[Greasemonkey] Take private fights offline, please

[Matthew Weymar]

Bill,

I think I take your point, if I'm understanding it, viz. that you are trying
to help people, to address concrete issues relevant to the topic at hand,
etc....

In fact, doing so seems very important to you. Insofaras you are committed
to these objectives, the GM list is lucky to have you!

There is a style - content thing happening here though. People seem not to
appreciate the way in which you communicate. And this probably makes it
harder for them to get to the content you're trying to communicate.

Frankly, I don't think your note below is going to help people get to the
content you seem to care so much about. I think it's going to keep people
focused on the issue they seem to have with your style.

Maybe you don't care about this. Maybe you're happy to dismiss anyone who
can't - or doesn't want to - deal with the way you choose to communicate.
That's your prerogative.

I would submit to you, however, that to the extent that you really do care
very much about the content of what you're communicating, you might want to
make it more accessible to a more general readership. Or not....

Regards, and
Good luck,
Matthew

On 10/7/05, Bill Donnelly <donnelly at snowcrest.net> wrote:
>
> *F^ck* you, too? (see? I'm even 'politely' taking into account
> people's immature issues with certain "4-letter words",
> more or less, just in case, although and even though I HATE
> to have to revert to "baby talk" and the like to do so --
> you know, "the 'F' word", 'crap' instead of 'shite', etc.....,
> but I digress...)
>
> Apparently, you haven't been paying attention. (and/or simply
> don't really care) And therefore are mouthing off about something
> about which you are uninformed, or whatever the/your problem(s) is/are.
> Just like some of the other people who are the ACTUAL problem
> (if there is one?) 'around here'.
>
> As usual, *I* am not the problem.
>
> I am simply attempting to communicate and have a discussion
> about Greasemonkey issues and problems, help out someone
> who asked for help, and make mention of other RELEVANT
> Javascript, DOM, and Firefox issues and information that
> directly, indirectly, historically, or whatever, affect
> all of us. (in case 'you' didn't figure that out)
>
> And, AGAIN, as usual, people feel the need to attack me,
> or whatever the hell it is they think they are doing.
> And then I simply attempt to correct them, and/or point out
> their unfortunateness, and/or explain and clarify, and the like....
>
> (you did hit on one obvious truth and reality --- SOME PEOPLE
> apparently take extreme immature umbrage when you disagree
> with something they say/write, think, feel, etc., and/or
> when someone has a different viewpoint or opinion than theirs,
> and all the rest that that entails -- and then THEY have
> an extreme (+/-) reaction ('act out' -- look it up?) when
> someone states, or restates, or discusses, or comments on,
> or attempts to explain and clarify, or educate, or inform,
> and/or simply state an opinion, AND, especially, when 'you'
> don't 'shut up' or 'back down', etc., etc., etc. --- and then
> when you call them on THAT, they, and/or OTHERS, apparently
> feel the need to 'attack' the wrong (and usually wronged)
> person... again, typical -- and not to 'beat up' on this List,
> of course -- it happens (TOO much these daze, imo) everywhere,
> 'IRL' (in public, work, school, ...), DBoards, email, and so on)
>
> So DO NOT group me in with any Idiots who have some type
> of issues with me and/or people in general and/or who have
> too much time on their hands and/or just can't not act like
> various forms of assholes and/or cannot keep their 'mouths
> shut' (when they actually should) and all of the rest of it.
> And/or whatever their apparently MANY problems and issues are.
>
> And/or, if you, or anyone, doesn't have a sense of humor
> (and 'humor' is often the inevitable result, in part, or in
> whole, by me when I interact with some of these types ---
> hey! everyone's gotta have a hobby; and it's often all they're
> really good for), and/or thinks it is "evil" for someone to
> speak up for themselves (or someone else) when someone else
> (wrongly, or not) speaks out against them, and/or 'attacks' them,
> and thinks the 'attacked' (for lack of a better term?, quickly, here)
> person should just, again, shut up and don't 'talk back'
> (as an aside, please tell me you do not actually say that to your,
> and/or other people's, children at this late date), and back down,
> or what-ev-er similar action(s) they think the person should
> perform, then that is obviously a problem YOU have and need to
> deal with. (please!) Preferably sooner than later.
>
> Just to make sure you (all) understand what I'm talking about,
> for the apparently (?) fact, truth, and/or reality impaired
> and/or challenged, as merely ONE recent example --- if you think
> this regurgitated bullshit pulled-out-of-his-ass reply:
>
> > Good news! Firefox is open source, everyone can be a firefox
> > programmer! Have at it!
> >
> > Now please, shut up, or at least take this to private emails. This is
> > seriously off topic for this list.
>
> OR yours, as well (below), is NOT rude, *and/or* (notice this usage --
> normally I don't point that out, but...) NOT uncalled for, and/or
> NOT belittling, and/or NOT patronizing, and/or NOT assinine for a
> variety of reasons, and/or NOT pissy, and/or NOT other similar...
> negativities/assininities/?, (mix and match if you have to)
> (each/all INITIALLY, or often-unnecessary post-facto) then you are
> seriously less bright, more ignorant, and/or more assinine, then even
> I give you credit for. And I usually tend to cut people MANY breaks
> and A LOT of slack. As much as possible, anyway. (depending)
>
> Also, if I may, since we all do (supposedly) need to communicate and
> interact and such here, then "all of this" *IS* also, de facto,
> "on topic", afaic. btw -- at the very least, there is also an
> "initial aggressor" factor involved, as well, which, if you don't
> understand the concept, then I suggest you ask someone, or figure it
> out for yourself/ves, or do whatever you need to do, IF you even *care.*
>
> Also, if any of you feel apprehension, or actual fear, standing up for
> what you say/write, do, think, feel, and so on, then that is truly
> unfortunate, and I understand, but, I, for one, will stick up for you
> if needs be. Whether you are able to do so for me, or others, or not.
> Just so you know. As long as I'm around, you are not alone.
>
> And DO NOT give me a bunch of crap if you think it is okay for you to
> reply to me, but then NOT okay for me to reply back to you, when I do.
> THAT attitude and behaviour on your part is typical immaturity (and/or
> rather severe assininity) rearing it's ugly head, in case you didn't
> know that, or are unable to figure it out for yourself/ves.
>
> We should just all thank our lucky stars that we aren't playing baseball
> and CERTAIN PEOPLE 'around here' aren't the ones who own the ball and/or
> the bat. (the latter for multiple reasons)
> **(truth/fact/reality-based) HUMOR ALERT**
>
> btw -- I am also assUme-ing that people actually READ what I and others
> write, and at least minimally 'care' (do I need to explain this concept
> in this scenario?), and make some minimal attempt at understanding,
> objectivity, (actual) maturity, and the like --- if not, well, then....
> I guess that might also 'explain a lot'. (?)
>
> Pardon my verbosity. If you even got this far. (and I hope you did
> if you are going to reply)
>
> Dave Land wrote:
>
> > Bill Donnelly and Anthony Lieuallen:
> >
> > Please step out into the hall so those of us who want to concentrate
> > on the work at hand without listening to your bickering. When you have
> > shaken hands and believe that you can start acting like grown-ups, you
> > may rejoin us.
> >
> > Until then, take if offline.
> >
> > Dave Land
>
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> And tart on my tongue.
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