From robert.staudinger at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 08:27:35 2005 From: robert.staudinger at gmail.com (Robert Staudinger) Date: Fri Nov 4 02:28:11 2005 Subject: [Maf] MAF compatible with IE's mht? Message-ID: <408d079d0511032327u57a1f176v28847ceef483d8fc@mail.gmail.com> Hi, for my bongo project [1] i'm consindering to use MAF as default file format. What i'm wondering is (-) Is the MAF format compatible with Internet Explorer's .mht format? Can files saved by MAF be opened with IE? (-) Can I tell gtkmozembed to create a MAF file instead of a .html and a -files directory? [1] http://gnome.org/~robsta/bongo.html Thanks, Rob From xknight at users.sourceforge.net Fri Nov 4 07:56:33 2005 From: xknight at users.sourceforge.net (Christopher Ottley) Date: Fri Nov 4 06:57:38 2005 Subject: [Maf] MAF compatible with IE's mht? In-Reply-To: <408d079d0511032327u57a1f176v28847ceef483d8fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <408d079d0511032327u57a1f176v28847ceef483d8fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <436B4C71.5080808@users.sourceforge.net> Robert Staudinger wrote: >Hi, > > Wow. Someone not filing a bug report. Heh. >for my bongo project [1] i'm consindering to use MAF as default file >format. What i'm wondering is >(-) Is the MAF format compatible with Internet Explorer's .mht format? >Can files saved by MAF be opened with IE? > > Nope. MAF supports two formats which are totally different and incompatible with each other, .maff which is a zip file with a folder structure and some rdf data thrown in and .mht which is a quoted-printable and base64 encoded file. IE cannot open .maff files, but can open .mht files produced by MAF. >(-) Can I tell gtkmozembed to create a MAF file instead of a .html and >a -files directory? > > Nope, gtkmozembed has no idea what a .maff file is. The MAF extension currently does some freaky javascript stuff to make it look seamless to the end user (and that's why it breaks whenever a new browser version comes out) but vanilla Mozilla would look at you funny if you asked it to open or save a .maff file. Regards, Christopher. From robert.staudinger at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 13:36:46 2005 From: robert.staudinger at gmail.com (Robert Staudinger) Date: Fri Nov 4 07:37:29 2005 Subject: [Maf] MAF compatible with IE's mht? In-Reply-To: <436B4C71.5080808@users.sourceforge.net> References: <408d079d0511032327u57a1f176v28847ceef483d8fc@mail.gmail.com> <436B4C71.5080808@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <408d079d0511040436rcfd635n37fb9e2b51d6c978@mail.gmail.com> On 11/4/05, Christopher Ottley wrote: > Robert Staudinger wrote: > > >Hi, > > > > > Wow. Someone not filing a bug report. Heh. > > >for my bongo project [1] i'm consindering to use MAF as default file > >format. What i'm wondering is > >(-) Is the MAF format compatible with Internet Explorer's .mht format? > >Can files saved by MAF be opened with IE? > > > > > Nope. MAF supports two formats which are totally different and > incompatible with each other, .maff which is a zip file with a folder > structure and some rdf data thrown in and .mht which is a > quoted-printable and base64 encoded file. IE cannot open .maff files, > but can open .mht files produced by MAF. Interesting. Is that also valid the other way round i.e. mozilla+maf being able to open IE generated .mht files? > >(-) Can I tell gtkmozembed to create a MAF file instead of a .html and > >a -files directory? > > > > > Nope, gtkmozembed has no idea what a .maff file is. The MAF extension > currently does some freaky javascript stuff to make it look seamless to > the end user (and that's why it breaks whenever a new browser version > comes out) but vanilla Mozilla would look at you funny if you asked it > to open or save a .maff file. I see :/ Is that a limitation introduced by mozilla itself or would it be viable in the future to hack the extension in a way that would seamlessly support .mht files? Skimming the maf website i came across making maf the default file format. Maybe if i would tweak mozilla's preferences through gtkmozembed that could work? Hm, maybe it would be easier to use the MAF code directly in my application. What's your opinion about having MAF provide a shared library that can read and write .mht files? Best, Rob From xknight at users.sourceforge.net Fri Nov 4 11:20:37 2005 From: xknight at users.sourceforge.net (Christopher Ottley) Date: Fri Nov 4 10:37:08 2005 Subject: [Maf] MAF compatible with IE's mht? In-Reply-To: <408d079d0511040436rcfd635n37fb9e2b51d6c978@mail.gmail.com> References: <408d079d0511032327u57a1f176v28847ceef483d8fc@mail.gmail.com> <436B4C71.5080808@users.sourceforge.net> <408d079d0511040436rcfd635n37fb9e2b51d6c978@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <436B7C45.4000604@users.sourceforge.net> Robert Staudinger wrote: >Is that also valid the other way round i.e. mozilla+maf being able to >open IE generated .mht files? > > Yep. Once they're not encrypted, have some DRM on them or are generated by Office (thereby including a bunch of XML which Mozilla cannot make hide nor hair of). >I see :/ > >Is that a limitation introduced by mozilla itself or would it be >viable in the future to hack the extension in a way that would >seamlessly support .mht files? Skimming the maf website i came across >making maf the default file format. Maybe if i would tweak mozilla's >preferences through gtkmozembed that could work? > >Hm, maybe it would be easier to use the MAF code directly in my >application. What's your opinion about having MAF provide a shared >library that can read and write .mht files? > > Hmmm. I haven't played that much with embedding Mozilla into anything (except a Java-based SWT app I was working on) so I'm not too sure what would be possible in the future (not to mention they're doing a whole bunch of work for FF 2.0 and 3.0 that I haven't been able to look at). I doubt tweaking the preferences would work but feel free to give it a shot. The core code, that creates and extracts content into and out of the MHT encoding, is in javascript XPCOM based libraries (have a gander at nsMafMhtEncoder.js, nsMafMhtDecoder.js and nsMafMhtHandler.js). With the exception of some bug fixes and optimization, that has been pretty stable since the MAF 0.4.x releases. As far as a C++ library is concerned, I had considered it, but given my C++ rustiness and my work on a ZipWriter XPCOM Component, it wasn't a priority. Regards, Christopher. From voomp at textrix.co.uk Mon Nov 7 11:45:25 2005 From: voomp at textrix.co.uk (Doug) Date: Mon Nov 7 06:45:16 2005 Subject: [Maf] Re: MAF compatible with IE's mht Message-ID: <436F3E55.7050002@textrix.co.uk> Robert Staudinger asked: >Is the MAF format compatible with Internet Explorer's .mht format? >Can files saved by MAF be opened with IE? I?m using Firefox 1.0.5 and MAFF 0.5 under Win 2000 (I had problems with MAFF v6.2 that I?ve already reported.) My experience is that while Firefox/MAFF will open .mht files created by IE 6.2, the reverse process doesn?t work. If I open a Firefox/MAFF .mht file with IE, all I get is a display of the HTML source code! Even Firefox/MAFF has a hard problem opening its own .mht files if I double-click on them ? some will open OK, but others leave the ?Open in Tabs Progress? endlessly redrawing its left-to-right progress bar. Cancelling gives a message: ?C:\Documents & settings\Doug Richardson\Application data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\sa9vbric.default\maf\mafftemp\.... cannot be found? (Where I?ve shown ? ...? there is a long string of numbers) The only work-around is to start Firefox *before* trying to double-click on an .mht file. This procedure will open most stored FF/MAFF .mht files, but in some cases pages from some websites that I?ve stored as .mht files using FF/MAFF simply cannot be re-opened (a problem that seems specific to certain company websites). FF/MAFF shows stuff like the company logo (along the top of the page) and selection buttons (down one side of the page), but the central area of the page (where the information should be) remains a glorious blank. A few months back, I installed new hard disks, and reinstalled my OS & apps onto the freshly formatted disks. The problems are still there, so it doesn?t look like Firefox/MAFF installation is corrupt. I recently switched to using MAFF?s alternate save mode, so see if this would help with these problems, but it doesn?t. So for the moment, I browse using FF, but reload pages into IE and save them from there. Best regards, Doug Richardson From tigermichael at yahoo.com Thu Nov 10 00:37:12 2005 From: tigermichael at yahoo.com (tiger michael) Date: Thu Nov 10 03:38:12 2005 Subject: [Maf] maf taken out of the active project list? Message-ID: <20051110083712.68990.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How come, Chris? Have you discontinued developing maf? __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From xknight at users.sourceforge.net Thu Nov 10 20:49:30 2005 From: xknight at users.sourceforge.net (Christopher Ottley) Date: Thu Nov 10 20:03:42 2005 Subject: [Maf] maf taken out of the active project list? In-Reply-To: <20051110083712.68990.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051110083712.68990.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4373EA9A.8080308@users.sourceforge.net> tiger michael wrote: >How come, Chris? Have you discontinued developing maf? > Active projects on Mozdev are measured by the frequency of CVS commits. I haven't had any activity in quite a while for a few reasons: 1. With a full time job I don't have the time I would like to dedicate to making MAF compatible with every FF and Seamonkey (nee Mozilla) alpha, beta and rc release 2. I've been busy conversing mostly in Bugzilla and via email (on and off list) 3. My main dev box's motherboard had upchucked and died and I just got around to replacing it (Kubutu's quirky but generally nice btw) 4. I was working on a XPZip port to the MacOS X Because of the time constraints I have (ah, full time employment) not to mention I recently joined a musical band (wish me luck, I'm performing tomorrow) and am learning to play another instrument, MAF development has almost ground to a halt. Whenever FF 2.0 comes out I already told my employer I'd be taking the day off to work on MAF, so there will be a MAF for FF 2.0. I'm not supporting any beta, or rc builds though due to the time required catering for all the different quirks each release has. Regards, Christopher. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mozdev.org/pipermail/maf/attachments/20051111/7b0226a5/attachment.htm From xknight at users.sourceforge.net Fri Nov 11 06:05:41 2005 From: xknight at users.sourceforge.net (Christopher Ottley) Date: Fri Nov 11 05:48:44 2005 Subject: [Maf] maf taken out of the active project list? In-Reply-To: References: <20051110083712.68990.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4373EA9A.8080308@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <43746CF5.7070608@users.sourceforge.net> passerby wrote: > How about FF 1.5 (non-beta, non-rc)? It's been a while since I've checked the roadmap and from what I remembered, 1.5 when completed (out of beta and rc status) would become 2.0. I just checked the wiki and 1.5 final is due to be released as "Mozilla Firefox 1.5". I will update MAF to work with it, so sorry for any confusion. Due to the nature of how MAF integrates with FF and Mozilla the 1.5 release will probably not be compatible with older versions of the browser. > Congratulations for the full-time (till you start hating it?) Thank you. And if I start hating it and there's no way to change that, I'll leave. :). Life's too short not to be happy. Regards, Christopher. From ramez.ls at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 12:08:08 2005 From: ramez.ls at gmail.com (rls) Date: Fri Nov 11 06:08:42 2005 Subject: [Maf] maf taken out of the active project list? In-Reply-To: <43746CF5.7070608@users.sourceforge.net> References: <20051110083712.68990.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4373EA9A.8080308@users.sourceforge.net> <43746CF5.7070608@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: On 11/11/05, Christopher Ottley wrote: > > > How about FF 1.5 (non-beta, non-rc)? > > It's been a while since I've checked the roadmap and from what I > remembered, 1.5 when completed (out of beta and rc status) would become > 2.0. I just checked the wiki and 1.5 final is due to be released as > "Mozilla Firefox 1.5". I will update MAF to work with it, so sorry for > any confusion. According to an "official" statement: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=339632 "Planned Milestones: 1.5Final (Nov. 18 - my guess)" That's very soon! Regards, Ramez -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mozdev.org/pipermail/maf/attachments/20051111/cf080bc2/attachment.htm From xknight at users.sourceforge.net Sat Nov 12 11:29:32 2005 From: xknight at users.sourceforge.net (Christopher Ottley) Date: Sat Nov 12 10:31:18 2005 Subject: [Maf] maf taken out of the active project list? In-Reply-To: References: <20051110083712.68990.qmail@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4373EA9A.8080308@users.sourceforge.net> <43746CF5.7070608@users.sourceforge.net> Message-ID: <43760A5C.6020108@users.sourceforge.net> rls wrote: > According to an "official" statement: > http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=339632 > "Planned Milestones: 1.5Final (Nov. 18 - my guess)" > > That's very soon! > > Regards, > Ramez Well it might take me about a week after the FF official release to get a compatible MAF version out there. I've been tracking the releases. :). Thanks for the heads up though. Regards, Christopher. From xknight at users.sourceforge.net Mon Nov 28 18:28:39 2005 From: xknight at users.sourceforge.net (Christopher Ottley) Date: Mon Nov 28 22:18:27 2005 Subject: [Maf] MAF versions Message-ID: <438B8497.6060708@users.sourceforge.net> Hello all, This is just a quick note to inform you all that I'm aware of the number of incompatibilities that FF 1.5 has brought. MAF has worked with FF 0.8 to 1.0.7 through a series of workarounds each time a new browser version was released. The workarounds were necessary due to MAF replacing functionality instead of being able to extend it via a stable API. To do this once more for FF 1.5 and maintain compatibility with FF 1.0.x would be very time consuming, so my plan is to branch MAF. The 0.6.3 version will be a bug fix and maintenance release. This version should be usable in the 1.0.x browsers. The 0.7.0 version release will only be compatible with FF 1.5 and higher (hopefully 2.0 doesn't make me do this again). This version will be the actively developed version with new features. Regards, Christopher.