[Enigmail] A bit OT (comes from) Idea for improvement...

[Faramir]

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Robert J. Hansen escribió:
> Faramir wrote:
>>   So, a legitimate company launch DoS attacks against "pirates"... but,
>> aren't DoS attacks another way of "cyber-crime"? What come next, people
...

> In point of fact, this _is_ law.  Seriously.

  I think if the target server is in Chile, the owner can denounce it
(in special, if it is a shared server... like a hosting service. The
pirate would be doing an illegal activity, but the other hosted sites
would not have to suffer for that). Of course, if the attacker is not in
Chile, it would be very hard to punish him...


> A surprisingly good definition for government is "whoever is strong
> enough to claim and defend a right to initiate force."  If you're living
> in Chicago housing projects, your local gang might be more of a
> government than the Chicago Housing Authority (see Sudhir Venkatesh's

  That would be really scary, if I were living there... Anyway, good
guys should play following the rules. And while that definition of
government seems to be a good definition, it is not the definition of a
"legitimate government" (and the efforts should point toward making
legitimate governments, where there is the need of a government).

> Classical governments have not demonstrated any real ability to police
> the internet.  On top of that, the governed -- the netizens -- generally
> are quite hostile to attempts by classical governments to police the
> internet.  Americans might applaud the FBI's involvement in fighting
> child pornography, but people in Canada might wonder why the American
> government thinks it's the internet's traffic cop.

  Good point... I would not complain if USA government "eavesdrop"
emails inside USA. But I think my ISP is linked from Chile to USA, so,
if I want to send an email to Spain, it will go through some USA
server... and that makes me feel a bit concerned about those things.
Just a bit, since I am not involved in terrorism, child pornography or
anything like that. I think American government have the right to be
internet's traffic cop... as long as they just watch activities that
start, or finish, in USA territory...


> Vigilantism is the unlawful appropriation of government's powers of law
> enforcement.  If the history of the internet tells us there is _no_
> government with the power to enforce the laws of a particular nation
> upon the internet, can actions such as this really be called vigilantism?

  In Chile, it would be. There is a "ciber-crime brigade" in local
police, so if a chilean server is doing piracy, the right thing to do is
to denounce them...


> That's not to say what they're doing is moral, ethical, or productive.
> Those three questions are difficult and no clear-cut answers exist.
> However, arguing "this is vigilantism" is a dog that just won't hunt.

  Yes, trying to find answers for these questions would require our own
discussion list, and a lot of time...

>>   Also, the article says "Approximately 41 percent of large companies
>> (with over 20,000 employees) have employees who read and monitor
>> outgoing e-mail." Well, if some work mates start laughing behind you,
>> after you sent an email to your girlfriend (talking about leather
>> handcuffs, and other things like that), you know what have happened...
> 
> Don't laugh.  This has actually happened to people I know.

  Well, I wrote it like a funny thing that could happen, but my
intention was to show there are harmless messages that should not be
seen by third parties... in special, if these people are people that
knows you... it would not be a problem is somebody at China reads those
emails, verify it is not leaking information from the company, and
forget about it... but the system's administrator at your friend's
company surely wont forget it... And now I have a good answer to the
question "why would I need cryptography?"

Regards
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