From rohan.nicholls at googlemail.com Tue Sep 1 01:58:36 2009 From: rohan.nicholls at googlemail.com (Rohan Nicholls) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 10:58:36 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] gmail mode patch Message-ID: Hey there all, Just a very small tweak that I thought of because 'l' has functionality in both conkeror (back) and gmail (open labels dialogue). I have also attached the diff, as well as putting it below. Hth, Rohan diff --git a/modules/page-modes/gmail.js b/modules/page-modes/gmail.js index 6ad3925..946c312 100644 --- a/modules/page-modes/gmail.js +++ b/modules/page-modes/gmail.js @@ -73,6 +73,7 @@ define_keymap("gmail_keymap", $parent = content_buffer_normal_keymap); define_key(gmail_keymap, "S-u", null, $fallthrough); define_key(gmail_keymap, "]", null, $fallthrough); define_key(gmail_keymap, "[", null, $fallthrough); + define_key(gmail_keymap, "l", null, $fallthrough); define_keymap("gmail_richedit_keymap", $parent = content_buffer_richedit_keymap); gmail_bind_common(gmail_richedit_keymap); -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gmail-lkey.diff Type: text/x-patch Size: 619 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Tue Sep 1 08:25:51 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 11:25:51 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] gmail mode patch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090901152551.GA25543@hecubus> On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 10:58:36AM +0200, Rohan Nicholls wrote: > Hey there all, > > Just a very small tweak that I thought of because 'l' has > functionality in both conkeror (back) and gmail (open labels > dialogue). > > I have also attached the diff, as well as putting it below. Thank you -- John Foerch From rohan.nicholls at googlemail.com Wed Sep 2 02:36:03 2009 From: rohan.nicholls at googlemail.com (Rohan Nicholls) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:36:03 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] gmail default follow link behaviour change Message-ID: For anyone who is interested. If you follow a link from gmail with the mouse, it always starts in a new tab/window. The "C-c f" functionality in gmail mode does not do this, which is what I want and I keep forgetting the C-u prefix, so here is a patch to make this behaviour default. Again, not very exciting, but does the job. For anyone that's interested. :) Rohan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gmail-follow-link.diff Type: text/x-patch Size: 631 bytes Desc: not available URL: From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 06:10:36 2009 From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (Deniz Dogan) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:10:36 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] Too many default webjumps Message-ID: <7b501d5c0909020610v2f11067i83fc9cea46c7fd8a@mail.gmail.com> I think there are too many default webjumps in Conkeror. The ones I would like to have removed as defaults are the following: * "lucky" - is more of an unfortunate naming for a special Google search. Maybe this shouldn't be removed but rather renamed to something else. * "scholar" - is not probable to be used by many users. * "xulplanet" - doesn't exist anymore. * "cliki" and "clhs" - should be removed because they are only useful for Common Lisp coders. If they are kept, it is in itself a motivation for adding e.g. Hoogle (Haskell), Boost (C++), etc. as default webjumps. * "ratpoisonwiki" and "stumpwmwiki" - should be removed because they are only useful for users of those particular window managers. The same idea applies here: if we keep them, we would be obliged to add any other window manager wiki as a default webjump. * "savannah" - is probably used by only a handful of users (if any) and Conkeror doesn't have any particular connection to that website to motivate it being used as a default. The same applies for "sourceforge". * "freshmeat"... Really!? * "slashdot" - is probably not a webjump that many users use to *search* the website, but rather to get to the main page. Everyone I know who reads Slashdot merely browses it and never uses its search functionality. Keeping this would be the equivalent of having a default bookmark. * I'll go out on a limb here and say that "kuro5hin" is probably used by at most one user (the person who added it, I don't know who that is). What do you guys think of this suggestion? -- Deniz Dogan From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Wed Sep 2 07:25:54 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 10:25:54 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] gmail default follow link behaviour change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090902142554.GA25012@hecubus> On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 11:36:03AM +0200, Rohan Nicholls wrote: > For anyone who is interested. > > If you follow a link from gmail with the mouse, it always starts in a new tab/ > window. > > The "C-c f" functionality in gmail mode does not do this, which is what I want > and I keep forgetting the C-u prefix, so here is a patch to make this behaviour > default.? Again, not very exciting, but does the job. > > For anyone that's interested. :) > > Rohan Hi Rohan, I would prefer to find out why gmail behaves this way, since for ordinary links, the follow command just creates a fake mouse-click. By reason, it should have the same effect as clicking with a real mouse. -- John Foerch From abe at deuxchevaux.org Wed Sep 2 07:27:50 2009 From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 16:27:50 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] Too many default webjumps In-Reply-To: <7b501d5c0909020610v2f11067i83fc9cea46c7fd8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <7b501d5c0909020610v2f11067i83fc9cea46c7fd8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090902142750.GG32057@sym.noone.org> Hi, On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 03:10:36PM +0200, Deniz Dogan wrote: > I think there are too many default webjumps in Conkeror. Well, I wouldn't say that. IMHO there are quite a lot of possible and useful webjumps which could be default, but aren't. But I agree that most of the webjumps you listed are neither useful for nor used by the vast majority of Conkeror users. For a few I would say that may be used by some more users, but still not really often: > * "ratpoisonwiki" and "stumpwmwiki" - should be removed because they > are only useful for users of those particular window managers. The > same idea applies here: if we keep them, we would be obliged to add > any other window manager wiki as a default webjump. I use ratpoisonwiki quite often, but I agree anyway. > * "savannah" - is probably used by only a handful of users (if any) > and Conkeror doesn't have any particular connection to that website to > motivate it being used as a default. The same applies for > "sourceforge". > * "freshmeat"... Really!? I know some people who use freshmeat search quite regular for searching for software they're not sure of if it exists. So I would say it's one of the more helpful ones. Not sure about sourceforge. But savannah is probably not used very often, right. > * "slashdot" - is probably not a webjump that many users use to > *search* the website, but rather to get to the main page. Everyone I > know who reads Slashdot merely browses it and never uses its search > functionality. Keeping this would be the equivalent of having a > default bookmark. I guess you're right. > * I'll go out on a limb here and say that "kuro5hin" is probably used > by at most one user (the person who added it, I don't know who that > is). I know a few people who read that, but I'm neither sure if they still do nor if they are conkeror users. So for me it's ok to kick this out of the default list. > What do you guys think of this suggestion? I'm fine if you copy all of them to http://conkeror.org/Webjumps instead. :-) P.S.: I plan to introduce some Debian-package only default webjumps. To be more exact I plan to integrate more or less the webjumps at http://conkeror.org/Webjumps#Debianpackagesearches into the package. They're useful for nearly every Debian user. Maybe also some ubuntu web jumps working the same way. Anyone has such Ubuntu webjumps already done? I'm no Ubuntu user and don't know any of Ubuntu's equivalents except packages.ubuntu.com. P.P.S.: conkeror.org was down while writing parts of this mail. So e.g. "down?" from http://conkeror.org/Webjumps#Downforeveryoneorjustme.3F would be a nice new default webjump. ;-) (SCNR) Regards, Axel -- Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/ From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Wed Sep 2 07:33:17 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 10:33:17 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] Too many default webjumps In-Reply-To: <7b501d5c0909020610v2f11067i83fc9cea46c7fd8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <7b501d5c0909020610v2f11067i83fc9cea46c7fd8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090902143317.GB25012@hecubus> On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 03:10:36PM +0200, Deniz Dogan wrote: > I think there are too many default webjumps in Conkeror. > Hi Deniz, Totally agree about all your suggested removals, including "lucky". In general, I think that webjumps that are not directly relevant to Conkeror belong on the wiki, where people who actually want them can install them. I would include the lastfm webjumps, too, which are already listed on the wiki. And not to sound heartless, but none of these companies are supporting us to advertise for them. -- John Foerch From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Wed Sep 2 08:00:03 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:00:03 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] Too many default webjumps In-Reply-To: <20090902142750.GG32057@sym.noone.org> References: <7b501d5c0909020610v2f11067i83fc9cea46c7fd8a@mail.gmail.com> <20090902142750.GG32057@sym.noone.org> Message-ID: <20090902150003.GA25615@hecubus> On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 04:27:50PM +0200, Axel Beckert wrote: > P.S.: I plan to introduce some Debian-package only default webjumps. > To be more exact I plan to integrate more or less the webjumps at > http://conkeror.org/Webjumps#Debianpackagesearches into the package. > They're useful for nearly every Debian user. Maybe also some ubuntu > web jumps working the same way. Anyone has such Ubuntu webjumps > already done? I'm no Ubuntu user and don't know any of Ubuntu's > equivalents except packages.ubuntu.com. Hi Axel, Sounds convenient. Maybe you want this one, too, straight from my rc. I haven't taken the time to put it on the wiki yet though: define_webjump("debianwiki", "http://wiki.debian.org/Suspend?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=%s&fullsearch=Text"); > P.P.S.: conkeror.org was down while writing parts of this mail. So > e.g. "down?" from > http://conkeror.org/Webjumps#Downforeveryoneorjustme.3F would be a > nice new default webjump. ;-) (SCNR) You make a convincing case for the "down?" webjump. I could see doing that. -- John Foerch From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 08:15:46 2009 From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (Deniz Dogan) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 17:15:46 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] Too many default webjumps In-Reply-To: <20090902143317.GB25012@hecubus> References: <7b501d5c0909020610v2f11067i83fc9cea46c7fd8a@mail.gmail.com> <20090902143317.GB25012@hecubus> Message-ID: <7b501d5c0909020815i46721be6v3abfe62765348651@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/2 John J. Foerch : > On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 03:10:36PM +0200, Deniz Dogan wrote: >> I think there are too many default webjumps in Conkeror. >> > > Hi Deniz, > > ?Totally agree about all your suggested removals, including "lucky". ?In > general, I think that webjumps that are not directly relevant to Conkeror > belong on the wiki, where people who actually want them can install them. > I would include the lastfm webjumps, too, which are already listed on the > wiki. ?And not to sound heartless, but none of these companies are > supporting us to advertise for them. > > -- > John Foerch > _______________________________________________ > Conkeror mailing list > Conkeror at mozdev.org > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror > Yes, the Last.fm webjumps should certainly not be built into Conkeror. -- Deniz Dogan From abe at deuxchevaux.org Wed Sep 2 08:31:51 2009 From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 17:31:51 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] Too many default webjumps In-Reply-To: <20090902143317.GB25012@hecubus> References: <7b501d5c0909020610v2f11067i83fc9cea46c7fd8a@mail.gmail.com> <20090902143317.GB25012@hecubus> Message-ID: <20090902153151.GH32057@sym.noone.org> On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 10:33:17AM -0400, John J. Foerch wrote: > Totally agree about all your suggested removals, including "lucky". In > general, I think that webjumps that are not directly relevant to Conkeror > belong on the wiki, where people who actually want them can install > them. I'm not sure if this is possible at all, but it would be cool, if webjumps could be installed as easily as plugins in firefox. Let's say some website (maybe even the conkeror wiki), which has the webjumps and the user just has to follow some link and the webjump is dumped into a file (best one file per webjump or so) somewhere in ~/.conkeror.mozdev.org/ Of course, if this is implemented, security should be in the mind. But since webjumps are usually very small pieces of code, seeing the source code before downloading and saving it should be sufficient. Regards, Axel -- Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/ From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Wed Sep 2 08:43:56 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:43:56 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] Too many default webjumps In-Reply-To: <20090902153151.GH32057@sym.noone.org> References: <7b501d5c0909020610v2f11067i83fc9cea46c7fd8a@mail.gmail.com> <20090902143317.GB25012@hecubus> <20090902153151.GH32057@sym.noone.org> Message-ID: <20090902154356.GA27919@hecubus> On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 05:31:51PM +0200, Axel Beckert wrote: > On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 10:33:17AM -0400, John J. Foerch wrote: > > Totally agree about all your suggested removals, including "lucky". In > > general, I think that webjumps that are not directly relevant to Conkeror > > belong on the wiki, where people who actually want them can install > > them. > > I'm not sure if this is possible at all, but it would be cool, if > webjumps could be installed as easily as plugins in firefox. Let's say > some website (maybe even the conkeror wiki), which has the webjumps > and the user just has to follow some link and the webjump is dumped > into a file (best one file per webjump or so) somewhere in > ~/.conkeror.mozdev.org/ > > Of course, if this is implemented, security should be in the mind. But > since webjumps are usually very small pieces of code, seeing the > source code before downloading and saving it should be sufficient. Here is my idea... Put a module into contrib/ which contains *all* of our webjumps. It would be manually synced with the wiki from time to time. This module would provide an API to install webjumps by name. A person would load this module from their rc, and import the webjumps they want from it. -- John Foerch From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 11:01:14 2009 From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (Deniz Dogan) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:01:14 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] Too many default webjumps In-Reply-To: <20090902154356.GA27919@hecubus> References: <7b501d5c0909020610v2f11067i83fc9cea46c7fd8a@mail.gmail.com> <20090902143317.GB25012@hecubus> <20090902153151.GH32057@sym.noone.org> <20090902154356.GA27919@hecubus> Message-ID: <7b501d5c0909021101g336fb3cer6e141efac43759b0@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/2 John J. Foerch : > On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 05:31:51PM +0200, Axel Beckert wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 10:33:17AM -0400, John J. Foerch wrote: >> > ? Totally agree about all your suggested removals, including "lucky". ?In >> > general, I think that webjumps that are not directly relevant to Conkeror >> > belong on the wiki, where people who actually want them can install >> > them. >> >> I'm not sure if this is possible at all, but it would be cool, if >> webjumps could be installed as easily as plugins in firefox. Let's say >> some website (maybe even the conkeror wiki), which has the webjumps >> and the user just has to follow some link and the webjump is dumped >> into a file (best one file per webjump or so) somewhere in >> ~/.conkeror.mozdev.org/ >> >> Of course, if this is implemented, security should be in the mind. But >> since webjumps are usually very small pieces of code, seeing the >> source code before downloading and saving it should be sufficient. > > > ?Here is my idea... Put a module into contrib/ which contains *all* of > our webjumps. ?It would be manually synced with the wiki from time to > time. ?This module would provide an API to install webjumps by name. ?A > person would load this module from their rc, and import the webjumps they > want from it. > > -- > John Foerch > > > _______________________________________________ > Conkeror mailing list > Conkeror at mozdev.org > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror > +1 I can't wait for this to happen! -- Deniz Dogan From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Wed Sep 2 12:08:20 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:08:20 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] Too many default webjumps In-Reply-To: <7b501d5c0909021101g336fb3cer6e141efac43759b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <7b501d5c0909020610v2f11067i83fc9cea46c7fd8a@mail.gmail.com> <20090902143317.GB25012@hecubus> <20090902153151.GH32057@sym.noone.org> <20090902154356.GA27919@hecubus> <7b501d5c0909021101g336fb3cer6e141efac43759b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090902190820.GA32209@hecubus> On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 08:01:14PM +0200, Deniz Dogan wrote: > 2009/9/2 John J. Foerch : > > On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 05:31:51PM +0200, Axel Beckert wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 10:33:17AM -0400, John J. Foerch wrote: > >> > ? Totally agree about all your suggested removals, including "lucky". ?In > >> > general, I think that webjumps that are not directly relevant to Conkeror > >> > belong on the wiki, where people who actually want them can install > >> > them. > >> > >> I'm not sure if this is possible at all, but it would be cool, if > >> webjumps could be installed as easily as plugins in firefox. Let's say > >> some website (maybe even the conkeror wiki), which has the webjumps > >> and the user just has to follow some link and the webjump is dumped > >> into a file (best one file per webjump or so) somewhere in > >> ~/.conkeror.mozdev.org/ > >> > >> Of course, if this is implemented, security should be in the mind. But > >> since webjumps are usually very small pieces of code, seeing the > >> source code before downloading and saving it should be sufficient. > > > > > > ?Here is my idea... Put a module into contrib/ which contains *all* of > > our webjumps. ?It would be manually synced with the wiki from time to > > time. ?This module would provide an API to install webjumps by name. ?A > > person would load this module from their rc, and import the webjumps they > > want from it. > > > > -- > > John Foerch > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Conkeror mailing list > > Conkeror at mozdev.org > > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror > > > > +1 I can't wait for this to happen! I just wonder if there is really a qualitative difference between doing it this way and copying and pasting from the web. -- John Foerch From vinhdizzo at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 13:30:23 2009 From: vinhdizzo at gmail.com (Vinh Nguyen) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:30:23 -0700 Subject: [Conkeror] gmail default follow link behaviour change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13c5a0ae0909021330s6db18b9ag144cb55da2f104fe@mail.gmail.com> -- This e-mail/fax message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail/fax and destroy all copies of the original message. On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 2:36 AM, Rohan Nicholls wrote: > If you follow a link from gmail with the mouse, it always starts in a new > tab/window. > > The "C-c f" functionality in gmail mode does not do this, which is what I > want > and I keep forgetting the C-u prefix, so here is a patch to make this > behaviour > default.? Again, not very exciting, but does the job. both clicking and hitting "C-c f" in gmail mode opens the link in a new buffer and goes there, like the command "follow-new-buffer." what do u get with C-c f? i'm not getting the same behavior as you. Vinh From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 14:45:31 2009 From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (Deniz Dogan) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 23:45:31 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] Too many default webjumps In-Reply-To: <20090902190820.GA32209@hecubus> References: <7b501d5c0909020610v2f11067i83fc9cea46c7fd8a@mail.gmail.com> <20090902143317.GB25012@hecubus> <20090902153151.GH32057@sym.noone.org> <20090902154356.GA27919@hecubus> <7b501d5c0909021101g336fb3cer6e141efac43759b0@mail.gmail.com> <20090902190820.GA32209@hecubus> Message-ID: <7b501d5c0909021445g2a45a6c2y1d29350d07ffbf64@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/2 John J. Foerch : > On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 08:01:14PM +0200, Deniz Dogan wrote: >> 2009/9/2 John J. Foerch : >> > On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 05:31:51PM +0200, Axel Beckert wrote: >> >> On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 10:33:17AM -0400, John J. Foerch wrote: >> >> > ? Totally agree about all your suggested removals, including "lucky". ?In >> >> > general, I think that webjumps that are not directly relevant to Conkeror >> >> > belong on the wiki, where people who actually want them can install >> >> > them. >> >> >> >> I'm not sure if this is possible at all, but it would be cool, if >> >> webjumps could be installed as easily as plugins in firefox. Let's say >> >> some website (maybe even the conkeror wiki), which has the webjumps >> >> and the user just has to follow some link and the webjump is dumped >> >> into a file (best one file per webjump or so) somewhere in >> >> ~/.conkeror.mozdev.org/ >> >> >> >> Of course, if this is implemented, security should be in the mind. But >> >> since webjumps are usually very small pieces of code, seeing the >> >> source code before downloading and saving it should be sufficient. >> > >> > >> > ?Here is my idea... Put a module into contrib/ which contains *all* of >> > our webjumps. ?It would be manually synced with the wiki from time to >> > time. ?This module would provide an API to install webjumps by name. ?A >> > person would load this module from their rc, and import the webjumps they >> > want from it. >> > >> > -- >> > John Foerch >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Conkeror mailing list >> > Conkeror at mozdev.org >> > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror >> > >> >> +1 I can't wait for this to happen! > > > I just wonder if there is really a qualitative difference between doing it > this way and copying and pasting from the web. Well, e.g. if you lose your configuration file and want to get your webjumps back, you already know the names of the webjumps you want, but don't want to go browse a wiki just to get them. define_webjump("ratpoisonwiki"), define_webjump("lastfm"), define_webjump("conkerorwiki") is all you have to remember. I can't really think of any other reason than that. -- Deniz Dogan From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 05:37:57 2009 From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (Deniz Dogan) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 14:37:57 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] Donations Message-ID: <7b501d5c0909030537q572c2897x6a7b2f4240748a52@mail.gmail.com> I started thinking, since so many users obviously like Conkeror, why not set up a PayPal Donations account? I can't really think of any huge expenses, the only ones being the web hotel and the domain name. Do we need donations? -- Deniz Dogan From rohan.nicholls at googlemail.com Thu Sep 3 07:04:40 2009 From: rohan.nicholls at googlemail.com (Rohan Nicholls) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:04:40 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] gmail default follow link behaviour change In-Reply-To: References: <13c5a0ae0909021330s6db18b9ag144cb55da2f104fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Rohan Nicholls wrote: > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Vinh Nguyen wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 2:36 AM, Rohan >> Nicholls wrote: >>> If you follow a link from gmail with the mouse, it always starts in a new >>> tab/window. >>> >>> The "C-c f" functionality in gmail mode does not do this, which is what I >>> want >>> and I keep forgetting the C-u prefix, so here is a patch to make this >>> behaviour >>> default.? Again, not very exciting, but does the job. >> >> both clicking and hitting "C-c f" in gmail mode opens the link in a >> new buffer and goes there, like the command ?"follow-new-buffer." >> what do u get with C-c f? ?i'm not getting the same behavior as you. >> > > If I hit C-c f I get the link being connected to in the current frame, > which means I lose gmail until I go back. ?It has always done > this for me, hence the change. ?Maybe there is something about my > system that causes this... > Okay, I am not sure what is going on, because on my machine at home, it does what Vinh was saying, and opens the link in a new tab/window. So, it must be something strange with my setup. I will mess with the mac at work tomorrow, and see what happens. Thanks for the help, but this seems to be a patch for me alone. :) Rohan From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Thu Sep 3 08:23:15 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:23:15 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] Donations In-Reply-To: <7b501d5c0909030537q572c2897x6a7b2f4240748a52@mail.gmail.com> References: <7b501d5c0909030537q572c2897x6a7b2f4240748a52@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090903152315.GA25766@hecubus> On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 02:37:57PM +0200, Deniz Dogan wrote: > I started thinking, since so many users obviously like Conkeror, why > not set up a PayPal Donations account? I can't really think of any > huge expenses, the only ones being the web hotel and the domain name. > Do we need donations? We need better web hosting, so yes. Looking into it right now. -- John Foerch From vinhdizzo at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 08:28:42 2009 From: vinhdizzo at gmail.com (Vinh Nguyen) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 08:28:42 -0700 Subject: [Conkeror] Donations In-Reply-To: <20090903152315.GA25766@hecubus> References: <7b501d5c0909030537q572c2897x6a7b2f4240748a52@mail.gmail.com> <20090903152315.GA25766@hecubus> Message-ID: <13c5a0ae0909030828g572f9feboc21a72c94605b050@mail.gmail.com> i would also consider google checkout as an alternative to paypal: http://checkout.google.com/seller/npo/ don't know which is better since i haven't used either for donations. i do agree that we need better web hosting! vinh -- This e-mail/fax message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail/fax and destroy all copies of the original message. On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:23 AM, John J. Foerch wrote: > On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 02:37:57PM +0200, Deniz Dogan wrote: >> I started thinking, since so many users obviously like Conkeror, why >> not set up a PayPal Donations account? I can't really think of any >> huge expenses, the only ones being the web hotel and the domain name. >> Do we need donations? > > We need better web hosting, so yes. ?Looking into it right now. > > -- > John Foerch > _______________________________________________ > Conkeror mailing list > Conkeror at mozdev.org > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror > From jeremy at jeremyms.com Thu Sep 3 18:17:26 2009 From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:17:26 -0700 Subject: [Conkeror] Donations In-Reply-To: <20090903152315.GA25766@hecubus> (John J. Foerch's message of "Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:23:15 -0400") References: <7b501d5c0909030537q572c2897x6a7b2f4240748a52@mail.gmail.com> <20090903152315.GA25766@hecubus> Message-ID: <87fxb3pkyh.fsf@jeremyms.com> "John J. Foerch" writes: > On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 02:37:57PM +0200, Deniz Dogan wrote: >> I started thinking, since so many users obviously like Conkeror, why >> not set up a PayPal Donations account? I can't really think of any >> huge expenses, the only ones being the web hotel and the domain name. >> Do we need donations? > We need better web hosting, so yes. Looking into it right now. One to consider might be nearlyfreespeech.net. One of my friends uses them for web hosting. They are very cheap, and they provide automatic load balancing. Note: I agree that hcoop, my current provider, is not that good. If you find a better one (or decide you like nearlyfreespeech.net or something) that isn't too expensive, certainly let me know. If you'd prefer to administer the server yourself, I can provide any data dumps of the wiki that you need and once you set up an alternate server can change the DNS records to point to it.. They don't provide as much flexibility as other hosting options in terms of the software that can be run, but I don't think we necessarily need such flexibility. Options like linode as Nick has suggested provide complete flexibility, but they provide no automatic load balancing and frankly I think taking care of administering a complete machine, including handling software updates, is a large unnecessary hassle. As far as donations, the expenses are very small. Currently, I'm using my existing account on hcoop which is about $5 a month but since I would have the account anyway, the marginal cost is basically zero. I also am paying for the domain name but that also costs practically nothing. (I actually have conkeror.{org,net,com} to avoid spammers grabbing them, but still the $30 a year is not a significant amount.) Nick is paying for the linode account that is hosting the bug server, but the linode account is not solely for the bug server, presumably. If we accept donations, since Conkeror is not actually an organization, the donations would actually be to a particular person. The actual amount of money spent on the hosting is so small that it would not be worth dealing with the issues of a donation system just for that. If donations in excess of the hosting costs were received, there is the issue of what they would go to. Trying to divide up the money among people would be tricky. Given that we don't really need the money, we could suggest to people that ask about donations that they instead donate to some other charity that they think is useful. :) -- Jeremy Maitin-Shepard From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Thu Sep 3 18:41:21 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 21:41:21 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] Donations In-Reply-To: <87fxb3pkyh.fsf@jeremyms.com> References: <7b501d5c0909030537q572c2897x6a7b2f4240748a52@mail.gmail.com> <20090903152315.GA25766@hecubus> <87fxb3pkyh.fsf@jeremyms.com> Message-ID: <20090904014121.GA7871@hecubus> On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 06:17:26PM -0700, Jeremy Maitin-Shepard wrote: > "John J. Foerch" writes: > > > On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 02:37:57PM +0200, Deniz Dogan wrote: > >> I started thinking, since so many users obviously like Conkeror, why > >> not set up a PayPal Donations account? I can't really think of any > >> huge expenses, the only ones being the web hotel and the domain name. > >> Do we need donations? > > > We need better web hosting, so yes. Looking into it right now. > > One to consider might be nearlyfreespeech.net. One of my friends uses > them for web hosting. They are very cheap, and they provide automatic > load balancing. Note: I agree that hcoop, my current provider, is not > that good. If you find a better one (or decide you like > nearlyfreespeech.net or something) that isn't too expensive, certainly > let me know. If you'd prefer to administer the server yourself, I can > provide any data dumps of the wiki that you need and once you set up an > alternate server can change the DNS records to point to it.. Sketch has volunteered to host the wiki on his server. Can you coordinate with him about the change-over? > If we accept donations, since Conkeror is not actually an organization, > the donations would actually be to a particular person. The actual > amount of money spent on the hosting is so small that it would not be > worth dealing with the issues of a donation system just for that. If > donations in excess of the hosting costs were received, there is the > issue of what they would go to. Trying to divide up the money among > people would be tricky. Given that we don't really need the money, we > could suggest to people that ask about donations that they instead > donate to some other charity that they think is useful. :) I like that idea. -- John Foerch From vinhdizzo at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 22:46:22 2009 From: vinhdizzo at gmail.com (Vinh Nguyen) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 22:46:22 -0700 Subject: [Conkeror] conkeror with evernote Message-ID: <13c5a0ae0909032246vd7e3df3s60a27bdedf2df0a@mail.gmail.com> dear conkeror list, i would like to use evernote's 'clip web' feature. in firefox or safari, i could drag a link that has the following address to the bookmarks bar: javascript:(function(){EN_CLIP_HOST='http://www.evernote.com';try{var%20x=document.createElement('SCRIPT');x.type='text/javascript';x.src=EN_CLIP_HOST+'/public/bookmarkClipper.js?'+(new%20Date().getTime()/100000);document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(x);}catch(e){location.href=EN_CLIP_HOST+'/clip.action?url='+encodeURIComponent(location.href)+'&title='+encodeURIComponent(document.title);}})(); i don't really know javascript, but can i create a webjump for this javascript function? i'd like to be able to surf the web, and when i want to save the page and some notes, i can call this wejump, which opens up a small javascript message window on the page. do-able? thanks. vinh -- This e-mail/fax message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail/fax and destroy all copies of the original message. From rohan.nicholls at googlemail.com Fri Sep 4 02:42:46 2009 From: rohan.nicholls at googlemail.com (Rohan Nicholls) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:42:46 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] about mac stuff Message-ID: I have been goobering around on the mac at work for testing purposes, and so I have ended up installing conkeror on the machine. In the process of I have tweaked a few things with the install, just ui prettiness really. One is that I took that icon from the mailing list of a conker and created an icns file with it. I thought about attaching it, but it as 700kb, so that would be bad form. So I thought I would attach it to the MacOsInstall page on the wiki, but I am not allowed to do that. Would this be interesting to anyone else? And if so where can I put it so it easily found? Btw. I was also looking into how to get xulrunner-bin --install-app to allow adding the icns file as a parameter so it makes the icon automatically the default for the installed app, but it is not obvious. If anyone has any pointers I would much appreciate it. If not I will include a blurb about doing this manually in the .app folder with altering the plist.Info etc. when I figure out where to store the icns file Thanks, Rohan From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Fri Sep 4 04:44:24 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 07:44:24 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] about mac stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090904114424.GA13482@hecubus> On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 11:42:46AM +0200, Rohan Nicholls wrote: > I have been goobering around on the mac at work for testing purposes, > and so I have ended up installing conkeror on the machine. In the > process of I have tweaked a few things with the install, just ui > prettiness really. > > One is that I took that icon from the mailing list of a conker and > created an icns file with it. > > I thought about attaching it, but it as 700kb, so that would be bad > form. So I thought I would attach it to the MacOsInstall page on the > wiki, but I am not allowed to do that. > > Would this be interesting to anyone else? And if so where can I put > it so it easily found? Hi Rohan, Put it on the web and send the URL to the mailing list, or email it to me, and I will act on it. The installation page of the wiki is not an appropriate place for this kind of material because we have taken great pains to make the installation instructions as simple as possible. Also, icons are relevant to all operating systems, not just OS X. To get wiki write access, just make an account (on the login page) and tell one of the wiki admins (me, jbms, or nicktastic) your username. > Btw. I was also looking into how to get xulrunner-bin --install-app to > allow adding the icns file as a parameter so it makes the icon > automatically the default for the installed app, but it is not > obvious. If anyone has any pointers I would much appreciate it. > > If not I will include a blurb about doing this manually in the .app > folder with altering the plist.Info etc. when I figure out where to > store the icns file Icons go in the chrome branding directory. I will be adding them to our repository as soon as I have good ones. Maybe yours will be the first version? I have been experimenting with making icons from the logo, but have not yet achieved the result I want. -- John Foerch From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Fri Sep 4 04:46:49 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 07:46:49 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] conkeror with evernote In-Reply-To: <13c5a0ae0909032246vd7e3df3s60a27bdedf2df0a@mail.gmail.com> References: <13c5a0ae0909032246vd7e3df3s60a27bdedf2df0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090904114649.GB13482@hecubus> On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 10:46:22PM -0700, Vinh Nguyen wrote: > dear conkeror list, > > i would like to use evernote's 'clip web' feature. in firefox or > safari, i could drag a link that has the following address to the > bookmarks bar: > javascript:(function(){EN_CLIP_HOST='http://www.evernote.com';try{var%20x=document.createElement('SCRIPT');x.type='text/javascript';x.src=EN_CLIP_HOST+'/public/bookmarkClipper.js?'+(new%20Date().getTime()/100000);document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(x);}catch(e){location.href=EN_CLIP_HOST+'/clip.action?url='+encodeURIComponent(location.href)+'&title='+encodeURIComponent(document.title);}})(); > > i don't really know javascript, but can i create a webjump for this > javascript function? i'd like to be able to surf the web, and when i > want to save the page and some notes, i can call this wejump, which > opens up a small javascript message window on the page. > > do-able? thanks. Hi Vinh, Refer to the adelicious webjump in modules/webjump.js for an example of a webjump which is a javascript: url. -- John Foerch From vinhdizzo at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 08:36:08 2009 From: vinhdizzo at gmail.com (Vinh Nguyen) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 08:36:08 -0700 Subject: [Conkeror] conkeror with evernote In-Reply-To: <13c5a0ae0909032246vd7e3df3s60a27bdedf2df0a@mail.gmail.com> References: <13c5a0ae0909032246vd7e3df3s60a27bdedf2df0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13c5a0ae0909040836g4dfb4a4dh939f461059243398@mail.gmail.com> ahh thanks john. i should make it a habit to check the conkeror source before emailing. for anyone interested, i just did: define_webjump("clip", "javascript:(function(){EN_CLIP_HOST='http://www.evernote.com';try{var%20x=document.createElement('SCRIPT');x.type='text/javascript';x.src=EN_CLIP_HOST+'/public/bookmarkClipper.js?'+(new%20Date().getTime()/100000);document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(x);}catch(e){location.href=EN_CLIP_HOST+'/clip.action?url='+encodeURIComponent(location.href)+'&title='+encodeURIComponent(document.title);}})();"); and it works. i plan to do this for diigo too. -- This e-mail/fax message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail/fax and destroy all copies of the original message. On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Vinh Nguyen wrote: > dear conkeror list, > > i would like to use evernote's 'clip web' feature. ?in firefox or > safari, i could drag a link that has the following address to the > bookmarks bar: > javascript:(function(){EN_CLIP_HOST='http://www.evernote.com';try{var%20x=document.createElement('SCRIPT');x.type='text/javascript';x.src=EN_CLIP_HOST+'/public/bookmarkClipper.js?'+(new%20Date().getTime()/100000);document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(x);}catch(e){location.href=EN_CLIP_HOST+'/clip.action?url='+encodeURIComponent(location.href)+'&title='+encodeURIComponent(document.title);}})(); > > i don't really know javascript, but can i create a webjump for this > javascript function? ?i'd like to be able to surf the web, and when i > want to save the page and some notes, i can call this wejump, which > opens up a small javascript message window on the page. > > do-able? ?thanks. > > vinh > -- > This e-mail/fax message, including any attachments, is for the sole > use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and > privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, > please contact the sender by reply e-mail/fax and destroy all copies > of the original message. > From nikos.ap at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 14:49:53 2009 From: nikos.ap at gmail.com (Nikos Apostolakis) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 17:49:53 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] Getting read of the acrobat plug-in in Debian Message-ID: <87pra6s7lq.fsf@knotter.earthlink.net> Dear group, I recently had to install acrobat reader to read a pdf file that xpdf couldn't. Since then the behaviour of conkeror when opening pdf files has changed, now every time I follow a link to a pdf file the it opens it in an acrobat window embedded inside the conkeror frame. How can I go back to the default behaviour of every time I follow a pdf link conkeror asking what I want to do with it? This behaviour exists in both the packaged conkeror and the conkeror I got through git. I do have in my .conkerorrc: define_mime_type_external_handler("application/pdf", "xpdf"); Thanks for any help, Nikos From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 16:48:20 2009 From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (Deniz Dogan) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 01:48:20 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] Please, verify this bug Message-ID: <7b501d5c0909041648m36d75084hd7012e09d6206c7f@mail.gmail.com> Could someone please verify that this is a bug? * Go to this URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe * Hit ">" until you get to the header "The outcome of the run-off election" * Notice how ">" will not get you any further. -- Deniz Dogan From michael.dylan.zeller at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 16:55:53 2009 From: michael.dylan.zeller at gmail.com (Michael Zeller) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:55:53 -0700 Subject: [Conkeror] Please, verify this bug In-Reply-To: <7b501d5c0909041648m36d75084hd7012e09d6206c7f@mail.gmail.com> (Deniz Dogan's message of "Sat, 5 Sep 2009 01:48:20 +0200") References: <7b501d5c0909041648m36d75084hd7012e09d6206c7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <871vmms1rq.fsf@zeller.michaelzeller.com> Deniz Dogan writes: > Could someone please verify that this is a bug? > > * Go to this URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe > * Hit ">" until you get to the header "The outcome of the run-off election" > * Notice how ">" will not get you any further. I just tried this and I had no problem scrolling the entire article. I tried on a few different sizes of the Conkeror window, plus narrow and wide, and they all worked. BUT, if I used a conkeror window 636x508, I notice that on that particular node "The outcome of the run-off election", the page scrolls to the right to align the left of Conkeror with the left of the paragraph, whereas no other node before had done this. Although, I am still able to scroll using ">". This behavior is not seen at 636x1020. -- Michael Zeller Institute for Genomics and Bioinformatics University of California, Irvine Message sent from GNU Emacs (uptime: 0d 01h 26m) From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 17:00:42 2009 From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (Deniz Dogan) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 02:00:42 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] Please, verify this bug In-Reply-To: <871vmms1rq.fsf@zeller.michaelzeller.com> References: <7b501d5c0909041648m36d75084hd7012e09d6206c7f@mail.gmail.com> <871vmms1rq.fsf@zeller.michaelzeller.com> Message-ID: <7b501d5c0909041700q17337ae5g522084a6b2c27857@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/5 Michael Zeller : > Deniz Dogan writes: > >> Could someone please verify that this is a bug? >> >> * Go to this URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe >> * Hit ">" until you get to the header "The outcome of the run-off election" >> * Notice how ">" will not get you any further. > > I just tried this and I had no problem scrolling the entire article. I > tried on a few different sizes of the Conkeror window, plus narrow and > wide, and they all worked. > > BUT, if I used a conkeror window 636x508, I notice that on that > particular node "The outcome of the run-off election", the page scrolls > to the right to align the left of Conkeror with the left of the > paragraph, whereas no other node before had done this. Although, I am > still able to scroll using ">". This behavior is not seen at 636x1020. > > -- > Michael Zeller > Institute for Genomics and Bioinformatics > University of California, Irvine > > Message sent from GNU Emacs (uptime: 0d 01h 26m) > I've noticed this problem quite a few times on different Wikipedia pages and it's really bugging me. -- Deniz Dogan From dangerous.ben at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 00:21:54 2009 From: dangerous.ben at gmail.com (Ben Spencer) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 08:21:54 +0100 Subject: [Conkeror] Please, verify this bug In-Reply-To: <7b501d5c0909041648m36d75084hd7012e09d6206c7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <7b501d5c0909041648m36d75084hd7012e09d6206c7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090906072154.GA20039@gaspode> On Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 01:48:20AM +0200, Deniz Dogan wrote: > Could someone please verify that this is a bug? > > * Go to this URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe > * Hit ">" until you get to the header "The outcome of the run-off election" > * Notice how ">" will not get you any further. Reproduced here. Latest conkeror from git, debian xulrunner 1.9.0.13-1. -- Ben Spencer From dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com Sun Sep 6 11:54:44 2009 From: dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com (Daniel Clemente) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 20:54:44 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] Getting read of the acrobat plug-in in Debian References: <87pra6s7lq.fsf@knotter.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <87pra3ucnf.fsf@yahoo.com> El vie, sep 04 2009 a les 23:49, Nikos Apostolakis va escriure: > How can > I go back to the default behaviour of every time I follow a pdf > link conkeror asking what I want to do with it? You need to disable that plugin. Since this is a common question, I wrote some instructions in the wiki about that: http://conkeror.org/Plugins And since the website stopped working after I did some tests with the wiki? (I hope it wasn't me!), I paste here the instructions: 1. M-x extensions RET 2. Go to the ?Plugins? section 3. Look for the bad plugin 4. Click its button ?Disable? -- Daniel From nikos.ap at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 13:26:34 2009 From: nikos.ap at gmail.com (Nikos Apostolakis) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 16:26:34 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] Getting read of the acrobat plug-in in Debian References: <87pra6s7lq.fsf@knotter.earthlink.net> <87pra3ucnf.fsf@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87my57bz0l.fsf@knotter.earthlink.net> Daniel Clemente writes: [...] > And since the website stopped working after I did some tests with the wiki? (I hope it wasn't me!), I paste here the instructions: > > 1. M-x extensions RET > 2. Go to the ?Plugins? section > 3. Look for the bad plugin > 4. Click its button ?Disable? > Worked like a charm. Thanks. Nikos From rohan.nicholls at googlemail.com Mon Sep 7 06:44:56 2009 From: rohan.nicholls at googlemail.com (Rohan Nicholls) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 15:44:56 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] about mac stuff In-Reply-To: <20090904114424.GA13482@hecubus> References: <20090904114424.GA13482@hecubus> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 1:44 PM, John J. Foerch wrote: > On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 11:42:46AM +0200, Rohan Nicholls wrote: >> I have been goobering around on the mac at work for testing purposes, >> and so I have ended up installing conkeror on the machine. ?In the >> process of I have tweaked a few things with the install, just ui >> prettiness really. >> >> One is that I took that icon from the mailing list of a conker and >> created an icns file with it. >> >> I thought about attaching it, but it as 700kb, so that would be bad >> form. ?So I thought I would attach it to the MacOsInstall page on the >> wiki, but I am not allowed to do that. >> >> Would this be interesting to anyone else? ?And if so where can I put >> it so it easily found? > > > Hi Rohan, > > ?Put it on the web and send the URL to the mailing list, or email it to > me, and I will act on it. ?The installation page of the wiki is not an > appropriate place for this kind of material because we have taken great > pains to make the installation instructions as simple as possible. ?Also, > icons are relevant to all operating systems, not just OS X. > > ?To get wiki write access, just make an account (on the login page) and > tell one of the wiki admins (me, jbms, or nicktastic) your username. > > >> Btw. I was also looking into how to get xulrunner-bin --install-app to >> allow adding the icns file as a parameter so it makes the icon >> automatically the default for the installed app, but it is not >> obvious. ?If anyone has any pointers I would much appreciate it. >> >> If not I will include a blurb about doing this manually in the .app >> folder with altering the plist.Info etc. when I figure out where to >> store the icns file > > > ?Icons go in the chrome branding directory. ?I will be adding them to our > repository as soon as I have good ones. ?Maybe yours will be the first > version? ?I have been experimenting with making icons from the logo, but > have not yet achieved the result I want. The files are to be found at: http://www.rohannicholls.com/conkeror/ I took the image from here: http://www.mozdev.org/pipermail/conkeror/2009-February/001403.html And then ran it through http://www.img2icnsapp.com I just wanted something that was not as horrible as the default Apple app icon, so these will probably not be up to snuff. I did not know there was a logo. Where is it? Well if you find the files useful, please help yourself. Take care, Rohan From renaud at casenave-pere.fr Mon Sep 7 07:09:25 2009 From: renaud at casenave-pere.fr (Renaud =?utf-8?B?Q2FzZW5hdmUtUMOpcsOp?=) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:09:25 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Conkeror] wikipedia-other-language not working? Message-ID: <20090907.160925.261045280.renaud@casenave-pere.fr> Hi, I'm using conkeror from the nightly build debian package provided by http://noone.org/conkeror-nightly-debs/ for Debian Sid. I wanted to try out the new wikipedia mode, but when I try to use wikipedia-other-language feature, I get the following error: TypeError: doc.querySelectorAll is not a function Is there something I am doing wrong ? Thanks, -- Renaud Casenave-P?r? From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Mon Sep 7 07:37:00 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 10:37:00 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] about mac stuff In-Reply-To: References: <20090904114424.GA13482@hecubus> Message-ID: <20090907143700.GA16015@hecubus> On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 03:44:56PM +0200, Rohan Nicholls wrote: > I did not know there was a logo. Where is it? The latest is at: http://jjfoerch.com/bitbucket/conker/conker8.svg Current plan is to add tasteful effects to this basic shape, such as bevelling, an inner glow, or a reflection, etc, and make a classy logo. -- John Foerch From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Mon Sep 7 07:38:39 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 10:38:39 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] wikipedia-other-language not working? In-Reply-To: <20090907.160925.261045280.renaud@casenave-pere.fr> References: <20090907.160925.261045280.renaud@casenave-pere.fr> Message-ID: <20090907143839.GB16015@hecubus> On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 04:09:25PM +0200, Renaud Casenave-P?r? wrote: > Hi, > > I'm using conkeror from the nightly build debian package provided by http://noone.org/conkeror-nightly-debs/ for Debian Sid. > > I wanted to try out the new wikipedia mode, but when I try to use wikipedia-other-language feature, I get the following error: > > TypeError: doc.querySelectorAll is not a function > > Is there something I am doing wrong ? That only works with xulrunner 1.9.1 and higher. To skorpan: this should be rewritten to use xpath instead. -- John Foerch From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 07:41:02 2009 From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (Deniz Dogan) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 16:41:02 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] wikipedia-other-language not working? In-Reply-To: <20090907143839.GB16015@hecubus> References: <20090907.160925.261045280.renaud@casenave-pere.fr> <20090907143839.GB16015@hecubus> Message-ID: <7b501d5c0909070741p7d5528c0uf80dcb814119a98@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/7 John J. Foerch : > On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 04:09:25PM +0200, Renaud Casenave-P?r? wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm using conkeror from the nightly build debian package provided by http://noone.org/conkeror-nightly-debs/ for Debian Sid. >> >> I wanted to try out the new wikipedia mode, but when I try to use wikipedia-other-language feature, I get the following error: >> >> TypeError: doc.querySelectorAll is not a function >> >> Is there something I am doing wrong ? > > > > That only works with xulrunner 1.9.1 and higher. > > To skorpan: this should be rewritten to use xpath instead. > > -- > John Foerch > _______________________________________________ > Conkeror mailing list > Conkeror at mozdev.org > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror > If so, only temporarily, until all major operating systems have support for querySelectorAll. XPath is unnecessarily verbose and illegible for most tasks. What do you think? -- Deniz Dogan From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Mon Sep 7 08:19:23 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 11:19:23 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] wikipedia-other-language not working? In-Reply-To: <7b501d5c0909070741p7d5528c0uf80dcb814119a98@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090907.160925.261045280.renaud@casenave-pere.fr> <20090907143839.GB16015@hecubus> <7b501d5c0909070741p7d5528c0uf80dcb814119a98@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090907151923.GA17198@hecubus> On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 04:41:02PM +0200, Deniz Dogan wrote: > 2009/9/7 John J. Foerch : > > On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 04:09:25PM +0200, Renaud Casenave-P?r? wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I'm using conkeror from the nightly build debian package provided by http://noone.org/conkeror-nightly-debs/ for Debian Sid. > >> > >> I wanted to try out the new wikipedia mode, but when I try to use wikipedia-other-language feature, I get the following error: > >> > >> TypeError: doc.querySelectorAll is not a function > >> > >> Is there something I am doing wrong ? > > > > > > That only works with xulrunner 1.9.1 and higher. > > > > To skorpan: this should be rewritten to use xpath instead. > > > If so, only temporarily, until all major operating systems have > support for querySelectorAll. XPath is unnecessarily verbose and > illegible for most tasks. What do you think? For the time being we need to support xulrunner 1.9.0. The syntax difference between css queries and xpath queries is quite trivial. I never found it illegible, and there are examples throughout the source that can be copied. -- John Foerch From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 08:32:26 2009 From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (Deniz Dogan) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 17:32:26 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] wikipedia-other-language not working? In-Reply-To: <20090907151923.GA17198@hecubus> References: <20090907.160925.261045280.renaud@casenave-pere.fr> <20090907143839.GB16015@hecubus> <7b501d5c0909070741p7d5528c0uf80dcb814119a98@mail.gmail.com> <20090907151923.GA17198@hecubus> Message-ID: <7b501d5c0909070832r7382e3cbv9f28db300c1be8a3@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/7 John J. Foerch : > On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 04:41:02PM +0200, Deniz Dogan wrote: >> 2009/9/7 John J. Foerch : >> > On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 04:09:25PM +0200, Renaud Casenave-P?r? wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I'm using conkeror from the nightly build debian package provided by http://noone.org/conkeror-nightly-debs/ for Debian Sid. >> >> >> >> I wanted to try out the new wikipedia mode, but when I try to use wikipedia-other-language feature, I get the following error: >> >> >> >> TypeError: doc.querySelectorAll is not a function >> >> >> >> Is there something I am doing wrong ? >> > >> > >> > That only works with xulrunner 1.9.1 and higher. >> > >> > To skorpan: this should be rewritten to use xpath instead. >> >> >> If so, only temporarily, until all major operating systems have >> support for querySelectorAll. XPath is unnecessarily verbose and >> illegible for most tasks. What do you think? > > > ?For the time being we need to support xulrunner 1.9.0. ?The syntax > difference between css queries and xpath queries is quite trivial. ?I > never found it illegible, and there are examples throughout the source > that can be copied. > > -- > John Foerch > Sure, but what I meant was that it's *unnecessarily* illegible. :) Could someone else make this change for me? I'm kind of swamped at work right now. -- Deniz Dogan From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 10:14:02 2009 From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (Deniz Dogan) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:14:02 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] Why is Opera faster? In-Reply-To: <594f78210909081003n4479c6e9pc54065570e21416e@mail.gmail.com> References: <594f78210909081003n4479c6e9pc54065570e21416e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7b501d5c0909081014q7a7b383ap368820d0ad6575f8@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/8 aditya siram : > Hi all, > I have been using Conkeror for the past year and I love it! But I recently > tried Opera, and while I like Conkeror better for usability, Opera is much > faster. I tried tweaking all the Firefox settings, using FasterFox etc, but > without much effect. Has anyone else managed to make Conkeror faster? > > thanks ... > -deech > > _______________________________________________ > Conkeror mailing list > Conkeror at mozdev.org > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror > > As far as I know, Conkeror can only be as fast as XULRunner/Gecko lets it. This is the fundamental (if not the only) cause of the slowness. As a sidenote, a few Conkeror developers are working on a WebKit-based browser codenamed Minno (http://sourceforge.net/projects/minno/) which will use Gambit Scheme instead of JavaScript and will probably be lightning-fast in comparison. We are all looking forward to seeing where that project goes! That being said, I'd be surprised if the developers at Mozilla aren't investigating ways to make the platform as fast as it once used to be, so all hope isn't lost, I think. -- Deniz Dogan From rohan.nicholls at googlemail.com Tue Sep 8 22:36:32 2009 From: rohan.nicholls at googlemail.com (Rohan Nicholls) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 07:36:32 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] open new tabs beside opener Message-ID: I was wondering if this is something that an extension should deal with or whether it should be added to conkeror. I have always liked having tabs opened beside the opener, and had used various extensions in firefox to make this possible. I looked at about:config but there did not seem any setting for this directly available. Yes, I use the tabbed view in conkeror most of the time. ;) Has anyone already dealt with this? If so what did they do, and if not would it be something that should be part of conkeror? I figure once started with this, various other choices could be made Thanks, Rohan From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 23:35:10 2009 From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (Deniz Dogan) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 08:35:10 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] open new tabs beside opener In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7b501d5c0909082335i32eef1c8h816a3a8f9a5d92b8@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/9 Rohan Nicholls : > I was wondering if this is something that an extension should deal with > or whether it should be added to conkeror. > > I have always liked having tabs opened beside the opener, and had > used various extensions in firefox to make this possible. ?I looked at > about:config but there did not seem any setting for this directly > available. Yes, I use the tabbed view in conkeror most of the time. ;) > > Has anyone already dealt with this? ?If so what did they do, and if > not would it be something that should be part of conkeror? ?I figure > once started with this, various other choices could be made > > Thanks, > > Rohan > _______________________________________________ > Conkeror mailing list > Conkeror at mozdev.org > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror > I don't know if this has been done by anyone, but I could certainly see it being part of the tab bar module in Conkeror as an option. -- Deniz Dogan From rohan.nicholls at googlemail.com Wed Sep 9 02:17:14 2009 From: rohan.nicholls at googlemail.com (Rohan Nicholls) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:17:14 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] about mac stuff In-Reply-To: <20090907143700.GA16015@hecubus> References: <20090904114424.GA13482@hecubus> <20090907143700.GA16015@hecubus> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 4:37 PM, John J. Foerch wrote: > On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 03:44:56PM +0200, Rohan Nicholls wrote: >> I did not know there was a logo. ?Where is it? > > The latest is at: > > ?http://jjfoerch.com/bitbucket/conker/conker8.svg > > > Current plan is to add tasteful effects to this basic shape, such as > bevelling, an inner glow, or a reflection, etc, and make a classy logo. Wow, that is really nice. Much nicer than I had dug up. I will have to update the logo on the mac at work. I have no skills with the gimp et al. so I cannot help out here. Rohan From rohan.nicholls at googlemail.com Wed Sep 9 02:23:04 2009 From: rohan.nicholls at googlemail.com (Rohan Nicholls) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:23:04 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] Why is Opera faster? In-Reply-To: <7b501d5c0909081014q7a7b383ap368820d0ad6575f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <594f78210909081003n4479c6e9pc54065570e21416e@mail.gmail.com> <7b501d5c0909081014q7a7b383ap368820d0ad6575f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Deniz Dogan wrote: > 2009/9/8 aditya siram : > That being said, I'd be surprised if the developers at Mozilla aren't > investigating ways to make the platform as fast as it once used to be, > so all hope isn't lost, I think. For one thing they are completely reimplementing the javascript engine, much like V8 of chrome fame. I would hope that when this enters the mainline (unless I am very out of date and it already has) it should improve everything javascript run. I am hoping that they will also be supporting multithreading etc. as V8 does. Hmm, come to think of it, I wonder why they are not just using V8? Anyway, as everything conkeror is javascript, it will hopefully lead to a huge improvement. That said that minno project sounds interesting. Webkit is very nice, and very, very fast. Rohan From richardlewis at fastmail.co.uk Wed Sep 9 02:27:39 2009 From: richardlewis at fastmail.co.uk (Richard Lewis) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 10:27:39 +0100 Subject: [Conkeror] Why is Opera faster? In-Reply-To: <594f78210909081003n4479c6e9pc54065570e21416e@mail.gmail.com> References: <594f78210909081003n4479c6e9pc54065570e21416e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87r5ugbh84.wl%richard.lewis@gold.ac.uk> At Tue, 8 Sep 2009 12:03:10 -0500, aditya siram wrote: > > [1 ] > [1.1 ] > > [1.2 ] > Hi all, > I have been using Conkeror for the past year and I love it! But I > recently tried Opera, and while I like Conkeror better for > usability, Opera is much faster. I tried tweaking all the Firefox > settings, using FasterFox etc, but without much effect. Has anyone > else managed to make Conkeror faster? > This is probably quite subjective, but it seems to be my experience that Conkeror is quite a bit more nifty under GNOME than it is under Fluxbox. I don't understand why, but it could be something to do with GNOME using gtk engines which perhaps involves pre-loading various libraries and stuff... I don't really know. Richard -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Richard Lewis ISMS, Computing Goldsmiths, University of London Tel: +44 (0)20 7078 5134 Skype: richardjlewis JID: ironchicken at jabber.earth.li http://www.richard-lewis.me.uk/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- +-------------------------------------------------------+ |Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.| |http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html | +-------------------------------------------------------+ From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 02:47:41 2009 From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (Deniz Dogan) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:47:41 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] Why is Opera faster? In-Reply-To: References: <594f78210909081003n4479c6e9pc54065570e21416e@mail.gmail.com> <7b501d5c0909081014q7a7b383ap368820d0ad6575f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7b501d5c0909090247n1f06770bk1a8659002466a45f@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/9 Rohan Nicholls : > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Deniz Dogan wrote: >> 2009/9/8 aditya siram : >> That being said, I'd be surprised if the developers at Mozilla aren't >> investigating ways to make the platform as fast as it once used to be, >> so all hope isn't lost, I think. > > For one thing they are completely reimplementing the javascript > engine, much like V8 of chrome fame. ?I would hope that when this > enters the mainline (unless I am very out of date and it already has) > it should improve everything javascript run. I think the new engine is already out, but I can't remember which versions of XULRunner it comes with. I'm using 1.9.1 and if I'm not mistaken I am using the new engine. > I am hoping that they > will also be supporting multithreading etc. as V8 does. ?Hmm, come to > think of it, I wonder why they are not just using V8? > According to some performance tests, Tracemonkey (Mozilla) is faster than V8[1]. Also, V8 is under some BSD license and I'm not sure if that's compatible with Mozilla's "tri-license" that Wikipedia says that Gecko and XULRunner have. -- Deniz Dogan [1] http://andreasgal.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/tracemonkey-vs-v8/ From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Wed Sep 9 08:42:07 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 11:42:07 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] open new tabs beside opener In-Reply-To: <7b501d5c0909082335i32eef1c8h816a3a8f9a5d92b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <7b501d5c0909082335i32eef1c8h816a3a8f9a5d92b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090909154207.GA13787@hecubus> On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 08:35:10AM +0200, Deniz Dogan wrote: > 2009/9/9 Rohan Nicholls : > > I was wondering if this is something that an extension should deal with > > or whether it should be added to conkeror. > > > > I have always liked having tabs opened beside the opener, and had > > used various extensions in firefox to make this possible. ?I looked at > > about:config but there did not seem any setting for this directly > > available. Yes, I use the tabbed view in conkeror most of the time. ;) > > > > Has anyone already dealt with this? ?If so what did they do, and if > > not would it be something that should be part of conkeror? ?I figure > > once started with this, various other choices could be made > > > > I don't know if this has been done by anyone, but I could certainly > see it being part of the tab bar module in Conkeror as an option. > It's a good idea. I think the place to implement it is at a lower level, where buffers are actually created and their order deterimined. Unlike Firefox, Conkeror's tabs are merely a visualization of the buffer-list, otherwise independent of it, so to have tab-bar/new-tabs do a bunch of special processing would not make the feature available to other modules and visualizations, such as the completions list displayed by `C-x b'. -- John Foerch From dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com Wed Sep 9 14:07:04 2009 From: dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com (Daniel Clemente) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:07:04 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] open new tabs beside opener References: <7b501d5c0909082335i32eef1c8h816a3a8f9a5d92b8@mail.gmail.com> <20090909154207.GA13787@hecubus> Message-ID: <87k507j093.fsf@yahoo.com> > > It's a good idea. I think the place to implement it is at a lower > level, where buffers are actually created and their order deterimined. I think a prerequisite is being able to change the order of buffers Reorder tabs or buffers: http://bugs.conkeror.org/issue151 From jaderholm at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 22:37:45 2009 From: jaderholm at gmail.com (Scott Jaderholm) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:37:45 -0600 Subject: [Conkeror] [PATCH] Overwrite existing file prompt now accepts 'y' and 'n' as shortcuts for 'yes' and 'no' Message-ID: It always bothered me that the "Overwrite existing file x?" prompt made me type out yes or no instead of taking y and n. No more! Cheers, Scott --- modules/minibuffer-read-option.js | 4 ++-- 1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) mode change 100644 => 100755 modules/minibuffer-read-option.js diff --git a/modules/minibuffer-read-option.js b/modules/minibuffer-read-option.js old mode 100644 new mode 100755 index 889b4f5..34deceb --- a/modules/minibuffer-read-option.js +++ b/modules/minibuffer-read-option.js @@ -32,8 +32,8 @@ minibuffer.prototype.read_explicit_option = function () { minibuffer.prototype.read_yes_or_no = function () { keywords(arguments); - var result = yield this.read_explicit_option(forward_keywords(arguments), $options = ["yes", "no"]); - yield co_return(result == "yes"); + var result = yield this.read_explicit_option(forward_keywords(arguments), $options = ["yes", "no", "y", "n"]); + yield co_return(result == "yes" || result == "y"); }; function single_character_options_minibuffer_state(continuation) { -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 23:40:59 2009 From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (Deniz Dogan) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:40:59 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] [PATCH] Overwrite existing file prompt now accepts 'y' and 'n' as shortcuts for 'yes' and 'no' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7b501d5c0909102340p7e1a1d90q1c0746c61a0e372a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/11 Scott Jaderholm : > It always bothered me that the "Overwrite existing file x?" prompt made me > type out yes or no instead of taking y and n. No more! > > Cheers, > Scott > > --- > ?modules/minibuffer-read-option.js |??? 4 ++-- > ?1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) > ?mode change 100644 => 100755 modules/minibuffer-read-option.js > > diff --git a/modules/minibuffer-read-option.js > b/modules/minibuffer-read-option.js > old mode 100644 > new mode 100755 > index 889b4f5..34deceb > --- a/modules/minibuffer-read-option.js > +++ b/modules/minibuffer-read-option.js > @@ -32,8 +32,8 @@ minibuffer.prototype.read_explicit_option = function () { > > ?minibuffer.prototype.read_yes_or_no = function () { > ???? keywords(arguments); > -??? var result = yield > this.read_explicit_option(forward_keywords(arguments), $options = ["yes", > "no"]); > -??? yield co_return(result == "yes"); > +??? var result = yield > this.read_explicit_option(forward_keywords(arguments), $options = ["yes", > "no", "y", "n"]); > +??? yield co_return(result == "yes" || result == "y"); > ?}; > > ?function single_character_options_minibuffer_state(continuation) { > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Conkeror mailing list > Conkeror at mozdev.org > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror > > I actually prefer having to write out "yes" because that makes me think again before actually doing it. My five cents. :) -- Deniz Dogan From sebastian_rose at gmx.de Fri Sep 11 02:06:36 2009 From: sebastian_rose at gmx.de (Sebastian Rose) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:06:36 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] [PATCH] Overwrite existing file prompt now accepts 'y' and 'n' as shortcuts for 'yes' and 'no' In-Reply-To: <7b501d5c0909102340p7e1a1d90q1c0746c61a0e372a@mail.gmail.com> (Deniz Dogan's message of "Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:40:59 +0200") References: <7b501d5c0909102340p7e1a1d90q1c0746c61a0e372a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <878wgl6ear.fsf@gmx.de> Deniz Dogan writes: > 2009/9/11 Scott Jaderholm : >> It always bothered me that the "Overwrite existing file x?" prompt made me >> type out yes or no instead of taking y and n. No more! Try this in your setup: (fset 'yes-or-no-p 'y-or-n-p) ;; y/n instead of `yes/no' Sebastian From sebastian_rose at gmx.de Fri Sep 11 02:08:46 2009 From: sebastian_rose at gmx.de (Sebastian Rose) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:08:46 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] [PATCH] Overwrite existing file prompt now accepts 'y' and 'n' as shortcuts for 'yes' and 'no' In-Reply-To: <878wgl6ear.fsf@gmx.de> (Sebastian Rose's message of "Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:06:36 +0200") References: <7b501d5c0909102340p7e1a1d90q1c0746c61a0e372a@mail.gmail.com> <878wgl6ear.fsf@gmx.de> Message-ID: <874or96e75.fsf@gmx.de> Errr - forgive me - my mind still was on the rong list... Sebastian Rose writes: > Deniz Dogan writes: >> 2009/9/11 Scott Jaderholm : >>> It always bothered me that the "Overwrite existing file x?" prompt made me >>> type out yes or no instead of taking y and n. No more! > > Try this in your setup: > > (fset 'yes-or-no-p 'y-or-n-p) ;; y/n instead of `yes/no' From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 02:08:50 2009 From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (Deniz Dogan) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:08:50 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] [PATCH] Overwrite existing file prompt now accepts 'y' and 'n' as shortcuts for 'yes' and 'no' In-Reply-To: <878wgl6ear.fsf@gmx.de> References: <7b501d5c0909102340p7e1a1d90q1c0746c61a0e372a@mail.gmail.com> <878wgl6ear.fsf@gmx.de> Message-ID: <7b501d5c0909110208p19a3967cr6783143b4d596921@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/11 Sebastian Rose : > Deniz Dogan writes: >> 2009/9/11 Scott Jaderholm : >>> It always bothered me that the "Overwrite existing file x?" prompt made me >>> type out yes or no instead of taking y and n. No more! > > Try this in your setup: > > ?(fset 'yes-or-no-p 'y-or-n-p) ;; y/n instead of `yes/no' > > > > ?Sebastian > Scott means in Conkeror, not Emacs. ;) -- Deniz Dogan From jeremy at jeremyms.com Fri Sep 11 06:11:43 2009 From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 06:11:43 -0700 Subject: [Conkeror] [PATCH] Overwrite existing file prompt now accepts 'y' and 'n' as shortcuts for 'yes' and 'no' In-Reply-To: (Scott Jaderholm's message of "Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:37:45 -0600") References: Message-ID: <87d45xwrqo.fsf@jeremyms.com> Scott Jaderholm writes: > It always bothered me that the "Overwrite existing file x?" prompt made me > type out yes or no instead of taking y and n. No more! It was intentional to require that the full "yes" or "no" be typed to avoid accidental mistakes. However, you could create a new minibuffer.prototype.read_y_or_n function and then in your rc file assign: minibuffer.prototype.read_yes_or_no = minibuffer.prototype.read_y_or_n; -- Jeremy Maitin-Shepard From gzeusmants at gmail.com Sun Sep 13 08:36:15 2009 From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (gzeus) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 10:36:15 -0500 Subject: [Conkeror] Wishlist/call to action: youtube-perfect partial port to replace youtube-mode Message-ID: <87zl8yamc0.wl%gzeus@siduxthink> The current youtube-mode is broken, this greasemonkey script is both currently working, and popular enough to likely remain working. The mousey portions should be made into keyboard commands, and the settings to user-prefs. Some features can/should be lost. It's all public domain code, so we can re-license it to make things simple/cohesive. http://userscripts.org/scripts/review/38074 From aditya.siram at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 18:44:44 2009 From: aditya.siram at gmail.com (aditya siram) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:44:44 -0500 Subject: [Conkeror] Download Shell Command Message-ID: <594f78210909151844q67f19551hd4c9a2c8b9d430fe@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, When I run the download-shell-command, what wildcard can I use to represent the file? For instance if I download a ps.gz file, I want run 'gunzip | gv'. Thanks ... deech -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Wed Sep 16 07:40:04 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:40:04 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] Download Shell Command In-Reply-To: <594f78210909151844q67f19551hd4c9a2c8b9d430fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <594f78210909151844q67f19551hd4c9a2c8b9d430fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090916144004.GA11098@hecubus> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 08:44:44PM -0500, aditya siram wrote: > Hi all, > When I run the download-shell-command, what wildcard can I use to represent the > file? For instance if I download a ps.gz file, I want run 'gunzip | gv'. > Looks like it's {} (a pair of curly-braces). Hm.. conkeror does not seem to be very consistent about substitution syntax, as in webjumps, %s is used. -- John Foerch From dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com Tue Sep 22 04:01:19 2009 From: dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com (Daniel Clemente) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:01:19 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] Can't run shell commands Message-ID: <87fxafdz0g.fsf@yahoo.com> Hi, since some days ago, my Conkeror can't run external commands. That means for instance that PDF files don't open in evince, or that M-x shell-command RET /usr/bin/beep RET doesn't beep. In the output I get each time: [xpconnect wrapped nsILocalFile]: No such file or directory I think this is caused by the upgrade to xulrunner 1.9.0.14-1 (Debian), since older revisions of Conkeror are also showing the same bug on my computer. But since the download manager has been changed recently, I wonder if it is related. conkeror-spawn-helper is in $PATH. -- Daniel From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com Tue Sep 22 04:11:47 2009 From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (Deniz Dogan) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:11:47 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] Can't run shell commands In-Reply-To: <87fxafdz0g.fsf@yahoo.com> References: <87fxafdz0g.fsf@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7b501d5c0909220411m2761fb82y7b1a758dfc023650@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/22 Daniel Clemente : > > Hi, since some days ago, my Conkeror can't run external commands. That means for instance that PDF files don't open in evince, or that M-x shell-command RET /usr/bin/beep RET doesn't beep. > > ?In the output I get each time: > [xpconnect wrapped nsILocalFile]: No such file or directory > > ?I think this is caused by the upgrade to xulrunner 1.9.0.14-1 (Debian), since older revisions of Conkeror are also showing the same bug on my computer. But since the download manager has been changed recently, I wonder if it is related. > ?conkeror-spawn-helper is in $PATH. > > -- Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > Conkeror mailing list > Conkeror at mozdev.org > https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror > If I remember correctly, when I had this problem, I ran "make" in the Conkeror source directory which solved the problem, but I can't really explain why. -- Deniz Dogan From abe at deuxchevaux.org Tue Sep 22 04:56:58 2009 From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:56:58 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] Can't run shell commands In-Reply-To: <7b501d5c0909220411m2761fb82y7b1a758dfc023650@mail.gmail.com> References: <87fxafdz0g.fsf@yahoo.com> <7b501d5c0909220411m2761fb82y7b1a758dfc023650@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090922115658.GC32057@sym.noone.org> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 01:11:47PM +0200, Deniz Dogan wrote: > > Hi, since some days ago, my Conkeror can't run external commands. That means for instance that PDF files don't open in evince, or that M-x shell-command RET /usr/bin/beep RET doesn't beep. > > > > ?In the output I get each time: > > [xpconnect wrapped nsILocalFile]: No such file or directory > > > > ?I think this is caused by the upgrade to xulrunner 1.9.0.14-1 (Debian), since older revisions of Conkeror are also showing the same bug on my computer. But since the download manager has been changed recently, I wonder if it is related. > > ?conkeror-spawn-helper is in $PATH. Is conkeror-spawn-helper in $PATH from the Debian package conkeror-spawn-process-helper? > If I remember correctly, when I had this problem, I ran "make" in the > Conkeror source directory which solved the problem, but I can't really > explain why. As far as I can see conkeror-spawn-helper doesn't depend on any Mozilla code, so I would expect that a recompilation against (more) current libraries shouldn't change anything. Regards, Axel -- Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/ From dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com Tue Sep 22 05:59:48 2009 From: dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com (Daniel Clemente) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:59:48 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] Can't run shell commands References: <87fxafdz0g.fsf@yahoo.com> <7b501d5c0909220411m2761fb82y7b1a758dfc023650@mail.gmail.com> <20090922115658.GC32057@sym.noone.org> Message-ID: <878wg7dtiz.fsf@yahoo.com> El dt, set 22 2009 a les 13:56, Axel Beckert va escriure: >> > ?conkeror-spawn-helper is in $PATH. > > Is conkeror-spawn-helper in $PATH from the Debian package > conkeror-spawn-process-helper? > I tried both (the one from conkeror-spawn-process-helper.deb and the one from conkeror's tree) and they behave the same. This is because it isn't even run. I tried to replace both /usr/lib/conkeror/conkeror-spawn-helper and /usr/local/bin/conkeror-spawn-helper with a shell script that beeps, and ?M-x shell-command RET gedit RET? doesn't beep. However, C-i on a text field correctly opens an external editor. It doesn't beep. Looking at the code: When I execute (M-x shell-command) beep, function spawn-process() at spawn-process.js gets called with program_name="bash" and args=",-c,beep" and working_dir="[xpconnect wrapped nsILocalFile]" (these are string representations). Note that already ?M-x shell-command RET? produces a prompt which asks: ?Shell command [[xpconnect wrapped nsILocalFile]]: ?. Either it's not very friendly or something is wrong. Debian changed the default shell from bash to dash. But I tried repointing /bin/sh to /bin/bash and it happens the same. -- Daniel From dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com Tue Sep 22 06:22:57 2009 From: dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com (Daniel Clemente) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:22:57 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] Can't run shell commands References: <87fxafdz0g.fsf@yahoo.com> <7b501d5c0909220411m2761fb82y7b1a758dfc023650@mail.gmail.com> <20090922115658.GC32057@sym.noone.org> <878wg7dtiz.fsf@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <874oqvdsge.fsf@yahoo.com> El dt, set 22 2009 a les 14:59, Daniel Clemente va escriure: > When I execute (M-x shell-command) beep, function spawn-process() at spawn-process.js gets called with program_name="bash" and args=",-c,beep" and working_dir="[xpconnect wrapped nsILocalFile]" (these are string representations). And spawn_process_internal enters with - program=[xpconnect wrapped nsIFile] - get_file_in_path(program)=[xpconnect wrapped nsIFile] - their path refer to the conkeror-spawn-helper inside Conkeror's tree - args=/tmp/spawn_process_key-11.dat,57849 - process.run(!!blocking, args, args.length) is executed correctly and it is only after that that I get the error From abe at deuxchevaux.org Tue Sep 22 07:10:33 2009 From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:10:33 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] Can't run shell commands In-Reply-To: <878wg7dtiz.fsf@yahoo.com> References: <87fxafdz0g.fsf@yahoo.com> <7b501d5c0909220411m2761fb82y7b1a758dfc023650@mail.gmail.com> <20090922115658.GC32057@sym.noone.org> <878wg7dtiz.fsf@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090922141032.GH32057@sym.noone.org> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 02:59:48PM +0200, Daniel Clemente wrote: > > Is conkeror-spawn-helper in $PATH from the Debian package > > conkeror-spawn-process-helper? > > I tried both (the one from conkeror-spawn-process-helper.deb and the > one from conkeror's tree) and they behave the same. > > This is because it isn't even run. I tried to replace both > /usr/lib/conkeror/conkeror-spawn-helper and > /usr/local/bin/conkeror-spawn-helper with a shell script that beeps, > and ?M-x shell-command RET gedit RET? doesn't beep. However, C-i on > a text field correctly opens an external editor. It doesn't beep. The reason for the non-working beep thing could be because beep needs a terminal to beep while conkeror doesn't need to open the shell in a terminal IIRC. Calling xterm via M-x shell-command though doesn't work either -- neither with 1.9.0.13 nor 1.9.0.14 nor 1.9.1.3. > Looking at the code: > When I execute (M-x shell-command) beep, function spawn-process() at > spawn-process.js gets called with program_name="bash" and > args=",-c,beep" and working_dir="[xpconnect wrapped nsILocalFile]" > (these are string representations). > > Note that already ?M-x shell-command RET? produces a prompt which > asks: ?Shell command [[xpconnect wrapped nsILocalFile]]: ?. Either > it's not very friendly or something is wrong. Especially working_dir="[xpconnect wrapped nsILocalFile]" looks very bad, yes. > Debian changed the default shell from bash to dash. But I tried > repointing /bin/sh to /bin/bash and it happens the same. That should not cause such problems, at least not if bash explicitly is mentioned. Although I do wonder why bash gets called and not sh. Regards, Axel -- Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/ From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Tue Sep 22 08:57:00 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:57:00 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] Can't run shell commands In-Reply-To: <87fxafdz0g.fsf@yahoo.com> References: <87fxafdz0g.fsf@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090922155700.GA30670@hecubus> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 01:01:19PM +0200, Daniel Clemente wrote: > > Hi, since some days ago, my Conkeror can't run external commands. That means for instance that PDF files don't open in evince, or that M-x shell-command RET /usr/bin/beep RET doesn't beep. > > In the output I get each time: > [xpconnect wrapped nsILocalFile]: No such file or directory > > I think this is caused by the upgrade to xulrunner 1.9.0.14-1 (Debian), since older revisions of Conkeror are also showing the same bug on my computer. But since the download manager has been changed recently, I wonder if it is related. > conkeror-spawn-helper is in $PATH. Thanks for the report.. I can reproduce it here. Will work on it today. -- John Foerch From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Tue Sep 22 09:45:41 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:45:41 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] Can't run shell commands In-Reply-To: <20090922155700.GA30670@hecubus> References: <87fxafdz0g.fsf@yahoo.com> <20090922155700.GA30670@hecubus> Message-ID: <20090922164541.GA32582@hecubus> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:57:00AM -0400, John J. Foerch wrote: > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 01:01:19PM +0200, Daniel Clemente wrote: > > > > Hi, since some days ago, my Conkeror can't run external commands. That means for instance that PDF files don't open in evince, or that M-x shell-command RET /usr/bin/beep RET doesn't beep. > > > > In the output I get each time: > > [xpconnect wrapped nsILocalFile]: No such file or directory > > > > I think this is caused by the upgrade to xulrunner 1.9.0.14-1 (Debian), since older revisions of Conkeror are also showing the same bug on my computer. But since the download manager has been changed recently, I wonder if it is related. > > conkeror-spawn-helper is in $PATH. > > > Thanks for the report.. I can reproduce it here. Will work on it today. > fixed -- John Foerch From dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com Tue Sep 22 09:58:59 2009 From: dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com (Daniel Clemente) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:58:59 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] Can't run shell commands References: <87fxafdz0g.fsf@yahoo.com> <20090922155700.GA30670@hecubus> <20090922164541.GA32582@hecubus> Message-ID: <87zl8mdigc.fsf@yahoo.com> > fixed Now this works: M-x shell-command RET beep RET Thanks But following a link to a PDF and asking to open it in evince doesn't open it but produces this output instead: undefined: No such file or directory Maybe some spawn_process caller must pass now a nsILocalFile instead of string? From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Tue Sep 22 10:48:11 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:48:11 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] Can't run shell commands In-Reply-To: <87zl8mdigc.fsf@yahoo.com> References: <87fxafdz0g.fsf@yahoo.com> <20090922155700.GA30670@hecubus> <20090922164541.GA32582@hecubus> <87zl8mdigc.fsf@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090922174811.GA1963@hecubus> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 06:58:59PM +0200, Daniel Clemente wrote: > > > fixed > > Now this works: M-x shell-command RET beep RET > Thanks > > But following a link to a PDF and asking to open it in evince doesn't open it but produces this output instead: > undefined: No such file or directory > > Maybe some spawn_process caller must pass now a nsILocalFile instead of string? d'oh! The "local variables rewrite" patch of June 4 had tendrils reaching into so many parts of conkeror that I failed to test everything I should have. I just pushed another fix, so please try it and test it. Thanks! -- John Foerch From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Tue Sep 22 13:53:53 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:53:53 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] breaking change: define_browser_object_class Message-ID: <20090922205353.GA5873@hecubus> Hi all, The function `define_browser_object_class` no longer takes "label" its second argument. Instead, it takes a keyword parameter called "$hint". Hint differs slightly from label, in that hint should be a short string containing both a verb and a noun, indicating to the user what they will do with the browser object class. The $hint keyword is not necessary with browser object classes that do not use a minibuffer prompt for their interaction. If anyone has questions about updating their browser object classes to reflect this change, ask here or flag me down in the irc channel. -- John Foerch From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Tue Sep 22 17:29:03 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:29:03 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] breaking changes: a few renamed variables Message-ID: <20090923002903.GA11111@hecubus> Hi all, Couple of small changes that may affect your rc: * browser object class pasteurl renamed to paste-url * some variables renamed: buffer.current_URI => buffer.current_uri buffer._display_URI => buffer._display_uri buffer.display_URI_string => buffer.display_uri_string conkeror_chrome_URI => conkeror_chrome_uri -- John Foerch From dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com Tue Sep 22 23:23:38 2009 From: dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com (Daniel Clemente) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:23:38 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] Can't run shell commands References: <87fxafdz0g.fsf@yahoo.com> <20090922155700.GA30670@hecubus> <20090922164541.GA32582@hecubus> <87zl8mdigc.fsf@yahoo.com> <20090922174811.GA1963@hecubus> Message-ID: <871vly18np.fsf@yahoo.com> El dt, set 22 2009 a les 19:48, John J. Foerch va escriure: > d'oh! The "local variables rewrite" patch of June 4 had tendrils reaching > into so many parts of conkeror that I failed to test everything I should > have. I just pushed another fix, so please try it and test it. Thanks! I have tested that the following works now: - M-x shell-command RET beep RET - M-x shell-command RET gedit RET - C-i in a text field - follow a link, select to open it in evince - follow a link, select to open it in beep :-) Thanks From mashdot at toshine.net Wed Sep 23 06:19:36 2009 From: mashdot at toshine.net ('Mash) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:19:36 +0100 Subject: [Conkeror] sagepub.com - browser support Message-ID: <20090923131936.GG21799@grace.toshine.net> I have just started using SAGE Publications (http://www.uk.sagepub.com) and discovered that I cannot use Conkeror or Firefox (Iceweasel 3.0.14). Looking at the site via Firefox on a Windows desktop I see... https://secure.uk.sagepub.com/js/browserdetect_lite.js (needs "https") Whats strange is that I can't work out why Firefox on Linux won't work, does not the above script check for the Gecko engine? 'Mash --- Sola fide, Sola Gratia, Soli Deo gloria! From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Wed Sep 23 07:42:38 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:42:38 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] sagepub.com - browser support In-Reply-To: <20090923131936.GG21799@grace.toshine.net> References: <20090923131936.GG21799@grace.toshine.net> Message-ID: <20090923144238.GA21185@hecubus> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 02:19:36PM +0100, 'Mash wrote: > > I have just started using SAGE Publications (http://www.uk.sagepub.com) and discovered that I cannot use Conkeror or Firefox (Iceweasel 3.0.14). > Looking at the site via Firefox on a Windows desktop I see... https://secure.uk.sagepub.com/js/browserdetect_lite.js (needs "https") > > Whats strange is that I can't work out why Firefox on Linux won't work, does not the above script check for the Gecko engine? Have you tried using set_user_agent(...); in your rc? -- John Foerch From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Wed Sep 23 15:56:33 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:56:33 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] conkeror 0.9.1 Message-ID: <20090923225633.GA1386@hecubus> Note to any package maintainers out there, Conkeror in git now has the version number 0.9.1. Also removed the vestiges of our old "preprocessor" system, meaning that there are no more "$CONKEROR_VERSION$" strings to deal with. Cheers -- John Foerch From mashdot at toshine.net Thu Sep 24 01:21:00 2009 From: mashdot at toshine.net ('Mash) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:21:00 +0100 Subject: [Conkeror] sagepub.com - browser support In-Reply-To: <20090923144238.GA21185@hecubus> References: <20090923131936.GG21799@grace.toshine.net> <20090923144238.GA21185@hecubus> Message-ID: <20090924082100.GJ21799@grace.toshine.net> On 2009-09-23 10:42-0400, John J. Foerch wrote: > Have you tried using set_user_agent(...); in your rc? > > -- > John Foerch Thanks that did the trick. For interest sake, in the end I used: set_user_agent("Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0)"); I also found http://www.useragent.org which prints your useragent, very helpful. By default without anything being set, Conkeror returns: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.13) Gecko/2009082121 Still not really sure why sagepub.com does not like this. 'Mash --- Sola fide, Sola Gratia, Soli Deo gloria! From dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com Thu Sep 24 05:14:23 2009 From: dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com (Daniel Clemente) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:14:23 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] corrections for transpose-chars Message-ID: <87my4kwnds.fsf@yahoo.com> Hi. 1. I don't understand why C-t (transpose-chars) won't swap two-letter fields, e.g. og ? go. The first patch below makes this work. Note that other programs (readline, bash, Emacs) do the same. 2. Can transpose-chars be also activated for the minibuffer? The second patch does this. I feel I should have used minibuffer-transpose-chars instead of transpose-chars, just like the other keys do, but I don't know why the minibuffer- prefix was used. In fact, where are all those functions like minibuffer-backward-word defined? Could you add some explanatory comments? Thanks -- Daniel [1]: diff --git a/modules/commands.js b/modules/commands.js index 6e77a22..1ecced2 100644 --- a/modules/commands.js +++ b/modules/commands.js @@ -125,10 +125,9 @@ function transpose_chars (field) { var caret = field.selectionStart; // Caret position. var length = value.length; - // If we have less than two character in the field or if we are at the - // beginning of the field, do nothing. - if (length <= 2 || caret == 0) - return; + // If we are at the beginning of the field, do nothing. + if (caret==0) + return; // If we are at the end of the field, switch places on the two last // characters. TODO: This should happen at the end of every line, not only [2]: diff --git a/modules/bindings/default/minibuffer.js b/modules/bindings/default/minibuffer.js index 969afcb..8f0f27a 100644 --- a/modules/bindings/default/minibuffer.js +++ b/modules/bindings/default/minibuffer.js @@ -23,6 +23,7 @@ define_key(minibuffer_base_keymap, "C-d", "minibuffer-cmd_deleteCharForward"); define_key(minibuffer_base_keymap, "delete", "minibuffer-cmd_deleteCharForward"); define_key(minibuffer_base_keymap, "M-d", "minibuffer-cmd_deleteWordForward"); define_key(minibuffer_base_keymap, "C-delete", "minibuffer-cmd_deleteWordForward"); +define_key(minibuffer_base_keymap, "C-t", "transpose-chars"); define_key(minibuffer_base_keymap, "C-b", "minibuffer-backward-char"); define_key(minibuffer_base_keymap, "left", "minibuffer-backward-char"); define_key(minibuffer_base_keymap, "M-b", "minibuffer-backward-word"); From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com Thu Sep 24 07:53:10 2009 From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (deniz.a.m.dogan) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:53:10 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] corrections for transpose-chars In-Reply-To: <87my4kwnds.fsf@yahoo.com> References: <87my4kwnds.fsf@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7b501d5c0909240753rc5c8333q673501f6a1e8415@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Daniel Thank you for the patches! 2009/9/24 Daniel Clemente : > Hi. > > 1. I don't understand why C-t (transpose-chars) won't swap two-letter fields, e.g. og ? go. The first patch below makes this work. Note that other programs (readline, bash, Emacs) do the same. The problem with my initial version (I wrote the original function) was that it checked for "length <= 2" when it should have checked for "length < 2". The rationale is that there is no point in trying to transpose characters on a line with zero or one character. I can't test your patch, because I don't have Conkeror readily available at the moment. > 2. Can transpose-chars be also activated for the minibuffer? The second patch does this. I feel I should have used minibuffer-transpose-chars instead of transpose-chars, just like the other keys do, but I don't know why the minibuffer- prefix was used. In fact, where are all those functions like minibuffer-backward-word defined? Could you add some explanatory comments? Yes, it should be activated in the minibuffer as well, but I don't know why the "minibuffer-" prefix on commands exists. A wild guess is that maybe M- should echo "Text is read-only" (like in Emacs) which doesn't happen in e.g. web text fields. -- Deniz Dogan From jeremy at jeremyms.com Thu Sep 24 12:14:00 2009 From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:14:00 -0700 Subject: [Conkeror] corrections for transpose-chars In-Reply-To: <7b501d5c0909240753rc5c8333q673501f6a1e8415@mail.gmail.com> (deniz a. m. dogan's message of "Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:53:10 +0200") References: <87my4kwnds.fsf@yahoo.com> <7b501d5c0909240753rc5c8333q673501f6a1e8415@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <877hvoxiiv.fsf@jeremyms.com> "deniz.a.m.dogan" writes: > Hi, Daniel > Thank you for the patches! > 2009/9/24 Daniel Clemente : >> Hi. >> >> 1. I don't understand why C-t (transpose-chars) won't swap two-letter fields, > e.g. og ? go. The first patch below makes this work. Note that other programs > (readline, bash, Emacs) do the same. > The problem with my initial version (I wrote the original function) > was that it checked for "length <= 2" when it should have checked for > "length < 2". The rationale is that there is no point in trying to > transpose characters on a line with zero or one character. I can't > test your patch, because I don't have Conkeror readily available at > the moment. >> 2. Can transpose-chars be also activated for the minibuffer? The second patch > does this. I feel I should have used minibuffer-transpose-chars instead of > transpose-chars, just like the other keys do, but I don't know why the > minibuffer- prefix was used. In fact, where are all those functions like > minibuffer-backward-word defined? Could you add some explanatory comments? > Yes, it should be activated in the minibuffer as well, but I don't > know why the "minibuffer-" prefix on commands exists. A wild guess is > that maybe M- should echo "Text is read-only" (like in > Emacs) which doesn't happen in e.g. web text fields. Commands that operate on the minibuffer are separate from the commands that operate on the buffer. Due to architectural differences between Mozilla (and Conkeror) and Emacs, this allows things to be more robust to focus issues. -- Jeremy Maitin-Shepard From WaterLin at ymail.com Thu Sep 24 20:11:35 2009 From: WaterLin at ymail.com (Water Lin) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:11:35 +0800 Subject: [Conkeror] Can I change the font for a specific site? Message-ID: <83skebd8go.fsf@ymail.com> While I am exploring some sites in my Conkeror, the font size is too small and makes my eyes very tired. Is there a way to set the font size of this specific site? Thanks -- Water Lin's blog: http://blog.waterlin.org Email: WaterLin at ymail.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From doy at tozt.net Fri Sep 25 00:35:51 2009 From: doy at tozt.net (Jesse Luehrs) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:35:51 -0500 Subject: [Conkeror] patch: handle killing the last buffer a little better Message-ID: <20090925073550.GE21204@tozt.net> >From ab6618459e75aa8c940c0cedeb5c1ba5a43b028a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Jesse Luehrs Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:26:45 -0500 Subject: [PATCH] handle killing the last buffer a little better replace it with an empty buffer if we aren't allowed to kill it --- modules/buffer.js | 5 +++-- 1 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/modules/buffer.js b/modules/buffer.js index 633670a..efa9c08 100644 --- a/modules/buffer.js +++ b/modules/buffer.js @@ -605,8 +605,9 @@ function kill_buffer (buffer, force) { delete_window(buffer.window); return; } - else - throw interactive_error("Can't kill last buffer."); + else { + create_buffer(buffer.window, buffer_creator(content_buffer), OPEN_NEW_BUFFER_BACKGROUND); + } } buffers.kill_buffer(buffer); } -- 1.6.4.4 From jeremy at jeremyms.com Fri Sep 25 06:48:19 2009 From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:48:19 -0700 Subject: [Conkeror] patch: handle killing the last buffer a little better In-Reply-To: <20090925073550.GE21204@tozt.net> (Jesse Luehrs's message of "Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:35:51 -0500") References: <20090925073550.GE21204@tozt.net> Message-ID: <874oqrw2xo.fsf@jeremyms.com> Jesse Luehrs writes: >> From ab6618459e75aa8c940c0cedeb5c1ba5a43b028a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > From: Jesse Luehrs > Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:26:45 -0500 > Subject: [PATCH] handle killing the last buffer a little better > replace it with an empty buffer if we aren't allowed to kill it This doesn't seem that useful since the only thing you would do with the new buffer is use it to browse to a different URL, which you could have done with the existing buffer anyway. If this is really desirable behavior, though, you could create a user variable that enables this behavior when set, but leaves the existing behavior when unset, as I would want the existing behavior to still be available. > --- > modules/buffer.js | 5 +++-- > 1 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) > diff --git a/modules/buffer.js b/modules/buffer.js > index 633670a..efa9c08 100644 > --- a/modules/buffer.js > +++ b/modules/buffer.js > @@ -605,8 +605,9 @@ function kill_buffer (buffer, force) { > delete_window(buffer.window); > return; > } > - else > - throw interactive_error("Can't kill last buffer."); > + else { > + create_buffer(buffer.window, buffer_creator(content_buffer), > OPEN_NEW_BUFFER_BACKGROUND); > + } > } > buffers.kill_buffer(buffer); > } > -- > 1.6.4.4 -- Jeremy Maitin-Shepard From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com Fri Sep 25 06:54:53 2009 From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (Deniz Dogan) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:54:53 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] patch: handle killing the last buffer a little better In-Reply-To: <874oqrw2xo.fsf@jeremyms.com> References: <20090925073550.GE21204@tozt.net> <874oqrw2xo.fsf@jeremyms.com> Message-ID: <7b501d5c0909250654h5e9ea0fbs978dc8e072d357bd@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/25 Jeremy Maitin-Shepard : > Jesse Luehrs writes: > >>> From ab6618459e75aa8c940c0cedeb5c1ba5a43b028a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 >> From: Jesse Luehrs >> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:26:45 -0500 >> Subject: [PATCH] handle killing the last buffer a little better > >> replace it with an empty buffer if we aren't allowed to kill it > > This doesn't seem that useful since the only thing you would do with the > new buffer is use it to browse to a different URL, which you could have > done with the existing buffer anyway. Not entirely true though, since the state of the killed buffer would be wiped (for whatever reason one might have to do so). -- Deniz Dogan From levy at msri.org Fri Sep 25 07:34:48 2009 From: levy at msri.org (Silvio Levy) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:34:48 -0700 Subject: [Conkeror] patch: handle killing the last buffer a little better In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:48:19 -0700 Message-ID: <20090925143448.79EEBDFCE@xi.msri.org> > This doesn't seem that useful It's useful if you're surfing the web at work and need to kill a buffer quickly... Silvio From doy at tozt.net Fri Sep 25 07:46:40 2009 From: doy at tozt.net (Jesse Luehrs) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:46:40 -0500 Subject: [Conkeror] patch: handle killing the last buffer a little better In-Reply-To: <874oqrw2xo.fsf@jeremyms.com> References: <20090925073550.GE21204@tozt.net> <874oqrw2xo.fsf@jeremyms.com> Message-ID: <20090925144640.GF21204@tozt.net> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 06:48:19AM -0700, Jeremy Maitin-Shepard wrote: > Jesse Luehrs writes: > > >> From ab6618459e75aa8c940c0cedeb5c1ba5a43b028a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > > From: Jesse Luehrs > > Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:26:45 -0500 > > Subject: [PATCH] handle killing the last buffer a little better > > > replace it with an empty buffer if we aren't allowed to kill it > > This doesn't seem that useful since the only thing you would do with the > new buffer is use it to browse to a different URL, which you could have > done with the existing buffer anyway. It's more for consistency - if I tell it to kill a buffer, then I want that buffer to be killed, and whether or not the window closes from killing the last buffer is orthogonal to that. This is also how vimperator handles the situation. > If this is really desirable behavior, though, you could create a user > variable that enables this behavior when set, but leaves the existing > behavior when unset, as I would want the existing behavior to still be > available. I can make it an option, if you think that would be better. -doy From abe at deuxchevaux.org Fri Sep 25 08:17:42 2009 From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:17:42 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] Fwd: Debian's direction [origin: lbbarnes@ji-net.com] Message-ID: <20090925151742.GS32057@sym.noone.org> Hi, I received the following e-mail from an -- as he says -- non-technical conkeror user. He writes about his view of Conkeror, Debian, Emacs and other things. When I talked about that mail on IRC, many others thought of a troll or at least a flamebait. I have not the feeling that the purpose is to just bother some developers but that someone really tries to get comfortable with Conkeror, but stumbles a little bit. And I even think so although the first mail was bascially an empty mail with an attached text file called "conk-rant.txt". In my experience, rants help a lot to understand some of your own misconceptions, because people tend to defend their "child" and write detailed explanations why you are wrong. It's those details you seldom get with just asking. :-) And yeah, he's surely not right with a few things, but I think this is possibly caused by missing or maybe misleading documentation. So let's fix that. I will reply to his mail, too, with Cc to the list and suggest him to subscribe to the list. ----- Forwarded message from Lawrence Barnes ----- From: Lawrence Barnes Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:57:34 +0700 Reply-To: lbbarnes at ji-net.com Subject: Debian's direction To: abe at deuxchevaux.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Dear Mr. Beckert: This message is addressed to you because you are the author of the Debian Conkeror package, and because your posts at noone.org suggest that you may be receptive to a few observations from a Debian user. Please forgive my imposition on your time. I am writing to express a few opinions regarding Conkeror and related matters; accordingly it would be best if I introduce myself. What I am not is actually more important than what I am: I am not a formal student of IT, not an IT professional, and not a computer hobbyist. I am a computer user whose tasks include communicating by e-mail, gathering information from the internet, writing and editing texts, and publishing a tiny free newsletter in HTML format. My other uses for a computer are trivial. My experience began with DOS before the advent of Windows, but I never set out to learn any aspect of programming. Over ten years ago, many problems with Windows led me to ask about Linux, and I was told I am too stupid to use that OS. That led me to install SuSE on a laptop. I have learned a few things, but I remain what I call "an eternal newbie." I do not like using the GUI or the mouse, and am increasingly unhappy with Iceweasel in whatever version. I prefer to work from the command line. I use Xemacs (instead of Emacs because Xemacs highlights marked text) rather than any word processor, and I continue to expand my (limited) capabilities in TeTeX/LaTeX. So I hoped to make Conkeror part of my toolkit. As I read about Conkeror, I became enthusiastic, but I was dismayed to discover that I must have some ability in JavaScript. A little investigation told me this skill is not trivial, and, beyond giving me access to Conkeror, would be of no help with my tasks. (To me, a computer is a tool, a kind of super-typewriter. It's not a field of study such as history or philosophy.) Then, in my attempt to download and install the latest version of your Debian package, I discovered that my apt sources list had problems. On updating, I was causing an (apparently) infinite task to begin: my computer was attempting to resolve deficiencies in Testing. A review of sources on the internet regarding pinning and the use of multiple sources was of no help. Following the instructions, in other words, was useless. This leads me to ask you two questions: 1. Would it not be a good idea to tell those investigating Conkeror that they will have to write instructions in JavaScript? It seems to me that fact should be placed near the beginning of any description of Conkeror. 2. Can we assume that there are other "eternal newbies" like me, Debian users who are disenchanted with the GUI, Iceweasel, and the mouse, and who would love to use Conkeror? I believe we can, and I think these folks could use some help. I suggest that Conkeror take the Mutt approach. There are lots of config files on the internet for Mutt, so newbies don't have to solve the puzzle anew. One copies, cuts and pastes, and starts using Mutt. Mutt, sophisticated as it is, is for everybody because its developers and users want it that way. That leads to a third question that has an indirect connection to Conkeror: why can't the Debian community have a current, accurate set of instructions that actually WORKS for sources.list? I note the wonderful HOWTO by rickh on the Debian Forum, but it is out of date. Now if some poor newbie (like me) wants Conkeror, and is willing to set apt up properly so he can run Lenny and use the Testing/Unstable version of Conkeror, can't someone take pity on him and tell him how to do it these days? I suggest strongly that Conkeror's documentation should include instructions on taking care of the apt sources.list so that it does not run amok. As a very ordinary user, I feel excluded by applications that require skills I do not have the time or desire to acquire (such as writing JavaScript). I have work to do; that work does not allow time for me to study for weeks to learn something I won't use twice. I have to feel that because I am not in the "1337," I am prevented from running an app that I probably would love. And I am puzzled by the attitude of Debian insiders who seem to be comfortable with the idea that I can't have a pretty straightforward option in my box because I'm not qualified. I think if we take a close look at that concept, we'll see that it is bankrupt and even dangerous to those who hold it. Consider what could happen. Debian (and Linux) users in general may find that they can enjoy a reasonable range of choices only if they become adept in arcane skills that are utterly unnecessary to the task. Eventually they are going to ask questions like, "Who must be a coder in order to use the GUI? Who has to know Lisp to use Emacs?" If users who are trying to simplify their apps and get rid of the eye candy and nonsense can do so only after they master what I would call non-essential skills, where is Linux headed? To answer my own question: into esoteric strata where those simply wishing to use the tools created by software developers are not welcome. Is that what we want? Didn't the Debian community make a conscious decision to include rather than exclude people when it created the deb and apt concepts? The wisdom of Debian's choices was made clear when big rpm-based distros like SuSE adopted apt. Debian's tradition is to make the tools of computing accessible; other distros make the tools and procedures downright off-putting. I believe something like one-third of all distros were either Debian or Debian-based, the last time I looked. We have a tradition that others respect, and it seems to me we should honor it. I recall telling my nephew that he was making a mistake to go on the internet with Windows, and that he should install Linux on his box. His response stunned me: "Yeah, but don't you have to learn a foreign language to use Linux?" Today I find there was an element of unfortunate truth in his ignorant question. I hope my comments have been provocative, even if they include a number of factual errors and misconceptions. Please understand that I felt motivated to write you because some hours spent searching and studying left me feeling disappointed...and then concerned. I would hate to see Debian retreat behind a barrier that keeps people like me out. And yes, I do understand that the more I know, the more I can do; it's just that I have the feeling that I am being excluded for a very silly, very unnecessary, and very counterproductive reason. Again: why should anyone have to know Lisp to use Emacs? When Debian users start asking that question, it will be because too many Debian apps are excluding all but hard-core IT wizards. Debian will become a niche distro, which won't help anybody. The world needs only one Slackware. (I don't mean to ridicule Patrick and his people. I have long said, "If you have a tough Linux question that is not distro-specific, ask a Slackware user.") Thank you very much indeed for taking the time to read this. I do not want or expect a reply. My intent is simply to ask you to consider comments that come from a segment of the Debian community that does not want to be pushed aside as irrelevant. Gratefully, Lawrence Barnes ----- End forwarded message ----- I also got his permission to post it to the mailing list: ----- Forwarded message from Lawrence Barnes ----- From: Lawrence Barnes Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:49:13 +0700 Reply-To: lbbarnes at ji-net.com Subject: Debian's direction To: Axel Beckert User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:11:18AM +0200, Axel Beckert wrote: > Dear Mr. Barnes, > If you allow me, I would also like to forward your mail to at least > other Conkeror developers or the Conkeror users mailing list for a > more open discussion of your points. Yes, of course you have my permission! I do think it would be best if the entire text were passed along, though. I would like everyone to have a copy of the full message. Thanks in advance. If you wish to respond in detail, I'll be pleased to read your remarks. > I definitely appreciate your feedback, especially because it is from a > non-technical user and it shows that Conkeror is even interesting for > them. I confess surprise: it seems to me a browser of this sort would be of interest to a lot of non-technical users. > With regards to Debian: The goal of Debian is to be a universal > operating system which also includes software most people can't use or > control. (Of course that shouldn't count for web browsers. :-) The > goal you described is surely existent in Debian, but I'm not sure if > it's really the highest priority. I would rather expect that this goal > is the highest priority in Ubuntu -- which also comes with the Debian > Conkeror package with just a little lag. And Ubuntu makes an effort to provide a working rcfile in JavaScript, so the Ubuntu user can start Conkeror? I doubt it. I could find no sample rcfile for Conkeror on the internet. Again, consider the example of Mutt. -- I'm repeating myself. > One more thing now: The next conkeror package (which will come in the > next days) will for the first time include some Debian and Ubuntu > specific webjumps so that Debian and Ubuntu users don't need to add > them theirself. Jumps are great, but I can't get Conkeror to display because there are no settings for the display. Evidently I have to put those settings into the rcfile. In JavaScript. But I'm not sure, because the instructions don't deal with all the circumstances. All the best, Lawrence ----- End forwarded message ----- Regards, Axel (Maintainer of the Debian conkeror package) -- Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/ From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Fri Sep 25 08:45:29 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:45:29 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] Fwd: Debian's direction [origin: lbbarnes@ji-net.com] In-Reply-To: <20090925151742.GS32057@sym.noone.org> References: <20090925151742.GS32057@sym.noone.org> Message-ID: <20090925154529.GA18830@hecubus> Would like to recommend something like Vimperator to Lawrence... Conkeror is a niche browser, by design. Good idea about having config files available on the web. Mine have been available for quite a long time at http://jjfoerch.com/git/conkerorrc/. Perhaps we need a wiki page that places links like this more prominently where people can find them. -- John Foerch From doy at tozt.net Fri Sep 25 08:47:47 2009 From: doy at tozt.net (Jesse Luehrs) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:47:47 -0500 Subject: [Conkeror] Fwd: Debian's direction [origin: lbbarnes@ji-net.com] In-Reply-To: <20090925154529.GA18830@hecubus> References: <20090925151742.GS32057@sym.noone.org> <20090925154529.GA18830@hecubus> Message-ID: <20090925154747.GG21204@tozt.net> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:45:29AM -0400, John J. Foerch wrote: > > Would like to recommend something like Vimperator to Lawrence... Conkeror > is a niche browser, by design. > > Good idea about having config files available on the web. Mine have been > available for quite a long time at http://jjfoerch.com/git/conkerorrc/. > Perhaps we need a wiki page that places links like this more prominently > where people can find them. Mine's at http://github.com/doy/conf/blob/master/conkerorrc if it helps. -doy From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Fri Sep 25 09:12:58 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:12:58 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] Fwd: Debian's direction [origin: lbbarnes@ji-net.com] In-Reply-To: <20090925154747.GG21204@tozt.net> References: <20090925151742.GS32057@sym.noone.org> <20090925154529.GA18830@hecubus> <20090925154747.GG21204@tozt.net> Message-ID: <20090925161258.GA20018@hecubus> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:47:47AM -0500, Jesse Luehrs wrote: > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:45:29AM -0400, John J. Foerch wrote: > > > > Good idea about having config files available on the web. Mine have been > > available for quite a long time at http://jjfoerch.com/git/conkerorrc/. > > Perhaps we need a wiki page that places links like this more prominently > > where people can find them. > > Mine's at http://github.com/doy/conf/blob/master/conkerorrc if it helps. Excellent---I started a list at http://conkeror.org/ExampleConfigs -- John Foerch From eichin at gmail.com Fri Sep 25 12:06:25 2009 From: eichin at gmail.com (Mark Eichin) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:06:25 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] Fwd: Debian's direction [origin: lbbarnes@ji-net.com] In-Reply-To: <20090925151742.GS32057@sym.noone.org> References: <20090925151742.GS32057@sym.noone.org> Message-ID: Not conkeror-specific, but: Ubuntu's approach of having formally recognized "PPA" package-specific apt sources for things outside of the main release seems like something you'd find useful - with debian, you probably *shouldn't* be changing your sources.list (especially with recent versions, where you have /etc/apt/sources.list.d to put additional snippets in) but ubuntu does the extra work to provide a supportable answer for when you do, and even tells you (on the individual project page) what snippet to add. (I found this particularly useful for the new version of KPhotoAlbum.) (oh, and emacs22 does highlight mouse-selected text; if you hit M-space twice instead of once, it does it for keyboard-selected text too, and I'd assume you could make that the default. Not a reason to switch away from Xemacs by itself, though.) From dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com Sun Sep 27 23:33:29 2009 From: dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com (Daniel Clemente) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:33:29 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] corrections for transpose-chars References: <87my4kwnds.fsf@yahoo.com> <7b501d5c0909240753rc5c8333q673501f6a1e8415@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87my4fzih2.fsf@yahoo.com> > The rationale is that there is no point in trying to > transpose characters on a line with zero or one character. I forgot the case length==1, but it seems to work well. Add if(length>1) if needed. > Yes, it should be activated in the minibuffer as well, but I don't > know why the "minibuffer-" prefix on commands exists. Taking an example: define_key(minibuffer_base_keymap, "M-f", "minibuffer-forward-word"); Still harder is to know where a command named minibuffer-forward-word was defined. I couldn't find any with grep, and also there are no signs of the string "minibuffer-" being added to function names. Therefore I think that a comment could explain the magic behind this. -- Daniel From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Mon Sep 28 08:51:21 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:51:21 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] corrections for transpose-chars In-Reply-To: <87my4fzih2.fsf@yahoo.com> References: <87my4kwnds.fsf@yahoo.com> <7b501d5c0909240753rc5c8333q673501f6a1e8415@mail.gmail.com> <87my4fzih2.fsf@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090928155121.GA23782@hecubus> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 08:33:29AM +0200, Daniel Clemente wrote: > > > The rationale is that there is no point in trying to > > transpose characters on a line with zero or one character. > I forgot the case length==1, but it seems to work well. Add if(length>1) if needed. > > > > Yes, it should be activated in the minibuffer as well, but I don't > > know why the "minibuffer-" prefix on commands exists. > > Taking an example: > define_key(minibuffer_base_keymap, "M-f", "minibuffer-forward-word"); > > Still harder is to know where a command named minibuffer-forward-word was defined. I couldn't find any with grep, and also there are no signs of the string "minibuffer-" being added to function names. > Therefore I think that a comment could explain the magic behind this. Grep for define_builtin_commands.. incidentally this needs to be rewritten, but since it works "good enough" it's not at the top of my to-do. -- John Foerch From mashdot at toshine.net Wed Sep 30 03:11:38 2009 From: mashdot at toshine.net ('Mash) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:11:38 +0100 Subject: [Conkeror] Google results filter... Message-ID: <20090930101138.GA19986@grace.toshine.net> I just had an idea... Would it be possible to create an optional "g" (Google search) to use a defined list of sites you wish to filter out of the search, using Google's "-term" ? For instance in your .rc file you could create a list of sites or terms filterList = ('wikipedia','bigresource.com') and then say using "gf" you would get: http://www.google.com/search?q=javascript+function+-wikipedia+-bigresource.com I have no idea how to implement this even in a webjump without spending hours; but one of you lot could surely whip-up a webjump or expand the Google module. The idea came when I wanted to create a easy way to filter out the horror that is "bigresource.com" from my results. 'Mash --- Sola fide, Sola Gratia, Soli Deo gloria! From jjfoerch at earthlink.net Wed Sep 30 07:34:55 2009 From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J. Foerch) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:34:55 -0400 Subject: [Conkeror] Google results filter... In-Reply-To: <20090930101138.GA19986@grace.toshine.net> References: <20090930101138.GA19986@grace.toshine.net> Message-ID: <20090930143455.GA16358@hecubus> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:11:38AM +0100, 'Mash wrote: > I just had an idea... > > Would it be possible to create an optional "g" (Google search) to use a > defined list of sites you wish to filter out of the search, using > Google's "-term" ? > > For instance in your .rc file you could create a list of sites or terms > > filterList = ('wikipedia','bigresource.com') > > and then say using "gf" you would get: > > http://www.google.com/search?q=javascript+function+-wikipedia+-bigresource.com > > > I have no idea how to implement this even in a webjump without spending > hours; but one of you lot could surely whip-up a webjump or expand the > Google module. > > The idea came when I wanted to create a easy way to filter out the > horror that is "bigresource.com" from my results. Doesn't google itself have this feature? Next to each search result, there is an [X] button. Not 100% sure. To do this in conkeror would entail adding a feature to google-search-results-mode, not creating a webjump. -- John Foerch From burin080 at planet.nl Wed Sep 30 08:25:13 2009 From: burin080 at planet.nl (Ricardo Buring) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:25:13 +0200 Subject: [Conkeror] Google results filter... In-Reply-To: <20090930143455.GA16358@hecubus> References: <20090930101138.GA19986@grace.toshine.net> <20090930143455.GA16358@hecubus> Message-ID: <1254324313.81659.211.camel@Ares.God> On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 10:34 -0400, John J. Foerch wrote: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:11:38AM +0100, 'Mash wrote: > > I just had an idea... > > > > Would it be possible to create an optional "g" (Google search) to use a > > defined list of sites you wish to filter out of the search, using > > Google's "-term" ? > > > > For instance in your .rc file you could create a list of sites or terms > > > > filterList = ('wikipedia','bigresource.com') > > > > and then say using "gf" you would get: > > > > http://www.google.com/search?q=javascript+function+-wikipedia+-bigresource.com > > > > > > I have no idea how to implement this even in a webjump without spending > > hours; but one of you lot could surely whip-up a webjump or expand the > > Google module. > > > > The idea came when I wanted to create a easy way to filter out the > > horror that is "bigresource.com" from my results. > > > Doesn't google itself have this feature? Next to each search result, > there is an [X] button. Not 100% sure. > > To do this in conkeror would entail adding a feature to > google-search-results-mode, not creating a webjump. > I haven't looked into Google modes, but you can put this quick Javascript in your .conkerorrc for a webjump: google_blacklist_array = ["wikipedia", "bigresource.com"]; google_blacklist = ""; for(var i=0; i References: <20090930101138.GA19986@grace.toshine.net> <20090930143455.GA16358@hecubus> <1254324313.81659.211.camel@Ares.God> Message-ID: <20090930152731.GA17611@hecubus> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 05:25:13PM +0200, Ricardo Buring wrote: > On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 10:34 -0400, John J. Foerch wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:11:38AM +0100, 'Mash wrote: > > > I just had an idea... > > > > > > Would it be possible to create an optional "g" (Google search) to use a > > > defined list of sites you wish to filter out of the search, using > > > Google's "-term" ? > > > > > > For instance in your .rc file you could create a list of sites or terms > > > > > > filterList = ('wikipedia','bigresource.com') > > > > > > and then say using "gf" you would get: > > > > > > http://www.google.com/search?q=javascript+function+-wikipedia+-bigresource.com > > > > > > > > > I have no idea how to implement this even in a webjump without spending > > > hours; but one of you lot could surely whip-up a webjump or expand the > > > Google module. > > > > > > The idea came when I wanted to create a easy way to filter out the > > > horror that is "bigresource.com" from my results. > > > > > > Doesn't google itself have this feature? Next to each search result, > > there is an [X] button. Not 100% sure. > > > > To do this in conkeror would entail adding a feature to > > google-search-results-mode, not creating a webjump. > > > > I haven't looked into Google modes, but you can put this quick > Javascript in your .conkerorrc for a webjump: > > google_blacklist_array = ["wikipedia", "bigresource.com"]; > google_blacklist = ""; > for(var i=0; i { > google_blacklist += "+-" + google_blacklist_array[i]; > } > define_webjump("gf", "http://www.google.com/search?q=%s"+google_blacklist); > > That's probably not the best way to do it, but it works :) Clever! -- John Foerch