From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Fri May  2 02:20:23 2008
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (A.W.)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 04:20:23 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] save_image?
Message-ID: <613b861a0805020220x552e9bf8g121ad44b959ca8dc@mail.gmail.com>

I just woke up and went to enter a URL and the command area was open
and I swear it said that, but I can't find any documentation related
to it.
I've just been pulling up the rat and dragging somewhere... Meeces to
pieces and all that.

Was I dreaming, or is this real?

From bleader at ratonland.org  Fri May  2 05:10:16 2008
From: bleader at ratonland.org (bleader at ratonland.org)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 14:10:16 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Conkeror] save_image?
In-Reply-To: <613b861a0805020220x552e9bf8g121ad44b959ca8dc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <613b861a0805020220x552e9bf8g121ad44b959ca8dc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <34264.81.149.1.146.1209730216.squirrel@ratonland.org>

You url wouldn't happen to be starting with something like 'is'?
because 'i' will switch to image mode and 's' will save, then what you
typed in was used to filter the possibilities and asked to save one image.

I think that's what happened at least :)

> I just woke up and went to enter a URL and the command area was open
> and I swear it said that, but I can't find any documentation related
> to it.
> I've just been pulling up the rat and dragging somewhere... Meeces to
> pieces and all that.
>
> Was I dreaming, or is this real?



From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Fri May  2 20:05:13 2008
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (A.W.)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:05:13 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] save_image?
Message-ID: <613b861a0805022005h3b0af6a6pd4a0f36435ebfae6@mail.gmail.com>

Well, the URL doesn't start with that, but neither did it start with
any of the first five tries I made =_=;
At last I can save images! I'm bad at reading docs, and aware of that, btw
In short: thanks.

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> Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 04:20:23 -0500
> Subject: [Conkeror] save_image?
> I just woke up and went to enter a URL and the command area was open
>  and I swear it said that, but I can't find any documentation related
>  to it.
>  I've just been pulling up the rat and dragging somewhere... Meeces to
>  pieces and all that.
>
>  Was I dreaming, or is this real?
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
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> To: conkeror at mozdev.org
> Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 14:10:16 +0200 (CEST)
> Subject: Re: [Conkeror] save_image?
> You url wouldn't happen to be starting with something like 'is'?
>  because 'i' will switch to image mode and 's' will save, then what you
>  typed in was used to filter the possibilities and asked to save one image.
>
>  I think that's what happened at least :)
>
>  > I just woke up and went to enter a URL and the command area was open
>  > and I swear it said that, but I can't find any documentation related
>  > to it.
>  > I've just been pulling up the rat and dragging somewhere... Meeces to
>  > pieces and all that.
>  >
>  > Was I dreaming, or is this real?
>
>
>
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From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Sat May  3 05:09:09 2008
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (A.W.)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 07:09:09 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] How does one go about getting custom bindings going?
Message-ID: <613b861a0805030509g6cbb42bfobdc1d765c874fd22@mail.gmail.com>

Specifically I'm trying to get M-f1 through M-f12 to open specific webpages.
I have defined working functions for them in my conkerorrc(based on
the 'tips' function for binding to a key, but without the key, as it
didn't seem to take "M-f1" as an option.

I seem to be doing the binding wrong, not surprising as I know no javascript.

I put this in the file today, and I finally got the bugs out that were
breaking the whole rc:

/**
 * Setting blag functions, ending RSS reader forever.
 */
create_link_shortcut("open-lse-pipe",
"http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=3PHwctj52xGg02vB6kjTQA",
"");
create_link_shortcut("open-ubuntuplanet", "http://planet.ubuntu.com", "");
create_link_shortcut("open-kdeplanet", "http://planetkde.org", "");
create_link_shortcut("open-gizmodo", "http://www.gizmodo.com", "");
create_link_shortcut("open-engadget", "http://www.engadget.com", "");
create_link_shortcut("open-dansface", "http://droe82.stumbleupn.com", "");
create_link_shortcut("open-gaijinsmash", "http://www.gaijinsmash.net", "");
create_link_shortcut("open-xkcd", "http://www.xkcd.net", "");
create_link_shortcut("open-questionablecontent",
"http://www.questionablecontent.net", "");
create_link_shortcut("open-fanboys", "http://www.fanboys-online.com", "");
create_link_shortcut("open-xkcdblag", "http://blag.xkcd.com", "");
create_link_shortcut("open-awesomenews",
"http://awesome.naquadah.org/news", "");
/**
 * WORK?? Is this line a waste of time? What am I doing?
 */

require("bindings/default/global.js");

/**
 * Trying to make all those blags work with M-fx, failing.
 */
define_keymap("default_blag_keymap", $parent = default_base_keymap);

define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f1", "open-lse-pipe");
define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f2", "open-ubuntuplanet");
define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f3", "open-kdeplanet");
define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f4", "open-gizmodo");
define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f5", "open-engadget");
define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f6", "open-dansface");
define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f7", "open-gaijinsmash");
define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f8", "open-xkcd");
define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f9", "open-questionablecontent");
define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f10", "open-fanboys");
define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f11", "open-xkcdblag");
define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f12", "open-awesomenews");

From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Sun May  4 12:57:20 2008
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 15:57:20 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] How does one go about getting custom bindings going?
References: <613b861a0805030509g6cbb42bfobdc1d765c874fd22@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87wsm9n8pr.fsf@earthlink.net>

A.W. <gzeusmants at gmail.com> writes:
> Specifically I'm trying to get M-f1 through M-f12 to open specific webpages.
> I have defined working functions for them in my conkerorrc(based on
> the 'tips' function for binding to a key, but without the key, as it
> didn't seem to take "M-f1" as an option.
>
> I seem to be doing the binding wrong, not surprising as I know no javascript.
>
> I put this in the file today, and I finally got the bugs out that were
> breaking the whole rc:
>
> /**
>  * Setting blag functions, ending RSS reader forever.
>  */
> create_link_shortcut("open-lse-pipe",
> "http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=3PHwctj52xGg02vB6kjTQA",
> "");
> create_link_shortcut("open-ubuntuplanet", "http://planet.ubuntu.com", "");
> create_link_shortcut("open-kdeplanet", "http://planetkde.org", "");
> create_link_shortcut("open-gizmodo", "http://www.gizmodo.com", "");
> create_link_shortcut("open-engadget", "http://www.engadget.com", "");
> create_link_shortcut("open-dansface", "http://droe82.stumbleupn.com", "");
> create_link_shortcut("open-gaijinsmash", "http://www.gaijinsmash.net", "");
> create_link_shortcut("open-xkcd", "http://www.xkcd.net", "");
> create_link_shortcut("open-questionablecontent",
> "http://www.questionablecontent.net", "");
> create_link_shortcut("open-fanboys", "http://www.fanboys-online.com", "");
> create_link_shortcut("open-xkcdblag", "http://blag.xkcd.com", "");
> create_link_shortcut("open-awesomenews",
> "http://awesome.naquadah.org/news", "");
> /**
>  * WORK?? Is this line a waste of time? What am I doing?
>  */
>
> require("bindings/default/global.js");
>
> /**
>  * Trying to make all those blags work with M-fx, failing.
>  */
> define_keymap("default_blag_keymap", $parent = default_base_keymap);
>
> define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f1", "open-lse-pipe");
> define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f2", "open-ubuntuplanet");
> define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f3", "open-kdeplanet");
> define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f4", "open-gizmodo");
> define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f5", "open-engadget");
> define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f6", "open-dansface");
> define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f7", "open-gaijinsmash");
> define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f8", "open-xkcd");
> define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f9", "open-questionablecontent");
> define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f10", "open-fanboys");
> define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f11", "open-xkcdblag");
> define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f12", "open-awesomenews");

It's simpler than all that...

 create_link_shortcut("open-engadget", "http://www.engadget.com", "");
 define_key (content_buffer_normal_keymap, "M-f1", "open-engadget");

-- 
John Foerch


From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Mon May  5 18:18:56 2008
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (A.W.)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:18:56 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] Conkeror Digest, Vol 41, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6.1210014007.51961.conkeror@mozdev.org>
References: <mailman.6.1210014007.51961.conkeror@mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <613b861a0805051818qcd10afeg4b3ff894dc7edf15@mail.gmail.com>

I love it when I'm over thinking things rather than under...

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>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: John J Foerch <jjfoerch at earthlink.net>
> To: conkeror at mozdev.org
> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 15:57:20 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Conkeror] How does one go about getting custom bindings going?
> A.W. <gzeusmants at gmail.com> writes:
>  > Specifically I'm trying to get M-f1 through M-f12 to open specific webpages.
>  > I have defined working functions for them in my conkerorrc(based on
>  > the 'tips' function for binding to a key, but without the key, as it
>  > didn't seem to take "M-f1" as an option.
>  >
>  > I seem to be doing the binding wrong, not surprising as I know no javascript.
>  >
>  > I put this in the file today, and I finally got the bugs out that were
>  > breaking the whole rc:
>  >
>  > /**
>  >  * Setting blag functions, ending RSS reader forever.
>  >  */
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-lse-pipe",
>  > "http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=3PHwctj52xGg02vB6kjTQA",
>  > "");
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-ubuntuplanet", "http://planet.ubuntu.com", "");
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-kdeplanet", "http://planetkde.org", "");
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-gizmodo", "http://www.gizmodo.com", "");
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-engadget", "http://www.engadget.com", "");
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-dansface", "http://droe82.stumbleupn.com", "");
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-gaijinsmash", "http://www.gaijinsmash.net", "");
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-xkcd", "http://www.xkcd.net", "");
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-questionablecontent",
>  > "http://www.questionablecontent.net", "");
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-fanboys", "http://www.fanboys-online.com", "");
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-xkcdblag", "http://blag.xkcd.com", "");
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-awesomenews",
>  > "http://awesome.naquadah.org/news", "");
>  > /**
>  >  * WORK?? Is this line a waste of time? What am I doing?
>  >  */
>  >
>  > require("bindings/default/global.js");
>  >
>  > /**
>  >  * Trying to make all those blags work with M-fx, failing.
>  >  */
>  > define_keymap("default_blag_keymap", $parent = default_base_keymap);
>  >
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f1", "open-lse-pipe");
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f2", "open-ubuntuplanet");
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f3", "open-kdeplanet");
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f4", "open-gizmodo");
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f5", "open-engadget");
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f6", "open-dansface");
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f7", "open-gaijinsmash");
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f8", "open-xkcd");
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f9", "open-questionablecontent");
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f10", "open-fanboys");
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f11", "open-xkcdblag");
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f12", "open-awesomenews");
>
>  It's simpler than all that...
>
>   create_link_shortcut("open-engadget", "http://www.engadget.com", "");
>   define_key (content_buffer_normal_keymap, "M-f1", "open-engadget");
>
>  --
>  John Foerch
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>  Conkeror at mozdev.org
>  https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror
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From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Mon May  5 18:54:24 2008
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (A.W.)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:54:24 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] How does one go about getting custom bindings going?
Message-ID: <613b861a0805051854q9a13ad1j509fe38ba604e9a0@mail.gmail.com>

That's got 'er.
Thanks much.
Apparently I sent a previous reply?
Hamm's ale working it's way through me, I meant to save it as a draft.

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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: John J Foerch <jjfoerch at earthlink.net>
> To: conkeror at mozdev.org
> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 15:57:20 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Conkeror] How does one go about getting custom bindings going?
> A.W. <gzeusmants at gmail.com> writes:
>  > Specifically I'm trying to get M-f1 through M-f12 to open specific webpages.
>  > I have defined working functions for them in my conkerorrc(based on
>  > the 'tips' function for binding to a key, but without the key, as it
>  > didn't seem to take "M-f1" as an option.
>  >
>  > I seem to be doing the binding wrong, not surprising as I know no javascript.
>  >
>  > I put this in the file today, and I finally got the bugs out that were
>  > breaking the whole rc:
>  >
>  > /**
>  >  * Setting blag functions, ending RSS reader forever.
>  >  */
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-lse-pipe",
>  > "http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=3PHwctj52xGg02vB6kjTQA",
>  > "");
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-ubuntuplanet", "http://planet.ubuntu.com", "");
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-kdeplanet", "http://planetkde.org", "");
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-gizmodo", "http://www.gizmodo.com", "");
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-engadget", "http://www.engadget.com", "");
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-dansface", "http://droe82.stumbleupn.com", "");
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-gaijinsmash", "http://www.gaijinsmash.net", "");
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-xkcd", "http://www.xkcd.net", "");
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-questionablecontent",
>  > "http://www.questionablecontent.net", "");
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-fanboys", "http://www.fanboys-online.com", "");
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-xkcdblag", "http://blag.xkcd.com", "");
>  > create_link_shortcut("open-awesomenews",
>  > "http://awesome.naquadah.org/news", "");
>  > /**
>  >  * WORK?? Is this line a waste of time? What am I doing?
>  >  */
>  >
>  > require("bindings/default/global.js");
>  >
>  > /**
>  >  * Trying to make all those blags work with M-fx, failing.
>  >  */
>  > define_keymap("default_blag_keymap", $parent = default_base_keymap);
>  >
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f1", "open-lse-pipe");
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f2", "open-ubuntuplanet");
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f3", "open-kdeplanet");
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f4", "open-gizmodo");
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f5", "open-engadget");
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f6", "open-dansface");
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f7", "open-gaijinsmash");
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f8", "open-xkcd");
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f9", "open-questionablecontent");
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f10", "open-fanboys");
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f11", "open-xkcdblag");
>  > define_key(default_blag_keymap, "M-f12", "open-awesomenews");
>
>  It's simpler than all that...
>
>   create_link_shortcut("open-engadget", "http://www.engadget.com", "");
>   define_key (content_buffer_normal_keymap, "M-f1", "open-engadget");
>
>  --
>  John Foerch
>
>
>
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>

From billclem at gmail.com  Thu May  8 21:41:58 2008
From: billclem at gmail.com (Bill Clementson)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 21:41:58 -0700
Subject: [Conkeror] Gmail mode - why do you need a TAB?
In-Reply-To: <8757cb490805081823y38ec75c7s3d569645245e02a8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8757cb490805081823y38ec75c7s3d569645245e02a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8757cb490805082141x1ffb9a2aya6986699cb0a725c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

In gmail-mode, why is it necessary to press TAB before any gmail keys
are recognized? For example, if I press "x", nothing happens; however,
if I press TAB and then "x", the first email message will be "ticked".

Thanks,
Bill Clementson

From jeremy at jeremyms.com  Fri May  9 00:55:02 2008
From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 03:55:02 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] Gmail mode - why do you need a TAB?
In-Reply-To: <8757cb490805082141x1ffb9a2aya6986699cb0a725c@mail.gmail.com>
	(Bill Clementson's message of "Thu, 8 May 2008 21:41:58 -0700")
References: <8757cb490805081823y38ec75c7s3d569645245e02a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<8757cb490805082141x1ffb9a2aya6986699cb0a725c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87d4nvzzc9.fsf@jeremyms.com>

"Bill Clementson" <billclem at gmail.com> writes:

> Hi all,
> In gmail-mode, why is it necessary to press TAB before any gmail keys
> are recognized? For example, if I press "x", nothing happens; however,
> if I press TAB and then "x", the first email message will be "ticked".

This may actually a problem with gmail itself: it may be that the keys
are all bound in some iframe, rather than the top-level frame, and
pressing tab serves to set focus to that iframe.  There is some code in
gmail mode designed specifically to ensure that focus is set up
correctly automatically, but it might not be working for you, or the
site might have changed, or there might be some other problem.  I'll see
about looking into a little bit.

A better solution may be to have all of the pass-through keys
automatically set focus correctly in addition to letting the key pass
through.

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

From billclem at gmail.com  Fri May  9 07:40:25 2008
From: billclem at gmail.com (Bill Clementson)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 07:40:25 -0700
Subject: [Conkeror] Gmail mode - why do you need a TAB?
In-Reply-To: <87d4nvzzc9.fsf@jeremyms.com>
References: <8757cb490805081823y38ec75c7s3d569645245e02a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<8757cb490805082141x1ffb9a2aya6986699cb0a725c@mail.gmail.com>
	<87d4nvzzc9.fsf@jeremyms.com>
Message-ID: <8757cb490805090740y4a96ede0x4768d3e51cd5fff6@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 12:55 AM, Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
<jeremy at jeremyms.com> wrote:
> "Bill Clementson" <billclem at gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Hi all,
>> In gmail-mode, why is it necessary to press TAB before any gmail keys
>> are recognized? For example, if I press "x", nothing happens; however,
>> if I press TAB and then "x", the first email message will be "ticked".
>
> This may actually a problem with gmail itself: it may be that the keys
> are all bound in some iframe, rather than the top-level frame, and
> pressing tab serves to set focus to that iframe.  There is some code in
> gmail mode designed specifically to ensure that focus is set up
> correctly automatically, but it might not be working for you, or the
> site might have changed, or there might be some other problem.  I'll see
> about looking into a little bit.

Thanks.

> A better solution may be to have all of the pass-through keys
> automatically set focus correctly in addition to letting the key pass
> through.

Yes, that would be much better.

--
Bill Clementson

From brian at gweep.ca  Fri May  9 09:35:56 2008
From: brian at gweep.ca (Brian Edmonds)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 09:35:56 -0700
Subject: [Conkeror] Gmail mode - why do you need a TAB?
In-Reply-To: <87d4nvzzc9.fsf@jeremyms.com>
References: <8757cb490805081823y38ec75c7s3d569645245e02a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<8757cb490805082141x1ffb9a2aya6986699cb0a725c@mail.gmail.com>
	<87d4nvzzc9.fsf@jeremyms.com>
Message-ID: <413a3a380805090935h66bdf716k3c4098c64ce9d0d7@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 12:55 AM, Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
<jeremy at jeremyms.com> wrote:
> This may actually a problem with gmail itself: it may be that the keys
> are all bound in some iframe, rather than the top-level frame, and
> pressing tab serves to set focus to that iframe.

Yes, this appears to be the case.  Further, it appears to be the case
that the autofocusing code in the gmail page mode is focusing the
wrong iframe.  I've modified gmail_focus_primary_frame locally to
focus frame[3], while what's in git focuses frame[2].  This fixed all
of my focus problems, apart from occasional loss of focus, and then
ESC fixes it.

Brian.

From tassilo at member.fsf.org  Mon May 12 03:19:53 2008
From: tassilo at member.fsf.org (Tassilo Horn)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:19:53 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] Shouldn't external-editor invoke VISUAL instead of EDITOR
Message-ID: <87ej877rjq.fsf@baldur.tsdh.de>

Hi,

isn't EDITOR usually meant to be set to a command line editor and VISUAL
to be some graphical editor?  For example, I have

   EDITOR="emacsclient -t" and
   VISUAL="emacsclient -c"

so C-i in a text area will open a emacsclient in the shell conkeror was
started.  Usually I start it with some launcher app, so I even won't see
it.

So at least I'd suggest to let VISUAL take preference over EDITOR if
that's defined.

Bye,
Tassilo


From jeremy at jeremyms.com  Tue May 13 22:06:17 2008
From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 01:06:17 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] Shouldn't external-editor invoke VISUAL instead of
	EDITOR
In-Reply-To: <87ej877rjq.fsf@baldur.tsdh.de> (Tassilo Horn's message of "Mon, 
	12 May 2008 12:19:53 +0200")
References: <87ej877rjq.fsf@baldur.tsdh.de>
Message-ID: <874p91xynq.fsf@jeremyms.com>

Tassilo Horn <tassilo at member.fsf.org> writes:

> Hi,
> isn't EDITOR usually meant to be set to a command line editor and VISUAL
> to be some graphical editor?  For example, I have

>    EDITOR="emacsclient -t" and
>    VISUAL="emacsclient -c"

> so C-i in a text area will open a emacsclient in the shell conkeror was
> started.  Usually I start it with some launcher app, so I even won't see
> it.

> So at least I'd suggest to let VISUAL take preference over EDITOR if
> that's defined.

I wasn't aware of VISUAL.  Thanks for letting me know.  I'll make that
change.

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

From tassilo at member.fsf.org  Wed May 14 01:10:30 2008
From: tassilo at member.fsf.org (Tassilo Horn)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 10:10:30 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] Shouldn't external-editor invoke VISUAL instead of
	EDITOR
References: <87ej877rjq.fsf@baldur.tsdh.de> <874p91xynq.fsf@jeremyms.com>
Message-ID: <87abitgvbd.fsf@baldur.tsdh.de>

Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <jeremy at jeremyms.com> writes:

Hi Jeremy,

>> So at least I'd suggest to let VISUAL take preference over EDITOR if
>> that's defined.
>
> I wasn't aware of VISUAL.  Thanks for letting me know.  I'll make that
> change.

Thanks a lot,
Tassilo


From levy at msri.org  Sat May 17 23:38:02 2008
From: levy at msri.org (Silvio Levy)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 23:38:02 -0700
Subject: [Conkeror] conkeror broken
Message-ID: <20080518063802.9C94838D8C@ub.msri.org>


Dear developers

I was trying to figure out why the function save-page-as-text, when
prompting for a filename, does not understand a carriage return at the
end of the filename (and therefore never saves the file).

Not getting anywhere, I then had the bright idea of updating to the
current version  with 'git fetch; git merge origin'.  Now
conkeror gives an error at startup (see after my signature).
For good measure I removed the conkeror tree and reinstalled with 
'git clone git://repo.or.cz/conkeror.git'; I also zeroed my conkerorrc
directory. But the error is still the same.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Silvio


ub:; /usr/local/src/conkeror/conkeror
Error initializing.
NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE: Component returned failure code:
0x80570016 (NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE) [nsIJSCID.getService]
null()@chrome://conkeror-modules/content/download-manager.js:9
ReferenceError: define_browser_object_class is not defined
chrome://conkeror-modules/content/media.js:79
@chrome://conkeror-modules/content/media.js:79
ReferenceError: load_rc is not defined
Console error: [JavaScript Warning: "reference to undefined property
conkeror[x]" {file: "chrome://conkeror-modules/content/buffer.js" line: 155}]
  Category: chrome javascript

From con at lonely-star.org  Sun May 18 08:53:41 2008
From: con at lonely-star.org (Nathan Huesken)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:53:41 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] Use firefox bookmarks in conkeror
Message-ID: <20080518155341.GA16223@SamZwo>

Hi,

Is it somehow possible to use my existing firefox 3 bookmarks in conkeror, or even better, syncronize them somehow?

Thanks!
Nathan

From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Sun May 18 15:09:08 2008
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (A.W.)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:09:08 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] Any way to resent flash/plugins in general without
	restarting Conkeror?
Message-ID: <613b861a0805181509p69536c38h7167313a076a9d7@mail.gmail.com>

At least once every 3 days flash starts to eat itself alive,
especially in the sound department.
Glitching, gargling, delays...

If there's a way to just sort of... trick flash into thinking the
browser's closed and re-opened, and just re-attach it? Or is this
something too fundamentall to XULRunner?

From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Mon May 19 10:54:24 2008
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 13:54:24 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] Use firefox bookmarks in conkeror
References: <20080518155341.GA16223@SamZwo>
Message-ID: <87r6byji27.fsf@earthlink.net>

Nathan Huesken <con at lonely-star.org> writes:
> Hi,
>
> Is it somehow possible to use my existing firefox 3 bookmarks in conkeror, or even better, syncronize them somehow?
>
> Thanks!
> Nathan

Your bookmarks are stored in a sqlite file in your profile.  You can
copy your firefox bookmarks file over your conkeror one.  We don't have
a very advanced bookmarks interface yet.

-- 
John Foerch


From aditya_siram at hotmail.com  Wed May 21 12:12:59 2008
From: aditya_siram at hotmail.com (Aditya Siram)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 14:12:59 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] Installing Flash
Message-ID: <BLU108-W37E7A76EF1BE955C792B9AF4C70@phx.gbl>


Hi all,
I am trying to view Flash enabled websites like Youtube. They work in Firefox but in Conkeror I get a box asking me to install flash. I am using FIrefox v. 2. 

Thanks ...
Deech 
_________________________________________________________________
Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety.
http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_family_safety_052008

From aditya_siram at hotmail.com  Wed May 21 13:59:07 2008
From: aditya_siram at hotmail.com (Aditya Siram)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:59:07 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] [SOLVED] Installing Flash
In-Reply-To: <322f9de90805211322p74433476w33fdfeac4c10a8a4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU108-W37E7A76EF1BE955C792B9AF4C70@phx.gbl>
	<322f9de90805211322p74433476w33fdfeac4c10a8a4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU108-W4473E58D73DE4AE5D8F79DF4C70@phx.gbl>


Per  http://conkeror.org/CommonProblems Conkeror looks for plugins in two places:
- conkeror/plugins
- ~/.mozilla/plugins

I linked ~/.mozilla/plugins to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins. Problem solved!

Deech

----------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:22:53 -0400
> From: wcfarrington at gmail.com
> To: aditya_siram at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Conkeror] Installing Flash
> 
> You should be able to set MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH to /usr/lib/firefox
> 
> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Aditya Siram  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I am trying to view Flash enabled websites like Youtube. They work in Firefox but in Conkeror I get a box asking me to install flash. I am using FIrefox v. 2.
>>
>> Thanks ...
>> Deech
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety.
>> http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_family_safety_052008
>> _______________________________________________
>> Conkeror mailing list
>> Conkeror at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror
>>

_________________________________________________________________
Change the world with e-mail. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft.
http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ChangeWorld

From aditya_siram at hotmail.com  Wed May 21 14:01:07 2008
From: aditya_siram at hotmail.com (Aditya Siram)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:01:07 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] URL & Suggestion Completion
Message-ID: <BLU108-W59F3E92DD98BF43C4CAC65F4C70@phx.gbl>


Hi all,
I can't seem to complete URL's with TAB. Is there some other key? Also when a suggestion pops up in a form, highlighting it and TAB doesn't work. 

Deech
_________________________________________________________________
Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft.
http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount

From nelhage at MIT.EDU  Wed May 21 14:12:00 2008
From: nelhage at MIT.EDU (Nelson Elhage)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:12:00 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] URL & Suggestion Completion
In-Reply-To: <BLU108-W59F3E92DD98BF43C4CAC65F4C70@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU108-W59F3E92DD98BF43C4CAC65F4C70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20080521211200.GG8761@mit.edu>

If you're talking about completing URLs based on history, I think you
want to set

url_completion_use_history = true;

in your RC file.

I'm not sure how to fix the issue with suggestions in forms -- that
requires deeper knowledge than I think I have.

- Nelson

On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 04:01:07PM -0500, Aditya Siram wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I can't seem to complete URL's with TAB. Is there some other key? Also when a suggestion pops up in a form, highlighting it and TAB doesn't work. 
> 
> Deech
> _________________________________________________________________
> Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft.
> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount
> _______________________________________________
> Conkeror mailing list
> Conkeror at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror

From joe_f at verizon.net  Thu May 22 07:25:47 2008
From: joe_f at verizon.net (Joe Fineman)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:25:47 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] [QUERY] What does cyclic__proto__value mean?
Message-ID: <uhccqqutw.fsf@verizon.net>

I use Conkeror (the old one, parasitic on Firefox) under Windows XP
with Firefox as the default browser.

Sporadically, on following a link, I get a popup that says "Error:
cyclic__proto__value".  It does not actually interfere with reaching
the desired page, but it takes the trackball to get rid of it.  What
does it mean?
-- 
---  Joe Fineman    joe_f at verizon.net

||:  I can state with complete confidence that I'll never amount  :||
||:  to anything.                                                 :||


From joe_f at verizon.net  Thu May 22 07:36:14 2008
From: joe_f at verizon.net (Joe Fineman)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:36:14 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] [QUERY] Loses its bearings after returning from a link
Message-ID: <ud4nequch.fsf@verizon.net>

I use Conkeror (the old one, parasitic on Firefox) under Windows XP
with Firefox as the default browser.

If, after following a link, I return (using l) to the previous site,
the behavior of <space>, which is supposed to scroll down one
screenful, becomes disordered.  It often makes only a small change;
more often, it jumps backward several screenfuls.  After a few tries,
it settles down again.  The effects is particularly conspicuous &
irritating on going from & to a long page such as
news.google.com/news#s_7.  Is this a permanent bug of the old
Conkeror?
-- 
---  Joe Fineman    joe_f at verizon.net

||:  Machines are canned rituals.  :||



From levy at msri.org  Thu May 22 17:57:38 2008
From: levy at msri.org (Silvio Levy)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:57:38 -0700
Subject: [Conkeror] Weird initialization failure
Message-ID: <20080523005738.44B0238D8C@ub.msri.org>

Help please!

A few days ago I update to the current version of conkeror with 'git
fetch; git merge origin'.  Now when I try to start conkeror I get the
error listed after my signature.  This happens even after I removed
the conkeror tree and reinstalled with 'git clone
git://repo.or.cz/conkeror.git'.

It doesn't seme to be a problem with my conkerorrc, because it happens
even when I don't have a conkerorrc, and conversely it does NOT happen
when my conkerorrc is read by conkeror running as root.  

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Silvio


ub:; /usr/local/src/conkeror/conkeror
Error initializing.
NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE: Component returned failure code:
0x80570016 (NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE) [nsIJSCID.getService]
null()@chrome://conkeror-modules/content/download-manager.js:9
ReferenceError: define_browser_object_class is not defined
chrome://conkeror-modules/content/media.js:79
@chrome://conkeror-modules/content/media.js:79
ReferenceError: load_rc is not defined
Console error: [JavaScript Warning: "reference to undefined property
conkeror[x]" {file: "chrome://conkeror-modules/content/buffer.js" line: 155}]
  Category: chrome javascript

From bleader at ratonland.org  Thu May 22 18:10:38 2008
From: bleader at ratonland.org (bleader)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 02:10:38 +0100
Subject: [Conkeror] Weird initialization failure
In-Reply-To: <20080523005738.44B0238D8C@ub.msri.org>
References: <20080523005738.44B0238D8C@ub.msri.org>
Message-ID: <20080523011038.GA4737@ratonland.org>

Hi,

>From what you describe, I would think that this is somehting that
was left on your hard drive between reinstallation, like your profile.
Have a look at your ~/.conkeror.mozdev.org or maybe remove/move it, to
at least see if it's working again.

Keep in mind that some settings or suggestions etc may be stored
there... So if you remove it you'll lost them, if you don't have much
configured except via you rc file, that should be find.

Hope that helps.

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 05:57:38PM -0700, Silvio Levy wrote:
> Help please!
> 
> A few days ago I update to the current version of conkeror with 'git
> fetch; git merge origin'.  Now when I try to start conkeror I get the
> error listed after my signature.  This happens even after I removed
> the conkeror tree and reinstalled with 'git clone
> git://repo.or.cz/conkeror.git'.
> 
> It doesn't seme to be a problem with my conkerorrc, because it happens
> even when I don't have a conkerorrc, and conversely it does NOT happen
> when my conkerorrc is read by conkeror running as root.  
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Silvio
> 
> 
> ub:; /usr/local/src/conkeror/conkeror
> Error initializing.
> NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE: Component returned failure code:
> 0x80570016 (NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE) [nsIJSCID.getService]
> null()@chrome://conkeror-modules/content/download-manager.js:9
> ReferenceError: define_browser_object_class is not defined
> chrome://conkeror-modules/content/media.js:79
> @chrome://conkeror-modules/content/media.js:79
> ReferenceError: load_rc is not defined
> Console error: [JavaScript Warning: "reference to undefined property
> conkeror[x]" {file: "chrome://conkeror-modules/content/buffer.js" line: 155}]
>   Category: chrome javascript


-- 
bleader

From levy at msri.org  Thu May 22 18:50:52 2008
From: levy at msri.org (Silvio Levy)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 18:50:52 -0700
Subject: [Conkeror] Weird initialization failure
In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 23 May 2008 02:10:38 +0100 
Message-ID: <20080523015052.A6F3138D8C@ub.msri.org>



Thank you, bleader!   Switching to a a new profile solved the problem, 
and then I merged my prefs.js back in.

Silvio


> Help please!
> 
> A few days ago I update to the current version of conkeror with 'git
> fetch; git merge origin'.  Now when I try to start conkeror I get the
> error listed after my signature.  This happens even after I removed
> the conkeror tree and reinstalled with 'git clone
> git://repo.or.cz/conkeror.git'.
> 
> It doesn't seme to be a problem with my conkerorrc, because it happens
> even when I don't have a conkerorrc, and conversely it does NOT happen
> when my conkerorrc is read by conkeror running as root.  
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Silvio
> 
> 
> ub:; /usr/local/src/conkeror/conkeror
> Error initializing.
> NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE: Component returned failure code:
> 0x80570016 (NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE) [nsIJSCID.getService]
> null()@chrome://conkeror-modules/content/download-manager.js:9
> ReferenceError: define_browser_object_class is not defined
> chrome://conkeror-modules/content/media.js:79
> @chrome://conkeror-modules/content/media.js:79
> ReferenceError: load_rc is not defined
> Console error: [JavaScript Warning: "reference to undefined property
> conkeror[x]" {file: "chrome://conkeror-modules/content/buffer.js" line: 155}]
>   Category: chrome javascript


From abe at deuxchevaux.org  Mon May 26 07:43:43 2008
From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 16:43:43 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] Small bug with URLs in status bar
Message-ID: <20080526144343.GM23595@sym.noone.org>

Hi,

just noticed that if you hover the mouse over a link, the URL behind
it is shown in status bar, but not if the there's an image instead of
text being linked.

Example: The two images at the (nearly) bottom of
http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/emacs-de

		Regards, Axel
-- 
Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/

From raskusil at gmail.com  Mon May 26 11:31:06 2008
From: raskusil at gmail.com (Raskusil Pokusalov)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:31:06 -0700
Subject: [Conkeror] Strange error messages at standard output
Message-ID: <d57e1790805261131o67b268cbg3d06b01220dbc79d@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!

Firstly, thanks to the author of conkeror for the incredible useful browser!

Now about the subject =)

I see that sometimes conkeror writes to its console various messages,
informing about errors. Fairly often I see messages like this:

(conkeror:4302): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion
`G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed

or

(conkeror:4302): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_hide: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET
(widget)' failed
(conkeror:4302): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_destroy: assertion
`GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed

I think those messages is of little importance and just can be ignored (am I
right?), but I'm interested in what they mean and are they actually effect
of a bug in xulrunner? Will those message vanish at the release of xulrunner
1.9?

Thanks. Sorry for my English.

--
Best Regards,
Sergey S.
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From ron at ronmitchell.co.uk  Tue May 27 15:52:27 2008
From: ron at ronmitchell.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 23:52:27 +0100
Subject: [Conkeror] How do you go to a bookmark?
Message-ID: <1211928747.1142.1255371907@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hi,

I feel silly asking this; I'm sure it's so obvious I can't see it.

I know that the 'b' command makes a bookmark of the current page.  So I
can *make* bookmarks...  But how do I *access* the bookmarks I've made? 
Is there a bookmark interface page?  Is there a command to go to a
bookmark which you type in the minibuffer??  Please, this is driving me
mad!

Regards,

Ron Mitchell

From sven.bretfeld at gmx.ch  Tue May 27 15:59:16 2008
From: sven.bretfeld at gmx.ch (Sven Bretfeld)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 00:59:16 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] How do you go to a bookmark?
In-Reply-To: <1211928747.1142.1255371907@webmail.messagingengine.com> (Ron
	Mitchell's message of "Tue\, 27 May 2008 23\:52\:27 +0100")
References: <1211928747.1142.1255371907@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <87iqwzz73v.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu>

Hi Ron

"Ron Mitchell" <ron at ronmitchell.co.uk> writes:

> I know that the 'b' command makes a bookmark of the current page.  So I
> can *make* bookmarks...  But how do I *access* the bookmarks I've made? 
> Is there a bookmark interface page?  Is there a command to go to a
> bookmark which you type in the minibuffer??  Please, this is driving me
> mad!

Just press "g" and type the name of the bookmark instead of a url. It
works with auto-completion.

Greetings

Sven
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From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Tue May 27 17:09:55 2008
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 20:09:55 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] URL & Suggestion Completion
References: <BLU108-W59F3E92DD98BF43C4CAC65F4C70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <87bq2r8f1o.fsf@earthlink.net>

Aditya Siram <aditya_siram at hotmail.com> writes:
> Also when a suggestion pops up in a form, highlighting it and TAB doesn't work. 

I'm not sure why this feature is enabled by default.  I think jbms was
working on it and it's halfway done right now.  I suggest the following:

  session_pref("browser.formfill.enable", false);

-- 
John Foerch


From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Tue May 27 17:11:51 2008
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 20:11:51 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] [QUERY] What does cyclic__proto__value mean?
References: <uhccqqutw.fsf@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <8763sz8eyg.fsf@earthlink.net>

Joe Fineman <joe_f at verizon.net> writes:
> I use Conkeror (the old one, parasitic on Firefox) under Windows XP
> with Firefox as the default browser.
>
> Sporadically, on following a link, I get a popup that says "Error:
> cyclic__proto__value".  It does not actually interfere with reaching
> the desired page, but it takes the trackball to get rid of it.  What
> does it mean?

Not familiar with the exact error message but in object-orientation
terms, it basically means that an object has itself as an ancestor
class.

-- 
John Foerch


From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Tue May 27 17:19:46 2008
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 20:19:46 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] Strange error messages at standard output
References: <d57e1790805261131o67b268cbg3d06b01220dbc79d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87wslf700t.fsf@earthlink.net>

"Raskusil Pokusalov" <raskusil at gmail.com> writes:
> I see that sometimes conkeror writes to its console various messages, informing about errors. Fairly
> often I see messages like this:
>
> (conkeror:4302): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
>
> or
>
> (conkeror:4302): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_hide: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
> (conkeror:4302): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_destroy: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
>
> I think those messages is of little importance and just can be ignored (am I right?), but I'm interested
> in what they mean and are they actually effect of a bug in xulrunner? Will those message vanish at the
> release of xulrunner 1.9?

These are probably xulrunner bugs, so yes.  The price of living on the edge.

-- 
John Foerch


From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Tue May 27 17:17:27 2008
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 20:17:27 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] [QUERY] Loses its bearings after returning from a
	link
References: <ud4nequch.fsf@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <871w3n8ep4.fsf@earthlink.net>

Joe Fineman <joe_f at verizon.net> writes:
> I use Conkeror (the old one, parasitic on Firefox) under Windows XP
> with Firefox as the default browser.
>
> If, after following a link, I return (using l) to the previous site,
> the behavior of <space>, which is supposed to scroll down one
> screenful, becomes disordered.  It often makes only a small change;
> more often, it jumps backward several screenfuls.  After a few tries,
> it settles down again.  The effects is particularly conspicuous &
> irritating on going from & to a long page such as
> news.google.com/news#s_7.

Hm.. space was bound to the mozilla command cmd_scrollPageDown--in other
words it should have little to nothing to do with conkeror.  I never
encountered that bug.  Sometimes xul:browser views jump around a bit
because of reflow.

> Is this a permanent bug of the old Conkeror?

I don't know of anybody continuing development on the extension version
of conkeror, so in that sense, any bugs in it are permanent.  It is an
intruiging idea that the current version of conkeror could possibly be
modified to work both as a xulrunner app and as an extension.  On the
other hand, what would be the point?

-- 
John Foerch


From tassilo at member.fsf.org  Wed May 28 00:20:04 2008
From: tassilo at member.fsf.org (Tassilo Horn)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:20:04 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] And how do you rename a bookmark? (was: How do you go to
	a bookmark?)
References: <1211928747.1142.1255371907@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<87iqwzz73v.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu>
Message-ID: <87skw2sxnf.fsf_-_@baldur.tsdh.de>

Sven Bretfeld <sven.bretfeld at gmx.ch> writes:

Hi Sven,

> Just press "g" and type the name of the bookmark instead of a url.

I have quite a lot of bookmarks and I like to rename some of them.  How
do I do that?

Bye,
Tassilo


From ron at ronmitchell.co.uk  Wed May 28 03:57:10 2008
From: ron at ronmitchell.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:57:10 +0100
Subject: [Conkeror] How do you go to a bookmark?
In-Reply-To: <87iqwzz73v.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu>
References: <1211928747.1142.1255371907@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<87iqwzz73v.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu>
Message-ID: <1211972230.1136.1255454855@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hi Sven,

Thanks for your reply - madness kept at bay.

One thing that's been confusing me is that when I've been creating
bookmarks I've been rubbing out the bookmark titles offered in the
minibuffer and typing in titles of my own.  That doesn't seem to work -
the bookmark is always saved with the "standard" offered title.  So if,
e.g. I bookmark the BBC News page with the title "gubbins" and then try
to auto-complete "gubbins" in a "g" command it doesn't work.  But it
does work with the standard title "BBC News | Front Page".

By the way, may I say all power to Conkeror! I am enjoying using it very
much indeed.
 
Ron


----- Original message -----
From: "Sven Bretfeld" <sven.bretfeld at gmx.ch>
To: conkeror at mozdev.org
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 00:59:16 +0200
Subject: Re: [Conkeror] How do you go to a bookmark?

Hi Ron

"Ron Mitchell" <ron at ronmitchell.co.uk> writes:

> I know that the 'b' command makes a bookmark of the current page.  So I
> can *make* bookmarks...  But how do I *access* the bookmarks I've made? 
> Is there a bookmark interface page?  Is there a command to go to a
> bookmark which you type in the minibuffer??  Please, this is driving me
> mad!

Just press "g" and type the name of the bookmark instead of a url. It
works with auto-completion.

Greetings

Sven

From dybber at dybber.dk  Wed May 28 07:22:36 2008
From: dybber at dybber.dk (Martin Dybdal)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:22:36 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] How do you go to a bookmark?
In-Reply-To: <1211972230.1136.1255454855@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1211928747.1142.1255371907@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<87iqwzz73v.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu>
	<1211972230.1136.1255454855@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <6ae416730805280722x66a8e8a2y18797acbe8f93218@mail.gmail.com>

I just tried to look into that. The bookmark is saved correctly, but
it looks like the search function provided by the new Places API
doesn't look at the bookmarks title, but only at what the content of
the <title>-tag was last time you visited the page. This is probably
because they now save history and bookmarks in the same database (you
have to set a flag if you only want to search for bookmarks).

It is somewhat mysterious to me why it isn't a problem in Firefox 3,
which searches for bookmarks just fine.

Btw. if you want to delete, change or in another way manage your
bookmarks, then you can copy the places.sqlite file from your conkeror
profile directory into your Firefox profile directory and use Firefox
to do the editing. Conkeror doesn't have any bookmark-manager as far
as I know.

Martin Dybdal

2008/5/28 Ron Mitchell <ron at ronmitchell.co.uk>:
> Hi Sven,
>
> Thanks for your reply - madness kept at bay.
>
> One thing that's been confusing me is that when I've been creating
> bookmarks I've been rubbing out the bookmark titles offered in the
> minibuffer and typing in titles of my own.  That doesn't seem to work -
> the bookmark is always saved with the "standard" offered title.  So if,
> e.g. I bookmark the BBC News page with the title "gubbins" and then try
> to auto-complete "gubbins" in a "g" command it doesn't work.  But it
> does work with the standard title "BBC News | Front Page".
>
> By the way, may I say all power to Conkeror! I am enjoying using it very
> much indeed.
>
> Ron
>
>
> ----- Original message -----
> From: "Sven Bretfeld" <sven.bretfeld at gmx.ch>
> To: conkeror at mozdev.org
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 00:59:16 +0200
> Subject: Re: [Conkeror] How do you go to a bookmark?
>
> Hi Ron
>
> "Ron Mitchell" <ron at ronmitchell.co.uk> writes:
>
>> I know that the 'b' command makes a bookmark of the current page.  So I
>> can *make* bookmarks...  But how do I *access* the bookmarks I've made?
>> Is there a bookmark interface page?  Is there a command to go to a
>> bookmark which you type in the minibuffer??  Please, this is driving me
>> mad!
>
> Just press "g" and type the name of the bookmark instead of a url. It
> works with auto-completion.
>
> Greetings
>
> Sven
> _______________________________________________
> Conkeror mailing list
> Conkeror at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror
>

From sven.bretfeld at gmx.ch  Wed May 28 09:42:23 2008
From: sven.bretfeld at gmx.ch (Sven Bretfeld)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 18:42:23 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] And how do you rename a bookmark? (was: How do you
	go to a bookmark?)
In-Reply-To: <87skw2sxnf.fsf_-_@baldur.tsdh.de> (Tassilo Horn's message of
	"Wed\, 28 May 2008 09\:20\:04 +0200")
References: <1211928747.1142.1255371907@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<87iqwzz73v.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu> <87skw2sxnf.fsf_-_@baldur.tsdh.de>
Message-ID: <87abiaz8gg.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu>

Hi Tassilo

Tassilo Horn <tassilo at member.fsf.org> writes:

> I have quite a lot of bookmarks and I like to rename some of them.  How
> do I do that?

I would just edit the file .conkerorrc (or however you named your init
file in the help menu) with Emacs. 

Greetings

Sven
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From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Wed May 28 10:44:38 2008
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (A.W.)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 12:44:38 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] is there a way to escape flash without the rat?
Message-ID: <613b861a0805281044g275f35ecnade07fc4fb0c53ae@mail.gmail.com>

That's the main reason I have to use the thing...

From tassilo at member.fsf.org  Wed May 28 11:11:06 2008
From: tassilo at member.fsf.org (Tassilo Horn)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 20:11:06 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] And how do you rename a bookmark?
References: <1211928747.1142.1255371907@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<87iqwzz73v.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu> <87skw2sxnf.fsf_-_@baldur.tsdh.de>
	<87abiaz8gg.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu>
Message-ID: <87iqwys3id.fsf@baldur.tsdh.de>

Sven Bretfeld <sven.bretfeld at gmx.ch> writes:

Hi Sven,

>> I have quite a lot of bookmarks and I like to rename some of them.
>> How do I do that?
>
> I would just edit the file .conkerorrc (or however you named your init
> file in the help menu) with Emacs.

But the rc file doesn't contain the bookmarks you created with `b'.  I
had a look at the ~/.conkeror.mozdev.org/ directory, but that doesn't
contain a file with an obvious name for bookmarks, too.  There are some
sqlite database files, so I guess bookmarks and stuff are stored in some
database tables.

I tried using the `sqlite' command line interface to access those
informations, but it doesn't list any tables.  Anyone knows how to load
the database?

Bye,
Tassilo


From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Wed May 28 11:49:39 2008
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:49:39 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] is there a way to escape flash without the rat?
References: <613b861a0805281044g275f35ecnade07fc4fb0c53ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <874p8ip8l8.fsf@earthlink.net>

A.W. <gzeusmants at gmail.com> writes:
> That's the main reason I have to use the thing...

Funny you should ask.  I was inspired to cook up a recipe to do just
that today.  Bind a key in your window manager to the following command:

conkeror -batch -e 'if (w=window_watcher.activeWindow) {
                      unfocus(w.buffers.current);
                      w.minibuffer.message("focus regained");
                    }'

-- 
John Foerch


From bleader at ratonland.org  Wed May 28 12:07:33 2008
From: bleader at ratonland.org (bleader at ratonland.org)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:07:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Conkeror] is there a way to escape flash without the rat?
In-Reply-To: <874p8ip8l8.fsf@earthlink.net>
References: <613b861a0805281044g275f35ecnade07fc4fb0c53ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<874p8ip8l8.fsf@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <57262.81.149.1.146.1212001653.squirrel@ratonland.org>

Oh, man I love you sooooo much :]

> Funny you should ask.  I was inspired to cook up a recipe to do just
> that today.  Bind a key in your window manager to the following command:
>
> conkeror -batch -e 'if (w=window_watcher.activeWindow) {
>                       unfocus(w.buffers.current);
>                       w.minibuffer.message("focus regained");
>                     }'
>
> --
> John Foerch


From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Wed May 28 12:21:27 2008
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (A.W.)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:21:27 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] is there a way to escape flash without the rat?
Message-ID: <613b861a0805281221ya82c65fk76d53903cb9cc89a@mail.gmail.com>

> From: John J Foerch <jjfoerch at earthlink.net>
> To: conkeror at mozdev.org
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:49:39 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Conkeror] is there a way to escape flash without the rat?
> A.W. <gzeusmants at gmail.com> writes:
>> That's the main reason I have to use the thing...
>
> Funny you should ask.  I was inspired to cook up a recipe to do just
> that today.  Bind a key in your window manager to the following command:
>
> conkeror -batch -e 'if (w=window_watcher.activeWindow) {
>                      unfocus(w.buffers.current);
>                      w.minibuffer.message("focus regained");
>                    }'
>
> --
> John Foerch
Hmm, The javascript there makes that a bit over my head in ability to
get working with StumpWM... I could either write a little script that
execs that or a bash alias... hmm... I'll figure it out.

From sven.bretfeld at gmx.ch  Wed May 28 12:46:58 2008
From: sven.bretfeld at gmx.ch (Sven Bretfeld)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:46:58 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] And how do you rename a bookmark?
In-Reply-To: <87iqwys3id.fsf@baldur.tsdh.de> (Tassilo Horn's message of "Wed\,
	28 May 2008 20\:11\:06 +0200")
References: <1211928747.1142.1255371907@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<87iqwzz73v.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu> <87skw2sxnf.fsf_-_@baldur.tsdh.de>
	<87abiaz8gg.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu> <87iqwys3id.fsf@baldur.tsdh.de>
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From nelhage at MIT.EDU  Wed May 28 13:07:52 2008
From: nelhage at MIT.EDU (Nelson Elhage)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:07:52 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] is there a way to escape flash without the rat?
In-Reply-To: <874p8ip8l8.fsf@earthlink.net>
References: <613b861a0805281044g275f35ecnade07fc4fb0c53ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<874p8ip8l8.fsf@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20080528200752.GC11844@mit.edu>

Would it make sense to define this as a function in conkeror so you
could just do `conkeror -batch -e 'regain_focus()'`?

- Nelson

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 02:49:39PM -0400, John J Foerch wrote:
> A.W. <gzeusmants at gmail.com> writes:
> > That's the main reason I have to use the thing...
> 
> Funny you should ask.  I was inspired to cook up a recipe to do just
> that today.  Bind a key in your window manager to the following command:
> 
> conkeror -batch -e 'if (w=window_watcher.activeWindow) {
>                       unfocus(w.buffers.current);
>                       w.minibuffer.message("focus regained");
>                     }'
> 
> -- 
> John Foerch
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Conkeror mailing list
> Conkeror at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror

From billclem at gmail.com  Wed May 28 13:18:30 2008
From: billclem at gmail.com (Bill Clementson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:18:30 -0700
Subject: [Conkeror] is there a way to escape flash without the rat?
In-Reply-To: <613b861a0805281221ya82c65fk76d53903cb9cc89a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <613b861a0805281221ya82c65fk76d53903cb9cc89a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8757cb490805281318j3562e61asab208e50196b09c1@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:21 PM, A. W. <gzeusmants at gmail.com> wrote:

> > From: John J Foerch <jjfoerch at earthlink.net>
> > To: conkeror at mozdev.org
> > Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:49:39 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [Conkeror] is there a way to escape flash without the rat?
> > A.W. <gzeusmants at gmail.com> writes:
> >> That's the main reason I have to use the thing...
> >
> > Funny you should ask.  I was inspired to cook up a recipe to do just
> > that today.  Bind a key in your window manager to the following command:
> >
> > conkeror -batch -e 'if (w=window_watcher.activeWindow) {
> >                      unfocus(w.buffers.current);
> >                      w.minibuffer.message("focus regained");
> >                    }'
> >
> > --
> > John Foerch
> Hmm, The javascript there makes that a bit over my head in ability to
> get working with StumpWM... I could either write a little script that
> execs that or a bash alias... hmm... I'll figure it out.


Wouldn't putting something like the following in your .stumpwmrc file work:

(define-stumpwm-command "refocus-conkeror" ()
  "Re-focus the conkeror buffer.
   Useful when you want to escape Flash without a mouse."
  (shell-command "conkeror -batch -e 'if (w=window_watcher.activeWindow) {
                     unfocus(w.buffers.current);
                     w.minibuffer.message(\"focus regained\");
                   }'"))

(define-key *root-map* (kbd "X") "refocus-conkeror")

Then "C-t X" will refocus conkeror.

--
Bill Clementson
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From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Wed May 28 14:58:54 2008
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:58:54 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] is there a way to escape flash without the rat?
References: <613b861a0805281044g275f35ecnade07fc4fb0c53ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<874p8ip8l8.fsf@earthlink.net> <20080528200752.GC11844@mit.edu>
Message-ID: <87y75unl9d.fsf@earthlink.net>

Nelson Elhage <nelhage at MIT.EDU> writes:
> Would it make sense to define this as a function in conkeror so you
> could just do `conkeror -batch -e 'regain_focus()'`?

Since all I'm really doing is calling the command `unfocus' by other
means, something in terms of the interactive system would be cleaner.
Something like emacs' `-f' command switch.  I'm looking into it now.

-- 
John Foerch



From dybber at dybber.dk  Thu May 29 05:19:01 2008
From: dybber at dybber.dk (Martin Dybdal)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:19:01 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] And how do you rename a bookmark?
In-Reply-To: <87iqwys3id.fsf@baldur.tsdh.de>
References: <1211928747.1142.1255371907@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<87iqwzz73v.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu> <87skw2sxnf.fsf_-_@baldur.tsdh.de>
	<87abiaz8gg.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu> <87iqwys3id.fsf@baldur.tsdh.de>
Message-ID: <6ae416730805290519r2a884edp521d139835ec60d5@mail.gmail.com>

As far as I know it isn't directly possible to rename them with
Conkeror. And also, the names you give to the bookmark is currently
saved, but not searchable or in any other way displayed by Conkeror
(not intentional of course).

If you have the Firefox 3.0 beta, then you can copy the
~/.conkeror.mozdev.org/conkeror/<profile>/places.sqlite into your
Firefox profile (remember to backup the existing places.sqlite file
there, if you don't want to loose anything). Then you can use the
Firefox bookmark manager to delete/change/add files and then copy the
updated places.sqlite file back into the conkeror profile. The
places.sqlite both contains bookmarks and browsing history.

I'll add a section about bookmarking on the wiki.

-
Martin Dybdal

2008/5/28 Tassilo Horn <tassilo at member.fsf.org>:
> Sven Bretfeld <sven.bretfeld at gmx.ch> writes:
>
> Hi Sven,
>
>>> I have quite a lot of bookmarks and I like to rename some of them.
>>> How do I do that?
>>
>> I would just edit the file .conkerorrc (or however you named your init
>> file in the help menu) with Emacs.
>
> But the rc file doesn't contain the bookmarks you created with `b'.  I
> had a look at the ~/.conkeror.mozdev.org/ directory, but that doesn't
> contain a file with an obvious name for bookmarks, too.  There are some
> sqlite database files, so I guess bookmarks and stuff are stored in some
> database tables.
>
> I tried using the `sqlite' command line interface to access those
> informations, but it doesn't list any tables.  Anyone knows how to load
> the database?
>
> Bye,
> Tassilo
>
> _______________________________________________
> Conkeror mailing list
> Conkeror at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror
>

From abe at deuxchevaux.org  Thu May 29 05:43:34 2008
From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:43:34 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] And how do you rename a bookmark?
In-Reply-To: <6ae416730805290519r2a884edp521d139835ec60d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1211928747.1142.1255371907@webmail.messagingengine.com>
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	<87abiaz8gg.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu> <87iqwys3id.fsf@baldur.tsdh.de>
	<6ae416730805290519r2a884edp521d139835ec60d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080529124334.GC3072@sym.noone.org>

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 02:19:01PM +0200, Martin Dybdal wrote:
> If you have the Firefox 3.0 beta, then you can copy the
> ~/.conkeror.mozdev.org/conkeror/<profile>/places.sqlite into your
> Firefox profile [...]

There exists a tool named sqlitebrowser which can edit the DB
directly. But then you have to be careful about not breaking the DB by
making it inconsistent.

		Regards, Axel
-- 
Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/

From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Thu May 29 07:56:30 2008
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:56:30 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] more Flash hackery
Message-ID: <87abi9jh0h.fsf@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

 I have been experimenting with embedded flash objects to see what the
possibilities are for a hypothetical flash-mode for conkeror.  I know
this is a topic of interest for some people, so I thought I would post a
repl session showing the basics of the standard flash plugin api.  I am
using the MozRepl extension to do this experimentation, where "repl>" is
the MozRepl prompt.

Step 1: browse to http://homestarrunner.com/ in conkeror
Step 2: connect to conkeror with MozRepl

=== begin paste ===
repl> repl.enter(conkeror)
[object Object] ? {XPCOMUtils: {?}, wrappedJSObject: {?},
                    conkeror: {?}, loaded_modules: {?},
                    loading_modules: {?},
                    module_after_load_functions: {?},
                    pending_loads: {?}, ...}
repl> w = window_watcher.activeWindow
[object ChromeWindow] ? {repl: undefined,
                          minibuffer_input_mode_indicator: {?},
                          current_buffer_input_mode_change_hook: {?},
                          minibuffer_mode_indicator: {?},
                          current_buffer_mode_change_hook: {?},
                          keyboard: {?},
                          buffer_dom_content_loaded_hook: {?}, ...}
repl> w.navigator.mimeTypes["application/x-shockwave-flash"]
[object MimeType] ? {description: "Shockwave Flash", enabledPlugin: {?},
                      suffixes: "swf", type: "application/x-shockwave-flash"}
repl> b = w.buffers.current
[object Object] ? {constructors_running: 0, window: {?}, configuration: {?},
                    element: {?}, browser: {?}, enabled_modes: {?},
                    local_variables: {?}, ...}
repl> b.document.embeds.length
2
repl> b.document.embeds[0].src
"http://homestarrunner.com/welcome.swf"
repl> b.document.embeds[1].src
"http://homestarrunner.com/main_nav.swf"
repl> e = b.document.embeds[0]
function() {?}
repl> e.Rewind()
repl> e.LoadMovie(0,"http://homestarrunner.com/sbemail195.swf")
repl> e.PercentLoaded()
18
repl> e.PercentLoaded()
20
repl> e.PercentLoaded()
40
repl> e.TotalFrames()
3170
repl> e.TCurrentFrame("/")
217
repl> e.StopPlay()
repl> e.TCurrentFrame("/")
297
repl> e.Play()
repl> e.IsPlaying()
true
repl> e.TCurrentFrame("/")
742
repl> e.GotoFrame("500")
repl> e.Play()
repl> e.GetVariable("$version")
"LNX 9,0,31,0"
repl> e.StopPlay()
repl> 

=== end paste ===

  Everything here is standard and should work with any basic flash
embed.  However, this is *not* the way to programmatically control
embedded video players like youtube-player.  Those are not so trivial
because movie-playback is controlled by internal logic of the player
program, rather than by the flash api.  I have experimented a bit with
youtube-player and I would be happy to share what I have learned if
people are interested.  It does not seem like full control over movie
playback is possible, but it is a very complex program so I could have
missed something.

  I will end this post with a question.  I posted yesterday about a
method to regain focus from a flash plugin.  Now can anybody figure out
how to focus a flash plugin without using the mouse?

-- 
John Foerch



From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Thu May 29 09:19:14 2008
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 12:19:14 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] is there a way to escape flash without the rat?
References: <613b861a0805281044g275f35ecnade07fc4fb0c53ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<874p8ip8l8.fsf@earthlink.net> <20080528200752.GC11844@mit.edu>
	<87y75unl9d.fsf@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <874p8hjd6l.fsf@earthlink.net>

John J Foerch <jjfoerch at earthlink.net> writes:
> Nelson Elhage <nelhage at MIT.EDU> writes:
>> Would it make sense to define this as a function in conkeror so you
>> could just do `conkeror -batch -e 'regain_focus()'`?
>
> Since all I'm really doing is calling the command `unfocus' by other
> means, something in terms of the interactive system would be cleaner.
> Something like emacs' `-f' command switch.  I'm looking into it now.

  I just pushed this change to the repo, so the command line I gave
yesterday can be simplified to:

  conkeror -batch -f unfocus

  Is `f' a good letter?  It is not quite the same as -f in emacs,
because with emacs you can call any function, but in conkeror it is only
for commands.

  I have noticed that using this workaround is not as simple as I had
hoped.  If the active window of conkeror is focused in the wm, I have to
either hit the key twice, or hit it once, and switch to another window
and back before focus is recovered.  I am mystified to the reason for
this behavior--whether it is a mozilla bug or a conkeror bug.

-- 
John Foerch


From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Sat May 31 14:15:15 2008
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (A.W.)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:15:15 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] Any Debian folks out there who're willing to update a an
	Emacsy program?
Message-ID: <613b861a0805311415m47a62c82o579bc5315c0d2b0b@mail.gmail.com>

Snd is an extensible sound editor, with many emacs-isms, such as
keybindings, extensible with a Lisp dialect(Guile or gauche) and
minimal dependence on the keyboard.

The current version in Debian 2.5 years old, and the online manual
(the only useful guide, it lacks Emacs' help system) is not very
useful

From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Sat May 31 12:00:55 2008
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (A.W.)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 14:00:55 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] OT: (know)Any Debian folks out there who're willing to
	update a an Emacsy program?
Message-ID: <613b861a0805311200j58ab9a12j51acf20d1ceaa778@mail.gmail.com>

Snd is an extensible sound editor, with many emacs-isms, such as
keybindings, extensible with a Lisp dialect(Guile or gauche. also Ruby
and Forth(FORTH!)) and minimal dependence on the keyboard.

The current version in Debian 2.5 years old, and the online manual
(the only useful guide, it lacks Emacs' help system) is not very
useful without the most recent version installed.

it currently builds fine under sid, but you'll need guile-1.8-dev and
guile-1.8-libs in addition to 'build-dep snd' and to build with alsa,
jack, and gtk (debian seems to lack the needed motif headers, tried
installing various motif packages to no avail, and the OSS portion of
the configure script seemed to not find what it's looking for, which
is not a good thing).

Not sure how many hackers are doing sound editing/creation, but this
is a cool tool that lets you do both. How many apps let you hack the
good hack on your sound files?

Main page:
http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/
Manual(also linked from main page):
http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/snd/snd.html