From johnbickar at stanford.edu  Wed Apr  2 09:51:23 2008
From: johnbickar at stanford.edu (John Bickar)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 09:51:23 -0700
Subject: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
Message-ID: <47F3B98B.5050302@stanford.edu>

Is it just me, or have the LibX embedded cues in Amazon pages disappeared?

I've tried pulling up several titles (a half-dozen or so), including the 
one on the Edition Builder Test Page (Freakonomics), and I'm not seeing 
the cue.

Thanks,

John Bickar

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From aikhokar at cs.vt.edu  Wed Apr  2 09:53:00 2008
From: aikhokar at cs.vt.edu (Arif Khokar)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:53:00 -0400
Subject: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
In-Reply-To: <47F3B98B.5050302@stanford.edu>
References: <47F3B98B.5050302@stanford.edu>
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John Bickar wrote:

> Is it just me, or have the LibX embedded cues in Amazon pages disappeared?
> 
> I've tried pulling up several titles (a half-dozen or so), including the 
> one on the Edition Builder Test Page (Freakonomics), and I'm not seeing 
> the cue.

Hi John,

Are you referring to the Firefox or Internet Explorer version of LibX? 
Also, which edition are you using?

-- 
Arif Khokar
aikhokar at cs.vt.edu

From es287 at cornell.edu  Wed Apr  2 10:15:14 2008
From: es287 at cornell.edu (Enrico Silterra)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:15:14 -0400
Subject: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
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From johnbickar at stanford.edu  Wed Apr  2 10:17:07 2008
From: johnbickar at stanford.edu (John Bickar)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:17:07 -0700
Subject: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
In-Reply-To: <47F3B9EC.3000607@cs.vt.edu>
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Hi Arif,

Firefox 2.0.0.6, LibX v.1.2.2 (I presume this is the LibX version, not 
my build version).

I was noticing this behavior with an older build of LibX, so I just 
rebuilt a new test revision a few minutes ago, and the behavior persists.

Please let me know if you'd like more information.

Thanks,

John Bickar

Arif Khokar wrote:
> John Bickar wrote:
> 
>> Is it just me, or have the LibX embedded cues in Amazon pages 
>> disappeared?
>>
>> I've tried pulling up several titles (a half-dozen or so), including 
>> the one on the Edition Builder Test Page (Freakonomics), and I'm not 
>> seeing the cue.
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Are you referring to the Firefox or Internet Explorer version of LibX? 
> Also, which edition are you using?
> 

From godmar at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 10:22:19 2008
From: godmar at gmail.com (Godmar Back)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:22:19 -0400
Subject: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
In-Reply-To: <47F3BF93.9090304@stanford.edu>
References: <47F3B98B.5050302@stanford.edu> <47F3B9EC.3000607@cs.vt.edu>
	<47F3BF93.9090304@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <719dced30804021022k2bb6c768l5c39e1c100c88c9d@mail.gmail.com>

I still see it in Firefox on
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/006073132X with a 3/19/2008 build.

Two notes:

1. The Firefox and IE implementations are different. One might break
while the other still works. Arif is working on fixing this so we'll
use the same code for both Firefox and IE (we'll use jQuery)

2. Not all amazon pages are alike. They have different URLs and
different layouts. When saying that the cue doesn't work, list a
specific URL for which this is an issue.

 - Godmar

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:17 PM, John Bickar <johnbickar at stanford.edu> wrote:
> Hi Arif,
>
>  Firefox 2.0.0.6, LibX v.1.2.2 (I presume this is the LibX version, not
>  my build version).
>
>  I was noticing this behavior with an older build of LibX, so I just
>  rebuilt a new test revision a few minutes ago, and the behavior persists.
>
>  Please let me know if you'd like more information.
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  John Bickar
>
>
>  Arif Khokar wrote:
>  > John Bickar wrote:
>  >
>  >> Is it just me, or have the LibX embedded cues in Amazon pages
>  >> disappeared?
>  >>
>  >> I've tried pulling up several titles (a half-dozen or so), including
>  >> the one on the Edition Builder Test Page (Freakonomics), and I'm not
>  >> seeing the cue.
>  >
>  > Hi John,
>  >
>  > Are you referring to the Firefox or Internet Explorer version of LibX?
>  > Also, which edition are you using?
>  >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>  Libx mailing list
>  Libx at mozdev.org
>  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/libx
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From es287 at cornell.edu  Wed Apr  2 10:35:45 2008
From: es287 at cornell.edu (Enrico Silterra)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:35:45 -0400
Subject: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
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From johnbickar at stanford.edu  Wed Apr  2 10:36:48 2008
From: johnbickar at stanford.edu (John Bickar)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:36:48 -0700
Subject: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
In-Reply-To: <719dced30804021022k2bb6c768l5c39e1c100c88c9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47F3B98B.5050302@stanford.edu> <47F3B9EC.3000607@cs.vt.edu>	
	<47F3BF93.9090304@stanford.edu>
	<719dced30804021022k2bb6c768l5c39e1c100c88c9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47F3C430.1000003@stanford.edu>

Thanks Godmar. I had noticed that it worked differently on different 
amazon pages.

I do not see it on http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/006073132X with Mac 
OS 10.4.11, FF 2.0.0.6, LibX 1.2.2, 04/02/2008 build.

I also do not see it on http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/006073132X with 
  Windows XP SP2, FF 2.0.0.13, LibX 1.2.2, 02/07/2008 build 
(unfortunately, I cannot install a beta build on this machine at the 
moment).

Here are a couple more pages where I fail to see the cue:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0679430067
http://www.amazon.com/Writing-Circle-Rozena-Maart/dp/1894770374/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1207154797&sr=1-1

I appreciate all your help and hard work!

-John Bickar

Godmar Back wrote:
> I still see it in Firefox on
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/006073132X with a 3/19/2008 build.
> 
> Two notes:
> 
> 1. The Firefox and IE implementations are different. One might break
> while the other still works. Arif is working on fixing this so we'll
> use the same code for both Firefox and IE (we'll use jQuery)
> 
> 2. Not all amazon pages are alike. They have different URLs and
> different layouts. When saying that the cue doesn't work, list a
> specific URL for which this is an issue.
> 
>  - Godmar
> 
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:17 PM, John Bickar <johnbickar at stanford.edu> wrote:
>> Hi Arif,
>>
>>  Firefox 2.0.0.6, LibX v.1.2.2 (I presume this is the LibX version, not
>>  my build version).
>>
>>  I was noticing this behavior with an older build of LibX, so I just
>>  rebuilt a new test revision a few minutes ago, and the behavior persists.
>>
>>  Please let me know if you'd like more information.
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>
>>  John Bickar
>>
>>
>>  Arif Khokar wrote:
>>  > John Bickar wrote:
>>  >
>>  >> Is it just me, or have the LibX embedded cues in Amazon pages
>>  >> disappeared?
>>  >>
>>  >> I've tried pulling up several titles (a half-dozen or so), including
>>  >> the one on the Edition Builder Test Page (Freakonomics), and I'm not
>>  >> seeing the cue.
>>  >
>>  > Hi John,
>>  >
>>  > Are you referring to the Firefox or Internet Explorer version of LibX?
>>  > Also, which edition are you using?
>>  >
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>  Libx mailing list
>>  Libx at mozdev.org
>>  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/libx
>>

From jmc at virginia.edu  Wed Apr  2 10:35:37 2008
From: jmc at virginia.edu (Campbell, James (jmc))
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:35:37 -0400
Subject: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
In-Reply-To: <47F3BF93.9090304@stanford.edu>
References: <47F3B98B.5050302@stanford.edu> <47F3B9EC.3000607@cs.vt.edu>
	<47F3BF93.9090304@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <E10861C3437B3943AF0134044D6EB100161F2F0229@COLUMBO.eservices.virginia.edu>

I'm seeing the cues consistently in amazon.com and amazon.de using Firefox 2.0.0.13 and LibX 1.2.6 (Virginia version).  We just recently upgraded from (I think) 1.2.3 and I'm sure it was working there too.

      - Jim Campbell


-----Original Message-----
From: libx-bounces at mozdev.org [mailto:libx-bounces at mozdev.org] On Behalf Of John Bickar
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:17 PM
To: Arif Khokar
Cc: libx at mozdev.org
Subject: Re: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?

Hi Arif,

Firefox 2.0.0.6, LibX v.1.2.2 (I presume this is the LibX version, not
my build version).

I was noticing this behavior with an older build of LibX, so I just
rebuilt a new test revision a few minutes ago, and the behavior persists.

Please let me know if you'd like more information.

Thanks,

John Bickar

Arif Khokar wrote:
> John Bickar wrote:
>
>> Is it just me, or have the LibX embedded cues in Amazon pages
>> disappeared?
>>
>> I've tried pulling up several titles (a half-dozen or so), including
>> the one on the Edition Builder Test Page (Freakonomics), and I'm not
>> seeing the cue.
>
> Hi John,
>
> Are you referring to the Firefox or Internet Explorer version of LibX?
> Also, which edition are you using?
>
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From godmar at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 13:11:03 2008
From: godmar at gmail.com (Godmar Back)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:11:03 -0400
Subject: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
In-Reply-To: <E10861C3437B3943AF0134044D6EB100161F2F0229@COLUMBO.eservices.virginia.edu>
References: <47F3B98B.5050302@stanford.edu> <47F3B9EC.3000607@cs.vt.edu>
	<47F3BF93.9090304@stanford.edu>
	<E10861C3437B3943AF0134044D6EB100161F2F0229@COLUMBO.eservices.virginia.edu>
Message-ID: <719dced30804021311p47f6708awd6cb346496ee19dc@mail.gmail.com>

It's a cookie issue. Amazon sends different HTML depending on whether
you're logged in or not.
The existing code works only if you're logged in, but it should be
possible to fix so it works for both.

 - Godmar

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Campbell, James (jmc) <jmc at virginia.edu> wrote:
> I'm seeing the cues consistently in amazon.com and amazon.de using Firefox 2.0.0.13 and LibX 1.2.6 (Virginia version).  We just recently upgraded from (I think) 1.2.3 and I'm sure it was working there too.
>
>       - Jim Campbell
>
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: libx-bounces at mozdev.org [mailto:libx-bounces at mozdev.org] On Behalf Of John Bickar
>  Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:17 PM
>  To: Arif Khokar
>  Cc: libx at mozdev.org
>  Subject: Re: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
>
>  Hi Arif,
>
>  Firefox 2.0.0.6, LibX v.1.2.2 (I presume this is the LibX version, not
>  my build version).
>
>  I was noticing this behavior with an older build of LibX, so I just
>  rebuilt a new test revision a few minutes ago, and the behavior persists.
>
>  Please let me know if you'd like more information.
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  John Bickar
>
>  Arif Khokar wrote:
>  > John Bickar wrote:
>  >
>  >> Is it just me, or have the LibX embedded cues in Amazon pages
>  >> disappeared?
>  >>
>  >> I've tried pulling up several titles (a half-dozen or so), including
>  >> the one on the Edition Builder Test Page (Freakonomics), and I'm not
>  >> seeing the cue.
>  >
>  > Hi John,
>  >
>  > Are you referring to the Firefox or Internet Explorer version of LibX?
>  > Also, which edition are you using?
>  >
>  _______________________________________________
>  Libx mailing list
>  Libx at mozdev.org
>  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/libx
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From johnbickar at stanford.edu  Wed Apr  2 13:24:49 2008
From: johnbickar at stanford.edu (John Bickar)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:24:49 -0700
Subject: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
In-Reply-To: <719dced30804021311p47f6708awd6cb346496ee19dc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47F3B98B.5050302@stanford.edu>
	<47F3B9EC.3000607@cs.vt.edu>	<47F3BF93.9090304@stanford.edu>	<E10861C3437B3943AF0134044D6EB100161F2F0229@COLUMBO.eservices.virginia.edu>
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Message-ID: <47F3EB91.6060708@stanford.edu>

Great! Thanks for tracking that down.

1 vote here for adapting the code to work for both.

Thanks again,

John Bickar

Godmar Back wrote:
> It's a cookie issue. Amazon sends different HTML depending on whether
> you're logged in or not.
> The existing code works only if you're logged in, but it should be
> possible to fix so it works for both.
> 
>  - Godmar
> 
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Campbell, James (jmc) <jmc at virginia.edu> wrote:
>> I'm seeing the cues consistently in amazon.com and amazon.de using Firefox 2.0.0.13 and LibX 1.2.6 (Virginia version).  We just recently upgraded from (I think) 1.2.3 and I'm sure it was working there too.
>>
>>       - Jim Campbell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: libx-bounces at mozdev.org [mailto:libx-bounces at mozdev.org] On Behalf Of John Bickar
>>  Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:17 PM
>>  To: Arif Khokar
>>  Cc: libx at mozdev.org
>>  Subject: Re: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
>>
>>  Hi Arif,
>>
>>  Firefox 2.0.0.6, LibX v.1.2.2 (I presume this is the LibX version, not
>>  my build version).
>>
>>  I was noticing this behavior with an older build of LibX, so I just
>>  rebuilt a new test revision a few minutes ago, and the behavior persists.
>>
>>  Please let me know if you'd like more information.
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>
>>  John Bickar
>>
>>  Arif Khokar wrote:
>>  > John Bickar wrote:
>>  >
>>  >> Is it just me, or have the LibX embedded cues in Amazon pages
>>  >> disappeared?
>>  >>
>>  >> I've tried pulling up several titles (a half-dozen or so), including
>>  >> the one on the Edition Builder Test Page (Freakonomics), and I'm not
>>  >> seeing the cue.
>>  >
>>  > Hi John,
>>  >
>>  > Are you referring to the Firefox or Internet Explorer version of LibX?
>>  > Also, which edition are you using?
>>  >
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  Libx mailing list
>>  Libx at mozdev.org
>>  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/libx
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From PasleyT at crop.cri.nz  Wed Apr  2 13:34:24 2008
From: PasleyT at crop.cri.nz (Tom Pasley)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:34:24 +1300
Subject: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
In-Reply-To: <47F3EB91.6060708@stanford.edu>
References: <47F3B98B.5050302@stanford.edu>
	<47F3B9EC.3000607@cs.vt.edu>	<47F3BF93.9090304@stanford.edu>	<E10861C3437B3943AF0134044D6EB100161F2F0229@COLUMBO.eservices.virginia.edu>
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	<47F3EB91.6060708@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <47F4A49F.6415.0000.0@crop.cri.nz>

Hi,

I would also like to have this working for both... though to confirm,
I'm logged into Amazon, and can't see the cue, but I can for Barnes and
Noble - I've just done a rebuild of the current live version, (using the
'Copy
forward' function).

I'm using version 1.2.2 of LibX on Firefox 2.0.0.13, with numerous
other add-ins...

cheers,

Tom

>>> John Bickar <johnbickar at stanford.edu> 3/04/2008 9:24 a.m. >>>
Great! Thanks for tracking that down.

1 vote here for adapting the code to work for both.

Thanks again,

John Bickar

Godmar Back wrote:
> It's a cookie issue. Amazon sends different HTML depending on
whether
> you're logged in or not.
> The existing code works only if you're logged in, but it should be
> possible to fix so it works for both.
> 
>  - Godmar
> 
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Campbell, James (jmc)
<jmc at virginia.edu> wrote:
>> I'm seeing the cues consistently in amazon.com and amazon.de using
Firefox 2.0.0.13 and LibX 1.2.6 (Virginia version).  We just recently
upgraded from (I think) 1.2.3 and I'm sure it was working there too.
>>
>>       - Jim Campbell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: libx-bounces at mozdev.org [mailto:libx-bounces at mozdev.org] On
Behalf Of John Bickar
>>  Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:17 PM
>>  To: Arif Khokar
>>  Cc: libx at mozdev.org 
>>  Subject: Re: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
>>
>>  Hi Arif,
>>
>>  Firefox 2.0.0.6, LibX v.1.2.2 (I presume this is the LibX version,
not
>>  my build version).
>>
>>  I was noticing this behavior with an older build of LibX, so I
just
>>  rebuilt a new test revision a few minutes ago, and the behavior
persists.
>>
>>  Please let me know if you'd like more information.
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>
>>  John Bickar
>>
>>  Arif Khokar wrote:
>>  > John Bickar wrote:
>>  >
>>  >> Is it just me, or have the LibX embedded cues in Amazon pages
>>  >> disappeared?
>>  >>
>>  >> I've tried pulling up several titles (a half-dozen or so),
including
>>  >> the one on the Edition Builder Test Page (Freakonomics), and I'm
not
>>  >> seeing the cue.
>>  >
>>  > Hi John,
>>  >
>>  > Are you referring to the Firefox or Internet Explorer version of
LibX?
>>  > Also, which edition are you using?
>>  >
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  Libx mailing list
>>  Libx at mozdev.org 
>>  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/libx 
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From johnbickar at stanford.edu  Wed Apr  2 13:36:25 2008
From: johnbickar at stanford.edu (John Bickar)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:36:25 -0700
Subject: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
In-Reply-To: <47F4A49F.6415.0000.0@crop.cri.nz>
References: <47F3B98B.5050302@stanford.edu>	<47F3B9EC.3000607@cs.vt.edu>	<47F3BF93.9090304@stanford.edu>	<E10861C3437B3943AF0134044D6EB100161F2F0229@COLUMBO.eservices.virginia.edu>	<719dced30804021311p47f6708awd6cb346496ee19dc@mail.gmail.com><719dced30804021311p47f6708awd6cb346496ee19dc@mail.gmail.com>	<47F3EB91.6060708@stanford.edu>
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Message-ID: <47F3EE49.8060008@stanford.edu>

Yeah, it seems I spoke too soon. I just logged in and can't see the cue.

-John Bickar


Tom Pasley wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would also like to have this working for both... though to confirm,
> I'm logged into Amazon, and can't see the cue, but I can for Barnes and
> Noble - I've just done a rebuild of the current live version, (using the
> 'Copy
> forward' function).
> 
> I'm using version 1.2.2 of LibX on Firefox 2.0.0.13, with numerous
> other add-ins...
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Tom
> 
>>>> John Bickar <johnbickar at stanford.edu> 3/04/2008 9:24 a.m. >>>
> Great! Thanks for tracking that down.
> 
> 1 vote here for adapting the code to work for both.
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> John Bickar
> 
> Godmar Back wrote:
>> It's a cookie issue. Amazon sends different HTML depending on
> whether
>> you're logged in or not.
>> The existing code works only if you're logged in, but it should be
>> possible to fix so it works for both.
>>
>>  - Godmar
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Campbell, James (jmc)
> <jmc at virginia.edu> wrote:
>>> I'm seeing the cues consistently in amazon.com and amazon.de using
> Firefox 2.0.0.13 and LibX 1.2.6 (Virginia version).  We just recently
> upgraded from (I think) 1.2.3 and I'm sure it was working there too.
>>>       - Jim Campbell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: libx-bounces at mozdev.org [mailto:libx-bounces at mozdev.org] On
> Behalf Of John Bickar
>>>  Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:17 PM
>>>  To: Arif Khokar
>>>  Cc: libx at mozdev.org 
>>>  Subject: Re: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
>>>
>>>  Hi Arif,
>>>
>>>  Firefox 2.0.0.6, LibX v.1.2.2 (I presume this is the LibX version,
> not
>>>  my build version).
>>>
>>>  I was noticing this behavior with an older build of LibX, so I
> just
>>>  rebuilt a new test revision a few minutes ago, and the behavior
> persists.
>>>  Please let me know if you'd like more information.
>>>
>>>  Thanks,
>>>
>>>  John Bickar
>>>
>>>  Arif Khokar wrote:
>>>  > John Bickar wrote:
>>>  >
>>>  >> Is it just me, or have the LibX embedded cues in Amazon pages
>>>  >> disappeared?
>>>  >>
>>>  >> I've tried pulling up several titles (a half-dozen or so),
> including
>>>  >> the one on the Edition Builder Test Page (Freakonomics), and I'm
> not
>>>  >> seeing the cue.
>>>  >
>>>  > Hi John,
>>>  >
>>>  > Are you referring to the Firefox or Internet Explorer version of
> LibX?
>>>  > Also, which edition are you using?
>>>  >
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From es287 at cornell.edu  Wed Apr  2 13:47:06 2008
From: es287 at cornell.edu (Enrico Silterra)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:47:06 -0400
Subject: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
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From PasleyT at crop.cri.nz  Wed Apr  2 13:47:16 2008
From: PasleyT at crop.cri.nz (Tom Pasley)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:47:16 +1300
Subject: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
Message-ID: <47F4A7A3.6415.0000.0@crop.cri.nz>

BTW, I was using the Testing page from LibX... sorry folks

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/006073132X

Tom


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From jmc at virginia.edu  Wed Apr  2 13:53:23 2008
From: jmc at virginia.edu (Campbell, James (jmc))
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:53:23 -0400
Subject: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
In-Reply-To: <47F3F0CA.1010708@cornell.edu>
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I was seeing cues in Firefox without being logged in and I just went to Amazon using IE, which I use only for testing things and where Amazon has no cookies or history for me, and I'm seeing cues there too..

      - Jim Campbell

      Digital Access Librarian | Librarian for German
      University of Virginia Library | Charlottesville, VA 22904-4112

      513 Alderman | campbell at virginia.edu | 434-924-4985

From: libx-bounces at mozdev.org [mailto:libx-bounces at mozdev.org] On Behalf Of Enrico Silterra
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:47 PM
To: libx at mozdev.org
Subject: Re: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?

Just to add my .02 yoctocents,
all of my error reports regarding the cornell edition apply to when logged in, and
when not logged in.  My previous reports had me logged in -- cause amazon remembers me so well,
but I tried


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/006073132X

when logged out, and no cue for you.

Rick



I am logged in.

John Bickar wrote:

Yeah, it seems I spoke too soon. I just logged in and can't see the cue.



-John Bickar





Tom Pasley wrote:



Hi,



I would also like to have this working for both... though to confirm,

I'm logged into Amazon, and can't see the cue, but I can for Barnes and

Noble - I've just done a rebuild of the current live version, (using the

'Copy

forward' function).



I'm using version 1.2.2 of LibX on Firefox 2.0.0.13, with numerous

other add-ins...



cheers,



Tom





John Bickar <johnbickar at stanford.edu><mailto:johnbickar at stanford.edu> 3/04/2008 9:24 a.m. >>>



Great! Thanks for tracking that down.



1 vote here for adapting the code to work for both.



Thanks again,



John Bickar



Godmar Back wrote:



It's a cookie issue. Amazon sends different HTML depending on



whether



you're logged in or not.

The existing code works only if you're logged in, but it should be

possible to fix so it works for both.



 - Godmar



On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Campbell, James (jmc)



<jmc at virginia.edu><mailto:jmc at virginia.edu> wrote:



I'm seeing the cues consistently in amazon.com and amazon.de using



Firefox 2.0.0.13 and LibX 1.2.6 (Virginia version).  We just recently

upgraded from (I think) 1.2.3 and I'm sure it was working there too.



      - Jim Campbell









 -----Original Message-----

 From: libx-bounces at mozdev.org<mailto:libx-bounces at mozdev.org> [mailto:libx-bounces at mozdev.org] On



Behalf Of John Bickar



 Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:17 PM

 To: Arif Khokar

 Cc: libx at mozdev.org<mailto:libx at mozdev.org>

 Subject: Re: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?



 Hi Arif,



 Firefox 2.0.0.6, LibX v.1.2.2 (I presume this is the LibX version,



not



 my build version).



 I was noticing this behavior with an older build of LibX, so I



just



 rebuilt a new test revision a few minutes ago, and the behavior



persists.



 Please let me know if you'd like more information.



 Thanks,



 John Bickar



 Arif Khokar wrote:

 > John Bickar wrote:

 >

 >> Is it just me, or have the LibX embedded cues in Amazon pages

 >> disappeared?

 >>

 >> I've tried pulling up several titles (a half-dozen or so),



including



 >> the one on the Edition Builder Test Page (Freakonomics), and I'm



not



 >> seeing the cue.

 >

 > Hi John,

 >

 > Are you referring to the Firefox or Internet Explorer version of



LibX?



 > Also, which edition are you using?

 >

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From godmar at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 18:44:09 2008
From: godmar at gmail.com (Godmar Back)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 21:44:09 -0400
Subject: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
In-Reply-To: <E10861C3437B3943AF0134044D6EB100161F35D2E8@COLUMBO.eservices.virginia.edu>
References: <47F3B98B.5050302@stanford.edu> <47F3B9EC.3000607@cs.vt.edu>
	<47F3BF93.9090304@stanford.edu>
	<E10861C3437B3943AF0134044D6EB100161F2F0229@COLUMBO.eservices.virginia.edu>
	<719dced30804021311p47f6708awd6cb346496ee19dc@mail.gmail.com>
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I fixed the cue. In our current system, this means you have to rebuild
and push an update. [We'll have a better solution soon, hopefully].
The new implementation should work both for those who see the new html
amazon sends as well as the old one. You can visually tell if you see
the old or new by looking at the color of the title (they switched
from black to orange, it seems.)

One comment on how to debug this, or help debug this:
To see what goes wrong when LibX processes a cue, go to "about:config"
and add a new entry of type "boolean".  Call it "libx.doforurl.debug"
and set it to true. Then visit the page on which the cue operates.
This setting will log any exceptions thrown during cue processing to
the JavaScript error console.

 - Godmar

On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Campbell, James (jmc) <jmc at virginia.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I was seeing cues in Firefox without being logged in and I just went to
> Amazon using IE, which I use only for testing things and where Amazon has no
> cookies or history for me, and I'm seeing cues there too..
>
>
>
>
>       - Jim Campbell
>
>
>
>       Digital Access Librarian | Librarian for German
>
>       University of Virginia Library | Charlottesville, VA 22904-4112
>
>
>
>       513 Alderman | campbell at virginia.edu | 434-924-4985
>
>
>
>
>
> From: libx-bounces at mozdev.org [mailto:libx-bounces at mozdev.org] On Behalf Of
> Enrico Silterra
>  Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:47 PM
>  To: libx at mozdev.org
>
>
>  Subject: Re: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
>
>
>
>
>
> Just to add my .02 yoctocents,
>  all of my error reports regarding the cornell edition apply to when logged
> in, and
>  when not logged in.  My previous reports had me logged in -- cause amazon
> remembers me so well,
>  but I tried
>
>  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/006073132X
> when logged out, and no cue for you.
> Rick
>
>
>
>
>  I am logged in.
>
>  John Bickar wrote: Yeah, it seems I spoke too soon. I just logged in and
> can't see the cue.
>
> -John Bickar
>
>
> Tom Pasley wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I would also like to have this working for both... though to confirm,
> I'm logged into Amazon, and can't see the cue, but I can for Barnes and
> Noble - I've just done a rebuild of the current live version, (using the
> 'Copy
> forward' function).
>
> I'm using version 1.2.2 of LibX on Firefox 2.0.0.13, with numerous
> other add-ins...
>
> cheers,
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
> John Bickar <johnbickar at stanford.edu> 3/04/2008 9:24 a.m. >>>
>
>  Great! Thanks for tracking that down.
>
> 1 vote here for adapting the code to work for both.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> John Bickar
>
> Godmar Back wrote:
>
>
> It's a cookie issue. Amazon sends different HTML depending on
>
>  whether
>
>
> you're logged in or not.
> The existing code works only if you're logged in, but it should be
> possible to fix so it works for both.
>
>  - Godmar
>
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Campbell, James (jmc)
>
>  <jmc at virginia.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> I'm seeing the cues consistently in amazon.com and amazon.de using
>
>  Firefox 2.0.0.13 and LibX 1.2.6 (Virginia version).  We just recently
> upgraded from (I think) 1.2.3 and I'm sure it was working there too.
>
>
>
>       - Jim Campbell
>
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: libx-bounces at mozdev.org [mailto:libx-bounces at mozdev.org] On
>
>  Behalf Of John Bickar
>
>
>
>  Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:17 PM
>  To: Arif Khokar
>  Cc: libx at mozdev.org
>  Subject: Re: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
>
>  Hi Arif,
>
>  Firefox 2.0.0.6, LibX v.1.2.2 (I presume this is the LibX version,
>
>  not
>
>
>
>  my build version).
>
>  I was noticing this behavior with an older build of LibX, so I
>
>  just
>
>
>
>  rebuilt a new test revision a few minutes ago, and the behavior
>
>  persists.
>
>
>
>  Please let me know if you'd like more information.
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  John Bickar
>
>  Arif Khokar wrote:
>  > John Bickar wrote:
>  >
>  >> Is it just me, or have the LibX embedded cues in Amazon pages
>  >> disappeared?
>  >>
>  >> I've tried pulling up several titles (a half-dozen or so),
>
>  including
>
>
>
>  >> the one on the Edition Builder Test Page (Freakonomics), and I'm
>
>  not
>
>
>
>  >> seeing the cue.
>  >
>  > Hi John,
>  >
>  > Are you referring to the Firefox or Internet Explorer version of
>
>  LibX?
>
>
>
>  > Also, which edition are you using?
>  >
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From weilin at hulmail.harvard.edu  Wed Apr  2 21:48:34 2008
From: weilin at hulmail.harvard.edu (Victoria Lin)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:48:34 -0400
Subject: [LibX] embedded cue does not show up on some computers
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080403000925.035f8da0@hulmail.harvard.edu>

Hello, I am quite new to libX, I searched the list archives but could not 
find an answer to my problem.

Our staff member from one of our libraries, which has it own IT department, 
told us he could not find the embedded cue in Amazon book record after 
their latest Firefox update, he is using version 1.2.4 of LibX and Firefox 
2.0.0.13., their IT department asked him to contact us because we take care 
of LibX stuff. I updated my firefox to 2.0.0.13 and installed LibX 1.2.4, I 
have no problem with the embedded cue in Amazon.

I tend to think their Firefox upgrade caused this problem, such as wrong 
file permission, missing plugins, etc, do you have any idea how this 
happened and how to fix it?

Thanks




Victoria Lin
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From es287 at cornell.edu  Thu Apr  3 05:02:46 2008
From: es287 at cornell.edu (Enrico Silterra)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 08:02:46 -0400
Subject: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
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From johnbickar at stanford.edu  Thu Apr  3 10:01:57 2008
From: johnbickar at stanford.edu (John Bickar)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:01:57 -0700
Subject: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
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Phew! You all are up too early for those of us on the West Coast!

I can confirm that version 1.2.3, rebuilt 04/03/2008, shows amazon cues 
both when logged in and when logged out. (Firefox 2.0.0.6, Mac OS 10.4.11).

Thanks for the quick fix, Godmar!

-John Bickar


Enrico Silterra wrote:
> Thanks, Godmar.
> I can report that the edition I rebuilt at about 11pm Apr 2  for 
> cornell.edu does show the cues,
> both when logged in, and when not, for firefox 2.0.0.13.
> Thanks a lot for the quick fix!
> Rick
> 
> Godmar Back wrote:
>> I fixed the cue. In our current system, this means you have to rebuild
>> and push an update. [We'll have a better solution soon, hopefully].
>> The new implementation should work both for those who see the new html
>> amazon sends as well as the old one. You can visually tell if you see
>> the old or new by looking at the color of the title (they switched
>> from black to orange, it seems.)
>>
>> One comment on how to debug this, or help debug this:
>> To see what goes wrong when LibX processes a cue, go to "about:config"
>> and add a new entry of type "boolean".  Call it "libx.doforurl.debug"
>> and set it to true. Then visit the page on which the cue operates.
>> This setting will log any exceptions thrown during cue processing to
>> the JavaScript error console.
>>
>>  - Godmar
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Campbell, James (jmc) <jmc at virginia.edu> wrote:
>>   
>>>
>>>
>>> I was seeing cues in Firefox without being logged in and I just went to
>>> Amazon using IE, which I use only for testing things and where Amazon has no
>>> cookies or history for me, and I'm seeing cues there too..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       - Jim Campbell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       Digital Access Librarian | Librarian for German
>>>
>>>       University of Virginia Library | Charlottesville, VA 22904-4112
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       513 Alderman | campbell at virginia.edu | 434-924-4985
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: libx-bounces at mozdev.org [mailto:libx-bounces at mozdev.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Enrico Silterra
>>>  Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:47 PM
>>>  To: libx at mozdev.org
>>>
>>>
>>>  Subject: Re: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just to add my .02 yoctocents,
>>>  all of my error reports regarding the cornell edition apply to when logged
>>> in, and
>>>  when not logged in.  My previous reports had me logged in -- cause amazon
>>> remembers me so well,
>>>  but I tried
>>>
>>>  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/006073132X
>>> when logged out, and no cue for you.
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  I am logged in.
>>>
>>>  John Bickar wrote: Yeah, it seems I spoke too soon. I just logged in and
>>> can't see the cue.
>>>
>>> -John Bickar
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom Pasley wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would also like to have this working for both... though to confirm,
>>> I'm logged into Amazon, and can't see the cue, but I can for Barnes and
>>> Noble - I've just done a rebuild of the current live version, (using the
>>> 'Copy
>>> forward' function).
>>>
>>> I'm using version 1.2.2 of LibX on Firefox 2.0.0.13, with numerous
>>> other add-ins...
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Bickar <johnbickar at stanford.edu> 3/04/2008 9:24 a.m. >>>
>>>
>>>  Great! Thanks for tracking that down.
>>>
>>> 1 vote here for adapting the code to work for both.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>>
>>> John Bickar
>>>
>>> Godmar Back wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> It's a cookie issue. Amazon sends different HTML depending on
>>>
>>>  whether
>>>
>>>
>>> you're logged in or not.
>>> The existing code works only if you're logged in, but it should be
>>> possible to fix so it works for both.
>>>
>>>  - Godmar
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Campbell, James (jmc)
>>>
>>>  <jmc at virginia.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm seeing the cues consistently in amazon.com and amazon.de using
>>>
>>>  Firefox 2.0.0.13 and LibX 1.2.6 (Virginia version).  We just recently
>>> upgraded from (I think) 1.2.3 and I'm sure it was working there too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       - Jim Campbell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: libx-bounces at mozdev.org [mailto:libx-bounces at mozdev.org] On
>>>
>>>  Behalf Of John Bickar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:17 PM
>>>  To: Arif Khokar
>>>  Cc: libx at mozdev.org
>>>  Subject: Re: [LibX] Amazon embedded cues?
>>>
>>>  Hi Arif,
>>>
>>>  Firefox 2.0.0.6, LibX v.1.2.2 (I presume this is the LibX version,
>>>
>>>  not
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  my build version).
>>>
>>>  I was noticing this behavior with an older build of LibX, so I
>>>
>>>  just
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  rebuilt a new test revision a few minutes ago, and the behavior
>>>
>>>  persists.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Please let me know if you'd like more information.
>>>
>>>  Thanks,
>>>
>>>  John Bickar
>>>
>>>  Arif Khokar wrote:
>>>  > John Bickar wrote:
>>>  >
>>>  >> Is it just me, or have the LibX embedded cues in Amazon pages
>>>  >> disappeared?
>>>  >>
>>>  >> I've tried pulling up several titles (a half-dozen or so),
>>>
>>>  including
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  >> the one on the Edition Builder Test Page (Freakonomics), and I'm
>>>
>>>  not
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  >> seeing the cue.
>>>  >
>>>  > Hi John,
>>>  >
>>>  > Are you referring to the Firefox or Internet Explorer version of
>>>
>>>  LibX?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  > Also, which edition are you using?
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From kaleonar at iuk.edu  Thu Apr 10 10:03:21 2008
From: kaleonar at iuk.edu (Leonard, Kirsten A.)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:03:21 -0400
Subject: [LibX] Computer build Windows group policy to enable LibX by
 default for all users
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23.1207249215.58674.libx@mozdev.org>
References: <mailman.23.1207249215.58674.libx@mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <CDF5AFD977793A42B776CA0FA22A2C780B32609BA6@iu-mssg-mbx04.ads.iu.edu>

I am looking for contacts who have successfully added Libx to their campus or library-wide computer builds.  By successfully, I mean the toolbar is enabled and visible in browser by default for users who login under their own username for either the Firefox or IE plugin.  Our campus is running into problems with adding the toolbar to the browser setting for all users by default in the Windows group policy.  We are testing the computer build for Vista, but I'm interested in the solution to this problem for either XP or Vista.

Even if you don't know who is responsible for the computer build, I would appreciate hearing if other campuses are adding library toolbars to the campus or library-wide computer build.

Thanks!

--Kirsten

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Kirsten Leonard
Electronic Resources/Government Documents Librarian
Indiana University Kokomo Library, KA140B
2300 South Washington St.
Kokomo, IN 46904-9003
kaleonar at iuk.edu
(765)455-9346
Fax (765)455-9276


From mastoffan at ualr.edu  Thu Apr 10 15:29:54 2008
From: mastoffan at ualr.edu (Mark Stoffan)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:29:54 -0500
Subject: [LibX] Computer build Windows group policy to enable LibX by
	default for all users
In-Reply-To: <CDF5AFD977793A42B776CA0FA22A2C780B32609BA6@iu-mssg-mbx04.ads.iu.edu>
References: <mailman.23.1207249215.58674.libx@mozdev.org>
	<CDF5AFD977793A42B776CA0FA22A2C780B32609BA6@iu-mssg-mbx04.ads.iu.edu>
Message-ID: <017501c89b5a$6ac53490$6428a790@facstaff.eden.ualr.edu>

We would be very interested in this as well. We have been able to install
the toolbar for the current user only. As our campus requires all users to
log in with their own account we have been unable to install the toolbar on
our public machines.

Thanks,
Mark

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Mark A. Stoffan, MA, MLIS
Director of Technical Services and Technology
Ottenheimer Library
University of Arkansas at Little Rock
2801 S. University Ave.
Little Rock, AR 72204-1099
501-569-8640 (office)        501-773-8068 (cell)
mastoffan at ualr.edu
 
-----Original Message-----
From: libx-bounces at mozdev.org [mailto:libx-bounces at mozdev.org] On Behalf Of
Leonard, Kirsten A.
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 12:03 PM
To: 
Subject: [LibX] Computer build Windows group policy to enable LibX by
default for all users

I am looking for contacts who have successfully added Libx to their campus
or library-wide computer builds.  By successfully, I mean the toolbar is
enabled and visible in browser by default for users who login under their
own username for either the Firefox or IE plugin.  Our campus is running
into problems with adding the toolbar to the browser setting for all users
by default in the Windows group policy.  We are testing the computer build
for Vista, but I'm interested in the solution to this problem for either XP
or Vista.

Even if you don't know who is responsible for the computer build, I would
appreciate hearing if other campuses are adding library toolbars to the
campus or library-wide computer build.

Thanks!

--Kirsten

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Kirsten Leonard
Electronic Resources/Government Documents Librarian
Indiana University Kokomo Library, KA140B
2300 South Washington St.
Kokomo, IN 46904-9003
kaleonar at iuk.edu
(765)455-9346
Fax (765)455-9276

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From godmar at gmail.com  Thu Apr 10 19:14:56 2008
From: godmar at gmail.com (Godmar Back)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:14:56 -0400
Subject: [LibX] Computer build Windows group policy to enable LibX by
	default for all users
In-Reply-To: <017501c89b5a$6ac53490$6428a790@facstaff.eden.ualr.edu>
References: <mailman.23.1207249215.58674.libx@mozdev.org>
	<CDF5AFD977793A42B776CA0FA22A2C780B32609BA6@iu-mssg-mbx04.ads.iu.edu>
	<017501c89b5a$6ac53490$6428a790@facstaff.eden.ualr.edu>
Message-ID: <719dced30804101914q7418ca45tc6f78268d50562ae@mail.gmail.com>

We're aware of the inability to install the current beta of LibXIE for
"All Users," but we're not aware of what issues arise with respect to
Windows' group policy. It would help if Kristen shared the nature of
the problems they ran into with Arif, who is in charge of LibX IE.
Please send us email.

 - Godmar

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Mark Stoffan <mastoffan at ualr.edu> wrote:
> We would be very interested in this as well. We have been able to install
>  the toolbar for the current user only. As our campus requires all users to
>  log in with their own account we have been unable to install the toolbar on
>  our public machines.
>
>  Thanks,
>  Mark
>
>  ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  Mark A. Stoffan, MA, MLIS
>  Director of Technical Services and Technology
>  Ottenheimer Library
>  University of Arkansas at Little Rock
>  2801 S. University Ave.
>  Little Rock, AR 72204-1099
>  501-569-8640 (office)        501-773-8068 (cell)
>  mastoffan at ualr.edu
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: libx-bounces at mozdev.org [mailto:libx-bounces at mozdev.org] On Behalf Of
>  Leonard, Kirsten A.
>  Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 12:03 PM
>  To:
>  Subject: [LibX] Computer build Windows group policy to enable LibX by
>  default for all users
>
>  I am looking for contacts who have successfully added Libx to their campus
>  or library-wide computer builds.  By successfully, I mean the toolbar is
>  enabled and visible in browser by default for users who login under their
>  own username for either the Firefox or IE plugin.  Our campus is running
>  into problems with adding the toolbar to the browser setting for all users
>  by default in the Windows group policy.  We are testing the computer build
>  for Vista, but I'm interested in the solution to this problem for either XP
>  or Vista.
>
>  Even if you don't know who is responsible for the computer build, I would
>  appreciate hearing if other campuses are adding library toolbars to the
>  campus or library-wide computer build.
>
>  Thanks!
>
>  --Kirsten
>
>  -----------------------------------------------------------------
>  Kirsten Leonard
>  Electronic Resources/Government Documents Librarian
>  Indiana University Kokomo Library, KA140B
>  2300 South Washington St.
>  Kokomo, IN 46904-9003
>  kaleonar at iuk.edu
>  (765)455-9346
>  Fax (765)455-9276
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Libx mailing list
>  Libx at mozdev.org
>  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/libx
>
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From johnbickar at stanford.edu  Fri Apr 11 09:22:20 2008
From: johnbickar at stanford.edu (John Bickar)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:22:20 -0700
Subject: [LibX] LibX with subscription WorldCat catalog?
Message-ID: <47FF903C.2030206@stanford.edu>

Hi,

I've been asked by one of the librarians here to add our subscription 
version of WorldCat to the LibX toolbar. When I use the 
firstsearch.oclc.org that pops up in the Auto-detect, I get thwarted by 
an authorization and password screen.

I've got the public WorldCat working pretty well, but the subscription 
one is defying me.

Is it possible to get LibX to search a subscription catalog, or does it 
need to be publicly available? And if it's possible, how would I get 
started doing that?

Thanks,

John Bickar

-- 

John Bickar, Ed.M.
User Services Technology Specialist
Cubberley Education Library
Stanford University
johnbickar at stanford.edu
650.725.1131 (office)
650.796.4637 (mobile)

From godmar at gmail.com  Sat Apr 12 08:35:02 2008
From: godmar at gmail.com (Godmar Back)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:35:02 -0400
Subject: [LibX] LibX with subscription WorldCat catalog?
In-Reply-To: <47FF903C.2030206@stanford.edu>
References: <47FF903C.2030206@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <719dced30804120835y22ed7e01l9c07438bee6a56e4@mail.gmail.com>

To answer this question, let me step back for a minute.

LibX, when installed on a client's computer, will contact a particular
resource directly using the URL and method configured.  The server
hosting the resource will directly communicate with the client and
assign appropriate credentials. Many resources restrict access by IP
address - in this case, the server will see the IP address of the
machine the client is currently using. So in most cases, there are no
issues.

When configuring LibX and using the auto-detection box, however, our
server at libx.org (which is really a VT-owned machine, aka
libx.cs.vt.edu, with a VT IP address) will try to contact the resource
for you. At this point, it's treated like a VT machine. It will then
try to infer the URL and method to access this resource.

This setup works peachy when a resource looks only at the IP address
to determine eligibility for a service and when the URL and method to
access a resource are the same from anywhere (and if, of course,
Virginia Tech has a subscription to the resource being probed.)

However, it can break down in a number of ways: for instance, a
resource could recognize a client's IP address, then redirect to a
different URL: say, for instance, firstsearch.oclc.org/vt when I came
from a VT address but firstsearch.oclc.org/stanford for Stanford
users.  If we detect firstsearch.oclc.org/vt from our server, and you
include this in the configuration, your users will be going to the
wrong URL that won't work for them.

Another issue are resources that encode session ids in the URL. In
those cases, the URL that's detected would be the current session URL
assigned to our server during the probing. This URL likely won't work
for you at all, or at least not for long.

These are all inherent limitations in the auto-detection. To address
them, we'd have to develop and install a plugin on the client computer
before users could configure a LibX edition. Then this client plugin
could connect to the resource during the auto-detection process. This
is, however, future future work for now.

What you can do now is trying to find out if there's a URL template
that can be used to search this resource.

- Install the web developer extension:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60
- go in your browser to the search form you'd want users to search
from the LibX toolbar.
- choose the option "FORMs: POST -> GET" in the web developer extension
- do your search using search terms xyzzy
- copy and paste the URL to which the search led you; replacing xyzzy with %Y
- set this up as a bookmarklet for a "Keyword".

FWIW, FirstSearch is linked to as
http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/topic=all;done=www.lib.vt.edu/;FSIP
from the VT library site.  Going there, however, leads me to a page
where I need to choose a database first.

Maybe there are some librarians on this list who know the "deep
linking" syntax for this service?  Maybe OCLC provides documentation
to libraries who have subscribed to it?

 - Godmar

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:22 PM, John Bickar <johnbickar at stanford.edu> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>  I've been asked by one of the librarians here to add our subscription
>  version of WorldCat to the LibX toolbar. When I use the
>  firstsearch.oclc.org that pops up in the Auto-detect, I get thwarted by
>  an authorization and password screen.
>
>  I've got the public WorldCat working pretty well, but the subscription
>  one is defying me.
>
>  Is it possible to get LibX to search a subscription catalog, or does it
>  need to be publicly available? And if it's possible, how would I get
>  started doing that?
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  John Bickar
>
>  --
>
>  John Bickar, Ed.M.
>  User Services Technology Specialist
>  Cubberley Education Library
>  Stanford University
>  johnbickar at stanford.edu
>  650.725.1131 (office)
>  650.796.4637 (mobile)
>  _______________________________________________
>  Libx mailing list
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>

From weilin at hulmail.harvard.edu  Mon Apr 14 11:30:40 2008
From: weilin at hulmail.harvard.edu (Victoria Lin)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:30:40 -0400
Subject: [LibX] embedded cue does not show up on some computers
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20080414142937.0366f9b0@hulmail.harvard.edu>

Hi, Godmar and Tom,

I rebuilt Harvard LibX edition (but have not made it live) for testing. It 
is ok on my desktop, I can see the cue in Amazon book record using Firefox 
(2.0.0.13), I have always been able to do so with old or new HUL libX, old 
and new firefox, but I tested on some other computer (in my office), it has 
Firebox 1.5, I loaded my new test version of HUL libX, restarted firefox, 
could not see the cue, I then downloaded firefox extensions from Tools > 
Extensions, restarted browser, reboot the computer, still could not see the 
cue. I followed the debugging instructions, and I can see javascripts 
errors. Please open the attached for the screenshots of javascript errors, 
amazon book record, and about libX,

any suggestions?

Thanks,


_________________________________

Victoria Lin
phone: 617-495-3724
email: weilin at hulmail.harvard.edu

Harvard University Library
Office for Information Systems
90 Mt. Auburn Street
Cambridge, MA. 02138



From johnbickar at stanford.edu  Mon Apr 14 16:16:26 2008
From: johnbickar at stanford.edu (John Bickar)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:16:26 -0700
Subject: [LibX] LibX with subscription WorldCat catalog?
In-Reply-To: <719dced30804120835y22ed7e01l9c07438bee6a56e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47FF903C.2030206@stanford.edu>
	<719dced30804120835y22ed7e01l9c07438bee6a56e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4803E5CA.80909@stanford.edu>

Thanks for the information, Godmar. Converting the POST form to GET 
failed with a 404 error for me. I will see if any of the folks here who 
handle the OCLC subscription have any documentation that I can use.

Also FWIW, our link to WorldCat is 
http://firstsearch.oclc.org/fsip?dbname=WorldCat&done=referer, which is 
what led me to believe that our access was IP address-based (and 
therefore I could set it up as a custom catalog in LibX).

-John Bickar


Godmar Back wrote:
> To answer this question, let me step back for a minute.
> 
> LibX, when installed on a client's computer, will contact a particular
> resource directly using the URL and method configured.  The server
> hosting the resource will directly communicate with the client and
> assign appropriate credentials. Many resources restrict access by IP
> address - in this case, the server will see the IP address of the
> machine the client is currently using. So in most cases, there are no
> issues.
> 
> When configuring LibX and using the auto-detection box, however, our
> server at libx.org (which is really a VT-owned machine, aka
> libx.cs.vt.edu, with a VT IP address) will try to contact the resource
> for you. At this point, it's treated like a VT machine. It will then
> try to infer the URL and method to access this resource.
> 
> This setup works peachy when a resource looks only at the IP address
> to determine eligibility for a service and when the URL and method to
> access a resource are the same from anywhere (and if, of course,
> Virginia Tech has a subscription to the resource being probed.)
> 
> However, it can break down in a number of ways: for instance, a
> resource could recognize a client's IP address, then redirect to a
> different URL: say, for instance, firstsearch.oclc.org/vt when I came
> from a VT address but firstsearch.oclc.org/stanford for Stanford
> users.  If we detect firstsearch.oclc.org/vt from our server, and you
> include this in the configuration, your users will be going to the
> wrong URL that won't work for them.
> 
> Another issue are resources that encode session ids in the URL. In
> those cases, the URL that's detected would be the current session URL
> assigned to our server during the probing. This URL likely won't work
> for you at all, or at least not for long.
> 
> These are all inherent limitations in the auto-detection. To address
> them, we'd have to develop and install a plugin on the client computer
> before users could configure a LibX edition. Then this client plugin
> could connect to the resource during the auto-detection process. This
> is, however, future future work for now.
> 
> What you can do now is trying to find out if there's a URL template
> that can be used to search this resource.
> 
> - Install the web developer extension:
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60
> - go in your browser to the search form you'd want users to search
> from the LibX toolbar.
> - choose the option "FORMs: POST -> GET" in the web developer extension
> - do your search using search terms xyzzy
> - copy and paste the URL to which the search led you; replacing xyzzy with %Y
> - set this up as a bookmarklet for a "Keyword".
> 
> FWIW, FirstSearch is linked to as
> http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/topic=all;done=www.lib.vt.edu/;FSIP
> from the VT library site.  Going there, however, leads me to a page
> where I need to choose a database first.
> 
> Maybe there are some librarians on this list who know the "deep
> linking" syntax for this service?  Maybe OCLC provides documentation
> to libraries who have subscribed to it?
> 
>  - Godmar
> 
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:22 PM, John Bickar <johnbickar at stanford.edu> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>  I've been asked by one of the librarians here to add our subscription
>>  version of WorldCat to the LibX toolbar. When I use the
>>  firstsearch.oclc.org that pops up in the Auto-detect, I get thwarted by
>>  an authorization and password screen.
>>
>>  I've got the public WorldCat working pretty well, but the subscription
>>  one is defying me.
>>
>>  Is it possible to get LibX to search a subscription catalog, or does it
>>  need to be publicly available? And if it's possible, how would I get
>>  started doing that?
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>
>>  John Bickar
>>
>>  --
>>
>>  John Bickar, Ed.M.
>>  User Services Technology Specialist
>>  Cubberley Education Library
>>  Stanford University
>>  johnbickar at stanford.edu
>>  650.725.1131 (office)
>>  650.796.4637 (mobile)
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  Libx mailing list
>>  Libx at mozdev.org
>>  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/libx
>>

From godmar at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 10:02:31 2008
From: godmar at gmail.com (Godmar Back)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:02:31 -0400
Subject: [LibX] LibX with subscription WorldCat catalog?
In-Reply-To: <4803E5CA.80909@stanford.edu>
References: <47FF903C.2030206@stanford.edu>
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I used my old Stanford account to see what you see. You're right that
firstsearch.oclc.org leads you directly to a search form for keyword,
author, etc.

Closer examination reveals that this service does not appear to
support RESTful access. Instead, it needs to establish a session
first, then pass the session id on a subsequent request.
Unfortunately, we don't support this model "out of the box" in
Bookmarklets. However, it is possible to implement a custom catalog in
JavaScript that supports it.
If there are any takers with JavaScript skills out there, I'd be happy
to provide guidance on how to implement such a custom catalog (please
also see the links on the Edition Builder FAQ web page)  We have the
infrastructure in place such that, once implemented, the custom
catalog implementation can be shared among editions.

It also seems that this product may be OCLC's "Sitesearch", a product
with which I am not familiar. Quick research shows a 2001 article in
which OCLC announces the discontinuation of SiteSearch. Since then,
they apparently open sourced the original source code, it is now a
Sourceforge project:
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=opensitesearch-main
though it doesn't appear to be very active.

 - Godmar

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 7:16 PM, John Bickar <johnbickar at stanford.edu> wrote:
> Thanks for the information, Godmar. Converting the POST form to GET
>  failed with a 404 error for me. I will see if any of the folks here who
>  handle the OCLC subscription have any documentation that I can use.
>
>  Also FWIW, our link to WorldCat is
>  http://firstsearch.oclc.org/fsip?dbname=WorldCat&done=referer, which is
>  what led me to believe that our access was IP address-based (and
>  therefore I could set it up as a custom catalog in LibX).
>
>  -John Bickar
>
>
>
>
>  Godmar Back wrote:
>  > To answer this question, let me step back for a minute.
>  >
>  > LibX, when installed on a client's computer, will contact a particular
>  > resource directly using the URL and method configured.  The server
>  > hosting the resource will directly communicate with the client and
>  > assign appropriate credentials. Many resources restrict access by IP
>  > address - in this case, the server will see the IP address of the
>  > machine the client is currently using. So in most cases, there are no
>  > issues.
>  >
>  > When configuring LibX and using the auto-detection box, however, our
>  > server at libx.org (which is really a VT-owned machine, aka
>  > libx.cs.vt.edu, with a VT IP address) will try to contact the resource
>  > for you. At this point, it's treated like a VT machine. It will then
>  > try to infer the URL and method to access this resource.
>  >
>  > This setup works peachy when a resource looks only at the IP address
>  > to determine eligibility for a service and when the URL and method to
>  > access a resource are the same from anywhere (and if, of course,
>  > Virginia Tech has a subscription to the resource being probed.)
>  >
>  > However, it can break down in a number of ways: for instance, a
>  > resource could recognize a client's IP address, then redirect to a
>  > different URL: say, for instance, firstsearch.oclc.org/vt when I came
>  > from a VT address but firstsearch.oclc.org/stanford for Stanford
>  > users.  If we detect firstsearch.oclc.org/vt from our server, and you
>  > include this in the configuration, your users will be going to the
>  > wrong URL that won't work for them.
>  >
>  > Another issue are resources that encode session ids in the URL. In
>  > those cases, the URL that's detected would be the current session URL
>  > assigned to our server during the probing. This URL likely won't work
>  > for you at all, or at least not for long.
>  >
>  > These are all inherent limitations in the auto-detection. To address
>  > them, we'd have to develop and install a plugin on the client computer
>  > before users could configure a LibX edition. Then this client plugin
>  > could connect to the resource during the auto-detection process. This
>  > is, however, future future work for now.
>  >
>  > What you can do now is trying to find out if there's a URL template
>  > that can be used to search this resource.
>  >
>  > - Install the web developer extension:
>  > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60
>  > - go in your browser to the search form you'd want users to search
>  > from the LibX toolbar.
>  > - choose the option "FORMs: POST -> GET" in the web developer extension
>  > - do your search using search terms xyzzy
>  > - copy and paste the URL to which the search led you; replacing xyzzy with %Y
>  > - set this up as a bookmarklet for a "Keyword".
>  >
>  > FWIW, FirstSearch is linked to as
>  > http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/topic=all;done=www.lib.vt.edu/;FSIP
>  > from the VT library site.  Going there, however, leads me to a page
>  > where I need to choose a database first.
>  >
>  > Maybe there are some librarians on this list who know the "deep
>  > linking" syntax for this service?  Maybe OCLC provides documentation
>  > to libraries who have subscribed to it?
>  >
>  >  - Godmar
>  >
>  > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:22 PM, John Bickar <johnbickar at stanford.edu> wrote:
>  >> Hi,
>  >>
>  >>  I've been asked by one of the librarians here to add our subscription
>  >>  version of WorldCat to the LibX toolbar. When I use the
>  >>  firstsearch.oclc.org that pops up in the Auto-detect, I get thwarted by
>  >>  an authorization and password screen.
>  >>
>  >>  I've got the public WorldCat working pretty well, but the subscription
>  >>  one is defying me.
>  >>
>  >>  Is it possible to get LibX to search a subscription catalog, or does it
>  >>  need to be publicly available? And if it's possible, how would I get
>  >>  started doing that?
>  >>
>  >>  Thanks,
>  >>
>  >>  John Bickar
>  >>
>  >>  --
>  >>
>  >>  John Bickar, Ed.M.
>  >>  User Services Technology Specialist
>  >>  Cubberley Education Library
>  >>  Stanford University
>  >>  johnbickar at stanford.edu
>  >>  650.725.1131 (office)
>  >>  650.796.4637 (mobile)
>  >>  _______________________________________________
>  >>  Libx mailing list
>  >>  Libx at mozdev.org
>  >>  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/libx
>  >>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Libx mailing list
>  Libx at mozdev.org
>  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/libx
>

From Carol.Ou at ColoradoCollege.edu  Tue Apr 15 10:20:14 2008
From: Carol.Ou at ColoradoCollege.edu (Carol Ou)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:20:14 -0600
Subject: [LibX] LibX with subscription WorldCat catalog?
In-Reply-To: <719dced30804151002y5eb0f686td8ce658596e71645@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47FF903C.2030206@stanford.edu><719dced30804120835y22ed7e01l9c07438bee6a56e4@mail.gmail.com><4803E5CA.80909@stanford.edu>
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Message-ID: <F9E5060D855DCB42832FE71F7552E7D025C943@exchange-b.ColoradoCollege.edu>

Hey John,

Coming into this conversation late, but for a worldcat keyword search,
try:

http://firstsearch.oclc.org/dbname=WorldCat;FSIP;query=kw%3A%Y

If you're trying this from your own browser, substitute the %Y at the end
with a test search word.

-Carol


--
Carol Ou
Systems Librarian
Colorado College Tutt Library
(719) 389-6895
carol.ou at coloradocollege.edu





-----Original Message-----
From: libx-bounces at mozdev.org [mailto:libx-bounces at mozdev.org] On Behalf
Of Godmar Back
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:03 AM
To: John Bickar
Cc: libx at mozdev.org
Subject: Re: [LibX] LibX with subscription WorldCat catalog?

I used my old Stanford account to see what you see. You're right that
firstsearch.oclc.org leads you directly to a search form for keyword,
author, etc.

Closer examination reveals that this service does not appear to
support RESTful access. Instead, it needs to establish a session
first, then pass the session id on a subsequent request.
Unfortunately, we don't support this model "out of the box" in
Bookmarklets. However, it is possible to implement a custom catalog in
JavaScript that supports it.
If there are any takers with JavaScript skills out there, I'd be happy
to provide guidance on how to implement such a custom catalog (please
also see the links on the Edition Builder FAQ web page)  We have the
infrastructure in place such that, once implemented, the custom
catalog implementation can be shared among editions.

It also seems that this product may be OCLC's "Sitesearch", a product
with which I am not familiar. Quick research shows a 2001 article in
which OCLC announces the discontinuation of SiteSearch. Since then,
they apparently open sourced the original source code, it is now a
Sourceforge project:
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=opensitesearch-mai
n
though it doesn't appear to be very active.

 - Godmar

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 7:16 PM, John Bickar <johnbickar at stanford.edu>
wrote:
> Thanks for the information, Godmar. Converting the POST form to GET
>  failed with a 404 error for me. I will see if any of the folks here who
>  handle the OCLC subscription have any documentation that I can use.
>
>  Also FWIW, our link to WorldCat is
>  http://firstsearch.oclc.org/fsip?dbname=WorldCat&done=referer, which is
>  what led me to believe that our access was IP address-based (and
>  therefore I could set it up as a custom catalog in LibX).
>
>  -John Bickar
>
>
>
>
>  Godmar Back wrote:
>  > To answer this question, let me step back for a minute.
>  >
>  > LibX, when installed on a client's computer, will contact a
particular
>  > resource directly using the URL and method configured.  The server
>  > hosting the resource will directly communicate with the client and
>  > assign appropriate credentials. Many resources restrict access by IP
>  > address - in this case, the server will see the IP address of the
>  > machine the client is currently using. So in most cases, there are no
>  > issues.
>  >
>  > When configuring LibX and using the auto-detection box, however, our
>  > server at libx.org (which is really a VT-owned machine, aka
>  > libx.cs.vt.edu, with a VT IP address) will try to contact the
resource
>  > for you. At this point, it's treated like a VT machine. It will then
>  > try to infer the URL and method to access this resource.
>  >
>  > This setup works peachy when a resource looks only at the IP address
>  > to determine eligibility for a service and when the URL and method to
>  > access a resource are the same from anywhere (and if, of course,
>  > Virginia Tech has a subscription to the resource being probed.)
>  >
>  > However, it can break down in a number of ways: for instance, a
>  > resource could recognize a client's IP address, then redirect to a
>  > different URL: say, for instance, firstsearch.oclc.org/vt when I came
>  > from a VT address but firstsearch.oclc.org/stanford for Stanford
>  > users.  If we detect firstsearch.oclc.org/vt from our server, and you
>  > include this in the configuration, your users will be going to the
>  > wrong URL that won't work for them.
>  >
>  > Another issue are resources that encode session ids in the URL. In
>  > those cases, the URL that's detected would be the current session URL
>  > assigned to our server during the probing. This URL likely won't work
>  > for you at all, or at least not for long.
>  >
>  > These are all inherent limitations in the auto-detection. To address
>  > them, we'd have to develop and install a plugin on the client
computer
>  > before users could configure a LibX edition. Then this client plugin
>  > could connect to the resource during the auto-detection process. This
>  > is, however, future future work for now.
>  >
>  > What you can do now is trying to find out if there's a URL template
>  > that can be used to search this resource.
>  >
>  > - Install the web developer extension:
>  > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60
>  > - go in your browser to the search form you'd want users to search
>  > from the LibX toolbar.
>  > - choose the option "FORMs: POST -> GET" in the web developer
extension
>  > - do your search using search terms xyzzy
>  > - copy and paste the URL to which the search led you; replacing xyzzy
with %Y
>  > - set this up as a bookmarklet for a "Keyword".
>  >
>  > FWIW, FirstSearch is linked to as
>  > http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/topic=all;done=www.lib.vt.edu/;FSIP
>  > from the VT library site.  Going there, however, leads me to a page
>  > where I need to choose a database first.
>  >
>  > Maybe there are some librarians on this list who know the "deep
>  > linking" syntax for this service?  Maybe OCLC provides documentation
>  > to libraries who have subscribed to it?
>  >
>  >  - Godmar
>  >
>  > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:22 PM, John Bickar
<johnbickar at stanford.edu> wrote:
>  >> Hi,
>  >>
>  >>  I've been asked by one of the librarians here to add our
subscription
>  >>  version of WorldCat to the LibX toolbar. When I use the
>  >>  firstsearch.oclc.org that pops up in the Auto-detect, I get
thwarted by
>  >>  an authorization and password screen.
>  >>
>  >>  I've got the public WorldCat working pretty well, but the
subscription
>  >>  one is defying me.
>  >>
>  >>  Is it possible to get LibX to search a subscription catalog, or
does it
>  >>  need to be publicly available? And if it's possible, how would I
get
>  >>  started doing that?
>  >>
>  >>  Thanks,
>  >>
>  >>  John Bickar
>  >>
>  >>  --
>  >>
>  >>  John Bickar, Ed.M.
>  >>  User Services Technology Specialist
>  >>  Cubberley Education Library
>  >>  Stanford University
>  >>  johnbickar at stanford.edu
>  >>  650.725.1131 (office)
>  >>  650.796.4637 (mobile)
>  >>  _______________________________________________
>  >>  Libx mailing list
>  >>  Libx at mozdev.org
>  >>  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/libx
>  >>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Libx mailing list
>  Libx at mozdev.org
>  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/libx
>
_______________________________________________
Libx mailing list
Libx at mozdev.org
https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/libx

From godmar at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 10:41:59 2008
From: godmar at gmail.com (Godmar Back)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:41:59 -0400
Subject: [LibX] LibX with subscription WorldCat catalog?
In-Reply-To: <F9E5060D855DCB42832FE71F7552E7D025C943@exchange-b.ColoradoCollege.edu>
References: <47FF903C.2030206@stanford.edu>
	<719dced30804120835y22ed7e01l9c07438bee6a56e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<4803E5CA.80909@stanford.edu>
	<719dced30804151002y5eb0f686td8ce658596e71645@mail.gmail.com>
	<F9E5060D855DCB42832FE71F7552E7D025C943@exchange-b.ColoradoCollege.edu>
Message-ID: <719dced30804151041p5f4bf25bl3db2381b815f6c94@mail.gmail.com>

I added this configuration to the "Just A Bunch Of Catalogs" edition.
Try entering "firstsearch.oclc.org" into the auto detection box in the
Catalogs & Databases tab, and then import the hit you'll get from
edition 20678963.

 - Godmar

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Carol Ou <Carol.Ou at coloradocollege.edu> wrote:
> Hey John,
>
>  Coming into this conversation late, but for a worldcat keyword search,
>  try:
>
>  http://firstsearch.oclc.org/dbname=WorldCat;FSIP;query=kw%3A%Y
>
>  If you're trying this from your own browser, substitute the %Y at the end
>  with a test search word.
>
>  -Carol
>
>
>  --
>  Carol Ou
>  Systems Librarian
>  Colorado College Tutt Library
>  (719) 389-6895
>  carol.ou at coloradocollege.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: libx-bounces at mozdev.org [mailto:libx-bounces at mozdev.org] On Behalf
>  Of Godmar Back
>  Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:03 AM
>  To: John Bickar
>  Cc: libx at mozdev.org
>  Subject: Re: [LibX] LibX with subscription WorldCat catalog?
>
>  I used my old Stanford account to see what you see. You're right that
>  firstsearch.oclc.org leads you directly to a search form for keyword,
>  author, etc.
>
>  Closer examination reveals that this service does not appear to
>  support RESTful access. Instead, it needs to establish a session
>  first, then pass the session id on a subsequent request.
>  Unfortunately, we don't support this model "out of the box" in
>  Bookmarklets. However, it is possible to implement a custom catalog in
>  JavaScript that supports it.
>  If there are any takers with JavaScript skills out there, I'd be happy
>  to provide guidance on how to implement such a custom catalog (please
>  also see the links on the Edition Builder FAQ web page)  We have the
>  infrastructure in place such that, once implemented, the custom
>  catalog implementation can be shared among editions.
>
>  It also seems that this product may be OCLC's "Sitesearch", a product
>  with which I am not familiar. Quick research shows a 2001 article in
>  which OCLC announces the discontinuation of SiteSearch. Since then,
>  they apparently open sourced the original source code, it is now a
>  Sourceforge project:
>  http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=opensitesearch-mai
>  n
>  though it doesn't appear to be very active.
>
>   - Godmar
>
>  On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 7:16 PM, John Bickar <johnbickar at stanford.edu>
>  wrote:
>  > Thanks for the information, Godmar. Converting the POST form to GET
>  >  failed with a 404 error for me. I will see if any of the folks here who
>  >  handle the OCLC subscription have any documentation that I can use.
>  >
>  >  Also FWIW, our link to WorldCat is
>  >  http://firstsearch.oclc.org/fsip?dbname=WorldCat&done=referer, which is
>  >  what led me to believe that our access was IP address-based (and
>  >  therefore I could set it up as a custom catalog in LibX).
>  >
>  >  -John Bickar
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  Godmar Back wrote:
>  >  > To answer this question, let me step back for a minute.
>  >  >
>  >  > LibX, when installed on a client's computer, will contact a
>  particular
>  >  > resource directly using the URL and method configured.  The server
>  >  > hosting the resource will directly communicate with the client and
>  >  > assign appropriate credentials. Many resources restrict access by IP
>  >  > address - in this case, the server will see the IP address of the
>  >  > machine the client is currently using. So in most cases, there are no
>  >  > issues.
>  >  >
>  >  > When configuring LibX and using the auto-detection box, however, our
>  >  > server at libx.org (which is really a VT-owned machine, aka
>  >  > libx.cs.vt.edu, with a VT IP address) will try to contact the
>  resource
>  >  > for you. At this point, it's treated like a VT machine. It will then
>  >  > try to infer the URL and method to access this resource.
>  >  >
>  >  > This setup works peachy when a resource looks only at the IP address
>  >  > to determine eligibility for a service and when the URL and method to
>  >  > access a resource are the same from anywhere (and if, of course,
>  >  > Virginia Tech has a subscription to the resource being probed.)
>  >  >
>  >  > However, it can break down in a number of ways: for instance, a
>  >  > resource could recognize a client's IP address, then redirect to a
>  >  > different URL: say, for instance, firstsearch.oclc.org/vt when I came
>  >  > from a VT address but firstsearch.oclc.org/stanford for Stanford
>  >  > users.  If we detect firstsearch.oclc.org/vt from our server, and you
>  >  > include this in the configuration, your users will be going to the
>  >  > wrong URL that won't work for them.
>  >  >
>  >  > Another issue are resources that encode session ids in the URL. In
>  >  > those cases, the URL that's detected would be the current session URL
>  >  > assigned to our server during the probing. This URL likely won't work
>  >  > for you at all, or at least not for long.
>  >  >
>  >  > These are all inherent limitations in the auto-detection. To address
>  >  > them, we'd have to develop and install a plugin on the client
>  computer
>  >  > before users could configure a LibX edition. Then this client plugin
>  >  > could connect to the resource during the auto-detection process. This
>  >  > is, however, future future work for now.
>  >  >
>  >  > What you can do now is trying to find out if there's a URL template
>  >  > that can be used to search this resource.
>  >  >
>  >  > - Install the web developer extension:
>  >  > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60
>  >  > - go in your browser to the search form you'd want users to search
>  >  > from the LibX toolbar.
>  >  > - choose the option "FORMs: POST -> GET" in the web developer
>  extension
>  >  > - do your search using search terms xyzzy
>  >  > - copy and paste the URL to which the search led you; replacing xyzzy
>  with %Y
>  >  > - set this up as a bookmarklet for a "Keyword".
>  >  >
>  >  > FWIW, FirstSearch is linked to as
>  >  > http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/topic=all;done=www.lib.vt.edu/;FSIP
>  >  > from the VT library site.  Going there, however, leads me to a page
>  >  > where I need to choose a database first.
>  >  >
>  >  > Maybe there are some librarians on this list who know the "deep
>  >  > linking" syntax for this service?  Maybe OCLC provides documentation
>  >  > to libraries who have subscribed to it?
>  >  >
>  >  >  - Godmar
>  >  >
>  >  > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:22 PM, John Bickar
>  <johnbickar at stanford.edu> wrote:
>  >  >> Hi,
>  >  >>
>  >  >>  I've been asked by one of the librarians here to add our
>  subscription
>  >  >>  version of WorldCat to the LibX toolbar. When I use the
>  >  >>  firstsearch.oclc.org that pops up in the Auto-detect, I get
>  thwarted by
>  >  >>  an authorization and password screen.
>  >  >>
>  >  >>  I've got the public WorldCat working pretty well, but the
>  subscription
>  >  >>  one is defying me.
>  >  >>
>  >  >>  Is it possible to get LibX to search a subscription catalog, or
>  does it
>  >  >>  need to be publicly available? And if it's possible, how would I
>  get
>  >  >>  started doing that?
>  >  >>
>  >  >>  Thanks,
>  >  >>
>  >  >>  John Bickar
>  >  >>
>  >  >>  --
>  >  >>
>  >  >>  John Bickar, Ed.M.
>  >  >>  User Services Technology Specialist
>  >  >>  Cubberley Education Library
>  >  >>  Stanford University
>  >  >>  johnbickar at stanford.edu
>  >  >>  650.725.1131 (office)
>  >  >>  650.796.4637 (mobile)
>  >  >>  _______________________________________________
>  >  >>  Libx mailing list
>  >  >>  Libx at mozdev.org
>  >  >>  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/libx
>  >  >>
>  >  _______________________________________________
>  >  Libx mailing list
>  >  Libx at mozdev.org
>  >  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/libx
>  >
>  _______________________________________________
>  Libx mailing list
>  Libx at mozdev.org
>  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/libx
>  _______________________________________________
>  Libx mailing list
>  Libx at mozdev.org
>  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/libx
>

From johnbickar at stanford.edu  Tue Apr 15 11:40:01 2008
From: johnbickar at stanford.edu (John Bickar)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:40:01 -0700
Subject: [LibX] LibX with subscription WorldCat catalog?
In-Reply-To: <719dced30804151041p5f4bf25bl3db2381b815f6c94@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47FF903C.2030206@stanford.edu>	
	<719dced30804120835y22ed7e01l9c07438bee6a56e4@mail.gmail.com>	
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Thanks Godmar and Carol!

The URL from the "Just a Bunch of Catalogs" edition needs to have the : 
escaped as a %3A like so:

http://firstsearch.oclc.org/dbname=WorldCat;FSIP;query=%SWITCH{%type1}{Y:kw}{t:ti}{a:au}%3A%term1

Other than that, it runs like a top!

Thanks again,

JB


Godmar Back wrote:
> I added this configuration to the "Just A Bunch Of Catalogs" edition.
> Try entering "firstsearch.oclc.org" into the auto detection box in the
> Catalogs & Databases tab, and then import the hit you'll get from
> edition 20678963.
> 
>  - Godmar
> 
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Carol Ou <Carol.Ou at coloradocollege.edu> wrote:
>> Hey John,
>>
>>  Coming into this conversation late, but for a worldcat keyword search,
>>  try:
>>
>>  http://firstsearch.oclc.org/dbname=WorldCat;FSIP;query=kw%3A%Y
>>
>>  If you're trying this from your own browser, substitute the %Y at the end
>>  with a test search word.
>>
>>  -Carol
>>
>>
>>  --
>>  Carol Ou
>>  Systems Librarian
>>  Colorado College Tutt Library
>>  (719) 389-6895
>>  carol.ou at coloradocollege.edu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: libx-bounces at mozdev.org [mailto:libx-bounces at mozdev.org] On Behalf
>>  Of Godmar Back
>>  Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:03 AM
>>  To: John Bickar
>>  Cc: libx at mozdev.org
>>  Subject: Re: [LibX] LibX with subscription WorldCat catalog?
>>
>>  I used my old Stanford account to see what you see. You're right that
>>  firstsearch.oclc.org leads you directly to a search form for keyword,
>>  author, etc.
>>
>>  Closer examination reveals that this service does not appear to
>>  support RESTful access. Instead, it needs to establish a session
>>  first, then pass the session id on a subsequent request.
>>  Unfortunately, we don't support this model "out of the box" in
>>  Bookmarklets. However, it is possible to implement a custom catalog in
>>  JavaScript that supports it.
>>  If there are any takers with JavaScript skills out there, I'd be happy
>>  to provide guidance on how to implement such a custom catalog (please
>>  also see the links on the Edition Builder FAQ web page)  We have the
>>  infrastructure in place such that, once implemented, the custom
>>  catalog implementation can be shared among editions.
>>
>>  It also seems that this product may be OCLC's "Sitesearch", a product
>>  with which I am not familiar. Quick research shows a 2001 article in
>>  which OCLC announces the discontinuation of SiteSearch. Since then,
>>  they apparently open sourced the original source code, it is now a
>>  Sourceforge project:
>>  http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=opensitesearch-mai
>>  n
>>  though it doesn't appear to be very active.
>>
>>   - Godmar
>>
>>  On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 7:16 PM, John Bickar <johnbickar at stanford.edu>
>>  wrote:
>>  > Thanks for the information, Godmar. Converting the POST form to GET
>>  >  failed with a 404 error for me. I will see if any of the folks here who
>>  >  handle the OCLC subscription have any documentation that I can use.
>>  >
>>  >  Also FWIW, our link to WorldCat is
>>  >  http://firstsearch.oclc.org/fsip?dbname=WorldCat&done=referer, which is
>>  >  what led me to believe that our access was IP address-based (and
>>  >  therefore I could set it up as a custom catalog in LibX).
>>  >
>>  >  -John Bickar
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >  Godmar Back wrote:
>>  >  > To answer this question, let me step back for a minute.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > LibX, when installed on a client's computer, will contact a
>>  particular
>>  >  > resource directly using the URL and method configured.  The server
>>  >  > hosting the resource will directly communicate with the client and
>>  >  > assign appropriate credentials. Many resources restrict access by IP
>>  >  > address - in this case, the server will see the IP address of the
>>  >  > machine the client is currently using. So in most cases, there are no
>>  >  > issues.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > When configuring LibX and using the auto-detection box, however, our
>>  >  > server at libx.org (which is really a VT-owned machine, aka
>>  >  > libx.cs.vt.edu, with a VT IP address) will try to contact the
>>  resource
>>  >  > for you. At this point, it's treated like a VT machine. It will then
>>  >  > try to infer the URL and method to access this resource.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > This setup works peachy when a resource looks only at the IP address
>>  >  > to determine eligibility for a service and when the URL and method to
>>  >  > access a resource are the same from anywhere (and if, of course,
>>  >  > Virginia Tech has a subscription to the resource being probed.)
>>  >  >
>>  >  > However, it can break down in a number of ways: for instance, a
>>  >  > resource could recognize a client's IP address, then redirect to a
>>  >  > different URL: say, for instance, firstsearch.oclc.org/vt when I came
>>  >  > from a VT address but firstsearch.oclc.org/stanford for Stanford
>>  >  > users.  If we detect firstsearch.oclc.org/vt from our server, and you
>>  >  > include this in the configuration, your users will be going to the
>>  >  > wrong URL that won't work for them.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > Another issue are resources that encode session ids in the URL. In
>>  >  > those cases, the URL that's detected would be the current session URL
>>  >  > assigned to our server during the probing. This URL likely won't work
>>  >  > for you at all, or at least not for long.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > These are all inherent limitations in the auto-detection. To address
>>  >  > them, we'd have to develop and install a plugin on the client
>>  computer
>>  >  > before users could configure a LibX edition. Then this client plugin
>>  >  > could connect to the resource during the auto-detection process. This
>>  >  > is, however, future future work for now.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > What you can do now is trying to find out if there's a URL template
>>  >  > that can be used to search this resource.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > - Install the web developer extension:
>>  >  > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60
>>  >  > - go in your browser to the search form you'd want users to search
>>  >  > from the LibX toolbar.
>>  >  > - choose the option "FORMs: POST -> GET" in the web developer
>>  extension
>>  >  > - do your search using search terms xyzzy
>>  >  > - copy and paste the URL to which the search led you; replacing xyzzy
>>  with %Y
>>  >  > - set this up as a bookmarklet for a "Keyword".
>>  >  >
>>  >  > FWIW, FirstSearch is linked to as
>>  >  > http://newfirstsearch.oclc.org/topic=all;done=www.lib.vt.edu/;FSIP
>>  >  > from the VT library site.  Going there, however, leads me to a page
>>  >  > where I need to choose a database first.
>>  >  >
>>  >  > Maybe there are some librarians on this list who know the "deep
>>  >  > linking" syntax for this service?  Maybe OCLC provides documentation
>>  >  > to libraries who have subscribed to it?
>>  >  >
>>  >  >  - Godmar
>>  >  >
>>  >  > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:22 PM, John Bickar
>>  <johnbickar at stanford.edu> wrote:
>>  >  >> Hi,
>>  >  >>
>>  >  >>  I've been asked by one of the librarians here to add our
>>  subscription
>>  >  >>  version of WorldCat to the LibX toolbar. When I use the
>>  >  >>  firstsearch.oclc.org that pops up in the Auto-detect, I get
>>  thwarted by
>>  >  >>  an authorization and password screen.
>>  >  >>
>>  >  >>  I've got the public WorldCat working pretty well, but the
>>  subscription
>>  >  >>  one is defying me.
>>  >  >>
>>  >  >>  Is it possible to get LibX to search a subscription catalog, or
>>  does it
>>  >  >>  need to be publicly available? And if it's possible, how would I
>>  get
>>  >  >>  started doing that?
>>  >  >>
>>  >  >>  Thanks,
>>  >  >>
>>  >  >>  John Bickar
>>  >  >>
>>  >  >>  --
>>  >  >>
>>  >  >>  John Bickar, Ed.M.
>>  >  >>  User Services Technology Specialist
>>  >  >>  Cubberley Education Library
>>  >  >>  Stanford University
>>  >  >>  johnbickar at stanford.edu
>>  >  >>  650.725.1131 (office)
>>  >  >>  650.796.4637 (mobile)
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From aikhokar at cs.vt.edu  Fri Apr 25 16:07:24 2008
From: aikhokar at cs.vt.edu (Arif Khokar)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:07:24 -0400
Subject: [LibX] New build of the LibX toolbar for Internet Explorer is now
	available
Message-ID: <4812642C.90608@cs.vt.edu>

It has been a long time in coming, but we've just released a new build 
of the Internet Explorer version of the LibX toolbar.  This version 
supports cues on almost every page that Firefox supports.  We've also 
added transition effects to cue rendering, so you'll see them fade in 
over a short period of time when you view certain pages.

We've also deployed an installation of Bugzilla 
<http://libx.org/bugzilla>.  This is a bug reporting system used by a 
number of open source software projects.  This will allow us to better 
organize problems reported by users.  Go ahead and check it out.  If you 
have any questions, please email me at <aikhokar at cs.vt.edu>.

-- 
Arif Khokar
aikhokar at cs.vt.edu