BEJA.conjct_KK] = Padma.consnt_KA + Padma.vattu_KA; +++++++ Our plan was to write a parser which would use the statements mentioned just above, to generate reverse mappings. We planned to use the information Devanagari.js to replace padma variables with their corresponding unicode values (using the codepoint-padma mappings in Devanagari.js) and to use the information in BEJA.js file to replace BEJA variables with their hexadecimal values. This way we would have the reverse mappings. But there are many problems. The most prominent one is with half forms. Since there are no half forms in unicode charts, there are no codepoints corresponding to them in Devanagari.js and also there is no mention of padma.halffm_X in the Devanagari.js. It just appears in the BEJA.js file (see the line above, marked with ******). So, we are in a fix about half forms. There are a few other doubts(for example the line marked with +++++ is not clear), but this is the chief one. I guess we are conceptually wrong, somewhere, or maybe we need to know more. We thought about the method you suggested, in which could compare web pages (one in unicode and the other in ttf hexadecimal values), but we are not clear abt its implimentaion. We need help.... Thanks -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From vnagarjuna at gmail.com Thu May 24 08:08:29 2007 From: vnagarjuna at gmail.com (Nagarjuna Venna) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:08:29 -0400 Subject: [Padma] Problems in ttf to otf convertions In-Reply-To: <53377.192.168.36.204.1180013832.squirrel@students.iiit.ac.in> References: <53377.192.168.36.204.1180013832.squirrel@students.iiit.ac.in> Message-ID: <89531ffe0705240808j614bfb62l3685845171d3b686@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I presume this is primarily meant for Sunil, but I will address a couple of questions. On 5/24/07, kinshul at students.iiit.ac.in wrote: > These, I understand, are mappings of Devanagari codepoints to variables in > padma class. I didnt much understand the its need (the mappings could have > been directly btw devanagari codepoints and variables representing the > glyphs in the proprietary ttf file for which the conversion is being > done), but i was told in the last meeting that it is required for proper > functioning of padma. You are right that the mapping can be done directly but the main reason for going through an intermediate stage is to enable some cool applications. For example, you can now have Dainik Bhaskar rendered in Malayalam if I can understand Hindi, but can't read the Devanagari script. It also provides a simple mechanism to do the much maligned reverse mapping (from Unicode back to any proprietary font). > Then we have a function "BEJA.toPadma = new Object();", which maps these > padma variables to the corresponding padma variables. It has statements of > the type: > BEJA.toPadma[BEJA.vowel_A] = Padma.vowel_A; > '' > BEJA.toPadma[BEJA.consnt_KA] = Padma.consnt_KA; > .. > BEJA.toPadma[BEJA.halffm_KA] = Padma.halffm_KA; ********** > .. > BEJA.toPadma[BEJA.halffm_CC] = Padma.halffm_CA + Padma.halffm_CA; > .. > BEJA.toPadma[BEJA.conjct_KK] = Padma.consnt_KA + Padma.vattu_KA; +++++++ > See Devanagari.initialize(). Thanks, Nagarjuna From vnagarjuna at gmail.com Thu May 24 08:12:06 2007 From: vnagarjuna at gmail.com (Nagarjuna Venna) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:12:06 -0400 Subject: [Padma] Reg: Padma is not working on Firefox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <89531ffe0705240812u74cd030fk9621a108b4392131@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I think you have to be more specific. Do you have Indic support enabled on your machine? Do you have the right set of fonts? Visit Wikipedia pages to verify Unicode support. If that's all good, make sure that the websites you are visiting are listed in the auto-transform list. If it still doesn't work, see if there are any error messages in the Javascript console. If there are any, please post them here. Thanks, Nagarjuna On 5/24/07, radhika thammishetty wrote: > Hello, > I have installed Padma on my Firefox of version 1.5.0.11. But > still i am unable to view charecters in indian languages. So could you > please help me out?. > > Regards, > Radhika. > _______________________________________________ > Padma mailing list > Padma at mozdev.org > http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma > From radhika.thammishetty at gmail.com Mon May 28 00:17:26 2007 From: radhika.thammishetty at gmail.com (radhika thammishetty) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 12:47:26 +0530 Subject: [Padma] Reg: Padma is not working on Firefox In-Reply-To: <89531ffe0705240812u74cd030fk9621a108b4392131@mail.gmail.com> References: <89531ffe0705240812u74cd030fk9621a108b4392131@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I checked out all the specifications you have mentioned in the previous mail. Everything seems to be correct. My browser is able to render the following sites properly: http://te.wikipedia.org/ http://ta.wikipedia.org/ http://ml.wikipedia.org/ But, it is not able to render the charecters properly for the websites which are in auto-transform list. Moreover, there are no error messages in the Javascript console. So, is there any way to solve this problem? Regards, Radhika. On 5/24/07, Nagarjuna Venna wrote: > > Hi, > > I think you have to be more specific. Do you have Indic support > enabled on your machine? Do you have the right set of fonts? Visit > Wikipedia pages to verify Unicode support. > > If that's all good, make sure that the websites you are visiting are > listed in the auto-transform list. If it still doesn't work, see if > there are any error messages in the Javascript console. If there are > any, please post them here. > > Thanks, > Nagarjuna > > On 5/24/07, radhika thammishetty wrote: > > Hello, > > I have installed Padma on my Firefox of version 1.5.0.11. But > > still i am unable to view charecters in indian languages. So could you > > please help me out?. > > > > Regards, > > Radhika. > > _______________________________________________ > > Padma mailing list > > Padma at mozdev.org > > http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma > > > _______________________________________________ > Padma mailing list > Padma at mozdev.org > http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma > From radhika.thammishetty at gmail.com Mon May 28 03:19:44 2007 From: radhika.thammishetty at gmail.com (radhika thammishetty) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 15:49:44 +0530 Subject: [Padma] Reg: Padma is not working on Firefox In-Reply-To: References: <89531ffe0705240812u74cd030fk9621a108b4392131@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Removing .mozilla directory and re-installing Padma is meeting the requirement. But is there any other way to solve this problem? Regards, Radhika. On 5/28/07, radhika thammishetty wrote: > > Hi, > I checked out all the specifications you have mentioned in the previous > mail. Everything seems to be correct. My browser is able to render the > following sites properly: > http://te.wikipedia.org/ > http://ta.wikipedia.org/ > http://ml.wikipedia.org/ > But, it is not able to render the charecters properly for the websites > which are in auto-transform list. Moreover, there are no error messages in > the Javascript console. So, is there any way to solve this problem? > > Regards, > Radhika. > > > On 5/24/07, Nagarjuna Venna wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I think you have to be more specific. Do you have Indic support > > enabled on your machine? Do you have the right set of fonts? Visit > > Wikipedia pages to verify Unicode support. > > > > If that's all good, make sure that the websites you are visiting are > > listed in the auto-transform list. If it still doesn't work, see if > > there are any error messages in the Javascript console. If there are > > any, please post them here. > > > > Thanks, > > Nagarjuna > > > > On 5/24/07, radhika thammishetty < radhika.thammishetty at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > I have installed Padma on my Firefox of version 1.5.0.11. But > > > still i am unable to view charecters in indian languages. So could you > > > please help me out?. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Radhika. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Padma mailing list > > > Padma at mozdev.org > > > http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Padma mailing list > > Padma at mozdev.org > > http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/padma > > > > From sunil at atc.tcs.com Mon May 28 06:01:24 2007 From: sunil at atc.tcs.com (Sunil Mohan) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 18:31:24 +0530 Subject: [Padma] Problems in ttf to otf convertions In-Reply-To: <53377.192.168.36.204.1180013832.squirrel@students.iiit.ac.in> References: <53377.192.168.36.204.1180013832.squirrel@students.iiit.ac.in> Message-ID: <1180357284.20100.19.camel@ORange> ????, 2007-05-24 at 19:07 +0530 ????, kinshul at students.iiit.ac.in ????????: [...] > Our plan was to write a parser which would use the statements mentioned > just above, to generate reverse mappings. We planned to use the > information Devanagari.js to replace padma variables with their > corresponding unicode values (using the codepoint-padma mappings in > Devanagari.js) and to use the information in BEJA.js file to replace BEJA > variables with their hexadecimal values. This way we would have the > reverse mappings. But there are many problems. The most prominent one is > with half forms. Since there are no half forms in unicode charts, there > are no codepoints corresponding to them in Devanagari.js and also there is > no mention of padma.halffm_X in the Devanagari.js. It just appears in the > BEJA.js file (see the line above, marked with ******). So, we are in a fix > about half forms. There are a few other doubts(for example the line marked > with +++++ is not clear), but this is the chief one. I guess we are > conceptually wrong, somewhere, or maybe we need to know more. > We thought about the method you suggested, in which could compare web > pages (one in unicode and the other in ttf hexadecimal values), but we are > not clear abt its implimentaion. We need help.... There is no way to properly generate the reverse mappings from the mapping that are available in Padma. The method I have described earlier involves treating Padma as a black box converter and using brute force (helped by sample pages) to identify what input sequence will generate a required output sequence. As we talked earlier, we shall discuss again in detail in the next meeting tomorrow. Thanks, -- Sunil