From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Mon Jun  2 07:44:59 2008
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (A.W.)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:44:59 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] Feature request: recognise Hyper key
Message-ID: <613b861a0806020744v3cc4a796t2133753406d5809a@mail.gmail.com>

I added Hyper to my modifiers(I don't need a caps, and 2 controls was
somehow annoying to me) and... why not?

If it's a huge task...don't do it. it's damned powerful as it is.

From aditya_siram at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  2 08:08:30 2008
From: aditya_siram at hotmail.com (Aditya Siram)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:08:30 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] Selecting Text Onscreen.
Message-ID: <BLU108-W2639C9DCBA405F2A323BAF4BB0@phx.gbl>


Hi all,
Is there a convenient way of selecting text using Conkeror? The recommended method (going into Caret mode, selecting, than hitting Escape) is cumbersome enough that its easier to use the mouse. 

It would be nice, for example, to be able to navigate to the start of my selection using C-s, hit C-Space, go to the end of selection and do something like an 'M-x copy '. 

-Deech
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From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Tue Jun  3 10:26:09 2008
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:26:09 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] Selecting Text Onscreen.
References: <BLU108-W2639C9DCBA405F2A323BAF4BB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <87ej7exwem.fsf@earthlink.net>

Aditya Siram <aditya_siram at hotmail.com> writes:
> Hi all,
> Is there a convenient way of selecting text using Conkeror? The recommended method (going into Caret mode, selecting, than hitting Escape) is cumbersome enough that its easier to use the mouse. 
>
> It would be nice, for example, to be able to navigate to the start of my selection using C-s, hit C-Space, go to the end of selection and do something like an 'M-x copy '. 

 We don't yet have a conkeror UI to caret mode but I know it is
something we want to add.

-- 
John Foerch


From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Tue Jun  3 10:30:01 2008
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:30:01 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] Feature request: recognise Hyper key
References: <613b861a0806020744v3cc4a796t2133753406d5809a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <878wxmxw86.fsf@earthlink.net>

A.W. <gzeusmants at gmail.com> writes:
> I added Hyper to my modifiers(I don't need a caps, and 2 controls was
> somehow annoying to me) and... why not?
>
> If it's a huge task...don't do it. it's damned powerful as it is.

http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/DOM:event

 The event object only contains flags for alt, meta, and control.  We
interpret both alt and meta as our "M" (Meta) modifier.  Does conkeror
see your hyper key as meta?

-- 
John Foerch


From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Tue Jun  3 12:38:08 2008
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (A.W.)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:38:08 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] Feature request: recognise Hyper key
Message-ID: <613b861a0806031238w3a03d957t7842e72e928ae669@mail.gmail.com>

It doesn't interpret it as anything, currently.
Alt is meta(default). Caps is control(remapped) when used with another
key, but shows caps_lock is undefined when first pressed/pressed
alone.
I should probably note that I've mapped caps to control and left
control to Hyper.
Most people don't do such things(I suppose a few scientists/teachers
using TeXmacs would, as it suggests mapping caps to hyper for math
expressions.
I just figure there might be a couple power users out there who might
want to use the same keys for 3 different things. Come to think of it,
multi-stroke combos go up exponentially, don't they...

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 2:00 PM,  <conkeror-request at mozdev.org> wrote:
> Send Conkeror mailing list submissions to
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>
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>
>   1. Re: Selecting Text Onscreen. (John J Foerch)
>   2. Re: Feature request: recognise Hyper key (John J Foerch)
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: John J Foerch <jjfoerch at earthlink.net>
> To: conkeror at mozdev.org
> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:26:09 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Conkeror] Selecting Text Onscreen.
> Aditya Siram <aditya_siram at hotmail.com> writes:
>> Hi all,
>> Is there a convenient way of selecting text using Conkeror? The recommended method (going into Caret mode, selecting, than hitting Escape) is cumbersome enough that its easier to use the mouse.
>>
>> It would be nice, for example, to be able to navigate to the start of my selection using C-s, hit C-Space, go to the end of selection and do something like an 'M-x copy '.
>
>  We don't yet have a conkeror UI to caret mode but I know it is
> something we want to add.
>
> --
> John Foerch
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: John J Foerch <jjfoerch at earthlink.net>
> To: conkeror at mozdev.org
> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:30:01 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Conkeror] Feature request: recognise Hyper key
> A.W. <gzeusmants at gmail.com> writes:
>> I added Hyper to my modifiers(I don't need a caps, and 2 controls was
>> somehow annoying to me) and... why not?
>>
>> If it's a huge task...don't do it. it's damned powerful as it is.
>
> http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/DOM:event
>
>  The event object only contains flags for alt, meta, and control.  We
> interpret both alt and meta as our "M" (Meta) modifier.  Does conkeror
> see your hyper key as meta?
>
> --
> John Foerch
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Conkeror mailing list
> Conkeror at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror
>
>

From jjfoerch at earthlink.net  Wed Jun  4 10:01:57 2008
From: jjfoerch at earthlink.net (John J Foerch)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:01:57 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] Feature request: recognise Hyper key
References: <613b861a0806031238w3a03d957t7842e72e928ae669@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87d4mxt9q2.fsf@earthlink.net>

A.W. <gzeusmants at gmail.com> writes:
> It doesn't interpret it as anything, currently.
> Alt is meta(default). Caps is control(remapped) when used with another
> key, but shows caps_lock is undefined when first pressed/pressed
> alone.
> I should probably note that I've mapped caps to control and left
> control to Hyper.
> Most people don't do such things(I suppose a few scientists/teachers
> using TeXmacs would, as it suggests mapping caps to hyper for math
> expressions.
> I just figure there might be a couple power users out there who might
> want to use the same keys for 3 different things. Come to think of it,
> multi-stroke combos go up exponentially, don't they...

 I am surprised that your OS sends a keystroke to conkeror when you
press your remapped capslock alone.  Mine does not do that.  Remapping
caps as control is very common, actually.  I don't think we can do
anything about supporting hyper though, because we can only work with
what xulrunner provides us in its event structure.

-- 
John Foerch



From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Wed Jun  4 14:18:54 2008
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (A.W.)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:18:54 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] Conkeror Digest, Vol 42, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10.1212606016.40796.conkeror@mozdev.org>
References: <mailman.10.1212606016.40796.conkeror@mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <613b861a0806041418q57ea6751n1322c3c1a53ae871@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, it's weird. I'm using sidux now, but Ubuntu(s) did the same
thing, and only Conkeror showed anything of that sort.

Sounds like I'll have to live with massive configurability as opposed
to insane ludicrous configurability?


> I am surprised that your OS sends a keystroke to conkeror when you
>press your remapped capslock alone.  Mine does not do that.  Remapping
>caps as control is very common, actually.  I don't think we can do
>anything about supporting hyper though, because we can only work with
>what xulrunner provides us in its event structure.

>--
>John Foerch

From eichin at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 09:06:17 2008
From: eichin at gmail.com (Mark Eichin)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:06:17 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] Feature request: recognise Hyper key
In-Reply-To: <87d4mxt9q2.fsf@earthlink.net>
References: <613b861a0806031238w3a03d957t7842e72e928ae669@mail.gmail.com>
	<87d4mxt9q2.fsf@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <f2e30b5f0806050906q47477ac4idbf6f19db88264c6@mail.gmail.com>

I actually get caps lock undefined from ubuntu hardy without any re-mapping...

On 6/4/08, John J Foerch <jjfoerch at earthlink.net> wrote:
> A.W. <gzeusmants at gmail.com> writes:
>> It doesn't interpret it as anything, currently.
>> Alt is meta(default). Caps is control(remapped) when used with another
>> key, but shows caps_lock is undefined when first pressed/pressed
>> alone.
>> I should probably note that I've mapped caps to control and left
>> control to Hyper.
>> Most people don't do such things(I suppose a few scientists/teachers
>> using TeXmacs would, as it suggests mapping caps to hyper for math
>> expressions.
>> I just figure there might be a couple power users out there who might
>> want to use the same keys for 3 different things. Come to think of it,
>> multi-stroke combos go up exponentially, don't they...
>
>  I am surprised that your OS sends a keystroke to conkeror when you
> press your remapped capslock alone.  Mine does not do that.  Remapping
> caps as control is very common, actually.  I don't think we can do
> anything about supporting hyper though, because we can only work with
> what xulrunner provides us in its event structure.
>
> --
> John Foerch
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Conkeror mailing list
> Conkeror at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror
>

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_Mark_ <eichin at thok.org> <eichin at gmail.com>

From jeremy at jeremyms.com  Thu Jun  5 13:53:41 2008
From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:53:41 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] New feature added: "view internally" and "view as text"
	download options
Message-ID: <87od6fzjqi.fsf@jeremyms.com>

I recently checked in a new feature that adds "view internally" and
"view as text" options to the download prompt (brought up when you
attempt to load a URL that either specifies a Content-disposition header
or which has a content type that Mozilla thinks it cannot handle).
These options force the URL to be opened in browser itself
(i.e. displayed using Gecko) as a content type that you specify.

This feature can also be accessed directly via the view-as-mime-type
command (by default bound to "v").

There are some limitations to this facility, as described at
<http://conkeror.org/CommonProblems>.

Note that we'll try to send out e-mails like this in the future when
other new features are added to Conkeror.  (We haven't done this in the
past.)

Also, in case you didn't notice yet, Nelson Elhage recently added a
Google Maps page mode.

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

From tramsey at gmail.com  Fri Jun  6 13:51:37 2008
From: tramsey at gmail.com (Tim Ramsey)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:51:37 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] Proper place for bugs / suggestions
Message-ID: <7ec0d6ae0806061351j2f40adc2vd772116e2ca1a5cc@mail.gmail.com>

Being brand new to the Conkeror community, I was wondering what the
'approved' venue was for making suggestions and/or registering bugs?

Thanks.
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From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Sat Jun  7 09:08:29 2008
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (A.W.)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 11:08:29 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] Scheme/Scheme-to-Javascript support?
Message-ID: <613b861a0806070908y12eb20b2l9faab555accd541c@mail.gmail.com>

I don't have a problem working with Javascript, but I've seen a few
projects out there, some compilers from Scheme to JS, some
implementations of Scheme IN Javascript and so on. This got me curious
if perhaps more Emacs users/elisp devs would be interested if working
in a Lisp was an option. I don't think it should be anything but that:
an option. perhaps the scheme code could be treated as a string and
passed to the parser (in JS) and then run natively? Wow, I'm impressed
with how close that is to making sense. Me So Smart.
This might have already been considered, and I just don't know why
it's not feasible, so feel free to tell me if that is so.

From thorne at timbral.net  Sat Jun  7 11:50:33 2008
From: thorne at timbral.net (Evans Winner)
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:50:33 -0600
Subject: [Conkeror] Scheme/Scheme-to-Javascript support?
References: <613b861a0806070908y12eb20b2l9faab555accd541c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86r6b96pvq.fsf@timbral.net>

A.W. <gzeusmants at gmail.com> writes:

    I don't have a problem working with Javascript, but I've
    seen a few projects out there, some compilers from
    Scheme to JS, some implementations of Scheme IN
    Javascript and so on. This got me curious if perhaps
    more Emacs users/elisp devs would be interested if
    working in a Lisp was an option. I don't think it should
    be anything but that: an option. perhaps the scheme code
    could be treated as a string and passed to the parser
    (in JS) and then run natively? Wow, I'm impressed with
    how close that is to making sense. Me So Smart.  This
    might have already been considered, and I just don't
    know why it's not feasible, so feel free to tell me if
    that is so.

I asked about this a couple months ago as I recall.  The
answer was, in effect, Javascript is easy to learn, so just
suck it up.  So I admit that while I use and like Conkeror,
I don't customize it at all, because I'm just a poor
end-user, and elisp was hard enough to learn.  If there was
even a limited scheme-to-js module built in to Conkeror, I'd
almost certainly use it.


From joe_f at verizon.net  Sun Jun  8 08:46:18 2008
From: joe_f at verizon.net (Joe Fineman)
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 11:46:18 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] [QUERY] Difficulty installing Conkeror under Windows
Message-ID: <ubq2corp1.fsf@verizon.net>

I have been using Conkeror (the "historical" one parasitic on Firefox)
under Windows XP.  With the help of a friend who is better at such
things, I have tried to install the current version.  Following the
instructions in conkeror.org/Installation (including installing
XULRunner 1.9) produces a conkeror.exe, which, however, does nothing
visible (no error messages, no Web page).  What might we be skipping?

Thank you for your attention.
-- 
---  Joe Fineman    joe_f at verizon.net

||:  Suck, squeeze, bang, blow.        :||
||:  Internal combustion makes it go.  :||


From jeremy at jeremyms.com  Sun Jun  8 16:54:07 2008
From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard)
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 19:54:07 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] Proper place for bugs / suggestions
In-Reply-To: <7ec0d6ae0806061351j2f40adc2vd772116e2ca1a5cc@mail.gmail.com>
	(Tim Ramsey's message of "Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:51:37 -0400")
References: <7ec0d6ae0806061351j2f40adc2vd772116e2ca1a5cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <877iczzdnk.fsf@jeremyms.com>

"Tim Ramsey" <tramsey at gmail.com> writes:

> Being brand new to the Conkeror community, I was wondering what the
> 'approved' venue was for making suggestions and/or registering bugs?

Please just either send them as messages to this mailing list, under
FeatureRequests on the wiki, or mention them on IRC.

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

From abe at deuxchevaux.org  Sun Jun  8 18:51:02 2008
From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 03:51:02 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] Debian packages and man page for conkeror
Message-ID: <20080609015102.GP3072@sym.noone.org>

Hi,

As already signaled, I've built Debian packages of conkeror:

http://noone.org/debian/conkeror_0.9~git080522-1_all.deb
http://noone.org/debian/conkeror-spawn-process-helper_0.9~git080522-1_i386.deb
http://noone.org/debian/conkeror-spawn-process-helper_0.9~git080522-1_amd64.deb

They'll hit the Debian NEW queue probably during the next days. If
everything goes fine, they should show up in Debian Unstable after a
while and later also in Debian Testing.

For the conkeror Debian package, I also wrote a man page about
conkeror. But I think the man page is useful also outside Debian
package, maybe even as official part of conkeror in the future. So I
attached it to this mail. Comments and corrections are welcome!

		Regards, Axel
-- 
Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/
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.\" -*- nroff -*-
.TH CONKEROR 1 "June 4, 2008"
.SH NAME
conkeror \- a web browser modeled after Emacs
.SH SYNOPSIS
.B conkeror 
.RI [ options ] 
.RI [ url ]
.RI ...
.SH DESCRIPTION
This manual page documents briefly
.B conkeror
.PP
\fBconkeror\fP is a web browser based on xulrunner, the Mozilla
application framework that also powers Mozilla Firefox. It can be
controlled completely with the keyboard. The keybindings are very
similar to those from Emacs, so Emacs users should immediately feel at
home.
.SH OPTIONS
This program has the same options as all other xulrunner applications.
A summary of more important options is included below. All options are
listed by calling \fBconkeror --help\fP.
.TP
.B \-h, \-\-help
Show summary of options.
.TP
.B \-v, \-\-version
Show version of program.
.TP
.B \-\-display=DISPLAY
X display to use
.TP
.B \-height <value>
Set height of startup window to <value>
.TP
.B \-width <value>
Set width of startup window to <value>
.TP
.B \-P <profile>
Start with profile <profile>
.TP
.B \-ProfileManager
Start with ProfileManager.
.TP
.B \-no\-remote
Open new instance, not a new window in running instance.
.TP
.B \-UILocale <locale>
Start with <locale> resources as UI Locale.
.TP
.B \-safe-mode
Disables extensions and themes for this session.
.TP
.B -jsconsole
Open the Error console.
.SH CONCEPTS
Similar to Emacs conkeror works with windows and buffers instead of
windows and tabs.
.PP
When changing buffers with \fBC-x b\fP or killing buffers with \fBC-x
k\fP, you can cut down the list of buffers by typing a few characters
hich filters the list for buffers which match these characters and
then choosing them from the matching list of buffers with cursor keys.
.PP
The same idea is present with bookmarks: Bookmarks are looked up by
pressing \fBg\fP to go to a new page and then start typing parts of the
bookmarks title or URL.
.SH TIPS AND TRICKS
If you want to bookmark a page with \fBb\fP and the page has frames or
inline frames (e.g. advertisments) you will be asked which frame to
bookmark. If you want to bookmark the whole page with all frames,
press \fB0\fP.
.PP
If you want to copy the link of the current page, press \fBc\fP for
copy link and then type \fB0\fP for the current page instead of a link
on this page.
.PP
Instead of typing the link number when following or copying a link,
you can also type a part of the linked text. If don't type a number
and one links is already active (e.g. after going back one page in the
history) that link will be selected.
.SH KEYBINDINGS
.PP
When you start it up initially you see the help page with all
informations and a tutorial on how to use conkeror. You alway come
back there by typing \fBC-h i\fP which means pressing and holding the
Control key (on PCs this often is the Alt key) and then pressing
"i". The tutorial can be reached by pressing \fBC-h t\fP.
.PP
This is a short list of the most important keybindings:
.TP
.B C-x C-c
Exit the program
.TP
.B C-x C-f
Open an URL in a new buffer.
.TP
.B C-x C-v
Open an URL in the current buffer by editing the current URL.
.TP
.B C-x b
Change buffer
.TP
.B C-x k
Kill (close) buffer
.TP
.B M-p
Change to previous buffer
.TP
.B M-n
Change to next buffer
.TP
.B g
Go to another URL
.TP
.B r
Reload page
.TP
.B f
Follow a link
.TP
.B C-u f
Follow a link and open it in a new window
.TP
.B c
Copy a link to clipboard
.TP
.B b
Bookmark page
.TP
.B B
Go to previous page (Backward) in page history
.TP
.B F
Go to next page (Forward) in page history
.TP
.B [[
Go to previous page (Backward) in site navigation (if present)
.TP
.B ]]
Go to next page (Forward) in site navigation (if present)
.TP
.B C-g
Stop (loading a the page, incremental search, etc.)
.TP
.B C-s
Incremental search forward
.TP
.B C-r
Incremental search backward
.TP
.B C-w
Cut
.TP
.B C-y
Paste
.SH SEE ALSO
.BR xulrunner-1.9(1),
.SH AUTHOR
conkeror was written by Shawn Betts, John J. Foerch, Jeremy
Maitin-Shepard and other. See /usr/share/doc/conkeror/CREDITS for a
full list of cntributors.
.PP
This manual page was written by Axel Beckert <abe at deuxchevaux.org>,
for the Debian project (but may be used by others).

From levy at msri.org  Sun Jun  8 22:00:35 2008
From: levy at msri.org (Silvio Levy)
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 22:00:35 -0700
Subject: [Conkeror] Debian packages and man page for conkeror
In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 9 Jun 2008 03:51:02 +0200 
Message-ID: <E1K5ZUh-00085B-00@harley.msri.org>


Thanks for the man page.  It's helpful!  

Developers, any chance that in addition to -height and -width
you might support the X convention -geometry wxh?x0?y0 ?  Here
the + sign indicates distance from bottom or left edge of screen and
the - sign distance from the top or right edge.  This avoids a tedious
move of the window when conkeror starts up.

Best wishes,

Silvio



From abe at deuxchevaux.org  Mon Jun  9 05:30:13 2008
From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 14:30:13 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] Debian packages and man page for conkeror
In-Reply-To: <E1K5ZUh-00085B-00@harley.msri.org>
References: <E1K5ZUh-00085B-00@harley.msri.org>
Message-ID: <20080609123013.GU3072@sym.noone.org>

Hi,

On Sun, Jun 08, 2008 at 10:00:35PM -0700, Silvio Levy wrote:
> Thanks for the man page.  It's helpful!  

Thanks!

> Developers, any chance that in addition to -height and -width you
> might support the X convention -geometry wxh?x0?y0 ?

Not sure if this is really a quest for the conkeror. I would expect it
more in the domain of the xulrunner developers.

Interestingly even the -width and -height doesn't work, if you're
starting conkeror as

  xulrunner application.ini -height 800 -width 800 

Any idea what causes this and how to get at least -height and -width
working that way? Otherwise I may need to redesign my Debian package.

Well, I'll probably dig into it myself a little bit. Maybe I find some
solution...

		Regards, Axel
-- 
Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/

From abe at deuxchevaux.org  Mon Jun  9 09:06:31 2008
From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 18:06:31 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] Symlink attack possible against conkeror /
	spawn-process-helper
Message-ID: <20080609160631.GX3072@sym.noone.org>

Hi,

conkeror respectively spawn-process-helper uses easily predictable
files names ("/tmp/$FIELDNAME.txt") to spawn external editors. This
allows to run symlink attacks[1] against conkeror.

  [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symlink_race

Those file names should always contain an unpredictable part like
provided by the file names generated by mktemp(1), mktemp(3) or e.g. in
Perl by File::Temp.

Unfortunately I haven't found the point where the file names are
generated, so I currently can't offer a patch for this issue. It looks
as if it's outside spawn-process-helper, though, so it's either
somewhere in conkeror or somewhere in xulrunner.

		Regards, Axel
-- 
Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/

From jeremy at jeremyms.com  Mon Jun  9 10:15:49 2008
From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:15:49 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] Symlink attack possible against conkeror /
	spawn-process-helper
In-Reply-To: <20080609160631.GX3072@sym.noone.org> (Axel Beckert's message of
	"Mon, 9 Jun 2008 18:06:31 +0200")
References: <20080609160631.GX3072@sym.noone.org>
Message-ID: <87zlpuy1fe.fsf@jeremyms.com>

Axel Beckert <abe at deuxchevaux.org> writes:

> Hi,
> conkeror respectively spawn-process-helper uses easily predictable
> files names ("/tmp/$FIELDNAME.txt") to spawn external editors. This
> allows to run symlink attacks[1] against conkeror.

>   [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symlink_race

> Those file names should always contain an unpredictable part like
> provided by the file names generated by mktemp(1), mktemp(3) or e.g. in
> Perl by File::Temp.

> Unfortunately I haven't found the point where the file names are
> generated, so I currently can't offer a patch for this issue. It looks
> as if it's outside spawn-process-helper, though, so it's either
> somewhere in conkeror or somewhere in xulrunner.

This is actually not a security risk, because the file is opened using
the O_EXCL option, which will fail if a symlink exists.

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

From abe at deuxchevaux.org  Mon Jun  9 10:24:53 2008
From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:24:53 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] -height and -width (was: Re: Debian packages and man
	page for conkeror)
In-Reply-To: <20080609123013.GU3072@sym.noone.org>
References: <E1K5ZUh-00085B-00@harley.msri.org>
	<20080609123013.GU3072@sym.noone.org>
Message-ID: <20080609172453.GB3072@sym.noone.org>

Hi,

On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 02:30:13PM +0200, Axel Beckert wrote:
> Interestingly even the -width and -height doesn't work, if you're
> starting conkeror as
> 
>   xulrunner application.ini -height 800 -width 800 

This seems to be a well known and also very old issue, see

http://bugs.debian.org/267344
http://bugs.debian.org/424734
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50201

		Regards, Axel
-- 
Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/

From joe_f at verizon.net  Mon Jun  9 13:56:28 2008
From: joe_f at verizon.net (Joe Fineman)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:56:28 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] Attempt to uninstall historical Conkeror disabled
	Firefox. Help!
Message-ID: <u3anmwcn7.fsf@verizon.net>

Yesterday I queried the failure of an attempt to install the current
Conkeror.  Today, my friend Jim & I wondered if the fact that it would
not come up might be related to the existence of the historical
Conkeror.  He uninstalled that, with no effect.  He then uninstalled
Firefox in case that had been contaminated in some way.  On
reinstalling Firefox, we find that it now will not come up either.

I find that the Web page from which I got the information to install
the historical Conkeror has now disappeared.

Please, does anybody know what is going on?
-- 
---  Joe Fineman    joe_f at verizon.net

||:  Life is one long process of getting tired.  :||


From jeremy at jeremyms.com  Mon Jun  9 14:16:38 2008
From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:16:38 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] Attempt to uninstall historical Conkeror disabled
	Firefox. Help!
In-Reply-To: <u3anmwcn7.fsf@verizon.net> (Joe Fineman's message of "Mon, 09
	Jun 2008 16:56:28 -0400")
References: <u3anmwcn7.fsf@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <87ve0ixqa1.fsf@jeremyms.com>

Joe Fineman <joe_f at verizon.net> writes:

> Yesterday I queried the failure of an attempt to install the current
> Conkeror.  Today, my friend Jim & I wondered if the fact that it would
> not come up might be related to the existence of the historical
> Conkeror.  He uninstalled that, with no effect.  He then uninstalled
> Firefox in case that had been contaminated in some way.  On
> reinstalling Firefox, we find that it now will not come up either.

> I find that the Web page from which I got the information to install
> the historical Conkeror has now disappeared.

> Please, does anybody know what is going on?

Do you get any messages to the terminal when trying to run either
program?  Also, you might try moving out of the way your Firefox
profile (~/.mozilla/firefox).

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

From jeremy at jeremyms.com  Mon Jun  9 14:17:52 2008
From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:17:52 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] Attempt to uninstall historical Conkeror disabled
	Firefox. Help!
In-Reply-To: <u3anmwcn7.fsf@verizon.net> (Joe Fineman's message of "Mon, 09
	Jun 2008 16:56:28 -0400")
References: <u3anmwcn7.fsf@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <87r6b6xq7z.fsf@jeremyms.com>

Joe Fineman <joe_f at verizon.net> writes:

> Yesterday I queried the failure of an attempt to install the current
> Conkeror.  Today, my friend Jim & I wondered if the fact that it would
> not come up might be related to the existence of the historical
> Conkeror.  He uninstalled that, with no effect.  He then uninstalled
> Firefox in case that had been contaminated in some way.  On
> reinstalling Firefox, we find that it now will not come up either.

> I find that the Web page from which I got the information to install
> the historical Conkeror has now disappeared.

> Please, does anybody know what is going on?

Btw, in order to get error messages, you may need to pass the -console
command-line option when starting firefox or conkeror.

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Tue Jun 10 00:22:56 2008
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (A.W.)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:22:56 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] Feature request/question
Message-ID: <613b861a0806100022k14386c3bo2d75c9420a939c9d@mail.gmail.com>

Is it possible to make text input boxes white-on-black as opposed to
black on white?

The default is pretty, but compared to my Emacs color theme (clarity)
eye fatigue is an issue (I need glasses, but yeah).
I THINK this was an option on some version/plugin of/for Firefox, but
perhaps that's a wishful dream.
I'd ask how to change the default display colors, but I KNOW that
would muck up websites that aren't explicit but should be. Wait, that
would just leave me writing a function that switches the defaults and
binding it to a keychord...
...I think most of this makes sense.

I've gotten 3 hours of sleep, and I'm a bit dizzy at the moment...

Thanks in advance, even for bad news.

From bleader at ratonland.org  Tue Jun 10 01:40:24 2008
From: bleader at ratonland.org (bleader at ratonland.org)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:40:24 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Conkeror] Attempt to uninstall historical Conkeror disabled
 Firefox. Help!
In-Reply-To: <u3anmwcn7.fsf@verizon.net>
References: <u3anmwcn7.fsf@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <34901.81.149.1.146.1213087224.squirrel@ratonland.org>

I think that what you may want to do is disable it properly *before*
removing it, from what I can recall from the old times, I would say you
need to:
- backup your firefox profile (~/.mozilla/firefox in linux)
- move it somewhere else
- launch firefox, that should work now
- install the old conkeror
- put back the backup instead of the new profile
- go to the chrome:// page that have the button for reset the chrome to
default
- remove the conkeror extension

Out of the top of my head, hope this will help you even if it's not very
accurate :)

> Yesterday I queried the failure of an attempt to install the current
> Conkeror.  Today, my friend Jim & I wondered if the fact that it would
> not come up might be related to the existence of the historical
> Conkeror.  He uninstalled that, with no effect.  He then uninstalled
> Firefox in case that had been contaminated in some way.  On
> reinstalling Firefox, we find that it now will not come up either.
>
> I find that the Web page from which I got the information to install
> the historical Conkeror has now disappeared.
>
> Please, does anybody know what is going on?
> --
> ---  Joe Fineman    joe_f at verizon.net
>
> ||:  Life is one long process of getting tired.  :||
>
> _______________________________________________
> Conkeror mailing list
> Conkeror at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror
>





From ron at ronmitchell.co.uk  Tue Jun 10 08:22:22 2008
From: ron at ronmitchell.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:22:22 +0100
Subject: [Conkeror] High CPU
Message-ID: <1213111342.28989.1257715131@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hi,

When I run conkeror on Windows XP the Task Manager shows its CPU usage
fluctuating between 60% and 80%.  I have to keep closing it down because
it impacts the performance of other applications I need to run (MS
Office, sadly).

Is the high CPU normal at this stage of conkeror's development, or is
there something amiss with my setup?

Regards,

Ron

From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Tue Jun 10 11:25:42 2008
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (A.W.)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:25:42 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] white on black text input
Message-ID: <613b861a0806101125w49e8c9cr4a40f158cf3ff547@mail.gmail.com>

Will was helpful enough to let me know to use a personal CSS form,
which I've made using good ol' Google.
Now I just need to set the CSS form in my rc, and that's just beyond
my skills at the moment. I'm about to go to the bookstore to read up
on JavaScript, but i'm not confident that I'll learn enough to day to
solve this issue.

From joe_f at verizon.net  Tue Jun 10 12:55:58 2008
From: joe_f at verizon.net (Joe Fineman)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:55:58 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] Attempt to uninstall historical Conkeror disabled
	Firefox.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1213124408.21605.conkeror@mozdev.org>
	(conkeror-request@mozdev.org's message of "Tue,
	10 Jun 2008 12:00:08 -0700")
References: <mailman.9.1213124408.21605.conkeror@mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <u1w35njxt.fsf@verizon.net>

conkeror-request at mozdev.org writes:

Thanks to all of you who tried to help.  We did manage to get the
historical Conkeror uninstalled and bare Firefox working again.  It
turned out that the trouble was that to do a clean reinstall of
Firefox, we had to delete the user settings in advance.

We still have not managed to get the current Conkeror working.  The
attempt to get error messages using -console was not successful.  The
resulting error popup disappears in a flash, and seems not to contain
anything, tho it's hard to be sure.

My friend Jim, who is helping me with this, thinks there may be
something about how to start up Conkeror for the first time that is
supposed to be obvious but is not so to us.

Thanks again for your attention.
-- 
---  Joe Fineman    joe_f at verizon.net

||:  A lot of what people do doesn't make sense even as  :||
||:  foolishness.                                        :||


From joe_f at verizon.net  Tue Jun 10 12:55:06 2008
From: joe_f at verizon.net (Joe Fineman)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:55:06 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] Attempt to uninstall historical Conkeror disabled
	Firefox.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1213124408.21605.conkeror@mozdev.org>
	(conkeror-request@mozdev.org's message of "Tue,
	10 Jun 2008 12:00:08 -0700")
References: <mailman.9.1213124408.21605.conkeror@mozdev.org>
Message-ID: <u3anlnjz9.fsf@verizon.net>

conkeror-request at mozdev.org writes:

Thanks to all of you who tried to help.  We did manage to get the
historical Conkeror uninstalled and bare Firefox working again.  It
turned out that the trouble was that to do a clean reinstall of
Firefox, we had to delete the user settings in advance.

We still have not managed to get the current Conkeror working.  The
attempt to get error messages using -console was not successful.  The
resulting error popup disappears in a flash, and seems not to contain
anything, tho it's hard to be sure.

My friend Jim, who is helping me with this, thinks there may be
something about how to start up Conkeror for the first time that is
supposed to be obvious but is not so to us.

Thanks again for your attention.
-- 
---  Joe Fineman    joe_f at verizon.net

||:  A lot of what people do doesn't make sense even as  :||
||:  foolishness.                                        :||


From jeremy at jeremyms.com  Tue Jun 10 16:18:10 2008
From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:18:10 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] Debian packages and man page for conkeror
In-Reply-To: <20080609015102.GP3072@sym.noone.org> (Axel Beckert's message of
	"Mon, 9 Jun 2008 03:51:02 +0200")
References: <20080609015102.GP3072@sym.noone.org>
Message-ID: <878wxcubf1.fsf@jeremyms.com>

Axel Beckert <abe at deuxchevaux.org> writes:

> Hi,
> As already signaled, I've built Debian packages of conkeror:

> http://noone.org/debian/conkeror_0.9~git080522-1_all.deb
> http://noone.org/debian/conkeror-spawn-process-helper_0.9~git080522-1_i386.deb
> http://noone.org/debian/conkeror-spawn-process-helper_0.9~git080522-1_amd64.deb

> They'll hit the Debian NEW queue probably during the next days. If
> everything goes fine, they should show up in Debian Unstable after a
> while and later also in Debian Testing.

> For the conkeror Debian package, I also wrote a man page about
> conkeror. But I think the man page is useful also outside Debian
> package, maybe even as official part of conkeror in the future. So I
> attached it to this mail. Comments and corrections are welcome!

Thanks for creating a Debian package for Conkeror.  Hopefully it will
help increase the Conkeror userbase.  After looking over the package, I
have just a few comments:

1. The conkeror.xulapp file should not be included, as it is used only
   for a particular method of installing Conkeror, and is not needed
   after that.
2. The -help command-line option is actually handled by xulrunner
   itself, and merely displays the canned xulrunner usage information.
   The -width and -height options advertised are not actually
   functional, so they should be removed from the man page.  It would
   not be too hard to create a way to specify an initial size for a
   window to be opened.  (Many users of Conkeror presumably use a tiling
   window manager, making the initial size irrelevant, though.)

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

From brian at microcomaustralia.com.au  Tue Jun 10 19:19:52 2008
From: brian at microcomaustralia.com.au (Brian May)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:19:52 +1000
Subject: [Conkeror] High CPU
In-Reply-To: <1213111342.28989.1257715131@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1213111342.28989.1257715131@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <484F3648.8090401@microcomaustralia.com.au>

Ron Mitchell wrote:
> When I run conkeror on Windows XP the Task Manager shows its CPU usage
> fluctuating between 60% and 80%.  I have to keep closing it down because
> it impacts the performance of other applications I need to run (MS
> Office, sadly).
>
> Is the high CPU normal at this stage of conkeror's development, or is
> there something amiss with my setup?
>   
Are you sure it is Conkeror, and not say, the flash plugin?

Conkeror itself should not be using so much CPU.

Brian May

From abe at deuxchevaux.org  Wed Jun 11 05:00:39 2008
From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:00:39 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] Debian packages and man page for conkeror
In-Reply-To: <878wxcubf1.fsf@jeremyms.com>
References: <20080609015102.GP3072@sym.noone.org> <878wxcubf1.fsf@jeremyms.com>
Message-ID: <20080611120039.GE3346@sym.noone.org>

Hi,

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 07:18:10PM -0400, Jeremy Maitin-Shepard wrote:
> Thanks for creating a Debian package for Conkeror.  Hopefully it will
> help increase the Conkeror userbase.  After looking over the package, I
> have just a few comments:
> 
> 1. The conkeror.xulapp file should not be included, as it is used only
>    for a particular method of installing Conkeror, and is not needed
>    after that.

Already noticed that. This, and some more things of that kind, are
already fixed in my packaging repository[1] and will be fixed with the
next release of the package.

  [1] http://noone.org/hg/conkeror/debian -- I currently use Mercurial
      (hg), but will probably switch to git which can make things
      easier because conkeror itself uses git.

> 2. The -help command-line option is actually handled by xulrunner
>    itself, and merely displays the canned xulrunner usage
>    information.

Seems so, yes.

>    The -width and -height options advertised are not actually
>    functional,

Noticed that, too. It's a known bug in Mozilla since 2000. :-(

>    so they should be removed from the man page. 

I will include hints in the --help output as well as the man page
pointing to the bug reports I posted already to the list.

>    (Many users of Conkeror presumably use a tiling window manager,
>    making the initial size irrelevant, though.)

Ack.

		Regards, Axel
-- 
Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/

From jeremy at jeremyms.com  Wed Jun 11 05:21:54 2008
From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:21:54 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] Debian packages and man page for conkeror
In-Reply-To: <20080611120039.GE3346@sym.noone.org> (Axel Beckert's message of
	"Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:00:39 +0200")
References: <20080609015102.GP3072@sym.noone.org>
	<878wxcubf1.fsf@jeremyms.com> <20080611120039.GE3346@sym.noone.org>
Message-ID: <874p80tb4t.fsf@jeremyms.com>

Axel Beckert <abe at deuxchevaux.org> writes:

> Hi,
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 07:18:10PM -0400, Jeremy Maitin-Shepard wrote:
>> Thanks for creating a Debian package for Conkeror.  Hopefully it will
>> help increase the Conkeror userbase.  After looking over the package, I
>> have just a few comments:
>> 
>> 1. The conkeror.xulapp file should not be included, as it is used only
>> for a particular method of installing Conkeror, and is not needed
>> after that.

> Already noticed that. This, and some more things of that kind, are
> already fixed in my packaging repository[1] and will be fixed with the
> next release of the package.

>   [1] http://noone.org/hg/conkeror/debian -- I currently use Mercurial
>       (hg), but will probably switch to git which can make things
>       easier because conkeror itself uses git.

It might be slightly easier if you used included the conkeror repository
in your packaging repository via git submodules, or alternatively used
the subtree merge strategy.

As far as I understand (I've never used them myself), submodules should
do exactly what you need, but their use is somewhat complicated.

>> 2. The -help command-line option is actually handled by xulrunner
>> itself, and merely displays the canned xulrunner usage
>> information.

> Seems so, yes.

>> The -width and -height options advertised are not actually
>> functional,

> Noticed that, too. It's a known bug in Mozilla since 2000. :-(

>> so they should be removed from the man page. 

> I will include hints in the --help output as well as the man page
> pointing to the bug reports I posted already to the list.

The only bug, though, is that the options are listed in the --help
output.  There isn't anything in Mozilla that could be fixed to support
those options --- Conkeror itself would need to handle them and do
something with them.

One other suggestion I have is that you include somewhere in the package
the commit name (hash) of the version of Conkeror that is incorporated,
so that in the case of bug reports it is easier to know exactly what
version the user has.  Possibly a place to include it would be
application.ini, setting BuildID to the actual commit name instead of
the string "git".  (This is done automatically by the build.sh script in
preparing the xulapp file, but your Debian package doesn't make use of
the xulapp files.)

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

From abe at deuxchevaux.org  Wed Jun 11 05:53:18 2008
From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:53:18 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] Debian packages and man page for conkeror
In-Reply-To: <874p80tb4t.fsf@jeremyms.com>
References: <20080609015102.GP3072@sym.noone.org> <878wxcubf1.fsf@jeremyms.com>
	<20080611120039.GE3346@sym.noone.org> <874p80tb4t.fsf@jeremyms.com>
Message-ID: <20080611125318.GF3346@sym.noone.org>

Hi,

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 08:21:54AM -0400, Jeremy Maitin-Shepard wrote:
> >   [1] http://noone.org/hg/conkeror/debian -- I currently use Mercurial
> >       (hg), but will probably switch to git which can make things
> >       easier because conkeror itself uses git.
> 
> It might be slightly easier if you used included the conkeror repository
> in your packaging repository via git submodules, or alternatively used
> the subtree merge strategy.

I plan to use git-buildpackage which takes care of the combination of
upstream and packaging repositories.

> >> The -width and -height options advertised are not actually
> >> functional,
> 
> > Noticed that, too. It's a known bug in Mozilla since 2000. :-(
> 
> >> so they should be removed from the man page. 
> 
> > I will include hints in the --help output as well as the man page
> > pointing to the bug reports I posted already to the list.
> 
> The only bug, though, is that the options are listed in the --help
> output.  There isn't anything in Mozilla that could be fixed to support
> those options

Ok.

> Conkeror itself would need to handle them and do something with
> them.

Will it?

Anyway, I can make them disappear completely in the wrapper until
Conkeror supports them.

> One other suggestion I have is that you include somewhere in the
> package the commit name (hash) of the version of Conkeror that is
> incorporated, so that in the case of bug reports it is easier to
> know exactly what version the user has. Possibly a place to include
> it would be application.ini, setting BuildID to the actual commit
> name instead of the string "git". (This is done automatically by the
> build.sh script in preparing the xulapp file, but your Debian
> package doesn't make use of the xulapp files.)

Good idea. I currently see two possibilities: Either package version
(which would look very ugly, e.g. "0.9~git080522-abcdef0123456789"[2],
but visible in bug reports) and changelog, which would be more decent,
but less obvious. I'll think about it.

  [2] Can't take the commit hash solely since I need a always
      increasing version name.

BTW: Conkeror itself reports version 0.9 with -version. What's
actually the idea behind this? I see three possible interpretations:

+ 0.9 means "not yet 1.0", but there will never be a 0.9 release
  ("just snapshots" or "0.9 means it's a snapshot")

+ The project works towards a 0.9 release ("pre-0.9 snapshots")

+ The last release which has been made (not publically, if so) was 0.9
  ("0.9 plus snapshots").

>From what I know about the project, I guess it's "just snapshots", no
0.9 release neither in the past nor a planned 0.9 release in the
future (yet).

Thanks for all the feedback!

		Regards, Axel
-- 
Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/

From n.goaziou at neuf.fr  Wed Jun 11 10:35:14 2008
From: n.goaziou at neuf.fr (Nicolas Goaziou)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:35:14 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] strange keyboard behavior
Message-ID: <8763sfoox9.fsf@selenimh.orion.org>

Hello,

I'm using Conkeror's snapshot from git and I cannot follow links using
numbers. Nothing happens when I type f 1 in the minibuffer, although I
still can use text (i.e. f t h i s from tutorial).

Furthermore, when I want to change hint class, say m 0, the mapping of
my keyboard becomes wrong. That is, I type "m 0" and an error tells me
"m ) is undefined".

Am I doing something silly here ? Has someone a solution for that
problem ? I have no fancy conkerorrc btw, just some shortcuts.

Thanks for your time.

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou

From jeremy at jeremyms.com  Wed Jun 11 10:51:48 2008
From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:51:48 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] strange keyboard behavior
In-Reply-To: <8763sfoox9.fsf@selenimh.orion.org> (Nicolas Goaziou's message of
	"Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:35:14 +0200")
References: <8763sfoox9.fsf@selenimh.orion.org>
Message-ID: <87bq27lv0r.fsf@jeremyms.com>

Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou at neuf.fr> writes:

> Hello,
> I'm using Conkeror's snapshot from git and I cannot follow links using
> numbers. Nothing happens when I type f 1 in the minibuffer, although I
> still can use text (i.e. f t h i s from tutorial).

> Furthermore, when I want to change hint class, say m 0, the mapping of
> my keyboard becomes wrong. That is, I type "m 0" and an error tells me
> "m ) is undefined".

> Am I doing something silly here ? Has someone a solution for that
> problem ? I have no fancy conkerorrc btw, just some shortcuts.

The problem is likely due to you having a non-US keyboard layout.  Due
to a workaround in Conkeror for a limitation in Mozilla's keyboard
handling, Conkeror needs to know some information about your keyboard
map.  Use the M-x keyboard-setup command or alternatively the
-keyboard-setup command-line option to Conkeror to update your keyboard
map.  That will bring up a window with instructions.

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

From trentbuck at gmail.com  Wed Jun 11 20:58:09 2008
From: trentbuck at gmail.com (Trent W. Buck)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:58:09 +1000
Subject: [Conkeror] white-on-black colour schemes
References: <613b861a0806100022k14386c3bo2d75c9420a939c9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30iqwfjodq.fsf@Clio.twb.ath.cx>


> Subject: Re: Feature request/question

This subject is horribly vague.

A.W. <gzeusmants at gmail.com> writes:
> Is it possible to make text input boxes white-on-black as opposed to
> black on white?

I don't know about conkeror specifically, but I've noticed other gecko
browsers get their form widget colour schemes from GTK,
i.e. ~/.gtkrc-2.0.  Here's the white-on-black gtkrc I use:

    http://cyber.com.au/~twb/Preferences/.gtkrc-2.0

I adopted midori as one of my browsers, and it can't do white-on-black
in any sensible fashion (you have to craft user CSS by hand, and that
CSS then fights page authors' CSS).

Therefore I adopted a generic approach of inverting the entire X
display.  To achieve this I reverse the gamma ramp using this simple C
script (delete the shebang line to compile with cc):

    http://cyber.com.au/~twb/Preferences/.bin/xdark

This conveniently *doesn't* requiring a compositing WM, and works for
PDF and browser canvasses.  The down side is that images are inverted,
so I typically toggle it off when I look at photographs.

> I'd ask how to change the default display colors, but I KNOW that
> would muck up websites that aren't explicit but should be.

It certainly leads to loss of information when you discard author CSS
and force white-on-black at the CSS level; for example, zebra striping
in tables.


From bleader at ratonland.org  Thu Jun 12 01:27:17 2008
From: bleader at ratonland.org (bleader at ratonland.org)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:27:17 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Conkeror] strange keyboard behavior
In-Reply-To: <8763sfoox9.fsf@selenimh.orion.org>
References: <8763sfoox9.fsf@selenimh.orion.org>
Message-ID: <36029.81.149.1.146.1213259237.squirrel@ratonland.org>

That is due to your keyboard layout, given you mail address I assume
you're using azerty, I've already seend people on IRC having troubles with
other layout where 132456890 aren't the default row for number.

Did you tried to shift the number key as if you were typing them properly
in azerty ?

I don't seen any quick solution to avoid the need for shift in this case,
maybe someone else will.

Hope that may help you.

> Hello,
>
> I'm using Conkeror's snapshot from git and I cannot follow links using
> numbers. Nothing happens when I type f 1 in the minibuffer, although I
> still can use text (i.e. f t h i s from tutorial).
>
> Furthermore, when I want to change hint class, say m 0, the mapping of
> my keyboard becomes wrong. That is, I type "m 0" and an error tells me
> "m ) is undefined".
>
> Am I doing something silly here ? Has someone a solution for that
> problem ? I have no fancy conkerorrc btw, just some shortcuts.
>
> Thanks for your time.
>
> --
> Nicolas Goaziou
> _______________________________________________
> Conkeror mailing list
> Conkeror at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror
>



From bleader at ratonland.org  Thu Jun 12 01:28:13 2008
From: bleader at ratonland.org (bleader at ratonland.org)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:28:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Conkeror] strange keyboard behavior
In-Reply-To: <36029.81.149.1.146.1213259237.squirrel@ratonland.org>
References: <8763sfoox9.fsf@selenimh.orion.org>
	<36029.81.149.1.146.1213259237.squirrel@ratonland.org>
Message-ID: <51174.81.149.1.146.1213259293.squirrel@ratonland.org>

Sorry answered without reading other mails in the thread...

> That is due to your keyboard layout, given you mail address I assume
> you're using azerty, I've already seend people on IRC having troubles with
> other layout where 132456890 aren't the default row for number.
>
> Did you tried to shift the number key as if you were typing them properly
> in azerty ?
>
> I don't seen any quick solution to avoid the need for shift in this case,
> maybe someone else will.
>
> Hope that may help you.
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm using Conkeror's snapshot from git and I cannot follow links using
>> numbers. Nothing happens when I type f 1 in the minibuffer, although I
>> still can use text (i.e. f t h i s from tutorial).
>>
>> Furthermore, when I want to change hint class, say m 0, the mapping of
>> my keyboard becomes wrong. That is, I type "m 0" and an error tells me
>> "m ) is undefined".
>>
>> Am I doing something silly here ? Has someone a solution for that
>> problem ? I have no fancy conkerorrc btw, just some shortcuts.
>>
>> Thanks for your time.
>>
>> --
>> Nicolas Goaziou
>> _______________________________________________
>> Conkeror mailing list
>> Conkeror at mozdev.org
>> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Conkeror mailing list
> Conkeror at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror
>



From n.goaziou at neuf.fr  Thu Jun 12 05:07:04 2008
From: n.goaziou at neuf.fr (Nicolas Goaziou)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:07:04 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] strange keyboard behavior
In-Reply-To: <51174.81.149.1.146.1213259293.squirrel@ratonland.org>
	(bleader@ratonland.org's message of "Thu\,
	12 Jun 2008 10\:28\:13 +0200 \(CEST\)")
References: <8763sfoox9.fsf@selenimh.orion.org>
	<36029.81.149.1.146.1213259237.squirrel@ratonland.org>
	<51174.81.149.1.146.1213259293.squirrel@ratonland.org>
Message-ID: <874p7y7t7b.fsf@selenimh.orion.org>

It was indeed due to my foreign keyboard. I used the keyboard-setup
function and it is working quite fine right now. Thus I thank you for
yours answers.

As a side note, I have needed to omit all the non-shifted numbers row.
Moreover, some keys are simply not taken into account (i.e. "?") but
that's still fine.

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou

From tramsey at gmail.com  Thu Jun 12 05:44:40 2008
From: tramsey at gmail.com (Tim Ramsey)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:44:40 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] Feature request / Hint request
Message-ID: <7ec0d6ae0806120544l98cd0cey408bcd80ce18565f@mail.gmail.com>

A minor feature that I would find nice is to have C-n and C-p work in the
switch-to-buffer (C-x b) pop-up list.  Currently the "arrow up" and "arrow
down" keys work fine to select another buffer.  Consistency would dictate
that C-n and C-p work as well.

Being relatively proficient at Java Script (but completely newbie with
Conkeror) I would be more than happy to investigate how to make this change
if someone could give me a hint as to where to start looking.

Thanks,
-Timm
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From nelhage at MIT.EDU  Thu Jun 12 08:42:30 2008
From: nelhage at MIT.EDU (Nelson Elhage)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:42:30 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] Feature request / Hint request
In-Reply-To: <7ec0d6ae0806120544l98cd0cey408bcd80ce18565f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7ec0d6ae0806120544l98cd0cey408bcd80ce18565f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080612154230.GJ32270@mit.edu>

I just pushed this change. (It's a two-line patch to
bindings/default/minibuffer.js, if you're curious)

- Nelson

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 08:44:40AM -0400, Tim Ramsey wrote:
> A minor feature that I would find nice is to have C-n and C-p work in the
> switch-to-buffer (C-x b) pop-up list.  Currently the "arrow up" and "arrow
> down" keys work fine to select another buffer.  Consistency would dictate that
> C-n and C-p work as well.
> 
> Being relatively proficient at Java Script (but completely newbie with
> Conkeror) I would be more than happy to investigate how to make this change if
> someone could give me a hint as to where to start looking.
> 
> Thanks,
> -Timm

> _______________________________________________
> Conkeror mailing list
> Conkeror at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror


From abe at deuxchevaux.org  Thu Jun 12 08:48:57 2008
From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:48:57 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] And how do you rename a bookmark?
In-Reply-To: <6ae416730805290519r2a884edp521d139835ec60d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1211928747.1142.1255371907@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<87iqwzz73v.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu> <87skw2sxnf.fsf_-_@baldur.tsdh.de>
	<87abiaz8gg.fsf@kamaloka.dhatu> <87iqwys3id.fsf@baldur.tsdh.de>
	<6ae416730805290519r2a884edp521d139835ec60d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080612154857.GH3346@sym.noone.org>

Hi,

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 02:19:01PM +0200, Martin Dybdal wrote:
> If you have the Firefox 3.0 beta, then you can copy the
> ~/.conkeror.mozdev.org/conkeror/<profile>/places.sqlite into your
> Firefox profile (remember to backup the existing places.sqlite file
> there, if you don't want to loose anything). Then you can use the
> Firefox bookmark manager to delete/change/add files and then copy the
> updated places.sqlite file back into the conkeror profile. The
> places.sqlite both contains bookmarks and browsing history.

JFTR: Just tried that. Works fine, but only if really just copy
places.sqlite. If you copy the whole profiles folder from conkeror to
firefox (or iceweasel), the bookmarks seem to be only available in the
history.

		Regards, Axel
-- 
Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/

From aditya_siram at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 12 10:48:35 2008
From: aditya_siram at hotmail.com (Aditya Siram)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:48:35 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] Emulating Mouse with Keyboard in X
Message-ID: <BLU108-W5516F9E0D55919A30FEEC8F4AD0@phx.gbl>


The following might be useful to you when a mouse becomes necessary in Conkeror (for example, when a Google Video blocks Conkeror key-presses). 

Under X in Linux, Ctrl-Shift-Numlock turns your Numpad into a mouse pointer for a little while. Here is a excerpt from the "Mouse Under X" article (http://www.mandrivaclub.com/xwiki/bin/view/KB/XwinXmouse) with instructions:
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Keyboard Mouse

X comes with a keyboard mouse, activated by pressing CTRL-SHIFT-NUMLOCK. Now the keypad will emulate mouse actions:

    * : moves mouse pointer upward
    * : moves pointer to the left
    * : moves pointer to the right
    * : moves pointer downward
    * : emulates pressing mouse button 1
    * <->: changes the emulated mouse button
    * : enters 'click and hold' mode (e.g. for drag and drop)
    * : emulates a double-click

The emulated movement is very slow, but you can increase its speed considerably by pressing any other key while moving. This takes some exercise, though? Note that this features times out after a while, so you might have to press CTRL-SHIFT-NUMLOCK again to reactivate it.
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From abe at deuxchevaux.org  Thu Jun 12 10:59:58 2008
From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:59:58 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] Emulating Mouse with Keyboard in X
In-Reply-To: <BLU108-W5516F9E0D55919A30FEEC8F4AD0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU108-W5516F9E0D55919A30FEEC8F4AD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20080612175958.GI3346@sym.noone.org>

Hi,

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:48:35PM -0500, Aditya Siram wrote:
> The following might be useful to you when a mouse becomes necessary
> in Conkeror (for example, when a Google Video blocks Conkeror
> key-presses). 

There's another tool, called keynav:
http://www.semicomplete.com/projects/keynav/ (available in Debian
Lenny and Sid)

It works more like tiling the screen into smaller and smaller pieces
until the selected screen part covers those pixels you want to hit.

		Regards, Axel
-- 
Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/

From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Thu Jun 12 18:50:24 2008
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (A.W.)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:50:24 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] white-on-black colour schemes
Message-ID: <613b861a0806121850j23e7058cs2037f443f3e1cb05@mail.gmail.com>

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: trentbuck at gmail.com (Trent W. Buck)
> To: conkeror at mozdev.org
> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:58:09 +1000
> Subject: Re: [Conkeror] white-on-black colour schemes
>
>> Subject: Re: Feature request/question
>
> This subject is horribly vague.
>
You are correct. I have a bad habit of not proofreading my subjects. I
should do something about that.
> A.W. <gzeusmants at gmail.com> writes:
>> Is it possible to make text input boxes white-on-black as opposed to
>> black on white?
>
> I don't know about conkeror specifically, but I've noticed other gecko
> browsers get their form widget colour schemes from GTK,
> i.e. ~/.gtkrc-2.0.  Here's the white-on-black gtkrc I use:
>
>    http://cyber.com.au/~twb/Preferences/.gtkrc-2.0
>
That works fantastically.
Invisible scrollbars, but it's not like I'm using them alot.
Danke Schoen(no umlauts on this 'board)
????????????
Thank ya much.
> I adopted midori as one of my browsers, and it can't do white-on-black
> in any sensible fashion (you have to craft user CSS by hand, and that
> CSS then fights page authors' CSS).
>
> Therefore I adopted a generic approach of inverting the entire X
> display.  To achieve this I reverse the gamma ramp using this simple C
> script (delete the shebang line to compile with cc):
>
>    http://cyber.com.au/~twb/Preferences/.bin/xdark
>
> This conveniently *doesn't* requiring a compositing WM, and works for
> PDF and browser canvasses.  The down side is that images are inverted,
> so I typically toggle it off when I look at photographs.
>
That is not an option for me, sadly.
I always have anime playing in a little frame.
Wait, I use SMplayer. mplayer has an invert option...
I'll star this email for later review.
>> I'd ask how to change the default display colors, but I KNOW that
>> would muck up websites that aren't explicit but should be.
>
> It certainly leads to loss of information when you discard author CSS
> and force white-on-black at the CSS level; for example, zebra striping
> in tables.
>
Good point.

From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Thu Jun 12 23:29:57 2008
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (A.W.)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:29:57 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] white-on-black colour schemes
Message-ID: <613b861a0806122329m164c969ak1ac802f7d0d9def1@mail.gmail.com>

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: trentbuck at gmail.com (Trent W. Buck)
> To: conkeror at mozdev.org
> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:58:09 +1000
> Subject: Re: [Conkeror] white-on-black colour schemes
>
>> Subject: Re: Feature request/question
>
> This subject is horribly vague.
>
> A.W. <gzeusmants at gmail.com> writes:
>> Is it possible to make text input boxes white-on-black as opposed to
>> black on white?
>
> I don't know about conkeror specifically, but I've noticed other gecko
> browsers get their form widget colour schemes from GTK,
> i.e. ~/.gtkrc-2.0.  Here's the white-on-black gtkrc I use:
>
>    http://cyber.com.au/~twb/Preferences/.gtkrc-2.0
>
> I adopted midori as one of my browsers, and it can't do white-on-black
> in any sensible fashion (you have to craft user CSS by hand, and that
> CSS then fights page authors' CSS).
>
>...
Final question/problem. Viewing source on a web page still blasts me
with blinding whiteness second only to my gmail which I am addicted
to.
No, it's not all that bad, but it's one more thing that breaks my
concentration, and does indeed hurt my eyes... because I've yet to get
around to getting glasses... ;-_-

From nelhage at MIT.EDU  Thu Jun 12 23:33:03 2008
From: nelhage at MIT.EDU (Nelson Elhage)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 02:33:03 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] white-on-black colour schemes
In-Reply-To: <613b861a0806122329m164c969ak1ac802f7d0d9def1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <613b861a0806122329m164c969ak1ac802f7d0d9def1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080613063303.GL32270@mit.edu>

This may not be the answer you're looking for, but you can set
view_source_use_external_editor=true; and use an external editor with
a more customizeable color scheme. I personally (probably
unsurprisingly...) have my $EDITOR set to emacsclient and use it for
viewing source.

- Nelson

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 01:29:57AM -0500, A.W. wrote:
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: trentbuck at gmail.com (Trent W. Buck)
> > To: conkeror at mozdev.org
> > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:58:09 +1000
> > Subject: Re: [Conkeror] white-on-black colour schemes
> >
> >> Subject: Re: Feature request/question
> >
> > This subject is horribly vague.
> >
> > A.W. <gzeusmants at gmail.com> writes:
> >> Is it possible to make text input boxes white-on-black as opposed to
> >> black on white?
> >
> > I don't know about conkeror specifically, but I've noticed other gecko
> > browsers get their form widget colour schemes from GTK,
> > i.e. ~/.gtkrc-2.0.  Here's the white-on-black gtkrc I use:
> >
> >    http://cyber.com.au/~twb/Preferences/.gtkrc-2.0
> >
> > I adopted midori as one of my browsers, and it can't do white-on-black
> > in any sensible fashion (you have to craft user CSS by hand, and that
> > CSS then fights page authors' CSS).
> >
> >...
> Final question/problem. Viewing source on a web page still blasts me
> with blinding whiteness second only to my gmail which I am addicted
> to.
> No, it's not all that bad, but it's one more thing that breaks my
> concentration, and does indeed hurt my eyes... because I've yet to get
> around to getting glasses... ;-_-
> _______________________________________________
> Conkeror mailing list
> Conkeror at mozdev.org
> https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/conkeror

From trentbuck at gmail.com  Sat Jun 14 00:45:02 2008
From: trentbuck at gmail.com (Trent W. Buck)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:45:02 +1000
Subject: [Conkeror] Emulating Mouse with Keyboard in X
References: <BLU108-W5516F9E0D55919A30FEEC8F4AD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <30abho4g01.fsf@Clio.twb.ath.cx>

Aditya Siram <aditya_siram at hotmail.com> writes:
> The following might be useful to you when a mouse becomes necessary in
> Conkeror (for example, when a Google Video blocks Conkeror
> key-presses).

More accurately, when the filthy proprietary Flash plugin acquires a
full keyboard grab whenever the pointer is over the its canvas area.
IME banishing the pointer to the bottom right corner (or at least moving
the pointer out of the canvas area) allows you to continue using the
keyboard.

> Under X in Linux, Ctrl-Shift-Numlock turns your Numpad into a mouse
> pointer for a little while. Here is a excerpt from the "Mouse Under X"
> article (http://www.mandrivaclub.com/xwiki/bin/view/KB/XwinXmouse)
> with instructions:
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Keyboard Mouse
>
> X comes with a keyboard mouse, activated by pressing
> CTRL-SHIFT-NUMLOCK.
>
>     * : emulates pressing mouse button 1
>     * <->: changes the emulated mouse button
>     * : enters 'click and hold' mode (e.g. for drag and drop)
>     * : emulates a double-click

Here, at least, the bindings are (all on the numeric keypad):

- 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9 move the pointer.
- /, * and - make left, middle and right (respectively) the current button.
- 5 single-clicks the current button
- + double-clicks the current button
- 0 click-and-holds the current button
- . releases click-and-hold

> The emulated movement is very slow,

IME that is caused by running GNOME; in an empty X session (that is,
NOTHING running, except possibly an xvt), I find that the default mouse
emulation acceleration and max velocity values are considerably larger.

I think "running GNOME" specifically means "when gnome-settings-daemon
is/was running".

There's a command-line tool to change the acceleration and max velocity
properties, but I don't remember what it is.  (GNOME users obviously
have to fight gconf instead.)

>  Note that this features times out after a while, so you might have to
>  press CTRL-SHIFT-NUMLOCK again to reactivate it.

That may also be a GNOME "feature".  I've never noticed mouse emulation
disabling itself.


From trentbuck at gmail.com  Sat Jun 14 00:59:59 2008
From: trentbuck at gmail.com (Trent W. Buck)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:59:59 +1000
Subject: [Conkeror] white-on-black colour schemes
References: <613b861a0806121850j23e7058cs2037f443f3e1cb05@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30y75830qo.fsf@Clio.twb.ath.cx>

A.W. <gzeusmants at gmail.com> writes:
>>    http://cyber.com.au/~twb/Preferences/.gtkrc-2.0
> Invisible scrollbars, but it's not like I'm using them alot.

That is probably because you do not have the Industrial and/or High
Contrast engines installed.  In Debian, you'll need these packages:
gtk2-engines (>= 2.10) gnome-accessibility-themes librsvg2-common.


From trentbuck at gmail.com  Sat Jun 14 01:03:41 2008
From: trentbuck at gmail.com (Trent W. Buck)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:03:41 +1000
Subject: [Conkeror] white-on-black colour schemes
References: <613b861a0806122329m164c969ak1ac802f7d0d9def1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30prqk30ki.fsf@Clio.twb.ath.cx>

A.W. <gzeusmants at gmail.com> writes:
>> I don't know about conkeror specifically, but I've noticed other gecko
>> browsers get their form widget colour schemes from GTK,
>> i.e. ~/.gtkrc-2.0.  Here's the white-on-black gtkrc I use:
>>
>>    http://cyber.com.au/~twb/Preferences/.gtkrc-2.0
>>
> Final question/problem. Viewing source on a web page still blasts me
> with blinding whiteness

Can't help there; I use w3m-el for "view source" functionality.
Probably you can configure Conkeror to view source in emacsclient,
rather than using a view-source: URL?

> second only to my gmail which I am addicted to.

You can use IMAP or POP to access gmail with a conventional MUA (which
can be white-on-black).  JFGI for details.

> No, it's not all that bad, but it's one more thing that breaks my
> concentration, and does indeed hurt my eyes...

As someone said on the Debian BTS: "would you stare at a light bulb for
eight hours a day?  That's what a black-on-white backlit LCD amounts
to."


From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 02:16:52 2008
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (A.W.)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 04:16:52 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] white-on-black colour schemes
Message-ID: <613b861a0806150216oaea9ecenea51992b9c44b67e@mail.gmail.com>

This sounds like a decent argument for an integrated mail reader, but
I should probably just set GNUS up...
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: trentbuck at gmail.com (Trent W. Buck)
> To: conkeror at mozdev.org
> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:03:41 +1000
> Subject: Re: [Conkeror] white-on-black colour schemes
> A.W. <gzeusmants at gmail.com> writes:
>>> I don't know about conkeror specifically, but I've noticed other gecko
>>> browsers get their form widget colour schemes from GTK,
>>> i.e. ~/.gtkrc-2.0.  Here's the white-on-black gtkrc I use:
>>>
>>>    http://cyber.com.au/~twb/Preferences/.gtkrc-2.0
>>>
>> Final question/problem. Viewing source on a web page still blasts me
>> with blinding whiteness
>
> Can't help there; I use w3m-el for "view source" functionality.
> Probably you can configure Conkeror to view source in emacsclient,
> rather than using a view-source: URL?
>
>> second only to my gmail which I am addicted to.
>
> You can use IMAP or POP to access gmail with a conventional MUA (which
> can be white-on-black).  JFGI for details.
>
>> No, it's not all that bad, but it's one more thing that breaks my
>> concentration, and does indeed hurt my eyes...
>
> As someone said on the Debian BTS: "would you stare at a light bulb for
> eight hours a day?  That's what a black-on-white backlit LCD amounts
> to."

From abe at deuxchevaux.org  Sun Jun 15 05:34:58 2008
From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:34:58 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] Symlink attack possible against conkeror /
	spawn-process-helper
In-Reply-To: <87zlpuy1fe.fsf@jeremyms.com>
References: <20080609160631.GX3072@sym.noone.org> <87zlpuy1fe.fsf@jeremyms.com>
Message-ID: <20080615123458.GP3346@sym.noone.org>

Hi,

On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 01:15:49PM -0400, Jeremy Maitin-Shepard wrote:
> > conkeror respectively spawn-process-helper uses easily predictable
> > files names ("/tmp/$FIELDNAME.txt") to spawn external editors. This
> > allows to run symlink attacks[1] against conkeror.
> > [...]
> > Unfortunately I haven't found the point where the file names are
> > generated, so I currently can't offer a patch for this issue. It looks
> > as if it's outside spawn-process-helper, though, so it's either
> > somewhere in conkeror or somewhere in xulrunner.
> 
> This is actually not a security risk, because the file is opened using
> the O_EXCL option, which will fail if a symlink exists.

Right. Should have either tried it or found the right point in code
before complaining. :)

Not even Denial-of-Service attacks seem possible, I get
/tmp/comment-1.txt now that a symlink exists. (This time tested! ;-)

Thanks for clarifying this.

I though have the bad feeling that once someone will argue again about
this... But we'll see. :-)

		Regards, Axel
-- 
Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/

From lenbok+mlconkeror at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 18:00:09 2008
From: lenbok+mlconkeror at gmail.com (lenbok+mlconkeror at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:00:09 +1200
Subject: [Conkeror] Emulating Mouse with Keyboard in X
In-Reply-To: <30abho4g01.fsf@Clio.twb.ath.cx>
References: <BLU108-W5516F9E0D55919A30FEEC8F4AD0@phx.gbl>	<30abho4g01.fsf@Clio.twb.ath.cx>
Message-ID: <hbzlpm2nza.wl%len@netvalue.net.nz>

Trent W. Buck wrote:
> More accurately, when the filthy proprietary Flash plugin acquires a
> full keyboard grab whenever the pointer is over the its canvas area.
> IME banishing the pointer to the bottom right corner (or at least moving
> the pointer out of the canvas area) allows you to continue using the
> keyboard.

I have a script banish.sh bound to one of those multimedia keys on my
keyboard.  It uses wmctrl (with a small patch) to determine
coordinates of the active window, and symox to move the mouse pointer
to the bottom right of it.  I use it to prevent flash getting the
keyboard in the first place, but it could easily call the conkeror
unfocus command I saw mentioned a while back on the list.  I can send
the script/patch if anyone is interested.

Cheers,
Len.

From ron at ronmitchell.co.uk  Mon Jun 16 04:32:10 2008
From: ron at ronmitchell.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:32:10 +0100
Subject: [Conkeror] High CPU
In-Reply-To: <484F3648.8090401@microcomaustralia.com.au>
References: <1213111342.28989.1257715131@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<484F3648.8090401@microcomaustralia.com.au>
Message-ID: <1213615930.21929.1258670633@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Brian,

Thanks for your response, which I only just picked up (been a bit busy).

According to "about:plugins" I do have a flash plugin installed, among
other plugins.  I don't know how to un-install or disable them to test
the theory though.

However I get high CPU without any flash activity happening on screen. 
For example, if I simply fire up Conkeror and let it sit on the initial
help screen ("Conkeror User Manual"), CPU usage hovers around 60%.

I'm browsing through a proxy server; could that be relevant?

Ron


----- Original message -----
From: "Brian May" <brian at microcomaustralia.com.au>
To: "Ron Mitchell" <ron at ronmitchell.co.uk>
Cc: Conkeror at mozdev.org
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:19:52 +1000
Subject: Re: [Conkeror] High CPU

Ron Mitchell wrote:
> When I run conkeror on Windows XP the Task Manager shows its CPU usage
> fluctuating between 60% and 80%.  I have to keep closing it down because
> it impacts the performance of other applications I need to run (MS
> Office, sadly).
>
> Is the high CPU normal at this stage of conkeror's development, or is
> there something amiss with my setup?
>   
Are you sure it is Conkeror, and not say, the flash plugin?

Conkeror itself should not be using so much CPU.

Brian May

From brian at microcomaustralia.com.au  Mon Jun 16 17:16:29 2008
From: brian at microcomaustralia.com.au (Brian May)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:16:29 +1000
Subject: [Conkeror] white-on-black colour schemes
In-Reply-To: <30prqk30ki.fsf@Clio.twb.ath.cx>
References: <613b861a0806122329m164c969ak1ac802f7d0d9def1@mail.gmail.com>
	<30prqk30ki.fsf@Clio.twb.ath.cx>
Message-ID: <4857025D.7050401@microcomaustralia.com.au>

Trent W. Buck wrote:
> As someone said on the Debian BTS: "would you stare at a light bulb for
> eight hours a day?  That's what a black-on-white backlit LCD amounts
> to."
>   
I have heard it said that studies have shown the opposite - that it is 
less stressful looking at black-on-white then white-on-black. That is 
why they have changed air-traffic-control systems from a black 
background (that is what the technology supported) to a white background 
(because white is supposedly easier on the eyes, as it is more like paper).

Not that I agree...

Brian May

From pdm at zamazal.org  Mon Jun 16 23:33:21 2008
From: pdm at zamazal.org (Milan Zamazal)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:33:21 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] High CPU
References: <1213111342.28989.1257715131@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<484F3648.8090401@microcomaustralia.com.au>
	<1213615930.21929.1258670633@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <87zlpkh8pa.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org>

I used to have similar problems, but they've disappeared with newer
versions of xulrunner I think.  I use xulrunner 1.9rc1 from
Debian/experimental now and there are no problems with high CPU usage.
But your case may be different.

Regards,

Milan Zamazal

-- 
http://www.zamazal.org


From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 12:27:43 2008
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (A.W.)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:27:43 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] white-on-black colour schemes
Message-ID: <613b861a0806171227m4a7b90d7j2b5cdb9fdb27bc57@mail.gmail.com>

This sounds like an argument of aesthetics VS ergonomics.
it's certainly more 'natural' to think of dark writing on light
material. It's what's been done for 10s of thousands of years. The
reason for it's is simple: it's what was available. Charcoal on rocks,
etc. white materials that would be used like ink are less common,
harder to make into 'ink' but ultimately how many black materials are
there to write on? I can only think of one: a chalkboard (slate).
I remember when I moved from a school with chalkboards to a school
with a whiteboard it just SUCKED. I couldn't stand looking at it
because it was so damned bright (flouresent lights off of a white
surface... mmm brain pain) and shiny (can't be porous). Then there's
the stench, and pollution from markers, but that's off point.

People are stressed easily by what they're not used to.
Me, I'm a bit autistic, and we tend to (over)react to sensory stimuli,
such as bright lights/colors, loud/sudden sounds. I have no audio
notification on, as well. (crap, I need to set modprobe -r pcspkr in
an init script..)

Easier on the mind VS easier on the eyes...
People will go "dammit, this is nothing like what I'd see normally(on
paper)!" all day if they don't make an effort to adjust mentally.
Doesn't mean that it's actually ergonomically correct...

Note: everything above is gleaned from personal experience,
conversations, and the rest pulled from my ass.
That said, a study can be made to say anything. I'd like to read those
studies myself, because I've been bored.
GOD, my eyes... first opthamologist appt in like 20 years in an hour.
last person in my family over 10 years old to get glasses.

> I have heard it said that studies have shown the opposite - that it is less stressful looking at black-on-white then white-on-black. That is why they have changed air-traffic-control systems from a black background (that is what the technology supported) to a white background (because white is supposedly easier on the eyes, as it is more like paper).
>
> Not that I agree...
>
> Brian May

From avarab at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 14:14:51 2008
From: avarab at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=C3=86var_Arnfj=C3=B6r=C3=B0_Bjarmason?=)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:14:51 +0000
Subject: [Conkeror] [REQUEST] Add `c' for copy on download dialogs
Message-ID: <51dd1af80806171414pcb73aa8p95dab84ba2f2e758@mail.gmail.com>

Some pages like http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/firefox/ have a
download dialog that uses a redirect, I'd like to follow the link and
once I've been redirected get the URL for use. Adding `c' to the
download dialog for copying the URL to the clipboard would be very
useful.

From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Wed Jun 18 10:46:06 2008
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (A.W.)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:46:06 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] simple (Probably) error: "cannot read application.ini"
Message-ID: <613b861a0806181046j5debc172g1ba5bab7292e1b5c@mail.gmail.com>

I do a system-wide install of conkeror using the install script, but
when I updated last night I now get that error.
So now I'm typing this in iceweasel... I miss my keyboard shortcuts...

From jeremy at jeremyms.com  Wed Jun 18 10:56:14 2008
From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:56:14 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] simple (Probably) error: "cannot read
	application.ini"
In-Reply-To: <613b861a0806181046j5debc172g1ba5bab7292e1b5c@mail.gmail.com>
	(A. W.'s message of "Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:46:06 -0500")
References: <613b861a0806181046j5debc172g1ba5bab7292e1b5c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87myliwrsx.fsf@jeremyms.com>

"A.W." <gzeusmants at gmail.com> writes:

> I do a system-wide install of conkeror using the install script, but
> when I updated last night I now get that error.
> So now I'm typing this in iceweasel... I miss my keyboard shortcuts...

If possible try to go to the IRC channel #conkeror at irc.freenode.net
and we can try to help you interactively.

If you can't do that, though...

Just follow the instructions at http://conkeror.org/Installation

Note that you do not need to use the install script.  Instead, just
place the cloned git repository somewhere, e.g. /usr/lib/conkeror if you
want a system-wide install, run make, copy xulrunner-stub from wherever
xulrunner is installed to /usr/lib/conkeror/conkeror, then make a
symbolic link (note: a hard link will not work) from
e.g. /usr/bin/conkeror to /usr/lib/conkeror/conkeror.  Alternatively,
create a shell script at /usr/bin/conkeror that invokes
/usr/lib/conkeror/conkeror.

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

From dowaitodesu at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 10:23:55 2008
From: dowaitodesu at gmail.com (Dwight McDowell)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:23:55 -0600
Subject: [Conkeror] Commit policy?
Message-ID: <412b9e830806191023x62f46d91t7ee747da6c529a69@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have a mode line widget I'd like to submit to the project.
What is the procedure for pushing a diff to this project?

Thanks,

-DM
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From jeremy at jeremyms.com  Thu Jun 19 10:56:16 2008
From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:56:16 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] Commit policy?
In-Reply-To: <412b9e830806191023x62f46d91t7ee747da6c529a69@mail.gmail.com>
	(Dwight McDowell's message of "Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:23:55 -0600")
References: <412b9e830806191023x62f46d91t7ee747da6c529a69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87lk11qpfj.fsf@jeremyms.com>

"Dwight McDowell" <dowaitodesu at gmail.com> writes:

> Hi,
> I have a mode line widget I'd like to submit to the project.
> What is the procedure for pushing a diff to this project?

Contributions are much appreciated.

You can just send a patch (produced using e.g. git format-patch) to this
mailing list, or alternatively you could consider creating a public git
repository from which your changes can be obtained, and then when you
have something in there that you'd like to contribute, send a message to
the mailing list.

Alternatively, you can use IRC for communication.

You can also modify the CREDITS file to reflect your contribution.

Thanks

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

From dowaitodesu at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 13:52:09 2008
From: dowaitodesu at gmail.com (Dwight McDowell)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:52:09 -0600
Subject: [Conkeror] [PATCH 1/2] Added a modeline widget which displays
	current window width and height.
Message-ID: <412b9e830806191352h6e920aa0p155ddf77067d105f@mail.gmail.com>

 modules/mode-line.js |   16 ++++++++++++++++
 1 files changed, 16 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)

diff --git a/modules/mode-line.js b/modules/mode-line.js
index 1917159..0d451dc 100644
--- a/modules/mode-line.js
+++ b/modules/mode-line.js
@@ -144,6 +144,20 @@ current_buffer_name_widget.prototype.update = function
() {
     this.view.text = this.window.buffers.current.description;
 };

+function window_size_widget(window){
+  this.name = "window-size-widget";
+  text_widget.call(this, window);
+  this.add_hook("current_content_buffer_location_change_hook");
+  this.add_hook("select_buffer_hook");
+}
+window_size_widget.prototype.__proto__ = text_widget.prototype;
+window_size_widget.prototype.update = function() {
+  var topwin = this.window;
+  w = topwin.innerWidth;
+  h = topwin.innerHeight;
+  this.view.text = "[" + w + "x" + h + "]";
+};
+
 function current_buffer_scroll_position_widget(window) {
     this.name = "current-buffer-scroll-position-widget";
     text_widget.call(this, window);
@@ -197,8 +211,10 @@ function mode_line_adder(widget_constructor) {
     return function (window) { window.mode_line.add_text_widget(new
widget_constructor(window)); }
 }

+add_hook("mode_line_hook", mode_line_adder(window_size_widget));
 add_hook("mode_line_hook", mode_line_adder(current_buffer_name_widget));
 add_hook("mode_line_hook", mode_line_adder(clock_widget));
 add_hook("mode_line_hook",
mode_line_adder(current_buffer_scroll_position_widget));

+
 mode_line_mode(true);
-- 
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From dowaitodesu at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 13:52:47 2008
From: dowaitodesu at gmail.com (Dwight McDowell)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:52:47 -0600
Subject: [Conkeror] [PATCH 2/2] Added a modeline widget which displays
	current window width and height.
Message-ID: <412b9e830806191352o2624e456m1f5b32929f238744@mail.gmail.com>

 CREDITS              |    3 +++
 1 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
 mode change 100644 => 100755 CREDITS
 mode change 100644 => 100755 modules/mode-line.js

diff --git a/CREDITS b/CREDITS
old mode 100644
new mode 100755
index fd3acab..04653c0
--- a/CREDITS
+++ b/CREDITS
@@ -58,6 +58,9 @@ Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <jeremy at jeremyms com>
   - Implemented many of the built-in help facilities
   - Reimplemented many features from Vimperator in Conkeror

+Dwight McDowell <dowaitodesu at gmail com>
+  - Window size mode line widget
+
 Eli Naeher <enaeher at gmail.com>
   - Implemented better completion of URLs from history

diff --git a/modules/mode-line.js b/modules/mode-line.js
old mode 100644
new mode 100755
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From jeremy at jeremyms.com  Fri Jun 20 07:36:21 2008
From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:36:21 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] [PATCH 1/2] Added a modeline widget which displays
	current window width and height.
In-Reply-To: <412b9e830806191352h6e920aa0p155ddf77067d105f@mail.gmail.com>
	(Dwight McDowell's message of "Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:52:09 -0600")
References: <412b9e830806191352h6e920aa0p155ddf77067d105f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <873an8p40q.fsf@jeremyms.com>

"Dwight McDowell" <dowaitodesu at gmail.com> writes:

>  modules/mode-line.js |   16 ++++++++++++++++
>  1 files changed, 16 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)

> diff --git a/modules/mode-line.js b/modules/mode-line.js
> index 1917159..0d451dc 100644
> --- a/modules/mode-line.js
> +++ b/modules/mode-line.js
> @@ -144,6 +144,20 @@ current_buffer_name_widget.prototype.update = function
> () {
>      this.view.text = this.window.buffers.current.description;
>  };

> +function window_size_widget(window){
> +  this.name = "window-size-widget";
> +  text_widget.call(this, window);
> +  this.add_hook("current_content_buffer_location_change_hook");
> +  this.add_hook("select_buffer_hook");

I don't think these are the correct hooks to be adding for this widget.
Neither of these events should indicate a change in the window size.
Instead, you probably should add an event listener to the window for the
"resize" event, and remember to remove the handler in the destroy method
(and also call the "superclass" destroy method via
this.__proto__.__proto__.destroy.call(this)).
> +}
> +window_size_widget.prototype.__proto__ = text_widget.prototype;
> +window_size_widget.prototype.update = function() {
> +  var topwin = this.window;
> +  w = topwin.innerWidth;
> +  h = topwin.innerHeight;
> +  this.view.text = "[" + w + "x" + h + "]";
> +};

Note that this will show the width and height of the top window itself,
as opposed to the width and height of the area filled by the webpage.
Is that intentional?  (If so, what is the reason for wanting the width
and height of the top window?)
> +
>  function current_buffer_scroll_position_widget(window) {
>      this.name = "current-buffer-scroll-position-widget";
>      text_widget.call(this, window);
> @@ -197,8 +211,10 @@ function mode_line_adder(widget_constructor) {
>      return function (window) { window.mode_line.add_text_widget(new
> widget_constructor(window)); }
>  }

> +add_hook("mode_line_hook", mode_line_adder(window_size_widget));

It is not clear that this widget should be enabled by default.  It
probably makes more sense to document it somewhere, e.g. the wiki, but
not make it the default.  Anyone who wants it can just add that line
into his own rc file.

>  add_hook("mode_line_hook", mode_line_adder(current_buffer_name_widget));
>  add_hook("mode_line_hook", mode_line_adder(clock_widget));
>  add_hook("mode_line_hook",
> mode_line_adder(current_buffer_scroll_position_widget));

> +
>  mode_line_mode(true);

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

From dowaitodesu at gmail.com  Fri Jun 20 09:30:11 2008
From: dowaitodesu at gmail.com (Dwight McDowell)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:30:11 -0600
Subject: [Conkeror] [PATCH 1/2] Added a modeline widget which displays
	current window width and height.
In-Reply-To: <873an8p40q.fsf@jeremyms.com>
References: <412b9e830806191352h6e920aa0p155ddf77067d105f@mail.gmail.com>
	<873an8p40q.fsf@jeremyms.com>
Message-ID: <412b9e830806200930y7ef38580s3f7f25c47990e347@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <jeremy at jeremyms.com>
wrote:

> I don't think these are the correct hooks to be adding for this widget.
> Neither of these events should indicate a change in the window size.
> Instead, you probably should add an event listener to the window for the
> "resize" event, and remember to remove the handler in the destroy method
> (and also call the "superclass" destroy method via
> this.__proto__.__proto__.destroy.call(this)).


You are absolutely right. I will fix all of that before I resubmit.


> Note that this will show the width and height of the top window itself,
> as opposed to the width and height of the area filled by the webpage.
> Is that intentional?  (If so, what is the reason for wanting the width
> and height of the top window?)
>

It is the way I need it (I need to know what a site will look like at a
certain resolution with chrome); however, it would be trivial to create both
types of widget so I will. :)

It is not clear that this widget should be enabled by default.  It
> probably makes more sense to document it somewhere, e.g. the wiki, but
> not make it the default.  Anyone who wants it can just add that line
> into his own rc file.
>

I will change that as well.

I love conkeror, and it is a genuine privilege to be able to submit my
humble changes.
Thanks for your patience and advice. I will rewrite the mode line widgets
and resubmit the patch.

-DM
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From jeremy at jeremyms.com  Fri Jun 20 09:37:12 2008
From: jeremy at jeremyms.com (Jeremy Maitin-Shepard)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:37:12 -0400
Subject: [Conkeror] [PATCH 1/2] Added a modeline widget which displays
	current window width and height.
In-Reply-To: <412b9e830806200930y7ef38580s3f7f25c47990e347@mail.gmail.com>
	(Dwight McDowell's message of "Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:30:11 -0600")
References: <412b9e830806191352h6e920aa0p155ddf77067d105f@mail.gmail.com>
	<873an8p40q.fsf@jeremyms.com>
	<412b9e830806200930y7ef38580s3f7f25c47990e347@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87wskknjuv.fsf@jeremyms.com>

"Dwight McDowell" <dowaitodesu at gmail.com> writes:

> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <jeremy at jeremyms.com>
> wrote:

>> I don't think these are the correct hooks to be adding for this widget.
>> Neither of these events should indicate a change in the window size.
>> Instead, you probably should add an event listener to the window for the
>> "resize" event, and remember to remove the handler in the destroy method
>> (and also call the "superclass" destroy method via
>> this.__proto__.__proto__.destroy.call(this)).


> You are absolutely right. I will fix all of that before I resubmit.

Okay, great.  As a note: In order to be able to call
removeEventListener, you will need to keep track of the function that
you pass to addEventListener, possibly by storing it as a member
variable of the widget object.

>> Note that this will show the width and height of the top window itself,
>> as opposed to the width and height of the area filled by the webpage.
>> Is that intentional?  (If so, what is the reason for wanting the width
>> and height of the top window?)
>> 

> It is the way I need it (I need to know what a site will look like at a
> certain resolution with chrome); however, it would be trivial to create both
> types of widget so I will. :)

I imagined that might be the reason, but keep in mind that Conkeror's
"chrome" is not, in general, going to be the same size as the typical web browser
(e.g. Firefox); in particular, I imagine Conkeror tends to have much
more minimal "chrome".

> It is not clear that this widget should be enabled by default.  It
>> probably makes more sense to document it somewhere, e.g. the wiki, but
>> not make it the default.  Anyone who wants it can just add that line
>> into his own rc file.
>> 

> I will change that as well.

> I love conkeror, and it is a genuine privilege to be able to submit my
> humble changes.
> Thanks for your patience and advice. I will rewrite the mode line widgets
> and resubmit the patch.

Thank you for your contribution.

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

From ron at ronmitchell.co.uk  Fri Jun 20 10:22:24 2008
From: ron at ronmitchell.co.uk (Ron Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:22:24 +0100
Subject: [Conkeror] High CPU
In-Reply-To: <87zlpkh8pa.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org>
References: <1213111342.28989.1257715131@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<484F3648.8090401@microcomaustralia.com.au>
	<1213615930.21929.1258670633@webmail.messagingengine.com>
	<87zlpkh8pa.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org>
Message-ID: <1213982544.20563.1259541413@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Milan,

Thanks for that idea!  Have downloaded the latest xulrunner build for
Windows (xulrunner-1.9.0.1pre.en-US.win32.zip) and it seems to have
cured the problem.

Regards,

Ron


----- Original message -----
From: "Milan Zamazal" <pdm at zamazal.org>
To: conkeror at mozdev.org
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:33:21 +0200
Subject: Re: [Conkeror] High CPU

I used to have similar problems, but they've disappeared with newer
versions of xulrunner I think.  I use xulrunner 1.9rc1 from
Debian/experimental now and there are no problems with high CPU usage.
But your case may be different.

Regards,

Milan Zamazal

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From brian at microcomaustralia.com.au  Sat Jun 21 19:45:19 2008
From: brian at microcomaustralia.com.au (Brian May)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:45:19 +1000
Subject: [Conkeror] maps.google.com
Message-ID: <485DBCBF.6020804@microcomaustralia.com.au>

Hello,

If I look at this on Firefox, there is a little arrow that allows me to 
shrink the left frame containing search results, and have the map fill 
the entire screen.

In Conkeror this doesn't appear; this results in a lot of wasted screen 
estate as the left column can be so big.

Why is this? Are there any work arounds?

Later: Hmm. It is possible the arrow is still there, but underneath the 
map, so it can't be seen. If I push f I can see highlighting from this 
area, but I can't see the number of the link.

Thanks.

Brian May

From abe at deuxchevaux.org  Sun Jun 22 19:20:37 2008
From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:20:37 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] maps.google.com
In-Reply-To: <485DBCBF.6020804@microcomaustralia.com.au>
References: <485DBCBF.6020804@microcomaustralia.com.au>
Message-ID: <20080623022037.GS3346@sym.noone.org>

Hi,

On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 12:45:19PM +1000, Brian May wrote:
> If I look at this on Firefox, there is a little arrow that allows me to 
> shrink the left frame containing search results, and have the map fill 
> the entire screen.
> 
> In Conkeror this doesn't appear; this results in a lot of wasted screen 
> estate as the left column can be so big.

Ack. Noticed this also with other browsers, e.g. with Opera.

> Why is this? Are there any work arounds?

I expected browser optimization on Google's side. But after your mail,
I'm no more sure about this.

> Later: Hmm. It is possible the arrow is still there, but underneath the 
> map, so it can't be seen. If I push f I can see highlighting from this 
> area, but I can't see the number of the link.

I see it, or at least I guess it's the appropriate number: It's on the
top left corner of the map (in my case a 29).

		Regards, Axel
-- 
Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/

From brian at microcomaustralia.com.au  Mon Jun 23 01:31:08 2008
From: brian at microcomaustralia.com.au (Brian May)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:31:08 +1000
Subject: [Conkeror] maps.google.com
In-Reply-To: <20080623022037.GS3346@sym.noone.org>
References: <485DBCBF.6020804@microcomaustralia.com.au>
	<20080623022037.GS3346@sym.noone.org>
Message-ID: <485F5F4C.5000303@microcomaustralia.com.au>

Axel Beckert wrote:
> I see it, or at least I guess it's the appropriate number: It's on the
> top left corner of the map (in my case a 29).
>   
Seems to be 29 here too. Only f29 does nothing :-(

Brian May

From abe at deuxchevaux.org  Mon Jun 23 02:06:32 2008
From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:06:32 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] maps.google.com
In-Reply-To: <485F5F4C.5000303@microcomaustralia.com.au>
References: <485DBCBF.6020804@microcomaustralia.com.au>
	<20080623022037.GS3346@sym.noone.org>
	<485F5F4C.5000303@microcomaustralia.com.au>
Message-ID: <20080623090631.GT3346@sym.noone.org>

Hi,

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 06:31:08PM +1000, Brian May wrote:
> > I see it, or at least I guess it's the appropriate number: It's on
> > the top left corner of the map (in my case a 29).
>  
> Seems to be 29 here too. Only f29 does nothing :-(

Ack. Does nothing here, either. Sorry, forgot to mention that.

		Regards, Axel
-- 
Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/

From levy at msri.org  Mon Jun 23 09:31:06 2008
From: levy at msri.org (Silvio Levy)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:31:06 -0700
Subject: [Conkeror] how to take advantage of form completion?
Message-ID: <20080623163106.7C67038DCE@ub.msri.org>


I can't figure out what key(s) to use in order to select an entry when
conkeror offers completions as I'm typing in a form.  Seems a pity to
have to use the mouse for that.

Thanks,

Silvio



From abe at deuxchevaux.org  Sat Jun 28 05:58:41 2008
From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:58:41 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] conkeror packages for Debian are in the NEW queue
Message-ID: <20080628125841.GV3346@sym.noone.org>

Hi,

finally, after lot of fine-tuning, conkeror packages for Debian are in
Debian's NEW queue[1] and should hit Debian Unstable during the next
days (or weeks ;-). The packages are already downloadable at [2]
(sorry, no APT repository yet) for all architectures since conkeror is
architecture-independent. The exception is spawn-process-helper. I've
built conkeror-spawn-process-helper packages for i386, amd64, alpha,
sparc, powerpc(*), kfreebsd-i386 and kfreebsd-amd64(*) since those are
the architectures I have machines available with. :-)

The packages work fine on Debian Unstable and on Debian Testing if
xulrunner-1.9 from Unstable is installed (since it's currently not in
Testing yet). There are no packages for Debian Stable though since I
didn't manage to get Debian's xulrunner-1.9 package backported to
Debian Stable.

They also include an updated man page, mostly because of correct
glyphs for cut-and-pasting unicode characters, but also some content
changes. See the always most current man page[3] in my mercurial
repository. (URL will change in the future when I move from hg to git,
but I will send a notice to this list when the move happened.)

Links and footnotes:

  [1] http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
  [2] http://noone.org/debian/
  [3] http://noone.org/hg/conkeror/debian/file/tip/conkeror.1

  (*) Thanks to G?rkan Seng?n for access to machines with these
      architectures.

		Regards, Axel
-- 
Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/

From abe at deuxchevaux.org  Sat Jun 28 06:05:01 2008
From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:05:01 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] conkeror packages for Debian are in the NEW queue
In-Reply-To: <20080628125841.GV3346@sym.noone.org>
References: <20080628125841.GV3346@sym.noone.org>
Message-ID: <20080628130501.GW3346@sym.noone.org>

On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 02:58:41PM +0200, Axel Beckert wrote:
>   (*) Thanks to G?rkan Seng?n for access to machines with these
>       architectures.

Oh, I forgot: And big thanks to Luca Capello for sponsoring and
testing my conkeror packages. :-)

		Regards, Axel
-- 
Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/

From abe at deuxchevaux.org  Sun Jun 29 09:15:38 2008
From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:15:38 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] A few issues with spawning external editors
Message-ID: <20080629161538.GY3346@sym.noone.org>

Hi,

played around with this feature a little bit more and found a few
issues:

a) conkeror doesn't seem to inform the user if spawning the external
   editor fails. I had a case of a machine where emacs segfaults (for
   whatever reason) and the only thing I noticed was that the input
   field became editable again (no more greyed out).

   Same counts if the configured editor is not found, e.g. if $EDITOR
   is not set and emacs is not installed or $EDITOR is set wrongly.

   IMHO conkeror should at least post an error message to the status
   bar in such a case (e.g. "$EDITOR failed to start: $error_message
   (return code $?)").

b) spawing external editors doesn't work right if the configured
   editor needs a terminal (i.e. doesn't open its own window). In my
   example I have $EDITOR set to zile (Zile Is a Lossy Emacs :-), a
   small, fast and efficient editor with Emacs look and feel.

   In that case the spawned editor seems to be half connected to the
   terminal conkeror has been called in (if any), but doesn't come up
   there completely. My zsh argues that conkeror suddenly expects tty
   input, so something happened on that terminal, but the editor
   doesn't show up though and the field stays disabled (greyed out).

   What could make the situation slightly better is the following
   patch which first checks the $VISUAL environment variable before
   checking $EDITOR or falling back to emacs because $VISUAL is
   usually only set to editors with GUI while $EDITOR can be set to
   some text-mode only editor.

   Unfortunately I have no idea how to test if some editor needs a
   terminal, but if we can manage to get a spawned text-mode editor
   can connect to the terminal conkeror was called from (if any), this
   would a big step towards the perfect solution for this issue. :-)

   Here's the mentioned patch:

diff -ur conkeror.orig/modules/external-editor.js conkeror/modules/external-editor.js
--- conkeror.orig/modules/external-editor.js    2008-04-20 01:30:08.000000000 +0200
+++ conkeror/modules/external-editor.js 2008-06-29 18:05:52.000000000 +0200
@@ -5,10 +5,10 @@
  * COPYING file.
 **/
 
-define_variable("editor_shell_command", getenv("EDITOR") || "emacs",
+define_variable("editor_shell_command", getenv("VISUAL") || getenv("EDITOR") || "emacs",
                      "Shell command used to invoke an external editor.\n" +
-                     "This defaults to the value of the EDITOR environment variable.  If " +
-                     "`run_external_editor_function' is non-null, it is used instead to " +
+                     "This defaults to the value of the VISUAL and EDITOR environment variables.  " +
+                     "If `run_external_editor_function' is non-null, it is used instead to " +
                      "invoke an external editor and the value of this variable is ignored." +
                      "It is used as part of a shell command in the following two ways:\n" +
                      "<editor_shell_command> <file>\n" +
                    
    Even better would be to check if those files exist and if not try
    the next one. Debian has a shell script called sensible-editor for
    this. Will use that for the next version of the Debian package of
    conkeror.

Everything mentioned here has been tested with the latest version in
the repository (commit 6944096a1af033d0aa70d8b4cc19b271e0d832b1 from
IIRC 14th of June 2008).

		Regards, Axel
-- 
Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/

From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Sun Jun 29 12:37:38 2008
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (A.W.)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:37:38 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] What do I have set wrong...
Message-ID: <613b861a0806291237q5fac24c5nbbb3a19997d640ff@mail.gmail.com>

I want external editor to spawn emacsclient as opposed to another
emacs session, and emacsclient is my default editor.
What variable do I have to set again? I can't seem to remember...

From abe at deuxchevaux.org  Sun Jun 29 12:43:22 2008
From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:43:22 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] What do I have set wrong...
In-Reply-To: <613b861a0806291237q5fac24c5nbbb3a19997d640ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <613b861a0806291237q5fac24c5nbbb3a19997d640ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080629194322.GB3346@sym.noone.org>

On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 02:37:38PM -0500, A.W. wrote:
> I want external editor to spawn emacsclient as opposed to another
> emacs session, and emacsclient is my default editor.
> What variable do I have to set again? I can't seem to remember...

export EDITOR=emacsclient

		Regards, Axel
-- 
Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/

From gzeusmants at gmail.com  Mon Jun 30 03:45:36 2008
From: gzeusmants at gmail.com (A.W.)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 05:45:36 -0500
Subject: [Conkeror] best process to switch from git to debian version?
Message-ID: <613b861a0806300345r1593aa8fq177e04f6af0f2497@mail.gmail.com>

I'd previously been using git versions, and have been using the
install.sh script.
Would it be wise/needed to rm -R /usr/lib/conkeror and the symlinks?
Would the debian package's files overwrite the old ones?

From abe at deuxchevaux.org  Mon Jun 30 04:08:14 2008
From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:08:14 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] best process to switch from git to debian version?
In-Reply-To: <613b861a0806300345r1593aa8fq177e04f6af0f2497@mail.gmail.com>
References: <613b861a0806300345r1593aa8fq177e04f6af0f2497@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080630110814.GN3346@sym.noone.org>

Hi,

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 05:45:36AM -0500, A.W. wrote:
> I'd previously been using git versions, and have been using the
> install.sh script.
> Would it be wise/needed to rm -R /usr/lib/conkeror and the symlinks?

Hmmm, I would have expected that none-Debian software is installed in
either /usr/local or /opt, not in /usr, so I never thought about that.

Probably the best to clean up the old installation.

Although it should not interfere that much since Debian only installs
spawn-process-helper to the architecture dependent directory
/usr/lib/conkeror/ -- everything else goes to the architecture
independent /usr/share/conkeror/.

> Would the debian package's files overwrite the old ones?

Those which exist at the same path perhaps, but I'm not sure. Never
knowingly tested that. :-)

		Regards, Axel
-- 
Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/

From avarab at gmail.com  Mon Jun 30 10:20:46 2008
From: avarab at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=C3=86var_Arnfj=C3=B6r=C3=B0_Bjarmason?=)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:20:46 +0000
Subject: [Conkeror] conkeror packages for Debian are in the NEW queue
In-Reply-To: <20080628125841.GV3346@sym.noone.org>
References: <20080628125841.GV3346@sym.noone.org>
Message-ID: <51dd1af80806301020r342da7d8i978ee372ac836ce0@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Axel Beckert <abe at deuxchevaux.org> wrote:
> (sorry, no APT repository yet) for all architectures since conkeror is
> architecture-independent. The exception is spawn-process-helper. I've
> built conkeror-spawn-process-helper packages for i386, amd64, alpha,
> sparc, powerpc(*), kfreebsd-i386 and kfreebsd-amd64(*) since those are
> the architectures I have machines available with. :-)

Would it help if someone wrote a perl version of spawn-process-helper?
Then conkeror would work on all debian archs xulrunner supports.

Maybe I'll do what I did last time nobody pursued my proposed pet
project and implement it myself:)

From abe at deuxchevaux.org  Mon Jun 30 15:08:07 2008
From: abe at deuxchevaux.org (Axel Beckert)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:08:07 +0200
Subject: [Conkeror] conkeror packages for Debian are in the NEW queue
In-Reply-To: <51dd1af80806301020r342da7d8i978ee372ac836ce0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080628125841.GV3346@sym.noone.org>
	<51dd1af80806301020r342da7d8i978ee372ac836ce0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080630220806.GR3346@sym.noone.org>

Hi,

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 05:20:46PM +0000, ?var Arnfj?r? Bjarmason wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Axel Beckert <abe at deuxchevaux.org> wrote:
> > (sorry, no APT repository yet) for all architectures since conkeror is
> > architecture-independent. The exception is spawn-process-helper. I've
> > built conkeror-spawn-process-helper packages for i386, amd64, alpha,
> > sparc, powerpc(*), kfreebsd-i386 and kfreebsd-amd64(*) since those are
> > the architectures I have machines available with. :-)
> 
> Would it help if someone wrote a perl version of spawn-process-helper?

Not really IMHO. As soon as the package is in Debian it will be build
on all architectures by the build daemons. The list above is just what
I can personally provide in advance to the official inclusion in
Debian. (And yeah, I like non-usual architectures. ;-)

> Then conkeror would work on all debian archs xulrunner supports.

It will do anyway. :-)

> Maybe I'll do what I did last time nobody pursued my proposed pet
> project and implement it myself:)

There are few more things pro and con a Perl version of
spawn-process-helper:

+ It would simplify the packaging.

- It would add more dependencies. And although there's nearly no
  Debian installation without Perl, I try to avoid dependencies on
  additional scripting languages if I can.

+ I could debug and fix it more easier if it would be written in Perl
  instead of C since I'm way more experienced in coding (and
  debugging) Perl scripts. :-)

- It would be slower and needs more memory. Not sure how much this
  would be noticable.

- AFAIK spawn-process-helper is a work around for some deficiency of
  xulrunner -- which I expect to be fixed somewhen in the future. (I'm
  an optimist. ;-)

Short said: I'm fine with the current situation, but if someone find's
some really good arguments for a Perl version, why not? :-)

		Regards, Axel
-- 
Axel Beckert - abe at deuxchevaux.org, abe at noone.org - http://noone.org/abe/

From trentbuck at gmail.com  Mon Jun 30 18:00:49 2008
From: trentbuck at gmail.com (Trent W. Buck)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 11:00:49 +1000
Subject: [Conkeror] A few issues with spawning external editors
References: <20080629161538.GY3346@sym.noone.org>
Message-ID: <30iqvq8lku.fsf@Clio.twb.ath.cx>

Axel Beckert <abe at deuxchevaux.org> writes:
> b) spawing external editors doesn't work right if the configured
> editor needs a terminal (i.e. doesn't open its own window). In my
> example I have $EDITOR set to zile (Zile Is a Lossy Emacs :-), a
> small, fast and efficient editor with Emacs look and feel.

It's not possible for conkeror to accurately determine whether $EDITOR
requires a controlling xterm (consider: $EDITOR may be a wrapper script
that heuristically decides which "real" editor to run).

If you always start an xterm, then you'll get a useless xterm when
EDITOR in cases like emacsclient -c or gedit.  Therefore it seems best
for conkeror to assume that $EDITOR allocates its own terminal if
necessary.

However, conkeror should probably connect stdin to /dev/null, so that
when line editors (ed) and ncurses editors (zile et al) immediately
exit, rather than "hanging".  conkeror might also redirect stdout and
stderr to a buffer (rather than conkeror's parent xterm), so that if
$EDITOR exits unsuccessfully, conkeror can display the error message.

These issues should only affect people who start conkeror (or X) from a
terminal; if you use e.g. gdm to start X and ratpoison's C-t ! to start
conkeror, then stdin should already be /dev/null.

>    In that case the spawned editor seems to be half connected to the
>    terminal conkeror has been called in (if any), but doesn't come up
>    there completely. My zsh argues that conkeror suddenly expects tty
>    input, so something happened on that terminal, but the editor
>    doesn't show up though and the field stays disabled (greyed out).

See above regarding stdin being /dev/null.

>    What could make the situation slightly better is the following
>    patch which first checks the $VISUAL environment variable before
>    checking $EDITOR or falling back to emacs because $VISUAL is
>    usually only set to editors with GUI while $EDITOR can be set to
>    some text-mode only editor.

This should be done in your Debian package even if upstream doesn't; you
should also patch the Debian version to fall back to sensible-editor
rather than (say) vi or emacs.

>    Unfortunately I have no idea how to test if some editor needs a
>    terminal, but if we can manage to get a spawned text-mode editor
>    can connect to the terminal conkeror was called from (if any), this
>    would a big step towards the perfect solution for this issue. :-)

You can't be sure that conkeror was started from a terminal.  I
generally think trying to start an editor there is the wrong way to go
about things, but if you make it work I'm still interested in the
details :-)