From schulte.eric at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 13:17:26 2009
From: schulte.eric at gmail.com (Eric Schulte)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:17:26 -0800
Subject: [Conkeror] highlight colors for commands like follow dependent
	on font color
In-Reply-To: <20090103193411.GB13218@thor> (Oleg Katsitadze's message of "Sat, 
	3 Jan 2009 21:34:11 +0200")
References: <87abacuosn.fsf@gmail.com> <87bpus3y37.fsf@earthlink.net>
	<871vvot7r6.fsf@gmail.com> <20090103193411.GB13218@thor>
Message-ID: <87aba8w0m1.fsf@gmail.com>

Oleg Katsitadze <olegkat at gmail.com> writes:

> [Off-topic]
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:22:21PM -0800, Eric Schulte wrote:
>> I like dark backgrounds and light text (and they save laptop battery
>
> If I'm not mistaken, the crystals need voltage applied to them in
> order to block the backlight and appear black.  But the backlight
> always remains on.  So dark screens consume more power than light
> ones.  But the difference is probably negligible.
>

You're right, apparently the darker color would only make a difference
on cathode-ray tube monitors.  Thanks for the correction -- Eric

http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/does-a-darkened-google-really-save-electricity-104/

>
> Oleg

From olegkat at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 11:34:11 2009
From: olegkat at gmail.com (Oleg Katsitadze)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:34:11 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] highlight colors for commands like follow
	dependent	on font color
In-Reply-To: <871vvot7r6.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87abacuosn.fsf@gmail.com> <87bpus3y37.fsf@earthlink.net>
	<871vvot7r6.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090103193411.GB13218@thor>

[Off-topic]

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 12:22:21PM -0800, Eric Schulte wrote:
> I like dark backgrounds and light text (and they save laptop battery

If I'm not mistaken, the crystals need voltage applied to them in
order to block the backlight and appear black.  But the backlight
always remains on.  So dark screens consume more power than light
ones.  But the difference is probably negligible.

Oleg

From vxmarg at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 03:02:01 2009
From: vxmarg at gmail.com (Vasilis Margioulas)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:02:01 +0100
Subject: [Conkeror] Debugging javascript commands
Message-ID: <b180a0bc0901050302p76210221sba2ef0bda9690bbb@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a way to see the output of a javascript command?
I am trying to invoke an emacsclient command from conkeror
with shell_command('emacsclient --eval "(th-org-remember-conkeror
\"test\")"')
which works on mac osx and linux but not on windows.
On a windows shell the emacsclient command works just fine.

Thank you.
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From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  1 18:19:16 2009
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:19:16 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] how to change page encoding?
References: <20081230015614.GA5564@lars-x200s> <87ocys47ta.fsf@earthlink.net>
	<20081231185959.GA4245@lars-x200s> <877i5g3wfs.fsf@earthlink.net>
	<20090101043117.GA3838@lars-x200s>
Message-ID: <87myeah2l7.fsf@earthlink.net>

> In fact now most webpages have correct charset specification, so a
> simple command: "set-page-encoding GB2312" is good enough:)
>
> The regexp-pattern method is very considerable but not very neccessary.
> Moreover, if someone really needs that feature, he/she can make an
> on-loading hook in rc-file.
>
> best
> lars
>

>From what I have learned so far, in order to force a charset, it is
necessary to reload the page, giving the charset as a parameter to the
underlying loadURI call.

This is why I think it is necessary to extend conkeror's interface to
loadURI (apply_load_spec) to accomplish this.

-- 
John Foerch


From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Mon Jan  5 12:52:02 2009
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:52:02 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] two webjumps removed
Message-ID: <87tz8d4gst.fsf@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

  The youtube and sheldonbrown webjumps have been removed from conkeror
proper and put on the wiki.  If you need to put either of these webjumps
in your rc, they are available at <http://conkeror.org/Webjumps>.

  Sorry for any inconvenience.

-- 
John Foerch


From psykon at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 14:22:43 2009
From: psykon at gmail.com (Daniel Rebelo de Oliveira)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:22:43 +0000
Subject: [Conkeror] two webjumps removed
References: <87tz8d4gst.fsf@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <878wppxuj0.fsf@gmail.com>

What's the rationale behind removing the youtube webjump? It is pretty
popular i imagine.


From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 14:40:09 2009
From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (Deniz Dogan)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:40:09 +0100
Subject: [Conkeror] two webjumps removed
In-Reply-To: <878wppxuj0.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87tz8d4gst.fsf@earthlink.net> <878wppxuj0.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7b501d5c0901051440h95730a1o3e7cfc6aa13bf549@mail.gmail.com>

2009/1/5 Daniel Rebelo de Oliveira <psykon at gmail.com>:
> What's the rationale behind removing the youtube webjump? It is pretty
> popular i imagine.

I believe we agreed on removing all "default" webjumps and just let
users decide for themselves which ones they want.

Deniz

From psykon at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 14:45:15 2009
From: psykon at gmail.com (Daniel Rebelo de Oliveira)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:45:15 +0000
Subject: [Conkeror] two webjumps removed
References: <87tz8d4gst.fsf@earthlink.net> <878wppxuj0.fsf@gmail.com>
	<7b501d5c0901051440h95730a1o3e7cfc6aa13bf549@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87tz8dwex0.fsf@gmail.com>

Sounds reasonable, are you removing everything, including "google"?


From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 14:48:05 2009
From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (Deniz Dogan)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:48:05 +0100
Subject: [Conkeror] two webjumps removed
In-Reply-To: <87tz8dwex0.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87tz8d4gst.fsf@earthlink.net> <878wppxuj0.fsf@gmail.com>
	<7b501d5c0901051440h95730a1o3e7cfc6aa13bf549@mail.gmail.com>
	<87tz8dwex0.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7b501d5c0901051448u36e46b75mead267744e3fc561@mail.gmail.com>

2009/1/5 Daniel Rebelo de Oliveira <psykon at gmail.com>:
> Sounds reasonable, are you removing everything, including "google"?

I can't answer for everybody, but I think that was what we agreed on
and as far as I can see, if we start removing some default webjumps,
we might as well remove every single one, for plain consistency.

Deniz

From psykon at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 14:51:00 2009
From: psykon at gmail.com (Daniel Rebelo de Oliveira)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:51:00 +0000
Subject: [Conkeror] two webjumps removed
References: <87tz8d4gst.fsf@earthlink.net> <878wppxuj0.fsf@gmail.com>
	<7b501d5c0901051440h95730a1o3e7cfc6aa13bf549@mail.gmail.com>
	<87tz8dwex0.fsf@gmail.com>
	<7b501d5c0901051448u36e46b75mead267744e3fc561@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87eizhwenf.fsf@gmail.com>

"Deniz Dogan" <deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com> writes:

> 2009/1/5 Daniel Rebelo de Oliveira <psykon at gmail.com>:
>> Sounds reasonable, are you removing everything, including "google"?
>
> I can't answer for everybody, but I think that was what we agreed on
> and as far as I can see, if we start removing some default webjumps,
> we might as well remove every single one, for plain consistency.
>
> Deniz

I completely agree :)


From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Mon Jan  5 17:27:15 2009
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:27:15 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] two webjumps removed
References: <87tz8d4gst.fsf@earthlink.net> <878wppxuj0.fsf@gmail.com>
	<7b501d5c0901051440h95730a1o3e7cfc6aa13bf549@mail.gmail.com>
	<87tz8dwex0.fsf@gmail.com>
	<7b501d5c0901051448u36e46b75mead267744e3fc561@mail.gmail.com>
	<87eizhwenf.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87prj14424.fsf@earthlink.net>

> "Deniz Dogan" <deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com> writes:
>
>> 2009/1/5 Daniel Rebelo de Oliveira <psykon at gmail.com>:
>>> Sounds reasonable, are you removing everything, including "google"?
>>
>> I can't answer for everybody, but I think that was what we agreed on
>> and as far as I can see, if we start removing some default webjumps,
>> we might as well remove every single one, for plain consistency.
>>
>> Deniz
>
> I completely agree :)

Some of the webjumps like google and wikipedia are actually OpenSearch
xml files rather than "webjumps" as such.  These files were copied from
Firefox, and as far as I know, there is no easy web repository where one
can go to get them.  So for the time being, we are stuck with at least
distributing these webjumps with conkeror.

Another example of webjumps which conkeror will include for the
foreseeable future is the wikipedia-webjumps module, which simply
involves so much javascript code that it is easier to include it than to
put it on the wiki (but enabling it does involve some code in the rc).

However, for the simple webjumps, I would like to get basically all of
them moved to the wiki.  The basic rationale is..

 - it is typically more efficient to simply go to one place to find the
   webjumps you actually want, rather than having to determine which
   ones are and which are not already included conkeror (by fishing
   through source code).

 - it reduces the sense of playing favorites with certain companies, and
   conversely the need to have an ever-expanding set of included
   webjumps out of a sense of fairness (if we have youtube, does that
   mean we should also have joost and hulu?  let's not go there)

 - hopefully, having the webjumps on the wiki will spur users' interest
   in writing improved versions of those webjumps, with nice features
   like site-specific completions.  (see the magick-options webjump for
   my favorite example of such)

On a sad note, Sheldon Brown passed away quite some time ago, and as
such his website, while entertaining, is not an up-to-date source of
information about bicycling.

-- 
John Foerch


From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Mon Jan  5 17:29:35 2009
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:29:35 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] Debugging javascript commands
References: <b180a0bc0901050302p76210221sba2ef0bda9690bbb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87ljtp43y8.fsf@earthlink.net>

> Is there a way to see the output of a javascript command?
> I am trying to invoke an emacsclient command from conkeror
> with shell_command('emacsclient --eval "(th-org-remember-conkeror \"test\")"')
> which works on mac osx and linux but not on windows.
> On a windows shell the emacsclient command works just fine.

Conkeror uses a program called conkeror-spawn-helper to be able to
interface with external programs.  That program is unfortunately not yet
compatible with Windows.

-- 
John Foerch


From songcq at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 20:10:14 2009
From: songcq at gmail.com (Chengqi(Lars) Song)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:10:14 +0800
Subject: [Conkeror] copying url of current page
Message-ID: <20090106041014.GB3388@lars-x200s>

hi,

is there function to copy current page's url?

btw, i cannot find a way to save a picture if it has no href to itself,
how to save a picture in a page?

lars


From jackhill at MIT.EDU  Mon Jan  5 20:25:37 2009
From: jackhill at MIT.EDU (Edgar J Hill)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:25:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Conkeror] copying url of current page
In-Reply-To: <20090106041014.GB3388@lars-x200s>
References: <20090106041014.GB3388@lars-x200s>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0901052323300.26568@vinegar-pot.mit.edu>

Lars,
    To copy the current URL the key sequence is m (for an action on a frame) 
then c (for copy). If the page has more then one frame, 0 will give you 
the parent URL.

Sorry I don't know how to save a picture.

Jack

On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, Chengqi(Lars) Song wrote:

> hi,
>
> is there function to copy current page's url?
>
> btw, i cannot find a way to save a picture if it has no href to itself,
> how to save a picture in a page?
>
> lars
>
> _______________________________________________
> Conkeror mailing list
> Conkeror at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror
>

From jeremy at jeremyms.com  Mon Jan  5 20:58:48 2009
From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:58:48 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] copying url of current page
In-Reply-To: <20090106041014.GB3388@lars-x200s> (Chengqi Song's message of
	"Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:10:14 +0800")
References: <20090106041014.GB3388@lars-x200s>
Message-ID: <87bpul58tz.fsf@jeremyms.com>

"Chengqi(Lars) Song" <songcq at gmail.com> writes:

> hi,
> is there function to copy current page's url?

> btw, i cannot find a way to save a picture if it has no href to itself,
> how to save a picture in a page?

To save an image, type

i s


i selects images, s is the save command

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

From songcq at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 21:36:19 2009
From: songcq at gmail.com (Chengqi(Lars) Song)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:36:19 +0800
Subject: [Conkeror] opening page in existing conkeror instance
Message-ID: <20090107053619.GA7062@lars-x200s>

hi,

i set my terminal's default web browser to be conkeror. but it always
open a new conkeror instance. how to open in existing conkeror instance?
like what firefox does.

thanks
lars

From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 22:29:42 2009
From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (Deniz Dogan)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:29:42 +0100
Subject: [Conkeror] opening page in existing conkeror instance
In-Reply-To: <20090107053619.GA7062@lars-x200s>
References: <20090107053619.GA7062@lars-x200s>
Message-ID: <7b501d5c0901062229x6915289em54664770fa452508@mail.gmail.com>

2009/1/7 Chengqi(Lars) Song <songcq at gmail.com>:
> hi,
>
> i set my terminal's default web browser to be conkeror. but it always
> open a new conkeror instance. how to open in existing conkeror instance?
> like what firefox does.
>
> thanks
> lars
> _______________________________________________
> Conkeror mailing list
> Conkeror at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror
>

Add this to your RC file:

url_remoting_fn = load_url_in_new_buffer;

Deniz

From songcq at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 04:59:16 2009
From: songcq at gmail.com (Chengqi(Lars) Song)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:59:16 +0800
Subject: [Conkeror] document of conkeror?
Message-ID: <20090107125916.GA3449@lars-x200s>

hi

where is it? i cannot find it on conkwiki

thanks
lars

From songcq at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 05:05:14 2009
From: songcq at gmail.com (Chengqi(Lars) Song)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 21:05:14 +0800
Subject: [Conkeror] effect of can_kill_last_buffer=false
Message-ID: <20090107130514.GB3449@lars-x200s>

hi john,

do you think it's better to make the effect of
	can_kill_last_buffer=false 
to be can kill last buffer but the conkeror remains open? like some
other browsers do.

thanks
lars

From jeremy at jeremyms.com  Wed Jan  7 22:38:19 2009
From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:38:19 -0800
Subject: [Conkeror] effect of can_kill_last_buffer=false
In-Reply-To: <20090107130514.GB3449@lars-x200s> (Chengqi Song's message of
	"Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:05:14 +0800")
References: <20090107130514.GB3449@lars-x200s>
Message-ID: <874p0a5mlg.fsf@jeremyms.com>

"Chengqi(Lars) Song" <songcq at gmail.com> writes:

> hi john,
> do you think it's better to make the effect of
> 	can_kill_last_buffer=false 
> to be can kill last buffer but the conkeror remains open? like some
> other browsers do.

Conkeror is currently designed, like Emacs, under the assumption that
there is always a current buffer (in each window).  For that reason, if
we allowed the last buffer of a window to be killed without deleting the
window itself, an inconsistent state would result.  (Note, for instance,
that the current keymap is determined from the current buffer.)  One
option that has been proposed on bugs.conkeror.org, though, is to open
an about:blank buffer if the last buffer is killed.

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

From jeremy at jeremyms.com  Wed Jan  7 23:04:18 2009
From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:04:18 -0800
Subject: [Conkeror] Breaking change: -cwd command-line argument removed
Message-ID: <87wsd646tp.fsf@jeremyms.com>

The -cwd command-line argument (which allowed setting the cwd for new
buffers created), and would typically be used via the syntax -cwd $PWD,
has been removed.

Instead, the cwd is obtained automatically, so there is no need to
specify it explicitly anymore.

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Thu Jan  8 22:37:05 2009
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (Adam Winkler)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:37:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Conkeror] Icon themes?
Message-ID: <30623028.37960.1231483025806.JavaMail.root@ip-10-251-38-48.ec2.internal>

Is tere any inerets in themes for icons? That is to say: Oxygen for KDE, Clearlooks for GNOME in additoin to the propsed Mac-like icon(s)?
As I said on the IRC channel: I know someone who does this sort of work regularly.
__  "I hate phones..."  -TheGZeus  __
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From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  9 10:46:51 2009
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:46:51 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] opening page in existing conkeror instance
References: <20090107053619.GA7062@lars-x200s>
	<7b501d5c0901062229x6915289em54664770fa452508@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87hc4848ro.fsf@earthlink.net>

> 2009/1/7 Chengqi(Lars) Song <songcq at gmail.com>:
>> hi,
>>
>> i set my terminal's default web browser to be conkeror. but it always
>> open a new conkeror instance. how to open in existing conkeror instance?
>> like what firefox does.
>>
>> thanks
>> lars
>> _______________________________________________
>> Conkeror mailing list
>> Conkeror at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror
>>
>
> Add this to your RC file:
>
> url_remoting_fn = load_url_in_new_buffer;
>
> Deniz

To clarify, the default behavior is not to run a new "instance", just a
new window in the already-running instance.

-- 
John Foerch


From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  9 10:50:31 2009
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:50:31 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] document of conkeror?
References: <20090107125916.GA3449@lars-x200s>
Message-ID: <87d4ew48lk.fsf@earthlink.net>

> hi
>
> where is it? i cannot find it on conkwiki
>
> thanks
> lars

Can you clarify your question?

There are indeed some parts of conkeror that have not yet been
documented, but that is why we have a wiki---to help us write more
documentation.

-- 
John Foerch


From levy at msri.org  Fri Jan  9 11:00:30 2009
From: levy at msri.org (Silvio Levy)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:00:30 -0800
Subject: [Conkeror] download tab instead of download window
In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:50:31 -0500 
Message-ID: <20090109190030.CCE80DFC2@xi.msri.org>


Thanks for telling us how to set url_remoting_fn so external
invocations of conkeror open a new tab (buffer) instead of a new window.

I'd like downloads, too, to open new tabs instead of new windows.
I've tried (unsuccessfully) to find in the source code a variable to
control this. 

Does anyone know offhand?

Silvio



From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  9 11:07:34 2009
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:07:34 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] download tab instead of download window
References: <20090109190030.CCE80DFC2@xi.msri.org>
Message-ID: <878wpk47t5.fsf@earthlink.net>

> Thanks for telling us how to set url_remoting_fn so external
> invocations of conkeror open a new tab (buffer) instead of a new window.
>
> I'd like downloads, too, to open new tabs instead of new windows.
> I've tried (unsuccessfully) to find in the source code a variable to
> control this. 
>
> Does anyone know offhand?
>
> Silvio

download_buffer_automatic_open_target

* Target for opening a download buffer for a new download. An
  open/follow target constant. Default is OPEN_NEW_WINDOW. Other
  possible values are OPEN_CURRENT_BUFFER, OPEN_NEW_BUFFER,
  OPEN_NEW_BUFFER_BACKGROUND.

-- 
John Foerch


From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  9 13:22:24 2009
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:22:24 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] highlight colors for commands like follow dependent
	on font color
References: <87abacuosn.fsf@gmail.com> <87bpus3y37.fsf@earthlink.net>
	<871vvot7r6.fsf@gmail.com> <873ag43weg.fsf@earthlink.net>
	<87wsdgrre3.fsf@gmail.com> <87r63o2fm5.fsf@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <873afs41kf.fsf@earthlink.net>

>>> Can you take a screenshot?
>>
>> yup, here it is
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/l63zZVBtguIGmXkm3OKT8Q?feat=directlink
>
> Thanks.  Need time to experiment with it now.

Eric,

  Just a quick update... the problem with the lightgray-on-white text
here is deeper than the fix you proposed.  While a bit of code to set a
contrasting background color may actually work in this specific case, it
would not work in the general case, because the problem here is actually
the use of the css !important symbol throughout the stylesheet in
question and the fact that when conkeror changes styles on a document
(to do the hints decoration for example), those rules must compete in
the normal order of css precedence.

  The use of !important was apparently necessary in order for the
stylesheet to override the google style.  However, when rules are marked
as !important, they are not easily overridden.  Conkeror "correctly"
sets the text color of the links to black, but the !important definition
in the stylesheet still takes precedence.

  I have some more experimentation to do, so this is not my final word
on the subject.

  As a side-note to this, it is no longer necessary to use the Stylish
extension to do things like this, as conkeror now has a themes module of
its own.  Diagnosing this problem has given me a couple of ideas of how
the themes module could be improved to make it easier to use though.  So
look for future changes related to that.

-- 
John Foerch


From flurie at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 13:49:48 2009
From: flurie at gmail.com (Alexander D. Flurie)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:49:48 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] Problems with all save commands
Message-ID: <d8b34d700901111349g45f3eff7vf49aec51d8ccfae3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I just updated to the latest version of conkeror for the first time in about
two months, and now any time I try any save commands (e.g. save, save-page),
I get the following exception: [Exception... "Component returned failure
code: 0x80520001 (NS_ERROR_FILE_UNRECOGNIZED_PATH)
[nsILocalFile.initWithPath]"  nsresult: "0x80520001
(NS_ERROR_FILE_UNRECOGNIZED_PATH)"  location: "JS frame ::
chrome://conkeror/content/utils.js :: make_file :: line 135"  data: no]. I
haven't been able to find similar problems in the archives. I'm running Mac
OS, and I followed the instructions for compiling to app at
http://conkeror.org/InstallationOSX using the latest XULrunner. I also
removed my conkeror profile information at ~/Library/Application
Support/conkeror/, which didn't seem to have any effect. Any idea what might
be causing this?

Thanks,

ADF
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From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 11 15:11:49 2009
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:11:49 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] Problems with all save commands
References: <d8b34d700901111349g45f3eff7vf49aec51d8ccfae3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87wsd1a156.fsf@earthlink.net>

> Hi all,
>
> I just updated to the latest version of conkeror for the first time in about two months, and now any time I try any save commands (e.g. save, save-page),
> I get the following exception: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80520001 (NS_ERROR_FILE_UNRECOGNIZED_PATH) [nsILocalFile.initWithPath]" 
> nsresult: "0x80520001 (NS_ERROR_FILE_UNRECOGNIZED_PATH)"  location: "JS frame :: chrome://conkeror/content/utils.js :: make_file :: line 135"  data: no].
> I haven't been able to find similar problems in the archives. I'm running Mac OS, and I followed the instructions for compiling to app at http://
> conkeror.org/InstallationOSX using the latest XULrunner. I also removed my conkeror profile information at ~/Library/Application Support/conkeror/, which
> didn't seem to have any effect. Any idea what might be causing this?
>

Hi,

  Thanks for the report and sorry for the inconvenience.  For the time
being, you can roll back to 6d26df4c7c0814e181dbeeea2956e5f6410e9e60
and the problem should go away while I investigate it.  We're in the
process of changing the way working directories and download directories
are managed, and an unexpected bug cropped up in the process.  Your
report about the error on OS X is also helpful, and I will be able to
do some testing on OS X as I get the new system in place.

  If you're not modifying conkeror, you can do the roll-back with:

   git checkout 6d26df4c7c0814e181dbeeea2956e5f6410e9e60

  and you can get back to the master branch at any time with:
  
   git checkout master

Thanks,
John Foerch


From heart.of.sea.xp at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 21:32:52 2009
From: heart.of.sea.xp at gmail.com (=?GB2312?B?uN/UtA==?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:32:52 +0800
Subject: [Conkeror] C-n problem
Message-ID: <27b583b70901112132v3fe1fbbvf82010b95b164d8b@mail.gmail.com>

I met a problem when browsing this site: www.tianya.cn.
It's a page with more than one frames(actually I am not sure whether I
can call the stuff I referred to a frame.)
the key-binding C-n(together with C-p) won't work. It puzzled me lot.

                                                                thanks for
your help
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From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 21:53:07 2009
From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (Deniz Dogan)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 06:53:07 +0100
Subject: [Conkeror] C-n problem
In-Reply-To: <27b583b70901112132v3fe1fbbvf82010b95b164d8b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <27b583b70901112132v3fe1fbbvf82010b95b164d8b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7b501d5c0901112153o69d6d3cew46c5803c073b4e9@mail.gmail.com>

2009/1/12 ?? <heart.of.sea.xp at gmail.com>:
> I met a problem when browsing this site: www.tianya.cn.
> It's a page with more than one frames(actually I am not sure whether I
> can call the stuff I referred to a frame.)
> the key-binding C-n(together with C-p) won't work. It puzzled me lot.
>
>                                                                 thanks for
> your help

I can't seem to reproduce this error. Could you give us the full URL
to the page where this happens?

Deniz

From bleader at ratonland.org  Sun Jan 11 23:40:44 2009
From: bleader at ratonland.org (bleader)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 08:40:44 +0100
Subject: [Conkeror] C-n problem
In-Reply-To: <27b583b70901112132v3fe1fbbvf82010b95b164d8b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <27b583b70901112132v3fe1fbbvf82010b95b164d8b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090112074044.GB13196@ratonland.org>

I guess the problem is that the wrong frame is focused, so use the focus
frame binding (; by default) and use the number of the fram that you
want, then scrolling should work fine.


On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 01:32:52PM +0800, ?? wrote:
>    I met a problem when browsing this site: [1]www.tianya.cn.
>    It's a page with more than one frames(actually I am not sure whether I
>    can call the stuff I referred to a frame.)
>    the key-binding C-n(together with C-p) won't work. It puzzled me lot.
> 
>                                                                    thanks for
>    your help
> 
> References
> 
>    Visible links
>    1. http://www.tianya.cn/

> _______________________________________________
> Conkeror mailing list
> Conkeror at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror


-- 
bleader

From waterlin1999 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 21:42:54 2009
From: waterlin1999 at gmail.com (Water Lin)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:42:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Conkeror]  How can I change the theme of Conkeror?
Message-ID: <21475554.post@talk.nabble.com>


I don't like the default theme of Conkeror. The while background makes me
uncomfortable.

I want to use black background or something else. 

How can I chagne the theme of Conkeror?

Is there any exiting theme to use?
-- 
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From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com  Fri Jan 16 01:18:41 2009
From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (Deniz Dogan)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:18:41 +0100
Subject: [Conkeror] How can I change the theme of Conkeror?
In-Reply-To: <21475554.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <21475554.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <7b501d5c0901160118q3dcdd2e1y1ebe34eb1e317ff5@mail.gmail.com>

2009/1/16 Water Lin <waterlin1999 at gmail.com>:
>
> I don't like the default theme of Conkeror. The while background makes me
> uncomfortable.
>
> I want to use black background or something else.
>
> How can I chagne the theme of Conkeror?
>
> Is there any exiting theme to use?

People are currently working on a theming system for Conkeror, and it
seems like it's already usable (read http://conkeror.org/Theming) but
I haven't tried it out myself. Also, I'm not sure you mean by "the"
white background? Which background are you referring to here? Maybe a
simple register_user_stylesheet is sufficient?

Other links that may be relevant:
* http://conkeror.org/ConkerorRC <- general "user" settings
* http://conkeror.org/StylingChrome <- register_user_stylesheet

Deniz

From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 17 12:23:43 2009
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:23:43 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] How can I change the theme of Conkeror?
References: <21475554.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <87bpu5r8a8.fsf@earthlink.net>

> I don't like the default theme of Conkeror. The while background makes me
> uncomfortable.
>
> I want to use black background or something else. 
>
> How can I chagne the theme of Conkeror?
>
> Is there any exiting theme to use?

If anybody wants to write a dark theme for conkeror's chrome, it would
be most welcome.  I would be happy to answer any questions about how the
theme system currently works.

Theming of content (web pages) is not yet supported, but I'm working on
it.

-- 
John Foerch



From schulte.eric at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 13:57:34 2009
From: schulte.eric at gmail.com (Eric Schulte)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:57:34 -0800
Subject: [Conkeror] tooltips on hover (title) in conkeror
Message-ID: <87wscs46r5.fsf@gmail.com>

Hi,

Does conkeror have any support for displaying the title tooltips on
hovering the mouse (or maybe cursor) over an html link?

Thanks -- Eric

From stelu at siancu.net  Mon Jan 19 15:13:22 2009
From: stelu at siancu.net (Stelian Iancu)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:13:22 +0100
Subject: [Conkeror] Bookmark management
Message-ID: <m2ocy2vqi5.fsf@siancu.net>

Hi all,

I have noticed that it is possible to bookmark a page using the
'bookmark' command. However, is there currently any possiblity to view
the saved bookmarks?

Thanks!

S.


From heart.of.sea.xp at gmail.com  Mon Jan 19 16:35:57 2009
From: heart.of.sea.xp at gmail.com (=?GB2312?B?uN/UtA==?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:35:57 +0800
Subject: [Conkeror] how to zoom the page out?
Message-ID: <27b583b70901191635r3f2bafeci5ee810718a731459@mail.gmail.com>

My computer has a rather small screen. And I do found someway to zoom in the
page(the same as firefox).
But how to make it bigger?
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From dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 21 02:48:16 2009
From: dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com (Daniel Clemente)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:48:16 +0100
Subject: [Conkeror] how to zoom the page out?
References: <27b583b70901191635r3f2bafeci5ee810718a731459@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <873afdgcjz.fsf@CPU107.opentrends.net>


Hi,
  there are many key bindings for that:

z i	zoom-in-text	
z m	zoom-in-text-more	
z z	zoom-reset-text	
z o	zoom-out-text	
z r	zoom-out-text-more	
z I	zoom-in-full	
z M	zoom-in-full-more	
z Z	zoom-reset-full	
z O	zoom-out-full	
z R	zoom-out-full-more	


I found them in: C-h b



"??" <heart.of.sea.xp at gmail.com> writes:
> My computer has a rather small screen. And I do found someway to zoom in the page(the same as firefox).
> But how to make it bigger?
>


From nick at servo.cc  Wed Jan 21 06:28:37 2009
From: nick at servo.cc (Nicholas A. Zigarovich)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:28:37 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] Bookmark management
In-Reply-To: <m2ocy2vqi5.fsf@siancu.net>
References: <m2ocy2vqi5.fsf@siancu.net>
Message-ID: <49773115.7080602@servo.cc>

You can view saved bookmarks via url completion. Press g to visit a 
page, type a character and the completer will present a list of matching 
webjumps and urls. The urls are your bookmarks and your history from the 
current session.

That's about all you can do with bookmarks right now. Bookmark 
management is in the "requested feature" queue. There's currently no way 
to delete, rename, etc.

Cheers,

- Nick

Stelian Iancu wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have noticed that it is possible to bookmark a page using the
> 'bookmark' command. However, is there currently any possiblity to view
> the saved bookmarks?
>
> Thanks!
>
> S.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Conkeror mailing list
> Conkeror at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror
>   


From nick at servo.cc  Wed Jan 21 06:32:30 2009
From: nick at servo.cc (Nicholas A. Zigarovich)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:32:30 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] tooltips on hover (title) in conkeror
In-Reply-To: <87wscs46r5.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87wscs46r5.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <497731FE.2060405@servo.cc>

Conkeror doesn't do tooltips. When you hover over a link, its address is 
printed to the minibuffer message area.

Cheers,

- Nick

Eric Schulte wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Does conkeror have any support for displaying the title tooltips on
> hovering the mouse (or maybe cursor) over an html link?
>
> Thanks -- Eric
> _______________________________________________
> Conkeror mailing list
> Conkeror at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror
>   


From nick at servo.cc  Wed Jan 21 07:02:51 2009
From: nick at servo.cc (Nicholas A. Zigarovich)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:02:51 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] Problems with all save commands
In-Reply-To: <d8b34d700901111349g45f3eff7vf49aec51d8ccfae3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d8b34d700901111349g45f3eff7vf49aec51d8ccfae3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4977391B.9040007@servo.cc>

Hi Alexander,

Are you still hitting this bug? If so I think it might be due to commit 
dbd66b8614a3f97700d1ca8b4a665a13038008df. To test this theory, go to 
your conkeror git tree. (I assume you haven't made changes in your tree. 
If you have, stash your work or make sure it is committed.)

First, checkout the commit just before dbd66b...

$ git checkout dbd66b8614a3f97700d1ca8b4a665a13038008df^1
<build and install conkeror, and see if you hit the bug>
$ make clean

If you still hit the bug, then it was introduced in an earlier commit. 
Get your tree back to master (see below) and let us know that you still 
hit the bug at  commit dbd66b...^1.

If you do not hit the bug, its a good version, so we should try with 
commit dbd66b...

$ git checkout dbd66b8614a3f97700d1ca8b4a665a13038008df
<build and install conkeror, and see if you hit the bug>
$ make clean

If you hit the bug using this commit, we've found the problem. Please 
let us know.

In all cases, you should get your tree back to master when you're done:

$ git checkout master

Cheers,

- Nick

Alexander D. Flurie wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I just updated to the latest version of conkeror for the first time in 
> about two months, and now any time I try any save commands (e.g. save, 
> save-page), I get the following exception: [Exception... "Component 
> returned failure code: 0x80520001 (NS_ERROR_FILE_UNRECOGNIZED_PATH) 
> [nsILocalFile.initWithPath]"  nsresult: "0x80520001 
> (NS_ERROR_FILE_UNRECOGNIZED_PATH)"  location: "JS frame :: 
> chrome://conkeror/content/utils.js :: make_file :: line 135"  data: 
> no]. I haven't been able to find similar problems in the archives. I'm 
> running Mac OS, and I followed the instructions for compiling to app 
> at http://conkeror.org/InstallationOSX using the latest XULrunner. I 
> also removed my conkeror profile information at ~/Library/Application 
> Support/conkeror/, which didn't seem to have any effect. Any idea what 
> might be causing this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> ADF
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Conkeror mailing list
> Conkeror at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror
>   

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From tassilo at member.fsf.org  Wed Jan 21 07:03:53 2009
From: tassilo at member.fsf.org (Tassilo Horn)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:03:53 +0100
Subject: [Conkeror] Bookmark management
References: <m2ocy2vqi5.fsf@siancu.net> <49773115.7080602@servo.cc>
Message-ID: <87ocy0vgyu.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de>

"Nicholas A. Zigarovich" <nick at servo.cc> writes:

> You can view saved bookmarks via url completion. Press g to visit a
> page, type a character and the completer will present a list of
> matching webjumps and urls. The urls are your bookmarks and your
> history from the current session.

But the wiki states that due to a mozilla bug history and bookmark
completion are exclusive right now.  (So bookmark completion should work
with the default setting.)

Gru?,
Tassilo
-- 
          "Emacs is not a development tool but a way of life."
                - David Kastrup in alt.religion.emacs -


From nick at servo.cc  Wed Jan 21 07:21:04 2009
From: nick at servo.cc (Nicholas A. Zigarovich)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:21:04 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] Problems with all save commands
In-Reply-To: <4977391B.9040007@servo.cc>
References: <d8b34d700901111349g45f3eff7vf49aec51d8ccfae3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4977391B.9040007@servo.cc>
Message-ID: <49773D60.205@servo.cc>

Ah, I see John has replied to you already. For some reason his message 
didn't make it to my Inbox.

Disregard my message and listen to him. ;)


Nicholas A. Zigarovich wrote:
> Hi Alexander,
>
> Are you still hitting this bug? If so I think it might be due to 
> commit dbd66b8614a3f97700d1ca8b4a665a13038008df. To test this theory, 
> go to your conkeror git tree. (I assume you haven't made changes in 
> your tree. If you have, stash your work or make sure it is committed.)
>
> First, checkout the commit just before dbd66b...
>
> $ git checkout dbd66b8614a3f97700d1ca8b4a665a13038008df^1
> <build and install conkeror, and see if you hit the bug>
> $ make clean
>
> If you still hit the bug, then it was introduced in an earlier commit. 
> Get your tree back to master (see below) and let us know that you 
> still hit the bug at  commit dbd66b...^1.
>
> If you do not hit the bug, its a good version, so we should try with 
> commit dbd66b...
>
> $ git checkout dbd66b8614a3f97700d1ca8b4a665a13038008df
> <build and install conkeror, and see if you hit the bug>
> $ make clean
>
> If you hit the bug using this commit, we've found the problem. Please 
> let us know.
>
> In all cases, you should get your tree back to master when you're done:
>
> $ git checkout master
>
> Cheers,
>
> - Nick
>
> Alexander D. Flurie wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I just updated to the latest version of conkeror for the first time 
>> in about two months, and now any time I try any save commands (e.g. 
>> save, save-page), I get the following exception: [Exception... 
>> "Component returned failure code: 0x80520001 
>> (NS_ERROR_FILE_UNRECOGNIZED_PATH) [nsILocalFile.initWithPath]"  
>> nsresult: "0x80520001 (NS_ERROR_FILE_UNRECOGNIZED_PATH)"  location: 
>> "JS frame :: chrome://conkeror/content/utils.js :: make_file :: line 
>> 135"  data: no]. I haven't been able to find similar problems in the 
>> archives. I'm running Mac OS, and I followed the instructions for 
>> compiling to app at http://conkeror.org/InstallationOSX using the 
>> latest XULrunner. I also removed my conkeror profile information at 
>> ~/Library/Application Support/conkeror/, which didn't seem to have 
>> any effect. Any idea what might be causing this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> ADF
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Conkeror mailing list
>> Conkeror at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror
>>   
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Conkeror mailing list
> Conkeror at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror
>   

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From heart.of.sea.xp at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 18:55:47 2009
From: heart.of.sea.xp at gmail.com (=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOWI4OxsoQg==?=)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:55:47 +0800
Subject: [Conkeror] how can I unfocus from a flash?
Message-ID: <27b583b70901231855w23d7497dgb6262a71a29957ec@mail.gmail.com>

When I was playing a flash game in a website, all the key-bindings
are disabled. The only thing I can control was the flash itself. I had to
click the blank space of the page with the mouse to unfocus from
the flash, which was quit uncomfortable since I'd already been very
lazy to use the mouse any more. Is there any way to make it?
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From bleader at ratonland.org  Sat Jan 24 01:29:40 2009
From: bleader at ratonland.org (bleader)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:29:40 +0100
Subject: [Conkeror] how can I unfocus from a flash?
In-Reply-To: <27b583b70901231855w23d7497dgb6262a71a29957ec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <27b583b70901231855w23d7497dgb6262a71a29957ec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090124092940.GA11721@ratonland.org>

Hi,

You have to bind the command "conkeror -f unfocus" in your window
manager and use this bind. Note that it seems that quite often, you'll
need to do this twice to unfocus from flash, I don't recall exactly why,
but I'm sure someone else will break it down for us later :)

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 10:55:47AM +0800, ?? wrote:
>    When I was playing a flash game in a website, all the key-bindings
>    are disabled. The only thing I can control was the flash itself. I had to
>    click the blank space of the page with the mouse to unfocus from
>    the flash, which was quit uncomfortable since I'd already been very
>    lazy to use the mouse any more. Is there any way to make it?

-- 
bleader
"je mange donc je suis"

From heart.of.sea.xp at gmail.com  Sun Jan 25 18:59:04 2009
From: heart.of.sea.xp at gmail.com (=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOWI4OxsoQg==?=)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:59:04 +0800
Subject: [Conkeror] about the last page.
Message-ID: <27b583b70901251859i4fe753e1od19448c0c5eeb3cb@mail.gmail.com>

I remember somebody talked about the behavior of
conkeror after the last buffer had been killed. And
someone said the whole application went off because
emacs do the same thing (I can't remember very exactly
words). In fact, I personally wish conkeror can stay alive when
there is no buffers open, because I always can't be sure about
how many pages I opened.
Since there was the emacs behave theory, I thought "well, emacs
do so." but today I suddenly found in fact emacs doesn't shut
down when you kill all the buffers. There is always one buffer-the
*scratch* buffer-that you cannot kill.
So I hope conkeror can do the same, or may be there's a way
that I can modify it myself to do so.

                                                     Thank you.
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From dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 26 01:28:55 2009
From: dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com (Daniel Clemente)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:28:55 +0100
Subject: [Conkeror] about the last page.
References: <27b583b70901251859i4fe753e1od19448c0c5eeb3cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87iqo2s9ew.fsf@CPU107.opentrends.net>

Hi,
  you can set this:

can_kill_last_buffer=false;

  and then Conkeror refuses to close the last buffer.

  You could also replace this last buffer with about:blank (I don't know how to do it), but for me just can_kill_last_buffer=false is good enough.

  Greetings



From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 04:06:19 2009
From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (Deniz Dogan)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:06:19 +0100
Subject: [Conkeror] about the last page.
In-Reply-To: <87iqo2s9ew.fsf@CPU107.opentrends.net>
References: <27b583b70901251859i4fe753e1od19448c0c5eeb3cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<87iqo2s9ew.fsf@CPU107.opentrends.net>
Message-ID: <7b501d5c0901260406ub272ba4x1308d3017be0afe8@mail.gmail.com>

2009/1/26 Daniel Clemente <dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com>:
> Hi,
>  you can set this:
>
> can_kill_last_buffer=false;
>
>  and then Conkeror refuses to close the last buffer.
>
>  You could also replace this last buffer with about:blank (I don't know how to do it), but for me just can_kill_last_buffer=false is good enough.
>
>  Greetings

Since we're already on the subject, is there anything which makes
Conkeror warn you when you're trying to shut it down, but there's more
than one buffer open?

Deniz

From nick at servo.cc  Mon Jan 26 06:56:01 2009
From: nick at servo.cc (Nicholas A. Zigarovich)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:56:01 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] about the last page.
In-Reply-To: <7b501d5c0901260406ub272ba4x1308d3017be0afe8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <27b583b70901251859i4fe753e1od19448c0c5eeb3cb@mail.gmail.com>	<87iqo2s9ew.fsf@CPU107.opentrends.net>
	<7b501d5c0901260406ub272ba4x1308d3017be0afe8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <497DCF01.1090001@servo.cc>

There is a "confirm-quit" interactive command which you can bind to C-x 
C-c (or whatever). This will always ask for confirmation, no matter how 
many buffers are open:

define_key(default_global_keymap, "C-x C-c", "confirm-quit");

Note that this command will eventually go away as it is not the right 
way to implement quit confirmation; but it is such a frequently 
requested feature that it is better than nothing for the moment.

Cheers,

- Nick

Deniz Dogan wrote:
> 2009/1/26 Daniel Clemente <dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com>:
>   
>> Hi,
>>  you can set this:
>>
>> can_kill_last_buffer=false;
>>
>>  and then Conkeror refuses to close the last buffer.
>>
>>  You could also replace this last buffer with about:blank (I don't know how to do it), but for me just can_kill_last_buffer=false is good enough.
>>
>>  Greetings
>>     
>
> Since we're already on the subject, is there anything which makes
> Conkeror warn you when you're trying to shut it down, but there's more
> than one buffer open?
>
> Deniz
> _______________________________________________
> Conkeror mailing list
> Conkeror at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror
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From jim at sdf-eu.org  Tue Jan 27 05:02:40 2009
From: jim at sdf-eu.org (Jim Burton)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:02:40 -0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Conkeror] Homepage key binding
Message-ID: <272de8580ceb6e1bea9815faeca3c839.squirrel@webmail.sdf-eu.org>

Hi, is there a keybinding to go to your homepage? I don't see it. So I
added a webjump

define_webjump("home", homepage);

How do I bind that to, say, M-x h?

Thanks,

-- 
Jim Burton


From jim at sdf-eu.org  Tue Jan 27 05:08:32 2009
From: jim at sdf-eu.org (Jim Burton)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:08:32 -0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Conkeror] Conkeror project status?
Message-ID: <9e629886f6aa1167a7c00839a1527aea.squirrel@webmail.sdf-eu.org>

Hi, I'm a very happy user of Conkeror for some 6 months or so, having got
fed up of reverting from w3m to Firefox for sites that use Javascript. I
hope no one takes it the wrong way if I ask what the feelings are on this
list about its future? How many developers are there and how quickly are
new features added? What is the best guess for how many users there are?

Regards,

-- 
Jim Burton


From nick at servo.cc  Tue Jan 27 08:26:30 2009
From: nick at servo.cc (Nicholas A. Zigarovich)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:26:30 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] Homepage key binding
In-Reply-To: <272de8580ceb6e1bea9815faeca3c839.squirrel@webmail.sdf-eu.org>
References: <272de8580ceb6e1bea9815faeca3c839.squirrel@webmail.sdf-eu.org>
Message-ID: <497F35B6.8080208@servo.cc>

I've just pushed a "go-home" interactive command. Adding the following 
to your rc:

define_key(content_buffer_normal_keymap, "h", "go-home");

...would bind the command to h.

Cheers,

- Nick

Jim Burton wrote:
> Hi, is there a keybinding to go to your homepage? I don't see it. So I
> added a webjump
>
> define_webjump("home", homepage);
>
> How do I bind that to, say, M-x h?
>
> Thanks,
>
>   


From jeremy at jeremyms.com  Tue Jan 27 14:27:00 2009
From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:27:00 -0800
Subject: [Conkeror] Conkeror project status?
In-Reply-To: <9e629886f6aa1167a7c00839a1527aea.squirrel@webmail.sdf-eu.org>
	(Jim Burton's message of "Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:08:32 +0000 (GMT)")
References: <9e629886f6aa1167a7c00839a1527aea.squirrel@webmail.sdf-eu.org>
Message-ID: <878wowjsgb.fsf@jeremyms.com>

Jim Burton <jim at sdf-eu.org> writes:

> Hi, I'm a very happy user of Conkeror for some 6 months or so, having got
> fed up of reverting from w3m to Firefox for sites that use Javascript. I
> hope no one takes it the wrong way if I ask what the feelings are on this
> list about its future? How many developers are there and how quickly are
> new features added? What is the best guess for how many users there
> are?

I can provide some assurance that Conkeror isn't going to stagnate
completely anytime soon, as I (and I believe the other developers as
well) depend on it for our web browsing needs and don't see there being
any comparable alternative browser coming out.  (If Google Chromium is
finally released for Linux and proves to be amenable for implementing a
Conkeror-like browser on top of it, then I (and perhaps some other
developers) might indeed be tempted to try to rewrite Conkeror for it,
as from what I understand (at least once it becomes stable), it should
provide a much faster, simpler, and more robust platform than Mozilla,
but that would just be another phase in the evolution of Conkeror.)

Development of Conkeror is somewhat slower now than it has been at
various points in the past, though there are a good number of reasonably
active developers (about 4-5), and the slowdown is in, part, I  think, because
many important features have already been implemented.

It is hard to estimate the number of users, since we only really know
about those that speak up on the mailing list or on the IRC channel.
(We don't have any download statistics at the moment.)

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

From abe at deuxchevaux.org  Tue Jan 27 15:23:39 2009
From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:23:39 +0100
Subject: [Conkeror] Conkeror project status?
In-Reply-To: <878wowjsgb.fsf@jeremyms.com>
References: <9e629886f6aa1167a7c00839a1527aea.squirrel@webmail.sdf-eu.org>
	<878wowjsgb.fsf@jeremyms.com>
Message-ID: <20090127232339.GA5399@sym.noone.org>

Hi,

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 02:27:00PM -0800, Jeremy Maitin-Shepard wrote:
> > Hi, I'm a very happy user of Conkeror for some 6 months or so, having got
> > fed up of reverting from w3m to Firefox for sites that use Javascript. I
> > hope no one takes it the wrong way if I ask what the feelings are on this
> > list about its future? How many developers are there and how quickly are
> > new features added? What is the best guess for how many users there
> > are?

There are statistics for at least the Debian package of conkeror and
the numbers are rising there in the average:

  http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=conkeror

> I can provide some assurance that Conkeror isn't going to stagnate
> completely anytime soon,

Ohloh sees the development quite positive:

  * Increasing year-over-year development activity
  * Large, active development team
  * Established codebase

(From https://www.ohloh.net/p/5294)

> as I (and I believe the other developers as well) depend on it for
> our web browsing needs and don't see there being any comparable
> alternative browser coming out.

There is the vimperator plugin for FF which is comparable with the old
conkeror while it was just a FF plugin. It's though of course using vi
keybindings instead of emacs keybindings and therefore the keybindings
are not "comparable". ;-)

> (If Google Chromium is finally released for Linux and proves to be
> amenable for implementing a Conkeror-like browser on top of it, then
> I (and perhaps some other developers) might indeed be tempted to try
> to rewrite Conkeror for it,

I would be really happy if this _won't_ happen. I don't want to put
any effort in a browser which invades privacy so much.

> Development of Conkeror is somewhat slower now than it has been at
> various points in the past, though there are a good number of
> reasonably active developers (about 4-5), and the slowdown is in,
> part, I think, because many important features have already been
> implemented.

IMHO it's stable and usable, but the lack of some not so important but
though everywhere else available features like e.g. a bookmark and
cookies manager surely hinders its spreading.

> It is hard to estimate the number of users, since we only really know
> about those that speak up on the mailing list or on the IRC channel.

See above for the Debian popularity contest stats.

BTW, I think it would be helpful to send a user agent string which
includes the name "Conkeror" somewhere instead of only "Mozilla/5.0
(X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008122010" so that
Conkeror gets noticed in site access statistics.

Looked into the code, but not sure where to do this. Probably in
modules/utils.js around line 580.

zzo38 suggested on IRC something like 

  session_pref("general.useragent.extra.conkeror", "Conkeror/"+conkeror_version);

		Regards, Axel
-- 
Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/

From jeremy at jeremyms.com  Tue Jan 27 15:55:47 2009
From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:55:47 -0800
Subject: [Conkeror] Conkeror project status?
In-Reply-To: <20090127232339.GA5399@sym.noone.org> (Axel Beckert's message of
	"Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:23:39 +0100")
References: <9e629886f6aa1167a7c00839a1527aea.squirrel@webmail.sdf-eu.org>
	<878wowjsgb.fsf@jeremyms.com> <20090127232339.GA5399@sym.noone.org>
Message-ID: <874ozkjocc.fsf@jeremyms.com>

Axel Beckert <abe at deuxchevaux.org> writes:

> Hi,
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 02:27:00PM -0800, Jeremy Maitin-Shepard wrote:
>> > Hi, I'm a very happy user of Conkeror for some 6 months or so, having got
>> > fed up of reverting from w3m to Firefox for sites that use Javascript. I
>> > hope no one takes it the wrong way if I ask what the feelings are on this
>> > list about its future? How many developers are there and how quickly are
>> > new features added? What is the best guess for how many users there
>> > are?

> There are statistics for at least the Debian package of conkeror and
> the numbers are rising there in the average:

>   http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=conkeror

>> I can provide some assurance that Conkeror isn't going to stagnate
>> completely anytime soon,

> Ohloh sees the development quite positive:

>   * Increasing year-over-year development activity
>   * Large, active development team
>   * Established codebase

> (From https://www.ohloh.net/p/5294)

>> as I (and I believe the other developers as well) depend on it for
>> our web browsing needs and don't see there being any comparable
>> alternative browser coming out.

> There is the vimperator plugin for FF which is comparable with the old
> conkeror while it was just a FF plugin. It's though of course using vi
> keybindings instead of emacs keybindings and therefore the keybindings
> are not "comparable". ;-)

Heh, yes of course.  Somehow I forgot about Vimperator.

>> (If Google Chromium is finally released for Linux and proves to be
>> amenable for implementing a Conkeror-like browser on top of it, then
>> I (and perhaps some other developers) might indeed be tempted to try
>> to rewrite Conkeror for it,

> I would be really happy if this _won't_ happen. I don't want to put
> any effort in a browser which invades privacy so much.

I can understand your desire to not leak personal information to Google,
and I agree with your sentiment.  I haven't actually looked at Chromimum
much, as it doesn't support Linux currently, but I imagine that any
privacy leaking issues are related to not-very-important features that
could easily be removed.  Chromium is free software, after all.

>> Development of Conkeror is somewhat slower now than it has been at
>> various points in the past, though there are a good number of
>> reasonably active developers (about 4-5), and the slowdown is in,
>> part, I think, because many important features have already been
>> implemented.

> IMHO it's stable and usable, but the lack of some not so important but
> though everywhere else available features like e.g. a bookmark and
> cookies manager surely hinders its spreading.

>> It is hard to estimate the number of users, since we only really know
>> about those that speak up on the mailing list or on the IRC channel.

> See above for the Debian popularity contest stats.

> BTW, I think it would be helpful to send a user agent string which
> includes the name "Conkeror" somewhere instead of only "Mozilla/5.0
> (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008122010" so that
> Conkeror gets noticed in site access statistics.

> Looked into the code, but not sure where to do this. Probably in
> modules/utils.js around line 580.

> zzo38 suggested on IRC something like 

>   session_pref("general.useragent.extra.conkeror",
> "Conkeror/"+conkeror_version);

session_pref should not be used in Conkeror's own code normally, as it
is intended for user customization use only.  It could be placed in
defaults/preferences/, though.  There is the issue, though, that many
people use Conkeror through git directly and that does not make it easy
to add such version numbers (which would presumably be just a date or
git commit hash).

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

From psykon at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 16:30:19 2009
From: psykon at gmail.com (Daniel Rebelo de Oliveira)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:30:19 +0000
Subject: [Conkeror] Scrollbars
Message-ID: <878wow5l2c.fsf@lappy.lan>

It is currently not possible, afaik, to both disable scrollbars AND have
the mouse wheel work.

Is this hard to fix? Is it being looked at? :)

Thank you


From eichin at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 21:08:07 2009
From: eichin at gmail.com (Mark Eichin)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:08:07 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] google gears, conkeror, gmail...
Message-ID: <f2e30b5f0901272108l6a946d5et2ed326f24c6eab6e@mail.gmail.com>

Now that gmail has offline support using google gears - has anyone
poked at making gears work with conkeror?

-- 
_Mark_ <eichin at thok.org> <eichin at gmail.com>

From dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 28 05:58:30 2009
From: dcl441-bugs at yahoo.com (Daniel Clemente)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:58:30 +0100
Subject: [Conkeror] Scrolling eye guide
References: <87d4kedkwo.fsf@notebook.home> <87zliif4bs.fsf@yahoo.com>
	<87y6xw2hjx.fsf@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <87hc3jsfax.fsf@CPU107.opentrends.net>

John J Foerch <jjfoerch at earthlink.net> writes:
>>   this is a very useful feature. Could it be included so that it is easy to turn it on?
>>
>
> Thanks for the reminder.  I had marked that message as important, but
> got involved in other things, so get to it yet.

  Any news on this?
  At least a bug report can be filed so that patches aren't lost in the mailing list.

Daniel



From nick at servo.cc  Wed Jan 28 09:05:06 2009
From: nick at servo.cc (Nicholas A. Zigarovich)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:05:06 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] Scrollbars
In-Reply-To: <878wow5l2c.fsf@lappy.lan>
References: <878wow5l2c.fsf@lappy.lan>
Message-ID: <49809042.2020200@servo.cc>

I don't think anyone is looking into this at the moment, however this is 
an open bug in conkeror's issue database, so someone will likely get to 
it eventually.

Cheers,

- Nick

Daniel Rebelo de Oliveira wrote:
> It is currently not possible, afaik, to both disable scrollbars AND have
> the mouse wheel work.
>
> Is this hard to fix? Is it being looked at? :)
>
> Thank you
>
> _______________________________________________
> Conkeror mailing list
> Conkeror at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror
>   


From nick at servo.cc  Wed Jan 28 10:12:22 2009
From: nick at servo.cc (Nicholas A. Zigarovich)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:12:22 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] google gears, conkeror, gmail...
In-Reply-To: <f2e30b5f0901272108l6a946d5et2ed326f24c6eab6e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f2e30b5f0901272108l6a946d5et2ed326f24c6eab6e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4980A006.3020905@servo.cc>

I haven't heard anyone mention it.

All I can say is that the Firefox extension fails to load in Conkeror.

- Nick


Mark Eichin wrote:
> Now that gmail has offline support using google gears - has anyone
> poked at making gears work with conkeror?
>
>   


From jeremy at jeremyms.com  Wed Jan 28 13:09:26 2009
From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:09:26 -0800
Subject: [Conkeror] google gears, conkeror, gmail...
In-Reply-To: <4980A006.3020905@servo.cc> (Nicholas A. Zigarovich's message of
	"Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:12:22 -0500")
References: <f2e30b5f0901272108l6a946d5et2ed326f24c6eab6e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4980A006.3020905@servo.cc>
Message-ID: <87iqnzp27t.fsf@jeremyms.com>

"Nicholas A. Zigarovich" <nick at servo.cc> writes:

> I haven't heard anyone mention it.
> All I can say is that the Firefox extension fails to load in Conkeror.

I would have to imagine that it should be fairly easy to get it working
in Conkeror, though, as it seems to have a purpose that is mostly
unrelated to the Firefox UI.

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

From eichin at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 15:07:01 2009
From: eichin at gmail.com (Mark Eichin)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:07:01 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] google gears, conkeror, gmail...
In-Reply-To: <87iqnzp27t.fsf@jeremyms.com>
References: <f2e30b5f0901272108l6a946d5et2ed326f24c6eab6e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4980A006.3020905@servo.cc> <87iqnzp27t.fsf@jeremyms.com>
Message-ID: <f2e30b5f0901281507m28420041ja677754633c72d20@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
<jeremy at jeremyms.com> wrote:
> "Nicholas A. Zigarovich" <nick at servo.cc> writes:
>
>> I haven't heard anyone mention it.
>> All I can say is that the Firefox extension fails to load in Conkeror.
>
> I would have to imagine that it should be fairly easy to get it working
> in Conkeror, though, as it seems to have a purpose that is mostly
> unrelated to the Firefox UI.

I did find one hit that described getting gears to work with xulrunner
apps, but it was windows specific and had a bunch of registry setting
adjustments and things like that, which also makes it seem possible
(but I don't really know the internals yet.)

From nick at servo.cc  Thu Jan 29 08:04:29 2009
From: nick at servo.cc (Nicholas A. Zigarovich)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:04:29 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] google gears, conkeror, gmail...
In-Reply-To: <f2e30b5f0901281507m28420041ja677754633c72d20@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f2e30b5f0901272108l6a946d5et2ed326f24c6eab6e@mail.gmail.com>	<4980A006.3020905@servo.cc>
	<87iqnzp27t.fsf@jeremyms.com>
	<f2e30b5f0901281507m28420041ja677754633c72d20@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4981D38D.7030806@servo.cc>

Mark Eichin wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
> <jeremy at jeremyms.com> wrote:
>   
>> "Nicholas A. Zigarovich" <nick at servo.cc> writes:
>>
>>     
>>> I haven't heard anyone mention it.
>>> All I can say is that the Firefox extension fails to load in Conkeror.
>>>       
>> I would have to imagine that it should be fairly easy to get it working
>> in Conkeror, though, as it seems to have a purpose that is mostly
>> unrelated to the Firefox UI.
>>     
>
> I did find one hit that described getting gears to work with xulrunner
> apps, but it was windows specific and had a bunch of registry setting
> adjustments and things like that, which also makes it seem possible
> (but I don't really know the internals yet.
I checked out the page you mentioned and all they really do is modify 
the extension's install.rdf to list webrunner as a supported 
application. I had thought this wasn't necessary when xulrunner's 
extension compatibility checking was disabled, but after listing 
Conkeror in Gears' install.rdf, the extension loaded without error.

I'd appreciate it if you (or anyone) could give it a test run. (It 
loads, but that doesn't necessarily mean it works.) Here is a version of 
the extension which should load in Conkeror:

http://servo.cc/gears-linux-opt-conkeror.xpi

To modify the extension yourself:

1. Download the extension.
2. Make a scratch directory and extract the xpi there. (It is a zip file.)
3 Add an entry for Conkeror to install.rdf. (See the patch attached to 
this message.)
4. Zip the contents of the scratch directory and name the file 
gears-linux-opt-conkeror.xpi.

Hope this helps,

- Nick





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From nick at servo.cc  Thu Jan 29 12:42:54 2009
From: nick at servo.cc (Nicholas A. Zigarovich)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:42:54 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] google gears, conkeror, gmail...
In-Reply-To: <4981D38D.7030806@servo.cc>
References: <f2e30b5f0901272108l6a946d5et2ed326f24c6eab6e@mail.gmail.com>	<4980A006.3020905@servo.cc>	<87iqnzp27t.fsf@jeremyms.com>	<f2e30b5f0901281507m28420041ja677754633c72d20@mail.gmail.com>
	<4981D38D.7030806@servo.cc>
Message-ID: <498214CE.1060000@servo.cc>

Nicholas A. Zigarovich wrote:
> Mark Eichin wrote:
>> I did find one hit that described getting gears to work with xulrunner
>> apps, but it was windows specific and had a bunch of registry setting
>> adjustments and things like that, which also makes it seem possible
>> (but I don't really know the internals yet.
> I checked out the page you mentioned and all they really do is modify 
> the extension's install.rdf to list webrunner as a supported 
> application. I had thought this wasn't necessary when xulrunner's 
> extension compatibility checking was disabled, but after listing 
> Conkeror in Gears' install.rdf, the extension loaded without error.
>
> I'd appreciate it if you (or anyone) could give it a test run. (It 
> loads, but that doesn't necessarily mean it works.) Here is a version 
> of the extension which should load in Conkeror:
>
> http://servo.cc/gears-linux-opt-conkeror.xpi
>
> To modify the extension yourself:
>
> 1. Download the extension.
> 2. Make a scratch directory and extract the xpi there. (It is a zip file.)
> 3 Add an entry for Conkeror to install.rdf. (See the patch attached to 
> this message.)
> 4. Zip the contents of the scratch directory and name the file 
> gears-linux-opt-conkeror.xpi.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> - Nick

I've added some notes about Google Gears to the wiki. Notably, there are 
some ideas about getting it working on Windows.

http://conkeror.org/Extensions#GoogleGears

Cheers,

- Nick

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From levy at msri.org  Thu Jan 29 12:50:21 2009
From: levy at msri.org (Silvio Levy)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:50:21 -0800
Subject: [Conkeror] how can I unfocus from a flash?
In-Reply-To: Your message of Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:29:40 +0100 
Message-ID: <20090129205021.78C12DFC2@xi.msri.org>


Folks, this group is awesome.  This question wasn't even mine, but it
fixed one of my all-time pet peeves (affecting not just flash games, 
but all flash interaction).

And for those who don't know how to "bind the command... and use this bind" 
(as I didn't until this morning) check out http://www.linux.com/feature/59494

Best wishes,

Silvio Levy

> >    When I was playing a flash game in a website, all the key-bindings
> >    are disabled. The only thing I can control was the flash itself.
>
> You have to bind the command "conkeror -f unfocus" in your window
> manager and use this bind. Note that it seems that quite often, you'll






From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 30 07:41:18 2009
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:41:18 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] Scrolling eye guide
References: <87d4kedkwo.fsf@notebook.home> <87zliif4bs.fsf@yahoo.com>
	<87y6xw2hjx.fsf@earthlink.net> <87hc3jsfax.fsf@CPU107.opentrends.net>
Message-ID: <87bpto7qe9.fsf@earthlink.net>

> John J Foerch <jjfoerch at earthlink.net> writes:
>>>   this is a very useful feature. Could it be included so that it is easy to turn it on?
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the reminder.  I had marked that message as important, but
>> got involved in other things, so get to it yet.
>
>   Any news on this?
>   At least a bug report can be filed so that patches aren't lost in the mailing list.
>
> Daniel


I only went so far as to create an issue on our bugtracker, but have not
had the time to take it further yet.

  http://bugs.conkeror.org/issue113

-- 
John Foerch


From jim at sdf-eu.org  Fri Jan 30 10:24:35 2009
From: jim at sdf-eu.org (Jim Burton)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:24:35 +0000
Subject: [Conkeror] google search results mode
Message-ID: <878wosy7mk.wl%jim@sdf-eu.org>

Hi, I have 

require("page-modes/google-search-results.js");

in my rc but on google results page typing numbers doesn't take me
to a new page of results, which is how I think this is meant to work?
I get "1 is undefined". What am I doing wrong?

Thanks,

Jim

From deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 10:38:55 2009
From: deniz.a.m.dogan at gmail.com (Deniz Dogan)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:38:55 +0100
Subject: [Conkeror] google search results mode
In-Reply-To: <878wosy7mk.wl%jim@sdf-eu.org>
References: <878wosy7mk.wl%jim@sdf-eu.org>
Message-ID: <7b501d5c0901301038m33cb2089r9bf116d00bdf53d8@mail.gmail.com>

2009/1/30 Jim Burton <jim at sdf-eu.org>:
> Hi, I have
>
> require("page-modes/google-search-results.js");
>
> in my rc but on google results page typing numbers doesn't take me
> to a new page of results, which is how I think this is meant to work?
> I get "1 is undefined". What am I doing wrong?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim

Hi, Jim

I may have misunderstood the point of the page mode, but I think
you're supposed to be using it with "follow", i.e. "f 1" for the first
search result, "f 2" for the second, etc.

Deniz

From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 30 11:09:34 2009
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:09:34 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] highlight colors for commands like follow dependent
	on font color
References: <87abacuosn.fsf@gmail.com> <87bpus3y37.fsf@earthlink.net>
	<871vvot7r6.fsf@gmail.com> <873ag43weg.fsf@earthlink.net>
	<87wsdgrre3.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8763jw7gr5.fsf@earthlink.net>

> John J Foerch <jjfoerch at earthlink.net> writes:
>
>>> John J Foerch <jjfoerch at earthlink.net> writes:
>>>> Can you give me an example of a site that exposes this problem?  There
>>>> are a couple of ways to go about solving it, but I would like to see the
>>>> problem in action to narrow down the possibilities.
>>>
>>> So the way that I ran into this issue is fairly contorted.
>>>
>>> I like dark backgrounds and light text (and they save laptop battery
>>> power, etc...), and I had some time to kill so I installed the Firefox
>>> stylish add-on [1], and then installed some views to make google default
>>> to a dark background and a light text [2].  It is on this tweaked google
>>> view that the problem really became apparent, but I assume that it would
>>> be an issue for any website which has a light link text color.
>>>
>>> Thanks -- Eric
>>>   
>>> [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2108
>>> [2] http://userstyles.org/styles/1693
>>
>> Can you take a screenshot?
>
> yup, here it is
> http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/l63zZVBtguIGmXkm3OKT8Q?feat=directlink

Hi Eric,

  An initial implementation is now in conkeror to assist in overriding
site css.  I'm sure that as we use it over time, we'll get ideas as to
how it can be made better.  To use it for the dark-themed google,
disable Stylish, put the dark-google.css stylesheet somewhere on your
computer, and put the following in your rc:

// re-style google
require('selectively-unstyle.js');

let (google = build_url_regex(
         $domain = "google",
         $allow_www = true,
         $tlds = ["com", "co.uk", "de", "dk", "es",
                  "fr", "it", "no", "se", "uk"])) {
    selectively_unstyle_alist.push([google, function (sheet) { sheet.disabled = true; }]);
};

register_agent_stylesheet("file:///path/to/dark-google.css");



  The first thing you might notice is that because we disabled Google's
stylesheet, some important style rules no longer exist, because they are
not in the dark-google sheet from Stylish.  The most straight-forward
way to solve this problem is probably to create a new stylesheet from
scratch, based on google's that is a complete replacement sheet.

  But you will also notice that white-on-white text is no longer a
problem, so I think we have made a little step of progress here.

-- 
John Foerch


From jim at sdf-eu.org  Fri Jan 30 11:17:04 2009
From: jim at sdf-eu.org (Jim Burton)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:17:04 +0000
Subject: [Conkeror] google search results mode
In-Reply-To: <7b501d5c0901301038m33cb2089r9bf116d00bdf53d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <878wosy7mk.wl%jim@sdf-eu.org>
	<7b501d5c0901301038m33cb2089r9bf116d00bdf53d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <877i4cy573.wl%jim@sdf-eu.org>

At Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:38:55 +0100,
Deniz Dogan wrote:
> 
> 2009/1/30 Jim Burton <jim at sdf-eu.org>:
> > Hi, I have
> >
> > require("page-modes/google-search-results.js");
> >
> > in my rc but on google results page typing numbers doesn't take me
> > to a new page of results, which is how I think this is meant to work?
> > I get "1 is undefined". What am I doing wrong?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim
> 
> Hi, Jim
> 
> I may have misunderstood the point of the page mode, but I think
> you're supposed to be using it with "follow", i.e. "f 1" for the first
> search result, "f 2" for the second, etc.
> 

Hi Deniz, "f 1" works as normal. I thought "1" was meant to be bound
to the link to the first page of search results, but like you I might
be misunderstanding it!

Jim 
> Deniz
> _______________________________________________
> Conkeror mailing list
> Conkeror at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror

From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 30 12:03:29 2009
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:03:29 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] google search results mode
References: <878wosy7mk.wl%jim@sdf-eu.org>
	<7b501d5c0901301038m33cb2089r9bf116d00bdf53d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<877i4cy573.wl%jim@sdf-eu.org>
Message-ID: <87zlh85zou.fsf@earthlink.net>

> At Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:38:55 +0100,
> Deniz Dogan wrote:
>> 
>> 2009/1/30 Jim Burton <jim at sdf-eu.org>:
>> > Hi, I have
>> >
>> > require("page-modes/google-search-results.js");
>> >
>> > in my rc but on google results page typing numbers doesn't take me
>> > to a new page of results, which is how I think this is meant to work?
>> > I get "1 is undefined". What am I doing wrong?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Jim
>> 
>> Hi, Jim
>> 
>> I may have misunderstood the point of the page mode, but I think
>> you're supposed to be using it with "follow", i.e. "f 1" for the first
>> search result, "f 2" for the second, etc.
>> 
>
> Hi Deniz, "f 1" works as normal. I thought "1" was meant to be bound
> to the link to the first page of search results, but like you I might
> be misunderstanding it!
>
> Jim 


Hi Jim,

  google_search_bind_number_shortcuts();

Cheers,
John Foerch


From jim at sdf-eu.org  Fri Jan 30 12:52:30 2009
From: jim at sdf-eu.org (Jim Burton)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:52:30 +0000
Subject: [Conkeror] google search results mode
In-Reply-To: <87zlh85zou.fsf@earthlink.net>
References: <878wosy7mk.wl%jim@sdf-eu.org>
	<7b501d5c0901301038m33cb2089r9bf116d00bdf53d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<877i4cy573.wl%jim@sdf-eu.org> <87zlh85zou.fsf@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8763jwy0s1.wl%jim@sdf-eu.org>

At Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:03:29 -0500,
John J Foerch wrote:
[...]
> 
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
>   google_search_bind_number_shortcuts();
> 

Thanks John -- I see that Denix was right and the nubers are bound to
the search result links. 

Jim
> Cheers,
> John Foerch
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Conkeror mailing list
> Conkeror at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror

From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 30 15:31:23 2009
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:31:23 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] highlight colors for commands like follow dependent
	on font color
References: <87abacuosn.fsf@gmail.com> <87bpus3y37.fsf@earthlink.net>
	<871vvot7r6.fsf@gmail.com> <873ag43weg.fsf@earthlink.net>
	<87wsdgrre3.fsf@gmail.com> <8763jw7gr5.fsf@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <87r62k5q2c.fsf@earthlink.net>

>   An initial implementation is now in conkeror to assist in overriding
> site css.  I'm sure that as we use it over time, we'll get ideas as to
> how it can be made better.  To use it for the dark-themed google,
> disable Stylish, put the dark-google.css stylesheet somewhere on your
> computer, and put the following in your rc:
>
> // re-style google
> require('selectively-unstyle.js');
>
> let (google = build_url_regex(
>          $domain = "google",
>          $allow_www = true,
>          $tlds = ["com", "co.uk", "de", "dk", "es",
>                   "fr", "it", "no", "se", "uk"])) {
>     selectively_unstyle_alist.push([google, function (sheet) { sheet.disabled = true; }]);
> };
>
> register_agent_stylesheet("file:///path/to/dark-google.css");
>
>
>
>   The first thing you might notice is that because we disabled Google's
> stylesheet, some important style rules no longer exist, because they are
> not in the dark-google sheet from Stylish.  The most straight-forward
> way to solve this problem is probably to create a new stylesheet from
> scratch, based on google's that is a complete replacement sheet.
>
>   But you will also notice that white-on-white text is no longer a
> problem, so I think we have made a little step of progress here.


Oops, I forgot to mention that it is necessary to remove the uses of
!important from the dark-google css.

--John


From technomancy at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 13:29:50 2009
From: technomancy at gmail.com (Phil Hagelberg)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:29:50 -0800
Subject: [Conkeror] Caps lock as control
Message-ID: <878wor9nap.fsf@hagelb.org>


Hey, I just updated to the latest version of Conkeror. It looks great,
but I noticed a pretty annoying bug: I have caps-lock mapped to control,
but when I press caps-lock+N (or any key) it receives the key stroke
control+shift+N, which isn't bound.

I've noticed recently that Emacs does this too, but Emacs is able to
translate C-S-n into C-n while Conkeror just complains that C-N is
undefined.

Any ideas?

-Phil

From jeremy at jeremyms.com  Sat Jan 31 14:03:31 2009
From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:03:31 -0800
Subject: [Conkeror] Caps lock as control
In-Reply-To: <878wor9nap.fsf@hagelb.org> (Phil Hagelberg's message of "Sat, 31
	Jan 2009 13:29:50 -0800")
References: <878wor9nap.fsf@hagelb.org>
Message-ID: <87ab97p1zg.fsf@jeremyms.com>

Phil Hagelberg <technomancy at gmail.com> writes:

> Hey, I just updated to the latest version of Conkeror. It looks great,
> but I noticed a pretty annoying bug: I have caps-lock mapped to control,
> but when I press caps-lock+N (or any key) it receives the key stroke
> control+shift+N, which isn't bound.

> I've noticed recently that Emacs does this too, but Emacs is able to
> translate C-S-n into C-n while Conkeror just complains that C-N is
> undefined.

> Any ideas?

I believe you have incorrectly set up your keyboard configuration.  It
seems that Caps_Lock functions as a Control key but also functions as a
Caps_Lock key.  Perhaps it is present in both the control and lock
modifier groups (assuming you have X).

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 31 14:06:30 2009
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:06:30 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] Caps lock as control
References: <878wor9nap.fsf@hagelb.org>
Message-ID: <87ljsr5dw9.fsf@earthlink.net>

> Hey, I just updated to the latest version of Conkeror. It looks great,
> but I noticed a pretty annoying bug: I have caps-lock mapped to control,
> but when I press caps-lock+N (or any key) it receives the key stroke
> control+shift+N, which isn't bound.
>
> I've noticed recently that Emacs does this too, but Emacs is able to
> translate C-S-n into C-n while Conkeror just complains that C-N is
> undefined.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> -Phil

Hi Phil,

  Perhaps you don't have the Remove Lock command in your xmodmap config.
Here is mine:

xmodmap -e "remove Lock = Caps_Lock"
xmodmap -e "keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L"
xmodmap -e "add Control = Control_L"

-- 
John Foerch