From notes at mozdev.org Tue Feb 1 05:01:49 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Tue Feb 1 05:02:07 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Slynderdale Message-ID: <200502011001.j11A1nHe092807@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c476 I fixed with bug with Experimental Version 0.9.0.43 which was causing the errors which made googlebar non-functional. More information can be found here: http://bugzilla.mozdev.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9080#c1 Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041109 Firefox/1.0 (MOOX M3) From subsailor at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 07:16:10 2005 From: subsailor at gmail.com (Robert Schumacher) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:27:29 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Re: Googlebar Digest Autofill In-Reply-To: <2424168812359805549@unknownmsgid> References: <2424168812359805549@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <1c3a98c50502010916613f998a@mail.gmail.com> http://tinyurl.com/7x5ds is an autofill extension that is every bit as good (if not better) than the Google Toolbar autofill. -- Robert Schumacher subsailor@gmail.com http://robschumacher.blogspot.com http://fairtreatmentforoursoldiers.blogspot.com http://tsunamihelp.blogspot.com On Tue Feb 01 08:57:28 PST 2005, googlebar-request@mozdev.org wrote: > Send Googlebar mailing list submissions to > googlebar@mozdev.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/googlebar > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > googlebar-request@mozdev.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > googlebar-owner@mozdev.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Googlebar digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Googlebar: feedback from Joe Cherner (notes@mozdev.org) > 2. Googlebar: feedback from Slynderdale (notes@mozdev.org) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:40:45 -0500 (EST) > From: notes@mozdev.org > Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Joe Cherner > To: googlebar@mozdev.org > Message-ID: <200501311840.j0VIejMl086655@localhost.mozdev.org> > > http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c475 > > I downloaded Googlebar to get autofill. Please add it, and in the meantime, indicate on the download page that it isn't yet part of Googlebar. Thank you. > > Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 From notes at mozdev.org Wed Feb 2 15:51:55 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Wed Feb 2 15:52:30 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from bobby sugarpants Message-ID: <200502022051.j12Kpt8t002612@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c477 Another request for a google scholar button. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 StumbleUpon/1.999 From notes at mozdev.org Thu Feb 3 09:03:12 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Thu Feb 3 09:03:56 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from marco Message-ID: <200502031403.j13E3CTD039135@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c478 Hello, I am interested on buying Traffic for our Pop Up Network: 7AdPower.com. Actually we have the highest rates for the Pop Up Traffic: http://www.7adpower.com/rate.asp We can provide custom rates if you can deliver more than 30,000 unique visitors per day. Please note that 7AdPower pays CPM (number of Pop Up sent): you do not need your user to click a banner to get revenue. Feel Free to contact me in the case you were interested to Sell Advertising to our network. Thank you, 7AdPower Internet Advertising http://www.7adpower.com ICQ 348518844 MSN marco_damore@7adpower.com Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) From notes at mozdev.org Thu Feb 3 11:10:20 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Thu Feb 3 11:10:33 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Pioneer10 Message-ID: <200502031610.j13GAKFe057564@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c479 First of all: Great work! Love the google tool bar For the next version I was wondering if you google desktop search icon in addition to the site search, i'm feeling lucky buttong, etc. Autofill would be great as well and the other autofill extension for firefox isn't as good as googles Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 From notes at mozdev.org Thu Feb 3 12:17:47 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Thu Feb 3 12:17:59 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Melissa Message-ID: <200502031717.j13HHl7T068685@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c480 Do you think you could add a Gmail Button to your Google Bar? That would be great! Thanks. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 From notes at mozdev.org Fri Feb 4 09:59:43 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Fri Feb 4 10:00:02 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] =?iso-8859-1?q?Googlebar=3A_feedback_from_Juli=E1n?= Message-ID: <200502041459.j14Exhq4055675@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c481 Hi,I'm from Argentina, My english is not the best, like you can see. I have a question: How can I setup my googlebar to English language?. If the spanish is not available, I can read english, but the bar is in German! I can't read anything. Please I need help. Thank in advance. Bye Julián from Rosario, Argentina Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; es-AR; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041108 Firefox/1.0 From notes at mozdev.org Sat Feb 5 01:37:19 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Sat Feb 5 01:37:30 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Z.D. Message-ID: <200502050637.j156bJIu013996@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c482 Hi, I could be wrong about this (and I'm sorry if this has been posted before), but there seems to be no option for Combined Button/Menu for Google Searches (Search Google, Site Search, I'm Feeling Lucky etc). To me, that is one very important feature which you could've easily added. Thank you. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 From notes at mozdev.org Sat Feb 5 09:28:50 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Sat Feb 5 09:29:02 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Nicola Message-ID: <200502051428.j15ESoXO079661@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c483 I have installed the version 0.8.0.22 of the Googlebar in the Mozilla 1.7.3 suite. Then I try to search something, but when I use every button of the googlebar I receive this message: "Shouldn't have gotten here, but kindly leave a note on googlebar". How can I resolve this problem? Thank you N.J. Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; it-IT; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040924 Debian/1.7.3-1ubuntu1 From notes at mozdev.org Sat Feb 5 15:31:41 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Sat Feb 5 15:31:53 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from shurgood Message-ID: <200502052031.j15KVfxm032576@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/annotation.html#c139 Does this googlebar work with netscape? I've tried downloading it and it says it only works with firefox. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) From notes at mozdev.org Sun Feb 6 12:15:16 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Sun Feb 6 12:15:31 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Michael Toews Message-ID: <200502061715.j16HFG4f087253@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/about.html#c230 How do I add pop-ups to the pop-up blocker? Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 From notes at mozdev.org Sun Feb 6 20:14:17 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Sun Feb 6 20:14:29 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from ydef Message-ID: <200502070114.j171EHFS047205@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c484 I am unable to install 9.0.30 install-f3.rdf provided by the item is malformed. After trying several times, I get a different install-??.rdf malformed error, with different variables appearing in ?? but it always won't let me install. This is using latest nightly firefox build. Using the latest official release of firefox is waaay too buggy to use. Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8b) Gecko/20050206 Firefox/1.0+ From notes at mozdev.org Mon Feb 7 09:45:05 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Mon Feb 7 09:45:18 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from dickd Message-ID: <200502071445.j17Ej5iD043391@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c485 I love googlebar, but its highlight seems to interfere with the vanilla Firefox 1.0 "find bar" highlighting? Namely, the find bar highlighting no longer works. Does anyone else see this on MS platform? -DickD Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 From notes at mozdev.org Mon Feb 7 15:45:01 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Mon Feb 7 15:45:14 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from rhdjean Message-ID: <200502072045.j17Kj1do094775@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c486 I would like clicking in the text entry box not to automatically select all the text. Is this possible? Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 From notes at mozdev.org Mon Feb 7 17:44:39 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Mon Feb 7 17:44:56 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Chan Message-ID: <200502072244.j17MidL3011969@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c487 Please Please Please could you add a support for other froogle global sites such as the http://froogle.google.co.uk/ Can you make an option available to edit the .com to .co.uk or could you tell us how to manually edit the froogle.google.com to google.co.uk. Many Thanks - just this addition would make it the perfect toolbar. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 From notes at mozdev.org Wed Feb 9 09:54:08 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Wed Feb 9 09:54:24 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Gregory Krohne Message-ID: <200502091454.j19Es8HB018218@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c488 Google recently added specialized searches for television programs and maps. Please, add these two searches to the list of "Special searches" in the toolbar. http://video.google.com/ http://maps.google.com/ Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 From notes at mozdev.org Wed Feb 9 14:44:31 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Wed Feb 9 14:45:18 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Gordo Message-ID: <200502091944.j19JiVbc061659@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c489 The single most inconvenient thing about the googlebar, is the way that the history drop-down control (down-arrow button) next to the search text box has an activateable piece that extends inside the box where you type search text. I *CONSTANTLY* click on this area thereby bringing up the history drop-down, when I intended to click in the text box itself. Without paying much attention, I type the phrase I'm looking for and hit enter without realizing until a few seconds later that I clicked too low in the text box and my typing had no effect. Please, *PLEASE* I beg you to fix this by either: 1. removing the button map from this area all together 2. offering a config option to disable it 3. Allow the cursor to become active in the textbox when the history box is dropped down. Thank you for your consideration. Otherwise, I appreciate everything you've done to build and maintain this fantastic plug-in. --Gordo (jcblake1 AT yahoo) Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041114 Firefox/1.0 (Community Edition Firefox P4V-X5) From fritz at google.com Thu Feb 10 16:56:18 2005 From: fritz at google.com (Fritz Schneider) Date: Thu Feb 10 20:11:32 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Google+Googlebar In-Reply-To: <236de04905021015213595db74@mail.google.com> References: <236de04905021015213595db74@mail.google.com> Message-ID: <236de049050210165627eed076@mail.google.com> Hey there, folks. We here at Google like your product, and would like to link to it from toolbar.google.com when someone with a compatible user-agent lands there. We've got the link all ready to go, but we're blocked on two things: (1) The name "Googlebar" makes it sound like this is an official Google product (a la Google Toolbar, Google Desktop Search, etc) when in fact it is not. We'd be able to link to you if the name wasn't confusing, for example if it were called "Searchbar for Google", "Firefox Toolbar for Google", or perhaps something that rolls off the tongue such as "Firefox Toolbar for Google Services that is Not Affiliated With or Endorsed by Google, Inc. In Any Way Shape Or Form." (2) The current logo uses Google's color scheme. We'd be able to link to you if the colors were changed to some other scheme. Do these sound like reasonable requests? Yes? No? Shall I file bugs on them? Thanks! From bovilexics at bovilexics.com Fri Feb 11 10:05:04 2005 From: bovilexics at bovilexics.com (Webmaster) Date: Fri Feb 11 13:11:05 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Google+Googlebar In-Reply-To: <236de049050210165627eed076@mail.google.com> References: <236de04905021015213595db74@mail.google.com> <236de049050210165627eed076@mail.google.com> Message-ID: <420CF3D0.3070606@bovilexics.com> Fritz, I'm not sure if these are entirely unreasonable requests, however I still question the motives behind the requests and would like to interject my thoughts on the matter below. I must also state up front that this is just my initial opinion on the matter and doesn't speak for the entire developer group and would likely have to go through the latest individual responsible for the effort - John Woods. Anyway, enough of the disclaimer, on to the comments. Fritz Schneider wrote: >Hey there, folks. We here at Google like your product, and would like >to link to it from toolbar.google.com when someone with a compatible >user-agent lands there. We've got the link all ready to go, but we're >blocked on two things: > >(1) The name "Googlebar" makes it sound like this is an official >Google product (a la Google Toolbar, Google Desktop Search, etc) when >in fact it is not. We'd be able to link to you if the name wasn't >confusing, for example if it were called "Searchbar for Google", >"Firefox Toolbar for Google", or perhaps something that rolls off the >tongue such as "Firefox Toolbar for Google Services that is Not >Affiliated With or Endorsed by Google, Inc. In Any Way Shape Or Form." > > Of the 2 requests this one seems much more intrusive and really is confusing to me. On one hand you are asking to link from an official Google site to our tool but on the other hand you are saying that you want no ties to Google in our project and want us to change the name? That is quite a conundrum if I've ever heard one. You want to link to us but want no inferred link of us to you? And what is the true difference between "Googlebar" and "Searchbar for Google" or "Firefox Toolbar for Google"? Is it really down to semantics that much? You must have some fin legal department down there at Google or something. I work for a government laboratory so I understand all of that kind of thing but in my opinion I wouldn't support a name change for the project. The name is very familiar to many people and we have some name recognition of our own, I wouldn't want to lose that, but again I speak for myself and it's not my decision so if others want to support a name change in order to appease the Google gods to get us linked from Google then so be it. The real detriment is that I think it would be quite difficult to get all "googlebar" references removed. For example there are many things on mozdev that are tied to the googlebar module name - there is the project itself and the sub domain of googlebar.mozdev.org and the CVS module tied to googlebar which people including myself use to develop with, and this mailing list itself (googlebar@mozdev.org). Migrating that would be work for a lot of people. If it was just a "surface" change where our toolbar couldn't state the name "googlebar" in the UI then that MIGHT be okay, but preventing anyone from downloading from googlebar.mozdev.org would likely be more of an issue and I'm still hesitant about making a change like that. If you want/need disclaimers that the tool is not officially tied to Google proper, then fine, that seems reasonable and all but to ask for a project name change.. if it was up to me I'd say no. >(2) The current logo uses Google's color scheme. We'd be able to link >to you if the colors were changed to some other scheme. > > This request doesn't seem like much of an issue but I really am not sure what you mean by "current logo". What logo are you referring to? Something on the toolbar itself? Something on the home page? What? The only things I can think of are the Googlebar logo on the home page which doesn't really seam to look anything like a Google logo.. because the letters are white, black, green, red, and blue? That seems odd to request a change for. Or is it the "G" button on the main toolbar itself, I guess that looks somewhat like the Google "G" but that's not a logo I can find on Google anywhere. Either way, I don't think there are any true ties to any of the Googlebar icons or logos and this seems like much more of a minor request and likely could be implemented easily if there is consensus to do so. I see no problem at all with this one. >Do these sound like reasonable requests? Yes? No? Shall I file bugs on them? > >Thanks! >_______________________________________________ >Googlebar mailing list >Googlebar@mozdev.org >http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/googlebar > > An one last thing to note that is not of major importance but I thought I'd mention is that I will actually be on the Google campus on Thursday for an interview. So I'm obviously not opposed to dealing with Google. ;) From fritz at google.com Fri Feb 11 10:33:08 2005 From: fritz at google.com (Fritz Schneider) Date: Fri Feb 11 13:38:35 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Google+Googlebar In-Reply-To: <420CF3D0.3070606@bovilexics.com> References: <236de04905021015213595db74@mail.google.com> <236de049050210165627eed076@mail.google.com> <420CF3D0.3070606@bovilexics.com> Message-ID: <236de04905021110334f199c49@mail.google.com> > I'm not sure if these are entirely unreasonable requests, however I > still question the motives behind the requests The motives are (1) user experience: firefox users should not be turned away from toolbar.google.com emptyhanded -- hence our desire to link to you (2) legal: we have a trademark to protect -- hence our desire for you to make some changes > Of the 2 requests this one seems much more intrusive and really is > confusing to me. On one hand you are asking to link from an official > Google site to our tool but on the other hand you are saying that you > want no ties to Google in our project and want us to change the name? > That is quite a conundrum if I've ever heard one. Only if you're not familiar with IP and trademark law in the US :) You might want to take a minute to read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark The sentence, "Trademark rights, such as the right to exclusive use of a trademark, generally derive only through use (i.e.. actual use in the marketplace)" is particularly relevant. > You want to link to us but want no inferred link of us to you? Yes because, in fact, there is no actual link between us and you :) > And what is the true > difference between "Googlebar" and "Searchbar for Google" or "Firefox > Toolbar for Google"? The fact that Google names it's products "Google Foobar" whereas third parties name unaffiliated products "Foobar Somethingoranother" or "Foobar Something Google." > Is it really down to semantics that much? Yes. The language-processing parts of lawyers' brains are hyperdeveloped. > You > must have some fin legal department down there at Google or something. Thank you! > I work for a government laboratory so I understand all of that kind of > thing but in my opinion I wouldn't support a name change for the > project. OK, but in that case we wouldn't be able to link to you. We might be able to license the name to you if you can't change it, but let's cross that bridge only if we come to it. > preventing anyone from downloading from > googlebar.mozdev.org would likely be more of an issue There's nothing preventing you from putting up a 301 redirect, meta refresh, or JavaScript redirect from the old page to the new. > This request doesn't seem like much of an issue but I really am not sure > what you mean by "current logo". What logo are you referring to? The one on the homepage, in the options dialog, and so forth. The colors are really close to our colors, and we'd prefer that they were completely distinct. > An one last thing to note that is not of major importance but I thought > I'd mention is that I will actually be on the Google campus on Thursday > for an interview. I'm probably scheduled to interview you :) From WPL510 at myrealbox.com Fri Feb 11 14:49:43 2005 From: WPL510 at myrealbox.com (Andy Boughton) Date: Fri Feb 11 16:54:36 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Re: Googlebar Digest, Vol 20, Issue 10 Message-ID: <1108158583.8be4a43cWPL510@myrealbox.com> Fritz- This is great news! Hope you've been keeping up with the newest experimental version- it really does have a lot more features than what you can get over at the Mozilla Updates main extension site. Our current project lead is out of town at the moment (believe it or not, he just got hitched!), but I'm going to post the comments you made over to our newest project uber-discussion-bug, bug 8567 ( http://mozdev.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=8567 ) so we can discuss it without flooding the mailing list. As you can see, once John gets back, we're hoping to release version 0.9.5 and head down the road to 1.0. You're already on the "email cc list" for that bug, so keep an eye out for the discussion. While we sort some of our naming issues out, though, I do need to ask you to clarify- where does our logo use the Google color scheme? The toolbar icon set uses a very different logo currently, and the logo on the project homepage (http://googlebar.mozdev.org) uses a multicolored logo. We did once use a more google-like logo, but changed it at Google's request- please review and see if the problem remains. Look forward to talking more with the Google folk soon, -Andy Boughton abought@umich.edu PS- If you see the person behind Google Scholar in the hall, please shake their hand for me. Really. -----Original Message----- From: googlebar-request@mozdev.org To: googlebar@mozdev.org Subject: Googlebar Digest, Vol 20, Issue 10 Send Googlebar mailing list submissions to googlebar@mozdev.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/googlebar or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to googlebar-request@mozdev.org You can reach the person managing the list at googlebar-owner@mozdev.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Googlebar digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Google+Googlebar (Fritz Schneider) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:56:18 -0800 From: Fritz Schneider Subject: [Googlebar] Google+Googlebar To: googlebar@mozdev.org Message-ID: <236de049050210165627eed076@mail.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hey there, folks. We here at Google like your product, and would like to link to it from toolbar.google.com when someone with a compatible user-agent lands there. We've got the link all ready to go, but we're blocked on two things: (1) The name "Googlebar" makes it sound like this is an official Google product (a la Google Toolbar, Google Desktop Search, etc) when in fact it is not. We'd be able to link to you if the name wasn't confusing, for example if it were called "Searchbar for Google", "Firefox Toolbar for Google", or perhaps something that rolls off the tongue such as "Firefox Toolbar for Google Services that is Not Affiliated With or Endorsed by Google, Inc. In Any Way Shape Or Form." (2) The current logo uses Google's color scheme. We'd be able to link to you if the colors were changed to some other scheme. Do these sound like reasonable requests? Yes? No? Shall I file bugs on them? Thanks! ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Googlebar mailing list Googlebar@mozdev.org http://mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/googlebar End of Googlebar Digest, Vol 20, Issue 10 ***************************************** From bovilexics at bovilexics.com Fri Feb 11 15:17:42 2005 From: bovilexics at bovilexics.com (Webmaster) Date: Fri Feb 11 18:22:54 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Google+Googlebar In-Reply-To: <236de04905021110334f199c49@mail.google.com> References: <236de04905021015213595db74@mail.google.com> <236de049050210165627eed076@mail.google.com> <420CF3D0.3070606@bovilexics.com> <236de04905021110334f199c49@mail.google.com> Message-ID: <420D3D16.4090000@bovilexics.com> My original reply comments snipped, with a little more interspersing of new comments... Fritz Schneider wrote: >The motives are > >(1) user experience: firefox users should not be turned away from >toolbar.google.com emptyhanded -- hence our desire to link to you > >(2) legal: we have a trademark to protect -- hence our desire for you >to make some changes > > >Only if you're not familiar with IP and trademark law in the US :) You >might want to take a minute to read: > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark > >The sentence, "Trademark rights, such as the right to exclusive use of >a trademark, generally derive only through use (i.e.. actual use in >the marketplace)" is particularly relevant. > > This all makes perfect sense and from the Google perspective I completely understand it but we truly aren't intending to infringe on any trademarks or any of that. We're not trying to replace any existing Google technology (since you have no Firefox/Mozilla support at the moment), and being in the open source community and give our software away to the masses, we obviously aren't trying to use our 1337 market skillz to make a huge profit off of the Google name. And in addition we hopefully aren't giving Google a bad name by providing an inferior product, which I don't think we are or we wouldn't be having this "let's link up" discussion to begin with. So from a strictly legal perspective this all makes sense and we'd love to see the Firefox/Mozilla community not walk away from Google empty handed when they are looking for a toolbar, that would be nice. But like I said, my main concern is that there is just a lot of effort to get everything migrated to a new project name and we will likely lose a bit of the kick we had from such a catchy name that has really been around for years and has stuck with a lot of folks. But I also am willing to go with the flow and if that's what it takes to get us linked up then I'm sure it will happen. I won't go down without at least a LITTLE bit of a fight but I already am seeing the error of my ways, I know the consensus will be to make whatever changes Google deems necessary to get us linked up - which I DO think is a good thing, just wish the name change wasn't one of the prerequisites. And I know our localization folks (GooglebarL10n) and such people with other offshoots like Googlebar Lite are going to have some of the same things to deal with. Alas, such is life in the realm of business and legalese. Oh well. :) >Yes because, in fact, there is no actual link between us and you :) > > >The fact that Google names it's products "Google Foobar" whereas third >parties name unaffiliated products "Foobar Somethingoranother" or >"Foobar Something Google." > > >Yes. The language-processing parts of lawyers' brains are hyperdeveloped. > > Yes we'd love to get this link worked out and I'm sure we will, I know others involved in the project will be ecstatic about that and have been wanting something like this for some time. And I know all too well about the lawyers. Whenever we develop software and want to release it to the community the "review and release" process is excruciating. Ugh... >OK, but in that case we wouldn't be able to link to you. We might be >able to license the name to you if you can't change it, but let's >cross that bridge only if we come to it. > > >There's nothing preventing you from putting up a 301 redirect, meta >refresh, or JavaScript redirect from the old page to the new. > > All true... but we need more than just a redirect to get us developers all set up and continuing our work from the new site, whatever that may be and we're already a barely-present rag tag group of developers we pop our heads into the project whenever we can possibly spare a few minutes of our time within our frantic lives. The chatter has been much less from the core group these days which is a bit disheartening but work is still continuing nonetheless, that's for sure. >The one on the homepage, in the options dialog, and so forth. The >colors are really close to our colors, and we'd prefer that they were >completely distinct. > > I think this is the best candidate for a bugzilla bug, it would be extremely helpful if you could create a bug which enumerated the entire list of images/icons/logos that you would want to be changed and we can get to work on that stuff right away. I think that would help us out a lot to get us started down this path. >I'm probably scheduled to interview you :) > > Oh really? Well that would certainly be interesting. If that's true then I'll look forward to seeing you a little later this week and perhaps we can talk more. :) Cheers. -Robert From fritz at google.com Fri Feb 11 15:23:06 2005 From: fritz at google.com (Fritz Schneider) Date: Fri Feb 11 18:28:49 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Google+Googlebar In-Reply-To: <420D3D16.4090000@bovilexics.com> References: <236de04905021015213595db74@mail.google.com> <236de049050210165627eed076@mail.google.com> <420CF3D0.3070606@bovilexics.com> <236de04905021110334f199c49@mail.google.com> <420D3D16.4090000@bovilexics.com> Message-ID: <236de04905021115234a437b0b@mail.google.com> > This all makes perfect sense and from the Google perspective I > completely understand it but we truly aren't intending to infringe on > any trademarks or any of that. We're not trying to replace any existing > Google technology... Email is not a good medium for speculating about legal stuff. You might ask a IP/trademark lawyer you know to make a quick assessment of the situation and tell you what they think. Or email me privately and we can talk on the phone. From notes at mozdev.org Fri Feb 11 19:29:17 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Fri Feb 11 19:29:32 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from gaby de wilde Message-ID: <200502120029.j1C0THB0060535@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c490 I would like to see the "hello" (google's chat client) button like the one in IE. It posts a thumb with a link to Blogger. demo: http://instruments.blogspot.com/2005/02/test_09.html#comments Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 StumbleUpon/1.999 From notes at mozdev.org Sat Feb 12 00:26:38 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Sat Feb 12 00:27:59 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Mick Message-ID: <200502120526.j1C5Qcaf090664@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c491 A minor little glitch, If I enter a "site" criteria, like site:gov followed by a few terms like "social security budget surplus", all works fine. But, if I enter the search terms first, then the site criteria, the "search words" part of the googlebar conotains only the site criteria. For example try "form 1040 filetype:pdf" Easy to work around, so dont spend much time on it. I really just wanted an excuse to post my thanks to the team for a truly super product. Googlebar is head and sholders THE Firefox extension. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 From notes at mozdev.org Sat Feb 12 04:57:51 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Sat Feb 12 04:58:21 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from vaanen Message-ID: <200502120957.j1C9vpUK015156@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c492 It would be great if "Highlight Search Terms" was added to the "Googlebar Items" in the context menu. Or at least if we are given the option of what to put in the "Googlebar Items." Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 From notes at mozdev.org Sat Feb 12 17:22:47 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Sat Feb 12 17:22:59 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Kym Message-ID: <200502122222.j1CMMlRR004273@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c493 Great Firefox extension! Really tames Google. Thanks. A minor improvement... I vote me 2 on: "Could you add a main toolbar button to toggle show/hide of the googlebar toolbar? (crtl+F8 is not too convenient.)" Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 From notes at mozdev.org Sat Feb 12 18:07:54 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Sat Feb 12 18:08:06 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from ST Message-ID: <200502122307.j1CN7ski008580@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c494 So dar so good, should improve the limited options on my morzilla browser. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 From notes at mozdev.org Sat Feb 12 18:18:49 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Sat Feb 12 18:19:00 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from VGV Message-ID: <200502122318.j1CNInwD009553@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/about.html#c231 Now that I have the GoogleBar, how can I remove the default search plugin from Firefox (top right corner of the browser) ? Thanks. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; fr-FR; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041108 Firefox/1.0 From notes at mozdev.org Wed Feb 16 07:03:00 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Wed Feb 16 07:03:12 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Beth Message-ID: <200502161203.j1GC30H5045341@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c495 Your google toolbar is missing the autofill! I love that feature, and might switch back to explorer so I can have that back. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 From subsailor at gmail.com Wed Feb 16 07:45:42 2005 From: subsailor at gmail.com (Robert Schumacher) Date: Wed Feb 16 12:51:14 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Autofill In-Reply-To: <42137b3a.44d20939.1aa8.059dSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> References: <42137b3a.44d20939.1aa8.059dSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c3a98c505021609457d825e18@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:56:26 -0800 (PST), googlebar-request@mozdev.org wrote: > 1. Googlebar: feedback from Beth (notes@mozdev.org) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:03:00 -0500 (EST) > From: notes@mozdev.org > Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Beth > To: googlebar@mozdev.org > Message-ID: <200502161203.j1GC30H5045341@localhost.mozdev.org> > > http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c495 > > Your google toolbar is missing the autofill! I love that feature, and might switch back to explorer so I can have that back. > Beth, http://tinyurl.com/4aqps is an autofill extension for Firefox that is every bit as good as the IE-based Google Toolbar's autofill. -- Robert Schumacher subsailor@gmail.com http://robschumacher.blogspot.com http://fairtreatmentforoursoldiers.blogspot.com http://tsunamihelp.blogspot.com From notes at mozdev.org Wed Feb 16 15:58:43 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Wed Feb 16 15:59:00 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from David Message-ID: <200502162058.j1GKwhIC025312@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c496 I also would be very happy if you could add google maps & google video to the special searches video.google.com maps.google.com Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.2; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 From notes at mozdev.org Thu Feb 17 23:25:51 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Thu Feb 17 23:26:04 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Carlos Message-ID: <200502180425.j1I4PpVb071457@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c497 When you have Googlebar do a search in a new tab...it loads it in the background (New Tab is not automatically selected). Did you take this feature out or is it a glitch? I want the search in a new tab to have the focus on the new tab with the search results please. Thanks. I'm using Mozilla Suite 1.72 - Googlebar 0.9.5.01 Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040803 From notes at mozdev.org Fri Feb 18 00:52:45 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Fri Feb 18 00:56:09 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Davidov Message-ID: <200502180552.j1I5qjP0079279@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c498 First of all, i'd like to thank for ur terrific work. What I think would be a very usefull fonction to add is wikipedia search button like the one for dictionary.com Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; fr-FR; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041108 Firefox/1.0 From notes at mozdev.org Fri Feb 18 04:23:11 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Fri Feb 18 04:23:27 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Mike Message-ID: <200502180923.j1I9NBWO003253@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c499 How about a default search string option which will be added to all searches? I.e. where I can put in "--ebay --amazon" This would be great! Thanks! Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 From notes at mozdev.org Fri Feb 18 06:12:32 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Fri Feb 18 06:13:39 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Francis Message-ID: <200502181112.j1IBCWXE015789@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c500 The XPIrimental version (0.9.5.01) won't let mozilla browser open new windows. If you have (for e.g.) the mail window open first then it can open new windows, however the browser cannot. The problem persists even if I have hidden the googlebar The errormessages given are either Error: toOpenWindowByType is not defined Source File: chrome://messenger/content/mailTasksOverlay.xul Line: 33 or Error: OpenBrowserWindow is not defined Source File: chrome://navigator/content/navigator.xul Line: 1 Using the old googlebar (0.8) I do not have this problem. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8a6) Gecko/20050111 From notes at mozdev.org Sat Feb 19 14:03:23 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Sat Feb 19 14:03:40 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Tony W Message-ID: <200502191903.j1JJ3Ncq063515@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c501 Could not use Mozilla without it. However one problem with highlighting. If you have 2 words separated by a punctuation mark, they are searched as one item in Google, so putting a dot between 2 words to join them is something I do a lot. But then Googlebar's highlight does not pick them up at all as it seems to look for the punctuation mark. "Real" Google Bar does pick them up. It marks them as 2 separate words, which is not absolutely correct but a lot better than not at all, and in practice it works fine. So, for the wish list: please can the highlight tool ignore characters which Google does not search on. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 From notes at mozdev.org Sun Feb 20 16:16:33 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Sun Feb 20 16:16:45 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Peng Message-ID: <200502202116.j1KLGXw8053095@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/about.html#c232 VGV: I haven't done this in a while, but you should just be able to right-click on one of the Firefox toolbars, click Customize, and then drag the search box to the, err, big Customize Me box that pops up. Also, may I comment that I had immense trouble just writing stuff into this stupid little box? Suddenly, the cursor would disappear from it, and I would have to exit the tab and open it again to be able to continue to type. In the end, I decided to just type this in NEdit and paste it into the box. Also also, I haven't looked around too much, but is there a way to get the Googlebar stuff out of the context menu? My conext menu already has too much in it, and I have never once needed the Googlebar's part of it. The checkbox to disable it in the Googlebar's options thing can't be unchecked.... Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 From notes at mozdev.org Tue Feb 22 06:36:13 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Tue Feb 22 06:36:54 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from botcherO Message-ID: <200502221136.j1MBaDeM071015@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c502 Why is the Googlebar totaly differnt to the Firefox Built-In Toolbars? I want to combine the Google bar with other items e.g. with the Adress-Field in one row, but this isn't makeable. Can't Drag+Drop other Firefox-Items on the Googlebar. Nor does it go on the other direction... Please send an Answer to: botcherO at wynx.de Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040913 Firefox/0.10 From notes at mozdev.org Tue Feb 22 17:40:49 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Tue Feb 22 17:41:20 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from jnmonnin@free.fr Message-ID: <200502222240.j1MMenHW082783@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/about.html#c233 J'aimerais avoir une traduction en FRANCAIS pour utiliser ŕ fond la googlebar. Est-ce possible ? Merci de me répondre jnmonnin@free.fr Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; fr-FR; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041108 Firefox/1.0 From notes at mozdev.org Wed Feb 23 12:29:48 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Wed Feb 23 12:30:53 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from AndyB Message-ID: <200502231729.j1NHTmsI041951@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/about.html#c234 Michael- the popup blocker is part of Mozilla and firefox, not the googlebar. If you visit a page with popups, you'll see a popup blocked message either right below the address bar or down in the browser's "status bar"; click on the warning and you'll get an option to allow popups for that site. Peng- we'll look into the context menu issue; thanks for the note. Jnmonnin- I don't know much french, but if I'm reading your question right... you can get translated versions of the googlebar at http://googlebarl10n.mozdev.org . They're made by volunteers, so may not be the most uptodate, but there's probably one for version 0.8. Version 0.9 will be officially released soon (we hope!), and then we'll ask them to update translations for that too. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030507 From notes at mozdev.org Thu Feb 24 03:41:57 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Thu Feb 24 03:42:12 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Peng Message-ID: <200502240841.j1O8fvJ5051389@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/about.html#c235 Ooh. It's being looked into in three days. I feel special. :P I would like to say that that sounded sort of like I never use the Googlebar at all. Well, I do. I use it all the time. It's a great extension. I just have never used the part of it in the context menu. Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 From notes at mozdev.org Thu Feb 24 08:56:51 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Thu Feb 24 08:57:17 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Charles Message-ID: <200502241356.j1ODuplk090920@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c503 I love it. It was the final element that I needed to convert fully to the Firefox browser. I plan on installing the Googlebar on my linux browser also. Thanks Guys Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0) From notes at mozdev.org Fri Feb 25 20:06:01 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Fri Feb 25 20:06:08 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Tomaz Message-ID: <200502260106.j1Q1619m033989@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c506 Hi! Googlebar should also have the popup control feature, like block or unblock page by a simple click, as the google bar for IE have. Another important feature is the exception list, allows wild cards (eg: don't block any 192.168.* ). Googlebar could use the internal popup blocker of Firefox and last it could count the number of popups that have already been blocked! Thanks. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050223 Firefox/1.0.1 From notes at mozdev.org Thu Feb 24 13:30:50 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Sat Feb 26 03:17:00 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Hagrinas Message-ID: <200502241830.j1OIUokh019550@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c504 You really need to allow users to specify a URL pattern for the dictionary. I do NOT want to use dictionary.com because of their pop-unders. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8a6) Gecko/20050111 From notes at mozdev.org Thu Feb 24 13:59:59 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Sat Feb 26 03:17:25 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Mary B Message-ID: <200502241859.j1OIxxrn022816@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c505 We have been DELIGHTED with Mozilla Firefox since our "techie" adviser installed it for us a couple of months ago. Congratulations on this wizzo alternative to IE. However, really miss the Google toolbar, and want to install the GoogleBar (IF it won't screw up our system...)BUT - which version do I download ? Mozilla ? or Firefox ? HELP !!! Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-GB; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041110 Firefox/1.0 From notes at mozdev.org Sat Feb 26 16:11:53 2005 From: notes at mozdev.org (notes@mozdev.org) Date: Sat Feb 26 16:11:55 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] Googlebar: feedback from Mike Message-ID: <200502262111.j1QLBrMA085699@localhost.mozdev.org> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/feedback.html#c507 Google will soon become unusable, due to the thousands of redirecting links to ebay directories and dialer pages. The users have to help google get rid of this spam. But using http://www.google.com/contact/spamreport.html for reporting these links is quite time-consuming. Is it possible to add an option for reporting spam with the google bar? Maybe just by pre-filling the first three fields of that form. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; de-DE; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041108 Firefox/1.0 From jan-pieters at telenet.be Sun Feb 27 09:44:33 2005 From: jan-pieters at telenet.be (Jan Pieters) Date: Sun Feb 27 03:50:07 2005 Subject: [Googlebar] test Message-ID: <42218871.8090705@telenet.be> test